Chace Crawford

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“I'm joined by Lily Padman with a very gorgeous man today.”

- Ooh, he is attractive. - Makes my eyes feel good. I'm looking at you. - You think you're stiring this? And maybe he healed your stye.

- I think he did. I'm gonna give him that credit. Chase Crawford. Chase Crawford is an actor, gossip girl. The boys, the boys, I love the boys.

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Please enjoy. Not just good looking. Such a good hang. So friendly. Chase Crawford.

Enjoy. (upbeat music) - The perfect setups transitioned into the garage, huh? - Yeah, so we did record upstairs when we were already on wait.

- Directly above us, there's a little attic. - Everything's video though, no, two of us. - It's awesome. - We hated the idea, but they forced us, that's part of our new wonder ideal.

- Well, it's probably a smart thing. I mean, these are the talk shows. She's like the real deal. - Yeah, hi, Mike, how are you? - So you're with Caroline.

- I do. - So we tell you hi, she's the best. - So you're having my favorite person? - Oh my God, I got that call too. - Who's Caroline?

- Caroline. - In the city? - Dijon. - Dijon. - Style is.

- Style is to the stars incredible, 80.

- And she's just like the coolest person in general. - She says you guys hang out after hours and I invited myself.

“- You should come, we'll go to like a squail at the Carrier,”

like a Friday. - Yeah, Mark agree on it. - Yeah, Mark agree. - You know what I'm saying? - You know what I'm saying?

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- Okay. - Okay, friends with her own zegers. Amazing. - Yes, Kevin's great. - And she texted me and said,

"You're talking to my favorite person." - Oh, I love it. - She is. - She is. - She and me is the best.

I've been with her for like 20 years. She was kind of with QVane and the novice and now she's the head of everything over there. - Yeah. - Yeah, she's awesome.

- But that's pretty incredible. I don't know if I've ever arrived.

Well, I know I've never arrived anywhere.

And two different people had gave testimony on it. - Oh, wow. - Oh, wow. - That's good. That's good.

- I got to text him, I'm like, "Yes, J.E.E." He texted me. If it kept great, I've known Kevin for years. - He guys did a movie together. - And he was on gossip grow years and years ago.

- Oh, yeah. - Yeah. - I don't even know when. - Oh, yeah, he was like a bad guy. - He's on the flag, it's like six to eight months.

You know, backwards shows were like 26. - I know, you guys did so much. - He's so good looking. Was he playing a boy toy? - Yeah, yeah, he was a swath.

- We were almost riding that same pocket, like head to head. - So you guys go out on the town at all? - We did, actually.

“- He's back when he really would honestly, I don't know”

for recording. - Yeah, we always are. (laughing) - I don't even know. - I don't even know.

- Oh, no, no, we are super best friends. - Okay, yeah. - So yeah, I'll be the judge. - So I know his story. - He's very honestly at sober.

- I mean, he's very open to the public. - Yeah, open to the public. - So I didn't know that. And I was decidedly not from those years and we would go out. And we were friends already.

I always got along, but we'd go out.

Don't wanna, you know, blow it up too much. But we've gone to the town in New York. - Yeah. - I knew he didn't know anyone else in the cast and I was always looking for--

- Oh, running, mate. - Yeah, exactly. - Yeah, one wind of Malay, though, two actors. And so we went out. And yeah, I think that was the last run that he had.

- Uh-huh. - Did he pee his pants at any point? (laughing) - Maybe he hung him up all day. - I know, I know, but I will say we added absolute blasts.

- Man, I don't know, I, but man, a lot of fun was had.

- 'til he got dark, I mean, there's good fun to be had out there. - New York's a danger. - New York's a danger thing. - I got dark for me too. They got to be a little too much, you know?

- It's like that thing where it's, it's New York.

- Yeah, what do you diagnose the problem is?

'Cause for me, it's a very specific thing. Like, why is it dangerous in New York? Now I have that romanticized relationship with the city that when I go back, that feeling that buzz.

I don't know if I'd be able to live there again, in function. Because you're out, if the weather's nice, there's always people on the patio is always something going on. There's always like an event.

It's really never shuts down. - Yeah. - And no cars. - And no cars make the huge difference. - You're just walking around, like, let's grab a wine

at three, it's a Tuesday. - It's not irresponsible because you're not driving, we're eating anyone. - I will say everyone wants to visit you. So it's like there's always someone in the town.

- Yeah, yeah. - There are a reason to go out. - I'm more reclusive now. And I like to just be a homebody and get groceries in the car.

New York's not really conducive to that. - Yeah, you have a dog, right? - The dog, the whole thing.

- Yeah, I was spared by having never worked there

while I was an addict, but I would go there to promote. - Yeah, mine's who's like, the bar doesn't shut down to four. - Yeah, that's another problem. - And after party is standard, every night of the race.

- Someone's hosting them after party. - If you're off from 1 a.m., if you're gonna stay up to two, it's not closing. You're most likely gonna keep it going. But, yeah.

- Also, a gossip girl, we just had Jenny Garth on from 902 now, original. - I saw that, yeah, amazing. - And gossip girl was kind of the my Gen's 902 and 0. So I can't not imagine being in New York

and seeing you guys out there, I don't want to be freaking out, you guys were all mine. - If you were to give me my first dose of fame,

“I think you're a city at 22, or 22 years old.”

- I'm a hot ass show. - And I'm making thousands of, I mean, forget it. - We're not sure I'd be here. - You were right. - Yeah, yeah.

- Looking back on it, it affects everyone differently. There's first two years of fame. Most people turn into an asshole in some way, or they just get paranoid and reclusive. - You went the paranoid route.

I read the interview magazine interview with you and Magnus. - Oh, nice, thank you. - Yeah, that was a good interview. - Yeah.

- Those sweet, sweet interview. - Okay, but you were born in Lubach. You moved to Minnesota for four years. - Yeah. - And then Mama's a teacher, what kind of teacher?

- She kind of taught everything. She got a master's in education, but she was mainly English, but she would like substitute us in kindergarten and throughout high school, actually.

And she was kind of like the cool substitute teacher, like everyone, hold on, hold on, hold on. - Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. - Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. - First of all, there's no such thing as a cool substitute.

(laughing) - So you already lied, you already lied, you already lied. - So you're like, everyone can't eat. - You're like hot though, I saw a picture of her. - She has a huge amount of super-hour.

- Oh, I just wanted to get it all the time, and I just got mad. - I'm mad. - And then she was 20 when she or 21 when she had you. - Exactly, they had me young. - Yeah, she was like, - And Dan's a dermatologist, so his skin is fucking gorgeous.

- She's gorgeous. - It's gorgeous. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - You got like these genetics. - So you're not doing terrible on the skin. - Yeah. - Yeah.

- My dad, he doesn't give me any tips. - It's just all genetics. - Before we proceed, I don't know why I didn't detect this when watching the boys, which I'm an enormous fan of. - Love it.

- Your voice is incredible. - Oh, thank you.

- If you always connected, I mean,

you could definitely, it would be a downgrade, but you could be a radio or have a podcast. It's such a soothing, it's got a good timbre. - Thank you, I went to college to do broadcast journalism or to maybe do, 'cause people used to say that,

“oh, you got a great voice that you should get into like TV,”

and I really fast learned that I was not good at that. Like you didn't want to do broadcast journalism in sports, even though I love sports, but thank you. - ironic though, 'cause Candice, she's a sports journalist. - Yeah, that's how she met her husband.

- Okay, so back to, how old were you when you left? - Lubock, it went to Minnesota. - We were in love if like a year, and then my dad started the families from Oklahoma. So Oklahoma City for like four years,

where he did med school to OU. So Bloomberg, sooner, or Oklahoma, sooner fans. It's college. And his family was there. We moved to Minnesota.

I was about five to 10 years old. So he had residency program. - They were young, like 21, 22. I can't imagine having like two kids. And not a lot of money before he became a doctor

and trying to get through med school and then going up to Minnesota. So those were some of the best times. - You must have a little bit of mixed culture between Southern and Minnesota,

'cause those are pretty formative years. What was the vibe in elementary in Minnesota? - I remember getting to Minnesota and being in school and having like a small identity crisis 'cause I felt like I'm a Texas kid.

And that's all you know. - Did you have cowboy boots and shirt? - I was a cowboy's football fan. - Yeah, we went out with young. - Yeah, it was a little cowboy boots

and had the old thing. - Every little boy in Texas, I see his cowboy boots. - Right. And you just identify with that even Oklahoma.

“And I remember being in Minnesota and being like,”

what do I say? Who do I say I am? - I am. - From Minnesota as the Oklahoma from the South. I definitely had a little twang, you know, grown up.

And then I sort of started to have the Minnesota accent. Or it's like grandparents. But they're not like that. - Yeah. - You know what?

- It kind of melted the accent when I got back to Dallas after that. - And what kind of boy

Do you worry you seem like you would have gotten along

with everyone? - Yeah. - I'm a bit of a people pleasoring. I should do a lot of therapy. - Yeah, that's like my thing.

- My own dreams are hard for you. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was kind of part of it having to move

Oklahoma in the Minnesota and back and always make

like a new group of friends was sort of how I learned to survive. - So you get to play now for what, junior high, our middle school, middle school, yeah, fifth grade. And how did that go?

That transition now from Minnesota to play now? - I remember that as like a weird time. - I had two best friends in Minnesota. Like the bikes in the summer, the whole thing, like great guys and friends.

Yeah, yeah, and Lake Life in Texas. That's really all there was. That's what we did. But that was it with those two friends and losing them. That was the first kind of real loss.

“And I remember being depressed when I was 10,”

moving back to Plano to Dallas, and then having this daunting task of meeting new people and creating new relationships again. - And now you're a Vikings fan. (laughing)

- Oh, sure. - I'll let you know. - Yeah, I'll let you know. - Is your sister younger older? - She is younger by 17 months.

So it was pretty pretty close to me.

- Oh, okay, I was twins. - And this may shock you, but she's also shockingly attractive. - So the whole family, the whole family is just-- - She was miss. I'm gonna butcher it.

She was miss Texas. I think you're miss. (laughing) - She's an academic and soul person. I hate consulting out, but I am.

- She's way older than me in maturity levels. - Miss Missouri. - Miss Missouri. - When we talked about she went to school at Missouri. She was Miss Missouri.

And I can test it in Miss America. - Yeah. - I went to grow up with everyone doing what we just did, which is, "Oh my God, your family is so beautiful "and so perfect."

- It was more like your mom's hug. - Oh, how bad. - And your dad's handsome. - Yeah. - Although your buddy's fucking brain.

- Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. - Vlogged me and your dad's handsome. - Oh, my God, I have appreciated his skin and his stature. My mom walked in the classroom. I was like, "Guys, we're not allowed to do the thing

"where we're asked." - They'd be nice to my mom. - Yeah, I would have felt embarrassed and then be able to help protect of. - This had to be tough.

She would just let everyone screw off. - Oh, my God. - That's why, that's why. - Oh, my God. - She was like, "Oh, you have fun day."

She knew how to get everyone around to doing what they were supposed to do, what it was started off with the games in candy, and everyone loved Mrs. Crawford. - Yeah, she was like, "The cool mom as well." - So you weren't embarrassed that mom was there.

'Cause that doesn't really matter how the mom is. She's just kind of embarrassing, right, when you're a little-- - Well, now if you have Miss Crawford, I guess. - Yeah, Miss Crawford was great. Fast-worn eyes go a little bit, but she would--

- Let's have the party at our house. - She wasn't like the remove, like do whatever you want, but she kind of wanted over at the house, and that was fun, and people liked it, and she was the cool mom.

- Were you overly protective of little sister? Or did you stay out of her business? Were you monitoring what was going on? - No, I mean, my sister was more like embarrassed of me.

“I think me and my sister were so different.”

By high school, she was on honor council. She was like a straight-a student, and she was president of the whatever, and I was starting to cut up a little bit. I was a very good student.

I did very well in school until about middle of high school. And I just collapsed. I had the same trajectory. - Yeah, it was a weird thing. - I think it was going to early rejection from a girl,

like an eighth grade, maybe freshman year, like 13, like the worst time, it's all hilarious and high-size, but you feel that thing, and then I was doing school. It was a rigorous school, and I was getting really good grades.

- Planet E, some training Christian academy. - Yeah, it was kind of a strict school, like small private school. - I was just kind of doing everything to please my parents in a way that just ran out.

I just couldn't do that anymore. I just wanted to have fun. - Do you play any sports? - I play golf and football. - Yeah, I got to a point.

- I was on this math trajectory. I had been on the math team in junior high, and then I started the whole pre-calc thing. And I just hit this moment where I was like, well, I'm not ever going to be a physicist or an engineer.

- There's no application for this kind of life. - Why on earth am I learning this? - And then unfortunately, I just started to play, that's not nearly every subject. I'm not going to be a history teacher.

- Right, I was like, I'm going to live in my car like Jack Gerwatt. - Yeah, I don't really mean any of this. What am I doing?

“- Did you have a game plan on what you thought you were going to do?”

- It was all to get into a good school, all this nervous energy, just trying to get into a good college. Everyone was just really stressed about getting into a good school, otherwise your life was a failure. - Yeah, yeah.

- It was kind of like that hamster wheel of that.

Like you never thought about what's feasible in life

to go do, like you said, calculus, you know, I'm not going to be an engineer, a computer scientist. - That mindset, like if you don't get into a good school, you're going to jail. It's like that.

- It's like that of the two trajectories of life. The stakes were so crazy. - Yeah, you don't have a complete frontal lobe. So literally, you probably can't think about what you're going to be doing in 10 years.

So it's like, oh, the next wrong is college. It'll be a good one, because I'm supposed to go to a good one and then you burn out. - It was definite burn out. - Why do you think you choose Pepperdine?

- To get out of Texas. - I was either SMU or Texas. There was a few other schools in there, but SMU is Southern Methodist 20 minutes from my house. - Yeah, I was like, I don't want to be 20 minutes from mom and dad.

- Yeah, here my mind's sub one of these classes in college.

(laughing) - It would be terrible.

- And never hear the end of it after that.

- You were like, they're not supposed to be candy and pauling. (laughing) - They were the beer. But you don't think there's any back of your subconscious that was like, we belong in California.

