Armchair Anonymous: Twins

And today we have twins, ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding.

We're coming up. We do. I wish we had arranged this. There's a lot of that. Unintentional. Sense. What was the other one we just had? Dopple Gangers? Doppel Gangers. We stumbled into a few weeks of doppelgangers. Yes, well twins. This is twins telling us crazy stories of being twins. And we just love them. We love twins. We love them. Also, we have new prompts. Yes, new prompts. Please submit. Please, please, please, please. You submit at www.armchairexpertpod.com.

Tell us a crazy story about a bad roommate. We know you got him. Yeah, come on. Tell us about a time you stole something. Tell us a crazy graduation story. Tell us a crazy camping story. Yeah. And I'm going to throw this one in there. Am I allowed to do this, Rob? Yeah, whatever you want. Okay, because someone just suggested it in the comments and I thought it was in it kind of pairs well. Crazy neighbor story. Let's add crazy neighbors. So if you got a crazy neighbor, crazy roommate,

you stole something. You graduated and went, hey, wire or a crazy camping story. Please submit and we will chat with you. Please enjoy twins. (Music) Hello. Hello, is this KC? Is this KC? How are you? Good. Where are you, KC?

Oh, my God. It looks very cute. It does.

“Rapping the bus. Oh, it looks a sheet. You could be a model for the sweatshirt, I think.”

Anytime you want to hit me up, I'm happy to do so. So where are you at? I am from Glen Allen, Illinois. So Rob should know that. I know Glen Allen. Have you gotten into trouble there, Rob? No, I put soccer there though. Oh, okay. Yeah, not from here. My husband lived here, but I grew up in Batavia. Not a far drive.

So you moved to this town for your husband. Correct. My husband bought a house here. Okay. How long have you guys been together? Eight years now. Oh, my goodness. You made it past the seven year scratchies. I know, right? Eight years together, less than a year married. Oh, okay. Wonderful.

You made that up. Seven year scratchies, because seven and in stretch. No, seven year itches. Yeah. I have heard that. And I changed it to scratchies. Real time. I like it. I did do it.

“And you made it through the scratchies. Okay. So are you a twin?”

I am a twin. So my story has to do with being a twin first and experience.

Oh, wonderful. Let us in on it. I would say that we didn't grow up by sister and I as typical twins. I would partially blame my mom just because from kindergarten onwards. She put us in different classes. She didn't dress us alike. She wanted us to have our own personalities, have our own friend groups, all of that.

And we quickly asked how you fraternal or identical. Actually, we didn't know if we were identical or fraternal to be quite fair. We were born in the 90s when we were born. We came out. The doctor had essentially said there was one placenta, but then he also countered and said,

it was two placentas that might have fused into one. And so he was confused. So essentially for 31 years, my sister and I were walking around. Either saying that story or just being like we don't know. And then kind of avoiding all further questions.

And it wasn't until actually 2024. My husband was so sick of us telling the story that we didn't know that he bought a genetic test off of Amazon. So we did do the testing in 2024 and the exact verbage I had to look it up. Was the probability of this match occurring between two random individuals

is approximately 1 in 7.46 times 10 to the 20. Oh my God. Okay, so pretty good odds could happen to anyone. So what's our DNA? It's pretty similar at the end of the day. Whoa.

Okay, no quickly. Some moms desire for you both to have your own personalities. I understand it in some sense. Like you're a parent, you're worried. You think your kid's going to go out and need to create their own life.

And they can't be so dependent on another person. But then I also would imagine that's informed by someone's own disposition about how independent they want to be seen. You know what I'm saying? Do you know what her main driving reason was for one of you guys to be separated

and all that?

“I think it really just at the end of the day was that she just wanted us to develop”

our own personalities and have our own friendships. I think when you're a twin, you rely so heavily on your other half. Sometimes even other twins are speaking for the other one.

I feel like always these dynamics kind of come into play type A type B.

And I just think from the get she wanted us to be two separate people when we were out in the world.

No, they say twin skip a generation.

But I think when we looked back at genetics, it was like years and years and years and years ago that there were ever twins on any side. So we just weren't that typical. I was the more type A, students, writing horses, hanging out with my girlfriends on the weekend. And then my sister was more of the rebellious type.

Got in a lot of trouble when we were younger. She was out there, break and rule is so it was a warm summer night in 2011. And I had just gotten this really weird feeling that something was going on that something was wrong. And I'd gone over to my mom and I'd asked her what was going on if she had heard from my sister at all. And she had kind of brushed me off and said no.

She's in the city with a few friends. I haven't heard from her. She's fine. Carry on with your day. How old would you and she have been at that time?

We were really 19. So the feeling hasn't subsided.

“The best way I could describe it is like an elephant sitting on your chest.”

It's like your anxiety being at a 12 out of 10.

You just know innately that something's not right. So I go back to my mom again. And I say, again, I haven't heard from my sister Sarah. I've tried calling. I've tried texting.

Have you heard from her? And again, she brushed me off. She's like, no, Casey. You're fine. She's fine.

We haven't heard from her. Everything's good. And I will purpose this was saying, I have gotten this feeling a lot. Again, she was a rebel.

