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The first time that we both got high.

The latest stage shooting from Trump's unhinged 60-minute interview. He did not fall. We predict cashpentels downfall. We got a full WG board out for that one. We share why we lie to our doctors.

Actually, no, we don't. And I'm going to keep doing it. And then we're going to interview Emily Galvan Elmanza about the criminal justice system. And I'm going to answer all your burning questions from the DM. So stick around.

But I'm suppose I'm getting used to double-breasted. How to button it. And unbutton. Is it difficult? No, it's not difficult.

It's just different. I do a lot of self-unconscious. What is it? Yeah, unconscious unbuttoning. When I'm standing and sitting, I'm used to it being here.

But it's over here now. And I have to adjust. It's like a thing. It's like how your glasses are on your head. And not your face, you like, get used to that.

You have a good rest of the week? No. No. Really? What led you to believe I would have a good week?

I mean, I don't know. It was your birthday week. It was our birthday. Oh, yeah, that's right. It was our birthday week.

How was yours? Good. I spent a good portion of the day by myself, which is what I like. I love being alone. So do I.

I had a really good day. I had a massage, a facial, a manicure, and a pedicure, all of which alone. And then I had a lovely dinner with my husband.

“When you do it all at once like that, are you like a queen?”

Or there's like a person working on each touch see? No, you know what? Because all the people that I like are not in the same place. Yeah. There is a little bit of me huffing it from one place to another.

Oh, yeah. It's like that though, because sometimes like the good facial, we go to Roena. I don't want Roena doing anything other than my facial. Well, not just that, but Roena is where she is. She's a specialist.

Right. And my massage therapist, Barrel, shout out to Barrel is where she is. And the manicure pedicure places where they are, and they're not together. I got a massage. It was definitely like underground, illegal, unliced.

Was it good though? It was so good. Yeah. I don't know the name. How will you go back?

I probably won't. It was like Brigadine. We're like every 50 years. The town appears. Brigadine.

It's like Brigadine.

And I'll never be able to find the massage again.

I'm sure that man's not there anymore. It was just incredible.

“And you know, there's actually, I think it's even better because I know I'll never have it again.”

You know what I mean? I, I, I wish that I could get a massage every week. I can't. But I wish that I could. I have like weird, good like neck things.

I like go through faces like once I got one, I'm like, that was incredible. I should be doing that more.

No. I will never forget.

I will never forget about.

These are life's, life's shitty. Michael, everything is fucked up. I have gotten used to it. Everything is terrible. What do my mom say about the church that time?

Oh, when Notre Dame was burning, I call. I was with Melissa when we found out Notre Dame was on fire. And we called Melissa's mother to go, like, everything is burning. And nothing's happening. Sorry, can you give us a more dramatic, more dramatic, more dramatic, more dramatic.

This is sidebar. This is all the weird wild things going on in our lives and our personal lives. I spent a lot of time with my family this weekend. My cousin Valerie is having a baby. And we went to her baby shower.

And I spent a lot of time with my mom and my uncle, like, so her brother. Yeah. Most of the time I was just, like, looking at them like this. And just, like, laughing. Because they're, like, clicking, clock the top of brothers.

Absolutely. And they're, like, so they're so clearly brother and sister. Yeah. That's me and my sister. That it's so funny to me.

I always say if I had her, she'd pull it. Like, we're just, we're just, like, a hair pulling brother and sister in the back. See, oh, yeah. Did you guys fight a lot? Oh, my God.

Yeah. What's the age difference? Two years. Yeah. See, my brother and I didn't fight it all because he was a babe.

Yeah. We were 11 years apart. Yeah. We were weird. Oh, wait.

Do you know what you're slamming? Yeah. That would, that would have been weird. What's wrong with you? Why are you fighting with the toddler?

You're in front of this. You're so curled. I love you. I love you. I love you.

11 years. You're gonna be like nothing. Yeah. He was, like, my pet. I just kind of took him everywhere.

That's so cute though. Yeah.

“I remember my sister got me high when I was like 15.”

We were driving around with her. I don't understand these stories. These are sometimes used say things to me that are so unrelatable. They're so unrelatable. I don't like this.

Oh, when I was 15, I got a hat. You've waited for drugs from. Where are the drugs? My sister's boyfriend. He was a Jehovah witness.

And he was. And he got me high. He also kissed me once. Oh, this is Blake friends. Yeah.

And so we got into fight over him. But she got me really high in the back seat. And it's one of these things where like,

a lot of people the first porn they ever see is like the weirdest porn they'll ever see.

It's like the first time I got high. It was like the weirdest situation. Just wait. The first porn. Most people the first porn that they've ever seen is the weirdest porn.

Usually I have a theory. Like if someone was like, hey, this is the first porn. I thought it's usually like the weirdest shit. And then the rest of your life you see like relatively normal porn. But anyway, I think this.

I know, I put that out there. I said theory. I'd be at to prove it. This is a hypothesis. This is what science is about, right?

And so we put up the hypothesis. So is it like a theory like my hug theory? Yeah. It's like your three kinds of hugs. It's like that.

That is mine. And I will say I want to extend it to the first time you smoked pot. I feel like every other time after that properly was a more normal situation than what you experienced the first time. How old were you the first time you smoked pot?

It was in the back side of that car with the guy.

“Do you want to know how old I was the first time I tried pot?”

Yes. Yes. Yes. Just guess. I don't know.

No. 20. 21. 19. 30.

40. 34. Melissa. I've made me. Oh, my God.

I was a grown man. That is a Mormon shit. That is some. No. It is because it is not because I was afraid.

Or I thought anything was bad. I was simply not interested. Do you know what I'm saying? I thought you're going to say shelter like you weren't like. But you were out in these streets.

I was out in these streets doing stuff. But I was so uninterested. I was like, why would you do that? Can I tell you why? When there's food.

Can I tell you what you did when he smoked pot with me? This is the firm 15. You're 15. You're 25.

“I think you must have been like a couple years older than me in high school.”

Oh, okay. And he took the joint. Uh huh. And after it was all the way down to like a little. A little nub.

A little nub. Uh huh. And it was just like a rolled paper joint. He went sucked on it really hard. It's still lit.

Inhale didn't swallow it. The thing? The roach. Read it. Eat it.

Sucked on it. So hard. These are experiences that I cannot. And I, and I didn't, and it was the, for me, I was like, that is the weirdest thing I've ever seen. And it's still the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

Did it make you feel like you should be doing that? Oh, well, you like, no, this is. I was like, that can't be part of it. Oh, okay.

