What the Neighbors Saw

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cool case homicides that I'd ever been in part of. How did this case begin for you? So on December 3rd of 2017, the Sheriff's Department received a nine-wood-one call from a homeowner reporting that their family dog

brought back a human skull. - It came back with a human skull. - Yes. And it had an obvious gunshot wound to the back of the head.

We kind of organized a grid search

and within minutes located the clandestine grave. Right off from this area. So Peter, this is the area right up here.

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It's a little thick. If you see this little indenture in the soil right here, that's where the skeletal remains were found. We had a very circumstantial case. We literally have human bones, human remains

with a gunshot wound to the head. And at that point, is this a murder? Is this a suicide? We have a model of a human skull. Can you show us where that wound was? It's pretty much towards the back rear of the skull.

When you look at these scattered bones, are they telling you a story? Yes, it tells me that it's most likely the story of murder. We were reviewing missing persons cases throughout the Midwest, but nothing was definitive to who this victim was.

When the cases come to the DNA dough project, everything's already been exhausted. Genetic genealogy is the last resort. So we use the DNA to look at the matches. And we can build family trees that way and figure out

the identities of people. In this case, that person is Gary Albert Herbst. The victim Gary was from Scott County, Minnesota. We located the home where Gary had last lived. Some of the neighbors who still lived in the neighborhood

had reported some remembering some activity back in 2013 that they found suspicious. It's pouring down rain. It's probably 1130 at night, pitch black dark. Something catches your eye across at the Herbst's house.

Chad, what do you see? I see the neighbors scrubbing the floors. I see them scrubbing the walls. We saw them bringing out black garbage bags. They eventually brought out a rolled up carpet.

I didn't know what I was looking at. I had no idea. And I turned a Chad and I was like, "What is going on?" And Chad looked at me and he said,

“"Kaya, I think they finally killed him."”

It was in June of 2020. When Linda Dane learned the disturbing circumstances of how her long, lost brother Gary's skull had been found by a dog in rural Baron County, Wisconsin. It was in June of 2020.

When Linda Dane learned the disturbing circumstances of how her long, lost brother Gary's skull had been found by a dog in rural Baron County, Wisconsin. Yeah, it's kind of a eerie type thing to think of, but it's still led to finding out what happened, the truth.

Linda says Gary, who was 57 when he went missing, was a loner with a difficult personality who rarely saw his own extended family,

are from his younger years,

seen here with his wife Connie. He could be stubborn, he could be crabby. It had been years since Linda and Gary had spoken. And in 2013, she learned from Connie that he had vanished, walking out on her and their son Austin,

seen here as a teenager. What did you think of that? I was shocked, I didn't know what to think. Linda says she found its strange that Connie had not reported his disappearance to police.

“And it's like, "Okay, did you file a missing person's report?”

Did you report it? Did you do anything?" And they did nothing. What was her reason for not reporting that her husband was missing? She didn't give us a reason.

At Linda and her family's urging, Connie filed this missing person's report with the L.O. New Market Police Department in Minnesota where the herbs lived. In the report, Connie said Gary grabbed a suitcase

and left in an older gray Honda vehicle. But she claimed she did not get a look at who was driving. Six years would pass before an investigative genetic genealogist.

Robin Espenson would be able to construct a family tree that led to identifying the skull. We knew that we had found the identity of our dough as Gary Albert Herbst. Gary Herbst was originally born

in North Central Wisconsin. We located family members of his in Salt Central Minnesota. That's when Detective Jeff Nelson from the Baron County Sheriff's Office tracked down Austin and Connie

at the retirement community where they both worked.

“I think it was a little bit of a surprise to them”

because we actually found out that both Connie Herbst and herbst and Austin worked at a nursing home. We basically walked in unannounced and met with both Connie in Austin when you told Connie that you had found her missing husband likely had found him.

Was she excited about the news or was she still like about it? Both of them were very stork.

Never even commented well at least we know

what's him. It's like they just glassed over it. Brent Peterson, a special agent with the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, joined Jeff Nelson to interview Connie.

She was not uncooperative. She was just trying to be helpful. At least that was the appearance. Did you get into the issue about why she didn't report her husband as being missing?

