Laufey

I'm Dad Shepard, I'm joined by Monica Padme. - Hi there. - Hi, today we have LaVe. - Yes. - We have LaVe, she is a two-time Grammy award

winning singer and songwriter and what was so special.

“Is we got her right between her two performances at Coachella?”

- I know, we got her right off the presses.

So we got to hear about how that first experience went.

- Yes, and then added bonus, she brought her identical twin sister. - Oh, it was so fun. - We love twins. - We love twins.

We have twin experts just coming out. I mean, it's really in the zeitgeist. Our albums, everything I know about love, be witched, a matter of time, and a new deluxe album out now,

a matter of time, the final hour. She also has a children's book out now, called "May May the Money." - Yes. - Which we'll hear about, yeah,

"May May gets a little nervous before a big performance." - Or she does. - Please enjoy LaVe. (upbeat music) - Guys, are they really twins?

- identical. - Ooh, we love twins. - We do it. - We kind of obsessed with twins. - Yeah, we have so many questions.

- Well, we've had a twin expert on, and of course, you're probably yo, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, you should. - It's interesting.

“- Personally, you should watch all 1000 crystals.”

- I've seen all one thousand. (laughing) - I've seen all one 1000. - One one. - No, there's all kinds of mind boggling things.

You know, twin separated at birth, identical twin separated. - Oh, yes. - Just study is about personalities. We don't get to do that with many people,

but with twins. - Yeah, you're really good. - You're really good. - Experiments, subjects. - Oh, totally.

You could cut like a scar on our knee. - Track how we heal, like we could just do that. - Yeah, lots of you. - So we put one of you in Amazon with the same cut, and one of you, in Iceland, in Ding Ding,

and see where you healed better. - Yeah. - Or there was one in Brazil, Columbia, where two identical twins were born in the same hospital, and they accidentally switched one from each.

And so a pair of twins went into the country, raised in a very rural environment, and then other pair of twins were raised in the city, completely different kind of parents, one was wealthy, one was rural.

But when this all got unveiled, and they realized, oh no, you were an identical twin in your twin is in rural Brazil. When they got together, despite being raised in those dramatically different environments,

they were almost the exact same person, and same with the other two. - Wow. - So, it's just, I don't know why I'm doing degrees. - Right.

(laughing) - Right, that's all I'm gonna do. - I don't see those studies where they show a twin that like drank more or more. - Oh, yeah.

- I think we're worse for where,

and I always think that's gonna be me.

- You're gonna be the one that looks more haggard. - I drink, and Larry doesn't drink drink. - Ooh. - So I feel like I have. - I don't know.

- Just because I'm on like a continuous tour. - Yeah, you're like, I just want to take some of that. - It's not like a choice to appease the above. - If you'd like your brothers, you would be drinking much more and smokey much more.

You went in smoke.

“- You think my dad's right? - Yeah, I think so.”

- What about pranks? Have you guys done pranks on people? - The pranks are super underwhelming because they haven't shocked anyone. One time on April Fool's Day,

we were like, okay, we're gonna swap. - Yeah. - And we swapped, and we were in two different classes. So I went to her class and she went to mine. - Oh, this is okay back in school.

- Yes, and her class watched a movie. - So I watched a movie, and my class had a pop quiz. - No. - Oh, so she got screwed. - Yeah, but also you got screwed. - No, she got to watch a movie.

- I know, but you're going to hurt her, like shitty grade. - Exactly. - She got the last laugh. - Yeah, she did. But no one noticed, and then when we told people, people felt like a little embarrassed

'cause they wanted to treat us like human beings, which is sweet. - Yeah, yeah. - So they couldn't laugh, right? - Oh, okay.

- They were also just like ashamed in embarrassed. - So it wasn't like a gotcha moment. It was like, oh, you heard this movie. - How we react by treating them still like human beings. - Oh, wow.

- Don't you agree? That's kind of how it would. - Yeah, people were too woke to laugh about getting twins next up. - Oh, that's a study.

- We should always be able to laugh.

- Yeah, which is the gaggle. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - We put that effort in. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah.

(laughing) - Okay, so I'm most curious right out of the gates. How mom and dad meet 'cause moms from China are dead from Iceland, how do they meet? - So my mom's a violinist

and she got a place in the Iceland Symphony Orchestra.

So she, for some reason, was just ready for an adventure decided to move to Iceland and be the one Asian person in Iceland. - How did they meet? - I don't know the exact story, but Iceland

is a very small community. - Yeah, I'm sure my dad just saw my mom around was like, wow, she's so cute. - Yeah, yeah. - I went a couple summers ago.

Very, very small. - Did you get good weather, bad weather? - Great weather. - Really, okay. - Yeah, I mean, it's in the city side.

- It's really, really personally, like if people hated Iceland, I'm like, I will personally take them back and walk them around the country.

“- Okay, but have you ever heard someone say they didn't like Iceland?”

Have you gotten that feedback? - Yeah. - You have. - Iceland's an unpredictable beast. You know, if you're going and you want to see a rainbow

behind the waterfall or the Northern Lights, and there's just like a orange weather warning, the whole time. - Yeah, that's something. - What's an orange weather warning? - I forget the exact levels of it,

but there's like a yellow warning orange warning. I think there's a red warning to just different levels of how fucked you are and how much you cannot travel around the country. - 'Cause of snow, blizzard.

- Yeah, the second it hits any type of warning,

it's like, get off the road. - Okay. - Which doesn't stop anything. - Now, here's something I could see someone complaining about.

And we were blessed, privileged. We had great blackout drapes in our hotel, but you're there in the summer. - Doesn't touch me. - You're not gonna sleep if you don't have blackout.

I mean, 'cause it's light out at 3 a.m. - Well, yeah, it's so fun to go out at night during the summer 'cause you leave the bar and it's past midnight and there's just this orange sunset/sunrise 'cause the sun just doesn't hit,

like it's just sits on the horizon. - Yeah, it just kinda goes across the river. - 'Cause across the island, it's so beautiful. It's just electric, so just get drunk. - I'm an ex-hat, I don't know if you know this about me,

but the whole time there I was like, man, I could have died so well here in this city. - Yeah, yeah. - And it's good to go. - That is gone.

- Also how people just thrive in the cold, chilly, odd climate that Iceland is. - Have you drank or just, right? - Yeah, I didn't really think about it growing up. - When I left Iceland for college,

I noticed how weird Iceland was. Or not weird, but just different.

“I remember distinctly coming back from my first,”

like holiday for Christmas, coming back to Iceland, and noticing how very dark it was. And you wake up and it's still dark in the winter. It's affected me a little more now as I've spent more time in the States.

- California Ole Miss you up. - People get very pressed about like daylight savings and like, oh no, it's getting dark so early. And I'm like, you guys should go to Iceland and then come back and you'll be so thankful.

It's weird. - You also spent time in DC, so Dad worked for the IMF, - Yeah. - He's Icelandic.

- What's the IMF? - International Monterey Fund. - Thank you. - Yeah. - You guys went to DC when you were seven to nine?

Was that the ages? - Yeah, seven to nine. And then also when I was like a teeny, tiny baby but I don't remember that. I sound very Americanized, but I really only lived there

from a bit of first grade, second grade. But it was so formative, right? It's like when you learn to read and write.

So I always had this kind of memory of living in America,

that age, it's like you have McDonalds and you have American girl dolls and you have Target. - Yes. - And that was like daily Disneyland.

- Yeah. - Whereas, and then you were back to Iceland. Also, we moved back in the middle of the recession, the financial crisis which hate Iceland really hard. So it was such a different atmosphere to land into.

- Yeah, was your dad stressed me, I'm belief, 'cause that was the role he was to ask. - Yeah, for the government. - Yeah, well, we lived in America when all the bad shit was going down.

- Yeah, we didn't get that money. - Yeah, exactly. And then we moved back into just like this absolute mess of a system and I have the class, like I don't really know what my dad does,

but he was definitely working very hard to help fix things there. - Is he 11 feet tall, how tall is he?

“- I don't know, I don't think about my parents, right?”

- Okay. - I think you think he might be 11 feet tall. - 'Cause just like Iceland. - I think I'm really tall, like all those Nordic folks that tend to get up there.

- Viking life. - Now listen, I'm a father of daughters. And I'm gonna be honest with you. If I was gonna see my daughter on the show and she did not tallly was her what I did for a living.

I think my feelings might be hurt. - Well, it's all confusing because I still don't completely understand American height. And then I've lost a little bit sight of meters too. So I'm kind of stuck in an in between.

It's the same with Fahrenheit and Celsius.

I kind of never really know the temperature.

- Some people can be a person without a country, or a person without measurements. - I'm a person without measurements. - Yeah. - Well, numbers don't matter.

- Yeah. - I like that. - Yeah, I like that. - Yeah, yeah. - I think a lot of people don't know what their mom's

and dad's do specifically. They know like the overarching. - How tall is your dad?

- Oh God, you guys really don't know like just crying about it. - No, he's not. - No, he's not. He's like--

- That's her father. - He doesn't know how tall I am.

“- Yeah, but I don't think my dad knows how tall I am.”

- Yeah. - I'm a girl height. I don't know. - I love numbers. - Also, I find that in the States,

maybe this is because I went into the conversation of dating and then height became this thing. - Oh, sure.

- I never thought about height until I started dating.

Then that became the number, like 5/11 meant nothing to me before the age of like 20. - How tall are you? - No, I don't know how tall you are. Uh-oh.

(laughing) - 5/5, I think. - 5/5. - Okay, you're not 5/5. - You just threw out 5/11 and I was like,

I just hugged you. I don't think you were 5/11. - No, that's the dating man. - That's the height that men are scared of saying that they are.

- All right, they'll say they're 6 feet. - Exactly. - Yeah. - But I don't really know what any of that means. - Yeah, you're like who cares.

- Exactly. - Can you 5/11 bigger than 5/11? - Yeah, because it's 5/11, so it seems big. - No, this makes no, I don't understand that system.

What do you mean it caps out at 11 then it turns to like a new number? - Yes, it's a terrible system, the English system. I agree. Okay, so mom was this concert violinist.

What was her time commitment there? I know she practiced every single day, but what was the hours worked? Because they know how she was on you both, learning music and I'm curious

so much free time she had for that. - She's also a teacher. So taught a lot of island students and we just kind of were her students as well. So when we were born, she definitely prioritized

our music education, but she was always in the orchestra as well.

- How was she doing in Iceland? That's a big change for her from China. - Yeah, huge. I ask her all the time, 'cause it's so... Well, as someone who's moved very far from my country

to a different part of the world, I have all this modern technology, like I can call her every single day. I can connect to Iceland, a culture still. And even through the internet,

finding like a Icelandic community in LA, like there's so many different ways that you can connect to a culture still. I don't wanna say that she didn't think about it, but I think that was the option.

So she just went with it. And what I really admire about my mom is she never saw being Chinese or being Asian and Iceland as some sort of drawback. She didn't sit around lamenting that she was different

than everybody else.

“I think I do a whole lot more of that than my mother.”

She's never done any of that. She just moved forward very entrepreneurial and she just makes beauty out of everything. Don't you think that speaks volumes about when you decide something versus something

that's been decided for you? So she decided to leave China. So she's not gonna go to Iceland, be like, boo, who I'm Chinese and Iceland. She chose it, but you're just born and Iceland.

You're like, what's up, why am I so interested? Yeah, I've been thinking so much actually about the choices we have and how confounded by choice I often am. I think about in contrast with my mother

where she didn't have nearly as many options, you just take what you can get in a sense. Yeah. And when you get a position in an orchestra, you just go and whether that's in Iceland or Antarctica,

or Singapore, you know, in the States, you go where a door opens. And I think that there's kind of a beauty to that in it's such a privilege to have so many options. You go to a restaurant and there's one plate on the menu.

