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I remember this so, so clearly. I was in my powder bleep of jommets and I came out and I said something to him. What do you involved in? Are you being investigated by the FBI?

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"You didn't know?" That's Libby Henry.

She was one of the first members of the White Collar Wives

and like all the women in the group, she was in the dark about what her husband was really doing at work. I didn't say, "Oh, honey, dinner's sweaty, and by the way, did you commit for odd?"

Libby grew up in Louisville, Kentucky, or as the locals call it, "lovel." It's almost like you've got something caught in your throat. We automatically know if you're not from here if you're saying Louisville or Louisville.

Well, I'm not from there. So for this episode, I'm going to be saying Louisville. Early on, Libby knew her family wasn't like others.

“Her mother didn't get along with most people.”

She had an undying, no personality disorder. Today, they called this borderline personality disorder. But if the time, I didn't know what was wrong with her because there wasn't the internet, and nobody was talking about mental health back then.

Because of her mom's mental illness, life at home was an emotional roller coaster. Is that internet the ninth grade? I was pretty much trying to spend the night out all the time, because she had such a problem controlling her emotions.

I just tried to get away. She spent a lot of time at friend's houses. By the time she graduated high school, she had one goal for her future. It was heartbreakingly simple.

What I saw around me at my friend's houses, I wanted for myself. I just want to have a normal home. Because I didn't come from one. That was my big plan.

That was it.

“She started college at the University of Kentucky.”

It's in Lexington. The horse racing capital of the world. I look at Lexington beautiful place around it, but these beautiful horse farms were only fields. When I got there,

the first thing I thought is that I had some freedom. It was the 80s. Libby was carefree. She joined a sorority and quickly made friends. There were a lot of fraternity parties.

They could have all these, you know, peg parties. You would go from one house to the next house.

Lots of bands were always playing.

That was a lot of fun. Her junior year, she went to the first kickoff game of the football season. And of course, it was a big party.

My friend came up to me and said, "Do you know Chad House?" Ted House was in one of her history classes. He'd caught her eye before, but they didn't really know each other.

He was undeniably good looking. You know that tall, dark and handsome. He was all those things. She goes, "Well, he wants to go out with you." And I'm like, "Oh, wow, okay."

So later that same night, he approached me and started talking to me. We started talking about the history syllabus. And I think he was nervous because talking about the history syllabus was kind of boring.

Libby left the party underwhelmed. But two days later, my friend called me and she said, "We need a double date. He really wants to go out with you."

And I'm like, "Okay." And we go on a double date to the French restaurant. And he was an entirely different human being. He was charming and funny and much more relaxed. It was like she was really seeing him for the first time.

I thought, "I just got so fun." Wow. You know, I like this guy. And two days after that, he asked me out again.

And we just kept rolling and kept going out. And it wasn't long before we were an exclusive couple. Libby felt like herself around Ted. He was the first guy to make her feel that way. I was really comfortable with who I was with Ted.

Like I was always laughing.

He liked that about me. He liked the humor. But it quickly became clear that she and Ted came from different backgrounds. Debaro returned from the horse world. He had pedigree.

Private boarding schools, country clubs, and summer trips abroad. But he wasn't pretentious about it. Ted seemed to care that I didn't have any money. That didn't seem to bother him. The difference in their upbringing meant nothing.

The mundane things that you do by yourself that don't seem very fine.

“Or of course very fine when you are head over heels with someone.”

And we were. Libby felt safe when she was with Ted. He had that kind of confidence. He was kind of like that protector. And things were taken care.

If I was having an issue here with Ted, he was taken care of everything. He was always that guy. After a few months of dating, Ted took Libby to meet his parents. They were in town for a fundraiser. And I didn't really realize what I walked into.

They are a very politically connected family.

The first time I met them.

They were having a fundraiser for the governor of Indiana. Ted didn't really prepare her for this scene. And to be fair, he couldn't have. I walk in the four-year of this absolutely beautiful home. And at first, you know, you're just so nervous because I'm like,

"What do I have to offer in this conversation? What can I contribute?" That is very intimidating for someone like me who came from the background that I came from. Libby tried to stay quiet, smile, and hide the run in her stockings.