Yeah, that was a red flag from the beginning. Here's Connie's answer about why she didn't report it. Although she left on his own, I said I didn't think I had to. Connie told investigators she wasn't surprised Gary walked out on them because he had a troubled lifestyle.

She described Gary as a drug user. He would use drugs and spend all their money. He just was described to us as just being a generally kind of a volatile, angry, unpleasant person. How was he with Austin?

I've been told the age of 10 great, but at the age of 10 when Gary had started as yelling and screaming at me, Austin would step in between. Okay. Don't you yell at my mom.

“Do you relate to him in the 30 plus years as a married?”

Once or twice. Yeah. One time he hit me pretty hard, but I think that was my shoulder. Now the time he actually hit me, he pushed me out of both my toes. In his interview, Austin told investigators his father had become

enraged the day he left. And later learned he had stolen $5,000 in cash and his mother's wedding ring. I heard him banging around in the master bedroom. I'm like, okay, what's going on?

Loved in, he was back in the suitcase. He's like, I'm leaving. And yeah, he got in some guy pulled up picked him up. Connie told investigators she was at the library that day and remembered getting a frantic call from her son.

She was dead last, dead last. He got in the vehicle with somebody. Investigators soon realized that Connie may have lied to them. Why? Because in her missing person's report,

Connie had said she was home when Gary walked out. We're suspicious of their stories right away. So there's a lot of things. This didn't match up. Connie added to investigators' suspicions

when she gave yet another new detail. The 40-tail of the down this gun. That was mine.

Connie had never mentioned Gary had stolen her gun

when she first reported him missing. So there's a lot of oddities that she's telling.

I wouldn't say incriminating,

“but I strongly felt she had sort of a knowledge of his murder.”

I figured she had some form of involvement. So investigators re-doubled their efforts to try to learn more. So there's a lot of working pieces going on. Several months passed before investigators were ready to interview Connie in Austin a second time.

This time they dug deeper into Connie's claims of abuse. So, you know, you're my doctor of some of these issues in the family. How are you very protective of her? You know, I understand that. I'm ready with more of the fact that I hated when he was sit there and yell at her

and would upset her. And the more investigators questioned Austin, the more he began to blame his father for his own demise. Yeah, he was an angry guy and stuff,

but I never reached right there to get to the point where someone would want to tell him.

Directing attention toward a mysterious man with tattoos. He says his father drove away with. Do you remember a guy with a black shirt tattoo? That's about it. This is far as I can get him.

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Start your free trial at Shopify.com/AU. [Music] Gary Herbs went missing in 2013. A dog found his skull in 2017. And by June of 2020, investigators suspected his own family,

his wife Connie, and son Austin Herbs, were somehow involved in Gary's disappearance and murder. There's some follow-up questions and information we need to gather to prepare a piece of this together.

And during their second interview, they consented to a polygraph.

The investigators from Wisconsin had arranged with the FBI. They both agreed to take polygraphs.

“Line detector tests are generally not admissible in court,”

but investigators will use them as a tool to judge and individual's credibility. What were the results? Connie did not show any signs of deception, but Austin did. An investigator from the FBI confronted Austin. So, I'm very convinced that you clearly know what happened.

I don't even know what happened. You can't walk away if you're saying you don't know anything, because you clearly know something. Whatever it is you've had to tell me. I suspected that the guy in the truck wasn't exactly found out just the look I got from him. He was not sketching.

Either you're involved with your mom and killing your father, or you're involved with someone else and killing your father. I'm not involved with it. I'm just going to tell you the same amount. I'm involved with that just pretty obvious world. Detectives say Austin continued to draw the investigator's attention.

Toward the man with tattoos, he says picked up his father that day. Tell me where described what you're talking about when you talk about the look of him. Towns came over with a blank asher that was over. It doesn't make sense.

The first interview he recalls his dad getting into a vehicle and leaving.

Then that changed to, he remembered some heavily tattooed man that looked in his words to be some sort of criminal that was the driver of a vehicle that his dad got into. So the story changed and morphed each time you talked with him. Investigators suspected Austin's story was pure fiction. I just find way too many inconsistencies in your story.

I mean, with your story, with your mom's story. And did you feel that story was rehearsed? Certainly. That he was trying to recall a script. Script.