Just eat it and I'll be happy. But you know, you go to the cheesecake factory that you're confounded by choice and sometimes that is a whole lot more stressful experience. Yeah, it makes me realize that because she chose it,

it's one thing and if you didn't, and if you could trick yourself into going like, oh, I chose this experience at all times, you would experience it much differently if you could just fool yourself into that.

“Often times, I think about my mother's journey”

and how a door would open and she would just walk through it. She wouldn't look around like, is there another door around me? Is there racism there? Oh, yeah, everywhere, I guess. Absolutely.

And it's something that whispers in Iceland, too, because there are so few people of color. Right, that guess it was my pleasure. That is like people in Iceland often times love to pretend that it doesn't exist because it is a very progressive society.

Yeah. And we are very forward thinking in many ways.

Like, we had the first democratically voted female head of state.

The president in the '80s, Vigdi's Fimbo. I thought it was a single mom and she was voting. And currently we have a female president, female prime minister, a lot more female ministers as well. It's truly like a country that is run by women,

which I'm so proud of. So progressive in so many ways, but I still think there's so much work to be done when it comes to diversity, but there's so little diversity that the conversation doesn't come up as often,

but I think it's something that's increasing that I'm happy that people are talking about. Yeah, I don't want to excuse racism, but I also want to acknowledge people when they have no experience with other groups,

they are left only with stereotypes. The way I like to describe it even for myself,

I am white passing in many instances,

but in a class of 250 blonde-haired blue-eyed people, you walk in and you have different features and you're eating different food at home. Immediately, everybody will turn around and be like, "Oh, what's this?

"Sometimes, but it wasn't meant to be like a negative thing, "but I often felt so different growing up "by the nature of being a part of a very homogeneous society." Yes, okay, but you're also saved by the fact that you're bouncing around everywhere, right?

So you're in Iceland until seven, then you're in DC for a couple of years, and you're with international students where you go to school. By nature of being in DC, I went to a public school,

but everyone was from a different country. Yeah, yeah. Which was really cool,

“which I think is why I loved being in DC so much.”

And then summers in China. Yeah. So when you go to China, are you also feeling exotic and other?

Yeah, but I never really thought of it.

For some reason in China, I was always so excited to go to China, I'm excited to be with my grandparents and excited to speak Chinese and eat the food. When I speak Chinese and China, people are so warm about it.

They love speaking Chinese, and they love when Westerners are trying to claim their language or speak it or something like that. And you speak Mandarin, right? Mandarin.

Whereas Icelanders, I often find, if you try to speak Icelandic to them, and you even have a lick of an accent, they'll switch to English. Yeah.

Don't even try. Exactly. That's kind of the difference. It's fun to try to be a part of China, because the culture, the food,

they love when you embrace it. We're like in Iceland, there's these kind of weird social rules. But they're both music professors. So obviously this comes very natural for you to be in this situation.

But when I'm looking at your life, I have a lot of, and I could be totally wrong. But I see like moving around a lot, that leads to crazy loneliness. Ken, the level of dedication to learn

cello, to learn piano, to end up yourself playing cello at the Symphony Orchestra at 15th. These are lonely endeavors. And until I read you at an identical twin,

I have like one whole thought of your childhood, but then when I think you have an identical twin, that must help buff it all of those things. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

Can you imagine having done this whole same life of yours but by yourself? No, you know, it's funny. You say the word lonely and the whole time I'm thinking. I really don't know like lonely in a sense,

but different is always the word I use

because I felt different, but I was never alone. Like I always had union, my sister with me. And especially classical music education can be quite a lonely endeavor.

When I started playing in chamber groups in orchestra, I started loving it so much more because it became a social thing. Yeah. And you'd hang out with your other friends that were doing this really odd thing as well,

which is like studying. You're basically a limpian. Well, it's a solo sport until it becomes a group sport. But also just the bond of practice required is all consuming, no?

Yeah, I mean, it takes up your whole life in a way. And that becomes your identity. And I never questioned it. I don't want to say that I didn't have the freedom to do other things, but I just came from a family

“of classical musicians and knew that that's what”

I was meant to do. When I was younger, I saw it as just like a part of school. It's cool, and then I went home, and I fell over an hour. You're like, you're just in part of the routine.

Like part of the routine, yeah. And then as I grew older, and it became more like a choice of, are you really going to want to pursue this? That's when my mom was like, this is in your hands. Now, if you want to continue on this journey,

you continue. And if you don't, you don't have to. What age was that? 14 like a school age? Did your sister also play?

Yes. But she played violin, and I played cello. We both played piano, but we had our kind of separate things there, but we could often play together, which was lovely. And what does that do to the dynamic between mother and daughter

when mom is the teacher and mom's overseen? And I heard you in an interview on fresh air saying like, yeah, if she hears you not play the right note from the other room while she's working with her or the violin. And she's screaming to you.

I went to, again, another stereotype, but like the Chinese immigrant-American child in America has a very specific, and it's going to be like fucking math, by Row, this really intense.

“You've got to get this skill because you must be safe.”

I want to know what that dynamic was. Was there tension or was that easy? In stealing this level of discipline, healthy discipline in me, I think a lot of kids get it through sports. And I got it through music.

It's funny how much of a taboo-- I don't even know if tabo's the right word, but I think sometimes when people talk about immigrant parents and how hard they are on their children, they love to, especially when it comes to music or school.

They love to make it sound like this really oppressive thing. And sometimes it totally is, do not get me wrong. I had a really healthy relationship with my mother and discipline. So many kids get this through sports. And I feel like it's okay with sports somehow

in the eye of what's interesting. You hear about kids who push really hard to become Olympians

and they grind and they spend all their time

with their coaches and their coaches push them hard. And I find that the conversation around that, it's like, okay. Whereas people talk about the mean Chinese mother or something. Well, I have opinions about the sports thing. So yes, it's great when you turn out to be Tiger Woods.

But for every Tiger Woods, there were a couple of thousand kids whose relationships with their father was completely destroyed for something that didn't amount to anything. Because the dad had fucking dreams of being on the P.J.

So definitely it happens. And yes, when I'm talking to you, it works out. Like, you're here, you have two Grammys. Of course, here.

“But I think, unfortunately, a lot of people”

aren't modeling that. Again, if the payoff is there, then yeah, if you end up at the Olympics, yeah. But if you also just rode your kid for 12 years and they weren't destined to be an Olympian, then no,

I don't think that's cool. I've definitely seen mean examples of it. I mean, of course in classical music kidding me. But this is where I think it was really healthy. My mom's goal with making sure I practiced every day

was not to make me the best solo cellist in the world. It was only about teaching good habits, discipline, being able to stick to something, seeing it through, dedicate yourself to something. And that's something I'm so grateful for.

- Yeah, yeah. - Even as I've left classical music, I've been able to transfer that to school or life or work. I think I'm really fortunate that it was just about good habits and not just about winning.

She didn't care about me winning. And I think that's where it gets really unhealthy. - Yeah. - When parents just want their kids to win. - Miss the spelling, Ming, yelled at the whole, right?

- Yeah, like my mom was-- - Who doesn't make any of the spelling? - I've never done that. - That's the sign. I do think you're right.

This is interesting. I'm even thinking just personally, I do that. Like if I hear that a coach or something is pushing their protege very hard.

“I'm like, yeah, that's what you have to do.”

- That's what you do to get a goal metal. - I don't have any judgment of that. But yes, if I hear someone's like, "Oh my god, they made me do so many math problems." Like, "Let me get out of my seat."

I'd be like, "Oh, no, that's a problem." - Exactly. - There's a different dynamic. If you have a coach and you've told your parent, I really want to be a gymnast.

Okay, great. Here's the best coach. And then when you disappoint the coach, you understand they're not disappointed. They're teaching me this thing. But I think where it gets blurry

is when your parent is your teacher. And you fail. I do think there's an extra layer. - Yeah.

I mean, my mom always made sure we had teachers.

- Oh, okay. - She was never our primary teacher. - Oh, cool. - And I think that's really important. - Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes.

- It was more for my sister, 'cause she's a violinist. So she taught my sister who played violin. - I literally chose Trello, 'cause I was like, "I don't want my mom to teach me." - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

(laughing) - And I don't want to have to be measured by her either. Like, here's an example of perfection in the house. Do I want that? - My grandfather was a violin professor in China,

and he taught all of these amazing Chinese prodigies. And I just saw these kids. I was like, "All right, I'm not gonna match up, but I love the sound of Chello." - It sings more.

“- I think Chello's my favorite instrument”

of all of the traditional ones, because it goes more places. It's like, I don't know, is it based sometimes it can go a bit high? Like, it feels very versatile.

It can be all over the place you're playing with the bow, sometimes they're not. Feels more of a flexible and improv-friendly instrument than some others, but maybe that's completely rubbish, I don't know. - I think what it is is just when people listen to violin,

they think a lot more about technique, fast passages, runs, if you will. Like you can compare it to singing. Whereas if you think about Chello, it's about tone, it's about heart,

it's about how it touches you. It's a lot more melodic in that way. - Do you love watching Wednesday and play the Chello? (laughs) Are you stoked that like it looks so cool?

- I'm stoked that there is any type of Chello in the world and in the pop culture.

That always makes me feel so seen,

whether it's goal of rock or Wednesday or anything, I always celebrate it whenever a character plays the Chello. I'm like, yes. (laughs) - She's also such a badass. - Yeah, and I love how Wednesday gets her anger out by playing

Chello, and I feel like that's actually really cool because Chello is known to be this melodic like sad instrument, I love it. I always think string playing in movies and TV is so funny, because it's almost never synced correctly.

- Very true. - And so it's always, I know too much and it always looks kind of silly, but I can tell that Jenna or take up, put in the time to like learn the instrument and I think that's so cool.

- Yeah, I want to acknowledge how you and I are almost like if there was a spectrum of this, we would be on opposites, which is like, I'm not a master of anything. I did want to be a master of something.

I don't know if I am, but my childhood was completely on discipline.

- By the way, despite all this, I'm extremely jealous of. - Okay, great, 'cause when I'm looking at your life, and of course my life got me here and I like where I'm at, and your life got you here and you like where you're at.

So we could make cases for either, but when I look at your childhood, I go, oh no, well, where was the childhood? 'Cause when you weren't doing those things which are already very time consuming and repetitive

and so much practice, you're doing ballet. - Highly disciplined, yeah. You know, but I was terrible at it. - It was just dancing. - So if I had disciplines, like, oh, but I'm just curious,

do you think you paid any pressure,

“you gave anything up for that to end up as skilled as you were?”

- No, I don't think so. - Okay, great. - On the spectrum of classical music, I was still pretty relaxed. Like when you look at the kids that are really out there

performing, they are on a different level. I still had a childhood, like I still had fun. I think I didn't start being a teenager early enough, but that came a lot more from my personality. I was really scared of growing up.

I really didn't want to be an adult. I really wanted to be a child.

I had this weird complex about wanting to be a child always.

- Oh, yeah. - I can't explain. I was like scared of drinking and scared of going to parties and scared of going on dates. Super scared of boys.

I was a very insecure child. Didn't feel great about how I looked or my body. And I just didn't feel confident enough to go do that. - And how similar are your personalities? Like what was your twin experience?

- We were first like that. And I think we both like spiraled into it together. (laughs) I felt weird and times two. - Yeah.

- And imagine feeling like you take up a lot of space and are super annoying. And you're in your head about that and you feel like you dressed differently and you look bad and you look ugly times two.

- I felt like I was walking around being extra weird, extra different. - This is tough 'cause she's here, but yes, I was insecure and then any family of member of mine also made me insecure, right?

