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Epstein conspiracies, and I'm going to answer all your questions from the DMs so stick around. I was in Jupiter, and I don't, and so I'm texting Charmaine, and I'm like, where did you get this edible from? She gave it to me.

Why did she get it from? We don't know where it came from. We can't figure out where the edible came from, let I talk. We don't know the provenance. You don't know the origin story.

No, and now I'm like, our things that are bad were I'm just eating drugs that I bought into my house, like, I just tried to find it in her bag that had lint on it. So she did find it in her bag, and she gave it to me, but it was in a little time bag. No, there was no lint on it, but it was in a little time bag, and so she gave it to me, but it was like a year ago.

So it's just been in the cabinet and the cupboard and I'm like, this is like the equivalent of when you were like, when you know when you were a kid and your grandma had like a candy in her purse. Sure. And like, no.

“It literally was, I think I was in a toy store with Charmaine.”

We were shopping. Yeah. And she was like, oh, do you want this edible, my friend gave it to me or something?

I don't like that. I don't like that. And I texted her.

I was like, where did you get this?

Because she went another one?

“Because she was like, let me text my friend to find out, and then he couldn't remember.”

So now we've got a whole chain going around looking for the origin story. Mm-hmm. Anyway. How is your weekend, gorgeous? Look at you.

Oh my god, a vision. A vision. Intope. Intope. Um, there was something I wanted to say to you, and I can't remember what it is.

It doesn't matter. Okay. Was it a slur? Maybe. As usual.

Maybe this weekend, someone yelled at me. Did you have a coming? I was going to DC. So I was headed to DC. Why are we going to DC?

I am track. I spoke at an event. Okay.

And so I had to take Miss Am track.

Okay. And since the airports are crocked, truly a hot mess in America right now, am track has really taken up running as well. I mean, an am track already the infrastructure is not terrific. Right.

So yeah. Yeah, it's hanging on by a thread. You're lucky if you have two rails for the train. Right. So it's about, I want to say, a throng of 200 people waiting for the actual track to be announced,

right? Because everyone like waits for the track. Right. And it's all New York DC types of people are just like standing there on their phone.

So I'm very bored waiting for the track to be announced. I hear someone yell, hey. Guys, everyone stops and turns because there's nothing else going on in the train station. And I turn. And this guy's looking right at me.

Locked eyes. Locked eyes. And he goes, yes. Yeah. My wife loves your videos.

So now everyone on the platform turns. Look. Looks right at me. Maybe he's got the only fan. Who is this guy?

I'm just guy. I'm no one else knows who I am. Except this one man who he doesn't even know who I am. So how do he know to shout you out? He must have seen something, but he was like my wife, not even me.

I could give a shit about you, but my fucking wife never shuts up about you.

Whatever. It's stereo. I'm red. I'm in like jeans, T-shirt hat. Like I'm not wearing a dress.

I don't look. I'm not in the Michael foot drag. I'm not in a suit. I don't actually look like. What do you mean?

Like the way that people would recognize me.

“Do you mean to tell me that you fancy yourself to be this unrecognized number?”

No one would ever catch it, no one would ever clock it. Tell me random thing about being recognizable. I remember, so before I had weight loss surgery, I was looking at a picture and I had showed it to a friend of mine who didn't know me before. And she was like, you don't even look like yourself.

And I reject that so much like this idea that I am a completely different person. Now, you look, not that you don't, you look like a different version of yourself. But not like who's that person. Honestly, the thing that's like more alarming when I see those holes, your hair is

like different. Yeah. It's colored, it's straightened or it's treated. It's treated. It's treated.

I don't know the time. I'm a bald ass bitch. I don't know what the term is. I'm sorry. I'm going to blow it out.

You would blow it out. Okay. Wait, so back to you. I'm sorry. So do you really, do you think that people think that you look very different in

person than I just not? It doesn't. So when, if I'm at the courthouse and the jury's are getting out, multiple people, oh my god, I love your videos. Michael's got people who recognize me there.

Okay. Because I'm like in the context or if someone sees my video, they, I'm like within the context. Okay.

“But here, I really was like, I think I was like kind of hungover from that”

at a ball. I'm in my gym and jeans and attitude, like I'm waiting on, I'm not on an am track platform. I don't know for some reason, I just didn't think I wasn't ready for it. So then he says, can I take your photo?

I said, sure. Yeah. So I go, I go to lean in for a selfie and he just takes a photo of me standing that with my back. So Christ, you're leaning in.

Just like this. With my bags like, hey, hi, what's up? But I think I really made. I hopefully made her day. Maybe.

You were the spouse of the man, I'm not the Michael on the Amtrak platform. Could you please reach out to him? She was, everyone was very nice in the situation. I don't know. No, no, no, no, but reach out to him.

It'll make him feel better. Everyone on the Amtrak was like staring the whole time. Well, they want to know what kind of videos are you making? Yeah. Did you see that?

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Yeah. Yeah, let's go. We're going to get CJ.

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comes up. We promise nothing will happen. I'll give you my credit card just letting you know what comes up. We'll give you Karen Kiligore of Credit Card. And you let us know what comes up.

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Was it like poor, like, like, zip popping? Oh, no, she was my waxing and stuff. Oh, oh, her only, no, sorry. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

She was putting on my pants. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. It was her. She had said to me.

She's like, "Yes, what? I have a OnlyFans page." Oh, no. And I was so deeply curious. If you wanted, it's you getting waxed.

No, no, no, it wasn't. It wasn't. It was.

But I never signed up for it.

Oh, okay. But I wanted to. But I felt like if I would be, it would be like a breach of some kind. I mean, if she's telling you about it, I feel like-- And I asked.

I'm like, what do you do on it? And she was just like, she said to me what she couldn't believe were the things that, in her case, it was men paying her to do whatever, that the things that men would pay for. I'm already gave her $500 for her to sit there in her bra and underwear eating soup. And I was like, that's it.

And she was like, that's it. Oh, honey, I'm doing that for free. What? I'm doing that on live. Right.

Yeah. I know. I gotta start ticketing these events. This is unbelievable. To eat soup.

I am. Underwear on her bed. Do you have a favorite soup rest? I love soup. I could eat soup every day.

I could eat soup. Oh, my God. Right now, my favorite soup is white bean and escrow. I love it. Beautiful.

And any of those greens, they're all in season right now. It's like late winter. Yep. This is the best time to be doing all in the rainy day. I like soup.

So it's a problem. Really? He is he's a particular eater. He likes what he likes. Okay.

And he doesn't love soup. He does like, Bisc. Make me a lobster, Bisc. Okay, babe. No problem.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. My bougie asked man. Brad can make corn chowdarn as grandfather taught him how to make it. I love corn chowdarn.

It's really. It's so good. The problem for me is a lot of dairy in that. I don't need three gallons of corn chowdarn and a household of two people. Nope.

Because now I'm eating corn chowdarn for two weeks straight. No, no, no, no, you hate it. And that was, yes.

“So can we make a rash like, that's a rash in the corn chowdarn?”

Why don't you just have the recipe? I'm not it. I can't, I can't give input in the kitchen if he's cooking. Okay. I don't have standing to litigate.