But above all, she wanted to make a good first impression with Ted's parents.

“How do you remember wondering if Ted's mother thought,”

"Maybe I'm really not good enough first, son." But I got through it. His parents were very nice to me. Ted's dad was a successful businessman, and his mother was a philanthropist, a patron of the arts type.

The night of the fundraiser, Libby was just herself. She made them laugh, and it turned out that was enough for the house family. Pretty soon, Libby became a regular fixture at Ted's family events. They made her feel welcome.

They never seemed ostentatious to me.

They weren't people that bragged about money. They had money. But nobody was bragging about it. They were very supportive, and they were interested in me. Things just seemed so effortless with them.

Ted's family genuinely loved being around each other. So you can imagine when I'm with this family, where things are so easy, and there wasn't chaos. That's the word. There was no chaos.

I loved them. I truly did. As they got more serious, she and Ted opened up about their flaws, and tried to help each other grow. He was the kind of guy that would get really mad,

but then he would be like, "Okay, I popped off.

That was always his thing."

But he doesn't know that about himself. And I wasn't the best either because the one thing that I did not come out of my house with was coping skills. I came out of my house like a piece of Swiss cheese. I had a lot of holes.

Ted and Libby started talking about their future. They both knew they wanted to have kids, and stayed close to family. It was within a year. He asked me to marry him.

He was nervous, but it wasn't some big gesture. He proposed in her living room with the ring behind his back. She remembers seeing his nerves. He was shaking. He's like, "You know, I'm not really good at this,

but I want you to marry me." It was sweet, and I liked it. Ted had the ring custom made, and it came with a special meaning. The swimming they beat were made all three

of the daughter-in-law's rings. My mother-in-law had a sapphire, a diamond and a roll cut. I had a sapphire and diamond marquee, but we all had the sapphire and diamond to match our mother-in-law.

I couldn't believe that I was marrying someone like Ted not because he came for money, but because I thought his family was so close, and they seemed like a cohesive unit. It was like that dream I told you when I was young.

I'm getting married, and I'm going to have that family.

“I remember thinking, "It's all happening for me."”

Once they graduated college, Libby and Ted had a big church wedding. They both took jobs working for the state of Indiana, just over the border from Lexington. I worked for the Department of Insurance.

He was in late and acquisition, so he would go and talk to people. They loved it. Ted could talk to anybody.

and they loved it. Ted was passionate about real estate, so he found them the perfect home. Even though they both worked, Ted's family money helped them close on that first house.

I knew he had a trust fund,

“because that's how we bought our first house with his trust fund.”

And we're trying to make our house a home.

His mother would always come over,

bringing gourmet goodies. That year, Libby got a special gift from her mother-in-law. Something to symbolize their bond. Ted's mother had a circle penned it made for each daughter-in-law with little pearls around it.

And she said, "This is a symbol of our circle, our family, and that you're in the circle." Within the first year of their marriage, Libby found out she was pregnant with a baby girl.

For a moment, everything felt perfect. But in about six months, I go to the doctor, and there's no heartbeat. The baby had died at six months.

Ted and his family surrounded Libby, helping her through the grief.

“The doctor has recommended she wait to get pregnant again.”

But she didn't. I lost that baby in May, and I was pregnant again in July, and then I had a healthy baby girl at that point. It was a new beginning,

and they wanted a change of scenery to match. They started talking about returning to Louisville. Libby's hometown. And then Ted comes home and says, "I've got big news."

And I'm like, "What kind of big news," and he said, "Well, I've got an offer to go into the mortgage business and Louisville." So when he said, "We're moving," I was like, "Yeah, you know, going home." With her new baby, they packed up and started over. And we both got full-time jobs at that point.

I worked for wait for a paging company. Pagers were the things. That was big technology back then. And he obviously was in the mortgage industry. He started working for a friend.

And he was a loan originator. The job came naturally to him. Before long, he started his own company, procuring mortgages. He liked it so much. He started his own business.

They seemed to do so well. He had a lot of employees that started working for him. A lot of them, he knew. There were people that we knew. And it just seemed like this was just the absolute best job.