I was drawn to it. I forget what trip I took out here at a deep, weird level. It just felt like I've always been attracted to getting out of the bubble and meeting new people in different walks of life, in different stages,

which is one of my favorite things about acting is you always are meeting kind of like weird, interesting people, even if you don't get along. - Yeah, who have left their hometown? - Yeah, exactly.

- I always thought I would go back to Texas or Dallas soon, and I just wanted to, if I could get into Pepperdine, I would get out of Texas for four years, that was it.

“- Okay, so you all ended a few semesters there, right?”

- Yeah. - For people who've never seen Pepperdine, it's almost impossible. You're on the PCH, and here in the highest value, real estate in the world, and you looked here right,

and there are 12 flat acres of grass. Or it's not flat, but it's on a hill, but just beautiful grass in this picturesque college, and you think, who could go here? - On the way to Malibu.

- In Malibu. - Oh, yeah, yeah. - He could put a golf course on the land. I don't know what they bought in the '70s for probably his steel. It's a small school relatively.

It's tough to make it the class. - Yeah, so what happens when you land there, and like the oceans across the street, you go to the beach every day. I met some really great friends in college,

three dudes from Texas, from Austin, and somewhere else randomly, but we got along, and then that was the whole realization for me. You can grow and kind of grow out of what you were to people from like fifth grade to high school in any time.

- Yeah. - It was kind of like a validating thing. I can go make new friends in this new big school and be in that next stage of life. And I got there and I'm like, oh shit,

I don't know what I want to do again. I don't know what I want to do long term with my life. - It's a crime, you don't want to be a journalist. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah.

- I was taking that communication score, like I don't, I love it. - It's great, but I'm not gonna be. - So how do we decide we're gonna drop out and pursue acting?

- I was really naive. It was the one time in my life, my parents were kind of like, hey, you graduated high school a little bit early. Just take a year off, and I was like, really? Is that on the table, which was a nice thing.

And so I took a year off. I was like, valing cars out there at Malibu. It's job freeze on your business job. - I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Very short, valing, right?

- It was like, I'd say, I lied. I said I could drive stick, did not it? - I don't want to drive stick. - Oh, wow. - So you burnt up some clutches.

- Oh, I told you, I saw you and threw. - You've had one of the jobs.

- Yeah, it's shocking to me I never had.

I can't believe I was never a valet. - Yeah, you were obsessed with cars. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And I love driving cars. And I love tips.

“- That's what I was like, it was like a high.”

- Yeah. - And you get to woo a new person every five minutes. - You get to like be charming every five minutes to a stranger. - Yeah.

- Did you love it? Was it as good as I fantasized it? - I loved it, actually. - It was a weird little fraternity. There were like eight dudes who was a hierarchy.

Some guy was like 45 and total Venice, like long hair stoner with dog and the truck. And he was kind of the head guy. And then, there's a tough job to get, I guess. Like you had to go wrong and I was like the runner.

I was running across PCH, like Frogger. You would have to floor the cars down PCH and they're ripping. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - You would turn the grip it back up, park on the opposite side and then run back and forth.

- Oh, my god. - And then you're driving the man. - It was awesome. - I love this stuff. - Yeah, it was great.

- But it was insane. - Oh, no. - I got more geography lessons. - These ages the most dangerous road in California has the most desperate square mile.

It's just circus. - Yeah. - People are doing new turns go to the beach. I mean, some masks. - Yeah, it was bad.

- How many accidents do we think happen? - Hourly. - No, no, that lays. - Oh, I think they're pretty good, man. - I had an accident.

- Yeah. - Yeah. - Well, I didn't actually, it was like a full wreck,

but it was always such a rush.

You would leave cars and pull them out, leave them. Well, I just jumped out of one one time and left the door open and it was in neutral. - I heard it before I saw it. - Oh, it is slowly rolled back up.

- Oh. - And the door, Tommy Boystown. - I forgot what I said. - Oh, shit. - Like slow motion.

- I'm not gonna know. - What did you do? - I knew what it was. - I just closed it. - Yeah.

- Like the guys figure it out. - I know you just got a proclaiming another year.

“- Do you remember what kind of car it was?”

- My saving race was like, I hop back in. I'm like, yes, it's a rental car. - Oh. - What a blast. - It was a blast thing because all these things

have their own insurance or whatever. So I went right away, told the main real guy that ran the restaurant. - So I'm gonna put his joint down for a second. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

- So I'm gonna harsh your high right now. - Like you idiot, go home. We'll deal with this later. But your lucky it's a rental car. - Do you remember where you stoked

when Rad Cars pulled up, did you care? - Yeah, I remember being very nervous when it was like a Ferrari and John's like, get that one, you know, it was like a paddle shift right now, like, yeah, I don't want to do it.

I kind of learned, but it was bad. - That's not the place. - It wasn't easy on the car. - It was a place to practice, but I remember like Orlando Bloom coming in and like hitting me in my knee

I was like, "Good tip" and Kate Bosworth

and I'm like, "Oh, this is awesome." - Yeah, yeah, your ears are here. - Yes. - What a exciting LA John. - It was, it was.

- What other celebrities you see, that's great. - Oh, God, who else?

“- I remember, and I think I've told him this,”

when I saw him like through, you know, you gave me a nice tip one time, thank you. But I remember like, "Shoot night coming through." - Oh, wow. - Weird 'cause he had like punched the valet,

so I wouldn't scare it at him. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Ran of people, it was like Tommy Lee and the male-boot locals at. - Was the old, ah, I held chewy.

Was that actor from 48 hours? - Nick Nolt. - Nick Nolt, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - He's a staple in male-boot. - Yeah, yeah.

- Yeah, he is.

- Did you ever see Robert Downey Jr., never saw Downey Jr.

- Oh, no, no, no, no, he can't tell me. (laughing) - I don't know what he was saying, Johnny Carson, no. - He got male-boot. - Oh, yeah, yeah. - Are you religious 'cause Pepperdine's religious,

you know, to a Catholic school? - It was Baptist, but yeah, so my mom's, that was a pastor and as a reen pastor, I want to say, - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - That's where Jetta and I am, right?

- To law school? - Yeah, yeah. - If you had a girl in your room, revised first pass, like 11 or 11 30 pm, something really kind of weird, they give you

a Demerat, or there's like three Demerats, whatever, I don't know what happens, but the mag light would come through and I'd be caught not in a copper, but it was like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you know,

like a marble. - In college, like, he was in high school.

“- So I do remember that I quickly realized”

there was like small little fraternities, they were just basically a friend group

to actually be able to have fun off camp.

- I didn't know, was that direct? - Yeah, I didn't either. - Tell I showed up. - Okay, was it great money too? - I'm sorry, we're gonna move off a valage soon,

but I'm so envious of this role. - Fuck yeah, in fact, that's another job I could do in retirement. - Yeah, you should do that. - You should do that.

That's better than seven or whatever. - Yeah, it was, I remember feeling so lucky to have the job 'cause of buddy in college, a good friend was older, and he had the job, but he couldn't do it so he kind of like,

hey, I'm giving this to you, it's tough slot. Everyone wants this thing? - Yeah. - It's a great. You knew I couldn't really drive stick, pretty vouch for me, and it was like,

I was in this little cool fraternity, and it was summer time there, and you'd have like a family meal, free meal, like cash. - Can I guess what you were making a shift? - Yeah.

- I'm gonna go with 350. - But then 10. - I wish I could move. - Oh, 350. - Yeah, if I meant 300.

- I wish I could remember, I guarantee you was somewhere around that. But on a big night, I remember going home with some good tips. It was like, it's gonna be hate, it was like a slot machine mentality.

Like what's gonna happen next? And it was like a lot of fun. - Yeah. - And this was 2004 or five. - Summer of '04. - So it's cash, baby, too.

- You're walking with hard cash. - Yeah. - I know, it was great. I was living in Malibu with four other dudes in this house, kind of decrepit like '70s house,

and they're never been updated,

but like we had this cool spot. They were like surfers, and it was a lot of fun. - The reality show. - The good old day, I know. Now I'm like 40, I'm like, was it gonna get any better

than now? - No, no, no, no, no. - I'm like, so jealous of this whole spell of yours.

“- Oh, yeah. - So how do we get from there to 2006 to the covenant?”

- I got into an acting class. - Well, I'm an art class. - My art class. - Exactly, I forget the name of it, but it was a more serious class. A friend was doing acting.

I had done some acting in high school, and I was always sort of artistically inclined. I did photography. I loved it. I painted I drew. And so my parents kind of like, why don't you just get out of your shell,

take an acting class, and I randomly got this very serious, my listener, I knew nothing about it. I just loved it. I loved it. - Watch it. - It was so abstract about coming to the door and the X,

and I was like, what is this? - You didn't feel panicked, like, I'm out of my dub. - I wasn't trying to be an actor. - I was so naive. - I was so naive. - There was no pressure, it was just fun.

- And these kids were in there, really trying. I was like, okay, I'm gonna try and be this good actor within class. I was ever thinking about really becoming an actor. - And did you get an agent from that class? - I did.

I got kind of networking a friend, was like an actress, her manager, I was like, hey, I know this very low boutique, small agency, it was probably more like a management company, it's today, it's a few people, and I went with them. - This is where people pleasing, like people pleasing

it's a bad rap, but this is where it's great, right? 'Cause I wasn't a people pleaser. And consequently, no one wanted to help me, 'cause I didn't avail myself at all, right? - I was trying to act like I knew everything,

and don't help me, and I gotta figure it out. And of course, no one tried to help me, because it didn't seem like I was open to that. I didn't have a fucking agent for like six years, and I wanted one.

I didn't get a job at a valet, I can see the value. You're nice, and it was a great word for it, I mean, no. - Well, I was a bit of a chameleon as well that tried to survive as a kid, you know, you learned it was kind of a survival thing

to make new friends, all the different cities. It wasn't like I was completely changing. I had an ability to kind of connect with people from all walks of life. - Yeah, and I think it's a great thing,

and then so people are like, yeah, I'll vouch for you.

- That's what's tricky about when people are like,

I'm gonna stop being this way, and it's like, we'll also acknowledge none of it's good or bad. This characteristics also got me to hear,

“and so what part do I keep them, what part do I get rid of?”

It's hard to know. - Completely, yeah. And you don't really know that as a kid, even into your 20s, if you haven't really examined it. - So when you end up in the covenant,

you're now like, I wanna be an actor clearly. - Yeah, so I went with this agent, she was great, she did guys, and it was back when pilot season was a real thing, it happened every fall, and she was like,

I'm gonna send you out for some auditions just randomly. And I was getting good feedback, I was very green, but they're like, oh, he's talented and you know, work on this, and I was doing auditions, and I was having fun with it.

I was like part time in school, I was valing cars, living in the house, and then the covenant came along eventually in 2005. You know, it was a real budget, Sony screen gems movie, and at the time.

- So wild. - So Taylor Kitches in it. - Yeah, Taylor Kitch, Sebastian Stan. - Wow. - I named Toby Hemingway, British guy,

we're still friends with, and Steven straight, was like one of the guys too. - Did you and Taylor get on? - We did, me, Taylor, and Sebastian, and Toby. They were my first real friends, yeah, like Taylor

would like sleep on my couch back in when you'd come to LA, and he was kind of new. - Okay, so I only know the lore of him, because I'm an enormous Friday night's fan.

- Me too, I've never met him, and we'll get to that.

- But the lore is he was a trainer, right? - So at that time, was he a trainer, was he already fucking jacked and looking gorgeous,

“so were you not intrigued to go into looking gorgeous?”

Yeah, that's fine, because I'm specifically remember going and meeting them for the first time, and Montreal at the hotel, and we're gonna eat dinner. We all got spaghetti or lasagna, all the stuff, and he kind of was like, looking at it.

(laughing) And he got a chicken and vegetables, and I cut to he's like, absolutely shredded, and like he did his nutritionist. He went to school for two years. He's like, you guys are killing yourself.

- He basically, well, he basically, he hides, I was fine, he introduced us to all this stuff of working out and eating right. It kind of gave us a trainer, so that was like the start of falling in love with working out with the guys.

Like it was fun. And looking back, we were like just shoveling bread and pasta, and we had a reason to get in shape. It was like fun boot camp type thing. - Yeah, and everyone was gonna be shirtless.

- You gotta show off? - It was hilarious, and warlocks. (laughing) - So do you love men's bodies too, like that? (laughing)

- Yeah, I miss the podcast, yeah, you have a good routine, right? You go to the gym and you do the full- - But also I'm just obsessed with other men's bodies. If I were a good painter, I could paint right now. Perfectly tailored, kidches, bodies.

Like I know, I got no bribe hits and bikeline. He showed up, we were like, oh my God, he did nutrition, he was doing modeling it, but he was like really working, and he didn't have a place in LA, but he was full on, shredded and eating right, and whole nine, yeah.

- It's funny 'cause I've kind of forgot that was him because the last thing I saw him, and I think was the wakeo thing. - Yeah. - Where he's laying out in there. - Well, he's not ripped in that at all, I don't say anything.

- So skinny, so that's kind of my new version. - Well, you need to rewatch, Hephanel. We just rewatched it 'cause of our daughters for finding the old enough, and I was like, "All right, it is the best show ever."

- Incredible, and story there was,

we shot the thing, we come back, he stays at my couch for like a month, and he's like, "I'm like gonna screen test for this show." And I had been auditioning for it, and I got a test deal to read for the quarterback

for Jason's history. - Oh. - Yeah. - And I was like, "So excited, I knew he was basically gonna be rigged, and he had to think jump to one more.

I hope, and I was like, "Oh, the idea of we'd just become friends." He was like, "I'm gonna be friends." - Yeah, it's like, "Yeah, yeah, it's moved to Austin." - It's like, "It's moved to Austin." - It's like, "Oh, it's not from, you know."

- I didn't get it. - I've been very bummed for like a month. - Oh. - Yeah, that's a heartbreaker. - That's a heartbreaker.

I remember, that was my first real, like that's a role I wanted. - And you know, the only good luck that's far. - When I go in, I get these things, and then he gets around. - Yeah. - And then I'll work together, yeah.

- We have adventures. - We have adventures. - I was like the most rare situated to become friends with those guys, and we're still all friends. (upbeat music)

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“Did you have to boycott it, 'cause you didn't get it.”