There's no way that it's always supposed to go.

Is that the thing? I can't beat the thing. I think that's how you're supposed to do that. That's how this goes. That's how it ended.

Let me do this goes. This is your algorithm is showing these are all the weird wild things happening in our feeds on all of social media.

Got you ready to cover it? There's another stage shooting. Another fake attempted assassination of the president. So I figured we'd cover it. We actually just copy and paste it from the last two times.

We covered the fake shooting. Yeah. Nothing interesting here. Yeah, but it was at the White House correspondence. And it's the first time he's attended it.

So, put it put your pen down. Put the pen. Pen stem. Pencil stem itself.

“I think when I first used to tell me what you had you felt.”

But when I heard that he was going to do this the dinner. I was just like, that's weird because he eats these people. He hates these people. He hates these dinners. He hates these dinners.

And I think the one time that he did go, he got me. He got roasted because that's the point of the thing, right? Obviously, we all know about your credentials and breadth of experience. And he got really pissed off. Really mad.

Really upset. He got butt hurt over it.

And decided that he was never going to do this again.

Yeah. And then I was just like, why is he doing this now? Right? And I was thinking to myself, is it because his numbers are in the toilet? Yeah.

What is this? Because with this president, I feel like more than any other. It's never just to do the thing. There's a reason behind it. For 33% is his approval rating right now.

I mean, it's really bad. And all the independent are. Yeah. So I was like, this feels wrong. And then I don't know what I was doing.

So you called it. You've got some. I mean, I know. Got some Etsy witch. No, it's not.

No, it isn't. No, it isn't. It is just logical. Do you know what I'm saying? There's nothing special about this.

It's just like one inferential leap.

It was like a small critical thinking.

Michael, I get so I'm so annoyed. I'm so irritated that this whole thing.

“Because I just knew that something was going to happen.”

And not because I'm so intuitive. But because he's never been. Right. He's never gone. It's like, what is he after?

What is he really after? I see get to say something is they're going to be. Yeah, yeah. Show enough. [laughs]

Show enough. That's so enough. Show enough. Do you see the guy who kept eating? [laughs]

I didn't see it. There's a guy in that would have been me. And that would have been me. Just shoveling it. I'm sorry.

Chicken millenies. This is really good. Chicken pakata. Chicken pakata.

That's always chicken pakata.

Chicken french has it. Yeah. Chicken pakata with some chicken more solid. With the with the green beans with almonds on it. I'm in team.

I'm in team. It's still kind of a right. You just kept gobble and down. The journal was he kept eating. He was like, in a way.

No thing, but a chicken wing. I mean, the whole thing was so ridiculous. I mean, it was so serious. It was a photo malania like this. And Trump's like.

But my favorite thing. One of my favorite things of the whole thing is then picking up JD fans by the back of the jacket and dragging him out. Like, and they were dragging him out.

Like he's a known fighter. Like he was going to, like, let me out on what we have. We know about JD is that he's always at fist to cuff. Like this is like he's a, he's a WWE fighter.

He's going to La plancha someone with a folding chair. No, like he's, he's Jamie fans. We've got like a bloated face meme of him.

“Like that's what he's known for fucking a sofa and that meme.”

Like that's it. All he's done is blown out a lazy boy. And that one meme is not known for fighting. Why do you have to drag him out of there? Like he's like he's precious cargo.

Well, I mean, I think you got to drag him out of there because he has no survival instinct. Right? He has no survival instinct. And he would just be out there like a fish out of the water. Just playing around and not doing anything.

No survival instinct is procreating with furniture. He's not actually even trying to like start a legacy. And to do here, he's still, it's two days later. He's still in the stairwell where they left him. They haven't even gotten it.

They haven't even retrieved it. Just shaking. Yeah. They're still waiting. Someone's got to go get him.

Someone's going to-- But nobody wants to. They're all drawing straws. And nobody wants to do it. What?

Do you know you might be too young for this? But do you know who Benny Hill is? No. So Benny Hill was this pretty famous British comedian. He had a show called The Benny Hill Show.

And it's like known for being kind of body, slap sticky. But sometimes he would have the skits where he would speed up the tape, whatever. And there was this weird music.

That would go to-- Yeah. It was like, did it-- Did it do-- Right?

Somebody set-- I guess a skit service running around to that music. Really? [MUSIC PLAYING] What do you guys have ever fucking seen?

I'm going to find it. It's going to be fun. So, Benny, it's because it just feels like-- What do these guys do, Wayne? So, one video of a-- they were like,

And it's like, there's no way that was the fastest way out of there.

They had them like walking diagonally over a table.

“But is it to sort of like be a constant moving target so you can't get them?”

If I'm grabbing a baby-- Maybe, yeah. I'm grabbing in a wee little table of a table. Yeah. It's the cake top, or--

It's like-- So, it's-- Trumps-- Absolutely unins-- And it's more--

The next day-- The next day, I'm like, "Did they book the interview before the shooting?" Like, they knew it was-- And for Nora, just trying to do her job. And she's like, "Oh, why do I?"

She was just like, "Because when he goes, and he's like, "You're disgraceful." She's like-- So-- Okay, yes. Okay, so just for context, from people who haven't seen it,

he just said to me next day. With a 60-minute neural Donalds. Right? I'm so sorry. You know something?

That happened last year. Yeah, that happened last year. Yeah, that happened last year, too. It's-- I'm sorry.

And now you want to check your arms-- No, you-- You were so uncoof. I'm true.

“That's why I fixed me as some sort of comfortable.”

My fix is way better. Yeah, I know. You just spit on everyone. There's two golden rules that any man should live by.

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Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. So he does this into interview the next day. Which it's like again, it was so, they were so ready for everything. He's like camera ready. It's so obviously this has been planned out by like a PR crisis.

I mean, go ahead. If anyone has any doubts about how I feel about the situation,

And it's amazing that every single shooter in American history doesn't miss

except for the three times Trump's approval ratings during the toilet. That is like, I'm sorry, fool me once. Fool me twice. Yeah. That is a shame on if you think this is real.

I think it's a shame on you.

“I mean, I think again, I think a lot of people the minute that they heard about it.”

I was like, I call bullshit on this. I call bullshit. I'm sorry. Every single time. But again, like I said, when I heard that he was doing it, I was like, there's no way.

There's no way. I didn't even pause. We were watching movie. I didn't even pause it. I just like, I texted a text to the friend.

And I was like, another one. She was like, yeah. Okay. What do you call it? It was, yeah, has anyone seen the Spider-Man?