Why not in that courtroom? We, we have a division of powers in the house, like it is by camorolism. There is the house. There is. I can't be given him because then he'll be in here trying to tell me how to slice a

shallot. And that is, I'm holding, I'm already holding a knife. I'm an ambulance. Let's not. Yeah.

Duck by mandolin. Yeah. Let's do a sidebar. I know we wanted to revisit transracialism because we really just dropped that in the common section like it was hot and I knew nothing about it.

You found out live here on the scene, what I knew about transracialism. Which was nothing? Zero. Admittedly, I also know very little about it. I just sort of fell into it and he's like, what is this?

But that's the point of the algorithm. Right. It just, it just drops you into that burger. I know. And then before you know what you're in a.

Next half of the whole. I'm texting the lady at the burger store and I don't even want one. Okay. Tell me about transracialism. Okay.

Um, I got a text message from someone that I know they have asked that I keep their privacy. So I will do that and this is what they said to me. Hi Melissa. I listened to your most recent episode and was interested by your in Michael's conversation

on transracialism and being transgender, I wanted to give you my thoughts on it. First, I'll start by saying that I am speaking from a bias perspective on the matter.

“But I do think there is important difference between the two.”

Both gender and race are essentially made up social constructs that don't even have the same different definitions from culture to culture and even from person to person. But to me, what makes being trans different than being transracial is in the actions and decisions in the people in the two communities are making. Okay.

Once someone like Rachel does all decides to become a black woman and takes up a position as president of the spoken and the belacy P chapter that comes at the expense of a community that she does not belong to. On the other hand, the transgender community is not doing things like that.

We are not speaking on behalf of cis women or cis men and I personally never heard of a

trans person who argues that they are. Trans people for the most marks be only on behalf of other trans people. This is where I see the difference, but I always have more to learn and perhaps there's a perspective that I have overlooked.

I absolutely read this and to the person when they know who they are, I adore you completely.

And thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much for participating and our plan is really to really get into this. We're looking for some experts. If anybody out there knows anyone by all means, please shoot us an email because like Michael said, this sort of came into my algorithm randomly, I fell into a rabbit hole over it,

but I am no expert and I think that it could be a really interesting conversation for us to have. I think so.

“And I think that's interesting because it's about behavior, right?”

It's not about, it's almost not about identity, it's what you do with that identity, right? So, this person was making the comparison between like trans people are just trans living thriving. And then some trans racial people like Ritual Dolls, Dolls are then you're surping areas that of the people of color communities, right?

Interesting. Okay. Because it's not just that she decided Ritual Dolls decided to live her life as a black woman,

she went into what has been a historically black space and was like time the expert.

And took a spot. Yeah. And took a spot that did not belong to her. And also I think was like speaking on behalf of, right because she was like, it's me, right? She was like, I told you the thing about her hair transition really really bothered me

because of somebody who went through it. Sure. I was just like, how dare you? Yeah. How dare you?

This is your algorithm that's showing what's going on in our news feed and our TikToks, our Instagram reels, what is happening? So you were taking a break from the news feed from the algorithm. I was. Are you back?

I'm kind of back. Really? Yeah. I'm back. I'm back.

I'm back. Yeah. I am back. It's hard, you know, it's one of those things where you take a break to sort of preserve

your sanity and the news is always, it always feels so everything just feels so dire, right?

So you take a break. But then you're walking around another world and you don't know what's going on. And I don't, I also don't love that feeling, not that I'm an expert on anything, but, you know,

“being relatively informed I think is important.”

Well last night, I was getting into bed and something within me said you should open Instagram right now. Something within me. Something within the demon in me said open Instagram. And I did.

And you did. Brads are already passed out. Sure. The dogs talked away in his bed. And there I was and I open it and it says updated one minute ago.

Okay. The air Canada and the stairs collision. So now I'm seeing it and it's the worst thing that can happen to an influencer. I'm seeing it and everyone's asleep and I can't talk to anyone about it. So what did you do?

I went to bed. Okay. But it was unbelievable what I was like, this is crazy. I know. I need to talk to someone about this.

So I guess the plane was landing and there was already an emergency at Laquardia. Correct. And so they shut it down. Yes. And so the stairs were headed to some other emergency and the air Canada plane hit the

stairs. Okay. Both pilots died. I know. That's awful.

I know.

“I mean, and it's obviously, you know, any loss of life is terrible, right?”

But it's not just that. It's also the repercussions of this accident. Yes. So I had a colleague who was supposed to fly in from somewhere. Now there are stuck where they are and they will be able to get back in until tomorrow.

And I mean, I think it also shows us how fragile our infrastructure is for everything. And how reliable it is upon the federal government. Right. Like, airplanes at Laquardia. And they're success at landing are directly connected to whether or not the federal government

has funding. Right. Like, we can't just sort of like break these pieces apart. No, you can't. They're there.

They're very upset. And airport is directly due to the funding bill being paused. So I thought that was interesting. I mean, TSA and ICE agents today, today's, we record on Mondays. So I've already made a couple of videos today.

If you want to check them out online about what's going on in airports, I've been reposting this is very much breaking news. But TSA agents are not getting paid. Some of them are still at airports in America. But ICE agents are now going to be in American airports as of today Monday.

Right. So is the idea behind that to take the place of the TSA agents that are not there?

be doing? And what they're doing there? Because they're supposed to, I guess this is, be, stop gap for staff. I don't even think the president could say why he has my savings in airports. They're supposed to be serving as TSA agents.

But literally, it's the first day they're there, we're already seeing them arresting migrants

in airports. As a mask, summer mask a lot of them are not. And so there's videos of them running away from photographers at the airport. Because they don't want to be photographed. It's almost like you're doing something you're not supposed to do.

“That you have to run away from a photographer.”

If you're running away from a photographer, maybe you're not doing the wrong thing. They're doing the wrong thing. Doing the wrong thing. Yeah. Yeah.

And, you know, couldn't happen to better people as far as I'm concerned. And the thing is, is that I made a video about, this is what, if you're any one other than a US citizen don't travel, at least for a week or two. Yeah. I saw this.

See what happens. Let's just like, we already know, every time these people and air quotes people are deployed to a city that they do something they're not supposed to do, right? We already know they don't care about the constitution they don't care about the Fourth Amendment.

They don't care about, anyway, they don't care about your first amendment, right? They can and will detain you if you are just a person of color. They don't care. So, everyone freaked out when I made that video and they were like, well, what about my trip and I'm on a contract and I'm supposed to want to cruise and my sister's cousin

has to, has to travel for work and that what I said, do not travel.

I will, and I said it, I will always be the most careful of the opinions of the voices

in this space. My job is to keep you out of removal proceedings.

“Once we're there, it's a lot harder for me to help you, right?”

I've there plenty of things I can do in immigration court and help you in a removal proceeding, but let's not let it get there, right? Let's cancel the trip, right? There's a difference between like, taking a precaution and being safe and having to like claw back and like figure out, let's avoid an emergency situation if possible, no matter

how convenient. So that is still what I suggest people do, despite the overwhelming number of people who reached out asking me about their specific situation. You sure, I'm going to, I'm going to double, I'm going to double down, I'm going to tend to is down on this one and say, wait two weeks and see what they're doing.