Like I might not have like what was going out with me, but also like then you bring other family members now embarrassed on their behalf. - Oh, yeah. - So if you didn't like yourself

and then there's an identical version of you, throughs and around, that's just more embarrassment in a sense for me. - Absolutely. And we were referred to as the twins.

We didn't have our own names. There was like this two-year period where the teacher would be like, "Oh, and twins!" And we would scream back, "It's live and union!"

We genuinely, that was like my one act of rebellion ever in high school. I hated being called the twins because I wanted to have my own identity. - Sorry, we're so interested in it.

- No, honestly, I love talking about it. It's a weird thing and I feel like I've overcome it so much. So I do love talking about it because I think when you're in high school, you can feel so trapped in your identity

“and think that that's the only way you're ever going to be.”

But to your earlier point on where was the opposite of discipline, right? I wouldn't be where I am now. If I didn't leave home for college, leave my twin sister. She went to university in Scotland.

I went to university in Boston and start living life.

- How scary was that first year?

- It was really scary until it was really fun. - Okay, I'm back up there 'cause I want to know how this girl with this personality means very understandable and curious that we all have.

How did you deal with being on stage at 15 for the orchestra as Symphony Orchestra? And then TV twice, like you were on Island Got Talent. Why is it an Iceland Got Talent? It's Island Got Talent.

- It is Iceland Got Talent. But Iceland and Iceland is Iceland. - Oh, Iceland Got Talent. - Okay. - I mean Iceland isn't Island.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then also the voice. - I competed in every single singing competition or talent competition I could find. So how did you do with those when you're feeling insecure

as young woman? And then you're also having to get on TV and performance stage. Did you disassociate and have a different persona? How did you manage that? - I was insecure as a girl, but I was not insecure as a musician.

- Oh great. - That's great. - Many that's part of the reason you loved it so much is like it was your superpower. - I loved going on stage.

I've always felt so comfortable on stage

“and I think that's where I found my confidence.”

- So you were a finalist in one and then a semi-finals in the other? - Yeah. - So what kids at school not intrigued by this? Were you like popular for it?

- I don't know if popular is the right word. People definitely knew that I was doing all that but it didn't mean I was cool by any. - Were you getting any credit for that where people like, "Hey, I saw you on Iceland Got Talent."

You were great and you're like, "Thank you." - It was like, "However little credit she got, I got less because she's like, "I don't know, I'm sorry." (laughing) - Yeah.

- I think your twins like the Wednesday version of you. - Would you say that? - I mean, we need to talk more. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I really found complimentary vibe.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - We fill in to each other's sentence. - Is he the naughty or twin?

- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Was that always the case or is that when you said

“when you guys went to college and you kind of separated?”

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(upbeat music) Okay, so was the decision though to go to Boston and go to Berkeley hard? - It was really tough because despite taking every opportunity I could,

I was really, really scared of jumping in to becoming the singer. - I was like, this is not gonna go anywhere. I don't wanna say I'd given up, but I felt that I had enough proof

that I wasn't gonna make it. I had competed in every single singing competition at all these producers and Iceland promise that they were gonna work with me or listen to me and nobody really responded

or gave me the time of day. And I would see them work with other girls who are more like down the middle pop.

“I think I also truly hadn't found myself yet.”

- As you see, you probably didn't have an identity yet. - I absolutely did not. I was a classical cellist, a jazz singer. And I loved pop music. - I loved.

- It's a terrible bell ring. - It's a terrible bell ring. - And a terrible bell ring? - Yeah. And I don't even know if I knew

if I could find my sound. - Yeah, that's scary, right? - Nobody was making the kind of music I wanted to make. And I didn't even know what kind of music I wanted to make. If you were to ask me back then I would've told you

in my dream world I'm mixing all the things I am, which is a songwriter, like I had not written any songs. I'd written maybe one song. I wouldn't call myself a writer when I had gone to Berkeley. I written a song reluctantly for a class or something.

- Yeah. - So I didn't have songwriting experience. I didn't have life experience. I didn't have anything to write about. I was a classical cellist and a jazz singer.

I hadn't really experienced heartbreak. Maybe I'd have some secret crushes. But my biggest fear when I was in high school was admitting to having a crush. I don't know why I thought that there was absolutely

nothing more embarrassing than that. - Well, don't you think 'cause then rejection might be on the other side of that? - I was genuinely scared that if I so much as admitted I had a crush on like a movie character

that the world or that my friends or something would be like, oh my god, do you think you can get that? - I don't know why I thought it was that deep. - Monica did the same thing but her crushes were like,

"Oh, I'm gonna go so outside of what's possible." - Right, I'm happy to talk about it. - I like to talk about it actually because it was like, everyone's doing this. So maybe that's the difference though.

Everyone had crushes and I had my friends too. I don't know what it was. You thought you'd be made fun of. That's so interesting. - I think I was judging myself.

- Yeah. - I think it came from like deep inner judgment. And that's something that I completely worked out of when I got to college and I was known as just Lové when I went to Berkeley.

Yeah, so I was very afraid to jump into the deep end

“and it was my mom who was like, you have to go.”

She was like, you're this beautiful opportunity and she believed so much in me and I did so much on working of my kind of childhood. Although I just had so many walls up and I broke them all down but barrier by barrier

as I got to Berkeley and then in the last eight years I've just been knocking it down and now I feel so free. - Yeah, so walk me through the steps of arriving in Boston and how do they start eroding? And what's it like to be in Boston

and how are those things falling away? 'Cause yes, by your junior year, you're now like writing and making music and by your senior year, you have songs that are on the radio and Iceland. - What really changed for me is

I kind of had my first touch with depression.

I think we just safety blanket wasn't there. My safety blanket wasn't there and I didn't really know who I was. I was really confused when I got to Berkeley so I went as a cello student

because they offered me a full scholarship as a cellist. - The presidential scholarship. - The presidential scholarship. I can only guess it's due to lack of string players. I was very fortunate to get to go for free

because my parents were like,

"We're not gonna pay for college." This is free here. If you wanna go, you pay for it.

“- So, of course, that kind of felt like this golden ticket”

to go and so I went. And I was there playing cello and singing a bit but I couldn't fathom why they had invested that much in me. I really didn't understand. I kept telling myself they just need cellists.

They need string players. They need people in the orchestra. That was what I kept saying to myself. So, I was just trying to figure out who I was in the tapestry of Berkeley at the time.

And it took me a couple months to realize that a lot of people were doing a lot of different things. People had majors. People had principal instruments but most of them were mixing everything together.

- Yeah, we just interviewed Charlie Pooth who was there at Berkeley and he was doing like

sound engineering or something.

- Yeah, but he plays every instrument and could have probably done any major there. It was so healthy for me to be around these kids who didn't have as much of a classical upbringing and their relationship to music came from

a true place of love. People were willing to do anything and they were really down to collaborate and mixed different genres together and a lot of people had this honest blind faith

in themselves which I needed to instill in myself. You cannot do this job without having that blind faith and thinking that you are going to make it. You cannot reluctantly jump into this and that's where things started to change.

- Am I right or wrong in that to me classical? It's in so many ways the opposite. There's so many rules. It's already been there. You're trying to reach perfection.

It's wrote. It's hitting the exact note and all these things. It's rules based. - Very rules based and high notes. This other thing, creating new music

that's novel and not been made is the antithesis of that. It's breaking every rule and experimenting. - The way I saw it was I'd come from a system where we were training to be the best players of the music.

- Right. - The best musician at the school was the musician that could play the best. - Literally at the best musicality, best technique, the combination of everything.

Whereas at Berkeley I was all of a sudden in this environment where the best musician was the best creator, not necessarily the best player. I mean, of course, you know, good players, everything. - And I dream all of your ball.

- I thought was the coolest was the person creating the music. Everyone has a different voice. Everyone placed differently. It wasn't necessarily about who had the best technique. I was so in awe of the storytellers.

And the people that could make me feel something. And the ones who'd found their own lane and I was like, I need to do this.

“So I think I realized quickly that I should just lean”

into what I'm good at and what I love, which is I love singing songs from the Great American song book. I love classical music. String arrangements can totally be transferred into that.

And then I just needed to live a bit of life to write. And I started dating for the first time and I was so heartbroken. I was talking to the sky who did not give a shit about me. He's also much older, which in hindsight, I'm like, ew.

- And we talking five years older, 15, 20. - It was like six years older. - Okay, okay, okay. - When you're that young. - Yeah, I'm like, I'm 26 now and looking back,

like I would never with like a 19 year old.

Like yeah. (laughs) Anyways, it was my first brush with rejection. Which is so hard. You had been avoiding that.

- I had been avoiding that my whole life and I think I was so scared of it and then it came and it was worth it. - Because of the imagination. - Yeah.

- But then you have something to write about. - True. - Generally for three months I could barely get out of bed and it was also a couple of different things that played into it like being away from home

and not being sure who I was as a musician. - As you're saying this, I just gotta say, it's the most unavoidable part of a human life. I remember graduating, I was gonna do one thing. I was in Detroit and then I woke up there

and I'm like, what am I doing? Like, just that panic of like, what am I doing? Where am I gonna end up from like 18 to 24? And you can't sight step forward.

- Yeah, you gotta just go through it. - You gotta go through the storm and it's a storm for almost everybody. - Yeah, yes. - People think going to Berkeley

is some sort of magical button or highway to Hollywood and it's absolutely not.

“The best thing I think you can get from Berkeley is”

it's a nest to discover who you are as musician, to try out different things to collaborate with the people around you. Like the real wealth, I think, is the other students there who are coming from all corners of the world

and bringing different lessons with them. - It's like a safe place to walk through that crazy. - I think so. - It's a safe place to really expensive place too. - Yeah.

being at Berkeley and trying to figure it out.

“When I think about the artists who have really succeeded”

from Berkeley, it's really social media. You can collaborate with the people around you and then you use social media. That's what happened to me. - Tell me how in your senior year you write this song

that ends up being number one on Icelandic radio. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - It is. - It is your own turn. - We're talking about, that was a number one song in Millford, Michigan.

That'd be thrilling. - It's a different song. - It's a different song. - It's a different song. - I like it and take on how to know. - You are. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - No, you are. - The population is so small.

- Who cares? - It's still awesome. - I wrote this song called Street by Street. It was one of the first songs, if not the first song I wrote while at Berkeley,

where I was working through this heartbreak and it was the first like heartbreak song I wrote. It was a movie moment of healing. I wrote many of the lyrics in a bus, leaving Boston, 'cause I was escaping to New York

'cause I couldn't do what I think. I was like, the whole city's dated. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, it's life.

- It never got to be healing.

“And looking back, it wasn't that dramatic,”

but it felt so painful. - Yeah, yeah. - I wrote down the lyrics like Street by Street. I'm gonna take back my life kind of, because it had taken over my whole life.

- I was so depressed for this very small, I'm not gonna call it a small reason. I was feeling so terrible, but it was ruining an entire city for me. So I wrote these lyrics down

and it was the most healing thing. And then I ran to get a guitar when I got back to Boston. I was in this dorm room that had a view of the city and I wrote the first lyrics

and it was like this view used to bring a smile to my face and now it makes me disgusted. That's not the exact lyric. - You're paraphrasing yourself. - And pictures were easy.

And then the chorus is like Street by Street, like Brick by Brick. I'm gonna take back my life from the back bay to the sky. I just wanted to claim ownership of this thing that this guy had kind of ruined for me.

And it was like I snapped out of my depression. I mean, it probably took a couple of days, but in hindsight, it felt like I snapped out. - It was so excited. I was like, oh my God, I found my sound.