He's got friends that worked for him. The first few years in Louisville were like a dream.

Libby had the normal family. She'd always wanted.

“The only thing that wasn't going perfectly was Libby's help.”

When her daughter was a toddler, Libby began having intense back pain. She needed spinal surgery. But the pain persisted. So she and Ted sat down and decided that Libby should quit her job,

at least for the time being. Ted said, you know, I'm making enough money. You don't need to go back to work. So I didn't. I would stay home for the next 10 years.

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Ted's new mortgage business in Louisville was doing well enough for Libby to quit her job. That way she could focus on her health and their daughter. I did everything that stay in home moms do. Kids play dates. Everything that had to do with my daughter, you know, I was planning.

It was Libby's job to handle their daughter's schedule. And Ted's job was to handle the finances. Which he'd already been doing anyway. And I mean, I'm dyslexic. It affects my numbers.

And I was like a human calculator. They'd been in Louisville a few years when. Ted came home and said that he looked at the house in a neighborhood called Bridge Point, which was a very nice neighborhood. And that was a big leap as far as cost of the homes.

He wanted an upgrade. Something to reflect his success. Libby started drawing up renovation plans and interior designs. I walked in and I read the whole thing. The yard, you name it, I did it.

Everything that I conjured up in my head. I was able to execute. When it was done, the house was perfect. It was going to be there forever home. Life seemed to be getting better and better and better.

I never thought that money was an issue in my life at all.

But Ted still wasn't satisfied. He wanted to become a Kentucky real estate tycoon. So he found new business partners to start another venture. Flipping houses. Flipping homes in depressed parts of Louisville.

Wasn't unusual back then. Because the timeframe of this is 2000, 2001, 2002, before the housing bubble burst. I mean, I need so many people flipping houses. One of Ted's new business partners was a real estate consultant named Khalid.

Khalid was a guy who grew up in a depressed part of Louisville. Khalid had done well for himself business. So they went into business together, flipping homes. Khalid was from that area.

“And I think he knew a lot of people in that area, which made him a nice liaison.”

Ted and Khalid's business proved more successful than either of them imagined.

And Ted really treated the family. We were able to do all of these things. For example, we were in Costa Rica.

“We were able to take our daughter to Bahamas, which was incredible.”

We were at Martha's venue.

We were doing all these things that I could have never done.

Now is this thing. This is great. You know, what a charm like. I really truly was grateful for everything. And then things started to change.

Because Ted's attitude started to change. He had always been quick to anger. But as Libby shared, he was quick to calm down. This time, it was different. Like he would come home increasingly irritable.

But I couldn't understand why it was ongoing. And I would ask him. And he's like, oh, it's work stress. It's work stress. Then he started waking up in the middle of the night.

Like he was in a panic. But he was every night. Like clockwork.

And I never can understand.

And I'm like, what in the world? Why do you wake up like this? Oh, I've just got a lot of my mad. I just thought, okay. Well, they're stress.

He knew his job could be intense. He was always managing multiple sales and home renovations. Each had their own deadlines and expenses. But as the year went on, Ted stress only mounted. But I kept asking.

And he kept getting a little bit. That short with me. And I thought, what is the problem? Ted never shared details about his business with Libby. He kept it all inside.

Except for this one day in 2002. She walked into their bathroom to find Ted leaning over the sink. And I thought he was sick. And I said, what's wrong? And his reaction was so unusual.

He actually did have tears in his eyes. And he said, it's that, often, Khalid. And I said, what are we talking about? What's wrong with Khalid? Libby had met Khalid once or twice.

He'd always been polite to her.

He's so angry. And he's saying, you know, this often Khalid, he screwed me over. He's going to, he's going to screw me. He just kept saying that over and over again.

I go, I don't know what we're talking about.

“Where are we talking about and why are you with Khalid?”

And he said, he's going to screw me. And he may kill you. He may kill our daughter. What? Those aren't words you expect to hear from your husband

about a business associate ever. It was paralyzed for a second. I felt my chest tight enough because I thought, what do you mean? Kill. He's like, well, there's a business deal that's gone bad.