But a feeling isn't evidence. An investigators had no choice but to let Connie and Austin go. Next, they headed to the family's old neighborhood and former home. Ironically, to a tea, all the neighbors remembered Gary very well.

We repeatedly heard the term "the biggest" that's real ever made.

“If he was mad at a neighbor, apparently he had a pipe organ.”

And he would set up big speakers in the windows, and he would blast pipe organ music into the neighbor's house. In the wintertime, when he would get mad at a neighbor, he would take a snowboard over. And purposefully, below one, filled people's gardens up in the middle of the night. With snow. With snow.

He was just a evil person. The neighbor's Kaya and Chad Krammel's house was right behind the Herbs house. They say Gary often yelled at their two daughters and was caught secretly recording them on video.

I looked in their back window, you could see the red light from the camera on.

And I walked out there and I could see the camera and Gary behind the camera. He was a video camera, like a camera, like a camcorder. And he was just staring at me blatantly, like on purpose, wanting to, you know, almost show me up and be like, "Yeah, I'm recording."

“And I sat there and I was raised in my head, like, "Are you kidding me?"”

Chad filed an incident report with police. It sounds like this has a psychological component to it, like he was messing with your mind. Absolutely. I feel like he wanted power, and he wanted everyone to know that he had that power. He most definitely tried to exercise that power by messing with people, neighbors.

Another neighbor, Jason Grimm, says he experienced that first hand when Gary complained about the time he was snow blowing. He came out and started screaming and shouting at me, telling me I was going to go into flood his basement. Did you feel like he was a little dangerous?

I never feared him, just, surely because it was all bark, no bite.

Did you feel he was a dangerous man? Absolutely. And did you, the same way? Absolutely. And when investigators interviewed D. Hamlin, the new owner of the house where Gary and his family lived,

they learned something that would confirm their suspicions about Connie and Austin. Over in this area right here, before the closets were put in, somewhere over here, there was a big red stain. Go behind the scenes of one of TV's most watched true crime series with the 48 hours post-mortem podcast. Follow and listen to 48 hours wherever you get your podcast.

When investigators canvess Gary Herb's old neighborhood, they uncovered a trove of new clues from the time around his disappearance. People didn't like him or afraid because he was very confrontational. Neighbors Chad and Kaya Krammel recalled a store. Thunder, lightning, everything.

It was crazy. And unusual activity in Gary's backyard. It was maybe midnight-ish and we looked out the window. I see a truck backed in the backyard. The truck was pulled right up to the sliding glass door,

which we knew was super strange because Gary was very particular with his yard. He did not like anything out of order. Chad and Kaya told investigators they remembered seeing Austin and Connie scrubbing the floors in the middle of the night. You could see directly from those windows into their house.

Absolutely. And loading large garbage bags into Gary's truck. They were also carrying out a carpet or some sort of rug and also throwing it in the back of the truck. So we were watching the scene and I turned to Chad and I was like, "What is going on?"

“And Chad looked at me and he said, "Kaya, I think they finally killed him."”

And did the two of you ever think we should share what we've witnessed with the police? Absolutely not. No, in Maris' house. He was horrible. And soon after that night they say Connie and Austin seemed completely different.

It was good. It was fun to see them actually happy. A few weeks later their neighbors saw them setting up a yard sale. So everybody started filtering over there, myself included.

And what was for sale?

Men's clothing, men's shoes.

There were tools, ammo boxes. Now did you ask her, where's Gary? Yes, and the answer was that he didn't want to be married anymore. And he left. Jason says he scored a bargain.

I did. Butterriding law and tractor. Neighbors say Austin and Connie began happily walking the neighborhood, offering up baked cookies.

“And do you think his disappearance in some ways liberated their lives?”

Absolutely. Their steps were later. It was nice not to have him around.

All of a sudden, Connie and Austin, he would be out in the yard.

Stopping and greeting people were none of that happened prior to the day that Gary allegedly left. The next break in the case came when investigators obtained a search warrant for the former Herbst house and notified the new owner. Dear Hamlin, that they would be bringing in a cadaver dog along with her handler,

police officer Dan Moldenhau. To see if she could detect the scent of human remains. So this officer said there may have been someone killed inside the house and they wanted a dog to come in to see if they picked up any folder. Exactly.