I was a rebel. I was a rich don. A lot of trouble. Mind you, a year previous to this. She had been in a motorcycle. A mo pad accident down the street from her house. She was causing trouble driving the mo pad. She flipped off of it.

Shattered her femur. And had ended up in the hospital. Broker leg. And one of her legs now. Her left leg is about half an inch shorter than her right leg.

Well, tell her you same bolts is also don't let that slower down. Trust me, it did not slower down. I had had this feeling previously. There had been a lot of weird parallels in our life where this had come up and accidents had occurred. So if we went to bed, a dreaded phone call came out of all 11 o'clock at night.

Letting us know that my sister actually had gotten into an accident in the city. She was with a handful of friends. They were walking along the Chicago Lake Front Trail and being underage drunk. In balanced, left leg shorter than the right. She actually fell down. That did it.

Wow. I guess it's a variable we got to consider. Yeah. She's a normally clumsy person and then you throw in one leading shorter than the left and that just really adds to it. So she unfortunately had fallen from one peer on the Chicago Lake Front Trail to another.

Oh my goodness. And had been rendered unconscious. And the phone call my mom had gotten was when she was already at the hospital. A friend had actually stayed with her and called my mom. And that was just kind of that feeling that intuition of knowing, you know, that my other half.

There was something going on. So I know there's been a lot of speculation that I've heard from you guys is the twin telepathy or connection real. And I can definitely say in my case that it is. Oh, this is horrible for you. Yeah, because you didn't really warrant or earn any of this anxiety, but your identical double gangers out there.

“And she causes trouble. And now you have to live in this world where you know that she's always at risk.”

And it's upsetting. It feels like a children's book. It's kind of also the it in the super ego. What were her total injuries? How well did she recover? Is one side of her face to half into shorter than the other now. What's going on with her?

She recovered great. She was in the hospital. And I called my mom to check in on the story to make sure all my details were lining up as well. And she had said that we had drove down there. And she was at rush calmly, which is right outside of Chicago. And she's actually sitting in the hallway.

Because it didn't have enough rooms to put her in. And that she was unconscious. I think for a brief amount of time. But as far as I know, the only screws are loose or a few. You, but I don't think that needed to anything.

Okay. Okay. And where is she at now? How is she doing? She leveled off or is she still a daredevil? I have her here. Oh, this is so exciting. Yeah. Oh, she's not that.

Yeah, you have that thing. You got to get closer. Oh, yeah. So exciting. Here's the trouble maker. How dare you?

“Have your troubles passed? Are you now as safe a law-abiding citizen?”

I'm not. I'm pregnant. So no more. I'm through the rebellious phase up until probably. I hit 21 and 13. Was it fun anymore? You wore it out quickly. We'll congratulate on the forthcoming baby.

Thank you. She broke the unspoken rule we had of getting pregnant at the same time.

But she's the daredevil. She's got to go first.

That's the thing. And the oldest.

Eight minutes. Wow. You took your sweet ass time, Casey. You were like, "Tell me how it is out there and then I'll decide if I'm coming."

Oh, that kind of makes sense. She came first.

I'm not got it. I'll come up first. I'll see what's on the other side. Oh, no. I'll check it out for you. Do both of you listen to the show or just one? Both of us.

Oh, okay. She got me into the show. Because we're like good boys and girls. Yeah, you probably listen to smart les. I don't know. She listens at calling her daddy.

I got her into it. And if I could do a shout out to my husband, you shout to Mike as well. But this was so exciting. So it's a real to see you guys. So nice to meet you.

We love twins. It's so fun. I don't know which one to look at. Which is exciting. I'm bouncing back and forth.

Okay. Now being a twin.

“Do you feel like everyone's just staring so hard at the two of you when you're together?”

Because they're trying to determine what's different. Like I wouldn't want someone investigating my face like that. Do you feel examined, I guess, is the question? Thanks. So I think growing up we looked a lot more similar. But now I would say we do hang out with each other more and our friend groups have kind of evolved into one.

Did you guys ever like the same boy? No. Very different taste. Oh, I like it. Okay.

All right. Are your husbands like each other? All right. Let's say my husband is like her. And my husband is like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I like that.

I guess. Missing the house. Yeah. Well, lovely meeting you, sisters. This has been so fun.

Take care and congrats and good luck on everything. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right. Hello.

Is this Anna Marie? It's Anna. Anna. Anna. We have an Anna.

We have a very close Anna. Do you hear us say Anna? I do. And I rarely hear people say Anna. It's usually Anna.

And so I always appreciate that it's the right pronunciation. Yeah.

It's unique to have it in our friendship circle in a sense that once I finally got used to that, then Anna Kendrick, I always call on a Kendrick now.

And then our friend Hannah when I'm first around her and I've been around on a lot. I'll call Anna on accident. Monica doesn't relate to the anxiety. But I certainly have it. It's hard. Especially my husband's name is Dash.

Oh, that never gets messed up. I have the type of personality that's really bad at correcting people. So I'm often Anna. Bad in that you do correct them or bad in that you don't correct them. I'll correct the first time.

