Part Two: Jimmy Saville: Britain's Unending Nightmare

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"Well, I guess let's get back into it, shall we?" "Yeah." So, when we left off, Jimmy had just... "Mate tried his hand," or at least his legs, at becoming a professional cyclist, and found that he wasn't quite good enough for that,

but he was really good at being a weirdo. And that got him a gig commentating for bicycle races, right?

So his first proper media job was calling races for the daily express,

because that was the newspaper that was funding the first tour of Britain race.

and they would fund their support of stuff like big races and the like, for a while since the newspaper worked that way. "That was like a pain laugh, that was like a triggered cackle."

“But it wasn't all good, because clearly that's how Jimmy Savel gets his fucking break, right?”

So, this newspaper that's funding the races he's doing, like, sees, "Oh, this guy might have... this guy might have it, you know, what it takes to be a stop." So they make him a race commentator, and he is very good at that job. They pay him a sizable fee in 1954, and this jump starts his career as a bona fide celebrity.

He becomes the face and voice of the daily express, and that starts to earn him attention from the BBC, and from radio one, which is the BBC's radio thing of a jigger, right? Now back then, the British media environment was what much more restrictive than it is today, and the BBC has essentially a monopoly on legal radio play, right?

You're not allowed to just have another radio station, right? You can get in trouble for that.

“Now, as a result, the BBC is like, they're very much see themselves as cultural gatekeepers”

of like what should be acceptable and popular in Britain, and this pisses off everyone, because people who run the BBC are old, stuffy-rich assholes, and they have terrible taste in music, and this is the moment in which pop music is starting to explode. You know, you have this period of time, like the mid-late '50s, early '60s,

where we've talked about this on our episodes about Phil Spectre,

with my buddy Will, Greasy Will, this is the first time in which teenagers

are like a demographic that you're marketing towards, and selling towards, and that music is angled heavily towards the teen set, because previously, you go back 50 years, teenagers are all working in the minds or something. They're not dancing at party clubs or whatever, they're not, they're certainly not like a chunk of the populace that you are like trying to sell stuff to, right?

That is also started to change right now. Now, because the BBC has essentially this monopoly on what can be on the radio, there's this vibrant community that pops up of pirate DJs, who are like very literally pirate DJs. This is somewhat very cool stories that come out of this,

because these guys are like living on boats and old defense platforms in this scene. Oh my god, broadcasting youth music illegally to the island, it's fucking awesome. They're legit pirate DJs. Like literal pirates, yes, there is a movie called Pirate Radio that's at least

“ostensibly about this, I don't remember how good a job it did, honestly, I just remember who exists.”

So the very idea, again, of youth culture, is new and scary to a lot of influential people in British media, because these are members of the upper class, and they're kind of worried. In part because they're all, everyone who's got money in the western world is terrified of the Communists, right? And so there's this fearful understanding that these young people have different values, maybe it'll lead them towards like socialism and all these other scary things.

And there's also just this aspect of, this has never been a thing that existed before.

Teenagers, and they're being a whole media industry, geared towards teenagers, is it good, is it making them bad? Is it going to damage them? You know, there's a lot of concern about that sort of thing. And unfortunately, the concern is focused on like the kind of music, as opposed to maybe the people making the music and playing it on the radio, which is who they should have been scared of, harming the youth of Britain. The music itself

isn't really doing any damage. But I bring all this up to point out that it is very difficult and is a very strange and noteworthy historical fact that within this kind of sclerotic and very much like not welcome, not open to newcomers, not open to like different ideas, this like media culture, that a guy like Jimmy Savel becomes prominent because Jimmy talks like a working class man from Leeds. And he dresses well like this. So feel show you one photo

of the guy where he's got like he's wearing like a black velvet mask around his face. He's got his hair slightly curled as long white hair. And he's got like a lace fucking gauntlet around his hand. He's like, it's hard to tell what is going on with his sleeve there. Yeah, it looks like

you look he loved the sleeve. And he's always every time he goes out in public, every time he's

DJing at an event, every time he's like broadcast, he's do it because he's going out to these like races. He's always dressed weird in some ways, always wearing costumes. And he never talks about it. I hate to be the person. I would wear the shoe that blazer with the lace cuff. Yeah,

The mask helps. Weirdly enough. The mask is, but you know,

the one thing that's already here is he never talks about the way he's dressed. And when people

ask him, he'll try to what deliberately avoid the question. And he writes about this. I think it's because he knows, basically, if you talk about it or explain it, it's not nearly as, it doesn't, it's not nearly as interesting. If you just show up dressed like a maniac and pretend like you're

“a normal person, like everyone else, that gets you more retention. And yeah, that's, that's what he's”

doing at this point in time. He learned his lesson from the, the coal mine situation. Yeah, he really did. And part of what he's learned is that if you're dressed like a weirdo, not only does it get you attention and can it quote unquote pay off, but people don't poke too much around you. They're not going to look to see, they're not, no one's going to investigate to see if you're like a dangerous weirdo, because they already know you're some kind of weirdo, right?

That's something he starts to realize about about this, about like dressing this way. Is it weirdly enough standing out and looking like a maniac, diverts suspicion and interest away from his actual behavior? That's an outstanding. Jimmy is immediately successful as a broadcaster. People love him, particularly teenagers. Even though by this point, he's well into his 20s, he talks. He understands their slang. He talks like a teenager. He understands the music they like. He understands how they're

“spinning their time, because he socializes almost exclusively with teenage girls, right?”