It's day one and I'm already watching a woman being tackled in Oakland. So let's like take, let's wait, let's wait, I want to keep you safe, sure. That is like where I'm coming from here. So that was the one thing that was really all look for my feed today. Um, Pam Bondi though, Sapina.

Sapina. Good. Bye, Robert Garcia. And good. She's like, I'm not doing it, which means, eventually, if you avoid Sapina's enough,

a warrant for your arrest. I don't think you get arrested. You got arrested. You got arrested. So you know what?

Don't go, Pam. Don't go. I would love to see that photo. I would now wait to see this woman with no extensions, no filler in an orange jumpsuit. I got a spot for you on my lock screen when you're ready.

And we got that photo. I would love for that. You're going to take jack off your screen for Pam. For Pam Bondi getting perp walked into absolutely.

“I would take anyone, no one in my life is more important than that.”

This you all. No. Fair, fair, fair, fair. My husband will tell you, I have a degree. Look.

Mm-hmm. Speaking of spouses, have you followed the secret life's immortal life's trauma this weekend? Oh, it's not the chick who, the back, the bachelor at? Yeah.

The role of schools and taking names. So we've got what's her name? Taylor Frankie Green. Yeah. So these are not things that I watch, right?

Like, I'm not a bachelor at person. I'm not a secret housewives or anybody person. But secret housewife. Of whatever it is. I, this is just don't tell anyone I'm a stand.

Yes, yes. I don't think there's not things that I'm interested in. But again, if you're on social media, it came across. And I did, when I saw her throw in the stool, I went back to look at her. It's like, what is happening here?

You know what I wonder, I, I wonder, because think about this is a huge franchise. Sure. It makes a ton of money. Yes. And I wonder who's going to lose their job over this, because the person was not

vetted. Well, we found out who's Taylor Frankie Green, because they canceled the bachelor. Right. But do you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Yeah.

I always wonder about that.

What is the vetting process? What are the questions that are asked or not asked? No one is, yeah. Yeah.

Keep it.

Like, that is going to be the most treacherous person you're going to meet.

Is that. Unless it's a white woman that your job was crying. Go ahead. Go ahead. That is really real.

You feel, I do. You seem like you had more to say on that. No, that's all. No, that's all white women crying. You know, please, I, I, I, I, you've told me a bit about these situations.

Sure. Yeah. I got to say.

“Why women cry at work and say that black women were being mean to them?”

Or, or they just cry. Like, there's nothing like, I mean, I've had people cry in my, and for, well, yeah, I've had people crying my office, but they're crying in my office. But it was me. Yeah.

It was Michael. Michael was crying in my office. Because he put, what did you do? Oh, that's. I got a migraine.

You look bad migraine. But what did you do? So we went to Alyssa. That's right. Right.

And I was like, Alyssa, what do I take for migraines?

Because she's a migraine. She has a migraine. Yeah. And she was like, oh, and she opens up her purse. And she gave Michael four, no, four, like, bottles of nail polish, tumble out, along

with like a couple of things of like CBD, right? Of like, topical. Right. And she's like, so you put them here, here and here, they were highly ventilated. Yes.

So I put it on and then I rubbed my eyes. And now he's crying in my office on the floor, and I'm looking and laying on the floor. And I'm like, what an end record says, help me. So this is what I did. This is what I did.

And let me tell you how I knew what to do. But I'd bring over my garbage pale, and I opened up out of water. And now I'm water boarding my mouth. And I could not see much because I had a migraine. And now I have oil in my eyes.

Now he's blind. But I do have a visual of Melissa looking at me. And I do feel like I'm one point in your world your eyes like, I'm going to have to

doosh this man's eyeball.

Like, I can't believe I'm doing this in at work.

“But you have to ask me, Melissa, why do you know?”

Why do you know? Well, how to have me come to my mouth? And everybody in my family knows this story, where my brother was about five years old. My brother crazy glued his eyes shut. No, wait, this was a plot point on season two of the pit.

This happened. Did it episode one? Yeah. Really? And his girlfriend, my brother crazy glued his eyes shut.

And my mother, my father was at work. And my mother at the time was in graduate school. And she was doing like her last and my brother comes out. And he's crying with one eye shut. It's like this.

And his tears are gone. And I was getting bigger. And then my mom looked at him and looked at me and she said to me, Melissa, fix you about what? That's her brother.

So I pose glued. So I had to take my brother. So my brother was like five. So I must have been like 16 years old. Oh my God.

They remember the end of the bathroom. And I probably squalled with this shit out of him. Because now I've got his eye under hot water. And I'm putting Vaseline on it. I took a paper clip to like pick off.

But you know what? He's fine. He's fine. He can see again. He can see again.

That was like that's like full triage. This is actually nurse jacket. Like this is. I remember it. I remember once just talking to a therapist and telling a therapist.

But I wasn't talking about this because I was fine. Right. But he was like Melissa, that sounds very traumatizing. And I'm like, is this like, this is like your story from last week?

You were under reacting to life, babe. And her jury story last week, you were like, yeah, so yeah, anyway, the mob stuffed this guy in a trunk and dragged him across the line. It was his random guy who stuck this poor man in the trunk of

his car and drove him across was he okay. What happened? The man? Yeah. Yeah, he was okay.

He's not following. Fuck that. Yeah. He was okay. Let that guy off.

He didn't come in. No, no, no, no. He knew what was boring was the process, right? It was lengthy and nobody was like, I have Jack. They was none of that.

It was just like, oh, they were like, what was he wearing when he stuffed you in the trunk of the car? And you were like, God, this is getting me the fuck. So I'm boring. No, I know.

Okay.

“Anyway, that's how I knew how to save Michael's eye.”

So if you have an eye problem, I'm here, girl. I think you have a chief of ophthalmology, a brief recess that I hearts do, you know, moments of malprage. Yes. Anyway.

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This is under oath. We're going to do a deep dive.

We've got an incredible guest.

On today's show, we have Dr. Leslie Dobson. She's a forensic clinical psychologist. She's worked with individuals in maximum security, suffering from severe mental illnesses. She does forensic evaluations,

assesses sexual abuse allegations, and focuses on the validity of post-entry emotional, cognitive, and behavioral functioning. Thank you for joining us, Dr. Dobson. I thought it would be great to have you on the show today

to talk a bit about the Epstein files and what we've sort of seen happening with the case in America. I know that you have done a few of these interviews sort of talking about Is Epstein alive. What's happening with this autopsy?

I would love to just sort of get into it with you. Melissa and I talk about this a lot.

especially as everyone is learning more and more about these files,

as we sort of dig into the actual documents. - Yeah, I mean, my opinion would be,

“I think I would even testify to this, that I opined the fact”

that he is still alive. - Yeah, yeah. And I think what's so interesting, right? There are a lot of people in the internet who are saying that. But I think you're one of the few people who is drawing upon what I know

from cross-examining and examining doctors and forensic texts in court, you're really relying heavily upon your expertise. In your area of practice. So I thought it would be cool if we could sort of go through it a bit today and talk about whether or not this report

from his hanging ruled suicide, what brings true to you? Where you see the holes and errors in this case?

