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Guaranteed Human.
I'm Lori Seagull, and on my new podcast, Mostly Human,
I'll take you to some wild corners of the tech world. I'm about to go on a date with an AI companion at a real world cafe right here in New York City. There's no playbook for what to do when an AI model hallucinates a story about you.
Mostly human is your playbook for how tech can work for you. Anyone can now be an entrepreneur, anyone can build an app, and it's very empowering. Listen to Mostly Human on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
I'm Bailey Taylor, and this is Icarol. This podcast is all about going deeper with the women shaping culture right now. Yes, we will talk about the style and the success, but we are also talking about the pressure, the expectations, and the real work behind it all.
As a woman in the industry, you're always underestimated.
“So you have to work extra hard in a way that doesn't compromise.”
Who you are in your integrity? You know, I like to say I was kind of like a silent ninja. Listen to It Girl with Bailey Taylor on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, this is Josh from Stuff You Should Know
with a message that could change your life. The stuff you should know, think Spring Podcast Playlist is available now. Whether Spring is sprung in your neck of the wood yet or not.
The stuff you should know, think Spring Playlist will make you want to get your overalls on,
get outside, and get your hands in the dirt. You can get the stuff you should know, think Spring Playlist on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than no grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series.
Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the under explored pockets of F1. Including the story of the woman who last participated in a Formula One race weekend, the recent uptick in F1 romance novels, and plenty of mishab scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful, decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to NoGrip on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
I'm Andrea Gunning, and this is a bonus episode of Betrayal. In Season 5 episode 7, we introduced you to three other survivors of intimate partner violence. Their stories were strikingly similar to Sasuke's, and like Sasuke, they've each rebuilt in the aftermath of what happened to them. We wanted to give you some updates on where these survivors are today. So let's start with Ember. Remember, her fiance John was
drugging and raping her. He confessed everything to their pastor. The pastor goes, "How often has this happened?" He goes, "This has happened probably once a week, almost the whole time we've been engaged." Still, she planned to stay in the relationship, to try to make it work. But then, she had a chance encounter with John's therapist. He broke a major rule of his profession. By telling her, we've run through a series of diagnostic tests on your fiance. He's not
“a safe person. He's officially diagnosed as a sociopath, and you should get as far away from him”
as possible. That was kind of the point where I was like, "I can't marry this man." This is the moment where back in episode 7, we paused the story. But we want to tell you what happened next. Even after hearing from John's therapist and ending the relationship, Ember didn't seriously consider going to the police. What mattered to her was ensuring that John didn't hurt other people, and she felt that that was possible without John serving time. I said, "I'm not going to
press charges. I'm not going to go to the police as long as you continue getting the help you need to heal so you don't do this to other people." And he said, "Okay, yeah, of course, obviously, I'm going to do that." But before long Ember heard through mutual friends, that John stopped going to therapy, and whatever treatment he had received, hadn't worked. "A friend of ours observed him dragging somebody else called me and it was like,
things are not better. This is escalating, and so that's when I went to the police." But reporting this crime was far from straightforward. Retraumatizing, I guess would be the best word for it. I was still struggling to put the pieces together.
“I don't remember everything because I did dissociate and there's aspects that I don't call.”
As a reminder, not only was John drugging Ember, she was dissociating during his attacks.
Her mind went completely dark as a way of protecting itself from harm.
best. So when she went to the cops, they dismissed her. They're like, "We can't really use your
tests, really. We need this happened at this time and where it happened." On top of that, Ember didn't have the physical evidence necessary to file charges. "I didn't have a stain exam done right after the attack. I didn't have a drug panel done through that there was anything in my system. I just had his words to a pastor in a room that had taken place." They're like, "The best we can do is attempt for a very order of restraint.
And even then once that's up, you kind of have to reapply for it in order to reapply for it.
“You have to prove that he's trying to contact you and so you can't just have this indefinitely."”
And it was just really disheartening of like, "I have no legal ability to protect myself. I have to wait for him to hurt someone else or hurt me in order to prove that he is a dangerous person." Ember's case was at a standstill. That is the most heartbreaking part of our legal system as it stands. You have real victims being courageous enough to come forward and then nothing can be done. And you're like, "Well then what's even the point of being courageous?"
John was never brought to justice, but that didn't stop Ember from moving forward with her life.
Today, it's been 20 years since she was raped. And when I hit that 20-year anniversary, it was very like, "Who? I'm where I wanted to be." She did finally get married to a man she trusts. They have two sons, and she is a great career. I've been working with survivors kind of as a direct result of what I've been through. She supports victims of sex trafficking and sexual exploitation,
especially in creating longer-term safety plans. The statistics tell us that 80% of survivors of either trafficking or exploitation will be re-victimized within a year if they don't have restorative health alongside them. So that isn't just like rescue and hope for the bastard or cover and hope for the best. Do you really do have to walk alongside them and really give them the tools they need to identify,
safe and unsafe people to understand trauma and how that affects us day in and day out? Assisting other survivors has helped Ember on her own journey.