- I've boycott it, things, I didn't get it. - I remember him being back in LA, maybe the summer he had it on DVD, we don't even have those anymore. He had it, he said, "Do you wanna watch?"

I was like, "Yeah, I do, I do." - And watch in the pilot, it wasn't jealousy was foam, it was like, "Oh, I wish."

It wasn't like I wish, death upon everyone.

It was like, "Oh, I wish I was a part of that.

That's amazing." - The wheelchair element, though. - You might have got it so far. - We didn't know. They didn't tell anyone that that was gonna be the role.

- So that was interesting.

“- Did you have any interesting interaction with Pete Burg?”

'Cause I had one meeting with Pete Burg for people that told me he was an actor forever and then he became a great actor and he directed the movie and then the pilot of that show. And I had a general with him one time.

He was like five minutes late and they let me sit in his office before he got in there. And then he walked in and he had tissue crammed in his nose that was just caked with blood. - Oh, he was bleeding.

- And he goes, "Oh, sorry man, I'm late. I was sparring with so-and-so, I'm like, "This is a troll talk, man." He was like, "He's broke his nose and I was in this meeting "and he was just fighting to me."

- And he was like, "I'm so sorry. "I'm so sorry." - And he was like, "I'm so sorry." - And he was like, "I'm so sorry." - And he was like, "I'm so sorry." - And he was like, "I'm so sorry." - And he was like, "I'm so sorry." - And he was like, "I'm so sorry." - And he was like, "I'm so sorry."

- And he was like, "I'm so sorry." - And he was like, "I'm so sorry." - And he was like, "I'm so sorry." - And he was like, "I'm so sorry." - And he was like, "I'm so sorry." - And he was like, "I'm so sorry." - And he was like, "I'm so sorry." - And he was like, "I'm so sorry." - And he was like, "I'm so sorry." - And he was like, "I'm so sorry." - And he was like, "I'm so sorry."

“- And he was like, "I'm so sorry." - And he was like, "I'm so sorry."”

You know, they're going to change that name. - It's a little masculine. - That's a kind of show. - I didn't realize it was a book, franchise, and they had had people that were fans of it. - I'm offended you hadn't been reading me.

Gossip Girl YA. (laughing) - That's true. - I'm reading it. - I was like that. - Then that was back when you'd have to read

for the first couple people, then producers, director,

execs, and then you're in like the conference room with like the stadium seating. - And for people who don't know, you also add at some point in auditioning, they make you negotiate your contract.

They don't let you go and in read for network without a contract, 'cause they don't want to fall in love with you and then you have a leverage. It's a leverage thing. - Well, today's standards, we both know

it's probably not a lot of money, but at 21 years old, when you negotiate that contract for that last audition, and you're like, I'm gonna make hundreds of thousands of dollars if we do. I mean, what was your brain doing at that moment?

- Oh, it was such a high. I remember thinking, I won the lottery. - Yeah. - You did. - You're not doing all the math of the percentage

that everyone takes. - No, you're gonna hit a hundred percent of that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - You think of that number, huh? - Per episode time.

- How many? - You got to just let me drive a Ferrari. (laughing) - Well, certainly in my future. - Yeah, I'm going back to that job.

- Low and behold, it's like the lowest possible thing for six years. But you sign your life way for six years, too. You're not really thinking about that. - I don't know.

- You don't even know if it's gonna be successful. So that's like a pipe dream. - So one cute thing I learned today is that you and Ed, Westwick, yeah. You guys immediately start remaining together in Chelsea.

- How did you meet him so quick and go like, let's move in together? We shot the pilot in April or something in '07, three weeks into York. I'm like, I love New York now.

It's incredible. He was young, he was like 18,

“I remember looking at prices that summer,”

I guess we got to move there. I'm like, how much is it? I'm at least insane. And you just found out you're keeping 40% of what you're making. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

- A little more realistic again. - And we're not one check is coming yet. - And like maybe I get a roommate. - I just text like, dude, you wanna live together? He's like, yeah, sure, like, whatever man,

like, just go find it. And I just tell me what address to show up to him. - Yeah, I married my mom, I'm like, when up there, we saw like three places and I like, I guess this one will work.

- Did he live in England at that time?

- He'd never left his hometown.

I know if he was outside London, I forget the name of it. But he was like in London, area, and he was a mini-peat docate. You know, he was like trying to be in a band. You know, you from Plano him from England. You guys are in Chelsea.

- It was wild, yeah. It was like animal house. How nice or not nice was the apartment? - It started out nice. - And then it was like, what was funny,

it was a, I forgot what they call it, two bedroom convertible. So there's an office. We got out of wall, which is a sheet rock bill. - Basically like a closet.

And I was like, hey, I'll pay a little bit more a month for the first six months to take the mask. - You live in the closet. - You live in the closet. - And I find the place.

- But he didn't propose the place. - I actually did propose the place. And they don't flip you pay more. And that of course never happened. - Yeah.

- Never happened. - Every six weeks.

- Every six weeks.

- Team of Movers. - Every six weeks. - Never happened.

- And it was decidedly disgusting.

But it was so much fun. - You have a calm life on the fun. - The whole thing, yeah. - The whole thing, yeah. - Yeah.

- It was a lot though.

“- Dude, the dynamic of all the people on the show”

because in Florence, you know, teen show, - Sure, sure. - Pot show, all eyes. - So dramatic. So in real life, you're really good friends

with him. I can only assume you guys are living together. - Totally, yeah. - But then there's other, - Yeah, did they feel like you were kidding?

- Yeah. - They didn't actually. I had a good relationship with all the main, like, pen and Blake and Layton and him. We're kind of the core cast.

And we all got along. We all had a break time. I mean, but me and Ed, we would go out. We would go out, shoot pool, you know. I mean, we were like, go out.

We would go out. And they, I remember they had, like, on one of the buildings, a rooftop, which was kinda redone the couches up there and a grill. And we would just bring a bow speaker

and a bunch of beer. And like we would have four reason there. - Were you banging darts, ever? - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- He was a big smoker. - Oh, my God. - All my New York friends smoked your actors there and like you smoked somewhere indoors.

And I never enjoyed them.

- You're a good boy. - But I would hit the butt, you know, get the cigarette thing. I think I'm cool. I really loved it.

- Yeah. - You know what I mean? - You're on a rooftop bang and a dart drink and be on the other side. - Yeah. (laughing)

- How was your ego, though, at the time? It must have been through the roof, right? - It's funny, it does affect you. You know, it's like how a fame always affects you. Can we talk about the moment?

'Cause you were seeing the black keys in Central Park. - Yeah, you got it. - You and Ed. - Right. - And that was the first time

where all of a sudden people are gonna come up to you. - Yeah, there's a very first time. I'll never forget it. - It's a validating feeling to kind of know that what you've been working on is being enjoyed and seen.

- It's the signal of success. - Like I want to see. - I want to see. - Yeah. - You can get annoyed at certain situations,

but to this day, even people that are fans of the boys, they're like, "Dude, I love all the fun things." - It's lovely. - There's uncomfortable parts for boy, it's lovely. Especially when you're young.

- I'm blue, I mean, that was like the show. It still holds up. - I can't watch it. - My memory. - How funny the thing was versus one I watched it

on my own, I inflated it in my mind. - I've heard about it. - I've heard about it. - The Timberlake one was hilarious. - No, my gosh.

- It was a kind of cultural fun on that. - Yeah, yeah. - You guys created a word that word now is in the zeitgeist. - Yeah, after eight years of auditioning not getting anything, it was a rocket ship.

- And so you, in your day, hinted at it, but it can make you an asshole, or it can make you a bit paranoid, and it sounds like you went up the camera. - No, it went out. - How is it affecting you?

- And I'll imagine it's more tolerable when you're drunk. - Right. - It becomes a great companion piece to this new experience. It does. And we're not working all the time.

- And we had the keys to the city in a sense. I remember the first iPhone coming out and being like paranoid about iPhone pictures, which you couldn't even see anything on this video. To be like one pixel.

“- You know, I remember it was the young teenage thing”

where sometimes it'd be a lot of energy, and that was sometimes kind of like, startled me a little bit, you know? - Yeah, you got rabbit things. - Oh, yeah.

- Yeah, I became a little bit rabbit. I mean, it was crazy for a minute. I remember feeling like a bit of a fraud and like a poster. - That's why alcohol helps. 'Cause when you're drunk, your ego gets to inflate.

Now, yeah, I am the ship. But when you're sorry, I don't deserve this. - Exactly. - But when you're hammering, you're like, you're damn right, I'm fucking awesome.

It's such a high, yeah.

You always need the blues to actually enjoy the celebrity.

- That's so profound. - That's so true, I'm just not realizing that. - You're so much more comfortable in your own skin, though, and we would go out. We had other friends in the city.

You were making also other actor friends that you were like flattered by like or other actors around town, starting to hang with you. - A little bit, yeah, Nick's players, and like it was kind of like you kind of making friends

with someone like you had the picture of the match. - Pretty cool. And Sebastian, I think he came on like episode four, five, stand, and like we were already friends. It was like, yes, got another friend here,

and we were all just blown around. We had a great time. It was a lot of fun, but it is sort of like a weird drug that you chase.

“You need to kind of be validated and you're like,”

what is wrong with me? - It's a very heightened experience that's hard to compute. And then it's also quite addictive. And in the absence of it, you feel a big drop. - Right.

- Yeah, if you're out in New York City and fuckin' 40% of the girls at the bar like you? - Right. - 99. - Yeah, probably 99.

- I will tell you 99. - Yeah, man, that's a special experience. Yeah, it was good for a while. - It is a bit empty though. You're trying to keep chasing that feeling

or that high. - Well, you feel it when you're not experiencing. Again, so, right, yeah, kind of like drives you that question like, why am I doing this? What am I doing?

What am I gonna do next? I need to contain this thing that's been created enough. What's my reason for doing the next project? They're picking the next thing. And if it's fame and you're trying to maintain

that, it's a lose-lose. - Yes. - Did it ever get weird on set while you guys were becoming these big stars? Were you guys kinda like, "Do you guys know I'm a big star?"

On set, when they would ask you to do things or you'd have to be there for so many hours you guys like, "Do you know what I am?" All of you, you were all becoming such big stars.

- You know, we weren't pretty lucky.

I feel like everyone was in their own respects,

“very well adjusted, like everyone was cool.”

And you're working with everyone at some point at the characters or a thousand episodes you're gonna sleep together. Like you have like six months with someone, then me and Paner are doing shit.

- Yeah. - To me and Head of Working. So you kind of had my own time with everyone to kind of forge a relationship. They were good relationships.

- I know there's this kind of stereotype of any time you have a bunch of young people on a show that they're gonna be very competitive, but I actually think the blessing of it is, when you're the singular star of the show,

you can really start thinking your shit doesn't sting. But if you're sharing it, you're not this big, special thing. You're all getting fucking heat when you walk out. You're all experiencing it.

So it's like you can't feel so unique in it. That helps. - Yeah, and it kind of all happened at the same time. And then inevitably there is a little bit of, what is this person getting?

When you're young, I'm older, you're just more relaxed with all that stuff. It doesn't really matter whether you're kind of being pretentious or you kind of become self-important. You want to be important.

You want to be the guy. There is a little bit of that anxiety of like what is he doing that I'm not? - Right, I think when it gets dicey, is the summer break.

- Exactly. - It's like, who got what? Oh, they're working on that person. I ain't gotta be doing that too. - Yeah.

- It's not going to work. - It's not going to work. - It's not on your ass and you're like, oh, they're doing like a studio movie. - Eddie Murphy, first year of setting a live.

He's on a setting a life. They go away for the summer break. And then he stars in 48 hours of when they return. He's in the biggest movie of the summer. - And they're all castmates that all started.

- That's a lot to deal with, everyone. - Totally. - How did you, or maybe you did, I didn't follow the drama of it. - Did you avoid getting romanticly involved

with any of these people? - Yeah. - 'Cause I would have done it. - That's where I would have absolutely found it. I would have tried to date all of that.

- Something dated each other? - Yeah. - Okay. So there's things to happen, connections to happen. I mean, you know, yeah.

I never dated anyone on the show.

- Oh, officially. - There's no, I mean, there's a lot of like, yes, stars in people like me, or the show that you'd meet through other friends, even.

“And I remember that was a way to meet people.”

- You should. - Everyone dates people from Mark. - Why? - Why would you not do that in Shobas? - Yes, yes.

- Especially when you're already kissing them. - Yeah. - And you're literally already. - You've already, yeah, but the process of thresholds. - On that, it's like, there's 60 people

why should you believe like I was like, oh, you know, they want you to be sharp. Let's again, it's like the whole other thing, you know. When you're young, it is a different thing. It is like a college experience.

So it's all different. And everyone's kind of single and dating, or whatever, and everyone's sort of up for it, and up for whatever. - And everyone's married.

- No one's married. - Yeah. - Thanks for very low, you know. It is a funnier, more college like school experience, for sure. - You wish you had his life.

- I would have blown it up. Like I'm impressed you navigated it. - I would have fucked up. - I would have been partying to hard-blows to fuck you. - Oh, okay.

- Yeah. - Like I missed the part that you were in Abercrombie and Finch model. - Oh, yeah. - Oh, yeah.

- Oh, my God. - Oh my God. Were you in the documentary? - Oh, no. - I didn't watch the documentary though.

- Yeah. - What have I said? You know what I mean? I said, you get romantically involved with any of the cast members and you go just Kristen Bell.

(laughing) - Kristen at the best job. She was in this room with a mic doing a weekly and that was amazing. - We started waiting the day since she was getting

that offered and she's like, this is pretty great. I'm getting an episodic fee and I think that's gonna be about 15 minutes a week. - Yeah.

- They did it, right? - Yeah, she got for that one too. - So I'd come for that. - Yeah. - And I showed her voice over skills

which took her someplace sweet the day. - Right, right. - No, completely. - That question on that period is how blessed and or resentful do you feel

that you guys got to do that just before social media was a thing? - That's a good question. I feel really blessed, actually. In some weird way, Gossip Girl was ahead of its time

'cause it was about this blog or any kind of was looking at that social media thing in a different way but I'm just so thankful that wasn't around when we were there. I mean, how many athletes and actors,

you know, you tweet something when you're 18, 20, you do something and... - That's what I remember. - That's what I remember. - I probably would've lost everything

if the video thing was real. But the other flip side that is, I wish I'd start an Instagram account when Lash and Kutcher did at the very beginning,

like I would have a million, you know.