Yeah. I don't have the dark. I put a new lipstick. Like, that's again. That's like that.

What color? Red. I lean towards red. I enjoy a good red. Yeah.

Do you have like a preferred? Yeah, right now my favorite red happens to be the fetches. This is vicious. No. That's a good color.

That's a good color. I would wear that. Yeah. I want to do like a line of makeup and nail polish colors that have names. Like that.

Yeah.

“There was, um, I can't remember who it was.”

It was rapid dog bite. No, there was like a, like a rapturous. I can't remember what her name was. But she had, you know? No.

I don't know. But she had a line of makeup line and all the names of the products were like disgusting. Mom was like, vaginal discharge or something. It was like a dick. Yeah.

Um, anyway. So he had this sit down interview with Nora and just really tore into her. About how she's disgraceful. So it starts out, okay. Yeah.

Right? Where, and you know, just, and it's, and it is Trump being Trump. Sort of like going off and rambling and saying whatever. And, and she asked him some normal questions. Yeah.

It was like, were you afraid? Yeah. No, I was in the frayed. I wasn't afraid.

And she, she looked because the first lady.

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“And this is like so far beyond this interview, right?”

But if someone's not willing to engage with you and any sort of conversation, it's just a waste of your breath. Right. So why do we bother? Right.

Not saying this about, you know, the sit down interview. Do your thing 60 minutes, like sell the ad time. But for me, I'm like, if someone's not willing to actually talk to me, I've got other people. I'd rather much rather spend that time talking to.

But they needed to do this, right? Of course. So they needed to do this. Yeah. They really surprised that he opted to do this with 60 minutes as opposed to fox.

Like, that was surprising. Do you know what I mean? Like go like, if this, if this was what you're going to do, and there's a narrative, you're trying to spin it to be a certain way, go where they're familiar to it.

Yes, yes. Right. Go where they love you. Yes.

And I think that fox has been pretty critical.

And what they've been, it's, it's, I've been noticing it last week before the shooting. Yeah. Stayed shooting. They were.

They were pretty, they've been pretty, like, hard on him and the New York Post as well. I've been noticing just I'm noticing the shift how like the Republican party is kind of like cutting their losses. And they're like, let's just distance ourselves as much as we can from this.

We've got cash betel doing body shots. Like an ice louche. And like, what do we, like, what is, we've got the younger ones. Has there ever been a more useless man?

No. Has there ever been a more useless man than cash betel? I'm sorry. It's like, what good are you?

What good are you? What good are you? Like, I wonder if he looks at himself in the mirror

They're all being so worst.

I'm the worst. I am useless. And just sitting there flailing. Sorry. But I'm so pretty.

I'm so pretty. Really thought about this.

“I mean, but it's like, it's, it's, again,”

you know what I mean? I love it. Is it, this is what they bring out of me? I do not this person. I don't kick people on the fucking subway.

I don't hate people. You're a kick that one guy. This is what I'm saying. This is not who I am. But these people have to hear me.

Somebody that I don't like. Be the change you don't want to see in the world. It's not the same. And like, it's not the same. I don't want to see you.

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I was not ready to be on in a press conference tonight.

He was the last to find out about his own stage shooting.

“He's also the last to find out that he got fired because I think it's going to happen this week.”

I think by the time this episode airs, he'll be gone. I'm going to record this. Why? Why do you think that? Because they've already soft launched the exit before the correspondence center.

Do you think that he's going to be really fired fired? Or do you think that he's going to be rerouted? I think he'll get fired like Christy Nome. But she didn't. Did she get fired fired?

She didn't. She didn't. She's doing something else. No, that's her husband's boobies. That's not what she's doing.

Byron. Byron's doing something else. She's fired. Fire fired. She got fired.

You're thinking of Pam Bondi or is it Carolyn Levitt? It's on maternity leave. No, no, she's still there. I saw her. She's the dazzle.

But she's getting ready for it. Well, that's. And they're saying that Trump might give the press conference to some health now. Oh. That I would watch.

That I would watch.

Just to watch the cluster.

Just the cluster. Well, because all the journalists I love it, they're all trying to get there. You know, they're two minutes at airtime. Like good for them. He gets.

I think she's doing something else. Christy Nome. Yeah. I really do. And I don't know why.

Get a minute. If you know what Christy Nome is doing today. He does just like the Haitian WhatsApp groups. And dogs and hanging out with her husband. I don't know.

He should go. We know what my mother told me. We should call my mother. Because she doesn't want to tell me. No.

Christy Nome. Go. The guy. He has another job. She got another job.

She said. I swear to God. Again, I spend a lot of time with my mom and I'm excited. They're getting all the misinformation from life. Directly differently from family.

There you go. Special envoy to the shield of America. I wait. You know what I'm saying? If someone can tell me what that is, all that.

If you're nothing better than the leg.

“I think he doesn't want to like fire fire her.”

Okay. And he wants sort of rerout. Again, you're being put out to pasture for sure. But it's not like you're on the unemployment line. So this one I'm saying.

So do you think that cash will be on the unemployment line? Or will be rerout at somewhere? I don't know. Which one's worse? Do you think?

I'm tired. I think it's worse. He's still got to like do stuff. If he does. It's a way.

It's been a way for him to feel like I'm still here. Yeah. That's true. Useful. I'll be like, and he'll be throwing that title around to get free bottle service.

Which is what he likes. Yeah. He'll be at every club. Ask him for the table service. For table service.

The good boost. $800. That's tough. Like $1,000 bottles of crystal. Anyway.

This has been the craziest recording. I'm on so many allergy medications. Yeah. I went to CVS. It was locked up.

It was locked up. It was locked up. Monday at 12 p.m. I go to CVS. Yeah. Hey.

Can I get the allergy medication with the digestive. It's always locked. It's behind. It's with the pharmacist. The pharmacist.

They're like, oh, no. The pharmacist is closed. What time was it? Monday in the middle of the day. Yeah.

I think I've been working my whole life.

“I don't think I've ever been allowed to take lunch.”

I don't think I've ever had a lunch break. I mean, okay. But CVS is for sure.

The allergy medication is always locked up.

And you have to show ID. And I asked for two. And he said, you got to come back tomorrow for the second one. To what? So I left and came back a few hours later.

Yeah. And then I wanted two boxes and he said, you can't buy two at once. You have to buy them a day apart. Because if you're making math, yeah. You're making the math one day at a time.

One day at a time. You've got to make your small batch home grown. It's hard to tell someone. You can only make a small batch at a time. That's a local brewery.