And then after that, it's kind of like, I'm not sure how to do this gracefully without you. You can hear it. So if your friend Anna has any tips, she doesn't because she does the same thing. And I always feel really awkward when I'm there too. And someone we know well is calling her Anna.

“I'm like, at this point, you should know you can make an argument for both.”

So one is like, oh, yeah, you should advocate for yourself and insist on people calling you. So that's the one argument. The other argument that I think is just as valid is like, I don't really care. Every time I give my name at a Starbucks, I go DAX. They go DAX.

I go, yeah. Every time it gets mangled, it's like, it's not worth me spending time correcting this. I always calling you DAX, you would care, and you should care.

Well, first of all, you never call me by my name.

Nor do I really call you by yours. So it becomes mood pretty quickly in relationships, right? No, never like monica. It sounds so familiar. Oh.

You do that all the time. No, it's awkward if it's someone ain't your wife. Yes, and it happens. I'm not going to call anyone out on the pot right now, but I'm thinking about someone. Do you see the argument I'm making though?

There is something also elevated about not giving a shit. I'll take that. Happy to have your elevated. No, you don't have to do that. Yeah, like do you know, would you rather be happier right?

No. No, you'd rather people pay enough attention to know your name. Yeah, this probably files into that insecure secure attachment style. You don't get to have an opinion on this. You've got you.

Yes, that people mess up all the time. I've got to change it.

“No people that I deal with a lot that still can't help but call me DAX.”

Your father fucked up my name when we were together the other day. It came out because it gives you anxiety that X and he said DAX. And I'm like, I don't care. I know it's going. Are you sure?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whenever he talks to me, he says, you know, directly. Yeah. So he knows your name, but maybe you made him really nervous. I'm glad.

Oh, okay. Let's get to your story. Really quickly, Monica. You've met my little sister. What?

She works at Bucatini. Oh, I love her. Will you know her? Yes. You're positive.

Get out. Well, how many people work there? Mainly one. Yeah. It's mostly, yeah.

She's so sweet and she's a human. She's a huge armchair until now. Why is that? Oh, she's mad at DAX. No, I just wanted to know how you knew.

Like, as they're only one in full. Yeah. Like, if there's four women, she's on my sister work. So you go, I love her. Well, I'm just curious.

She also looks a lot like you. Yeah.

Thank you.

We get confused for twins.

“You know, I'm seven year older than her.”

That's a feather in your cap, big time. I know, right? Is she as cool as she comes across? It's so cool. And on a where are you at?

Yeah. I'm in Brooklyn. Hence the no closet that I can fit into. You're cool too. But for an apartment in New York, I'm digging the vibe.

This is my little studio. My husband's studio is on the other side of that bookshelf that he built. Yeah. Oh. [MUSIC PLAYING]

Okay. So you have a twin story, and it's not that you're confused for your sister that works at Buketini. Buketini. Buketini.

I have three siblings and we're each three years apart. And we grew up moving around a fair amount. But most of our childhood was spent in London because of my dad's job. Who's the MI5? What do you do in England?

He worked in Telecom. And this is the early 90s. So that was a different time for Telecom. But because of the nature of his job, he was not around that often. And since we were all pretty little and in a new country, my mom was pretty overwhelmed.

Take care of us, also, though. So we were fortunate enough to have a live in Nanny. The way the setup worked is we lived in a house that had what the British call an in law apartment. Oh. So the bottom street level had a bedroom kitchen bathroom, like a whole separate entrance.

So we would have these nannies they would live in the basement.

It was private. We would never go there.

And they would go in through the street level. And we would go up the stairs to enter the house. We primarily worked with this one babysitting agency. And as you can imagine, it was kind of hit or miss. Like we had some freaks.

Yeah. But one babysitter that we had, I was obsessed with. She was young. Most of these nannies was their first time living independently. And oftentimes they just moved to the UK.

And it was like, oh, my own apartment. She was a little bit too much. She was a little bit too much. She was a little bit too much. She was a little bit too much.

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She was a little bit too much. She was a little bit too much. She was a little bit too much. Her, but there were a few things that didn't really die. Most of the time, she had like a really nice, florally smell.

But sometimes she's stuck. Oh, cigarette. Oh, cigarette. It's okay. At that age, you're like, oh my god, smoking, like little.

So it was very noticeable.

“My siblings are all like, I think she smokes.”

But it was weird because it wasn't consistent. And also she seems to be very forgetful. She would not remember our nighttime routines or would tell her something to day before and she wouldn't know what you're referencing. We started to think like maybe she wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

This is maybe a little difficult for her to keep track of all the kids. And you know, my mom was very present. So she was also aware of this. But she was just so grateful for the help that she was like, oh, I'll let it slide. But yeah, she would forget where to pick us up at school or forget.

We were all vegetarian because of Mad Cow disease. My parents were like terrified of us. So she forget that. Oh, yeah, that's like a huge thing to forget. Yeah, or like one time she got us candy with gelatin, which we weren't allowed.

And we were like, like, it was very exciting. Like we fully took advantage of these little things. She quickly, did you ever notice? I'm sure she loved that you had such an affinity for her. Did you ever notice that sometimes she was connected to that?