And he's doing this because he is having sex with slash molesting them. The legal definition is dependent upon the age that they are again, as I've noted, but that's exclusively who he hangs out with. So he does understand them, right? And at the time, other people in the media are just like, well, he's the only one these kids seem to really like get, you know, he understands the kids. And we know there's a lot of money there. So we better keep paying Jimmy Savl, because he's the

only adult we know who can communicate with the teenagers, right? Nobody thinks to go, and I wonder why that is. And I won't, no, no, not at this point in time. There's nobody's concerned about that. They feel like this is 20s. Yeah, he's in his 20s. He's in like his mid 20s, by this point. Okay. Mid to late 20s during this period. And part of what's happening is they're scared of the teenagers, right? This is a frightening and an archie-coming new segment of the

culture in Jimmy can control them. So a big part of his early success in fame is his ability to convince people in the media who come from money and who are part of this like, you know, this rarefied air of people who got to do that job back then, that I can make these kids less scary

“and uncontrollable to you. I know how they tick and I can control them, right? That's why they're”

hiring him, right? So that's great. Basically, he provides these media elites in Britain at the

time with the degree of control and predictability over a bunch of teenagers who scared the living shit out of them. Now, good stuff. Nothing like this has ever happened since. His main job was still DJing and by this point, he's helping to manage the Mecca dance hall. He is like the manager of the whole dance hall and he's often doing shows and he hits upon the brilliant idea in 1955 of playing top-pop hits for his audience while they waited for the house band to rest between

sets. So normally you just have the band stop and I maybe have a secondary band do something or whatever but Jimmy comes in and he starts DJing and just putting on playing the hits for these kids and he's really good at knowing what they want to hear and he's good at, you know, he's talking in between putting on these songs. He's getting the crowd amped up. You guys know what a DJ does, right?

But very few people are doing that at this point. He's one of the first generation. He's not,

he'll often claim to have been the first DJ. I don't think that's really true. But he's part of the first generation of guys doing this, right? And this proves to be extremely popular and it earns him a promotion. So he's given a job managing a different much larger dance hall in London. So he's now moved from leads to London and he's running this big dance hall and he's got access to this full-size ballroom and the power and funding to try something more ambitious than that

crude gramophone wired to a speaker that he'd used previously. According to the book in play and site he was connected to the company Westtrex who made turn tables. And quote, he said he walked into the Palais which is the dance hall he's running to find an electrician fitting a record deck in the box from which the lighting was operated. He told the man he wanted two turn tables and for them to be installed on the stage. One next to the other. It was he claimed the first twin

turn table system in history. Now it wasn't an article I found on CNN notes commentators

Jimmy is legitimately quite novel. I'm sure he saw someone else do it maybe. But there aren't a

“lot of people who did that before Jimmy Savel who had a twin turn table system running.”

Right. It probably a black guy. Everybody in music's ripping off. Right. Black people at this point. Yeah. Yeah. But Jimmy does get that reputation as being like the first DJ to do this.

Like and he's got that reputation for quite some time. He also develops a reputation for always

traveling with a security team of large and angry bouncer's. Which he bragged about for years using to brutalize people who stepped out of line during his shows. He had a zero tolerance policy. And he talks about this a lot in interviews and stuff. Because he was he really liked telling stories about having these big dangerous men beat the shit out of people at his command. Now the fact that Jimmy was always surrounded by dangerous men was Davies suggests. Probably

do in part to the fact that at night he would pick out one or more of the girls that is shows to invite backstage. And he was scared of their parents. Right. So Davies suggests he's kind of lying about the fact that he needed these guys to keep order in his shows. He wanted a bunch of scary big guys around him because he's fucking a bunch of teenagers. And their parents get angry. Right. And at this point, this is when this stop by the, I mean,

it had happened at some point previously. But by this point, he's like 28 years old. It is no longer, even within the standards of the time, people think it's a bit weird that he's pretty much exclusively going after like 16-year-old girls sometimes young. So he's molesting a bunch of teenagers. He's sexually abusing a bunch of teenagers. Some of them, for in legal, I would say in moral terms, yes. In legal terms, a lot of these are still 16-year-old girls. And that is legal.

Right. This is important in terms of like why nothing is done. Right.

So one of his first victims was Kathy Kirby, who became a prominent singer later herself.

But at age 16, went to see 28-year-old Jimmy Savel at the Palais. She claims he pursued her and her even younger sister, which is not legal. Now, she turned him down. But the next year, in 1956, Kathy got to perform on stage at the Palais and was invited to tour with the band leader, Bert Ambrose. And she says that she hit on Bert. But he turned to down because he was 40 years older than her. And I don't know if this is Bert actually trying to be a good guy or just being

creepy, but the way he frames the way he explains turning her town is that like you need to get some experience. Now, he may have just meant I don't, I'm not going to get with a teenage girl. That's fucked up. But she interprets this as, "Oh, I need to go have sex with somebody else first."

“But that's what he wants. And maybe that's what Bert did want. I don't know the guy, right?”

But Kathy, because again, she's a teenager and she's using the logic of a teenager, decides not to say no the next time that Jimmy prop positions her so that she can get experience. And again, she's 17 at this point. This is legal, right? But that's one of the first stories we have of, she's very uncomfortable. She's particularly uncomfortable that he's heading on her 15-year-old sister. But she does eventually sleep with him because basically,

she thinks it'll get her in with someone in the industry. She really wants to have a relationship with and work with. And this should get you kind of how murky a lot of it is at this period of time. Right? This is, this is not at all something we can talk about directly using all of our modern terms, right? Well, actually, people today love to cite that this is, quote unquote, normal back in the day. It's, it's not normal. We can say, because again, she thinks it's weird that he's

heading on her sister, right? But she also doesn't think it's weird, which she's 17 to hit on like a 40-year-old guy, right? So yeah, there is, this is a different time with different values. But what

“you should notice that by this point in time, this early in the story, people know that it's”

weird and that Jimmy likes some young. And that that is weird even within a time period in which it's not at nearly as abnormal for older men to have sex with much younger women, right? Got it. Even in that period of time, Jimmy is weird and gets reputation for liking them young. Women and girls, right? Because he's doing both, you know, professionally, during this period, Sadville seems to go from strength to strength. He starts mixing popular songs together

when he's on stage. And a, in a manner, much more familiar to modern day listening as DJing. But again, he's not interested in making music or the artistry of any of this. The appeal to

him here is always control. Hence, once he turned his second dance hall into a hit,

he started stopping shows regularly to announce smooch time in which he gave the teenage participants permission to grind and make out with each other. This was totally novel. As one regular, someone who was attending these shows as a teenager at the time,

Teenagers had the chance to hug each other and fall in love. It was a romantic, fantastic time.