- I can draw upon a little bit of his attempted suicide

a few months prior as well. - Okay, great. - You know, let's get into it. - We have to like pick apart the trees, but we have to see the forest for the trees at the same time.

And I think holding that duality is difficult for people

“and that's why there's so much controversy around all this.”

- And that's often times what we're doing in court, right? And a criminal trial, yes, we get the expert in on the really specific details. We're looking at the images, we're looking at the autopsy report, but we also have to look at the person.

We have to look at the corpus of the evidence. We have to look at their circumstances. We can't just look at one specific detail, right? So why don't we get started? Let's do this full trial style.

Let's credential you as an expert. Tell us about who you are and your profession. Let's get right into it. - Okay, a little voidier here. - Yes.

- Dr. Leslie Dobson, a real license. Psychologist, even though people on the internet don't believe it. - No, I have a-- - I don't believe I'm a lawyer either, so it's fine. - God forbid, we have personnel, they send you our jobs.

I got a bachelor's degree in psychology. I have two master's degrees, one arguably regrettable in Freudian dream interpretation, psychoanalysis, but I got to travel a little while to do it. - Wow.

- And then I have a doctorate in forensic psychology and a fellowship in high-risk sexual offenders. - Okay, so you're really on the expert in this space then. I mean, this is really someone who has studied and is credentialed as an expert in this field.

- Definitely, I've testified in over 50 trials. I've been to pose well over 60 times at this point. And I both criminally end civilly, but I worked for the government for a long time, which gave me access to the nasty fuckers of this world.

And then when there was a hit on my life, I decided to go into civil litigation and get out. - Oh, yeah, good for you. Yeah, to stay safe, it's really hard to be a badass expert and also not be alive.

So-- - Yeah, I can't get my gun in there. - Yeah, okay, so, so looking at the obscene files, looking at the death of Epstein, the official ruling was suicide by hanging. What is your first response to hearing that?

- It doesn't make sense. The bone breaking does not line up with typical hangings by suicide, the way that it looked on his neck, how it was angled, is not how it should have been. It should have been angled upward, looking at the grid

where he allegedly had hung himself. I've responded to hangings. And in state hospital systems, you don't take the person down. You do not immediately try to save them because they may be trying to kill you.

It could be a trick.

So you always wait for a second person to arrive

before you save their life. It's really fucked up, I know, but your safety is more important than theirs. - Interesting, and so that's protocol. - Oh, it's protocol.

You do not singularly break up a fight. You do not singularly do anything that has potential risk of violence to you. - And you would say that that's kind of like an industry standard, that everyone is on the same page about that.

- Yes, I mean, that's the Department of State Hospital training. - Okay, wow, that's incredible. - Yeah, that's really interesting, actually. So if you are an employee at a prison or something and you walk into a cell and you see the person,

and as far as you can tell, the person is still alive because there's movement, you are not permitted to cut that person down.

“You have to wait for your partner to come.”

So by the time that person comes, - Right, that person might actually be dead. - Right, interesting.

and I get the cut scissors and I pull my alarm and the alarms are going off and I go in and cut him down,

“what if he wraps his legs around my neck and breaks my neck?”

There's violence every single day. - Sure, yeah, good, that's right.

It could be a trick while that's amazing.

It didn't really think of that, but... - Sad, we have to live in the defensive way, but they brutalize us as employees in the State Hospital system every single day. - Wow.

- So in this scenario, what happened? The guard did cut him down, the guard took him down. - Right, and it was high enough up that you would have seen a line, right? It would have had an upward trajectory

when you self-asphyxiate, you're gonna be forward-facing and that's how it was described and then the rope would be up behind him or the tear torn towel. - Now, the first time he tried it, it wasn't successful.

I haven't seen pictures of the first time, but it was a similar description. And then the second time somebody would have come in, there would have been two people coming in, oddly the camera's glitched the first suicide attempt

and the second, that's so strange, right? And so you would cut the rope and then you would immediately start CPR. - So what happened in this situation then,

“with Jeffrey Epstein, did they do all any of those protocols?”

- From what I read, they cut him down and he had already died, I don't know if they, I hadn't read anything about CPR and there was no alteration to his ribcage or his muscles where you would, you know, you could usually break some ribs.

You messed stuff up, you'd have some significant bruising with real CPR. - And before he allegedly committed suicide, there were issues with his body that were not present in the autopsy report, right?

- Yeah, he had small testies, hmm. - And kidding, the big body had small testies? Okay. (laughing) So Michael, control yourself.

- She said the big body. - Right, so, but do you think that, because I'll tell you, when I had heard that Epstein had died, I had died by suicide. My first inclination was he didn't die by suicide,

somebody killed him. That is, that is, that was as opposed to me believing that he wasn't dead, that the whole thing was a hoax. I was like, he didn't kill himself, somebody killed him. So, but you're telling us that your belief

is that he is not dead at all. - Yes, and not only from ripping apart the autopsy, talking to morticians, you know, one of the doctors who's been doing this for 50 years and said how bizarre this is, okay,

that could lend to murder, sure. But now we're looking at this massive Epstein network and international network, pulling in the KGB and Israel and Norwegian assets. You don't think this guy had the power to know,

he was going to go to jail and then get out. I mean, the prison guard got five grand before they even knew he was going there.

He is a state one, the $80 million power ball,

a week after he went into prison. It's just too much information to say that he didn't have his where-with-all, just couldn't have a prison. - Melissa and I are looking at each other,

like, this is unbelievable. - Yeah. - You know, I was saying this to Michael earlier. You know, I listened to an interview

“that you gave recently and I think the thing about it”

is that we don't want to believe that any of this is true. Do you know what I'm saying in the sense of like, you know, listening to this idea that Epstein and his cronies, they were cannibalizing people, right? It's just, it's one of those things

that you want to believe is so far fetched that it couldn't possibly be true. Same thing with this idea that you know,

he was so powerful that he knew all the right people

and all the right places to like smuggle him out somehow. It sounds like something that is made up. It sounds like something that you've seen on the big screen, right? Because we've seen movies where somebody's going to do like a prison break and they fake their debt

and they cart the body out in the coffin of someone else. You know what I mean? We've seen those stories before, but this idea that this is something similar ish happened here. It feels so unbelievable that you want to believe

that it's not true. Does that make sense? - Yeah. - I do and I think it's, you know, it's hyper-normalization. I think the dump of the data

was purposeful and the amounts were purposeful. There are images that have been taken offline that were there. So I think they wanted to quickly shut everyone up and then bomb a ran and hope it went away.

And, you know, I do believe that we distract in politics. - And it's true, it's too convenient, right?

or about images or a really damning email,

suddenly it's taken down off of the website. - And then there's some other calamity elsewhere that happens to sort of, you know, they're trying to bait and switch us, right? Like, oh, look at this other shiny thing.

- Yes. - Don't focus on this thing. - Right, it makes too much sense often, right?

“And I think that I know that recently they are,”

there have been some subpoenas that have gone out for people to testify for guards that were there the night of this alleged suicide. Can you speak to that a little bit? - Correct, so the House Oversight Committee has subpoenaed,

at least one of the guards who was there that night. And in particular, she has received payments from the abstinous date in amounts of $5,000.