I go absolutely.

“When you got that call and you brought radar out here, this is the very house you came to, correct?”

Correct. Radar is the cadaver dog who searched these house. She came back to the scene along with her handler to show us what she did that day. What radar wants to get inside, I'll tell you.

Yep. And I follow her. I was present when the dog originally came in. I was there for the person if around. Hamlin says something in the garage caught radars attention.

Radar concentrated heavily against this wall. And on the brick behind the drywall pieces and the boxes. Later, find it. Radar's search continued inside the house. Radar would run from space to space in room to room and almost like he had a pattern.

And then we went downstairs and that's where he slowed down. According to Radar's handler, the dog detected the odor of human remains around that red stain he had seen. She went straight to this room and ignored everything else. Came back.

Went along the wall and then came to the corner where that closet door is. That wasn't the only area that Radar was interested in. She had a lot of odor here. I mean, she checked all the walls before she came back and sat. So there was definitely a presence of some sort of material.

Crime scene investigators tested the spots with luminal, which indicated the presence of blood in the areas where the cadaver dog alerted.

“When you have the luminal literally lighting up, what is it suggesting to you?”

Well, it's certainly consistent in corroborates what the neighbor saw. We believe Gary was most likely murdered inside that particular house.

That's when they called Connie and Austin in for a third interview.

So we went to your house on the way to which. And just had a look trying to piece together. Gary's kind of last movements. And there was some blood. Okay.

Connie said Gary, who was a machinist, often worked on projects and sometimes accidentally cut himself. Usually his sisters, this blood that we're finding is a bit more significant than just a little cut. No, that wouldn't know. Investigators also questioned Connie about what the neighbors reported seeing. Some witnesses saw what they thought was a rolled up rug being loaded in the back of the pickup.

No, no. No, they didn't have any carpet. Just up in the living room. Her body language was, to me, was like she was defeated. Phil Naraki, a captain with the Scott County Sheriff's Office, was also present at the interrogation.

Like, as long as I can continue to deny everything, I'm going to be okay. But she didn't get rattled. Very soft spoken. Did she sense she was in real trouble? Do you think?

Yes. At that point, that all the evidence was starting to gather up against her and Austin. Investigators continued to press Connie. So it sounds like Gary was a little psychologically abusive with you guys.

One time he held me. Yeah, not that I didn't probably deserve it because I got pushed to fire. For Austin's interview, cameras were rolling. As he was grilled by Detective Jeff Nelson.

“He was the husband that you should have been your mother?”

No. Can you step into the innocent things? Can you not? Yeah. Okay.

You became a presenter. Okay. Which I would have to go with culminating in July 2013 when you took action. To protect your mother. Did you pull the trigger?

Didn't look around in the back if I was sent.

But no matter how many times Austin was asked that question, he never answered it.

Once again, Connie and Austin were allowed to leave the police station. That was a strategic plan that we had come up with knowing full well though. If we needed to arrest them, we'd be able to find them later. Now, investigators believed they had enough evidence to bring the case to prosecutors. There was some reluctance.

There was no confession. It's simply a circumstantial case. albeit we felt it was a very good one. And on November 19th, 2020, around 7am, Connie then 62 years old and Austin 26 were taken into custody. I tell Austin that he is under arrest for the murder of his father.

The two would eventually be charged with second degree murder. Connie had already declined the final interview with us and had been taken away to the jail. But this time, Austin was ready to explain everything to investigators. Do you remember where you shot him? Yeah.

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Available now wherever you get your podcasts. Listen to your body and pull the trigger. For more than four hours, Austin Herbs was grilled about his role in his father's murder. What's it going to be, Austin? Was it your job?

Did you give it to Austin? Yes or no? Is that fair to say that you think that you protected her? And you feel that you protected her that day? Yes or no?

Finally, Austin broke. He said something to the effective. I might as well tell you what it did.

“I said, "Austin, that's what we've been asking for."”

On that day, when my home came home, he threw off the handle, swine. Grab the gun down to the phone. Austin would tell investigators all about what happened that day. And now, for the first time, he is sharing his story with 48 hours.