And sometimes she was not or was it that across the board? I was very shy and quiet. So I don't know how much she picked up my little crush. Okay. One night, my mom was coming home and witnessed her like putting a key under the mat in front of her door,

which my mom was like, young girl living alone for the first time.

Maybe boyfriend girlfriend. She's having someone over, but still didn't die.

“The idea of the key to the house being out.”

And then she started throwing parties in the basement. Oh, not ideal. And then the smoking was like one of the house rules. Like don't smoke in the house. So there are a few things working in the church. But again, my mom was just so happy to have someone around to help.

That she was like, well figured out. But one night, my dad came home really late from a trip. He was exiting the taxi. And because it was night and because her apartment was straight level, if the curtains are up, you could see everything.

And so as he was getting out and about to go up our stairs, he saw her in the kitchen and was like, oh, she's home. And then like out of frame,

And she's identical. Yeah, it's a prestige. It is. Yeah, it's the prestige. She was living the house.

Stop it and it's parasite. All at once. Yeah, I am in the basement. Oh my goodness. So yeah, the next morning my mom confronted her and said,

are you two people? Yeah. And yeah, she didn't deny it. It was a great way to get a two for one rent in London and two for one job.

But yeah, that was the reason she never knew it was going on.

Because it's two women taking care of us. Oh, yeah, well, it was a small girl. One was not. You think they would. If they're going through all this trouble of really coming up with this scheme,

which is a good scheme. They would talk like so. They're vegetarian. Right. But that's if you're the type of person that isn't pulling like a fun scam

and in your 20s in London throwing parties in a house.

“You know, you should like they've kind of already demonstrated that's not there.”

I should do a scam. I know, but that's the paradox. You can't because you want to. But you would be really good at making sure you guys have the same story. Hey.

How did mom and dad handle this? For me, I might be like, cool, too, for one. But they've been lying and tricking and betraying in you. You can't. Yeah, I think just the idea of a stranger having taken care of your kid.

And with you for five months. I think that was enough to say, maybe this isn't the right fit. So they told the agency, so I'm not sure what happened. I don't know what their next scheme was. I think they met identical twin boys and they lived happily ever after.

I hope that for them, they're very cute girls. Of course they were. You don't get away with this for that long without being cute. And we should their info. I would do want to ask them if they saw the prestige.

Did you see the prestige? I did. What year did that come out? Because this was like 96. Oh, wow.

Not terribly long. I've been like 2007, I think. Christopher Nolan knows something. Maybe my base done that. Yeah.

That's why. On it, that was a tacy. You guys had a real life prestige happening. It was parasite. I wish they would have had a little fun with it.

Like play hide and seek with you. They could have, who knows? Yeah. And then they pop out from somewhere that would be impossible.

And then these people would never trust anyone ever again.

Or they would think they had a version of Mary Poppins. Like she's magic. She could be in any room with a house. She could wait for that one. Actually, I hope they graduated to more complex crimes with bigger payouts.

I hope so too. Maybe you don't end up being another story on here. What age did you guys then leave England? We moved to New York when I was in middle school. So 12.

Did you happen to listen to Amanda Peats episode? Yeah, this is kind of her story. She was over there and the way you came back to New York. God, you guys are so cool. I know.

“Did you have an English accent when you came back to New York?”

I did because I learned how to speak in London. But I got made fun of pretty bad. So I tried to fit in. The most embarrassing thing is that at least in our school. Because I went to a British school.

When you raise your hand in class, you don't do this. You did this. Oh, you did put a finger up for the listener. Is that a whole hand when I first started school in New York? I did that and got made fun of.

Yeah. It looks up at you.

It's almost like in another thing.

And another thing I want to say. Yeah. There are a lot of moments like that. Well, that's the life of the meet you. For someone who's shy, you did a great job.

You must have outgrown your shyness. Sometimes I'm definitely the least likely of the siblings to have done this. Oh, thank you. Thank you. My sister is listening as well, Leah and my other sister son.

Yes. So they were like hyping me up. Oh, how cute. I'm probably going to go to Bucatini today. Give her a feedback.

Yeah. And I'm going to say you did great. All right. We'll have a great rest of your day. Take care and Brooklyn.

Yeah. Now I do think you're a twin. Oh. Like Lincoln thought. And now I think.

Ew. I love it. No.

“What's the other part of me doing right now?”

Right in a motorcycle. No, that guy is like sick. He's looking at a window. Oh, wow. Wow.

Yeah. Well, you're doing work. Well, I make the money. He's out of people. Yeah.

We would probably work out of addict schedule. So you can make a mess of your life in six months. The increments and then you got to tag back there. What if your twin wasn't an addict? That would be really interesting.

It wouldn't be my twin. I mean, you're not my twin. I know. I mean, he's like, I'm your twin dude. I will get exactly like you.

You know, I want this cigarette. Okay. Now don't you need another one? He's like, no. Yeah.

You're not my blog. Then you kill him. You killed your twin. Because he wasn't an addict. Hi.