And I can see how for the teenagers at the time, this would be really nice. You've got a culture that's much more repressed. And you're suddenly getting this permission in a public space that it's okay to make out with other teams, right? All right. That's like you're with your boy

“friend. You're out at the club. And he's like, okay, it's not you can all make out now, right?”

It's, it's very popular. I guess is, is what I'd say. Like a lot of people. And again, he's not, this is, he's the one on stage. He's not making out with anyone at this point in time. He will after the shows. But what he's doing here, as much as a lot of these kids like it, is he's normalizing the fact that it's like it's not weird to have sexual and like romantic physical contact at what is his place of work, right? And even though he's on stage when he's

announcing smooch time, this is going to help to normalize what is going to become predation from an early 30 year old man to a bunch of largely 15 to 17 year old girls. That is part of what's happening here. But nobody, it's not noticed as that because all the teams are just happy that someone's saying it's not bad for you to make out with your boyfriend or girlfriend, right?

“Yeah. Like you could, you could get how that camel flush is it, right? It's, it's excellent”

camel. I mean, it's really good. It's kind of a genius. Yeah. Evil genius. Unfortunately, he is very good at this. In 1958, he's hired by Radio Luxembourg, an independent station on the continent that was popular with the youths. This gives him access to pop musicians to the biggest stars of the day. He's talking with the Beatles. He's talking with the Rolling Stones. He's talking with fucking Elvis. Right? I mean, it varying points in time. That's not all starting in 1958. But

if someone is a pop musician who is famous and beloved, he knows them and you've heard him talk to them on air. So you know he knows them and this gives him a huge amount of power over the teenage girls and his audience. Now, to the adults who are running the business and who own these venues, this helps to reinforce Jimmy's status as a teen whisper. Right? Although this is largely

“based on a misconception they have about his fame because they see like, oh, wow, the teenagers”

love Jimmy. What's really happening is the teenagers know Jimmy has access to the musicians they love. And so they follow him because he provides access to these pop stars. Right? And he increasingly grows skilled when he's talking with these teenage girls who are lining up outside of his office after the show and making himself into a gateway between these kids who are obsessed with their favorite musicians and those musicians. That is what provides him with the bulk of his

victims. He is the door. If you make Jimmy happy, Jimmy can introduce you to the fucking Beatles. What won't you do for that guy? If you're a 16 year old girl in this in this period of time,

right? It's like Weinstein can get you a part in a movie. Yep. Yep. It's how it works pretty much always,

right? Yep, disgusting. One former employee at the plaza, which is one of the dance halls he managed, recalled seeing a line of girls outside of Jimmy's office, queuing up regularly for what was you domestically called a chat with Jim. No. He used to always say, I'm going to interview this young lady for a job. That's all he'd say. I don't know what went on behind those doors, but I do know that he was a man. We know what was going on behind those doors, right? And again, while a lot

of these girls are legally of age, a lot of them aren't. And we know a lot of them aren't because people talk about him hitting on them when they were 14 or 15 or even younger, right? And I don't have an exact list of, and here's the age and number of the girls that he molested in the girls who, you know, were of age and maybe consent, I don't know how that breaks out as a ratio. But none of this is okay because none of this, all of this is even in the case when they're legally of age,

he is making them have sex with him to get access to famous musicians. And that's bad. I like, it may not have been a crime at the time, but it's bad. Now, Jimmy's making good money now. And despite the fact, this is something that will be with him most of his life, despite the fact that he now

makes good money, he's always driving around like fancy sports cars, roles, Royces and stuff.

He lives in squalor. His apartments are always disgusting and like the cheapest place he can possibly get. His house in this period of time is this gross mold covered flat nickname the black pad, because he painted the walls and everything else black to disguise the grime, so that like it wasn't as obvious how gross it was, rent was about 50 per week. He's just cheap. Okay. And he doesn't, I don't think he spends a lot of time in his apartment, too.

cars. And usually, if he's not having sex in his office, he's having sex in his car. Now, he does

“bring people back to his pad to party too. And he's with the space with red light bulbs to further”

hide how disgusting it is, but it was gross. Now, did you get a better place? It was like a ball pit or something. We probably don't need to be a given of notes. But it is like weird. It's kind of a note where the thing about how he does this. You know who else lives in squalor? Well, that may not be. This is behind the products and services. They're deaths right now. Yes, living in squalor, living in living in mold covered apartments and trash pads.

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luxury cars, particularly rolls voices. And these also helped to draw teenage girls in his orbit.

“And by the time they got back to his disgusting pad, he'd usually done a good job of roping”

them in. Promising, I can get you backstage at this show. You can meet your heroes and get you to come in when, you know, we're going to have Elvis in or whatever the studio. And you can meet him. You know, if you just do something for me, right? Now, Jimmy is as good as his word, usually, when he makes these promises for a very good reason, right? This isn't he's not fulfilling the promises he makes these girls who he then molests because he cares about being as good as his word.