“- So that's what I was gonna say, the con of it not mean.”

There are so many people that have been on these shows that they're very zeitgeist and all young people like him but they're not huge ratings hit. People aren't really negotiating making a ton of money but they're making a killing

on their social media, which is a nice little thing that you probably could've also made a ton of money outside of the show had that been around at that time. - I kind of missed a generation like I'm not all about putting myself out through all the time.

- But you've had some success in it. - Yeah, yeah. - Miles Teller dancing and stuff. (laughing) Those are the dollars I get from my will.

(laughing) - It was just a 2020, you know, there's not just one. There's a golf one, you're probably referencing, but you guys are shirtless and masks. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - You know what I mean? - You know what I mean? - I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. (laughing)

- That was pandemic, that was when we all went a little crazy.

- Okay, so when the show ended, I had this very mixed feeling about parenthood ending, which is I also had done six years on that show, like you did six years right, I'm going to say yeah. And I had these two feelings, which was like,

one was I could have done that show for the rest of my life. I loved everyone so much, it was such a lovely work, environment, I had such freedom. And also if I do anything for six years, I'm kind of like, okay, I want a new experience.

“So, right, what were you feeling like when it ended?”

With the gossip girl thing ending, I got super depressed and it was way out of left field, 'cause I felt like I had to move back to all Los Angeles. You probably did need to for your health. - Yeah, no, totally, completely, completely.

But I kind of remember thinking why, and I just invest in buy a place and stay in New York. I'm glad I didn't. But I remember getting plop back in LA and it's like anything else.

Those people become your identity and oh, whether they're family. I realized that became really important to me. The hair and makeup girls you talked to every day. It's a transport guy that picks you up.

It's just that rhythm and that you are somebody. And you mean something in that sphere. - And that schedule's tethering you. - It's like, it's what's allowing you to go be a fucking maniac. - Enjoy at four days, let me, you know.

- Because you click back into the routine and it's stabilizing. - Yes. - I got to spit it back out here and I remember being depressed for six months.

Listen, not like clinically. I was getting out of bed, but I was not in a good way. And I would imagine two or at least in my extremes. You have all these waves of thought.

You first get off the show and you're like,

"Okay, I probably have a lot of options." So I got to choose correctly. And then a couple of months goes by and all of a sudden you're like, "Do I have this many options?" You start recalculating what you're gonna do.

And it can be madness trying to figure out what you're supposed to follow up something like a parenthood or a gossip girl with. People think, you know, you're the star of this show. In the reality of it, in the industry,

it's a double-edged sword. You know, you're like the pretty boy who's like on a CW show.

“That honestly was, you don't wanna see your in the dog house,”

but there is a little bit of that. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That was the reality I was facing coming back because I think you have all of these options and these offers.

- You have an option to do the same thing. - Probably the same thing. - You don't really have an imagination and cast and kind of gotta prove yourself, which is all well and good. But I remember it being limited and not realizing,

oh shit, I'm not getting the looks I'm wanting. And even if I'm getting close to stuff and putting in good work, it's like, oh, it's not a good fit. So it was a bit of wanting to really, really switch it up.

- I don't know about you, but you also start losing confidence. I got to read just what I think I'm gonna deal to get into.

It was a real lesson for the first time of like,

okay, I was stripped kind of of all the confidence. And again, how you going to that room and act confident to get that job if you're feeling, if you're desperate for it. Arab desperation.

And it's those moments of being in this business and industry that people don't see, but you gotta navigate, and that was my first time really now. - And you're also pretty darn young still. Like how old were you when the show ended?

27, eight. That's the age I was when I got on punt. - Let me just, did you have a chip on your show that about the show because I don't anymore, I have nothing but gratitude,

but I had a few years where I couldn't stand when people would bring a punt to me. - Really? - Yes, because it was like, it was a reality show and they would ask me like,

what's it like to act when I was promoting without a paddle and I was like, "I've been acting." - That's the most acting. - That's right.

- But I can convince them real hard, you know? - Yeah, yeah. - And I was just so defensive about it being a reality show and then are you friends with Ashton? I'm like, no, he didn't give me,

I just had all these chips on my shoulder about it. I did too for sure. I would feel defensive, I guess. - Yeah, yeah. - I would just feel like defensive,

“like don't ask me about that, you know what I mean?”

I'm moving on to other things.

But I was always grateful of the show.

It was never the people. - Well that's what I'm sad about is that I had that association with it. Even the first time I interviewed Ashton, I was kind of admitting to that and he's like,

"Yeah, I very much felt that." And I kind of hurt his feelings. - Okay, yeah. - That I wanted to be so distance from this great thing and I did together.

And now, of course, I can go like, "Oh my God, no one gets to be on a cultural phenomenon." And can't believe I'd never had apex gratitude for it. Like of course, I always had the gratitude

that it gave me all the opportunities I ended up getting, but also just due to fear on to something like that one time in your life, that's going to the Super Bowl. Just doesn't happen.

- It's hard to get to that. - Rarefight air really is. But again, you're so scared because you've had that. It's like, "Oh my God, how on earth do I get on another thing "of that kind of whole momentum, right?"

Which is tough. And now that it's had this weird life through streaming, it's had like these nine lives and the same age, you know, fan comes up. I love it.

But there was a time, you just feel like this black cloud, you know, like couldn't get away from and it was hard to break out of that. - By the way, you said with Kristen to it's like, "Every interview I'd get in, they would ask me about Kristen."

- Right. - And I'm like, "Oh, though, I'm only here "because they want to hear about Kristen." And then I was smart enough to realize like, "Oh, when I see Kristen, all they do is ask about me."

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh, the fucking ask about you. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - No evaluation of anything going on. - Exactly.

But now yeah, I can sit and do a two-hour podcast on punk. And I'd be delighted for someone to go through every episode. You're like, "I would love to talk about it." - You do a re-watch. - Oh, I can't really read it.

- I can't read it.

- I can't read it. - But I can't read it. - But that is the most acting though. - That really is the most acting though. - Yeah, yeah.

- That's the real shit. - The commitment, you can't say cut. - Yeah, there's no cut. You either fuck up the entire three day thing and they've been said, "Yeah, the stakes are high."

And it's always like the celebrity

they can sniff that out quickly, you know? I mean, it's high stakes. - If I tip it and go too big. - And yeah, I want to go big. - Yeah, that's my chance.

- Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - I'm gonna fucking wigginship with Nicola Schae. - Yeah. - All that one's hard as I can't do without it.

Like, I'm gonna cut off shirt and what a great episode. - Yeah. - It's due for a re-watch. - Oh, yeah. - It's really it.

- It's so good. - It's so good. - I watched it recently, even after knowing him, I'm like, "It's so good." - It's great, no, but it's not pungged.

- Yeah. - How would you like it? - It's bad. - And it was the best. - Oh, that's really good.

- Walk me through this chapter, right? This is a chapter between, I would say, "Gossip Girl in the Boys." - Right. - How do you keep your spirits high?

Do you find joy? Do you figure out how to recalibrate? Like, what is that journey? - Yeah, that was probably the toughest journey, like the lowest point.

- We think, I basically sort of snap that out of it a little bit, a little bit. And it was just felt so daunting the task of auditioning and trying to get that next thing. - Yes.

- And I will ever get something as culturally rather than as big as the end. I did a pilot, I got picked up. - Oil in, yeah, they changed the name of it. - The best version of it would have been like Yellowstone

basically. - Right. - And as I thought my head, oh, they were gonna want this thing. The guys who created and wrote it were amazing. They all got fired, but ABC won it.

They put on all these new people. We moved to Park City, which was amazing to live up there. Early on, it was like, oh, shit. This was the first time I was like scared. Am I gonna stuck on this?

It was a great experience, but I was a little nervous about it. It was fine to be stranded in New York City

as a young person, but you probably never envisioned

moving to Park City, you told when you left Dallas.

“That's a big part of the job that I think is fine”

to be like, well, I don't know. They're living Canada for seven, eight years. - Right, right. - Right, right. - It's a no matter.

- Leave your life. - Yeah, about a truck drove out there. It was great for a while, but it's a sleepy town. It's not New York. Thank God, I got a girlfriend that was kind of a nice thing.

- Right, they did grow up that we were in the relationship. - Three years? - Yeah, exactly. - Congratulations. (laughing)

- Thank you. - That's interesting, 'cause if you're me and you fall in love in your both out of town, A, of course you're gonna fall in love. You're both a long lane out of town.

- Yeah, you're also playing house. - Totally, it's a good way to put it. - And then you got to return to real life back and forth. I don't know, I think that would be there.

- Yeah, I've never done that fall experience,

but I could see it being. - And somehow we did, we navigated it, and it was actually, into a town, he was like, "Oh, that was actually great." I did 13 episodes of this thing.

We kind of had some worth of winter and park city, it was great. - And then you guys stayed together for a while. - And we stayed together, yeah, yeah, we did. And we worked that out, and that's when I realized I am better in a relationship.

- I'm just gonna be like, "Single Me is not the best version." - In a way, well there's a lot of data to support that. Mary guys live like 11 years long. I mean, it's like, yeah, we're not great on it. - He was like, don't know the doctor.

- Right, right, no, yeah, I realized I need some help. So that was all great, and we're still friends. - What do you do wrong in relationships? What do I do wrong? - I just try too hard.

- Yeah, I love it. - I love it too much. - I love too hard, I love too hard. - Although first, yeah, what do you think? - Yeah, I had this relationship with Rie for nine years.

I left that one, and there's no way it could have been her fall. I mean, she was a great human being. I had to be responsible for a lot of it.

“And I think I had to wear with all, I was like 36 at the time,”

or something, and I was like, we got to figure out what we were doing wrong. - Clearly, I need to break some, I'm probably a bit, I want them to think like me too much. I was terrible about money, I was so bad at sharing money.

I was like, oh, this is my money. You know, it's still a lot of things that I knew. I got to break this the next time I'm in one, which was Kristen. I met Kristen Shea as a Christian, vegetarian,

who live with eight people and had 16 dogs. These are all things I would have normally been like, I love her, but there's no way I can hang with all this other stuff. - Right. - I'm laughing because she does.

- She does. - She does. - But I didn't have her challenge and they're not religious. - Well, the funny thing about life. - You didn't control it.

- But you want to, though, we get past the honeymoon phase and you start to try and change the other, or control the other person, and just small ways, even. - I'm guilty of that. - Yeah, and it has the veil of being gross and controlling,

which certainly it is, but really it's about safety, because you're like, right. - But no, man, if she feels this way and I feel this way, I'm scared that we can both hold these conflicting opinions and still be a unit.

Underneath of it, some weird fear, don't need to be more aligned in order for it to work. I don't think it's entirely disgusting in premise. - Of why you're acting away, it's just like,

“well, how are we gonna, I remember we had a fight one time”

about like, if we had kids, we're gonna raise them with religion. - And after that fight, I think I had a wise person in AA tell me.

- I'm sorry, is she prying that, and I'm like, no,

is it, so why are you fighting today about something that you don't even know is gonna happen? - You think it's gonna change? - You're living so far in the future. You guys are having to fight about something in the future

that is so out of touch. - Right.

- And then I never brought it up again, right?

- But you'll worry about those things before they happen. - What are my biggest things is, I'm like a bottleer, passive aggressiveness is a big problem for me. Like I'll hold on to things, and I won't communicate them properly.

- You got a little vault, yeah. - And you can pull out one necessary. - I don't run to the hard conversation. It'll turn to a fight and it's about something else. I'll realize, oh, it's actually about all this.

So there's stuff, I'm so sorry. - And you were holding on to six months of shit. - Yeah. - And so that one comes out in the fight. It's about like a cup left on the table.

- You know what I mean, it's so stupid. And then you're like, oh my, yeah, I'm so sorry. It says not. - You know, but that's one thing for me.

“- So that's part of the people pleaser thing, right?”

Like will you lose her affection by having these issues in this relation? - It's out of fear of things are safe. Don't rock the boat, don't do anything that could jeopardize.

- And these are just kind of now piling on your stasis. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're all little things until they're not, right? - 'Cause they're not a lot of fighting in your house growing up, or was they're fighting?

'Cause I think it could go either way. - Some of both, really. I mean, my parents are really young. I can't believe they even got through that time. - I know.

- I can barely, I have a dog now. - 40. - You know, it's like I felt, you know, 20 with two kids, but they were amazing. Yeah, and they figured it out.

- Yeah, med school workload and two little kids. - Yeah, I can't imagine that. - And your mom's living somewhere and she didn't wanna live. - Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, she did not, like put those chains on that van.

She's in our city, yeah. (laughing) - So it's not like you grew up around it so you are emulating it or trying to avoid it. - Right, I guess it's in relationships.

“You need to run to the hard conversations.”

No one wants to do it. You gotta have the hard conversations soon or rather than later, and that's just what you need to do. - And is your move to shut down? - Yeah.

- Get quiet and distant. - And wait for her to figure out why you're hurting. - Exactly. Resort to being like, the child you were with your parents. - Yeah, yeah.

- That's really what it is. - Yeah, I really don't know what my God. I'm doing what I did in my mom and it's all that stuff

and you've always gotta be aware of it.

- Okay, so good. So the relationship I'm presenting, that was an identity outside of acting. - Right. - That was forward momentum as a human, building a life.

I imagine those three years bought you a little reprieve from just you sitting there contemplating your career by yourself. - Completely. - It was an actress, it was very much a great support system.

It was also in a weird way. This isn't the only reason I was getting in relation, but it was to prove to myself I was capable of being in a successful relationship. - Yeah.

- So I was motivated to be a good partner and boyfriend. You know, and I definitely failed at that in many ways, but I need to like grow up a little bit. It did facilitate that. Well, learned a lot, you always do, right?

- Was it hard for you to let go of the fun nights out and lots of options? - Yes and no, I definitely still stayed at the party a little too late. I was still like having fun with the guys

and like going out and stuff probably could have shut that down a lot. Sooner I still like that fun, but now I'm like, I love home, I love cooking, I love being in a relationship.