Cute shirt dot. Oh my god. The cutest sweatshirt around. Yeah. Why'd they say shirt?

I'm so embarrassed. It's clearly a sweatshirt. Scott, I'm sorry. It's okay. I'll let him slide.

Where are you? Scott. I in Portland, Oregon. Okay. Portland or Beaver 10 or Wilson.

Downtown Portland up by the zoo.

Great.

And how long have you lived there?

Since 2011. And where'd you come from? So I came from California by way of Colorado, which we'll get to in the story. Oh, wonderful. All right.

Scott, tell us your twin story. So my identical twin. My brother is my identical twin and his name is David. He will feature prominently in this story. So we look very similar, especially when we're younger.

People would often confuse us. Friends and family could tell us a part if we were standing next to each other. If we were on the street or something like that, people would struggle. Right. They'd confuse us.

If we were on a class and they knew Scott was supposed to be there. It was pretty clear. Who was who. But, you know, we would routinely confuse people. Scott, when the people that knew you were looking at you and they could tell, were they observing

“Personality differences or were there a few key subtle physical things they saw?”

This is a really good point. Just as a public service announcement on behalf of all twins, regularly people get super excited when they could tell twins apart. So excited. In fact, they want to tell you how they could tell you apart.

I know how everyone who tells a part. Let's say my face is fatter. Oh, my brother's the sad twin. Oh. Always pejoratives.

Yeah. A fruit.

Someone always came out negatively.

Oh, yeah. I was more looking for like, oh, yeah. You have a small scar on your eyebrow. That's not bad. That's cool.

inherently though. So like, maybe they didn't say that. Maybe they said, well, David has the same face. Same face. No, just like there's a thin face.

And then you hurt it. They definitely said fatter face. Oh, okay. So well, this is bygone era. Yes.

The service announcement is I don't need to know how you felt part me and my brother. Keep it yourself. Super happy for you. This is a good thing. This is a good thing.

That is good. I look at my watch or something else. You know, but it's fine.

“People found lots of different ways to tell support.”

I think we look very different. We have different personalities.

But I have proof that people can fuse us often as get to the story.

So as a twin, you know, I have lots of little crazy twin stories. And they kind of accumulate over time. And it's kind of your norm. I have a couple. I wanted to share that kind of show some of the stuff that you do with as a twin.

So even as adults, we live on different coats. So I live in Portland, Oregon. My brother, he lives in Winston, Salem, North Carolina. We still manage to confuse people unintentionally. My brother's a chemistry professor at Wake Forest.

Oh, shit. Because lots of students and one of the students was visiting Portland with their family. And they were on a walk in our neighborhood. I was also walking in our neighborhood. Oh, wow.

That is Sam. That's weird. Yeah. So she looked at you. That's my chemistry professor.

And her parents were like, no, that's not. The person clearly lives here. And their parents convinced her, you know, she's crazy. And then months later, my brother had casually mentioned that he has a twin brother living in Portland.

And she's like, I knew it. Wow. That's fun for her. Yeah. Small world.

So we live lots of things like that. Even as adults, we just find out that we, you know, have confused people. Growing up, we were very similar. We had a very shared childhood. We did very similar things.

We had the same friends. We were very close to each other's best friends. Then we went to UC Davis in California. And we both were majors in chemistry. You know, we lived together.

But then we decided that we both went to go to grad school. And we're trying to figure out what we're going to do. And we're kind of like, all right, we're going to have to like separate it. Some point. Like girlfriend and I at the time, we were trying to figure out which grad schools.

We were going to go to and David is doing his own thing. And we had one school in common, which was the University of Colorado in Boulder. My wife was selling. I decided we're going to go to Boulder. And then the month later, my brother independently is like, all right, this is the best school for me.

So we ended up going to the same grad school. The programs we were in were different though. His was biochemistry. I was physical chemistry. So we had different classes.

We really didn't overlapped much. And we didn't see each other that often because I was like a micro friend. Was that part hard? You had been so inseparable. Did you feel any kind of missing feelings or was it fine?

Because you were in love. Yeah, I think it was like a new experience. We were still physically in the same school. So I knew that he was close by. We could still go do stuff.

And so I think it was really comforting to have him by. But we were kind of doing our own things. There was some tension there was like, hey, do stuff with me. I was like, well, we're going to do something. Did he have a girlfriend or it was just you with the girlfriend?

At the time, it was your speed. And I got married before he did get them in the buying a house, getting a dog, like doing all the stuff. And so if we really were differentiating, but even then we'd still manage to get confused because we T.A.

These large gen can classes, right? With hundreds of people. And so I'd be walking on campus and someone would be like, hey, Dave, do you wait and just hope they'll go away?

“Or do you have to have the conversation?”

Which is always awkward. This is a version of being famous Scott. You're getting to experience a little bit. They're yelling Dave, which would might be your character name from TV. You know, I'm not Dave in real life.

I'm Scott in real life. And then you're obliged to have a conversation explaining what you're doing there. It's always the same. It's like, oh, you're trying to talk to my brother. Okay, yeah, I'm twin.

That's crazy. I know what your name or your own friend. I don't tell him you said hi. Yes. God, what if you hated your twin?