- Wow. - It took something that you were powerless in, which was the relationship. And then you turned it into something you had total power over,

which was the output, the song.

So it transferred from powerlessness to powerful.

- Yes, and I was so excited, because not only had I lyricsly found that it helped me, but I had found a way to use the chordal language that I was used to from the Great American song, where I could put it into a song that still felt modern,

like it still felt new. - So maybe more impressive to you than the Icelandic number one is that Billie Eilish noticed this song. - She did it.

- She did it. - I did a cover of her song called My Future, a couple of months into the pandemic. - Okay. - And I did all these harmonies,

'cause it's such a beautiful song. - It's one of my favorite songs. - Have you worked with Phineas? - I'm just a fan from afar, and they're both so sweet,

and they have done wonders for pop music. I genuinely feel like what they did for pop music helped me even be able to have a moment. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Absolutely one of those musicians

that created that space so that many other musicians could come in and thrive. - Be melancholy and pop. - Be melancholy and pop and dissonate and have these jazz chords

and my future totally had that. So I did a cover of that and she posted on her story. - Oh, okay. - It was a street by street.

- No, no, no.

“I think that got lost in translation somewhere”

and that was just me being a true fan. - Okay, and then so on the back of that, you put together everything I know about love? No, you have an EP for it. - I'm an EP called typical of me.

And this is where everything got really soupy with the pandemic. I recorded the song Street by Street, the day that we had to leave campus March 2020. And that's a week or two

and to the pandemic is when my social media started blowing up. - Uh-huh. - So it was all this kind of magical timing. - Yeah. - Where did you retreat to?

- To Washington, you see. So my parents moved to Washington, DC, January of 2020. - Oh, what a blessing. - Great timing. But I went back to DC into this house that I did not recognize

never been there before. I thought it was gonna be a two week break from school. - Yeah. - And I said to myself, I was like, okay, I'm gonna use these two weeks

to just post videos of myself singing, playing cello. I would play cello and sing jazz standards. And then I'd also in between posts, songs that I'd written. I did it almost every day, every other day. And I think people were like,

why is this young woman singing these songs from the 40s or the 30s with a cello? - With a cello, yeah and it was one of the very few moments

And I just kind of stuck to it. I figured out that if I stayed consistent and communicated with the people who were following me, it became this community really quick. I would do weekly live streams as well.

I called them my Sunday Leleby series. Every Sunday I would sit down and I would just sing. And there was like a chat going on and people were from all over the world and we'd be talking about like,

oh, like what's COVID like there? And it was such a beautiful community

“that it started with and I think that's the reason”

it's flourished into the community that it is today. I feel so close to my fans and I hope that they feel close to me too because it's been this kind of continuous conversation from the beginning and I literally would write a song

that day and I'd play a little bit of it and then that would song would end up on my EP and people remember it when I'd written it. - They probably felt a lot of ownership over that for me. - Yeah and they should

because so much of the information that they were giving me whether they liked it or not was going into it. - There was some weird version of performing live in a way 'cause you're getting feedback

which is rare. I am struck by the fact that there's so many overlaps in a lot of these musical stories like I'm thinking of Anderson Park who was saying he drummed in church.

He wanted to be a rapper or first he wanted to be a DJ then he wanted to be a rapper and then out of like not having a drummer decided to play the drums while he was also performing.

Many does tiny desk and never anticipating

all the drumming and singing is what people are like, oh wow okay and it's not just that it's a gimmick. I think there's something we can detect that we know that's Anderson. Like he's always been a drummer.

He's supposed to be drumming and singing. - Yeah.

“- And I think like this shallow thing is very similar to that”

which is like it gets your attention but it gets your attention for a lot of ways. I think there's something we can detect in that. That's authentic as fuck. - And I think it's because nobody would ever consider

picking up a cello and singing at the same time as something that would result in any type of viralities. - But it's you. - I think it's something you can believe in everything. - It comes from a very honest place.

It comes from true love for the instrument. - So then it happens pretty quick. Then you do everything I know about you, your debut album. In 2022, so two years into the pandemic and then 2023 be which comes about

and from the start is on that album. - Yes. - Which is enormous. - I was listening to it today

and it has over a billion streams on Spotify alone.

How does one experience going from college two years before to Grammy winning album? How are you keeping up with it ratcheting so quickly? - I think I'm still playing catch up. - Yeah, I bet.

What was your sister saying about all this? 'Cause you guys have diverged. She went to Scotland. You went to Boston and Alves said you're winning a Grammy.

She like, hold on a second. Should I have gone to Broadway? (laughing) - We've gone through the whole thing together. She's immediately became my creative director

for free and for fun first and then it actually became a need of mine and she fulfills it so well. So she's extremely involved in everything. Anything that goes out into the world, she's touched except for the music.

But even the music, she plays violin on it sometimes. So the biggest blessing is I felt like I've gone through it with my sister and we share a face in the sense. So even the really new kind of weird parts of getting recognized, the first question people ask me

is almost always, are you a union or a living?

- Yeah, and watch twin are you? Or they'll go, are you?

“Although I think that's maybe because my names are different now.”

- Well, the spelling, I don't know how we get like they from the EU FE. It's quite the spectacle, it's become. - I'm sure of mine. - The EU is just a, in Icelandic and that's the,

I don't know, I've been seeing people on the internet making fun of my name and I'm kind of like, at the end of the day, it's my government name. - It's your name.

- And it's my great-grandmault's name and it's funny 'cause it's such a normal name in Iceland. - It's a little weird. - Interestingly, this is my question for later but we're here, I'm gonna ask it now.

- So she is the mother of Loki, the Nordic mythology, God of mischief. - But you don't seem very mischievous and this goes back to the childhood. - Is there some mischievousness or short?

- There is. - Yeah. - What's secretly going on? Also, are we updating yourself the steam and thinking, the boys like you?

And now, obviously probably tons of boys are liking you. You still don't think they are. - No, I'm not. - Okay, so we haven't caught up yet. (laughing)

- We're still not. - I was gonna ask it to like, what's your current relationship with dating with how people see you? - I'm very happy I didn't love right now.

- Are you all right? - You're all right. - You're all right. - Yeah, I love you. - I love you.

- So we've updated our thoughts. - We've updated ourselves. - Yeah, for sure. - I feel so much more confident

I think people read from the world that I'm this very kind of like poised. - Very kind. - And even toned person. And I'm not.

I'm a tourist, first of all. - Monica, what does that mean? Tell us what that means. - A little stubborn, right? A little stubborn, but I guess more so.

I'm just very calm. Oh, I have a very calm demeanor. - 'Cause I whipped up this whole thing, right?

I don't know you have never met you.

I'm like, to get to this level of musicianship, the amount of work and perhaps the loneliness. And then I hear you get in your so even tempered in all these interviews. And my thought is, is there a rascal in you

“that is trying to claw out and do you love being a nebriated?”

Do you love being a nebriated? - Yeah, you have an escape. - But I think I might just be entirely wrong about the original assessment. I don't think you're as type A as I thought maybe.

- I'm so not type A. I have a lot of problem focusing. I do think that is short form contents fault though. - Yeah. - But I'm not as type A as people think.

I'm really chronically late. - You were late today. - I'm sure you know. (laughing) Do you like to get fucked up?

- I do. I do care so much about my tour, my career. - Both can be true. - Both can be true. I care about showing up for people.

So I'm not gonna get wasted and not show up to a concert. That's kind of what that part is. But I'm like, I ain't just mess. And that's something I really wanted to show with my album matter of time.

There were a lot of moments in that album where people were quite shocked.

“Because I was writing a little more honestly about things,”

like the end of the album is just noise. We were just throwing instruments, like sounds at the pounding on instruments for the end. Because I wanted to kind of break out of this perception. But my demeanor reads quite differently.

- Yes, how did you take to, 'cause right after we wits you start,

your first I would imagine world tour?

- Yes. - And how do you take to that? I feel like you were built for 'cause you were bouncing all around the whole world already. But again, loneliness.

- What was the tour experience like? - I love playing concerts. I love going on stage. I make music so I can go on stage. That is what fulfills me.

I know my purpose when I'm on stage. - The stage is your getting fucked up. So I was also noticing like you're so even tempered, but your wardrobe is an incredibly flamboyant. And it's vibrant.

And I was like, okay, I love that. - I love that. - That's one of the releases is like, I'm steady eddy, but then I have this really flashy and exuberant wardrobe.

And I'm on stage doing the thing. So it sounds like maybe the stage is where you get to let it rip. - I feel like I am the prime version of myself on stage. - I am the trueest self. - My trueest self, my most honest self on stage.

And I can let go of a lot of the shackles around me. - It's funny, it's almost counterintuitive. It sounds like when you're on stage, you feel no judgment. - Yeah.

- And in life, you're a little more, exactly in life, you might be afraid of judgment. - Not really, I've let go of the fear of judgment. I genuinely don't care what people say about me. - I get so much, especially recently,

people are like, who the fuck is this girl that's singing jazz and they can't stand it or something like that? It doesn't touch me because I know I'm being my most honest self. That would only touch me if I weren't being honest.

- Yeah, yeah. - And I can't be authentic. - This is a part of the interview where I psychoanalyze really quick. - I love being psychoanalyzy. - I love being psychoanalyzy.

- Yeah. - Okay, so in Mad woman, which is the music video just came out, it's fantastic. It's very 60's, it's very bewitched. - Yeah. - One of the lyrics is called me stupid as a mindless joke.

This is what the guy said. - Yes, though. - And so I went, he was nagging you this guy that the song's about. Back to the feeling and secure feeling,

ridiculous even, have a crust. Do you think initially when you're finding your confidence in dating that you are susceptible

“to that someone confirming your story about yourself?”

- Oh, I mean, secure and love. - I'll put it that way. I'm very secure everywhere else, very insecure and love. - Yeah, and I would imagine you're very vulnerable to someone identifying that and leveraging that against you,

confirming your fears, whether they think it's true or not.

- Yeah, I always think guys are thinking much deeper

than they are, called me stupid as a mindless joke. It's probably a mindless joke, but I was like, oh my God. - Yeah, you took it. - You recognized a part of me, but it's not good. - Who's the hunk in the video?

He looks like an Asian-glend power. - Yeah, Hudson Williams. - Hudson Williams. - Oh, my God, Dax, did I just kind of recognize him? - Yeah, he's a huge, huge star.

- I think that would be like a kind of role. - I don't know if he looks like glend power. - Okay, I'm wrong about that. - He's in, he didn't arrive a way like the biggest show. - He wanted to audition.

- Yeah. - I'm so sorry, everybody. - I really love it. - That much rivalry and I was looking at him. - He should.

- It's a big deal.

- He is a hunk. The body looks great. The week is on point.

- This is the perfect madman for the music video.

- Yeah. - And I gathered three of my friends who are all wasion as they say half white and half Asian. - Oh, that's the term wasion. - Wasion is the term.

- Okay. - Yeah, I thought it would be funny because I sometimes get mistaken as other girls who are half Asian and half white. Sometimes I'll literally get tagged and like so.

- Oh my gosh. - Oh my gosh. - It's a grandma. - It was kind of the joke. I went to the golden globes and for some reason.

Halfway through the carpet was a really long carpet and it was like an obstacle course. It went up and down and up and I was up at the last part and they start going, Megan, Megan.

“I don't know what, I think people are screaming like”

Lave and maybe one photographer heard Megan. - No, no. - Something like that. - No, or maybe there was a Megan coming after me or before me.

So either way, or they may be thought that there's a girl in this group Katzai called Megan who is also half Chinese and half Asian. - She's wasion and we could pass the sisters. She is a beautiful young woman

and does not want to be compared to a 26 year old and I will not go to that. - We are so dare you, we just died. Both of us just died and she died. - She's enjoying this picture.