- You see with miles. (laughing) - With a love of white bread, yeah, that was embarrassing. But that stuff just gets tiring after a while. - You just get old and it gets less fun.

- It gets less fun, it affects you a lot more. - Your body will tell you. - Yeah, yeah. - And the illusion, again, I'm a novelty secret. So it's like, right, it has the appearance of a novel night.

But if you really take imagery, you're like, oh, I did the same thing over and over and over again. Even if I hook up with a new person, it's the same thing. There's really no surprises.

- Exactly, and you feel like it's gonna be this thing. It's never what it is. For me, it was a bit the revelry of it. Being with friends and the drinking,

it was always kind of like this high of revelry.

- Yes, the socializing aspect was tough for me. - Stay tuned for more armchair expert. If you dare. - I just had a thought. - Yeah.

- I love the intimacy you could have with other men while drunk. - Right. - I just craved that and I loved, I show up with a six pack and then now,

I can say I love you. - If it's just so down, I craved that intimacy with men and drinking gave that to me.

“- You don't even realize you know that's what you're looking for.”

Or what you need in your life. And you'll find a lot of them, friends, that you're just friends within that bubble of parting, or whatever it's bringing, right? And then that disappears and it's okay, it's tougher.

- Jack London, the writer, he wrote a book called John Barley Corn, I don't know if you ever heard of it, I've not known. - But it's this very, very honest book about his relationship with drinking towards the end of his life. - And he was a poor chord, L-callock by the end,

where he had to wake up in the middle of the middle of the middle of the night to stay asleep. And it was, I think reading that book that occurred to me, oh, that's what I was kind of craving that I loved, is he just talks about the intimacy at a bar with males

and how without that, he could've never had that.

He couldn't get there without that, right?

- Like that real conversation with that. - Did just the intimacy, - The depth of a relief in your emotional, - That's true. - And seeing your fears to another man

and all these things you just dare not do, right? - Sober with another dude. - It's so hard to get there, if you feel like it's hard to get there if you're sober, yeah. - Yeah, I do, right?

- A is a hack for that, it's like you kind of force to be with these other moments. - It's crazy, we need that, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - We all agree, let's sit down for an hour

and be real as fuck, yeah. It's like why we're afraid of, and we fucked up in our relationship, but we were brought about our parenting. It's like, how are you doing that?

Unless you're hammered at a bar at two a.m. - When I left New York, all those guy friends were still in New York and I didn't realize I was doing a lot of that just to have those connections. And when all that kind of goes away

and you realize your home, I was like, I really don't have that many friends. - Real friends, yeah, yeah, you gravitate to those guys who are going out in the revelry of that and connecting with those guys.

- So where were you at? Optimistically just before the boys happens? - How are you assessing what the future

“of your life is professionally just before the boys?”

- It was dark for me, I mean, in my mind, it wasn't really, you know, I know I was probably in a place that a lot of people would love to have been. - Sure, you weren't on Taylor's couch, but there is that,

what have you done for me lately type thing and keeping up with the Jones is like, what are these guys doing that? I'm not, you know, it's all that. - You've seen everyone you know on Billboards all day long.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And there's that anxiety there that I don't get even if I'm working in Toronto that you kind of relax when you're out of LA, you have no clue what's going on.

- Sebastian's getting like nominated for them. (laughing) - What the fuck? You can be happy for them and still, you're like, "Oh, when are I going?"

- No, no, completely. - But I'm in a different place now. I'm almost 41, but I'm much more relaxed. But early 30s, it was just a doom loop. What am I gonna do with my life?

It felt like there was nothing that was ever gonna happen again. - Well, you're 34, probably? - Right, so I've been year 32 probably. - Oh, okay. And I think I turned 33 the year that the boys happen.

- I'm reading it and not getting that many good,

“you know, again, people's casting imaginations limited.”

I was getting all these things. It was more the same. I didn't want to do and I read the scripts of the boys. I was like, what the fuck is this? - This is amazing.

- I would imagine, too, there's a little bit of a gift in it, it's such an enormous swing.

I can only imagine reading that first script,

'cause that shows so much about execution. That script, the boy, it goes so long. - The odds of it being executed in the way it was is like a 1% chance. - Yeah.

- So I also imagine getting that script in a while, this is really cool. And also, if I don't get it, this is probably gonna fail. Like, I could be liberated by what a big swing it is and not get overly worked up about auditioning for it.

- Awesome, I'm like, how are they gonna do this? Like, how are they gonna make this thing? - A guy is getting miniature and going in a guy's penis that's floating the whole body. Like, how the fuck is that?

- I felt like a shot at the moon. Like, is this too good to be true? Am I tripping? Like, this isn't sane. And are they letting us do this?

- It goes so hard. - Yeah. - But I did feel, I was like, this is hilarious, I was like, I know this guy, this narcissistic, unself-aware asshole

who's in a therapist couch talking about. He's only friends is the local lobster. Like, that was the audition scene. It was like a monologue of this thing. I just felt connected to it and like everyone is reading for it.

And yeah, it was a great audition. - Okay, so I'm gonna be dead honest with you. Your fear is a little bit grounded, right? Which is like, I only know of you as an actor on gossip girl at that time.

And I never watched gossip girl.

So I just filmed the blanks of what gossip girl is. - Yeah. - And so I had this wonderful, shocking moment when I'm watching the boys. And maybe Kristen said it out loud first.

Or she's like, fucking chase is so good in this. And I'm like, yeah, this dude's fucking awesome. It was like a huge revelation to me. I was like, well, this dude has gotten no vanity. Yours, the butt of every joke.

And you are just fucking driving straight into it. You're not protecting yourself at all. - So where you gotta play that character? - It's the only way to do it. But a lot of actors would get vain

and they would just blink enough to go. I want you to know I'm in on it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's very tempting to go. I want audience and I'm a little in on it.

I've always appreciated in the women.

“And I think of like, Margo Robba, even on SNL,”

she's not afraid to go there and to be crazy or ugly and for comedy. The way to go about is have no ego about it. I think even Anthony who plays Homeland on the show came into it and had the same thought about me.

Like, this asshole's gonna try and alpha me out. And it is just not the right way to play it. So we had a good time on that show. - Yeah, you're so goddamn good on it. - It's very impressive.

Yeah, you're fucking great. And then your body, oh my god. (laughing) - Oh my god. - Oh my god.

- Oh my god. - Oh man. - Do we ramp? We ratchet it up, the training for that? - I did.

- What was the approach? - No pasta, no more fucking up and can't eat and spaghetti.

- You know, I'll never do it again.

- Oh my god. - I got so excited for this role. I'm like, I'm gonna get shredded or jack. You know, just for fun for me. - Of course.

- And I don't know what the soup's gonna be. It was sleeveless, whatever. They didn't give us a trainer.

I was like, wait, I'm gonna do it on my own.

- But I did the keto thing for six months. It was good for like a few months. And it was brutal after that. I just stopped it. - I know people think it's vain in everything,

but the sensation of having control over that. - I was just about to say, it gives you control in a way. It's a healthy, I was able to channel my obsession, kind of into that without going overboard. And it was a lot of fun, you know.

I'm like, have time to do that too. If you're an actor and you're not working, or if you are, but if you're off,

“it's the only way to like, structure your day, I feel like you're lost.”

- A workout or something. It's mentally for me, like, yeah, I have to do it. - There's a lot of great performances on that show, but Anthony's is a fucking outrageous. - A outrageous.

- It is outrageous. - When Chris and I watch this up, we love the fucking boys so much. We're like, the fact that this guy isn't one, every single Emmy is absolutely insane.

- It's insane. - He's been nominated once. - Bickable. - And yet he has these turns where I feel bad for him. - And he's funny sometimes.

- He's hilarious. Man is that a performance. And so I'm at a restaurant like six months ago, and I see him and then we're like, "Hey, we stand up when we hug."

I'm like, "Oh my God, it's so great to meet you finally." And he goes, "Yeah, yeah, since New Zealand." And I was like, "What's he talking about?" And he goes, "You know, I'm without a paddle."

And I always said, "Oh my God, if you remember,

you watched it for the reunion." - I know. - But we have a dead friend. The whole movie's about our dead friend, Billy Newwood.

- Yeah. - He had played Billy. - And he knew what he was like, "Guys, you know what I'm saying?" And I'm like, "Oh my God, but I've seen it." And I'm like, "Dude, nothing could be more out of context."

- I make it with New Zealand 20 years ago. And yes, now, of course, I realize that. - Did he show the dead boom? - They show me, yeah, yeah, in that, like, our flashbacks.

- He used to be like, "I'm wearing another jacket "and we're like young and cool." - Right, right. - He was, he was. - He was from his family.

- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh wow, different than homeland. It's great. - Where did the guy who created it,

“his name starts with the K. - Eric Kripke, where did he come from?”

- He came from supernatural, I don't know, that show, "Chents and Acles" and Padlecki and Jets with our show as well. It was great. You had a long-ass run that show, yeah.

- Civil War guy, what was his name? - Yeah, soldier boy. - Soldier boy. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's got spin-off, they're doing, yeah, they are.

- Yeah, they're gonna spin-off. - That's a great character. - Like a prequel. - I don't know all the details, but yeah, it's good. - Are you so excited you get to play

kind of like a weirdo? So against what people think about you? - It was so refreshing to me, we had a day, like fourth episode. They had a full series order because of Seth Rogan and Evan Goldberg,

like they were behind us, they got the fourth order. - Yeah, yeah. - I'm like, we're middle of the show. I think people are gonna like this 'cause I was like, you know,

squirting down the dolphin, like talking to some inanimate dolphins in the back. And we're moving to the van and like, and he's over there, like in an airplane, not saving anyone 'cause he's like,

"Oh fuck you guys, it was amazing."

We're like, "They're people gonna like connect with it." - And people really, totally weird. - So he came from supernatural. - And we're Seth and Evan around it all. - They were actually, they didn't come to set that off

and they would be at the press up, but they would send me emails like, "Do this one line you add a little bit of keep replaying." And like, they were watching, oh, that's really cool. Evan would like email me sometimes

and they were just super fans of the show. They were really are like comic book fans of the heart and they just wanted to like do what they love. - Now did they have you in mind

“or did you have to really win them over for this?”

How did you get it? - I don't know the entire Genesis of it. I remember them landing on, they won a cast, people that aren't all their famous friends, basically. - Right.

- So they wanted to read everyone for it. And Krypton was in every room for every single, I think some ants think. I think antsy was in news in, made some tape and they were like, "We want that guy."

I remember going in and it was like 60 people. I saw the thing, I realized I'm like, I'm last the day. - What's the worst name you saw on the list? And I don't mean they're bad, but you're just like, "Mom, fuck."

- Like actors you know, you mean? - Well, I'll give you a sample. I remember going in for Baby Mama and I'm sitting in the waiting room and he's next to me, James Corden.

And he's telling me they just flew him from London for this call back. And I go, "Well, I'm done." - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - The thing grand to bring this guy from London here,

but there's these moments in auditions where you're just like, "I'm dead." - I remember recognizing some names, some friends, who were like, "Then they weren't actually in the room." 'Cause I was like, "Last."

I remember being upset. These people aren't gonna, it's like a Tuesday. They're gonna be 60 people all day. - Yeah. - And I didn't even realize that Krypton

was gonna be in the room at the time. I didn't really know maybe he was like the creator. Or maybe I knew he was like a producer, but I remember being just irritated and that's kind of the best in some times the best state to be.

- Yeah, yeah. - 'Cause I can kind of don't care about that. - You just don't care, you're not, don't know how this air of like, "Hi, nice to meet you." - Yeah, I can't get it now.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I remember as before the holidays and like, they're not gonna be gonna remember this. They're gonna go on a hiatus top

and they're gonna keep re-casting it,

bring it back in from million different reads.

So I was literally the last person in there and I was kind of mad, just kind of went in there and did it, and I kind of hurt Krypton, Chuckling in the corner and then he was like, "Okay, try it." Do it like, you know, kind of fill me a few improv things.

- And you're the lobster, was your lobster thing, right? - And then it was that, and then an intense scene with Starlight Aaron's character. They changed it in the pilot, in the real pilot with what I actually do, which is a crazy thing.

- sexually assault her.

- Yeah, that wasn't in any of the pilots or anything.

- Okay, they were holding that.

- Yeah, they were like, "Hey, this was like a big storyline "jumping off for her character in the comics "and we're actually gonna put that back in." - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - And you're like, "Oh, wow, like, oh."

- I remember being very nervous. Me too was going out, I was like, "Oh God, this is terrible." - Yeah, a lot of people were like, "I'm not playing that. "I don't wanna play that."

“- I remember being like, "Okay, I'm just gonna own this.”

"We're gonna talk about it and talk about it "so we can get this thing right." And they did, they took it with very, great care and five's nervous as all, you know. They bought that airing and like,

"Oh my God, what are people gonna say? "Is that gonna be the right timing?" - Yeah, and now we're gonna be a big joke, either. We were making fun of it. They did it in a very real way and it was dark.

That was kind of the theme of the show. Like you don't wanna meet your heroes.

- The way they handled the tonal shifts on that show

is the blame. It's like, you get every single thing you could want in a show in that thing. - Perpise Genius, yeah. - You're bringing back so many audition memories.

- Thinking of sitting in the room, I can say, I've been numerous occasions like, I have an audition where I'm gonna have to cry and I'm like, "Yeah, I can't do that. "Yeah, you're right." And you're sitting in here and guys, three feet away,

divided by a paper door. And this guy's balling and I can hear it. - Yeah. - And you're like, "Oh, I'm so flung." - That's the paper that I like.

- You wanna leave, you guys, and just get up and get in. - No, that's gonna be good when you're like, so I'm making a different choice. - Yeah, yeah. - It's a choice.

- It's a different choice. - It's a different choice. - Crying.

- So I'm gonna do this other thing.

- True, right. - That's very hard to do also. It's like a train British dude, of course. - You're arc on the show. - Yeah, you sexually assault someone, terrible.

- Then you gotta rehab your public persona. And you join this very Sciental GS church. - Amazing, yeah. - Luzure autonomy in there. And then they pair you with a wife.

And then she ditches you. And then you find love with an octopus. - Yeah, they're better.

“- And they're bent, like have you pushed back, ever?”