- That is not that much money, right?

- It's not enough to cover up. - That is, it feels like that's not enough money for this person to risk all of this. - Right, $5,000. - You're dealing with really dangerous Oversight.

- You'll get $5,000, right? Like it just feels right. - Yeah, so then what was the money for? How many times did she get it? - Right.

- Are there multiple accounts? Do we know? She's a good person to question. - And $5,000 is usually at the amount that doesn't flag too much attention in bank statements.

Oftentimes in cases I've dealt with, it's usually you want it. People are keeping transfers on the smaller side because it doesn't trigger any sort of IRS scrutiny. - I thought it was under $10,000, like $9,000.

- People are trying to put it down on the lower scale. - I mean, $10,000 is the limit to go to Mexico, but-- - You're telling us how to do it. - Right, it's not the how to guys. So do we believe as far as this particular prison guard

that it was only a one time $5,000 payment and have they been able to explain why did she get that $5,000 in the fall? - She hasn't spoken to it, she hasn't explained. They haven't explained, but it's in his financial records

that were exposed and Congress plans to ask about it. - Okay. - And then he also purchased two ambulances shortly before and then there's another prison guard who sent an email that's in the files

and at that FBI referenced it. I think he used four-channer discord

“to state that they moved a body in at midnight, right?”

When the cameras got out. - Yeah, I saw about that. Yeah, and so, okay. So we have these little dribbly bits of evidence that are sort of like dropping in here and there.

What do you think happened? Like what is your hypothesis? - I would just assume he walked out with his trends. And they brought in another body. And that's why we have three doctors

who did the autopsy with varying information. And now he's had plastic surgery changed his face and living in Russia. - I mean, again, it just sounds like one of those things that you don't want to believe is true

because it sounds like something that you would see in him. - But then when you lay the evidence out, it does make a little too much sense, right?

- I mean, the extremely powerful person involved

with other really powerful people who is now in a relatively low security prison situation. I mean, yeah, it does kind of make sense. - I mean, when Charlie Sheen came into LA County jail, he was on a wonder one.

It's fucking Charlie Sheen. Like we could not take our eyes off him, right? You don't leave someone like Jeffrey Epstein alone for a second. You have a one-to-one eyes on, you are, you're writing on a little log all your 15-minute check-ins, you know,

you're documenting everything that wasn't happening. That's completely unimaginable. - And he was technically classified as someone who was supposed to be on suicide watch. - As he had just tried, I was gonna say,

what's he on suicide watch before the previous attempt or once that attempt, it was after that. It was after that, after that, okay. Last month's prior, you know, we could say, you know, he had a little practice, he got better at it

and succeeded, but it doesn't look like an actual suicide to the doctors who for 50 years haven't been investigating hangings and dead bodies. - There's been a lot of talk in the Epstein files about cannibalism and people eating people.

And I know that you've worked on cases that involve cannibalism in the past. - Could you talk a little bit about those cases and sort of your experience and how that applies here? - Sure, I kind of patience, all of,

they've all had mental illness, severe mental illness from schizophrenia ranging to,

“if you want to say psychopathy is a mental illness,”

we would call that, we would say they had anti-social personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder

they would rank high and then that's how it would determine it.

Because it's not a diagnosis. But between both of those individuals, I have come across many in the state hospital system in jails and prisons and especially at coaling a state hospital, that's where we hold this actually violent predators

in California who have eaten people for a variety of reasons.

“I mean, I think, so there's kind of three categories”

of cannibalism. It would be the survival, you know, airplane crash, we got to eat people to survive. - Right, that yellow jacket. - Right, right, right, that freaked me out more

than meeting them in real life. But that and then we have the ritualistic satanic ritualistic leave. - And we see that a lot in pop culture. We see that on TV, we see that in movies, right? - Right, and then, you know, what is cannibalism?

Is drinking blood under that category? We don't really have the currilled definition for what it is. Is it if you cook it doesn't isn't just a count, but then you have the more Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, if you Person doesn't count. Yeah, of course

Why don't we better say why that's a question There's the lower should have asked that sorry to start just for everyone watching if you yes, a counts I'm like very stuck on this. I can't believe that that's a question That's not question get them in the studio Ask me questions all the time. You know what I cooked it at don't count

It's a you know, it just again. It just sounds so wild Right that people are asking questions like that It's easier to be like y'all are crazy. Yeah, just credit the person giving you the information because the information is so Right, but it's one of these things that like I mean that's happened to our

History, right we've always had people discrediting and saying that you're crazy for saying that and then 50 years later

Everyone's like oh, yeah, they were right right in prison, Galileo And I fully grasp that there are targeted smear campaigns and Hillary Clinton and Pete's a gay You know, nobody kind of believed it and maybe they used that you know as a political attack, but there's also very real Elite individuals and satanic rituals that drink blood and kill children on purpose and eat part of their body

That's like a very real thing happening in America. Well, largely in other countries

“I mean, I think we'd hear about it so much in the obscene files”

But the for thousands of years they've been doing this in these rituals and these you know, pride it clubs you could say This is too crazy. This is like crazy, but I just I'm wondering what is What is the purpose right like why why is this the thing right you're you have this very elite group of people There's this club and

You know, and I always wonder

Like where is someone in life where they decide that that's the thing that I'm going to do to get you to join my club and then the other person is like Yeah, that's a good idea. I'm going to I'm going to do that whatever happened to annual dues You know, like whatever happened to ever should see yeah, whatever happened to typing Well, but no, but seriously, I am curious like what is what is the purpose of I mean, I think

Let's say that I choose to accept this notion of a ritual, okay? I mean disagree, but I accept that that's what it is, but this idea of belonging to a Like this elite club or this elite group of people what is

“Based on what you know, what is the reasoning behind this? Why would somebody think that that's what you need to do?”

I think with the obscene case and it's this is different Then a lot of the cannibals that I've met But with the obscene case use and in life longevity were a big thing, right? He was trying to make the perfect baby You know a dream of all this designer babies were the designer babies, right?

But I think so you've got the longevity, but then I think you have to really think about the spirituality and the ritualistic nature of People and that Human sacrifice has been a thing throughout the history of humans and when you reach that That group or that level it not sacrificial moment is going to Furt bring you to that next level of religiosity in my mind delusion

But but they believe it and so as you're sort of looking at the

Everything that happened in the prison where he was being held and now this autopsy report

“What really stands out to you is there anything else in that autopsy report where you're like this is totally”

Something that people need to be talking about that they're not picking up on His prostate was there in the body but in the files they said his prostate was removed They said his your rethrow was On one side of the tip of his penis oddly placed as penis was egg-shaped that wasn't noted in the autopsy of the body that they Determined with his there are tattoos and people are using he had stick on fake tattoos

He did he also had real tattoos that weren't noted in the autopsy

And then we have the more conspiracy not that we're already in it but

Of his nose changing his eye shape changing his lips his ears and I mean people have gone To town comparing his earlobes. I don't know how if your ears change when you die, but there's a photo of him

“After his death where it almost looks like he's smirked it looks like a fake photo of him in the cell”