He is also providing pop stars with groupies who are quote ready to go. That's the term he uses. And that's part of his job. He is a fixer for these musicians who are traveling all over the world. They're coming past, you know, they're doing part of their tour in London. So they're going on the radio to talk to Jimmy. He's talking them about, you know, the show they're doing. And it's expected, hey, you know, you guys are going to be in town for just like two nights. Jimmy can hook you up

“as some girls who are ready to go, you know, like that's, that's what he's doing. We don't know”

specifically who he did that for, but he does it a lot. And it's part of the appeal. It's part of why you go to Savo's parties. Is if your famous he'll get you to hook you up in some groupies, right? It's very normal at the time. It's very bad. It's very bad. And yeah, you asked me at the beginning of the first episode how I knew him. And it's those stories. It's like the story of the girl who gets like a fish put inside her or like whatever that are like likely underage girls with these

famous musicians. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, even when they're not legally underage at the time, it's still bad. Jimmy Donnelly who attended the Plaza starting at age 16 right around this time was interviewed about Davies for his book. And his recollections of Savo helped get across something important. Quote, we didn't have this word pedophile in them days. We had the word weirdo and Savo was

a weirdo. He always had the Bobby socks girls, the young girls in his cars. He'd always pull up with

the girls in his car, going home. He'd always have the girls in his car, right? So again, as normalized as aspects of this word, it's weird. Jimmy is a weirdo for the time. And people are using the term weirdo to refer to the fact that he's a pedophile, right? That's known. It's not a secret. It's just not seen as as big a problem as it's later going to be seen. But it's not a mystery. Nobody doesn't think he's doing this. Now, words important, though, because we know

“can mean a lot of things. And that's what Jimmy understands is that his very”

oddness, the fact that he is so strange. And so, so purposefully strange is a cloaking device. It helps to hide the fact that he's a predator. Jimmy dressed in, it's not just that. It's that Jimmy dresses in a way because he's dressed so weird and ostentatiously. He regularly gets called a poofter or various other slurs for a homosexual person, right? And he's fine with this, because

if people think he's queer or just off in general, then the fact that he's always surrounded by

teenage girls is just another mark of his eccentricity, right? And in fact, part of his strategy is he deliberately doesn't have sex with or group most of the young girls that he's hanging out with. The majority of the girls that he's surrounded by it in a given time, he is not molesting. Because that provides further cover, right? Most of the girls who are out there will say nothing happened, you know? And that makes him seem safer and it makes it seem less worth paying attention to.

Dan Davies relates the story of Penny Ann Rolls, who met Savel when she was a teenage girl working at a coffee shop that was also a concert venue, which Jimmy part owned. She recalled, quote, "One Sunday night he used to take a few of us to a restaurant, an Indian place in the Curry Center of Manchester. We used to go there for Curry and he would park his Rolls Royce up. Afterwards, he would take us home with the roof down on his car and we'd all be singing our heads off.

She remembers there were three or four girls that Savel took out regularly, but insists he never

tried it on with her. I never saw him in a relationship with anyone. She maintains, between you and I, I don't know whether he was gay." And tactics like this were very much in line with Jimmy's repeatedly elucidated approach to life. He talked about this as a strategy. I'm going to quote from one at specific interview he does near the end of his life. But he repeats this sentiment in numerous places over

half a century. You see, I never ever thought that I was clever. Tricky, yes, I'm a very tricky fella, but Tricky is much better than being clever. If you are clever, you can slip up because you're clever. But if you're tricky, you don't slip up. You never slip up if you're Tricky.

Unfortunately, it works. But he talks it. Like he's talking, this guy is being like,

“"I'm Tricky, I'm always around teenagers. No one ever has noticed what's wrong with me.”

What a mystery. This guy was molesting people for decades. We couldn't have known." "What a slippery little fuck. What a little rye. It's Tricky. Because like people expect less of the trickiness versus the cleverness. I don't know." Right. Yes, exactly.

Now, in books and interviews, reporters would always note that Jimmy never talked about his

inner life. You can go through all of the books about himself, multiple ones, and you don't get anything about what he actually does on his own or who he is as a person. And in fact, Jimmy claimed not to have an inner life. He would talk about this regularly. "I really have it." Yeah. Yeah, I kind of do too. He keeps incredibly busy, not just with work, but with sporting events. He's continues to be an athlete, a varying kind, this whole period.

“And while he's rising to fame, during this time when he's, you know,”

emceeing events and running all these dance halls and stuff and this popular DJ and on the radio, he's also a prominent wrestler. And in fact, he tried to use his, he gets into wrestling. And he tries to use his fame, the fact that he's kind of famous as a broadcaster, to jump start his wrestling career. And the fact that he is so well-known does make him popular to promoters, like promoters love having Jimmy Savalon because people will show up to watch him wrestle,

but other wrestlers hate it because he's not really a wrestler. Right. And he's kind of like, he's kind of like stealing his weight to the top. He's like Logan fucking Paul and WWE. He's Logan Pauling it. Right. Yeah. Real WWE fans hate that guy. Yeah. The website pro wrestling

stories notes, his toe was broken in his very first match. After one bout, he visited the hospital

after his testicles had been kicked up into his body. Hey, thank god. Yeah. Love that, that's fun. Yeah. There's a couple of good bits here of him getting hurt. Saval claims to have fought over 100 bouts and proudly lost all 35 of his first matches. Despite this and despite his appearance, he was very popular with female fans. One wrestler who did not like Saval and beat him brutally in the ring recalled years later that Saval bragged about girls lining up to see him after fights.

He would tell them, I'll take you and you and you. The rest of you come back another time. You might get lucky. Ew, bro. Yeah. Now for reference, here's how Jimmy looked back then as a wrestler. And just wasn't upsetting looking man. I don't know. He looks like one of the, like in this, at least his hair isn't shock white. It's a bit shorter and black. He's like shirtless. Like he's in good shape. You can tell. But again, he just can use. He's so upset. He's so upsetting.

Always to me. Yeah. He's got like real potato shaped face and then just like crazy.

The hair on his mouth is hard fought out there. The bangs again, not sure. I mean, I don't want to harp on his appearance, but also fucking. Yeah. He's, I mean, but also his appearance is a big part. He's conscious. He's a parent to say performance, right? So there is, you know, it's not totally um, question on the wrestling because did you say at the beginning that he also messed with boys? Is there any evidence? Yes. We're getting there. I don't know when that starts.