I've been able to bear witness to so many other amazing stories that have been healing for me
and helpful for me too. She encourages other survivors to reach out to train professionals for this kind of help. No one has to hold this pain alone. The instinct is to hide. It's to run away from anyone who can observe that pain
“and in reality you need to lean in and you need to show what is happening.”
You need to reveal and drag it into the light so it doesn't keep thriving in the darkness. Next, we want to share the rest of Natalie's story. She was pregnant when she found graphic sexual material created and posted by her husband's Steven. You can see his hands, his wedding ring, and then I realized that I am in these images. It's been over 12 years since that moment. For a long time after she moved out and got a divorce,
she mostly kept what she discovered to herself. The shame was really unbearable. Like who am I going to tell this to? On top of the shame, she felt like she had to keep quiet for the sake of her kids. Steven's voice was still in her head. He was their dad. I didn't want my kids to grow up in a divorced or like a single family home.
“I was ashamed of that too and it was like the stigma of everything and I look back now and I think it's”
not silly but you know that was my mindset at the time. So for many years, Steven's secret was her secret. They continued to co-parent, trading off time with their kids, but Steven would often push the boundaries they'd agreed on. He would ask me, "I know you're not working today and you have the kids, but I'd like to see them. Could we do something together and I would still agree to it?"
Sometimes he would even come to my house and just knock on the door and just say, "Come in my house." And I just wanted to see the kids. I'm like, "You can't just do that." My son would be like, "Oh hey dad, hey mom, can dad come in or can dad eat with us?" And I'm like, "Okay, now I was given. I thought it was really better for the kids." It took her a while to see. She needed to prioritize herself. That was how to be the best mom she could be.
He shouldn't be this comfortable.
Eventually I'm like, "No, enough. You're not going to do this anymore."
I'm Laurie Seagull, a longtime tech journalist, and consider my new podcast, Mostly Human, your bridge to the future. Anyone can now be an entrepreneur. Anyone can build an app. And it's very empowering. Each week, I'll speak to the people building that future, and we're going to break down what all of this innovation actually means for you. What I come to realize is that when people think that they're dating these AI companion,
they're actually dating the companies that create this. We're experiencing one of the greatest tech accelerations in human history. And let's be honest, that can be messy. There's no playbook for what to do when an AI model hallucinates a story about you.
But it's my belief that we should all benefit from this moment. Mostly human will show you how.
My goal is to give you the playbook, so you can benefit. The reason I say agency is because, like, if you can give power back to people,
“then I think that's probably the best thing we can do for your mental health.”
Listen to Mostly Human on the iHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. I became a millionaire overnight, but lost everything that actually mattered. Wait a minute, Sophia, did you just say he lost everything? That's right, it's an eriting too much drama week on the okay story time podcast,
so we'll find out soon. This person writes, "I just inherited a fortune after losing my mom, and now my girlfriend's entire family is coming out of nowhere with their hands up. One sibling wants me to fund their whole lifestyle. Another vanished for four years and suddenly reappeared, and my girlfriend is already giving my money away."
Hold on, Sophia, so the girl he wants to marry is already sending money out the door. And that's just the beginning. He makes a plan, sets up a trust,
and finally thinks he has everything under control.
Okay, so things work out then? Let's just say the people he trusted the most are the ones who ended up shocking him the most to just the money and up being worth going through all that. To find out, listen to the okay story time podcast on the iHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
“Why hasn't a woman formally participated in a Formula One race weekend in over a decade?”
Think about how many skills they have to develop at such a young age? What can we learn from all of the new F1 romance novels suddenly popping up every year? He's still smelled of podium champagne and expensive friction. And how did a 2023 event called Waga Getting change the paddock forever? That day is just seared into my memory.
I'm a culture writer and F1 expert Lily Herman and these are just a few of the questions I'm tackling on no grip, a Formula One culture podcast that dives into the under-explored pockets of the sport. In each episode a different guest tonight will go deeper into the wacky mishaps, scandals, and sagas both on the track and far away from it that have made F1 a delightful, decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no grip on the iHard Radio app,
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
“Hey there, this is Josh from stuff you should know with a message that could change your life.”
The stuff you should know thinks bring podcast playlists is available now, whether spring is sprung in your neck of the wood yet or not. The stuff you should know thinks bring playlists will make you want to get your overalls on, get outside, and get your hands in the dirt. You can get the stuff you should know thinks bring playlists on the iHard Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Over time Natalie started setting
firmer boundaries, gaining confidence, and slowly she began opening up to people about what her ex-husband Steven did. One of those people was her best friend, who was also her ex sister and law. If you'll recall Steven was Natalie's best friend's brother. Back when Steven and Natalie separated, Natalie protected her friend from the truth. I didn't want her to know, I didn't want that to change her relationship with her brother, but years later ended up telling her.