There's a lot of yeah There's definitely a eye like you know, and then we've got pump on beach Pete who's getting a lot of attention lately It looks just like Yeah, there's this guy in pump beach who's been driving around in a convertible and he looks exactly like Jeffrey And everyone sees him and is freaking out. It looks just like him

Wow, our producer just showed it's wow. Okay. Well He's using it to his benefit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so where do you see all this heading? Right like we've got so many We have more questions than answers when it comes to the files Will there be some sort of accountability in this case because it's so clear this administration wants this Shutdown they don't want to talk about it. They want everyone to move on and every time they do that

Everyone just starts looking at it closer right give it more attention. Yeah, and then I think also asking why in other countries People are going to jail. They are losing jobs. You know, right what's his name got unprinceed or whatever you call it? Yeah, yeah, so it's moving from right. So so there are people who are Feeling the repercussions of just having known this man whereas in this country Nothing it feels like nothing is happening. I think there's actually a lot more happening than people know about

I mean the UK is now demanding unredacted files so that they can investigate Inmate Andrew So that will move forward. Let's see if they get it the files. Let's see if they get pushed back But other countries may need to help us out in that regard and start trying to obtain the information themselves

“But I think you know and tell me if I'm wrong because I'm not the lawyer but I think the key is is building a rico”

You know, I think we've got to start from the bottom up. We have doctors who have a lot of information that are still practicing it in Ohio UCLA Princeton Stanford. We have dentists. We have ground keepers. We have chef Columbia University Medical Center there was someone who was affiliated with Epstein and the woman that he abused and she was a doctor who would treat the women right? I mean this has been a long standing intricate network of professionals business people who are all a part of the

network. It's not just one person. It's not just him and just glange. So if you I think it was stupid to depose the Clintons. Well, I don't think they intended to depose the Clintons. I think they said "Oh, we're going to depose them thinking that they were going to say no." And then Hillary Clinton snapped off for press on nails to cover her earrings. That's a host storm. Grabbed a host storm to write into fuck. Yeah, and she knocked up the villain was like listen. Yeah, she said buckle up but are come like I don't

think people thought that they were going to testify. Did you? Did you listen to it? I did and right after

they agreed to test her. We've got a clip of Trump being like, "Oh, you know, I always liked

and respected Bill. I thought he was something." It's like right after he was like, "You better, you better testify." And then they asked him after Bill said yes. He was like, "You know, he's always been such a nice guy to me." He's a strong president. He, I mean Hillary, she showed that she was a rock star telling them that they were all idiots and how to lawyer, you know, you want to set up a pattern, you want to corner me. Let me help you out. He's the right

bitch, yeah. Right, but then Bill, I mean, I'd really pointless until the moment he saw the pictures. And then the admiration for those pictures told the world, he's been on that island and he had some orgasms. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a little bit too excited to do a walk down memory lane on the other

was sitting next to him. And at one point, she grabbed the pictures. I was like, no, no, no,

like, but it was more like, give this to me. You know what I mean? It was, it was more like that. It was more like you stupidity. You got to keep this guys. You got to keep this photo away from him. He gets too much. He gets too much. Yeah. I wonder with the work that you do, it's, you know, it's a very heavy emotional lift. How do you take care of yourself? Because I feel like, so one of the things I'll say is that I have at one point or another started and stopped to look at

the Epstein files that I see online. And it is overwhelming. It is overwhelming for me.

And similarly, I was listening to this interview that you gave. And again, I had to stop.

I picked it up again, but I had to stop because it's overwhelming. And I just wonder, you are doing this work that's really hard. Yeah. Necessary work because somebody needs to tell us what's happening. How do you take care of yourself? How do you have the appetite for this? I eat a lot of beef jerky.

“No, my husband's a psychologist. I do Pilates. I love Pilates. I think it's better than meditation.”

Having to hold yourself in the air and not die is phenomenal to get out of your head. But I've had great mentors. And I've had great training. And I've learned over time to leave work

where work should lay. And I have active cases now. I have two reports that are going to trial

and I have to finish them this week. So I have my own distractions. Even though they're still dark, they're still at the rape cases. They're difficult cases. But we win. I win all the time. I win settlements for people. I bring justice to victims. I close schools. I take money from the Catholic Church. I close diocese. I put people behind bars. And every moment of that erases the trauma I endured to get there. And every child I save, I just did a hay, international case,

a child abduction case. So now I'm working all around the world. And 99% of those cases fail. The kids get sent back to the violent parent. I won. We won. I got hurt. Well enough. I tested every one psychologically. Well enough to explain. And that to me, those wins make it worth it. Sure. No, it's just, you know, I just can't imagine it. And I don't know. I feel like I want to say thank you because it just feels like really, really difficult constantly like uphill work.

“Yeah. Do you get a lot of pushback on the internet for your videos or from other experts even?”

Because I'm not. Oh yeah. Not from other experts. I'm independent journalist. Do like to rate hit pieces on me. And like the wool street journal, things like that. But other experts were in line with how we view this. And we support each other. But I get a lot of death threats and those aren't from the experts. Those are just from people. So, you know, I have a dog sent from Serbia who speaks German. I can seal and carry. You know, I have people that watch me. So

yeah. I have to take protection. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So in your opinion, as you're sort of looking at the overall obscene situation. And I just want to ask like in a new sense that you have a lot of experience with these types of system-atized abduction of children. What are you seeing here in this case, right? As an expert in this area of practice, like what are you really seeing as you observe the obscene situation from the outside? I'm seeing the world drastically trying to normalize

the age of consent to minimize pedophilia and to minimize the severity of child trafficking across the world. And you know, a lot of people hate on Tim Tibo. I don't know much about him, but his organization has done a phenomenal job, a really pointing out trafficking. And the dangers of it, they put money behind it. The statistics are really solid. You know, if you were to Google it, you might see 100,000 kids missing in America a year. I'd say it's well over 300,000. Where the

“fuck are they all going? Yeah. You know, I've had people sell their children. I mean, that's how”

a lot got to Epstein. They sold their child for the day. A lot with the hope of becoming someone becoming famous, you know, why people went to the playboy mansion and then got trafficked. But a lot of parents, you know, the the most likely person to traffic a child is the biological father.

to see, we also have to understand what this term trafficking means. Right. A lot of people think

it's some sort of like the transport disappeared somehow. Right. Yeah. Which is sometimes the case. Sure. And these these girls had babies. We don't know where the babies went. But a lot of the survivors who still have not been interviewed by Pam Bondi or the DOJ have a lot to say and they all have opened investigations. And that's, you know, that's the movement we're not seeing. That's movement we can't see because they are actively going through these cases.