She's 20, 7 in a week. So she's like relishing it. I'm relishing it in my 26 year old.

She is like this incredible dancer singer

but I'm also friends with her and her name is Megan. It kind of became this joke that they were like, oh my god, they're mixing us up. And if he came this internet joke, people started commenting, Megan,

I'm like, oh my god, it sounds like I have to have Megan in a music video with me.

“And then I had Alyssa Liu, gold medalist.”

- Amazing. - Her short program was to my song. - Did you tell her you were a figure skater when you were a child? - I did.

- That was the fourth endeavor also too much. - I did everything, I had so much fun. She is an incredible person and incredible artist and her message to the world is so beautiful and she came back to skating

and after being away from it for a bit and she used my song that I wrote about a boy. - Oh really? - But interpreted it. The song is about needing distance for something

but you love it and she interpreted it. The song was getting cool. She won the gold medal with it. - My god, did you feel so, were you like, this is--

- I would love it. - I thought they were like, oh my god, she'd been skating to promise for a couple of months and so I reached out to her, connected months ago and she came to my concert

in Oakland and so I've known her for a bit. So I of course had to have her to because she's also have training. - Yeah. - And Lola Tung who plays belly on the summer

I turned pretty. - Oh yes. - I've been friends with her for like four years and I love her so much and even before she did the summer I turned pretty,

the first year I was releasing music

and nobody knew who I was. She had messaged me. She was like, oh, we kind of look the same and she sings so beautifully too. She said that she liked my music.

She's just like set me a DM and I didn't notice it which is weird because back then I saw everything and then a year or two later the summer I'm pretty came out and I was of course stalking her Instagram and it was growing so fast.

I saw that she followed me and I was like, oh my god, I got a DM or I was like, oh, the vision. And it opened up this message that she has sat me prior and I was like, wow, this is Kismet and she is genuinely one of my favorite people that I have met

in this industry and is one of the most elegant voiced kind of people that I have met. Got true gold of human being. - Stay tuned for more arm share expert if you dare. (upbeat music)

- All these girls that I know I was like, I was just fine. - You just answered my question because I was gonna ask you how it has been falling in Hollywood to young, hot, everyone's got style, lifestyle of L.A.

Given the previous security level in high school life has been easy for you to drop in and be part of it. - Oh my god, no, it's like going back to high school. - Yeah, right. - Every red carpet I'm like, oh my god, oh my god.

- You just played Coachella and I was like, you know a lot of pictures of people who went to Coachella and I was like, I'm just not young and hot enough and I don't dress well enough, I think, to attend Coachella's, which is I would like to go.

Everyone is looking peek and I was thinking, how are you in that environment?

“- I think style is all about who you are”

and how you carry yourself. The coolest girl I know who has the best confidence and aura, that is style to me. She could wear a t-shirt and cut off and I'd be like, wow, wow, I'm gonna copy that.

So that and Coachella really showed that to me. No matter what, if you're a shitty person, you're out, if it's gonna suck. - Yeah. - And that's so true, yeah.

- But if you are a really kind and lovely hot energy person, you can wear whatever you want and you will have the best outfit.

- So you go and you carry your confidence. - Okay, okay, okay.

“- But as a musician, I'm currently in between the two weekends.”

So this is raw. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - I feel like we're getting a hot date. - I was Sunday night.

So I'd seen Sabrina Carpenter, I'd seen Katzai, I saw Bieber. - What did you think of that? I saw clips of it on. I was like, I really wish I would have seen that. - It was awesome.

Also just being a part of that. - Yeah.

- I never, oh my god, I couldn't, you know,

there's like an artist pit and a VIP pit. They're always different. - It wrong. - Everything completely, like you couldn't get in. My takeaway from Coachella is my first Coachella.

Is GA is the way to do it. - General mission. - General mission. - Oh, okay, tell me more. The screens are huge and the music is carrying.

If you can just be in the back with your friends, dance around with a little space, you can take out the photos, you can go run to the bathroom, you won't lose your place, you can go get that.

Talk, go and not lose your place. That is, I think, the move. - Okay. - Also, the toilet situation is shitty, no matter who you are. So you may as well be Andrea.

- Yeah. - So you were in the way back. - I was in the way back for Bieber and it was amazing. And then I had to go check out my stage

and I went all the way around and I was by the outdoor stage which was just kind of further away from main stage. And there was no one there and I watched Bieber from so far away.

Just the end when he started going through all this old hits. I had the time of my life, the time of my life. But I was real broadcasting and wearing a mask. So I was kind of like, just a boating.

- Okay. - Yeah. - You're like your body, do the talking. - I love my body, do the talking. - Yeah.

- But I love it as a concert goer. I admittedly don't get nervous when I go on stage at all. Especially when it's my own concerts 'cause it's such a unique thing.

I think people are confused about what the experience of a low-vac concert is like, do we stand, do we sit, do we sing, do we sit in silence? Is this a theater show, is this an arena show?

What makes sense? I feel like I've really balanced it out and it makes a lot of sense in my show. - It's very cohesive, you're arena. You've got ballarinas, you've got the jazz set up.

- Yes, but we're in an arena and we can move around. There's a pop portion of the show. There's the jazz portion. There's the more classical bit. And an arena, you can kind of morph into whatever you want.

And then obviously, I feel a theater is always lovely.

- So are you happy with the way it went? - The festival. - By the time I got to my set, after seeing all of these incredible, I-- - Yeah, I would not want to see that before.

- Yeah, scary. - First of all, I was like, I got a lock-in 'cause they were also incredible. But also, I kind of got in my head. I was like, is this a place for me?

- I would do. - I was like, are people going to be okay

“that this isn't necessarily going to be a mosh pit?”

- Well, also, just acknowledge what it is. You're with the best of the best. - Yeah. - And the audience is there for everybody, somebody, nobody, your audience, you walk out in the arena.

These people love you. - There's a lot of discovery going on, which is super exciting. And I got a little nervous. Completely melted away after the second or third song.

But when I came out first, also, it was a little cold and windy. - These natural elements that you're all day, they were like, we don't know if we can do the pyro, which I had pyro in the end.

- Oh, fine. - All day, they were like, we don't know, we have to chain up the castle, 'cause I have a castle and stuff. They were like, we got to chain it up, it's windy.

So I was like, I'm no clue what this stage is gonna be like. And I don't play many festivals for that reason, of I really like creating a community that fans get to come into and feel safe. - Yeah.

- And on tour, I have so much control over there. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Whereas like a Coachella, but I want to like Coachella. My whole goal as an artist is to introduce people to my music, to my sound.

And as many people as possible. And Coachella is absolutely the place to do it. And I want to be on those stages. I want to be in front of those people.

So I was daunting, but after the second song,

I was like, okay, this is fine. - I know what to do. - Yeah, and I love performing. So I really settled into it. And it was so cool to get to hopefully

turn some new fans onto the music. - Yeah, yeah. - And there was a K-pop group on After Me, called Big Bang, they're like legends. And all of their fans were in the front,

which was also daunting, 'cause I've kept actually like looking at them feeling like, oh no, are they disappointed right now? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And when they super young and my crazy to think

that K-pop audience is gonna be pretty young. - Yes and no, but Big Bang's been around for a while. They're kind of like the OG K-pop group. That's really like made it in the West as well. So they were a little older than I thought,

but my audience is very young. - If anything, my Coachella audience was older. - Oh really? - Yeah.

“- Are you gonna do anything different next weekend?”

- What's next weekend? - Also next weekend's Coachella. - It's still going. - Oh, I'm in between Coachella as well. - I did go.

- It is so raw, yeah. - And is it the same performers? - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - That's the whole point.

This is a big moment. We're getting you ready. - Yeah. - My head spinning. It goes on for two weekends.

- Two weekends. - But people come home, I guess. - Oh yeah. - I mean, how else was I supposed to do?

- Wow. - I know exactly we got you guys. - Yeah. - So love me. - But so anything you're gonna make any changes,

are you happy you want to just do it again?

“- I think you don't just gonna do it again.”

- I'm just gonna do it again. - See if it blows away. - See if it blows away. - I'm just going on top of the couch. - Oh my.

- I just changed the swing though. - 'Cause I was like, why off the floor. - I loved it so much. So I don't think I'm gonna change much. I'm gonna have a different outfit.

- I love it. - And I'm really excited to just go knowing how it feels. - You can't sound check it, Cretella. You don't get to just feel the stage. - I got to see the stage before, but other than that,

I didn't get to move on it or try the instruments or anything. So you're really going into a completely new environment. But now all record yourself. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - What a cool thing to check off the list.

That's a huge thing as an artist. - Okay, now I do not mean musically when I ask this. I'm more mean just trajectory. Is there an artist that you're like, that's the road I hope I'm on?

Is there someone that you idolize in this space that you kind of want there trajectory?

- I don't think so, because the second I stopped playing

that game with myself, I started to succeed. - Meaning stop trying to get somewhere specific. - I'm trying to figure out who's road I was gonna walk. If that makes sense. - Yeah.

- I want longevity, I think. - That's my main goal. I love doing this. I don't want it to go away. Music is something that can follow you forever.

I'm not a football player that has to retire. There's so much beauty to that. So as long as I love it, I'm gonna keep doing it. - Okay, really quick, you wrote a children's book. I wish you had a broad it or someone would have sent me.

- A broad it, yeah. - Is it Maymae the bunny? - Maymae the bunny. - Mm-hmm. - Tell me about Maymae the bunny.

Why are we encouraged to tell her story? - Tell her story. - Maymae the bunny is a little bunny who is playing violin. Learning the violin, and she has her first concert. - Mm-hmm.

- And she's nervous. - Sure. - Lots of butterflies in the tummy. - Yeah. - And she has like an anxiety dream that night before her concert

where it all goes horribly wrong as we fall had.

And she learns that making mistakes are not always bad

that you can redirect it into something beautiful. - We love that for Maymae and for all of us. - Once the Japanese were and they were gonna get it. - Sugii. - Sugii.

- The imperfections are the beauty notes. (laughs) And then of course a matter of time, there's a special version that just came out. - There is the final hour.

- The final hour. And you just finished your world arena tour. How many cities did you go to? - I've done the US in Europe. I think we're over 50 now.

- Wow. - Levy, this has been incredible. I'm really glad that we got to meet you especially that you took time and between these two shows. I didn't realize it was double weekend.

- I'm so excited. - I'm so excited. - I didn't know about Hudson.

“The only thing I'm bummed about is are you gonna plan Sunday again?”

- Yeah. - Okay, 'cause I'm mad 'cause you can't party. - Yes, a lot of nobody talks about this. And I've discovered the absolute horror, no, not the horror. The sadness of playing on Sunday night.

- Yeah. - It's beautiful because you get to send people off into the night. And for me, that is my perfect slot. In the evening, in the dark, as one of the final little shows, it's cozy,

it's a little more like romantic. Everyone's ears drums are out. They're all hung over like, it's a good place to be. You can stand with a glass of water and not get washed on. - Right.

- But I had to vocal rest. Friday, Saturday, I didn't go to the festival, Saturday, say, for Bieber and going to see the stage. - But I was like, wow, this sucks. Like, if I played Friday,

- You could go to the party all Saturdays. - You have a whole week to recover. - outfit picks, is that what you call them? - Yeah. - Like, was not doing that.

I was so stressed a little bit, because I was like, oh my God, I'm gonna get sick. - Yeah. - Or also you get to the desert. It's new conditions, you're super dry.

I was wearing a mask. - Do you belong to the bottle with the straw that we saw? - Yes. - Marcus Mumford did.

- Yeah.

“- Oh, this vocal straw's very important.”