- I imagine after season one, they've built now some confidence with you, like, Mothers and motherfuckers can pull off anything. So I'm told now I can go with God. - You enter like season two, just going like,

"Oh, yeah, I'll fucking snorkel beer out of someone's ass." - I'll do anything they say 'cause they can lay in the plane. - Yeah, I mean season two was rake. 'Cause they had this mushroom tea thing and I was tripping with the gills and talking.

And then I thought that was so great. - And funny, but then season two, well, Krypton called me up and he's like, "Did you see him like my octopus teacher?" - He's like, "Yeah."

- I'm like, "Wait, where are you going?" - Did you see him like that guy who's like, trying to fuck the octopus? (laughing) - Kinda.

- What are you talking about, man? It's like, "That's your storyline." - Oh, my God. - I remember being hesitant, but then he was like, "No, no, no, no, but it's real."

Like, he can't connect with humans. That's like your safe space and you keep her, like, in a tank, in your closet. - Yeah. - It kind of makes you feel like a secret

and she's like, "You know, you're so clever." - Oh, he's like, you're reading poetry, and he's just brilliant. - You fucking didn't clean her tank, - Yeah.

(laughing) - Not only now, let her be in the tank about your bed, but like, it's so lovely, yeah, man. - Well, people can't see. - But she's sitting in there in a murky-fuckin' suit, too.

- Oh, it's true. - You know what, it's kind of like, when people fell in love with their slaves. - Much doesn't send them kind of things. - Well, no, like, really when people fell in love

with their slaves, but they were still enslaved. And it was like, "You're over there, but I'm gonna," yeah, I'm maybe able to cut that. - Yeah, we'll probably do that. (laughing)

- I make a decision. - Yeah, yeah, you'll decide. - Hopefully you're in a good bed. - But also, my chalons, I'm very interested in as well. - That's a different one, my chalons.

- But also my chalons, I'm very interested in as well. - That's a different one, my chalons. - But also my chalons, I'm very interested in as well. - That's a different one, my chalons. - That's a different one, my chalons.

- But also my chalons, I'm very interested in as well. - That's a different one, my chalons. - That's a different one, my chalons. - But also my chalons, I'm very interested in as well. - That's a different one, my chalons.

- That's a different one, my chalons.

“- Oh, thank you, that they had to do that. I don't want to be. I don't want to be. I don't want someone with CT. I'm just always on the lookout for CT. I just think it's everywhere. I think a lot of people have it.”

- She thinks 60% of them. - You might have it, but also, so I'll hate to tell you. - Yeah, we can. - She is looking to many guests in the face and say, do you think you have CT? And there could be nothing serious to evaluate, is whether you're not earbuds for her. - That's not my chore. - Maybe. - Thanks for suggesting that. Yeah. - She should get that really checked out. - I did this in my temper at the grocery store yesterday, so yeah.

- Exactly. - I've been volatile recently. - Yeah, yeah. - Now, I hear that it's the biggest show on-prem. Do you have any sense of how big it is? I want to know. - I want to understand. - I don't know, too. I guess they don't release the numbers. They say it is. - It's a very global show. - It is. Which was kind of shocking, because humorous to one thing they want is like a global show nowadays, and it was shocking, but our show, the humor crossed over. - All people are discussing, and it turns out. - Everyone's a dirt bag.

- Superio genre was saturated with the same formulaic storyline. At any time the show comes out, there is like an influx of people, like, you know, flight attendant, like, "Oh, my God." - You can tell people are watching it, even in Europe to Brazil, like people are crazy about the show.

- It's a good feeling, isn't it?

- No, they're so good. - Yeah, they're so good. - I'll say though, even internationally though, it's more gossip girl stuff. - That was hugely syndicated, right? - I sometimes turn it on for a little comfort show, like, we get all the background. - 2009, you got people's summer's hottest bachelor. Did I?

- You did. I would be both extremely flattered and, like, that's so specific.

“Did you have to make up this category? - Summer's, yeah, yeah.”

- How many hot people? - People's summers, hottest bachelor's, such a specific, or... - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Congratulations. - 2009. - Yeah, my heyday. This is unfair on me, but what happened with footless? - Why were you rehearsing for that? - Oh, yeah, that was an interesting story. - Yeah, what happened?

- I remember really wanting it, it was Kenny Ortiga, who's amazing. - I remember telling them, I can't sing or dance. - It was an interesting challenge because they're like, no, we're going to learn into this thing. - And they're like, we're going to fly you out and do a big screen test. And I rehearsed for it a little bit, but they were just kind of testing out if, like, it was even trainable.

- You know, everybody took it out like, basic body, where it was. - You're continuing to do a body assault. - Right, and I had a whole day of that. And what was funny about that day, they put in this reader to read opposite me, a female actress. And she was really good and natural and we had you lunch and she was cool from Kentucky as Jennifer Lawrence. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - She was so happy.

- As the reader? - Yeah, as the reader, and she was like 17, probably hadn't even done that first time. - When she's been. - Then I had done Winters Bone, definitely not yet. - But I heard me really cool and I was like, "Hey, thank you for being there with me all day." She was like, "Yeah, I know it was really good and whatever." - But I remember as Jennifer Lawrence. - That's so funny. - So I did that and I felt good about it.

You know, Kenny Ortigas, I was great, you know, doing this thing. And I think they want to go to a totally different direction at some point that had a new director. Like, "Oh, but you're still going to be the guy." I had signed a contract that I didn't even know with this men pair play at the time.

- Oh. - So that's my dream. - Yeah, I never had ever since.

- I don't know that. - Get paid, whether you do the thing or not. So I remember being kind of irritated, it didn't work out because I liked the new director Craig Bruce seemed to be a cool guy and they weren't like maybe darker with it. You get it, they hired, I forget his name, but he hired a real dancer. I remember doing a screen test with Julian Huff, that's right.

And she was phenomenal dancing and she got me there and she made me look good, drugged you along. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's going to be great. I have fun with her doing that screen test, but anyway, I remember like, "Oh God, that's great." And I got paid to do it.

- Oh, I felt like I'm like, "I probably would have not been able to dance." - Right. - But you go, "Why is that hurts?" Because it's like, "Oh my God, they don't want me so badly." - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - No, totally.

I remember playing with it. I was like, "Oh God, I paid enough to not do this thing." But I don't have to sing in dance. - I got out of my dance. - I got out of my dance. - I got out of my dance.

- I know. - Why would they do that? - Because they need you committed and then likewise, they can sue you for that money if you don't show up. So it's like it's a mutually assured annihilation situation. - We want it. - But the only time it happened to me where I was really great is I got fired from willing grace. - Really? - Yeah, episode of willing grace in a table read.

- Come on. - Yeah. - That's crazy.

Because they always tell you you're not going to get fired at the table read, but it happens.

- I know, for instance, they kind of begged me to do it. I was like, "It was too busy. I'm doing this show." - You know what I mean? - Friends with Sean Hayes and finally I'll do it. All the comment and just get fired at the table read. - Yeah, that's so bad.

- But they were like, "You know, of course they're going to still pay you." - I was like, "Okay, that's kind of cool." And then that same week Netflix called them. They're like, "You want to be a guest judge on this cooking show and it's X amount of money."

“So I just remember that day being on their meal, like, "Oh, I'm getting paid for willing grace right now."”

And this cooking show. - Or Dow. - Fuck. - I finally got my dream come true. - Yeah, double tip. That's great.

- Great. We share in common that we've both been directed by Lake Bell. I love Lake Bell. - Oh, thank you. - You're amazing.

- I'm sorry yesterday. - Did you? - Did you? - The best. - You had to go to her auction. They next time she does this auction.

- I love to. - Okay. - I love auctions.

I never missed an auction.

- Well, they were right. These people that told us. You're a fucking champ. - Yeah. - Yeah, season five obviously. Just sort of daring.

- This came out. Yeah, last week. - So exciting. - I know you've already been asked this.

“And I think you're smart in saying that the deep is a tricky character”

to try to have his own show because you need some kind of redemption. He's not a fun character if he's redeemed in some word way. - Right, right, right, right. - But with all that said, how do we keep doing the deep?

- Man, I'll tell you, I pitched them a spin-off. Like three years ago, Kevin and Pripyat. You know, I like loose pitch. Like over, like, like Emia, maybe it was in person. Like it was, I mean, a hindsight.

It might have been before Barry, but it was like, what if he's like a shitty actor. He's kicked out. And he's like a dealin' stack. You know, trying to do like some really.

- I funny. - Be movie, but it was like, you seem shooting the bad movie. They dropped like thunder, but it's like Barry. It was kind of all over the place pitch. - Oh, they were trying to come to L.A.

and we'll make fun of the industry type of thing. And they liked it. I got, yeah, I've been like, you know, now it's like no one's open in the walls to do many things. But how do we keep them? He doesn't have to be fully redeemed,

but it would be fun to like do half-hour comedy. - All right, we probably have other plans,

I don't hate the idea of you playing the deep

in your free time.

- You're gonna be a president.

It could be like anyocracy. - That's good. Yeah, yeah. It's good.

“- Yeah. All right, we'll chase what a delight.”

This has been so fun, everyone's right. Let's your man. And everyone should check out the boys. Since here, if you don't watch the boys, I'm talking to you that said they had a fucking Tyler outside.

- I don't believe Tyler. - The Tyler on it. - The Tyler on it. - What do you hate to lie about that? - I would love that.

- He has your fans, man. No, thank you. - Oh, George. - And then our friend. - Anna.

- Anna. - She loves it. We got screeners and I tried to give him to her. That's illegal. I didn't work anyways.

So she was pissed. - Yeah. Leave that in or not. That'll be like with the slavery thing, whether he or not.

- Okay. I'm gonna decide now. (laughter) - Got to say it. - All right, great meeting you.

It's me, too, man. You're luck with everything. Thank you, guys. (upbeat music) - I sure hope there weren't any mistakes in that episode,

but we'll find out when my mom misses Monica, comes in and tells us who was wrong. (upbeat music) - We were just discussing what you're... - Neffy, right?

- Yes. What my nephew will call me? - Yeah. 'Cause the girl's called Carly T.T. - Yes.

Which is so cute. - And is her permanent name, though? - I know. - I forgot her name's Carly sometimes. - Yeah, I call her T.T.T.T to her face.

- Yeah. - It's so cute. It's so much more endearing. - Exactly.

Nick names are always better than non-nick names.

Sorry. - Well, Matt always, but she... - Well, if they're mean, those are slurs. - You do occasionally mean someone you're like, "Oh, that's your nickname."

- Really? - What's your real name? Like Blaze, Gunner, Gunner. - Oh, guys, those aren't nick names. - Okay.

- Okay. Those are like, uh, pseudonyp. Those are like, they took that on as their person. - Number four? - Number four?

- Number four. - Um, but a nickname, a shortened, or a cute version of your name, or something people call you, to be to love you, is so. It's the best. - Best.

- Dad, I cherish dad. - Yeah, that's the best we've done. - Yeah, that's the best we've done. - Yeah, that's the best we've done. - Yeah, that's the best we've done.

- Yeah, that's the best we've done. - Yeah, that's the best we've done. - Yeah, that's the best we've done. - Yeah, that's the best we've done. - Yeah, that's the best we've done.

- Yeah, that's the best we've done. - Yeah, that's the best we've done.

- Yeah, that's the best we've done.

- Yeah, that's the best we've done. - Yeah, that's the best we've done. - Yeah, that's the best we've done. - Yeah, that's the best we've done. - Yeah, that's the best we've done.

- Yeah, that's the best we've done. - Yeah, that's the best we've done. - Yeah, that's the best we've done. - Yeah, that's the best we've done. - Yeah, that's the best.

Well, thing for you and I to have is a bit that in public he called me daddy. - Oh, I would. - What an unhealthy work in my mind. - Exactly, exactly. - In front of the guest.

Do you want your coffee daddy? - No, you're ready for coffee. - You're ready for coffee. - I'm 51. - And you're 12 years older than me. So you're 13 years older than me.

- Look, he's 37, I'm 51, that's 14. - But you're January. - Yeah. - Although. - I'm June, I'm almost 13. - Yeah, June. He's pushing you.

- January. - Okay, I'll have a funny story. - Oh, great.

“- So, you may remember that I was asked to go speak”

at Delta's class about Malala. - Yeah. - Yeah, which was a little stressful because I'm not an expert on Malala. - I certainly did my research.

- So, she did a report, right? - They had a whole section on her. They have read it. - So cool. - Maybe both of her books and, you know,

they really got into everything that happened in Pakistan. - Yeah. - And then so Miss Brown who I love, shout out Miss Brown. She invited me to talk about Malala.

And then, of course, they evolved into, like, the boys asking me what sports stars we interviewed, which was hilarious. - That's so funny. Is I funny on the spot.

I couldn't think of any one. - Not Brady. - Well, I got to him. - Okay. I didn't mind you.

We've had so many. I couldn't remember. - Yeah. - And he brought it. - Oh, whoa.

- I was just like, one of the was like, "You're over interviewing sports." - Yeah. - So boy. - Wayne Wade.

- Yo, yeah. There's been a million. But I did. I was like, oh, yeah. Well, I've done a lot of, and I'm like,

I've done a lot of NBA players. I know I've done some NFL players. And then I go, "Oh, Tom Brady." That's the one I came up with. - Okay.

- In this kid, literally. - I think she could say some mobiles, but she won't come on. We would have said it. - I'd remember her the most.

- Yeah. - But this, well, I said Tom Brady in this boy. Shot out of his chair. He couldn't sit in his chair. He said, "You're going to do Tom."

Like, it was so funny. Anyways, that was that. - Yeah. - I did that. So Lincoln's whole seventh great class

is doing a whole segment on, for, I think, literature or English, whatever. - Sure. - A whole segment on podcasting. Like, for, I guess months, they're going to--

- They're going to be easy. - I'm going to talk about podcasting,

“and then I think they're all going to make a podcast, right?”

- I ain't. - Oh, she has such a leg up. - Well, so when-- - I'm hoping to-- - One of the teachers said, you know,

would your dad be willing to come in and talk? - Yes. - And then so Lincoln asked me and I said, "Yeah, of course."

So it was approaching.

And then the night before, Lincoln was such a ball of nerves,

as I totally understand. I mean, the notion of one of my parents coming into my seventh grade, I just-- - And you're alive, why are alive? - I'm alive, why here.