Your life is miserable. You probably not be at the same schools then luckily. You know, you had a distance yourself. Even as we're trying to separate, like we still have crazy stuff. Like I ended up breaking my wrist, playing soccer, my left wrist.

But we later, my brother broke his same left wrist scheme. So then we had matching cast walking around.

Okay, so those are smaller examples.

But there's a one incident that kind of stood out that I wanted to share today. Even though I don't remember all of it. So soon after I moved to Boulder, I wanted to start like a soccer team. And they had this co-ed soccer league. You know, I decided to sign me and some friends up.

The team is mostly made up of grad students under grads. It was kind of like a rag tag group of people rough it. Not super competitive and suicide set of a team. Boulder in general is a hyper competitive place that permeates all that. Spectacular.

Have you guys been to Boulder? Did you know what I'm talking about? No, this is shocking.

“I think of Colorado as being very laid back in smoking weed and rock climbing.”

And it's no warning. But like get out of outdoor sports though, right? Yeah. What you find is generally there's people that are world class that anything they're doing. And then there's lots of people trying to keep up.

Maybe spend any time there. It's very clear. You figure this out. And so it's a largely as 36 teams in it, which is like a lot for a co-ed soccer league.

And they were broken up into six divisions within the use of promotion.

Just a promotion relegation system kind of like you'd have in the Premier League. The structure of its competitive. Yeah. And then on top of that, they had teenage referees that were generally apathetic and underpaid. Right.

Sure. Setting up the situation where there's going to be tension in the system. There's a code league. So we're like equal man and women on the field. That generally lowers testosterone level a bit.

So you think like this is going to be fine. Yeah. Buffers it. Let me take you now to warm spring Wednesday evening in 2009. The game is at this like large field complex.

So lots of games going on events rushing to make the 545 game start time. It's midweek. So it's hard to get players there. So I asked my brother David who's not regularly playing on the soccer teams.

“Like, hey, can you help cover come play for the team?”

We need some players. We worked our way up. So we're like mid tier in this league.

So we're not in the most competitive league, but we're not at the bottom anymore.

We've done enough to like get right in the middle of the divisions. So most of the games are pretty chill. However, it was clear once the game started. This was not going to be a show game. The tensions were already high, fouls happening, but restaurant calling things.

They're disinterested and controlling the game. As things happen, people are getting more and more excited. And there was one person in particular, one big dude who was being extra aggressive. And he was pushing, fouling, doing stuff that was really ramping everything up. And for the sake of the story, let's call him beef stick.

Okay. Great. Great. Yeah. Big name.

David was playing defense throughout the game. And oftentimes he was interacting with beef stick. Right. They were really going at it and getting into it. And my brother and I were real followers. Right. We fault rules, Monica.

Yes. I appreciate it. I get so angry when people don't fault rules as does my brother. And so in this instance, my brother was going to be the fair police. He's going to be a bit more assertive playing defense.

And he committed a strong but not malicious foul.

“The ref called it, but this did nothing to help with the tensions, right?”

Didn't de escalate anything. It escalated. And I was doing my best to stay out of the drama. And at one point after he had filed a mistake, he checked out of the game. He's up down.

I was so on the field. I was drooling the ball kind of off balance trying to get around a player. All of a sudden, bam hit a brick wall. I was tackled. I didn't see it coming.

And I was laid out on the ground. And like the back of my head hit the grass. And at this point, I don't remember much of the story. So it gets a little blurry. And I had to fill in these tales from other people.

What I heard is I played another five or ten minutes. Like there's a commotion. People angry. Tensions were still very, very high. This did not help.

I kept playing. And then I eventually checked out of the game. Lay down and was immediately like disoriented and confused. This is 2009. So concussions are not top of mind.

People are not so worried as they are now. There's a skin needs still. That's right. You know, luckily there was someone there who had some medical training who was recognizing symptoms. Though it was pretty obvious.

I was trying to text my wife to figure out how I was going to meet up. I didn't know how my phone worked. I couldn't understand it. I didn't know a day of the week. It was weird for everyone.

And people on the team started realizing how serious this injury was, including the other team in our friend beef steak finished the game. Everyone was like frustrated. But, you know, after we're just shaking hands, you're saying good game to everyone. And I didn't. I was still just sitting down.

Figure out where it was. And beef steak came up to my brother. It's like, sorry. I confused you for your brother out there. Implying that he actually meant to take out my brother.

Can cause your brother. Take away I have from this is like in life as a twin. Normally it's fun. People confuse you. You get a good story out of it.

Everyone has a good time. However, if you're playing an ultra competitive co-ed soccer league in Boulder, Colorado. That is not the case. You do not want to be confused with your brother. You have to go to ER.

Have you got X-rays as CT scan? Twindom can cause CT. Yeah. You might pay for the crimes of your brother. Yeah.

Yeah. That's my crazy twin story. How often do you see David now? Just like on holidays? Yeah.

It's hard. Bandleesh got two kids. Airfare's not cheap.

In flying across the country.

It's an ordeal. We try to see each other once a year. Yeah. I don't know why I feel I feel sadness more than say my brother and I being separated. Because I feel like if you have an identical twin or so close.