- Yeah, I wanna go in just for fun. - I know, too. - It looks cool and it sounds cool. - Yeah. - Yeah.

- Okay. My only regret is that I did not make your sister bring her violin and you the cello. I would love to see these sisters play the string. You don't wanna hear us play in our current state.

- I bet we-- - It would sound perfect to us. - You would know we would have no idea. - Yeah. - If you guys could play like uptown girl by Billy Joel one

and we would be like, oh, I'll be right there. - She's like, that's the hardest song in the whole world. - That was a call back, 'cause she played with Billy Joel at the Grammys. - Oh, yeah.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It was very funny. I did play cello with him. - All right, well, good luck on everything. - Thank you.

- To it for, made me the bunny. Get the new re-release of a matter of time. Go on that YouTube, watch the Coachella Sets. - Are those all on YouTube? - They are, I think, right?

- They are.

- Just skip the first song.

- Okay, just go ahead. - It's all on that side. - It's all on that side. - Keep it moving. - Go with you when you're sad.

- You want your one? You got a saddle. - Look, we can all relate to that. So that was a chance to second. - Oh, I'm sorry, it was cold.

- I'm sure it was cold. - It's a desert.

It's a hostile environment.

“All right, well, good luck with everything.”

I was lovely meeting you. - You too, you too. (upbeat music) - I sure hope there weren't any mistakes in that episode, but we'll find out when my mom misses Monica,

comes in and tells us who was wrong. - We were sent this. - Yeah. - And it's a super cute. - Oh.

- These are chocolate covered Oreo. - Oh. - There's, that's so cute. - The Lincoln peeling out on a small... - Oh.

- Yeah, utopia suites. And here's one Monica. Can you see, you can't see it? - I definitely can't see it. - This is you and I holding microphone somewhere.

- Oh, there you go. - There you go. - Rice crispy tree. - We're at a restaurant. We want a real award, and we were accepting it,

and we were answering questions.

- Yeah, look at this one.

This is us back in the saddle. Upstairs. Good catch. - Oh, this is my glass noodle. - No, this is the good old days

from upstairs. - Yes. - Wow. You very cute. Thank you Utopia sweet.

- Yes, it's so adorable. - This guy, that's really cute. You can't see that. - Wow, I can see it's a chair, I think. - That's a microphone.

Here you go. That's one, two, three. - Another good catch. - I'm so good. I catch.

- Ding ding ding. I saw some video where they were saying for your brain a good exercise

“is this trainer makes the people bounce a ball off a wall,”

but with one eye covered with an iPad. - Oh, never. - And, I mean, this is now a brag. I didn't see it going this way. But I was like, oh, I got started doing that.

I want to make sure both sides of my brain are working. - Yeah, yeah. - So I brought two iPatches up to the gym today, and I ordered white tennis balls, so they wouldn't even mark on the wall.

- Oh, sorry, didn't it? - It wasn't. I wasn't horny. - I don't know if that's a good sign. I must be doing something else.

'Cause the person that was being trained was like, they had to get there. - All right. - Once your one eye is covered, but it went really good.

- Okay, but this is tricky because like, okay, you might just not be good at catching a ball even with two eyes open. - Well, again, you could set your baseline with your eyes both eyes.

- Uh-huh. - Can I do this a lot? Can I do four with one hand catch with the other back and forth? That would give you a sense of how good you are.

- Right. - But let's say you could do it six times and a row with your eyes both eyes.

“And then you, you couldn't do it with one eye.”

- Wow. - I don't know. I'm into Chuck and one eye down. - Great. - I think that's done.

- I think that's done. - Crazy update. - What? - I had it again last night. - Uh-oh.

- So I was like, okay. - I think it's sick. - No, it's not back 'cause it was so specific. - Really? - And then I reverse engineered.

- We're talking about haunted. - People are gonna love this. People hate puppets are gonna love this. - Oh no. Hold on, let's go back and timeless.

Tell people what happened. - Yeah, we went to a screening of a movie three of us. - Yes. - And Robin, I pop corn. And then I also, you described the milk duds, I ate.

- Okay. (laughs) - So yeah, we went to a cool screening where there's like treats, not like these treats. - We're all. - We're all. - None of us, no pictures of us on any of it.

- And Dax like's milk duds in his popcorn and they had milk duds and it was like, "Are you gonna get milk duds?" I just might get milk duds today. How excited.

- Might be naughty, I say. - Yeah. - And then he opens the milk duds plural. And turns out it's just one enormous milk duds.

Cangealed together, but with like a dust on it. Like this has been there. - When chocolate gets really old, you know, it gets that dust. - But it cangealed.

And I have to, 'cause you got to brag a second ago,

I want to brag right now, okay. You started to pull on off and put it in your mouth and the restraint. - Oh, good job. - I know.

- Yeah. - Thank you, I wasn't even gonna tell you. - Okay, great, but here we are. - Yeah. - Where I wanted to say, "No, do not eat that." Please don't eat that.

This is clearly very old. - Or has been through some weird heat cycle. - Exactly, exactly. - Exactly, exactly. - And I just want for the listener to know,

if the box of milk duds is like six inches long, the congealed mass was only like three inches, like it was only making a small break. - Maybe even a third of the box and it was a break, but I could see fissures

in there where the old duds had fallen. So I broke one off and you ate it. - Yeah, I did have very few. I think I probably had like seven. - Okay.

- Just enough to give me a little sugar pop to be a popcorn even better. So it was a great movie. We loved it, you'll hear about it. I'm really great movie, I loved it.

And then I got home, did my nighttime routine, which involves peptides. - Uh-huh. - And now here's something I, I kind of just ignored in my analysis.

I had a report to Rob in Monica that about 2 a.m. I woke up and was like,

“oh my god, I gotta go to the bathroom right now.”

I never have to go number two in the middle

than I ever. - Yeah, it, yeah. - And then when I did do that, it was an event. - It was.

- And then there were a few events. And it was miserable. So I came in and I admitted to you guys, well first I said, "Rob did you get sick." He said, "No."

But I said, "It wasn't the popcorn." I was convinced it was the popcorn. - I know. Even you said that, I was like, - I was like a communal handle and communal everything.

- Well, it's just like, it's so simple though, it's popcorn and oil. I know, but it's, it's the handle. It's like peanuts on a bar. It's like, you're handling this handle

that everyone's dipping their hand and they don't clean the inside of it. - All right. - So we all said it's the most. It's obviously the brick, you ate, yeah.

- Yeah, and it made total sense and I was like, yeah, that's it.

So then last night, I do my peptides again.

- Mm-hmm. - And now when I'm laying in bed, I'm having like an excessive amount of saliva. And it's like driving me nuts 'cause I'm trying to fall asleep.

And when I was experiencing that, I did go, "Oh yeah, I had this last night when I went to bed, right?" - Oh, I did. - I'm like, what's going on? I'm allergic to something I'm doing for fall asleep.

Fuckin' one AM, I gotta run over to the commode. And I do repeat the whole exam. And now I go. - And you didn't have this issue at all during the day yesterday.

- So it's 100%, either the barrage of vitamins I take. - Right. - That night, yeah. - Or one of my peptides. - Okay.

- And here's my deduction. - Mm-hmm. - It's easy to make the case for the pills because I'm doing omega-3 fish oil. And then I'm like, oh, it has some of these fish oil pills

come back. That kind of makes sense. - Uh-huh. - But then I'm like, but that's a really quick reaction. So then I go, oh, I started a new vial of a peptide

on Monday night. - Oh fuck, well, I'm like, wow. - And I'm like, that's what it is. There's something in that one vial. - But it's what when you've been on for a while,

that's just a new vial. - It's just a new vial. - It's just a new vial. On time, so it's not the peptide just, you know, there's, you go through a bunch of vial.

And I was saying this morning to Chris and it's like, you eat enough lettuce. You're gonna get lost here on some of the lettuce. It's just like a numbers game. - You just gotta wash it.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but bacon. And you know what I mean? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - You know what I mean? - It happens.

- Okay. - So that's most certainly what it is. So I guess tonight I'll be the trial. I will take all my pills, but I will not touch the other thing

and then see if I have any issues.

So it's step, now the problem is there's two

that I started. - Oh fuck. - So I'm just through them both away. - Okay, yeah. - And then we'll start off sort of new.

- Interesting. - Yeah.

“- I don't love the idea of peptide's going rancid, you know?”

- Yeah, and I don't know that that would be what happened. I don't think the peptide goes rancid. I think some contaminate was either on the rubber, you know, I don't know. - You clean it.

- I clean it, but it's a big chunk of rubber you've put a needle all the way through. I can't clean the inside of the rubber. I can't clean the underside of the rubber where it's inside the bottle.

- Yeah. - So just like when I got my shoulders or jewellery, they sterilized everything and also they left a bacteria in me that became a huge infection.

So anyways, that'll make people happy that he peptides? - Okay. - Probably, I think. - Wow.

- Okay, well now we have to apologize to the milk duds. - We do, this is like kind of my formal public and the milk duds. - I guess that milk duds was not a dud like we thought. - No.

- It was just fine. - I wish I still had that brick. I might get into it right now. - Yeah, oh man. - Yeah, so a lot's been going on at night.

- Oh, yeah. - Well hopefully tonight, new night, fresh start, new day. - Now if you have it tonight, then you have to say it's the vitamins. - Correct.

- Okay. - The following night, I own it. What I don't believe is that I have a virus that only strikes at one point. - I agree.

- One am. - If you had had it all day. - Immediately after I take all this stuff. - Yeah, no. - Yeah, yeah.

- Yeah. - It doesn't make a ton of sense to me. And then I feel completely fine and I don't have the saliva thing and I don't have anything throughout the day.

- Interesting, weird. - It's an interesting. - To begin with that movie, which we're not gonna talk about but 'cause we're gonna talk about it later.

- I was saying this to you the other day

“but I think it's worth putting out in the world.”

- I just think there's something in the air right now. Storytelling was marriage stories. - Okay. - And everywhere, it's in the zeitgeist. It's like all the things I'm consuming

are about marriage. Drama, beef, strangers, this book that I read

This movie we saw.

It's like people are really commenting on marriage right now.

- Yeah, yeah. - It's interesting.

“- I guess something-- - And mostly all negative, is that?”

- Well, I wouldn't say it's all negative. It's just like examining the union. - What it means to be married. - Uh-huh, yeah. - And I don't know.

It's kind of wild out there. - What do you think is what do you think set this bowl? - Exactly. I guess sometimes these things just happen.

It's like when Armageddon and Deep Impact came out at the same time. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Why it up in tombstone? - Yeah, I know what those are.

So, so yeah, I just, 'cause it's funny because the movie that we saw, I actually thought you at during the beginning, I was like, oh, he doesn't like this. - Oh, really?

- I thought you didn't like it

because it was kind of at first

like kind of a negative portrayal. - It starts with an Oscar Wild quote, which is like everyone deserves love. Something like that. - Yeah.

- That's why you shouldn't--

“- That's why you should never get married.”

Or something like that. - Yes. - Yeah, I'm not triggered by that. Like if people hate marriage. - Yeah.

- Or they had a bad marriage. - Yeah. - Again, probably 'cause I don't have any insecurity on the topic. It's like, yeah, some people,

some people have terrible friendships, some people have terrible parent child relationships, some people have terrible marriages, some people have terrible, boyfriend girlfriend situations.

- Yeah. - That's poor for the course. - Mm-hmm. - I know, I just because the portrayal was pretty like E, like at first,

and I thought you were thinking that, oh, this is like, isn't a good portrayal marriage, but then you loved it, so then that was interesting. - Yeah, I mean, what's kind of inherent

is story is driven by conflict. There is no version of a story of a happy marriage. That story can't really be told. There's nothing there. You can tell the story of two people

following and love them being challenged and then the end is marriage. Or you can tell the story of a marriage dissolving, but a movie about a good job, it's not a movie.