And I don't know what that M-F-R will do. Libby wanted to go to the police. But when she said that, Ted quickly backtracked. He shook it off and told Libby to forget he ever said anything. But that wasn't going to happen.

Her mind was racing. Was Khalid really threatening her and her daughter. Why would Ted say that to her? She got in the car and left the house. I start crying.

All that stress I just start crying because I could not make sense of it. But when Libby returned home to ask more questions, Ted was gone. So I waited and waited. And it come back. Well, I gathered myself together and I thought,

I'm going to call his dad. I'm going to call his parents.

“And I can still remember his mother saying they were outside by the pool.”

And they absorbed all that information. But it wasn't like they were panicked like I was. A little while later, Ted's mom called back. Apparently they talked to Ted and he'd given them the full story. Ted said, "Teddy got a little spute."

And I thought, "Polittle spute." You know, I didn't feel satisfied with that answer. She said, "Well, Ted's realized that Khalid might not be the most savory person. He's a little bit unsavory." And he's not going to consort with him any more or do business with him.

And I said, "Well, he said kill." She goes, "He's just overreacted." I said, "This seems a lot more serious than that." And she said, "Libby, it's okay. He's not going to do business with him any more."

His dad's talked to him. And you know what I believed that? Because his dad was telling me, "This business man, stockbroker, graduate school educated man, highly respected, no nonsense man."

They also advised Libby not to go around telling anyone about that conversation with Ted.

“She trusted his parents, but she was still unsettled.”

So that was not even a red flag. It was a red flare.

When Ted finally came home, he didn't want to talk about it.

He wouldn't talk about it. The house was filled with tension. And during that time, things really started to go sideways. Ted's moods were so awful. Every day, Ted was on edge, the day's turned into weeks.

So, not only is he waking up at three o'clock in the morning, but I'm also waking up to the glow of the laptop. It's like he slept with that computer all the time. One night, Libby was home alone watching TV, and she saw something that would change her life.

I don't know if it was night, I don't know if it was 60 minutes, but it was a woman on TV, and her husband died. And she didn't know anything about her finances, nothing.

“And apparently, she owed thousands of dollars to the IRS,”

and of course, she's on the hook because she found those text returns. And she lost everything. And I was like, "She is me." That is me. Since the beginning of their marriage, Ted paid all their bills,

paid off the credit cards, and managed their savings. When he came to their personal finances, she only knew what Ted told her. And as for his businesses, she was completely in the dark. So I went to him, and I'm like, "I want a folder."

"I want it a folder that showed me what happens if he was anything happened to." I didn't know what would happen with the company. What his business partner bought me out? I mean, these were maybe even silly questions. I just didn't know anything.

So when I started asking, he started pushing back. And I remember thinking, "You know, that's not normal. Why is he defensive?" The more Ted pushed back, the more insistent Libby became. She needed to know everything.

She wanted hard copies. I mean, every time I asked, "You got matter, and matter, and matter, and matter." To the point where we're having really big fights. But I'm still asking about that folder.

“Our arguments kept escalating, because I thought, "Well, does he think I'm not smart enough to understand?”

Does he think he just needs to be controlling? And he's the one that needs to be able to do it all."

Never would I have thought.

He was involved in anything that was affairs. Never. Didn't even occur to me. Libby never got that folder of financial documents. Because a few weeks later, Ted sat her down.

And in a calm voice, he told her the truth. Or at least, a sliver of it. Three days before Christmas, he tells me, "We're bankrupt." We need to file bankruptcy. And I don't just need any bankruptcy.

I mean, chapter seven. Complete liquidation. Bankrupt. Libby had spent a year begging Ted for financial transparency.

The entire time, he never made any indication that they were in debt.

Now out of the blue, he told her they were bankrupt. It didn't add up. I thought, "That can't be right." I mean, it just can't be right. Because you have this company.

You've purchased this beautiful home. We've lived this life. How would we be bankrupt? I couldn't make sense of it. And I didn't even get a good answer.

When Ted tried to explain how it happened, it was just word salad about business deals gone bad. She needed space. I thought something's really wrong. We really should be separated.