Anyway. Comment with your math rest of people out. Do not do that. Do not do that. Met this bad for you.

Do not. You actually need a little bit. Do not listen to Michael. Everything in moderation. Michael is a lawyer.

He's not adopted. That's true. Yeah. Do you lie to your doctor? Which doctor?

Any of them. I have. I lie to my doctor. It depends on what it is though. And you know what?

That's your job to figure out if I'm lying. That should be part of your job. You know who I've lied to, which is really, really. That is my hot take. That's my fucked up take.

I've lied to my therapist. Good for you. I don't want to get into it. I don't know.

“Do you need to, does your therapist tell you anything about your, like, their life?”

Occasionally. Really? Yes. That's actually not supposed to do that on the thing. I think I've had a few do that.

And I think they've been telling me about their life to, let me know that some feeling that I'm feeling is normal. Hmm. If you know what I mean. Yeah.

I saw old therapists on the street the other day. Really? I was weird. Did you just start crying? No.

I think I checked him later. I saw your grandchildren. Yes. I did. And he told me he was on his way to his son's baseball game.

I texted the therapist once years later, just to let her know that I had, like, done something that I was very afraid of that I worked with her on. Okay.

And I was like, hey, I just wanted to let you know, like, I finally did that thing.

What's your patty? That big one. I did my big one. And I just wanted to let you know, like, hope you're well. Like, it wasn't like a hit.

Let's talk. Yeah. Oh, back. Because she was like, oh, my God. So great.

So happy to hear it.

“Like, I just wanted to, like, hey, Diva, why don't you to know that eventually all that blood”

sweat and tears you put into it? Yes. I eventually got it before. Thank you. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get therapists once told me, well, you helped me pick out a therapist once. Do you remember that?

I did. We were all together today. Yes. And you were like, Michael, you need a gay therapist because you have a black therapist. Yes.

And you were like, I don't want to have to explain to a white therapist what it's like being a black woman. Oh, it has that time. And I was like, I don't think I should have to explain, you know, what it's like. No. Yeah.

So we were got Melissa and I were scrolling through psychology today. No. No. And I was like, how can it? And I was like, well, what about this one?

And you were like, no, I don't think he's gay. And I showed you one and you went, well, he's gay. Yeah. And I picked him, and he was. And you welcomed.

You did enough of a thumbnail about the size of a quarter. You welcomed. I'm telling you. She said, oh, well, that piece expensive. She's like, I don't have that time.

Carl's gay. So yeah. And he was. Good. Anyway, let's get into under oath.

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Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the iHeart Radio app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to Brief Recess. This is under oath. We are joined by the incredible Emily Galvan Almanza who's the co-founder and executive director of partners for justice.

She recently wrote a book titled The Price of Mercy. Unfair trials of violent system and a public defender search for justice in America. Thank you so much for having me. I'm thrilled to be here. Hi Emily. We're happy to have you. So I'm so excited to have you.

I've been following your work on social media for quite some time. If you haven't gotten an opportunity to check out Emily and what she's doing on the internet, it's incredible. Her book really is extraordinary. It takes us behind closed doors in America's criminal courts. Something I'm very familiar with and something we talk about a lot on this show.

And it reveals really how the institutions that claim to protect us that are there to serve justice are actually doing the exact opposite. Quite awesome. It's something that I encounter in immigration court all the time. It's something that I've encountered in my criminal practice. In your book, you really offer a blueprint for how to fix this, right? Like how to move forward.

I would just love to hear a little bit about the book and what it covers. Yeah, so you can't do a whole book that's just how bad stuff is. Nobody wants to stick around for that. And in fact, I was trying really consciously to give people foundational knowledge about how bad stuff is so that they can be conversant in all of the ways

in which these systems fail us, even if they have been so lucky in their life as to never have interacted with the criminal court system.

I wanted them to hear like soup to nuts.

“How is it bad and also how are all the bad pieces working together to make each other worse?”

Because that's something we often miss out on is that this is like it's an apparatus. It's machinery. Right. And then I wanted to once we've thoroughly depressed people and made them look like a fire. Then we go into talking about a number of things which I think some of them could be termed solutions and some of them are like ameliorations.

The bottom line is the number of ways in which we could do better, build more public safety, better, you know, health and ability to thrive and also a fair system. A system that puts forth some form of legitimacy, like a number of ways is stupid. People act like the solutions are so hard to find you. They're not. There's like multiple studies showing a number of things would work really, really well.

We just need political will to do them. It's interesting. I mean, I think people find me on social media or have told me that things that they are drawn to about my social media is that I offer. I always offer. We're always offering out on this show as well.

Like what can you do? Like what is the next step? So much of journalism so much of what gets covered in social media and legacy media is here's how fucked up everything is good luck.

And like you said, I think people we know we know how bad things are.

We would really like a way out of that. Like what can we do as an individual? What can I do as an individual? It's sort of help fix the problem as opposed to just being like, yep, it sucks to be here. You know, I also say people are so hungry for exactly that actionable. Yeah.

It's like they want to get up tomorrow and do something which will make a dent in the grimness of the world.

“What facts did you uncover when you were writing this book?”

Take us through some of the really surprising things you learned. It's okay if you depress us, we will get into what you can do next. How people can help. How people can channel their anger and use that as impetus to affect change. But talk us through like the things you found as you were looking really hard at the criminal justice system.

A lot of this for me was not purely surprising because I spent 10 years as a public defender and now I work with public defenders all across the country helping them expand their practice and build sort of more effective, more beautiful forms of public defense.

And before that I was a kid who actually needed to be defended.

Yeah. So I've been on both sides of this. I've been on multiple sides of this and so going into this work, it was a little bit of like downloading everything that I had learned over a lifetime. Into a set of pages. But what I found the most surprising was that like in every dark corner that I poked in, I would find something worse than I had actually experienced in practice.

Wow. So for example, you know, we've all been there. Like I used to practice in a jurisdiction where the cops at our local precinct would clean the mouthpiece on the breathalizer with an alcohol wipe before people used it. Okay. Oh my god.

And it's alcohol. Oh no, it's so stupid. But then, you know, it's the research. And I learned that there's a drug lab in that it was, you know, studied and reported in the news where the ventilation system was so bad. It was literally blowing drugs all over the lab and contaminating every sample.

So like, no, no. I thought the floor was the floor. Yeah, it was just it was that horse meat disco is where they were doing all that all the horror. That, you know, a drug testing. I think that that is real.

It's astounding, right?

“Because you would never, it would never, it didn't even occur to me to wonder how are they cleaning off the little breathalizer thing, right?”