It's something different. Have you had telepathy? Our joke is we have telepathic powers. Which means we don't have any ability. Pathetic.

Oh, that's funny. And are you a teacher? I work it until as my brother say I sold out. He's fighting a good fight. Well, when there's two of you, one can afford to get a little cage and the other can pass

it forward. Oh, well, Scott, lovely. Meaning you. Please send our love to David. He's a part of the story.

Are you actually David? Is that going to be the big deal? There was a suggestion to have my fake name. David. But I spent enough of my time trying to get people to get to know my real name.

So, you know. Yeah. So, I just wanted to say that I look forward to all the new episodes. Like you, DAX, look forward to F1 weekend. And DAX would really appreciate the role models.

You put out there for men with the parenting, vulnerability, how you carry yourself in the world.

“It's important to have role models out there and really appreciate.”

You put yourself out there. Thank you. My wife often references you about things that I could do better. Oh, no. Oh, no.

Oh, no.

Tell her the grass is always greener.

Can I bring her in? Yes. Yes, yes. Hello. What is your name?

Oh, and there's little people. Michelle. And then this is Avery and Ryland back here. Oh, my God. Hi, guys.

They're so cute. My daughter and I listened to Arm Cheranonymous all the time in the car on the way to kids activities. We love it. Oh, thank you. I think she can listen to this one.

All right. Well, I'd love to everyone there. So nice meeting you guys. Yeah. Nice to meet you, too.

Okay. Take care. A pair of twins is like pair of jeans. It's like you shouldn't say that. Is that what we say?

A pair of twins. Yeah. I said it. It just came out.

“You can't say a set of twins because the set is three.”

You can't say anything. Can't say anything these days. You can't. We got another thing you can't say these days. Hello.

Is this Amy? This is. Is there been an avalanche of pillows? It's a beach blanket. I'm in a closet.

Oh, okay. With a blanket. Well, you really doubled up in a very soft chair. Is that a soft chair? Yeah.

It is a very soft chair. And once you're short Sam, very nosy. Black label. That's a coffee, right? It's a skateboard company.

Oh. It's related to my story. Oh, that's a great name for a skateboard company. You have to feel a little. But there is black label beer.

I know, but you should know skateboard. I should. I should. But in my defense, I stopped skateboarding. I'm probably 92.

I mean, they were big in the 90s. Oh, fuck. Oh, okay.

What turned out I never skateboarded.

We filmed that out. It was already. It's your twin. Okay. Amy, where are you?

I'm in Ben Harbor, Michigan. Get out of here. Okay. So, Amy, you have a twin story? I do have a twin story.

Well, quick twin fun fact is that me and my sister were born on April Fool's Day. And my parents did not know they were having twins until seven days before we were born. Wow, real April Fool's. Real April Fool's. We had the same heartbeat, the whole pregnancies.

And at the very end, we moved. And then they heard too. I mean, this story, something years ago. So, like, technology wasn't there yet. Wow.

Anyway, so this story takes place in Indiana. My sister does not want me to tell you the town or the college that it happened at. But her name's Amber, by the way. So, it was about 2003. Ish.

She was like in her senior year of college. And she was going to be married and moving out to California. She lives in San Diego.

“Can I ask if you're identical or for eternal or is that part of the story?”

We are identical. And I did send pictures. Oh, oh, my God. Yes. Oh, you guys are so cute.

I want to twin. Oh. Oh. Ty died phase coming. Very identical.

You nailed the stereotype. Okay. I had broken my foot, dropping in. Like I was learning how to skateboard at that time. So, I was dropping in, rolled my foot.

I just moved to the college town that she lived in because she was going to leave the state after graduation. So, like, I moved down there. I was just working at this local hardware store. And I was learning how to skateboard, broke my foot. I like walked around on it for a solid two days because I'm poor.

I don't have insurance because I just started the job. And at some point, I'm like, I got to go get this checked out. But how am I going to pay for it? And then my sister was like, well, just take my school IDs to the student center. Yes.

And I'll be free. And everybody's like, yeah, that's such a great idea. Let's do this. Nobody thought that this would be that idea. I'm signing off on it right now.

I think it sounds great. Why pay for it if we don't have to. And then also because it's Indiana the two days before I was skateboarding. The two days later, I was brushing snow off on my car to go to the doctor's office. So, well, the student center.

And my sister's a senior at this point.

So, she's lived on campus for four years. She knows everybody as soon as I walk in. It's like, hey, Amber. Hey, Amber. What did you do?

I don't know if she has known these people for five minutes. I don't know if they're her neighbors. I have no idea who they are. So, I go up to the desk, the person at the desk. It's like, oh my god, what did you do?

And I'm like, I broke my foot. This is really fun to think about. You're moving through the world and you're like a frog. Yeah. You're playing a character.

Yeah. Exactly. That you're in a really big scheme. And everyone that's coming up to you is going to induce panic.

“And then you start thinking, how would my sister act right now?”

This is a lot of stress. Yeah. It's like twilight zoning. It was like immediate stress. So, I get through the front desk.