She told him to move out and he did. Before he left, he set up a meeting with a bankruptcy attorney. And I'm listening, but I'm still like a shock because I could make sense of it. I'm like, "Well, how are we bankrupt? Like, why are we bankrupt? Where is the money?"

He told Libby this meeting would give her answers, but it didn't. The next day, he came to her with a new plan.

And not me.

The house was solely in my name.

I had no idea why he wanted to do that.

“I just knew that I was like, "You need to leave."”

Because I thought he wants to saddle me with all of that. And he comes out of that unscathed. It was enough for me to be like, "I'm done." She couldn't stay in the marriage. She wanted a divorce.

And it was like a race down to our attorneys. They had both arrived at their separate attorneys offices at the same time. I was at my attorneys. He was at his attorneys. Well, he wanted to make sure that he was the petitioner. That was so important attack. He needed to feel like he's the one that was divorcing me.

They started the process. But before any papers were signed, Ted tried to take back control. So as we're moving along in this divorce, I came home and he's standing in our kitchen saying,

"I've called the divorce office." That's exactly how he said it. I've called the divorce office. I'm like, "Okay, happy. You've called it off." And he said, "And I've written this letter."

And I want you to read it. And the letter stayed it. All the things that he had done to me that were very uncount. Admitting everything. And then he says, "I know you don't know anything about my business practices,

but that will change." Like, "I'm gonna let you in now on everything." But I still wasn't swayed by it because I thought, "Well, why was he resistant the first place?" The letter didn't change her mind.

One line stood out, though. I know you don't know anything about my business practices, but that will change. It sounded like he was finally giving her what she wanted. Transparency.

The only problem?

“He failed to mention the most important detail.”

And that letter, I should point out,

he never says, "By the way, I've been committing mortgage fraud

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A few weeks after Libby and Ted began their divorce, Ted wanted to repair the relationship. He wrote her letter apologizing, promising to come clean about their finances. But Libby didn't trust it.

She had a hunch that Ted was still hiding something. So she decided to turn to the Louisville rumor mill. Libby knew her town well. If Ted was up to something, someone had to know. I would find out, but a friend's husband.

It was an attorney he said that Ted was being investigated by the FBI. I was like, what? Ted was being investigated for a complex mortgage fraud scheme, built on forged documents and phony buyers. Ted, Collide, and his co-workers were all in on it.

They found these straw buyers. To buy these homes in a dilapidated area of Louisville. On paper, those buyers looked great. They had jobs, income, and enough credit to qualify. But none of it was real.

They've made up their employment. So they didn't make the money that they said they did. So that would induce a lender to give them along when they shouldn't have had it in the first place. But in the moment, Libby didn't know any of these details.

All she knew was that they were bankrupt, and that her husband was being investigated by the FBI. So the next time Ted came over to the house, Libby met him in the driveway to demand answers. And I remember this so, so clearly.

I was in my powder bleab of pajamas.

“And I came out and I said, what do you involved in?”

He knew at that point that I'm aware that something's wrong. And I said, are you being investigated by the FBI?

And he looked at me so coldly like he never knew me.

And he said, if I go down, I'm taking you with me. I go, you owe me more of an explanation. And he said verbatim, I don't owe you anything bitch. That's what he said to me. I don't owe you anything bitch.

The man she'd fallen in love with a decade ago was gone. Ted wasn't trying to protect her anymore. He was trying to pull her down right alongside him. But she wasn't about to let that happen. She made an appointment to speak with the authorities herself.

A few days later, Libby found herself walking into a federal building. Her heart pounding. And this is surreal to me. I mean, I'm married, a stay-in-home mom, and the next minute I need to go and speak with the FBI.

And so I get there and there were three agents and they're talking to me, asking me, you know, general questions. Libby sat there trying to recall every conversation, every detail, every red flag she ignored about her husband. She wanted to help their case and show them she was innocent.

The agents left the room. Libby waited and waited. He comes back in.

“And he said, the only thing your guilty of is trusting your husband.”

That's all your guilty of.

Libby still had to manage the divorce and bankruptcy filings. They short sold the house and nearly everything they owned.