Right. And the idea that there would use alcohol. Oh, I did a continuing legal education. And this was just it was for every type of legal practitioner. We have to do legal education like throughout our life.

So it was a continuing at class and it was like eight in the morning. And he had someone come up on stage, rinse their mouth out with listering and then do a breathalizer. And it said that they were like an ebraated. Right. So like the whole, like your, your right though, once you start sort of picking away at it,

it's like an onion. It just kind of has layers and it smells worse the more you touch it. Yeah. When we were sort of preparing for this interview, we were looking at some of the facts that you uncovered researching this book about. How trees and certain neighborhoods affect crime rates.

Could you sort of tell us a little bit about that research? I've done this thing to myself.

You know how Madonna is always called the material girl and she's it.

Yeah. Yeah. Now you're the free girl ever every time every time there's a guy around. It's like public defender thinks you can fix public safety with trees. Yeah.

Yeah. Could you throw that up on me? Can you throw that up CJ actually? I want to see that. And you know what?

This is on the heels of they just announced in New York City that they want to cover. New York City in 30% trees by 2040. Right. Yeah. I'm so excited about this weekend.

So this is some of the some of the research in the book that I found so thrilling. I mean, the sort of the the twin the the good twin to the evil of finding out that everything was worse than I thought is that I found a ton of solutions that were just like. Easier and more available and more immediate than I thought.

“I think one of my favorite ones is like having an after school program.”

Right. Drops youth involvement in crime by 50%. Yes. It's like so achievable. But the other things all of these great environmental design pieces now.

A lot of the time the government will put forth this idea that a safe public environment is one that is heavily surveilled. Yes. But when we look at the research, we don't actually see surveillance preventing a ton of crime. I mean, this kind of obvious if you put yourself in the place of a person who's considering doing a crime like you see a camera. You know, as if anybody's watching the other end of that camera, it's like put on a hat and an and 95 like whatever.

But if a space is occupied or beautiful in a way that suggests the space may become presently occupied by other people. It's just not a good place to do crimes. So that's when when you see like this research on if you've got a vacant lot and you turn it into a community garden crime drops. If the community is involved in creating that garden, like if they do it themselves, crime drops even more because the space is more likely to be utilized occupied.

One of my favorite comparisons is like.

“If you want to eliminate one homicide using police saturation, you need about 17 police officers in the vicinity to eliminate one homicide.”

But the city of Philly improved street lighting painted sidewalks fixed up some dilapidated spaces and dropped youth homicides by 75%. Wow. Just by fixing infrastructure, just by fixing up the little structure. And the beautiful thing is like even if I'm wrong, even if everything I've written is wrong, we've still built a more beautiful world. And the same thing like this is the tree thing, the tree thing is kind of my favorite because it's it's well researched, but it's also mysterious.

Yeah, so like tree, you take two similarly situated housing complexes right there identical in every way they've got the same type of people living in them. If one has more trees, the research suggests that that building will have not only less property crime outside the building, but less domestic violence inside. Interesting. Wow. It's like people behave better in my mind.

Yeah. But do we know why that might be? There's a lot of theories. I mean, one, there's just a behavioral piece where like people behave differently in beautiful places than they do in other places. Like that's just a fact.

It's just like a context. Yeah.

“It's context, but it's also there's really interesting research connecting beauty with longevity.”

Like people who live in spaces where they can take in beauty live longer than people who are deprived of that. There's also the pollution factor. I mean, there's a lot of research showing correlation between air pollution and sort of any form of ingested pollution and behavioral impact. Okay. Trees, of course, clean our air.

Yeah. A lot of the time the smog layer is going to hover like in the midlayer of a building.

So smog is not going to be worst on the first floor.

It's going to be worse a little bit higher up. But that's exactly where you find the tree layer. I mean, so there's nobody can tell you definitively why the trees are making people not like, shove their house. But but but the evidence is there.

We don't exactly know why. But yes. But the evidence is gone. So we brought you on not as an an arborist. But we brought you on really to talk about the criminal justice system.

But I know it's an interesting sort of talking point. And I get it. Sometimes there are these headlines that linger around our name. I'm will forever be the guy whose name is on that list of ice. Uh, lawyers like the lawyers up against.

I will always be asked about that.

I'm very happy to be asked about that.

“But you talk a lot about the prison system and how jails actually increase crime, right?”

And a lot of defense attorneys know this. A lot of people who are insider baseball, a part of the criminal justice system understand this, right? When I have a client who is mentally ill, who committed a crime because they were experiencing, you know,

extreme mental illness symptoms psychosis who then get arrested for a crime and go to prison for a year. Their illness gets worse. They're oftentimes learning how to commit more crimes. We're set up as some rates. Learning from other criminals getting involved like making friends with other criminals.

And then leaving now they're on parole. And anytime they do any little thing, they're back in prison, right? So this is very clear and well documented and so many legal circles. But I think the mainstream everyday person is slowly starting to get socialized this idea. Right?

Exactly. So I often, and I take great pleasure saying this as a woman speaking publicly, that our current criminal legal policy is very emotional. And I just wish it was more rational and evidence-based. Yeah.

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Because it's all based on who we're scared of and who we're that at. It was the bad stuff that people were mad at.

And you know, vengeance, right? Let's get them to this. Let's get them. Exactly. And we get there because that's free political points for lawmakers who don't want to actually do anything. So exactly as you said, right? The multiple studies show us that exposure to incarceration, particularly pretrial incarceration is criminogenic.

The person who's in for seven days is more likely to be re-arrested than the person who is in for two days. Even if they were identical when they went in interest. And I mentioned those, those numbers because when we look at the research, they're studying very short periods of exposure to incarceration. Yeah.

It's not, it's exactly, like, you just have, it's not super mysterious. It's a highly violent environment in people are traumatized, cut off from all of their forms of opportunity and support networks. Yeah. And often harmed both like personally psychologically medically.

But if we were making policy that was reflective of the actual evidence, we would make radically different policy choices. Yes. Okay. The same could be said of, you know, you mentioned somebody getting, you know,

being on parole and then immediately getting pumped back into the system. There's research in the book from a professor at UC Berkeley,

which basically a state changed their laws about pretrial, or I'm sorry, not pretrial, post-release supervision. And the period of time during which people had less post-release supervision, there was no uptick in crime, but there was a downslope in new prison admissions.

As soon as they put that intense supervision back in place, again, no change in crime, but prison admissions popped back up, demonstrating that this form of supervision isn't having any impact on crime. It's just filling prisons.