But I just would have been terrified. Like, you know, for so many reasons, like, hey, I hope they think they're cool. If they're not, I got to fight everyone. Like, if you think my mom-- - I know.

- Now, I got to fight everyone. - Then you want to, like, make fun of you. - Oh, it makes fun of my mom. Everyone's dead. Okay, so anyways.

So I know it's stressful. And I'm already honored. She's even opened to Lincoln. I guess that says a lot. But the night before, she was like, okay.

You cannot wear those-- you're like colored Levi's that have a hole in the back. - That's fair. - And I was like, okay. - It's inappropriate.

- It's-- you cannot wear a headband. And I go, okay. What do you think they were going to think? You know, I like to poke. What do you think, you know?

- What did you-- what did she say? - She just-- don't wear it. - It's drawing too much. - And then I said, okay, well, I'll just wear it. Because you cannot wear a hat.

You can't imagine when I go with this list became of things I couldn't put not wear. - Yeah. - It was it all aesthetic base? Or was it like, you can't say this?

- No. It was all aesthetic. Well, okay, we had this bit going. This backs up a whole week. She-- she-- they think goodness.

The teacher urged the students to write how questions like last week. - And so Lincoln said, I want to hear, like,

“what are your answers going to be so one of these questions?”

And also, I don't know why we've been watching a good deal of British stuff. I don't know. So I said, um, okay, let's workshop this. And you'd be Lincoln in this situation, okay?

This is a week ago. - Okay. - And I said, asked me how many episodes we've done. - Yes. - Mr. Lincoln's dad?

- Yeah. - How many episodes of your podcast have you made? - A thousand. That's a lot. It made.

- It made. - It made. - It's a lot of episodes. It made. - What do you think, it made?

- It's so aggressive and loud. - Why do you get so loud? - I think what made it so funny for both of us is if anyone might do that. You know, there is just a thin threat of that.

That's what makes it good.

Of course, I would never do that.

But she has seen me act bizarre enough that I'm sure some tingers like Jesus is he think he's going to do this and I'm going to laugh. - Yeah. - Yeah.

- So I keep hitting her with it in it all week. And then I am told all these things I got to wear. Okay, so then you and I recorded someone. We had to record someone earlier than we normally do. So that I could get there.

That's why we did it. - Oh. That makes sense. - Yeah, we had a 10 a.m. - I know what I didn't know why, but I figured

it was just coming. - Wasn't yesterday. Two days ago. - Two days ago.

“- Okay, so I left that interview and I think”

I was wearing a hat. I don't even know what the hell was going on. But the point is I went upstairs and I put on like all the appropriate approved clothes. And then I got in front of the mirror.

And Monica, I have never threaded over my hair. This much, in my way worse than if I'm like on my way to Kimmel, which I do my own hair when I'm on a talk show. I was in there like, fuck.

She said, I was like, wrestle on with it. And I was like, fuck, it does not lie. - It's so important. I don't embarrass her. - Oh, it's so cute because this, yeah, I imagine like,

if I'm putting myself as a little girl, my dad's coming to class. And I'm like, oh, my dad's on his way. He's doing not, just don't, don't. But then now cut to however many, you know,

20 years later since I'm so young. - Yeah. - That if I heard that he was like worried about his hair, but because I said that, like, oh man. - Yeah, yeah.

- How did it go? - Oh, so it was not just her class. You know, it was the entire seventh grade. - Oh, how many people? - Um, 88.

- Okay. - Yeah. So, first of all, I got there, greeted by one of the teachers. They're also awesome.

- Okay. - And this is so lucky. I'm just a delight at the school. - Yeah, great. - And of course, they want to know everything.

They want to know what kind of show it is. It's the interview show. What makes a good interviewer.

“And then they want to know the mechanics of it, right?”

Like, you record for how long, what's the editing process like all that comes to. - Uh-huh. - But at any rate, they did open it up to questions.

And again, this is the incredible.

Like, I can't even compute what happens at this school, because it's all girls. - Oh, that's important to say. - It's all girls. - Yeah.

- We want to end after another boom. But every girl had a question. There's so confident. And there's question, question, question. It was really, really fun.

And Lincoln sat in the directly front row in front of me. - Uh-huh. - When I said to her, I'm like, I thought you were more like a burnout. Like I was, I thought you'd be in the back row trying to hide. Now, she was front and then I took a big swing.

- Uh-huh. - Uh-huh. - What'd you do?

- I got asked.

I can't remember the exact wording of it.

“But I got asked, like, have I ever gotten really emotional”

and one of the interviews or something like that? - Oh. - Wow, that's an astute question. - Yeah, but it was a little, I wish I could remember the particular.

So, however the question was, it led me to, and as soon as I started talking, I was like, this is a disaster, but I'm pot committed, I've already begun talking about it, which was Dove Cameron.

- Oh, they're going to buy your mom. - No, uh, just as bad. I said, um, is anyone no Dove Cameron? All of them no Dove Cameron. - Okay.

- Right. - Well, they should start listening. - Well, they're looking young. - That's good. - I was going to, how many do you convert?

Like, honestly, we need them. That's the A. - I'd say you have this 88, maybe six or M. Yeah. That's pretty good.

Pick up six listeners. - Okay. - So they all knew Dove. - They all knew Dove. And, um, I'm explaining me episode, and...

- Well, they're not happened to film. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Oh. - The father died by suicide.

- Yes. - And she thought he didn't love her. - Yeah, it's horrifying. - And then she found this box. - Yeah.

- And he found this baby book. And then he had written my best friend. - Yeah. - That was a sad thing.

“- And then as I'm telling it, of course,”

I'm back in the moment that I totally broke down.

The first time we heard the story.

- So, yeah. - And then here's the biggest... This could have been career ending for me as a parent. And I said, and I was very emotional because this little person's my best friend.

- Oh, and then what? - That could have been really embarrassing for her. - No. - And... - And...

- She looked at me and smiled so fast. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. And then I wrote home and I got another helmet. And then I came back and I picked her up and we wrote home together.

And she said she was really proud of me. - Oh. - I'll tell they went well. But high stakes. Again, I don't get nervous to go speak in front of people.

And I was very nervous. - You should, yeah. - I'm glad you took it seriously. - They're only complaint was the way I was calling on people. I got a little too animated when I was calling on people.

You, oh my god, great. Back row, you know that I was getting pumped. - Oh. - And especially if someone seemed shy, I was like really trying to...

- Oh, that's the worst. - Celebrate them for... - The worst. Because they want... - They're already nervous and then they want to speak.

- Okay. - Listen. So we had that day, the interview that we did in the morning, that you were just coming from, was also a very... - I told them about it.

- Oh my god. - Because as we have our interview to Killer. - Well, that we can't tell people that. Well, I guess we can't. Guys, there's an interesting...

- I'm not an interview to Killer that I know of, but one hour ago. - Yeah. - And I told them that. - Okay.

So that episode... Okay. Also has any parent like reached out. Like, "Hey, please don't ever." It was a little inappropriate for you to bring up...

- I was debating those things because I got into real dicey. I did paint myself into a corner really quick. I have like a panic. Because they asked me who had one interview that's dead. And I was like, "Oh my god, we just had this kind of debate on the podcast."

And all of a sudden, I'm saying I'd interview Jesus. And this is a Catholic school. - Well, that's, they probably like that more. - But I was saying why I want interviews. I'd love to be able to look.

I'm gonna see, like, "Is this guy really..." - I was just honest. - You said that? - I did. I said, "And then I realized later after I'd given that answer that I had just assumed I'd be talking to him in English.

And I remember this guy doesn't speak English. I'm saying all of this in front of it. And then in the teachers are around. - Oh God. - Oh my God.

- I said, and then I realized how he doesn't speak English. And then I said, "But then I realized, "Oh, well, that would be the proof. If he magically just started speaking English." I was like, "Well, this guy really is Son of God. I said all that."

- That's crazy. - It was an hour and 40 minutes. - Okay. - That's a long time to get me talking where I'm not gonna. But the teachers did not mind it.

I was like, "Check it in with them a little bit."

“And I think they were just like, "Yeah, we're here to debate this."”

- Okay. Well, that's cool. Did you mention John Bene Ramsey? - She was an important part of that conversation. - I did not bring up John Bene Ramsey.

- You know, there was a girl about your age. - Yeah. - Boy, I want to look out at you guys a minute. I can't help but think of. - Yeah.

Okay. Well, that's awesome that you did that. - I'm just basing in on Lincoln's hip. She knows what's going on. - Yeah.

- And I'm just granting the rest of them the same like cognitive aptitude as hers. - Yeah. - But it's not okay.

I wouldn't say what I would push back a second on.

They can be smart and thoughtful and curious. But a lot, there is a wide range of how exposed that age is. - There's a wide range. - But I don't, they're all watching Netflix. They're all listening to the news.

They know what's going on in the world.

They know there's martyrs.

But people do and don't believe in God.

Like they, they're not eight year olds.

“And I just, I always hated being panneder to.”

- I know. That's what I'm saying. You're doing some projection because you, you hated that. - Possibly. And also some percentage, yes.

- Did you bring up anything sexual? - Nothing sexual. - Yeah. No. That's, it's an all girl school.

I'm an old dude. No. I was somehow, I think, goodness. - I didn't say anyone was hotter than you. - Oh my God.

- Not the students, the guests. None of our guests. I didn't say anywhere. - Yes. - You know who's the sexiest guest we ever had?

What have I said that? - Oh my God. - I know nobody asked. - I know nobody asked. - Yeah.

- Nobody asked. But I know you're thinking. - Any idea? I am, I am a firm believer in the fact that the kids are no way more than you think they do.

- Yeah. - And it's okay to talk about things. If they get to see murders and stuff, then we can talk about everything. - I guess that's true.

- I think the whole, like, - No one's being paid for the kids. - No one's being paid for the kids. - No one's being paid for the kids. - No one's being paid for the kids.

- No one's being paid for the kids. - No one's being paid for the kids. - No one's being paid for the kids. - No one's being paid for the kids. - No one's being paid for the kids.

- Stay tuned for more Armchair Experts. If you dare. (upbeat music) - Well, what's problematic about Armchair anonymous. I just, you know, I say like we do a show.

I was explaining Monday's Wednesday's Fridays. You know, talking about our workflow. You know, interviews with listeners. - Yeah. - We don't have a single prompt that's really cool to tell them.

About Armchair anonymous.

- Well, we always talk about dicey water.

- But they're all listening. - Well, the funny thing is, is that is the show they would want to listen to. - Yeah, exactly. - But I wasn't really free to promote it.

Because again, the topic, I wouldn't have felt comfortable. - No, you just say, well, because there's one topic that pops in your mind all the time. But the way of others, it's like-- - The evacuation.

- Yeah, you don't have to do that one either. It's like-- - All I could think about when they wanted to know what the show was about. It was just all I kept thinking about is the guy who cut his own penis off.

I was like, don't tell that. - Your brain does that. You're like, fucking whatever you do do not mention. It's like the second that question is asked. I just thought of that penis thing.

I was like, and that's all I could think about. It's don't say that. - Okay, well-- - Okay, well--

“- Would you with that story have popped into your mind?”

- No, never. I guess I would have been like, oh, tell us about a bad job interview or tell us about a meet queue. - Oh, yeah, we do have a nice one. - Yeah, definitely once you could have said--

- Yeah, water parks is this week. - Water parks. - Water parks. That was a great thing. - But then nasty stuff happened at the water park. - Well, you don't have to tell them what happens.

There are really funny stories. - That all end nasty. - People who loved them. People you're age tend to listen and love them. You just, you just give them the links

and then have them click. In fact, so Lincoln is running for an office at school and I haven't told her this yet, but when she wins, I hope maybe like, I'm just like, hoping she's in charge of the announcements or something.

Okay, and then she can play Clip and slowly convert. - Okay. - A whole school. - Yeah, yeah. - We got to think that you're like this. Exactly. - You're truly--

- Got to think ahead, like-- - I look out of that audience of young ladies and I was like, these girls got it. Like, there's such bad asses. - So cool.

- I was in the audience. I saw myself. She was in the dead back row. They got to have a question. I have two questions.

One was legit. And she was second question. Why haven't you interviewed me? When are you going to interview me? And I'm like, oh, you're going to do

as when a Nobel Peace Prize is. I got to see it open for you. - So she's fine. - Later, second round of question. - Right back at it.

When am I going to be on the show? - Oh, she didn't know that the-- - Okay. - I'm like, this is me. Am I going to have me?

- Yeah.

“- Is this like you can get along with her?”

- Yeah. I asked her about her specific way. I'm like, I like that girl on the back row. And she's like, yeah, she's just got, you know. - Problems.

(laughing) - No, no, no, no, no. She-- (laughing) - She's considered--

- It's not bad kid.

- And I guess we had this, but we never said it this way.

They have friendship groups.

- Oh, yeah. - And they're like delineated.

“And everyone knows what friendship group”

they're in. And then there's migration. Like someone will try to join a different friendship group. And then they'll sit together and stuff. - Yeah, lunch.

- Yeah. So that, yeah, was not in her friendship group. - Right. - Which is not decision. - Like her, yeah.

- Yeah. - She doesn't dislike the people not in her friendship group. - Yes. - It's complex, man. - Oh, I remember her well.

- They remember-- - I remember it. It still exists. It still exists. It's actually really funny because I have a few new friends

which is weird. You know, as an adult, it's weird to have new friends. - Yeah. - And I have a few new friends. And like, they have friendship groups.

And I have a friendship group. And it's like kind of weird to like-- - Cross-pollony. - Yeah.

- And I guess it just never ends.

Like you're like, oh, but would they like me? - Yeah. - Well, because, you know, the podcast I'm currently obsessed with. - One of-- one person's in that podcast? - Well, Aaron and Sarah's podcast.

- Yeah. - They're friends with one of my new friends. - Okay. - And it's so strange. - Are you going back unless you are?

How many-- like, what's your routine? - I don't know. - It's like every night. - I feel weird about it. - Yeah.

- I don't want this to get back to them. But they will because we speak clear freely. - Uh-huh. - But-- - You're like peak obsession right now.

- And I know what I know. And this is no offense to Aaron and say. The podcast is great. Very-- I mean, obviously, I find it extremely enjoyable.