My father Gary Herbs was vindictive.

To an extreme that I have never seen in anybody else.

He was cruel. He was petty. He was violent. Did you reach an age in which you came to fear your father? Or you felt like you were walking on egg shells?

Very early. I'd say by six, seven years old, that fear was present. Austin says the emotional road he traveled that led to killing his own father was filled with acts of violence and abuse beginning when he was a boy. Details he didn't share in earlier interviews with investigators.

He proceeded to put a cigarette on my arm and I screamed and cried and ran. I did something wrong. Picked me up by my throat and threw me down a flight of stairs. Austin says his mother was treated even more brutally. Terribly, unbelievably so.

Physical abuse on a weekly, sometimes daily basis.

Always demeaning, always negative.

Did you ever see a time in which he drew blood from your mother from striking her? Yes.

Peer black and blue the next day. She had blood leaking from her mouth. Psychological abuse, physical abuse. You swear on everything you believe in and you're telling me the truth. Absolutely.

Austin just 19 years old when he murdered his father recalls that tragic day. July 8, 2013. The start of the day seemed very normal to me. Austin remembers playing video games that afternoon when his dad returned home from work. Had he been drinking that day.

Yeah. He drank regularly.

“Around about, I'd say I think it was like two or three o'clock.”

My mom came home. And she and him got into an argument about money. There was yelling. I tried my best to protect her. I am a wall.

I will not let this continue. Austin says his mom went to the public library. My father at this point was laying on the couch half asleep. And as I walked out, I noticed that that scurting was crumpled up. I lifted up the scurting and I saw the firearm.

That's a testicle. Yes.

Austin says his father had never brought a gun into the living room before.

In my heart of hearts, I knew that my mother's life was in danger. And by extension, my own. It all just culminates like, oh my god, he's going to kill her. All these thoughts ran through my head almost instantaneously. And I reached underneath the couch.

I grabbed a gun. I pointed at him and I pulled the trigger. It was surreal almost, right? Like, the bang went off my hearing popped. And it was just immediately, there was almost like a numbness.

I've never asked this question in all my years on 48 hours. What was it like to pick up that pistol? Pointed at your father's head and pull the trigger. It broke me. It changed who I am irrevocably.

I can never be the person I was or even the person I would have become.

Had that never happened.

“But that moment, are you anguished over what you had done?”

Are you horrified? There was a level of relief knowing that I would never again have to have that fear. Having to worry about my mother's life, having to worry about my life. Austin says he called his mother at the library and told her to come home. And how does your mom react to this scene?

Sort of the same way I did. Sort of just stunned. Austin says he placed his father's body, wrapped in a rug in the trunk of their car. They drove into neighboring Wisconsin. What are you and your mom talking about?

We aren't. At that point, the adrenaline is still rushing. It's still fear. About two hours later, Austin and his mom pulled onto a field. Next to a patch of trees.

He says they dumped Gary's body at this spot and then fled. I figured that wildlife would take care of the rest. What do you mean wildlife to care? There are soxes they would devour the body. The bones would be scattered.

Nobody would know. That seems a bit barbaric. Absolutely. I was not in the state of mind that I ever want to revisit. I was at the lowest I'd ever met.

Both in my emotions and in my humanity. We do have information that he was not a pleasant person to be around, but being an unpleasant person does not rise to the level of being a domestic abuser. With no evidence, Austin acted in self-defense.

Prosecutors Mike Gro, and Sarah Wendorf, said Austin and Connie would be charged with second-degree murder.

What Austin described as happening was not an emergency situation. It did not rise to a self-defense offense. Your life while he was sleeping there on the couch was not under imminent threat. You didn't have to shoot him. This wasn't legally self-defense.

This was murder. Correct. And as prosecutors prepared for trial, they questioned whether there was more to Connie's role in garrison's killing than Austin had admitted.

“Do you, at times, wonder to yourself, could Connie have pulled that trigger?”

As prosecutor, of course, I wonder about that. I shot my father because if I hadn't, I would have been dead.

What are the options that his son could have done other than kill garrison?

“You could have grabbed the gun and left the house and told the police what had been going on.”