Right. And so if somebody were to look at the evidence and say, oh, man, probation parole aren't really doing a lot in term. There's like not worth the expense, the massive expense.

In some jurisdictions it can cost a literally a million dollars

to put a child on probation for one year. Okay. It's not worth that when you get into those public safety benefits whatsoever. Right. That's crazy.

“And I think like a lot of supplementary service provider institutions”

were shut down for being too expensive. Right. The mental health hospitals that were shut down and just said, let's have the police, let's have the prison system, just take care of those folks,

and it'll save us a bunch of federal dollars, but it does. But it doesn't. But it doesn't. And I wonder why that information is not pumped out.

Nearly as much as it is, you know what? We're going to be hard on crime, and we're going to put all these people away when there is evidence that shows us that that's not really how it works.

Right.

I think it's like Emily says, it's emotional.

This is emotional behavior. Like we talked about it with Karen. We had a guest somewhere we talked about the death penalty and how, you know, people. Vengeance again.

It's that kind of down to this like emotional reaction, a victimhood, right? And it, and it, it's just really psychological. Yeah. It is, but it's also the framing, right?

Like we, one of the things I'm hoping to achieve with this book is to get people to understand that when a politician stands up there and offers you something tough on crime. Yeah. They're offering you the status quo.

The status quo is tough on crime. If you like what we already have. Yeah. Sure, keep, you know, keep the person who wants to change. Nothing doesn't want to do better.

But if you want to make a commitment. When a bad thing happens, you want to do the work to make sure that bad thing doesn't happen again. That's the harder work that requires actually looking at the evidence of what makes bad stuff not happen.

You can see it specifically in the emotional policy

“offerings of a lot of lawmakers, like fentanyl, right?”

Yeah. You have so many lawmakers who are like, I'm going to increase the sentence. So if you, you know, have sell a bag. It's got fentanyl in it.

You're going to get 10 more years. Yeah. Nobody is on the corner. Looking at the bags. They have and being like, well, let me test this for 10 more.

Right. Right. Yeah. People think they sell when they think they're not going to get caught. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, likelihood of intervention. Number of resources we have to not put people in an economic position where selling drugs is legitimately the best option available.

Like these are things that actually lower the likelihood of fentanyl being sold. But that's harder work and it takes a longer time scale. So we need a voting public that's willing to demand that and also stick with the longer time scale before they see the results. Who is like nailing it right now?

“Like, is there a jurisdiction is there a state is there on one?”

Is there a mayor? Is there a town that is kind of doing what we want to see more of? Maybe not nailing it. There's a bunch. Yeah.

Okay. There's a bunch. They're all doing different things. So, for example, Baltimore has done a really good job of investing in community violence interruption and like community services that can make it less likely that people will

get involved in violence in the first place in Chicago. Also had a really good history with CDI initiatives. CDI, by the way, is the first thing in our sector that this administration cut. There's like the first thing when DOJ grants. Yeah.

And it's suspicious because it was that in victim services. And like both community violence interruption and victim services are ways of like helping people heal so that gun violence doesn't happen. Yeah. So interesting to watch those get immediately trashed.

But you know, Colorado got rid of qualified immunity for police officers. Yeah.

I love this because when you talk about it, people are like, you could never get rid of qualified

immunity. That'll never happen. Never pass. Everybody would see the police be a disaster. Like Colorado just did it.

Yeah. And they're fine. And like the sun rose the next day. Yeah. Yeah.

Exactly. Life went on. California and Washington and like a couple of other states have dealt with the problem of how our kids get railroaded. This is something that like every parent should know.

Kids should not talk to police alone. Children will wave their right to counsel 90 percent of the time.

And over a third of them will falsely confess to a crime they did not do.

And that number gets higher the younger they are or if they think they're covering for a friend. So basically, none of us should want our children talking to police alone because one, it's terrible for the children, but too, like we're not getting any accurate information out of it. Yeah. They're just doing their confessing to stuff they didn't do.

So California, Washington, a few other states have passed laws that just say, like, if the police want to talk to a child, the child has to have a lawyer present, period. And of, they don't have to invoke. Yeah. They don't have to have the magic words.

And just for illustration, I would like to share with folks that an anecdote of like, like an exacto knife, a client's minor had an exacto knife. And the cops fristked my client found this exacto knife, which is oftentimes needed for like school projects. And the cops said, is this yours and clients said yes. And this kid, they said, oh, is this, you know, he said it's for school.

And the cops said, yeah, you probably need this. We need this for protection for the crazy people on these streets too, right? Mm. Client says yes to that. You've admitted to intent to use that as a weapon.

These are not kids who are. I think when people hear that and hear you say, oh, every kid should know this. They're thinking kids in inner city use. We've got inner city use who are oftentimes coming in contact with drugs and weapons. No, it can be something as simple as a pen.

Oh, do you need this for just in case a homeless guy jumps you? Yeah, I guess, okay, you just admitted to intent to use this as a weapon. And that is a crime, right? So I think people, I just to show people that this is in. This isn't your kids slinging bags on the corner.

No, no, no, no, you know what?

“I really, I remember this, you know, I was a young person doing that such a park five, right?”

Where these were all young boys and they didn't, they wouldn't let them call their parents. They didn't have attorneys with them. Yeah. And they managed to somehow manipulate these young boys into admitting to something that they had not done. And these boys were punished.

Yep. They went to jail. And their lives were, you know, permanently changed because of it.

Always to find out decades later that they had not done this thing.

But because they had been alone with the police who were asking them. So this is the first time you had done this. And it was like, yeah, I guess is the first time I had done this. And before you knew it, they had sort of railroads. Absolutely.

The other thing is like, we have always told children, especially that the police officer is your friend. Trust them. Call the cops if you need help. Call the cops if you need help. And only to realize now that,

“especially I think black and brown children, right, are in front of these police officers.”

And now they are sort of like you said manipulating the information. And now these boys, these children are sort of allowing themselves to be put in this position where there's no one to help them. And that is what it made it to something that they really didn't do. And it's so isolating too. I mean, so many of the kids I represented exactly like you say for for stupid stuff.

A possession of a screwdriver that's a burglary tool possession of a pen that's a graffiti tool. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, stupid cases. Oftentimes I might meet them when they were 14.

But the first time they were followed home by a police officer or stopped or questioned or frisked or criminalized was when they were eight or nine.

Yeah. Because largely this is the adultification of black boys and the hyper surveillance of black and brown neighborhoods. And it's not like the other kids at school who have the privilege to not have that happened to them. And that's necessarily know that's going on. Right.