I'm like, I've made it. That's got to be the hardest part. I get into the room and they're like checking out my foot and like my heart is racing. And they're like, Amber. How are you doing with your thyroid medication?

Are you keeping up on your thyroid medication? I'm like, I don't actually know what milligrams of that medication I'm on. I have no idea what it's called. I don't have no idea. And they're like, who's your primary care doctor?

I'm like, I just switched actors. I'm not sure what their name is. Were you also thinking, oh, shit. I should be on thyroid medication. My identical twin needs it.

No. Actually, our health journeys are so opposite. And that's a whole another sort. I even did a DNA test to make sure we were identical twins. That's got more so different.

But spoiler alert.

“We are so they're like, well, you should really get that checked out.”

That's concerning your heart should not be racing like this. Well, of course, obviously I'm lying. My ass off. So I didn't make it through that. But then from there, I have to go to a specialist.

I'm having to do it all over fill out the forms. They say Amber's name on it. I have to go to several different doctors and pretend that I'm Amber and listen for the name Amber. And it's like, all right, Amber, you're ready. And I'm like, looking for Amber and I'm like, Oh, yeah, that's me.

Real life parent trap. Yeah, yeah, or body switch comedy too. Yeah. Yeah, parent trap. So then I get through that.

But then work is requiring me to have like all these doctors notes for missed things that they all say my sister's name on it. So then I'm like, altering doctors notes to say my own name. Because I'm like, this is Amber. This is not say Amy, but also again, 20 something years ago. They're like, eh, my prescriptions all had my sister's name on it.

All my follow up, but I mean, at the end of the day, I did not receive a single bill. Oh, wow, yeah, yeah, 10 out of 10. Do not recommend it. It was very short. Live the stress, but it was a very, very stressful.

“You didn't have surgery or anything when they'd throw you in a cast at some point.”

I was on crutches for about 12 weeks. So there was like physical therapy. And one time was off of campus. They had no idea who I was. And then my sister has this broken foot on her.

And I'm a permanent health record, but I redeemed myself. Because I started skateboarding again last summer. And I broke that same foot. Oh, no, that's rude. Now it's up to date.

Time to go to Amber's town. Do you guys live close? No, she lives in San Diego. Is that hard? It's very hard.

Yeah, we talked like 500 times a day. We probably see each other like once a year. And she has texted me like 50,000 times.

She's like, I've never been so jealous in my life.

It's like, I want to be on armchair anonymous. Oh, my God. That's the only crazy twin story we have, though. That's great. Well, this is nosy.

So she went to college and you didn't. How do you explain that? I always tell people that I feel like we were raised by like two different sets of parents because we could not be any more different. Our voices are exactly the same.

And our mannerisms are exactly the same. But our personalities are very different. Like, I was like really stressed out about this. Oh, my God. I'm going to puke and she's like, no, just be excited.

You know, but like our health journeys are different. DAX hasn't idea that twins live the exact same life. I mean, he really do. I want that to be the case, of course. It's more exciting.

I just think it's fascinating how much nurture gets in there. I am. I say nature versus nurture all the time because our real dad did not raise us. Like he was not in the picture until we were adults. And my sister's personality is identical to his.

I'm more like my mom, but I don't think that has anything to do with her being there. But it was like my dad raised her solely in my mom raised me solely. She's very artistic like she's musical. I can't draw so opposite. I actually like it as much as it's fun to think you're identical.

I'm always a little disappointed that it's so much nature as a parent.

Because you want to have some sense that all of this energy you put into it has an impact. And entire year we'll go by and like we won't see each other. And then she'll come to my house or I'll come to her house and we'll be in the bedroom. Getting dressed and we'll have the exact same polar bear underwear on. Oh wow.

We'll have the exact same mascara or little things like that are very random. But so different in every other way. How about your taste in men or women? Well we both have been married and divorced and married again.

So like she has a daughter and I have a son.

We both had sea sections. That's very similar.

“But like she married somebody a lot like my biological dad.”

And I married somebody more like my stepdad. Oh it's real. So interesting.

Well Amy lovely meeting you and the give our love to Amber.

So she couldn't join in. I will shout out to my husband for being so supportive of me being nervous. And then one of my very good friends LaDana is number one arm chair. So she's like I would absolutely die if you say my name. Oh shout out to everyone.

Well lovely meeting you. Good to meet you. All right. Take care. Oh, Michigan.

I want to get tricked by twin. I mean, I am by you. Well. That's I just figured out. Good trick though.

Really good trick.

You won't even finally admit it.

I will on my death bed because you'll be visiting me dying. And then I'll tap you on the shoulder and go, don't worry. Only one of us is dying. One of us is healthy. But you're not sure which one.

The one you went to Michigan with or the one you went to. Yeah. I'm Minnesota with.

“Do you want to sing a tune or something when you're with him, son?”

Oh. Okay. Great. We don't have a good song for this new show. So here I go, go, go.

We're gonna add some random questions in the help. Oh, oh, Jerry's book is just beautiful. I'm a fire Ryan Bush. I'm a fire Ryan Bush. [BLANK_AUDIO]