Two things I want to ask you. So have you had an opportunity to speak to Epstein victims and to hear what they say and to document what what they say? As many many. Okay. And what happens with that

“information? Do you are you just holding on to it? Or is there a plan? Because I think that's one of”

the things that I think about quite a bit. And I've talked about this with some friends. But like

I feel like we're not hearing enough from victims. And is that because they want to protect themselves? Oh, are they being stifled? They're terrified of being sued for billions of dollars because we're talking about billionaires coming together with billionaires. And also they have open investigations going on. And so they can't tamper with the investigations. So when I do talk to them, I get limited information of course. It's not going to harm any of their cases. But I text a lot of

Congress and I've been able to get a lot of their cell phone numbers and I will just rage text that. I feel like a lot of people in the internet would like to rage text on. Do you get responses from

them at all? Is anybody responding to you? Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, I think out here in California,

“Robert Garcia has been incredible. I think Eric Swallwell's been incredible with this. You know,”

Eric Swallwell voted to have the Congressional what sexual harassment stuff exposed. When so many people voted against that? Yeah. That was a very strange to me. Like a ton of women voted against having congressional sexual harassment allegations exposed. I saw that. That was unbelievable. And then it was like one of those things where it's the next day, no one was talking about it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, they made it exactly. And this is sort of my sorry. My whole last question for you.

And I don't even know if you could really answer this question. But a few minutes ago, you said something about how, you know, we're trying to sort of normalize pedophilia and sort of have it sort of become more acceptable. Why do you think that we are this way? Because when I think about it, it immediately, I am repulsed. And I'm like, oh, that person belongs under the jail, like get rid of this person forever. Right. Why do you think that there is this tendency to either

go easy on these people? Because it seems like if there was something, we should all rally around is the protection of children, right? People who are innocent, you know, these are, I mean, their babies, their kids. Why do you think that we have such a hard time in throwing down the gauntlet and say absolutely not? Because you can only sell drugs once, but you can sell a child's body over and over again. So that's in an email in the files. Yeah. So it's money. It's money.

That's money. It's not you and I, right? We're not, I don't know if you guys are billionaires. I'm not sure. But, you know, I don't know giant corporations. I didn't start Victoria's secret. It's them. It's less waxener. Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you for coming on the show on that note. Yeah. It was really late harder. So you were coming on, um, do you have anything you want to plug anything you want to promote? I know you have a book out. You want to maybe mention that. Oh, it's kind of

“more like a pamphlet, but I did write a small book on setting boundaries for us. Maybe you should”

set boundaries with the obscene files. Yeah. Anything you want to plug and where can we find you on the internet? And the books called the friend cleanse. If anyone really does want to set boundaries with their, with their friends, toxic friends. Um, but on Instagram and TikTok if I'm not violated because of obscene. Um, and then my website, it's good to check my website. I'm going to be co-producing several television shows and, and hopefully getting my own show soon. Um, and so,

you know, just check back and see what's happening. Um, but also I encourage everyone to vote and you can go on my website and you can see where I have a link to, um, the Courage candidates and those are candidates that are running for Congress who have a fucking background. That's great. We love that. We love that. I would love to check that out. Thank you for calling that to our attention. All right. Well, thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Really,

this was really interesting. It's me, you. Nice to meet you. Leslie, thanks. Take care.

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“this is beyond bad people. I think we always think of the villain as like the guy with the ski mask”

holding the bag of money with the dollar prints printed on it to the burlaff bag. And this is like, oh, no, it's actually like the billionaires of America together in this network of like heat and this stick had a feel like, uh, like, uh, crazy cannibalistic cannibalistic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's also coverups. It's just like, not only are you being asked to believe, and I'm

people are so disgusting and awful that they would do something like that. Just the

pravity is to a that level institutionalized and the institutions are compromised as part of it. Right. Like these systems are run so deep that there are a part of that the prison system could

“be part of a coverup. Like that is just like so shocking and believe. And that's what we're being asked”

ever to people really digest that. So the the Epstein file drop, I think, uh, that was strategic, right? They released everything at once. So the public was overwhelmed. And then it would the news cycle. They'd be constantly competing with the new cycle. Yeah. That was crazy. I'm shook it. Yeah. I don't, I actually don't, I don't quite know how to feel. Do you know what I mean? I'm, I'm like disturbed, but I'll also like, again, and it's not that I don't believe her.

It's more like my mind is blown that these people walk among us, right? And these are people. And I had seen something somewhere where somebody was like, we should be looking really hard to anybody who's a billionaire because if you are a billionaire, there's something that you did, that is not on the up and up. And that's how you guys are. Now I don't know if I'm that to be true, but it would sort of correlate with what you're saying, right? Like these are these,

it's the people at the very, very top who have all this money and therefore have all this power and they're able to get away with doing these types of things. Right. It's like I think about this a lot in like a legal context when it comes to a class action lawsuit, and I get a check in the mail for $3 for specific horrific company did and I'm like, oh, this is just like a rounding error in their budget. Like justice for them was like a, was like a decimal point that they

misplaced on a spreadsheet somewhere. We imagine that billionaires in America got there because they were smart and talented and not crazy, right? That's actually I think we're learning not true. No, I don't I actually don't think that's true either, but I think for a lot of people they assume, oh, if you're a billionaire, you're really wealthy and successful. It's because you were smart enough to do it to get there. But I don't I think we're sort of cultures realizing that that is not

it all the case. That is not the case. That actually a lot of billionaires can be crazy and

“psychotic and not smart and actually really stupid. So I think that's what we're sort of rubbing”

up against here. This this tells from the dams we're going to answer all the kooky crazy

wild things you send me and my dams, I'm a list of dams. Friends, what I always say while Michael

is a lawyer, he's not your lawyer, so get your own. Yep, ready. Okay, I want to be this one because really funny. So these are reviews that people left. Um, these are reviews. Okay. And if you want to leave a review for us on YouTube or Apple podcasts, or Spotify, we will read some of your reviews because you guys are going to be really funny. Yeah, you guys are really funny and we appreciate it. I'm ready. So this is from the episode that we had with Yonna from America's next time,

right off. Yeah. And this is from Lori. Okay. Lori says, sorry, I hate to be that bitch, but it's barkeepers friend, which I'm not sure one would use on look was it. It's for metal, which would scratch the enamel coating. You know what Lori? I think she says sorry to be that bitch. I don't think she's sorry. I don't think she's sorry. And you know what? I am that bitch too. So I'm sisterhood, Lori. But Lori does redeem herself and says the following. Love Michael and Melissa's friends in real life

energy. They brighten my Thursdays. Thanks Lori. I will, and that is a good point though because

“it will scratch. I think there's metal and bar keeps friends. And that's like the exfoliant that”

you're using the get-ups. You don't want to use that. I get this as maybe I was also not calling it by the right name. You might have it. You was probably like barkeepers bestier or something. I don't know you're really calling it something. I probably was. Yeah, no. I correct people all the time too, though. So do I. It's something. If I have something in my teeth, Melissa will be like,

you always. I have to. Well, I was pounding that almond croissant earlier. Okay. And I had

powdered sugar all over me. All right. I would as I didn't. You didn't catch up with I caught it. Okay. And I knew. But I was like, if I didn't catch it. I had a little something on my head. If I was stuck in my stubble, I'm Melissa caught it before we started rolling. Yeah. That's my cell. Lori, we're right there with you, honey. Thanks Lori. Okay. This is a heated rivalry clip. When we were diagnosed in a deep dive, heated rivalry, this is from Jessica. Jessica just says a

one line. Scott absolutely bottoms once in the show. After Kip gives him the socks, which is not only took. I gave him socks and he immediately bottoms. But I will say, he doesn't bottom in the books. He does. So he's not first in the books. So that's when I was saying that the Old Testament and New Testament are different. Yeah. And it happens. It's okay.

even get socks. It's true. A lot of people are bottoming for nothing. I love this because it feeds right into Michael's vanity. So this is from every woman has a man in their past who made

them crazy. I stand by this. I, yes. Red Rose says this camera and lighting is so amazing.