And so kids often can't turn to each other either. That's actually my next project after the price of mercy is that this fall. I have a book coming out called Andromeda Diaz and the reasonable doubt. Which is a book about a little girl whose parents are public defenders who knows how to defend her friends. When they are accused of things, it's an attempt to like teach kids about we can talk about this.

It's, this is happening to more than just you. You are not alone. And there are ways you can protect yourself in ways you can protect each other and be kind to each other and treat accusation with skepticism. So I'm hoping to like reach until the states can pass totally reasonable law that gives everyone a counsel. I'm trying to teach the kids how to invoke. That's great. Yeah.

“I think that's great. And how can people like be a part of this, right? How can people be a part of this change?”

Fans of the show, people who find a social media like, what are some of these reform ideas that are hopeful that people can kind of throw their way behind? So first of all, I love that I can say you don't have to pay attention to the federal government as much on this particular subject matter.

So much of the eight, like 87% of people who are in prison are there on state and local cases. Okay. So mostly the policy changes we're looking for are policy changes brought about by local DAs, states attorneys, local lawmakers, county boards of supervisors, sheriffs. So the number of people that it takes to push one of these elections to a more decarceral or smarter direction is fairly low. Also, local initiatives can do so much as a program, totally volunteer program that I cover in the book called DAs on duty, where a bunch of guys just got like really sick of their kids having policing counters at school.

And so they had t-shirts made that said DAs on TV. Yeah. And they started like patrolling the halls and when a kid was like doing knucklehead stuff, they'd give him a look. And the knucklehead stuff would stop. And so incidents in a rest of the school drop.

So like we can do so we don't have to wait for permission like you can form a like grandma's on duty at your school. You can court watch, you can go sit in the courtroom so that if there's a judge who's going to be absolutely cruel to the people who appear in front of them, like they might not do it in front of you, particularly if you have a notebook. You can demand, this is one of my favorites. We often feel really helpless about bad policing and people who work in policing feel helpless about that too.

There are so many police leaders who wish they could fire the bad actors in their department, but because 98% of union contract contain a provision that says you can't fire the bad guys. Like they're stuck. Yeah.

And but prosecutors can use something called they do not call list where the prosecutor basically says, you do whatever you want police department.

But if your officers are incredibly found to have engaged in like lying to the public in a, you know, lying about the public test lying or mistreating the public violence, I'm simply not going to use that cop in any of my cases. And what's great about that is if the cop can't be used in a prosecution, they're essentially used. Yeah, they're paper, they're the police. Exactly. They get benched immediately.

“So like you can go to your local DA and be like, why don't you have this policy?”

Why do you want to use bad cops? They do not use bad cops. There's so much we can do locally. I love that. Really, really.

That's really cool. And what I love what you're talking about really is people, I get this all the time, right? Like what can I do? How can I help?

And I always try to empower people with like small tools that they can do for with.

Fifty followers on Instagram, right? Like you need, you don't need like a huge platform to affect change. And oftentimes like you say it is on these really small local levels, like the mom's Facebook group. Yeah. How can you pressure someone?

So I love hearing that. When does your next book come out? Like, what is there anything you'd like to plug? We talked a bit about your book. Yeah, so the book is the price of mercy.

If you like solutions like these, you can check it out. It's available everywhere books are sold. In September, you can expect the arrival of in drama ideas. And if you have a middle grade reader in your life and you would like that middle grade reader. Yes.

Like my daughter, say to her local school cop, I want to remain silent and I want to lawyer every time. I love it. I just talked about that. That's get of a copy of it. It's so true.

It's really true.

“And I think, you know, I wouldn't have known what to say for police officer approached me as a kid.”

So I mean, we have to. Yeah. How did you sort of get into this work? I'm just so curious, Emily. Well, I had a really rough time of it as a young person for a period that culminated me getting arrested and coming before a judge who was a legendary advocate for young people.

Wow. In Massachusetts, Judge Leslie Harris, who I write about in the book. And then because of him and his determination to see potential in children instead of seeing threat, I was able to go into college and law school. And in my first year criminal law class, I thought, man, I really connect with these people.

I don't know why. I'm not going to think too hard about that. It's not that I've done the crime, right? It's just that I like these stories. Yeah.

So I took a job at the LA County Public Defender, that summer. Yeah. And I started walking into rooms with kids who were not that much younger than me. And had done stuff that I had literally done, except for that they were black and brown. Yeah.

And I had not been. Yeah. And I've been so angry about that. Yeah, for sure.

That I've just never stopped.

But isn't it wonderful, though, that I mean, because this could have gone wrong for you, if you did not happen to be in front of this particular judge who truly cared about what happens to kids.

“And I mean, I think that I don't, I mean, I don't know when people are in certain positions”

if they really understand sort of the power that they have and how they could use their power for good. I mean, I hate to say to say things like that because it's also cheesy. You know, because if you had gone before a judge who was a different animal, you would be in a completely different place right now. So this is what we need. We need more people like this judge.

Judge Harris. Yes. No, I was able to write him years later when I become a public defender and I'd represented like thousands of people because caseloads are way too high.

Congratulations on all these dispositions.

“I mean, I think that those stories like that are what give us hope because we're looking at a landscape that feels sometimes really dismal.”

And it feels like we don't know what to do. Everything, everything feels terrible sometimes. But when you hear a story like this, you're like, you know what? Everything is not terrible. We can sort of invoke change if we try.

But I also love what Emily said about like letting anger propel you. I think's literally everyone is angry right now. And I hear it. And every single DM I get, people are angry. They're upset.

They are reacting to, you know, what I'm talking about. And headlines. And every time that happens, I'm not like, oh, man. I made this person angry. I'm like, hell, yeah.

“Like if you're mad, like it means something good is happening, right?”

Like you're alive inside your fired up. I don't think anyone ever like invoked change from a place of emotional calm. Distance emotional distance.

Like I think I think I'll change in like revolutionary radical change in the world.

Came about because we were pissed off. Yeah, gone. He was secretly fury. I was living. Yeah.

So I just I love to hear that like this anger from your youth really propelled you. Through this extraordinary career and into this change. So I love to hear that. And I think that is hopeful, right? It's very helpful.

Yes. I'm like, oh, yeah. Make emotional decisions. I love that. And I also think the other sort of message of hope is that realizing that there are some things that you could do at the grassroots level within your own community that could potentially make a huge difference.

A community garden, planting more trees. Yeah. And more people need to hear those things. And they also need to have the information that you have, right? Like the statistics, the numbers, just the numbers.