I don't know that anyone does, but yes, he molested shitload of boys. Very young ones as we'll be talking about. I don't know when he begins doing that. We really don't. I will, we will be talking about it later. I have kind of the earliest point that we know he was by, but I don't know how far back that goes. Okay. I should also note the kind of wrestling saddle did was a mix of like the pure entertainment pro wrestling that we Americans know and love today and actual competitive

grappling. So these are real fights, right? Like where there's like a winner in a loser that's not decided ahead of time. And I will talk about one of those fights much later at the end of these episodes. You're going to need it as a palette cleanser. But that's getting, we'll do that later,

“because again, it's going to be necessary. However, it's important you know that the fact that he's”

bad at wrestling. Doesn't mean that his time as a wrestler was a failure for saddle. In fact, it's one more thing that makes him seem terrifying and impossible to resist to his victims. The fact that he's a pro wrestler helps, helps ensure that when he's molesting someone, they don't fight back. Because he's scary, he's in really good shape and he's huge. He is a big man. He's physically dangerous. This is not a, this is a guy who is in fights. This is a guy who knows how to hurt people

and he knows how to use his body to hurt people. He even told one wrestling magazine. If I arrive at the gates of heaven and St. Peter says, you've been a very tricky man, you can't come in here.

wrestler and I've not had a problem yet with anyone who's thumbs I've broken. No one could have known impossible to know this guy was was praying on kids. There were no signs. There were no signs. Think of that scenario in your head. Also the fact that again, he's periodically as life being like, I'm not clever. I'm tricky and no one can catch you if you're tricky. And then in this he's like St. Peter wouldn't let me in to heaven because I'm tricky. Really let you know

what he means when he says he's tricky. Exactly. In 1964, the BBC asked Jimmy Savl to be the first

“host of a new television program. I think it's a radio program that becomes TV later.”

But when I get his TV at this point in time, it's a little because a lot of media, it's kind of hard to find from 1964. So I think this is a TV program at the time. It's called Top of the Pops. And it's a video showcase of the hit bands of the era that becomes this massive hit. And Jimmy's not the only host. They rotate DJs. So like every episode, you'll have somebody different, right? But Jimmy is like the first one to host the show. And he's like one of the most

regular people that they bring back to host top of the pop during this period of time. And throughout the 60s, and I think into the 70s, he's repeatedly voted Britain's favorite DJ. Like he's the top DJ in the country by pretty much any persons like standards. And so he also gets the job regularly when these huge bands that are honestly probably bigger in a lot of ways than any

“popular musician is today. When you talk about the Beatles or the stones at their height,”

he's the guy on stage introducing them whenever they play an England, right? And he continues to he'll dress in bizarre costumes. I saw one video, we're like opening for the stones. And he's dressed as like a stereotype of a Japanese woman wearing like a like a kimono and like waving fans like pull himself down as he approaches the microphone. He's got his catch phrases like now then and now how about that then? Because catch phrases were easier to have back then. More than anything,

Jimmy had access. This is a guy who talks to the Beatles repeatedly. He's in like a top of the pops that you like a TV skit with the Beatles, where Jimmy, because he's so huge and tall, is like he's like the abominable snowman. And they're all out like hiking and he's like one

by one like eating the Beatles basically. And I don't think they're actually friends. I don't think

they note like they're certainly not hanging out socially the rest of their lives, but he knows them. And if you're a teenage girl, all you see is that like wow, he knows the fucking Beatles, you know? On stage, when Jimmy wasn't surrounded by pop stars, he was often quite literally buried in girls, which further helped to normalize into skies his behavior. Here's one example from an episode of Top of the Pops in the 1970s that Sophie's gonna play for you here.

I don't think I'm too really gonna get me a straight. So nice, gentleman. All we can say is good night from all of us here at Top of the Pops. And it's number one time. And of course, hopefully you've been out. It's from the one and only. She, car, go. And thank you. That is what she do. For those of you who couldn't see that, Jimmy is surrounded by like a dozen young, very young women. I can't tell their age. And one of the girls that girl next to him keeps like jumping

and making like, oh, sounds. I think because he's grabbing her the whole time. Oh, no. This is the most popular show in the country, one of them at the time. He's just on stage with a bunch of teenage girls, groping one of them on video. This is so normalized. This is not hidden. This is not like I have to really emphasize there was no reason not to know what Jimmy was doing here. Well, I was looking for that clip. I accidentally came across another clip from a 1965 episode of

Top of the Pops. And Jimmy's only on for the first second. But once I heard the words to the song,

he's introducing. I had to include this too, just because it's just a very, I did a funny bit of irony. So if he's going to play that clip to you now from the 65 episode, the song is called Little Children. Little children, you dare not tell on me.

“That's why it was that a song. Just to kind of talk, make the point about how like some of this is”

that things were fucked up at the time. Why is that a song? Yeah, it's just Jimmy's little to pedophile introducing a song about telling kids not to tell on adults. Great. So by this point, by the time and again, we're in kind of like the mid-60s in this era. Jimmy's

the Top 10 Club, which promised life music by famous pop stars and Top International DJ, Jimmy Savel.