“But what I think is like, oh, I'm self-soothing somehow.”

And I don't know what-- I don't know why. I don't know what's causing that. - Yeah. And why that's the South? - Yes.

I think it probably has to do with moving into this big house and being by myself. - Okay. - Maybe that, like, I have friends around in quotes. - Uh-huh.

- Around my house. You know, just like, makes the house more lively. - So you have it playing throughout the house, and you walk from ring the room. - Yeah.

- I have that ability. I have speakers, but I just don't hear anything. - Don't hear anything. - I do know how. - Okay.

- But I have found myself. I just carry my phone around. - Have you ever put this-- - Yeah. I do for music.

I do my friends over. - Yeah, but maybe because it doesn't feel like they're with me if they're in the wall. - If you're not holding them. - Yeah.

- And it's interesting. - I think it's an old staff, if I could. And I don't know the show. - Yeah. - What I know is--

- And I say South. But I just-- - South. - I say South. - I know you make a bit of a little silence.

So, I don't know what to write. - Probably you. I always tell you. - No, probably you. - So, I know Aaron and Sarah.

I've known Sarah for 22 years, I guess. And I like both of them so much. - Yeah. - And so, just let me say that. - Yeah.

- I've never listened to the show.

So, I don't really-- I have no position to have this opinion. But I'm going to have it anyways. You know, they're very popular girls. They're like popular girls.

“And I think your staff was like, friends.”

Friends is very hot popular kids. - Yeah. Yeah. Well, you mean people who liked friends or the friends. - The friends. - I mean, they're hot and popular.

Every of the whole America loves them. And they have got great style in the new hairdo. - They're so weird. I was like, Phoebe's a weirdo. And, like, Ross is a paleontologist.

- Oh, yeah. - Hot one. - I think they were every of them. Very popular. - Okay.

- It's certainly not sign-filled. Where it's like, you've got Castanza and Richardson whatever his name was on the-- - Yeah. - Creamer.

- Creamer. - Okay. Here's the-- here's-- I don't think I agree with you, but I-- I tend gently agree with you. - Okay.

- Okay. - In that-- that what I was so attracted to with the friends is their intimacy, how much they love each other unconditionally,

how, like, safe that group of people was. - Yeah. - And I wanted that so badly. Potentially Aaron and Sarah are doing a similar thing. I know-- I mean, I'm coming up with this real time.

Maybe because they're sisters, right? So there is this just like-- - Unbreakable bond. - Bond intimacy that nothing-- I mean, they're mean to each other.

You know, they're really, like, kind of sometimes, I'm like, oh my God, this is wild. - Yeah, they talk to each other, like, siblings talk. - Yeah, and I don't have-- I mean, obviously, I have a younger brother, but I don't have a sister,

and I definitely-- I always wish I had that.

So maybe it's a little bit of that. Like, oh, I wish I had this. I mean, I have friends, but it's not the same. - There's a lot of things you'll have in life.

You're not going to have a sister.

- And that's the thing.

“There are a lot of things I can make happen for myself.”

- Yeah, I don't want to limit you,

but I do want to tell you you're not going to have a sister that's your age. - And last-- - What could happen? - Separated a birth. - Oh, reunited?

- Yeah. - What if Nurmy called you? - Like, I heard you and I get-- - Monica? - Hey, that was pretty good.

- Thank you. - Whoa, that was pretty good. I don't want to hear any more. - I know, I knew you didn't want to. (laughing)

- Well, we're going home to see her for Mother's Day. We can. - Oh, nice. - Yeah. - Oh, one last thing.

- Last Friday, Lincoln had the day of school. - Uh-huh. - So, we went to the go-car track, and we were on our way home from the go-car track, and we were on the most fearless boulevard.

And I said, "Oh, look, here's Monica." We're coming up on Monica.

I spotted your car from 100 yards back.

So, we were definitely coming up to get next to you. And it was what timing that the universe smiled on us because right as we were catching you, an ambulance was coming through the intersection. So, you were trying to get over in the right lane,

but I just slid into the right lane. And the look you gave me, real time, and Lincoln, I were both staring at you. And you like, turned and you fucking, you're like, "What the hell looked with your eyes?"

And we were laughing. - I know. Then it was you guys and I, then I laughed. But I was still like, "Go!" Like, the ambulance is trying to come.

- Yeah. - And it was fine. The ambulance went in the other way. - It really stressed me out. - It wasn't in our lane.

It was in Monica. - I know, but still. - You were doing what you're supposed to do. - I was like, "Who is this fucking asshole?" - Yeah.

- And it was your friend. - And also, preventing me from getting over, and it was you.

“- How much do you think seen her little face smiling?”

- Of course. - Of course. - Yeah, it was just me and I was waving. - No, I also, I mean, once it was you, I was like, "Oh, they're fucking with me."

- Yeah. - So it was, I would have still been what I was, so what would have left? - Okay, I got it. - But I also was like, man,

but like, what if they don't get to what if someone dies, because the ambulance didn't get there because DAX wanted to say hi to me. - Yeah, that didn't happen. Nothing happened with the ambulance.

I love how rare your car is,

because I always know if it's you.

- Yeah. Do you know my license plate? - No, it don't need to. - Okay. - Yeah, because no one has,

I've never seen your car in that color. - Really? - No. - I've seen it a couple of times, and I always like, I like that. - All right, well, I mean,

- DAX? - Well, it's just a fax. - Okay, yes, this for Chase. - Chase Crawford. - Chase Crawford.

- What a likable fucking guy. - Very likable. - Oh, so likable. You can tell you, no one is gotten along with everybody. - Yeah, got a lot.

We had a lot of endorsements from people. - Tell the audience about, - No. - Okay. - Wow, I thought that would be some you would share for sure.

- Fine. - Okay. - There is a scene and gossip girl, I forget what season. And it's not like that sexual of a scene,

but he's in a car. Well, they're making out, and they're obviously like, they're either post-quid or just, they're just messing around.

- Yeah, yeah. - In a car. - Oh, okay. - And this older woman. Oh, maybe that's.

- Oh, wow. I predicted that I'd be a cougar one day. Anyway, when I used to watch the show, I loved that scene, and I would watch it multiple times,

because I thought it was so hot, that he was so hot. And like his hands on her, and I thought it was really hot. - He liked how his hands were doing.

- I love hands. - Yeah, what are you gonna do? - What can you do? - What can you do? - Yeah.

Anyway, speaking of, when was Zegers, your friend Zegers Kevin Zegers on gossip girl? He was on from 2009 to 2011.

He was in 10 episodes across season 3 and 4. Damien Dalgard. - Sounds very rich. - Yeah, he was a bad boy. - Would he play a rich bad boy?

- Drug dealer.

“- Zegers is now a full-blown cowboy, do you know this?”

- From his show, right? - Well, I think that's where it started, but now he's a genuinely, he was just gone for like four days, not for the show,

not for money to help another rancher. - Oh. - He was concentrating bulls and roping and doing the whole thing. - Oh, he loves the whole thing.

He's doing like the shit that's gnarly. - Wow, good for him. - Castrating, no thank you. - Yeah, definitely not good for, I don't know. - Yucky.

- Oh, Colin Balls out there. - Ew, why do you want to do that? - He thinks he's like, "I need to be more rugged." - No, I think he got a bug for it.

Like he enjoys it. He got invited, I think, from Taylor to go do this, showing cutting horses, they can separate out one cow from the herd.

So they're really agile,

They kind of get into this back and forth.

They pick a cow,

“and they try to separate it from the herd,”

and the cows train to get away from it.

So the horses constantly going left, right trying to outflank them. Like he's covering them in basketball. So to stay on that horse is pretty wild. Like it's, you gotta be a good rider to be a,

right in a horse cutter. - Oh. - And so there was showing horse cutting horses. I presumed to sell at some auction or something. In Zegres was demonstrating the horse cutting on this horse,

and I watched the videos like, "By God, he's really fucking doing it." - Horses are having a moment. Oh yeah, you rode horses. - And I caution people to use you.

- Yeah. - Be careful on them. - And Zegres, I guess, is a cowboy. - Cowboy. - And that untold on horses.

- Uh-huh. And Clooney's beer is all about horses. - Yeah. - And Sarah Foster has a horse. - She does.

- Yeah. - I know that it's named this Rolex. - Uh-huh. - How much did Pepperdine buy that property for? - Mm-hmm.

- Pepperdine University's Man 138 acre Malbu Campus Land was donated in 19th. - And I'm gonna take one second. - 138 acres on the PCH. - I know.

- Okay, go ahead.

“- donated in 1968 by the Adamson Ringe family.”

- Mm-hmm. - That's the best way to get property. - Exactly. - Okay. - Wow, 138 acres right there.

That's worth $4,500 million if it's just flat. I mean, if there's nothing even on it. - Wow. - How many deaths per square mile on the PCH? It says, while traffic safety data for the PCH

is generally measured in fatalities per mile or total crashes rather than per square mile. The 21 mile stretch of PCH through Malbu has experienced a high concentration of fatalities. With roughly 61 deaths reported over the 15 years

leading up to late 2024. - And no one cares, but I said it briefly. And the opposite.

The problem is, is people are parallel parking

on either side of this six lane. There's a middle turning lane. There's two lanes. People are going to 60 miles an hour. And people are making a U-turns across all five or six lanes.

It's to find the beach parking spot. - No. I don't particularly, it's probably the worst stretch for motorcyclists. - The movie that Chase shot in Turks and Cacos,

I'm not sure. But it was probably ripped-tied. - That would make sense. - And then there's also long loss sun. - We went to Turks and Cacos.

- We did. - Yeah. - Loaded. The haunting of Molly Hartley. I'm just reading a lot now.

Like a lot of his credit. But I kind of think it was ripped-tied. - It makes a lot of sense.

“- What makes sense is a movie called "The Mountain Escape".”

- That would be Turks, but you never know. - You don't know, but that would make no sense. - Be a never know. - Okay. Now, not to do this.

I don't love doing this.

But I do feel like I have to.

- Okay. - You're about to correct me. - Yeah, I'm not going to. - Go ahead. - Okay, so it's Abercrumbian fish.

- Oh, that's fine. - Okay. - I actually am happier. I don't know the real. - Well, no.

Now you know it right, you can say it right. - What is it right? - Fish. - Fish, not fish. - Well, now I'm worried about it.

- Oh, my God. - Fish is a bird. - Yeah, fish. - But what the fuck is Abercrumbian? - Abercrumbian fish.

- Yes, great. But what is an Abercrumbian? - They're probably people's names. - I don't even say I'm saying it right now, but normally you should know,

I don't say Abercrumbian. I think Ambercrumbian. - Oh, you do you know why? - I do say Ambercrumbian fish. - No, and fish.

- And fish. - Ambercrumbian fish. - It's Scottish surname. - Okay. - Okay.

- Well, no disrespect to that family, - It's a cool thing. - It's a cool thing. - I think it's a cool, Abercrumbian. - I just am impressed someone was like,

"Yeah, we'll call it Ambercrumbian, friends." - Well, no one's calling it that because that's not what. - And everyone was like, "What?" And they were like, "Yeah, it'll work." - And it did.

- Yeah, I was obsessed with it. That's why I knew I was right, but then I said, "I can guess." - I'll tell you when it back fired. - It's a third.

- It's dangerous to name something, something people can't pronounce. - But most people can't pronounce Abercrumbian. I'm sorry. - I don't know. I've not seen the data or the data.

- Are you there? - Yeah. - I know Zithera was a real struggle. - Zithera? - The third.

- The third. - The third. - The third. - The third. - The third.

- Well, also because Zithera is like, well, it could be Zithera. - Yeah. - We're saying Zithera. - Exactly.

- And then once they found out they were saying it, they're like, "Fuck it. I can step up to the ticket window. There's six movies. I know I can save the name of this one.

I'll save it." - But part of me is like, - It over here, so. - Just like, just say I want that Z movie. Like, why would you let it stop you?

People have such big egos. Okay. - Okay.

- Married guys.

You said live 11 years longer.

- I said that. - Yeah. - And I don't know what. I was being facetious. I think they live longer.

- Yeah.

“Studies show on average roughly two to eight years longer than unmarried.”

- Then you had daughters into that mix. You could hit 11. - Huh? - Daughters every. - That's different.

- For only for men, not for women.

Every daughter that a man has on average. - I don't know what the process is about. - I don't know. - Like if that data is affected by people who have daughters. - Yeah.

- Okay. - Now he accidentally now I'm going to do it to him. I have a crumbian bitch. He accidentally said season two twice in a sentence.

“And I think he meant season three when he was talking about the octopus.”

- Yeah, that sounds right. - I mean, the epic octopus scene is in season three. - Right. - So, yeah.

- Oh, who did they end up hiring for photos?

So, I think Kenny Wormald. - That sounds right. - He played, um, yeah. - Okay. - Kenny Crumbian bitch, he's a real professional dancer.

- Kenny Wormald, or Wormald. Um, and the director's Craig Brewer. He might have said Craig Brewer, but I think he's said Craig Brys. - Oh, okay. A lot of things in this fact.

- Oh, one thing I want to make clear. Um, I look my mouth looks kind of weird in this episode. - Oh. - That's because I have a loss in gym and mouth because that was during my coffee tech period.

- Okay, the season of coffee. You're coughing era. - So, that was lost in space. - Okay. - I don't want people to think I had like weird boat talks.

- Right. One of our episodes just aired where my style was very, very evident. - Oh, yeah, that was quite evident. - Yeah, you could see it. - Yeah, for sure.

- But, you know. - I mean, I don't... I live. I just don't like the connection with pink eye. - I know, you're...

- Just pink eye makes you think of pooping your eye. And I don't have any poop in my mouth. - No. - And I didn't then, and I don't now. - Yeah, I had a style from stress.

- I know, but also like... I don't think I would have thought it was pink eye. - There was a moment where my eyeball was like beat red. - I know. - Okay.

- And then, it's green pink eye.

“I even think someone said, I think my sister said,”

"Hey, oh, you got pink eye?" - Oh. - Like, no, I wiped my butt with toilet paper, not my hand, TT. - But sometimes you still could get poop particles.

- I can, but yeah, if you're other people. - You're the one that sticks your finger up your butt when you shower. - Okay, so yeah, you've said that aloud. - Okay, that's it. - Love you.

- Love you!

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