“I think my first real taste of what I would have to endure”

was going to the grocery store. Thinking that I had money. And I shot, you know, for an hour went to buy the groceries and there was no money. You know, no funds.

And they had to pull my card aside. And that's embarrassing. And I could feel the sweat beating up. And that was my first indication. I was like, this is bad.

There's no money.

And a matter of weeks, she went from never having to think about money

to not having enough for groceries. To make matters worse, Ted became erratic. He knew the feds were closing in on him. Ted got really, really unruly. He would show up at my house.

Hard to hide a tree. It'd be like late at night. And I would sit on the back of my steps. And he would come and yell at me. He would say the honest things to me.

He would say things like I will never be found guilty. I will be found innocent in a court of law. And he named himself, "Teth law and Ted." Because the charges don't stick. But Ted's nickname didn't hold up.

He was indicted. And the charges were serious. Mortgage fraud. Bang fraud. Higher fraud.

Totally millions of dollars. Ted was one of four men named in the indictment. Along with Collide.

And two other men, Libby had never heard of.

They'd been inflating the value of homes, flipping them to each other at ballooned prices. And pocketing the difference. The scheme worked for a while. But then they started to fall on these loans.

And you know, someone's left holding the bag. The House of Cards collapsed. And Libby was the one left trying to make sense of the wreckage. After the indictment, it was another four years of hearings and negotiations

before Ted was sentenced to prison. Libby tried her best to co-parent with him during this tense waiting period. He was ordered to pay $149 a month in child support. Practically nothing. As part of the divorce agreement, Libby and her daughter

could stay in a condo owned by Ted's parents. But only for two years.

After that, she would be on her own.

That's not a long time. When you don't have a job,

“you don't know if you have to go back to school.”

That goes by very quickly. But daughter was ten years old. And that scared me a great deal. And what scared me more is Ted defaulted on every single thing. So I had to go to court.

Ted left behind a trail of defaulted debt. Some of it in Libby's name. Through forged signatures. And I knew he signature was. It was my husband.

I recognized his handwriting. She tried to call the debt collectors. But as soon as she said Ted was her ex-husband, their tone shifted. If you say it's somebody you don't know,

then they're a lot. You say it's your husband. Like we're one person. It really was like I saw my identity over at the altar. Her credit was wrecked.

And her sense of safety was gone. After those two years were up, she had to find a new home. She had no where to go. She and her daughter moved into a rundown apartment.

Pretty dilapidated place. Roaches awful. But I needed a place to live. Because of her bankruptcy filing, she couldn't even get the lights turned on in her name.

They wouldn't even let me get electric M&A without a co-center. And I'm like, "Why am I just going to freeze to death?" One of the last times she saw Ted, she asked him why he did it.

It is answer was because I can't.

“That's what he said to me after all those years.”

And I said you bankrupted me, his answer was I bankrupted myself. It's almost like he didn't care how that affected me. One day when Libby was at a particularly low point, she decided to reach out to Ted's mother.

I asked his mom a bag, and I said, "We need money." I said, "Do you realize that Ted only pays $14 a month?" And her exact words were that's what the courts say. This woman had welcomed her into their family,

and even given her that circle necklace to represent their bond.

not even for their granddaughter's education.

“And I couldn't believe it because I adored them.”

I mean, they had so much. I couldn't understand why they wouldn't be generous.

They never gave me a dollar more.

It was heartbreaking because she respected them, and she thought she was in their circle. But when she was drowning, they looked the other way. In the end, their loyalty was never to her. It was to Ted.

I felt like his parents thought I'd betrayed him by not standing by my man, and quotes, if he was. Because I think they wanted me to do, but their son betrayed me. Finally, Ted pled guilty.

There was no trial, no courtroom showdown. No witness stand where Libby could testify to what she'd lost. In a way, Libby wanted to hear it all out in the open. If there's a trial, you get to watch, and you can see what happened to your life. I wanted to know, what really happened?

“He was sentenced to 18 months in federal prison,”

and ordered to pay $3 million in restitution. After the sentencing, Libby decided to go look for answers on her own. I decided I wanted to do an archaeological dig on myself. She called up in acquaintance who worked in the mortgage business. And asked her, "Do you know what happened?"