“On ads for the club, Jimmy was pictured with a chimpanzee for some reason. And the text,”

"It's a gas. It's a ball. It's like crazy, man." The club only allowed people 16 and up, which was again the age of consent. But numerous people who attended in those days have made it clear that lying about your age was so easy as to be essentially encouraged. No one's checking or cares if you're not actually 16. Right? And in fact, there's some evidence that the bouncers, the people like at the gate are specifically trying to bring in younger girls. For reasons,

I probably don't need to elaborate on here. Now, the Top 10 Club becomes Jimmy's primary hunting era. And in order to maintain his kind of specialists, he forbade none of the other DJs were allowed to play Top 20 hits, right? Because Jimmy knows his popularity is based entirely on his perceived closest to fame. And this further helps to make him seem special and make it seem like he's got access. Jimmy Donnelly, who we heard from earlier, recalled that Savel

always left with girls from their mid to late teens, and that it was well known, Jimmy Savel

liked him young. Now, the Top 10 Club is going to become probably his most reliable hunting ground in this period of life. That's the term Davies uses for it through the mid to late 60s. And both he and the BBC are recruiting girls from the Top 10 Club, right? Savel is recruiting them because he wants to molest them. And the BBC is recruiting them for the studio audience of their

“hit new TV show, Top of the Pops. Because they have just teenagers come into dance, right?”

Like these girls are bringing broad into like dance on stage to be in the background. It's like in that clip I've shown you, you just have them as set dressings, right? And so you've got like Cecil Corr, who is the assistant producer for the show in a 29-year-old man. He'll go talent spotting out at club nights at the Top 10 Club, and he'll hand out tickets to girl and he he said later, I was looking for girls aged 13 to 17, right? That's who he's handing out tickets to

be on TV too. Said one top of the Pops director, if they were dancers or were attractive, obviously they got on. So again, both the BBC and Savel are praying on underraged girls. The BBC because the BBC recognizes that they have sex appeal, quote unquote, to the audience, to the musicians, to the DJs, and they want there to be girls younger than 16 here. The BBC makes that decision too. This is not just Jimmy deciding to molest kids, the BBC wants to put

kids in a position where they will be molested. That is a choice made by the people running the BBC, and it is a choice they keep making for decades. That is a very important part of the story. It's a question. I'm sure they're not getting paid. No, no, no. They're getting paid in the ticket to get molested. You're getting paid in the ticket, you know, and maybe you'll get, you know,

“with your favorite Pops star or whatever, right? That's where I think withdraws a lot of these kids in,”

right? Because obviously they're kids. Jimmy maintained his reputation as Britain's oldest teenager by speaking like the kids, knowing their lingo and their music, but his larger appeal was the simple fact that he represented access to the Pops stars they idolized. Savel was constantly on the air on TV or in concerts, introducing the Beatles, Manford Man, and of course, the Rolling Stones. And while the kids perceived him as having a close relationship to all these guys, the reality was

often uglier. Let's take the stones, as an example. Savel wasn't early advocate of the band, even when the record company Deco wasn't sure they had what it took to outline the Beatles. Savel had seen the way audiences went nuts for the group. He described it as rioting, and he supported them, and his he gets a newspaper column. So he's writing newspaper articles about the pop industry at this time, and in his discussions with industry, uh, insiders.

This does not mean that he was friendly with or liked by the band members.

In 1964, after their first number one record, the stones were booked to play at the top 10

club. The crowd that night was for lack of a better word insane. Fights broke out constantly, and the police even had to show up, and the stones to an extent, part of like what they're doing in this time is playing up how crazy their concerts get. This is what's going to kind of culminate in the, like there's a, like somebody gets killed at one of their concerts by a hell of angels, like back in the US, not crazy long after this period of time, because that's part of like what

makes the stones famous, is how nuts their shows go, how crazy their fans go for them. But things get so bad this night that the stones refused to play when their time came up. And part because like they've lost their, their instruments, like the, like the, the instruments they were supposed to have didn't show up, and they didn't want to play with like the venues, like backup set of instruments, they didn't think they were good enough, and that's just going to make the fans even

club crowd down, gets called up by an aide, and he goes backstage to see what's wrong,

“and he's told that like, you know, the band isn't going to play, these instruments aren't good”

enough, like they're, they're, they're just going to leave, and I'm going to quote now from the book in play in sight. Savils response was characteristically blunt. He pointed to where three of his largest minors were standing, and growled, you've got the time it takes this stage to revolve to make your mind up. If you're not going to play, you're going to be unconscious because my minors are going to chin all of you. I'll accept drummer Charlie Watts that is. Savils claim that

Watts looked him up and down before speaking. You would, wouldn't you? He said, no danger, replied Savils, and I'll throw you to the fucking audience. I guarantee you that. And the Rolling Stones are great. They take their preferred audience, their instruments, and they play on their, and they, they go play their show, right? This is, uh, he does this with other people. This is just one example of like the way he is. He is very comfortable

threatening violence, even on these big pop stars, right? That's, and to be fair, that's, that's wild. Like that's crazy. That's unhinged behavior. That love of aggression, like, I'm sorry, to make, to make, to make Jagger, to make Jagger. Yeah. And again, also Mick Jagger is like, they're young. Yeah. Yeah. Their kids at this point, too. They're not that much older than their teenage fans, whereas Jimmy Savils is now pushing like 30, something like he's a mature adult.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can't think of the stones as like these massive figures that they are. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. At this point, they're a lot less sure of themselves. That's, that's great. Thanks, thanks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the stones agree, they play the show. And Savils later told an interviewer that had they refused. I would have had the bastards chinned and slugged at the crowd if they lived or

died, it wouldn't have mattered to me. It's very open about all this stuff. What a mess. What a mess. Yeah. What a fucking maniac. By this point, the late 60s, he's a well-known MC in public figure. Savils got hired to host shows all over the country. In 1967, the town of Otley hosted their annual Civic Ball, and named it the Pop Civic Ball to attract youngsters. Of course, Jimmy Savils was asked to attend as Chief Guest. And he responded with a list of conditions for his appearance.

The first is that his normal 200-pound fee had to go to a local charity, right? So that's

“what you start your first demand is, don't pay me. Send the money to a local charity, right?”