Y'all look like AI. Oh, hell. Yeah. Thank you, Nick. Oh, my god. We did a full. He explained all the lighting shows before. Full deep dive. Because I, and I want to know, I want to know what it looks like. I went to Sephora. I said, give me the stuff for the camera. I don't want this stuff for every day. Every day. I'm seeing friends. Oh, and no makeup look. I want the makeup look. I don't want the no makeup look. But I also had to, today I had to stop my garnish. I'm like, you're going to look

a little too dusty. Dusty. Dusty. We don't want that. Yeah, little corpsey. A little like a corpse. We don't. Of course, not the true blood. No. Um, okay. And then one more. This is from

Madam Lexi. These sort of fun. Enjoying the show. Love their new yorkiness. If you know you know,

“it's true. It's true. My dad's even more New Yorkie than I am. Really? Yeah. When? When?”

Dad grew up. Long Island. Long Island. Long Island. Long Island. And when I talk to him, sometimes I'm like, oh, my god. Like, I, it's, it's not like coming out of me. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Um, keep it up. Deva. Keep it up. Deva. Deva. Oh, this one's subject. I'm Deva. Michael and Melissa are so good together. It's so funny. Deva is my new vocal stem. That is, I, I want to make a ringtone, but I don't know how to do it. Of the Deva ringtone.

And then let's hear it's going to go off in court. We'll make sure it doesn't Michael.

You know me. And you know I'm not going to make sure I'm going to, I'm going to forget to

do that. Really? My mom went off during this show of courting. And when I was out in LA, it was her ringtone. It's just a normal apple one. I feel like I can make it though. We couldn't. You could probably do that. We'll get the head of tech in here. I have a ringtone. I have like a ringtone for everybody. You do? Yeah. Yours is just regular mine. Yours is the my, my ringtone for everybody for the gen pop is for your mom. A doorbell. Oh,

they don't. She's here. Yeah. My brothers is there was this song a long time ago called Yo Little Brother. Okay. So it's that for him. All right. Andre's is, um, it sounds like a computer like a robot. Yeah, because he's a robot. Yeah. He's speaking of AI. No, it's true. My, he is. Yeah.

“No, I got it. Um, so we talked about the needle squished. She is last week. Did you get it?”

So I went back to the store. Well, I saw that sign. And before I could even get inside, I look down. There's a red dot laser pointed directly at my chest. I'm not kidding. Okay. And I look up about six hundred meters away. There she is. The owner of the store sniped me. On the door, I'm this is serious. This part's there is now on the door. There's a sign that says, "If you want a needle, don't come in here. Get lost. Get bent."

And it said, it said no more needles. And the FedEx delivery that I kept, she kept telling me, come back for the FedEx delivery. It said missing. The FedEx delivery is missing. So I think one of these little rascally youths stole the needle packet. Probably. And it's just wild in selling needles. Like, market needles. I did a pop in the trunk. I mean, I got needles for you. You look at it.

“It was a good one. I don't have to really go with that. No, do you want it? I think that's what's”

you got? Are they all clear? No, they're different colors. Because she had one sample one and she held it up like the hope diamond. You know how they do about an auction. It was kind of like that. She had our handlers. She had our handlers now. She's holding it up. Really? And so I sent the photo to my niece who cannot be satiated. There is no. No, there's a couple. And 11 year-old isn't going to under. She's like, I don't care. I find it. I love her. She's like, get in there. Sue. Like,

what are you going to do to get that? Then when Michael and Brad were, this looked my favorite Madeline story. When Michael and Brad were getting married, they were a little bit late. And I was talking to Madeline. And we were late to the ceremony. Yeah, they were late to the ceremony. And it was, there was a whole drama because I left Brad suit in the city. Right. And it was a destination wedding. So he did not, about 30 minutes before we've got 200 people assembled.

We realized we don't have his suit. Right. We have like jeans and a t-shirt. And I'm dressed like this. Right. So it really was like a rags to riches story that we were not end up getting. We put him

called ahead of time. And I spoke to the woman. And this woman with such excitement, she'd been waiting

her whole life to receive the call at emergency gay wedding. She was ready. Yes, she was. Yes,

“she was. She seriously, I think there was like a button on the desk that she hit. And like the”

wall behind her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like there were racks of clothing and she's like what's size? And she had them hemmed and ready to go by the time he got there. It was ready. Yeah. And he was at the ceremony two minutes late. Right. But according to Madlin, I was like Madlin. Where are the inch of like, I don't think they're coming? She was like four or five years old. I was going around. She was going around telling people we weren't coming to our own wedding. They're not coming.

But like, but like, like, I need some people to understand, like, she was his little bitty thing

glasses and like so cute, but also like her, like, she's like, I really like, like, so like standing steadfast in her conviction, they were not coming to the wedding. I don't think they're going to make. And then I asked her to spin and she did. She's like, this is my part

“actually. I was like, they're going to spin for me. But they're not coming. All right. So someone”

messaged me directly on the internet asking me about her, who is that that's so weird. Like, I was grinding or something. It wasn't. It was your internet. I just want to keep them anonymous. They said, hey, Deva, I would like to donate. We're man anonymous. Okay. For keeping, think if we're not sending me your social security number, like some people. Do you have any information about EAD renewals? So an EAD is an employment authorization document that immigrants use

so they can work. Right. For TPS holders who are from El Salvador, so TPS temporary protected status,

it's basically like a ruling that USCIS customs says, hey, if you're from this country, you get sort

of like temporary status. We're not going to deport you right away. Right. So this person has TPS from El Salvador and they have an EAD renewal. The TPS is still valid until September, but the EAD

“expired March 9. So they're trying to figure out what to do when TPS is still ongoing, but the”

EAD expired. So if that's the case, you can reapply for a new EAD. But I do think you might have mixed up this question because from my understanding, TPS for El Salvador is still an effect until September 9. Okay. This year, 2026. So if your EAD has expired, you can apply for an EAD renewal now because TPS is still technically an effect for El Salvador. So that's the answer. So you're not should out of luck, like you thought you were. That is actually something that you can fix. And they wanted to say

thank you for what you'll Melissa do. You're such a breath of fresh air. Keep in return. Try and times keep grooving. Thank you. That's very sweet. You're often grooving. I do the best that I can. Yeah, but I don't don't groove too hard because then you've got to go to the carer proctor. All right, this is Briefree says thank you for joining us. I'll see you in court. Bye. This has been an exactly right production recorded at IHeart Studios posted by me, Michael Foot.

And me, Melissa Malbranch, our producer is CJ Faroni. This episode was edited by Nicholas Galucci. Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain and our guest booker is Patrick Cotner. Our theme song was composed by Tom Briefogel with artwork from Charlotte Delereo and Vanessa Leilac with photography by Brad Obono. Briefree says is executive produced by Karen Kilgarif, Georgia Hardstock and Danielle Cramer. You can find me on Instagram at department

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