Because I think if I were to go to somebody. Like I was my husband, for example, who's kind of a cynic, right? And I would say, you know, today I learned that if you plant more trees in a community, crime goes down. He'd be like, really. But, but if I were to show him the numbers for him, that would make the difference.

different. It's nice. We need to sort of tell people these stories but also provide the numbers behind it. What are the stats behind it? Because people need to hear that as well. Otherwise, it just seems like sort of airy, fairy stuff. You know? Literally a hundred pages of the book is citations. Yeah. The reason is because as a public defender, like I know no one's going to take my word for stuff. Well, exactly. We need to have that. I received. We need to have that. I received.

We need. Yeah. You need the blue. You need the receipts. You need the receipts. Well, thank you. Emily, where can people find you on social media? What's your handle? We'll throw it up on this. I'm at Galvan Almanza on pretty much everything Instagram, Twitter, blue sky. You name it. All right. Well, thank you so much. Emily, this is great. Thanks for having me, you guys. Really appreciate it. Okay. Well, this is tells from the DMs. These are all the weird wild freaky, dicky, crazy, lascivious, licentious, scandalous, solaceous things you send me

and Melissa on the internet. Friends, what do I always say? Well, Michael is a lawyer. He's not your

“lawyer. So you should probably look into getting your own. But you can hire me. I'm for, I'm for hire.”

He's cheap. Bo go. But did you know the word for sale in Sweden? I went to Sweden. It's slut spurt. So all these stories, it was like, let's look back. Let's look that up and put that in the notes because Michael is also known to be a liar. To the Swedish people. Say in the comments. So that's it from right. You know, somebody from Sweden reached out to me, actually.

It's so funny. No, and they, and she wanted to know the lipstick that I was wearing. What is it? That's just troll it. No, it was. Did you tell her? No, I did tell her what it was. But unfortunately, did not have a cool name, like, vicious troll. Okay, from the DMs from the Santa kind of episode people want to know Corey Johnson 7444. Okay, but drop the sweatshirt link Melissa from your tourists. So I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Somebody a bunch of other people asked me about it. And I don't

remember where I bought them. A friend of mine bought them for us. She's a Libra. I'm a tourist. Right. But I don't remember. But I promise I will look into it. I know that it was a black owned company that we saw on Instagram. Yeah. And this is, and this is the problem. If you do love our show, you are following two influencers over the age of 35. So we are likely going to forget where things come from. We're going to forget the link. Like it just comes with the territory. So if you

want quick links, follow a 20 to your old. Sorry, friends. But I will look. Do you want to read one? Sure. Okay. This is, I really love this because I agree completely. From Zach Tanner 17,

and plug it back in. Seriously, though. Our government is the worst. Something you would say to me. I would call you. I want you to say that. Control all to leave. This is start over. Everything is terrible. I mean, it's a deep or cleanse. I do feel like, you know, it doesn't do shower like when you get home from a bar or something. Yes. Yeah, I shower. I do the

“full. I do the. You have to do everything shower. You need every flower. Yeah, it's disgusting outside.”

Yeah. Okay. From Katie bites. She writes, hi, deep. Hi, deep ones. Thank you. I've been summoned for jury duty. And I'd rather not. Any outfit tips to ensure I'm not the chosen one. Yes. Really, you have. I do. Well, I mean, I can just, so I think that if you, if you don't want to be chosen for a jury, I suggest that you go on social media and look for somebody who is trying out outfits to wear to Coachella. And that's that will get you out of it for show. There

were two girls who were making fun of Coachella influencers and going to Coachella and they were like, get ready with me to go to Coachella. I'm shopping at Marshalls and they did this whole like Marshalls thing. Marshall saw it and sent them to Coachella. I'm sure they did. Listen, get it. Good for you.

It is really amazing to me how people all my voices going. Okay. Okay. She was silenced by Marshalls.

Okay. Sarah Newman wrote, "Diva, a possible question for the pot. I'm a licensed professional counselor in Texas and our ghoulish governor recently." I love that. Actually, go ahead, sorry. Recently, updated our health and safety code to prohibit my profession from facilitating treatment to trans youth as our licensed classifies us as health care providers. Interesting. He is classified gender affirming care for miners as child abuse in the state. Wow.

All right, Texas. With the recent Supreme Court ruling that therapy is protected speech, it seems states can no longer prohibit a therapeutic approach by targeting the ideas expressed in session. Could the Supreme Court ruling be applied here? Yes, it could be. That is like my legal sort of understanding. It could be applied. However, it would have to go up and be fully litigated by the Supreme Court. This is something that would have to work through the court system

probably for a couple years. There are activist law firms and attorneys who take those types of cases and will file suit in order to sort of litigate that. All the way up to the Supreme Court

“and get a decision. It's going to take some time. I'm sorry. You have to handle that. Anyone who”

wants to work with? I mean, I just just the idea that providing therapy, gender affirming care for a child is considered a child abuse. Even just therapy. It's not even a hormone block. It's not even people blockers. It's nothing. It's barely just God ruling that therapy is protected

speech. It could no longer. It is technically, yeah, it would be covered under the first amendment.

So I under, I mean, it's a sound legal argument. I think it will get worked through and the law will probably be held on constitutional at some point. But just not yet. Okay. We're going to read probably the craziest email I've gotten. One that is so crazy. We had to run it past the legal department twice. Myself as part of the one of the lawyers reviewing it. We sent it to legal. I have language. I'm allowed to use when we discuss it. But it's next week and it's about the gay panic

defense episode. It is insider T. It is hot goss. It is, it is nasty. It is. Let the record reflect that when when it came up. When it came up, I was just like, um, I'm sure. And I was like, it's fine. Let's do it. It was like, okay, because you're the lawyer. But hard cut to legal

gathering involved. And I said, I'm a lawyer. I never said I was a good one. And Melissa saying, I told you

so I told you, you did the, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, all right, let's get out of here. That was tells from the DMs. We'll see

“you next week when we talk about that weird crazy email we got. I can't, I can't, I honestly can't,”

I want to do it. Well, it's, well, I'll do it next week and I'll give it the full segment, a dramatic ingredient. Yes. And I'll do a dramatic ingredient. Full cool warm-ups. Okay. I'll see you in court. Just Michael. Not you? Never me. This has been an exactly right production recorded at I Heart Studios, posted by me, Michael Foot. And me, Melissa Malbrant, our producer is CJ Faroney. This episode was edited by Nicolas Scalucci.

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