Because that deflects suspicion. Particularly, it deflects suspicion before his second and third condition. I wish to sleep the night on the Chevin, which is like a park or something nearby in a tent, which you will organize, plus sleeping bag and a large torch. And this is the answer that the venue gives. I will personally organize a tent, plus sleeping bags and a large torch for you to sleep overnight, and moreover, we'll hold you to it. And his third demand is,

a guard of honor of six young ladies. In another tent, of course, to keep me safe. And the venue answers, all organized a guard of honor of six young ladies. But I won't be held to their compliance or your safety. Get it, the town, whatever representative of the town is like, "Oh, make sure there's the six young ladies for you, but I won't make sure you don't bless them." That's called sex trafficking. This is in writing. That's, yeah. That's, that's horrific.

That's deeply horrible. That's worth talking about. Yeah. That's like it's so much worse. This happens all the time. And it's, again, he's, I've been angry with the entire episode with that, that in writing is absolutely just, I disgusted. Yeah. And this is public at the time. He talks about it to the media that he made the town providing with 16-age girls and they did. Everyone knows this. It's not hidden. His fourth condition is that he'd be given a tour

of the local hospital because he likes volunteering at hospitals. We'll talk about that a lot more,

“but he loves going out and doing it, you know, doing his good charitable work at these hospitals. Right?”

And so you see, you sandwich, I want teenage girls and privacy so that I can molest them in between money to charity, volunteer at a local hospital. Right? You see what he's doing here, you know? Now, all of these become standard demands for him. In the years to come, whenever he's asked

to do something like this, he is constantly hosting events and he will always say, okay,

I need you to provide me with this number of girls as an honor guard or whatever. You know, sometimes to camp with, sometimes to hang out with, sometimes to like wake him up in the morning, right? And I'll always open with a charitable donation and then in the middle is the girls, and if the end is some other like good cause, volunteering at a hospital or something. All of these demands, particularly for the honor guard, were publicized at the time.

Local press wrote about this. Jimmy wrote about this in his autobiography and his autobiography,

alone nighthood in his autobiography. He describes the teenage girls that this town provided with him,

“him with as looking good enough to eat. Now, I don't know precisely. Yeah. What, this was not”

it. What year we in Robert here? 67. 67. And how old would he be, roughly? He's like, he's got to be like 29, pushing 30. And has the face of, that is his face. And it looks like Jimmy Savel. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know precisely how old the girls were, but they all seem to have been under 18 in the book in plain sight, Davies writes. And he's talking about a woman who told it who was one of these girls and talked to him years later about, right? The woman recalled that

it was bitterly cold when the girls got into their sleeping bags and the separate tent that

had been set up for them in that clearing. It was at this point in the early hours of the morning

that Jimmy Savel who had been playing them with vodka all night, but not drinking himself,

“came in and tried it on with each of the girls. Although the woman refused to elaborate on what”

had happened on the grounds that she didn't think it fair on the others in the tent that night, she did describe Jimmy Savel as a disgusting old man and a pervert. Her version of events was that they were saved when youths from the rugby club shot out the paraphernalamps with air rifles. They had followed us up there, she said. She described the girls huddling in the tent while a fight broke out between Savel and the youths. Savel was violent, really nasty once he turned. She added,

thank God, salute to those teenagers. Yes. Good for you. And the tent with an air rifle. Thank God for you. The honor guard term is like so ironic. Fucking grace. Yeah. And also one of the grossest things I've ever heard. Yeah. I was going to ask you, you said the vodka thing, but like,

“is he is this a common thing that he's applying them? He does not seem to have been very much of a”

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“I went and had lunch with him one day. I was like, and dad, I think I want to really give this a shot.”

I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through and I know it's a place they come. Look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you. Which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much lock and ball. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel funny more, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know,

the cat just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right. It wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to thanks dad on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. We're back. So, the same year that Jimmy Savel helped host the oddly pop civic ball, a magazine called People. I don't think this is the people magazine we have today.

“I think it was a different magazine called People. Launched an investigation into Savel's”

prediction for young girls based on numerous complaints by underage girls that he had raped or

otherwise abused them. This is happening as early as 1967. The investigation was never published though,

because the editor of the magazine Sam Campbell had hired Jimmy Savel as a columnist because he's going to draw on young readers. And so, basically, he's like, we're not going to publish an investigation over the weather. Not this guy's molesting girls. He's one of our most popular columnists, you know. In January of 1972, after receiving the OBE, people this magazine published a four-part series with Jimmy titled, "Me and my 3,000 birds at last," Jimmy Savel's own story.

Give you a guess as to what that's about.

It's disgusting. Oh my god. Yep. Now, when you're in 3,000's a very realistic,

I don't know maybe not at this point in time, but his victims number in the thousands. And when you were, like, a pedophile of distinction with his OBE? With his OBE, yes, yes, pedophile OBE. Now, when you're abusing women and girls at the rate Jimmy was during this period,

“you're going to need a close circle of cop friends if you want to avoid trouble. And from the”

start of his period of major fame in the late 60s through the early 70s, up to the end of his life. But the adult men that Jimmy Savel's primarily socialized with appear to have been police officers. Yeah. When he's hanging out with other adult men, they are often if not mainly cops. Those are his best friends. Is that all the cops? Yeah. They would be faster. During the height of his dance hall days, Manchester police officer Lewis the Lion Harper was per Davies Jimmy Savel's eyes and ears.