Sadly, her friend came to Steven's defense. I still want to believe that I was drugged or that he was doing anything like that, that I was probably misunderstanding. She chose really victim blaming. That's another just big blow to me. But there were people who were there for her, and who continued to be there for Natalie to this day, like her sister's, her friends, and her therapist. Talking about it and sharing my secret and letting this go and not carrying
Much of it really helped.
again. She's even had romantic relationships, including a fiancé who believed her without hesitation
“or judgment. He's been continuously supportive of my process and has helped me feel safe and my trauma.”
She's also now in a place where after 12 years, she's considering reporting Steven to the authorities. Even after all this time, she's held on to all the evidence of what he did. "I have my son's tablet, I have memory cards, and I have old cell phones that I just have saved, I have not gone back and looked at, and I feel like I'm ready to." Recently, she contacted her local rape crisis center to talk through her options legally.
Just having someone who understands my slow process and can give me legal advice on what I could do about that
is helpful. It's been hard for me to accept, like, I don't have to put everybody first all the time.
What I feel matters, my struggles matter and what I'm going through matters, so I have to stop protecting him and follow through with what I've been wanting to do for years. None of this feels easy, and Natalie still has a lot of hard days, but that secret, Steven's secret, doesn't weigh on her, like, it once did. "Every member thinking about it, like, this huge elephant that I was trying to hide behind me,
“like, by standing in front of it. That's how I felt on the inside.”
Now, it's like, the elephant is just further and further and further away from me. Lastly, I want to give an update on Stephanie. She found something terrifying on her husband's computer. He had a flicker account that was filled with nude photos of me, hundreds of pictures.
We first met her in 2023, when Betrayal Weekly was just an idea. Her story became the show's
first two episodes. Back then, she talked about how her discovery affected her relationship with her body. When I was married, I had long-ish hair, and I wore very feminine clothing, and in the day's following finding out, I cut off all my hair, and I wore very plain, baggy, non-descript clothing.
“Today, a lot has changed. In the few years since we met her, Stephanie's gained a better sense”
of why she needed to alter her appearance. I saw so many of the images, the photos that he took, and so my trauma was very rooted in the sight of my face and my body. And so, in those couple of years after, I discovered what he was doing, the sight of my own face, and my own body was very triggering for me. It was very difficult to even change my clothes or take a shower by not taking care of myself, cutting my hair short, and by wearing the baggy clothing,
I could keep myself safe from seeing myself. And since the podcast and as I have continued with therapy and yoga, I have been able to reclaim myself again. I'm growing my hair out again. I actually make a little effort with my clothing, and when I catch a glimpse of myself in the mirror, it's like, oh, that's actually me. I look like me again. She's dedicated herself to being an advocate, telling her story
and the hopes that new victims will feel less alone. I strongly believe that this is happening to lots of other women out there, and they just don't know it yet. And as these women start to discover what's being done to them, I want them to have a softer landing than I had to have some resources, so they don't feel like they are screaming into the void saying, am I the only person in the world that this ever happened to? She also wants those people to know that there is
life to live after a crime like this. For a long time, I thought the dirtiest, most foul word in the human language was hope. Fuck, hope. There was no hope.
Now, yeah, I can be hopeful.
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I'm Lori Siegel and on my new podcast mostly human, I'll take you to some wild corners of the tech world. I'm about to go on a date with an AI companion at a real world cafe right here near my city. There's no playbook for what to do when an AI model who hallucinates a story about you. Mostly human is your playbook for how tech can work for you. Anyone can now be an entrepreneur, anyone can build an app, and it's very empowering. Listen to mostly human on the iHeart Radio
app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than no grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the underexplored pockets of f1, including the story of the woman who last participated in a Formula One race weekend, the recent uptick in f1 romance novels, and plenty of mishab scandals and sagas
that have made Formula One a delightful, decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no grip on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Bailey Taylor, and this is iHeart. This podcast is all about going deeper with the women-shaping culture right now. Yes, we will talk about the style and the success, but we are also talking about the pressure, the expectations, and the real work behind it all. As a woman in the industry,
“you're always underestimated, so you have to work extra hard in a way that doesn't compromise,”
who you are in your integrity. You know, I like to say I was kind of like a silent ninja. Listen to it, girl, with Bailey Taylor on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, this is Josh from stuff you should know, with a message that could change your life. This stuff you should know, think Spring Podcast Playlist is available now, whether Spring is sprung in your neck of the wood yet or not. The stuff you should know,
think Spring Playlist will make you want to get your overalls on, get outside, and get your hands in the dirt. You can get the stuff you should know, think Spring Playlist on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed Human.