Because I thought she did. And she said, "You know, Libby, let me tell you something. You need to get on online deed records. She gives you might find yourself there. I go, "What do you mean?

I've never been on that ever."

She said, "Just take my advice and go look." So Libby did, and what she found made her stomach turn. Well, I go look at those deeds, and they're my name was. They'd forged my name in that fraud scheme. When I found that out, I sent a text message to my ex-husband

that I knew what he had done to me. He used to be in your fraud scheme. I mean, what happens if the FBI would have thought

“that I really was a part of that, and I was sitting in prison?”

He put my foot on and jeopardy. And I never spoke a word to him again. Libby took the forged documents to the police station to try and press charges. This detective calming goes, "You know, I was interested in your case.

Here's the thing. Your husband's already gone to prison. This case has been adjudicated. So there's nothing that we can do for you. And I thought, "Why not?

How come I can't do something for me?" I mean, it looks like I helped facilitate that fraud. But he said there was nothing that could be done. If she couldn't get justice, she at least wanted to set the record straight.

I said, "Why want my name off those deeds? I didn't care if they sat there for ten years. I did not want for generations to look like a committed that fraud." After eight years of back and forth, she got the documents amended.

It finally says on online deed records, "My name was obtained, forged by ex-husband or others. It officially says that." Now there's proof. And now I can set that rumor straight,

but words, rumors really truly can harm me forever. Even after she got the records fixed, she still hears whispers, rumors about her being in on it. And people love it when people that they see as being a fluent, live in the life belonging to country clubs fall.

I didn't grow up with all that. I appreciated it. But a lot of people just assume, "Oh, they deserve it." They knew it. I didn't know.

I was financially illiterate. And that, I tell people, "Do not be that." If you're significant, other is push 'em back. That's a red flag. It's a lesson she learned the hardest way possible.

But unlike the bankruptcy and the deeds,

some consequences could never be expunged.

It affected my relationship with my daughter. A young girl had this beautiful life. And all of a sudden, it's freed stamps. And people at school don't be nice to her because her dad's in prison. She was so upset and her father's going to prison.

She just wanted to see her. And he got mad at her in similar and email from prison saying,

You won't do well in life." From prison.

“And I thought, "Wow, what a statement to make.”

You're in a federal prison. Telling your daughter not to be like her mother." Ted was released from prison in 2010.

He never reached out to Libby.

And then he got to transition white back into another home and a condo that his parents owned. It was never like that for me. I applied for affordable housing twice. Never could get it.

It's hard for Libby to stomach, watching Ted end up with a soft landing. She set a fight tooth and nail to rebuild her life and regain financial stability. Plus, there are still big unanswered questions.

Did Khalid really threaten to kill her? What was really going on there? To this day, I don't really know if that's true or not. Maybe if you're talking, I don't know. I don't know if Ted was lying to me.

Only Ted would know that.

“She's had to come to terms with being in the dark,”

and not knowing everything about the crimes that destroyed her life.

I have to just live with never knowing

because maybe somebody will come out of the woodwork to talk to me and tell me they haven't yet, but you never know, you never know what could happen. You're supposed to forgive people for yourself. I have a really hard time with that,

but I don't want to be bitter because I just eat you. We end every episode with the same question. Why did you want to tell your story? I'll always mourn that I didn't get the life that I set out to have. Because I grew up with such dysfunction,

my dream was to be married to someone who loved me. I know it's silly with that house and the white picket fence, and a nice family because I didn't have it. In the end, it's also a cautionary tale.

“There's a lot in there that I would never do again.”

I had a bank account and he put money in it,

and I was okay with that. He paid all the credit cards. He did all of it. And I was clueless. You know, don't do that. Don't let that happen to you. Some small things that I could have done could have changed

to course in my life. And I'm eternally here all day and my life imploded. And I'm like, why did that happen? Maybe to help other people. Maybe that's just as simple as that.

Next week on Betrayal Weekly. She's doing so many lives. Brought so many hearts. It's just left me wondering, did she ever have any love for any of us?

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