He's watching to hear if there are any complaints he needs to take care of. Harper was the Chief Superintendent of the City Center and a prominent member of the Vice Squad. As a note, when Harper died, he left more in his will than he had earned in total during his time on the police force. Not cricket at all. Not getting bribed by Jimmy. Yeah, even that nickname, fucking like Lion. Tywin Lannister asked shit with the ball. One of my sources for these episodes

was an article in the UK Tribune by Ferrell Kinney. He notes that in Savel's out of print 1974 autobiography as it happens, Jimmy referenced a female Manchester police officer who attempted to bring charges against him for harboring a teenage runaway. That means a girl ran away from home and Jimmy was keeping her in one of his houses. However, this officer was in Savel's words dissuaded from going through with this by her colleagues, quote, because it was well known that

where I'd go, I would probably take half the station with me. Now, does that mean that if Savel were charged, half the station would quit because they were his friends or does that mean that if Savel were charged, he would tell stories about half the station because he was providing half the Manchester police force with teenage girls to molest. What do you think more likely? That's

Now, we know that during this period where Jimmy was managing his dance halls doing top of

the pops and starting with the TV show he's going to start. We'll talk about in part three, Jimmel Fixet. He impregnated at least two teenage girls. I am only going to give you one of these accounts and I'm sure they're for more. I'm going to only give one of these accounts and the

“interest of just not breaking everybody's spirit, but you should know this is happening more”

than the one time we're talking about. My spirit's pretty broken before you even got to this part. This is just like, yeah, this particular allegation that I'm going to relate came out in October of 2012, which is after Savel's death, but the alleged crime occurred in 1964 when the woman in question was 16 years old and a virgin. She had started an Elvis Presley fan club and Savel invited

her on his radio Luxembourg show to talk about the fan club she had and he tells her afterwards

will I'm flying to America soon and I'm going to visit Elvis. I'll be hanging out with him. So why don't you send me a picture of you that I can give to the king, right? So she does this. And I'm going to quote from in plain sight as to what happened next. According to the woman who did not want to reveal her identity on returning from the states, Savel phoned her house and told her he had a present for her from Elvis. She was understandably thrilled and recalled walking

to the London hotel where Savel was staying. She said he met her in his pajamas. He then took her into his room, pinned her to the wall and started kissing her. The man said she pleaded for him to stop. He whispered your an angel before pushing her onto the bed and raping her.

Afterwards, when he's done, he tosses her some badges from the new Elvis Presley movie,

kissing cousins and leads. That's the present from Elvis. So she goes home after this. She misses her next two periods and she realizes that she's pregnant. She attempts to induce a miscarriage eventually her father takes her to receive an illegal abortion which she endures without pain killers. This was physically damaging enough that she endures multiple miscarriages as a young woman in her 20s. Again, not the only story like this and again to a point of even when someone's technically

legally of the age, he is still often raping the people who are legally of age, it's just that who's going to charge him with rape. The cops he's friends with? Yeah. Wow, Robert. Yeah.

“I wasn't quite ready for that. Yeah. That's what we're only going to relate one of the”

that the stories of girls that did rape in the pregnancy, but there's more than one. There's more than one. I don't know how many there were. Could have been hundreds to be honest. Yeah, it could have been hundreds. It's hard to hear, but it happened and like we can't ignore. Yeah. That these types of things had to happen to so many people, but wow. Yeah. I'm the euphemism of honor guard or whatever. There's a lot of that. There's a lot of real

bleak stuff behind these euphemistic terms. Yeah. I'm just to say, I'm so fucking glad that guys did. Um, I really did. He's for sure did. Yeah. Yeah. They should have had to pay for it. It didn't ever pay for it. Yeah. And so there's not any such cases where this has happened, which is why it's important that we talk about horrific things that have happened in history and today, so that like people know what to look for, but this is like there were so many people

“aware that I think that's why it's only going to be more of it as this goes on. Yeah. I think that's”

part of what's really hard to stomach for me because so many people are aware. And like honestly, here that, you know, not that, you know, any cop isn't a bastard, but hearing that a a woman knew about this and a woman off is and tried to do something. Try to do something but honestly, girl didn't try that hard and like that's heartbreaking. Well, I mean, you know, she may have been threatened with murder. Like a bunch of her fellow cops and

they've said, well, fucking, like, I don't know. Yeah, that's completely clear. I have no idea, you know, I'm not to, not to hold water for a cop and I literally don't know. I can imagine it being pretty brutal. It's just like all these people are responsible for his crimes. Like you knew you fucking knew what he was and like he's one of the most vile people to ever live. Oh, yeah. Well, and one of the, at this point in the story, you do, you can still say the thing that

like, this is all happening within this subculture, pop music and the people who are like presenting it to the nation, where this kind of behavior is extremely common and normalized. That's true up to this point in the story. It is not going to be true for most of Jimmy Savals Life is a sex offender. When I tell you, at this point, the people implicated in his behavior are some cops and other DJs and like BBC people working at the time. By the end of this story,

No. In addition to the, in addition to Margaret Thatcher, the whole ruling class of England

“is implicated in what Jimmy Savals did. So that's cool. We'll talk about that in part three and”

four next week. Yeah, I mean, maybe she didn't know anything. I don't know Prince, Prince Charles, sure did. King Charles, sure did. Absolutely. We'll talk about it on that in the subsequent episodes. I don't know, I know that Die was a good friend of Savals for the, for a chunk of her life. I don't know what she knew, but we know what Charles knew. In Prince Andrew, is so funny is when I saw your Epstein episodes. I was like jealous of the

guest and I manifested too hard because look what episode I wanted. Yeah, yeah, because he's very

much in some ways is kind of like the English equivalent, right? You know, and some very different ways and we'll talk about all that in part three and four. But yeah, you want to plug your book

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similar to this, but different. But girl gone wild is a feminist manifesto. So if you need something to just wash out that gross taste in your mouth after that brutal rapeseen we just heard, order yourself a copy. That's the best plug I have. Cool. Well, sorry for these episodes being so bleak folks. Yeah, it's not going to get better. But hey, we'll get to, you know, we will get to talk about Jimmy Savals experiencing some degree of come up. It's not unfortunately

the legal variety, but I am saving a good story for the end of this just as a pallet cleanser. So I'll promise you all that. Can't wait. Well, shit. Thanks. Until next week, everybody, you know, touch grass. Had a dog. Yeah, if you know a BBC executive, sock them right in the teeth, you know, I did probably at this point. All those guys are gone, but probably still deserve it. Behind the bastards is a production of cool zone media. For more from cool zone media,

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