You need devilware's prod, you need conflicts.

You're never gonna get the other version of the story.

- There's always gonna be conflict, but like, rom comes historically and happily. - In marriage, yeah, but the marriage is the end. - Right. - You never live in the marriage.

You live in the story part, which is like getting to marriage. - Yeah, great job. - Marriage can be in the background and it can be portrayed as very happy and nourishing.

But it can't be the storyline unless something happens to it. So my assumption is anyone is gonna tell a marriage story. It's gonna be one filled with conflict. - Sure. - Or it's gonna be born as hell.

- Right, it's just, it's very, it's, it's in the ether. And as someone not married, I find it kind of fascinating that all of a sudden all these stories are popping up. - All it works. - Well, does it feel like confirmation,

do you like all I wouldn't wanna do that? - No, it doesn't, it doesn't feel like, oh, I dodged a bullet or something at all. I can see why that some people would take that away from some of these things.

- Absolutely, I think you've decided you don't wanna get married. Any portrayal that being terrible is confirmation true. - Right. - You don't wanna get married. - I know.

- I also am interested in, I don't give a fuck who gets married.

“I think a lot of different countries have transitioned”

still into lifetime parabond, but not the title married. Now there is a reality, there's a statistical reality to the outcomes of being married, which are also very true and kind of undeniable, like these bizarre health ones, you know? - Yeah.

- Like I just read one, like the cancer rate for unmarried people versus married is a dramatically different and it's even higher for women. - I wonder if that has, but I wonder if pear, like if that's in the United States

because most people who are partnered for a long time get married, like the majority. So I wonder if in these other countries where they don't what the stats would be. - Yeah, imagine they need a category on these surveys

that are like long-term pear bond. - Exactly. - For their health outcomes. But I think, like look, we have, you know, Vivek Murphy, there's so much great data about just being communal.

- Oh, yeah, loneliness is the death. - Loneliness, death. - Yeah, it's worse than smoking cigarettes. So it's like, okay, so that's, we don't know what that mechanism is, but we also can't deny the really stark data.

And then the marriage thing, I don't know, like I think it'd be inclined to go like, "Oh, 'cause you tell each other to go to the hospital." And I think that's a component of it. And you have another outside observer

that my notice that your energy level's been low

So you have a colpile, yep.

- But that's the, that's the mechanical tangible part that I definitely think's part of it. But also there's another thing we don't know what it is. - Well, I think I know what it is.

“I think if you are happy, then you care about your health.”

So like if you're happy and you're noticing like, "Oh, like I'm really tired, you're incentivized "to go get that figured out, 'cause you want to live." - You want to return that? - Yes, exactly.

- You notice when you're not happy. - Yes, exactly. But I, you know, I think loneliness can be handled in a lot of ways, you know? - But yeah.

- People can find purpose in it as well. - Yeah. - And that's like a huge driver of your life. - Yes. - And you can certainly find purpose and other things. But that's one sitting on the table in that situation.

- 100% yes. I mean, look on it on a very just very fundamental level of course, I've thought, okay, so last night, we won't talk about it because I know everyone hates dreams. But I just had like a series of horrible dreams

throughout the entire night. And I just like kept waking up after them and being like, "Oh, it's like still night." Like, this is horrible. - I have those night.

- It's so bad. And I have this weird thing happens to me sometimes. Where, how many of you have experiences

“or if the audience has they can comment, I won't read it?”

Where I'm like stuck in this pattern in a dream. So like, and then I'll wake up from the dream, but I'll still be in the dream. But I've like woken up and then the whole thing happens again. But I think I've woken up.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And it's weird because when I lived in the apartment and this would happen, the dream, the being stuck, was about my house. - Okay.

- Like I would wake up at my house and then things would happen. But I'd be like, no, I think this is a dream. Like I got to wake up. - Yeah.

- And then I would wake up and I'm still in that house. And it's this bizarre thing that just keeps happening

until I finally actually wake up.

- Right. - But my dream last night was that, but it was in my apartment. - Oh, geez, okay now we're going to do that. - It was so weird.

But it kept happening over and over and over again and it's like horrifying 'cause you think you're awake and you're not in it. Yeah, and I don't know what it is. And so I did wake up and think,

I wonder what's happening with my body and over my voice or anything during these things. Like I wonder if I'm doing anything. - In real life. - In real life.

- Some is observing you and you're better. - Exactly. - Exactly. - Exactly. - Or if something was happening,

could I be woken up and I was like, well, I won't ever, for now. I won't know that 'cause no one shares a bed with me. - Right. - And that's like an example.

Even with the epilepsy, like the first seizure.

- Yeah. - Why didn't I? - Yeah, your back hurt. - Yeah, and I beat him. - Yeah.

- Yeah, everything hurt. - No one saw. So even those things, 'cause when I was at a hotel with members, I was at a hotel with Cali and she said that, you called someone a stupid bitch in the middle of the night.

I was like, oh my god, how often am I doing that? - Sure. - There's just moments.

“I mean, I think there's moments for both.”

I think when you're married, there's moments where you want to be not married and when you're single, there's moments you want to be married. It's a given day. Stay tuned for more armchair experts if you dare.

(upbeat music) - The problem with our current culture is things can be and there's like, I so much easier. So it's like, you read that book. I don't know, you ordered that book.

There's a paper trail in the internet of you having ordered that book. People buy that information. Then you see a post that's this. And now it's feeding you everything

that's about marriage right now. And then it has the illusion that everyone's talking about it or making art about it. But it's like, also you're missing all this other stuff. This is for everyone.

Like all of our interests are driven to us. - Yeah, this feels a little different 'cause it's like-- - It feels objective, right? - Well no, there are a lot of movies and shows right now

that are about it. Even DTF San Luis, I would say, is a relationship. - But then there's also some six-year-old woman right now that is like, she's being fed the four different projects that are about child trafficking.

- Right. - And for her, it feels like child trafficking's the big thing. I'm really noticing it 'cause my mom's here and I'm really, really learning how much

The amount of stuff that she knows about that's going on in the government. - Yeah, it's a little older person.

“I think there's, I think mom's and dads.”

- They're doing that, we keep talking about the youth and I don't know that that's the right focus. We live in a narrow where you can fill your entire day. There's like one thing that comes out about the courts and there's a few things that are happening in Congress

that in the Senate and the President's doing stuff. And there's the DA and the ICE and they're,

it's just like never in history have people

been receiving more updates on what's happening with the government and I think, although it's bad, but the onslaught of knowing of every little thing that everything a congressman said to do another congressman in a hallway.

- Yeah. - Is that your disposal? - Yeah. - And it's just, it's a lot, it's a lot, man. - But I do think, yeah, the older people

will also you're retired, like, if you don't have a job to go to all day long and kids to take care of or whatever, like you may not have as much of a social life the older you get, like, yeah, it's there. - It's a very convenient, easy source of engagement.

- Exactly. - But I think it gets you, I mean, I know. - Well, yeah, it gets everyone out of that. - It gets you the profiting on. - Oh yeah.

- Your outreach. - The impact it has on your emotions. - Yeah. - And I just think you're turning over a ton of your emotional agency.

- Yeah, definitely. - Oh, and it really is. - But I just do think, I just wonder if there's any changing people once they hit a certain age. - Yeah, it's just hard for me to accept.

- It's hard for me. - In the same way if I was watching my children go down a rabbit hole, I would feel very inclined to somehow try to intervene. - I know. - 'Cause I hold, as a family member

and I was really realizing this, this week, you have a very unique role. And you really do tell each other the truth. There's no protecting of the relationship in the way an interpersonal friendship.

- Right. - There's boundaries and there's a lot of shit in your business and you gotta let people be who they are. But your family will tell you, your family, my mum will just, she's here and she's looking,

your hair's getting so curly in back.

I would have never thought it was curly.

I'd never thought it would have gone curly. It was so straight when you could, and then it's on the next thing and she's just scanning. - Yeah, I know, they love to scan.

“- Yeah, and that's what family members do.”

- Right. - And of course I'm reading so much sederous and so I'm hearing how they talk to each other. And so it's a gift in a lot of ways. 'Cause they're just telling you, like, wow,

I've noticed you're this way now, which is different from how I've known you to be, right around maybe that's a good change or anything. - Yeah, yeah. - But family members tell each other.

- I know, I tell people, sometimes it gets me in trouble, "Yeah, it doesn't really go well with friends." - Well, I guess it depends on the friendship and the closeness and the trust. - But you're perinal to go, you're gaining weight.

- Oh, why do they do? - You've lost weight, you've gained weight, right?

- Why are they always doing that?

(laughing) - It's so, but it is annoying. - It's sure, but I also think it's an important mechanism in our life because it's not a yes, man. It's not a friend. - No, it's gone now.

- Yeah, and it's not bad to have some people in your life that are just like, "Hey, man, here's what I see that's different." - Yeah, I think it, well, I definitely think it's not good to have like, "Yes, man, I very much believe that."

But like, I don't know that anyone needs to just be anyone, whether it's your family or not needs to be like, "Oh, like, what's on your, like, you, so you got a little like wrinkles now here." Like, like, no, I don't, like, it does not.

You can just keep your mouth shut about that. - A little wrinkles here. - Like, yeah, the physical. - I can noticing your chin. - The physical narration, I don't know this helpful,

'cause what can you do? - Exactly. - The big shifts in personality, or I know you're in an issue sad lately,

“more than you have been, that's what family will tell you.”

- Yeah. - And friends don't always do that. - Yeah, I think they should do that. - So it has any enormous value, right? - I think. - Well, sure, yeah.

- Yeah, even though it's, it's uncomfortable. - But we talked about this before, it's like telling people they shouldn't do something, whether they're family or not, it doesn't work. Like, if it's like, well, we even just had someone on,

and we were talking about, and it's coming up, so we won't spoil it. But a kid who got himself into a very bad situation, and the parents were like, noticing, but they can't be like, hey, don't do that,

'cause that just makes the kid be like, fuck you. - Well, they hadn't thrown up their arms in the air, either. They were trying to ride the lawn. - Sure. - And they knew more than anyone that he had changed.

- Well, of course. But the point is just saying like, hey, what you're doing is wrong, or this is bad, just straight up calling something out like that.

- Always, and in fact, it doesn't work.

- Yeah. - Which is it? - There's times it's bad and times it's good. - Right. - And certainly, I have heard when my parents have made

observations about me, and I have had to think about it one way or another. I might conclude, I don't agree with them, or there's no value to what they're saying. - Yeah.

- But it forced me to take a minute to do a little inventory and examine if there's any merit to what they're saying. - Right. - And most friends aren't even gonna say the thing that would get me thinking that.

- They should. - Not you, in general. - Yeah, there's a tactical way to do it. There's a kind way to tell people, like, I'm noticing this about you, I'm concerned.

- Yeah.

“- I love you, so that's why I'm saying it.”

Like, I think that's, again, maybe because I invest a lot in friendship, that is extremely important to me, to be able to do and to receive it. And again, like you said, like, sometimes I'm like, well, I disagree.

- Yeah, it goes right and it goes right. I'm just gonna assist sisters. We'll look at each other and go, holy shit.

You should never get bangs again.

It looks like shit. - Right. - Now, no friends, say that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - But you're just gonna just tell you

the goddamn crew about that. And so that might be, you might go like, you know, yeah. - Yeah, my brother's coming. - What the fuck are you thinking with blank? Like, just siblings do that to each other.

- Sure. - Sure. - Sure. They do. - They do.