Prosecutor Mike Gro, all of those things are possible. And very doable, except shooting him in the head, which is the last thing that a civilized person would supposedly do. Once Austin herbs confessed to killing his father, he agreed to plead guilty to second-degree murder. And was what we call a straight plea, which means there was no promises made by the state as to what you would get. Connie herbs pleaded guilty to 18 and a fender accomplice after the fact.

Austin said, yes, I was the one that killed my dad. And then that's when we decided Connie would be charged with the eating and a fender after the fact. Without a trial, prosecutor Sarah Wendorf says there were many unanswered questions about Austin Connie's claims of physical abuse.

We have never seen any information to suggest that there was any abuse that Gary had committed against Austin or his wife.

They never said anything until they were in trouble. And then they told these reasons why they were abused. The prosecutors in this case say, well, there's no real evidence that any of this happened. Of course. And I can't refute that.

I can't refute that there is no evidence that occurred.

Austin told 40 hours, he and his mom had never reported abuse to the police, friends, or extended family members, because they feared for their lives at the hands of Gary.

If I've been told, if you try to have me arrested, if you try to flee, if you try to, you know, go your own way, I will find you and kill you. Another question for prosecutors involves Connie's whereabouts on the day of the murder.

“You said that your mom was at the library at the time that your father was shot, correct?”

Well, prosecutors say investigators were never able to find evidence that that's true that she was there. And they wonder if your mother was the one who killed your father and that you as her protector have told a story where you're taking the responsibility for something that she did. My mom would never allow me to take a fall like that if she had done that. And I need to ask you that question, did your mother, Connie, shoot and kill your father? I'm telling you right now on everything on hold dear.

My mother did not shoot my father. Prosecutors said a potential motive for Gary's murder was hate, illustrated by how Austin left his father's corpse in these woods to be eaten. That is inhumanity. Inhumanity that at the time seemed to have left Austin overjoyed. I experienced more happiness afterwards than I had for my entire 18 years of living with him.

You're having cookies with the neighbors while your father's corpse is eaten by animals. It was a strange dichotomy. It actually brought me a sense of almost shame that my happiness is on the feet of the ultimate act of violence. It still makes me wonder what kind of person I am that that could have happened. At Austin Herb's June 2021 sentencing hearing at the Scott County District Court in Minnesota prosecutors asked that he be sentenced to 30 years in prison. I made it clear to the judge that he deserved the highest sentence because of the callous way that he was killed and the body was treated.

Judge Caroline Lenin said she found Austin's claims believable. In her ruling she said, "I find it credible that you believed that he was going to kill your mom." And later said Austin felt an underlying obligation to protect his mother. He was sentenced to 12 years, 6 months, and will be eligible for release in 2029.

“That's horrendous because if we allow that kind of justice to go, nobody's safe because they'll say that I have been abused. That's why I did this.”

Gary Herb's sister Linda seemed a bit overwhelmed. Twelve and a half. That does not seem very relevant to someone's life. It seems very, very light.

We also recommended for Connie the highest end of the guidelines sentence, which was 57 months.

“That would have been almost five years in prison.”

Yes. But the judge decided Connie would get two years and three months.

Under Minnesota sentencing guidelines, she served just three months behind bars and was released in May of 2022.

I think that he was psychotic. And back in the small town of Elco, New Market, Minnesota, where the murder took place, a few of Gary Herb's former neighbors had hoped Austin and his mother Connie wouldn't do any hard time. For eliminating a man, they considered a monster.

I felt sad because I didn't really want them to be caught.

I don't feel that they're a danger to society. Jason Grimm even had a message for Austin. I hope he's doing well and when he gets out, please look us up. I'd like to help him in any way I can. Really? Yeah.

“Do you feel in a way though? He got a 12 and a half year sentence. Was that too much?”

I think it's a little bit excessive. Hopefully he can pick up the pieces and move on with his life. Do you believe that what you did was justified? I believe that there are a lot of reasons why the act was justifiable. So under the same circumstances, you would still shoot him again.

I believe so. And when you get out, what do you want people to know about whether you will be a potential danger to society or a contributor to society?

“My only goal in life is to leave something behind that's worth remembering.”

This isn't it. This isn't it. I want to leave behind a legacy other than I killed my father.