- Yeah, my brother's coming to visit tomorrow. - Tomorrow. - Good morning. - I'm excited. - With his lady?

- Yes, lovely. - I know, I'm really excited. - Have you planned a bunch of things? - No, everyone keeps asking me that. And then I say no and everyone's like,

you know, doing the side eye. - Oh, I think that's fine. I'm just, I'm going to Nashville

“to have a guy's trip with Aaron and Aaron.”

- Oh, nice. - Yeah, and so I have planned a bunch of stuff that we may or may not do, right? - I normally am such a planner. - Yeah, we've got a horse.

I fucking scheduled us for horseback riding. - Oh my God. - Simply because you know, none of us would want to do that. And I think it'll be so funny. - Well, this would be something so funny

about us all doing something that we don't want to do. - Yeah, and also Aaron went horseback riding over spring break and Kentucky and he liked that. - Did you? So there's an untold, I watched yesterday

about a horseback rider. - Well, the one that just came out. - Yeah. - To the movie back for the point. - I love untold.

- It's a great season. - All blessings untold. They do such a good job. - They really do. But yeah, it made me, I'm like,

"Okay, people are going to be mad. I'm interested in this." But like, the horse world is-- - It's an interesting world. - It's specific.

- It's yeah. Yeah. You've not watched the chest. You've not watched the chest. - I'm going to try to--

- I love that. - I love chest. - I love not knowing how to play. I do want to learn how to play chest. - It's a fun game.

- I want someone to teach me. - The only bummer with chest is unlike most other games where at least minimally for your ego, you can go, "I got bad cards." Or I got a bad title that.

- Like, sometimes it's just luck. - It is a battle of your brain. - Yeah. - And when you lose, you're like, "Oh, I'm dumber than this.

It's hard." - Oh, yeah. - You don't go like, "Oh, experience has a lot to do with this game." - Right. - But I used-- I had a-- I had a spell and it was one of my favorite zones of life.

Me and my friend, Kering, who's not with us anymore. We used to play chess, listen to Fiona Apple, and drink-- - What? - Can you drink while playing?

'Cause don't you have to like, think a lot? - You're probably not getting better at the game, but probably he didn't drink as much as I did, but I think he did other things that I wasn't doing.

- Point is, it was so lovely, and we were so beautifully matched that it went back and forth. Like, no one left going like, "Yeah, I'm fucked up." - Every time.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

“I think that's what you're hoping for a partner”

that's like, "Once in a while, you're winning." - Yeah. - I mean, you got to your supposed play was one better than you. - If you want to get better.

- Yeah. - But if you want to have fun in this life-- - Yeah. - Okay, let's do a little fact. - Okay, thank you.

- Okay, this is for LaVe. I'm very impressed by classical musicians. - Yeah. - I really am. - It's interest.

- I wish I was one. - I can see what that you would be impressed by them. - Yeah, I think discipline is-- - Yeah, you loved it. - Well, it's hard.

- The gymnasts. - I'm impressed by adventures that have a level of talent, obviously. But what separates the good from the best are is discipline.

- Yeah. - I love that. - I know, yeah, a lot of people do. A lot of people do. - Yeah.

- Yeah, when I look at-- Oh, I can't even really say my opinion of all of it. I kind of came out in the interview, but it's like-- - Yeah.

- The whole goal is to ultimately play this thing

perfectly on perfect pitch.

There's a math to it. The music already exists, you're not. So that, to me, versus jazz, improv. - Right. - To me, it was like, wow, this is great.

This parallel so many of our debates. It's like Neil Patrick Harris, that he would watch a woodworking video on YouTube and replicate the steps. And you were like, yes, that's great.

- Yeah. - And I was like, why even woodwork if you're not being right. - Being right. - What are you saying? - Yeah, and then the reward of figuring it out

for me without instructions so wonderful. - Yeah. - But yeah, the notion that you're going to replicate something perfectly as the goal. - Well, here's, okay, I have a little bit of a difference.

- Okay.

“- I think that, like, I like being taught.”

I like knowing the rules. I like knowing how to execute. I want to be perfect, but I also want all of that, so that I can't, you can, yeah, you can play a little on top of it,

you can be a little like fun and playful on top of like the bedrock of perfection. - Yeah. - Like the classic, like jazz to me is that, they still know, like they know music in and out.

- But they could never play in a symphony orchestra.

- Right. - Like as great as cold train is, was, I don't know that he can be first chair in the Boston Symphony Orchestra or the saxophone. - That's true, probably, I'm maybe not, yeah.

- I don't think one's right or wrong. I just think it's funny which one you're drawn to. And for me, I can imagine being proud of myself that I replicated something through lots of wrote. And that, in its best version,

I played as good as this violinist from the 1960s, everyone that was perfect. - Versus on both, you know, I kind of sound like shit, but I like pushing entire genre somewhere. - Right, I don't know, I guess, yeah, different.

But I don't think I'm trying to replicate anything, but I am trying to be good at what I'm doing, like objectively good and subjectively good. I want it all. - You want it all, don't we all?

“- Yeah, okay, what are the levels of weather warnings?”

Red is the highest alert level synonyms, extreme danger, warning, signaling, imminent risk to life and widespread damage. Orange is the second level. Synonyms, severe preparedness, watch,

indicating severe weather that may cause significant localized damage. Looks like there's a yellow as well. Moderate, localized, short term. - Good, look for those colors.

I'm even aware of the system.

I've never seen the weather.

- I know, we live in a color. (laughs) But even in Michigan, I don't remember them saying like, there's an orange warning for a blizzard. - Yeah, well, this is an ice sign.

- It's only an ice sign. - Well, I don't know, it might be other places too, but all that weather taught gave me a moment to really take in all the many things that are on your sweater.

(laughs) And it's a real hage podge. It totally works, but it's like, I'm looking at, first I see the deer in the corner.

“I'm like, oh, this is kind of an abdominal deal.”

- Uh-huh. - But then I see what looks like a snowflake, but then I realize, no, that's like a spring tree. - Yeah. - And then there's some flowers.

It's really anything the artist, there's a sheep. It's pretty gorgeous. I really like that. - Thank you. - Thank you.

- But it's a real hage podge of different images. - What do we think this one is? - I have Alina. - What's that? - A wild pig.

- Yeah. - Oh, yeah. - Okay, well, I think-- - Or a poombaza. - Or a wordhog.

It also looks like a fog. - Oh, yeah. - I think technically-- - Yeah, what's the theme there? - These are like biblical images.

- Oh, biblical. Okay, this is part of your conversion. - Yeah, I just, I'm trying to just sneak it in. - It's not all. - No, I just loved the sweater,

but I think it's like biblical animals. - Okay, and then they do animals. - I guess. - Yeah, I'm gonna be started on Noah's Ark. - I want there to be real in a sense,

but I want there to also be a discovery documentary about what absolute pandemonium and chaos there. - Oh, what would it be? - Yeah, I know. - I know.

- I know. - I know. - I know. - You know what? - I'm a genetic diversity.

I don't know where the genetic diversity came from. - From the animals? - If there's only two, where's all the-- - Well, they're mixing and matching. - Oh, Jesus, this is interspecies.

- Yeah. - In the bird, why does bird stay put? - Oh, like feet on the bow, maybe they flew above. - So just the butt was cruising, just like every known bird was hovering above.

- Okay.

“And these birds that have to live in the wild.”

- No, maybe not every note.

Maybe all the birds weren't infected. - It's just a bold of all the stories and I understand they're all allegory or whatnot and they're parables and they're-- - They're like, you think it's too hard about it.

- But it's a bold one, even pitch. It's like, go with me on this allegory. - Why did pick two? - So they could reproduce. - They needed a male and female, all right.

- The whole goal was to repopulate the plan after God murdered every single person on the plan other than-- - And Adam and Noah, no one is bride and his kids. - Who's Noah's bride?

- I don't know, but also we're all descendants of just Noah. - Noah? - Incess, because only their kids were here even though that doesn't even make sense because we're supposed to be--

- There are so many times. - I'm just saying it's a tough one.

- Yeah, Noah's wife from the Bible.

- Apparently doesn't get a name. She's just been referred to as Noah's wife. - So, of course, the woman and a woman are useless. - Our mom doesn't even have a name. - No, that was crazy.

- She's just crazy. Identify her as Nama or Emzarah. - And how many kids did they have? I wanted to know how many of these kids were making love to reproduce the whole planet.

“I think every modern Christian goal that came in”

is not-- - Three sons. - Three, well, fuck. So they all say it's what the mom? Where did the fucking kids come from? - I don't think--

- I don't think-- I think there were some other people like Moses. - No, no, that's before. - All right. - Yeah, so this was explained to me.

The humans were having sex with the angels and they were creating fucked up preachers. And so God had to flood the entire planet and kill every single person and animal other than what was on Noah's art.

- Okay. - Okay. - And then those remaining animals repopulated the planet we now live on. - All right.

- So either, no one in the wife had many more kids after they, the water's subsided. And those kids had sex or the three sons had sex with the mom. - The three sons had their wives apparently. - Oh, they had their wives.

- Yes. - Where did the wives come from? - They were invited. - They were adults. - Yeah, they were allowed to come the boat.

- The adults? - Noah was tasked with believing me, start building this art. I'm gonna flood it. I mean, you're crazy.

Get all the animals. Good luck. He gathered them all. People are always crazy. And the flood came and killed everybody except for the people

he had on the boat. So apparently his sons had wives. That helps with the genetic virus. - I guess.

- So I guess just cousins were making love in the second.

- Yeah. - Year-long catastrophic daily was sent by God to destroy humanity due to widespread wickedness. - Only Noah, his family and pairs of every animal species survived on a large arc.

It is considered a global event by believers. And it's historically linked to regional mass patenia. In floods.

“- Yeah, that's why that's a terrible animal.”

- Okay, Noah's sons wives. - The tiger's in you phrase these constantly flooded. That's why it was a really relevant story. - Oh, eight people survived the flood. - Okay.

So we're all the products of eight. We have the three sons who've got the wife of them. That's six, and then I guess no one the mob. - I think that's the cousins to care of the rest. - I wanna learn more about the wives.

- Me too. I live there a hot. (laughs) - I'm not so sure. (laughs)

- Okay. - Okay, what's the average height of an Icelandic man? By feet 11.7 inches? - Just shy of six feet. What's the average height of an American?

- The average height of an American man. - Who do Indian? - Okay, five foot nine is American. - Okay, so there are two and a half inches taller on average.

- Okay, Indian is going to be lower by five. - Five, five. So we're six and a half inches taller on average. - Yeah. - Then Indian, let's do.

- Chinese five six point eight. - Other than the Indians. - Yeah. - Okay, he sounds right to you. - Yeah, probably.

- What about Philippines? Philippines, it's a Robfield scene. - By four. - Five four, that's lower. That's our lowest so far.

- Should I look up, what's the... - Shortest. - What's the national average? - For men. - Yeah.

- He more at least. - Okay, island in the Pacific. - And that's five three. - Five three. - Yeah.

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production and engineering. Yes. Okay. Population of ice and 402,000 to 402,300. That's a small

“city in the U.S. A small place. And then the Presidential Scholarship, U.S. Presidential”

Scholars program is a prestigious invitation only non-monetary award, recognizing up to 161

top graduating high school seniors annually for exceptional talent and academics, arts

“or technical education. I know someone who got one was a big deal. All right. Well, that's”

it. Okay. Do you know when I told Lincoln that I had a hunch she might like her? Yep. And she's like,

oh my god, I love her. She has an identical twin. And I'm like, I know she came. She's like, she did. Yeah.

“And this was good sim because the twin episode just came out. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm not sure anonymous,”

so that was perfect. Perfect timing. As if we scripted it. All right. Love you. Love you.