Why Men Ignore Their Health (And How To Fix It) | @gogeviti's Nate Graville

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We kind of all have the same issues. We're inflamed, our lipids are off, our hormone suck, however, there's hope. Like these are solvable issues. Increase lifespan is a byproduct of increased health span. We just have to start with making you healthy.

And then, naturally you'll live a little longer. How do you convince a husband to start prioritizing not only his health, but your family's health? Because let's be honest, a lot of men will grind all day, provide, show up for every one else, and then completely ignore what's happening inside their own body until something goes wrong.

Nate Gravel, founder of Javity and husband and father of 2, has some thoughts about that after losing his dad to lung cancer, Nate built a company around one idea.

“What if you didn't have to wait until you were sick to find out something was wrong?”

Now, Nate is helping people get ahead of disease through advanced blood work, personalized

protocols, and the level of health data most people have never even heard of.

We'll talk about the importance of getting blood work done, what biomarkers to test, how to find out if you have the MTHFR gene, the different peptides on the market and what they do, and how to convince your husband to care about this stuff, and lead your family on a health journey. Watch this episode on the real Alex Clark Gugy channel or culture pod the carry on Spotify.

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Your whole company exists because your dad passed away from cancer, and you believe that

if it would have been caught earlier, and if he had access to what you've built now,

things might have been different. I was exposed to the inadequacies of the traditional health care system, really where the focus lied and where the incentives were were not, you know, four ones health. There was, in fact, for their sickness, that's where the prophet is, you know, misaligned incentives.

And so, I wanted to create a product that flipped the script, where the incentives aligned with keeping somebody healthier for longer, which I was looking around, and I just didn't see that out there. So there is an opportunity to take my expertise, which is in software, and pair that with advanced at home diagnostics, makes something really easy and convenient and affordable,

so that my my story and my father's story doesn't have to be other people's.

“I think that you're like the perfect person, because, you know, all the moms are on board”

with all of this crunchy living, they're doing all the things. The husbands are the ones who are skeptical, and they're like, why are we spending money to switch our cleaning products? Why do we need these 100% organic cotton sheets, our sheets are fine? We slept on them for years, while the sudden, am I not seeing my favorite chips in the

pantry? So what do you say to a dad who feels like I work hard all day, and so that is my justification to ignore my health, my wife can do go crazy, my wife can go all maha if she wants to, she can do whatever with the kids, but I'm my own person, and I'm not getting involved in all that.

You're not really a man if you're that selfish, and that you wouldn't do it for, you know, your spouse or your children. We shouldn't be doing this for herself, at least like, we shouldn't be the only motivating reason or the only driver behind optimizing my health. For me, it's not, I want to be healthy, and I want to, you know, feel good and look

good, yes, but even beyond that, what's a greater motivator for me is being around my children for a long time, and like the idea of getting to watch them have their own families, and maybe even another generation, doing this alongside my wife, this, that is like the driving motivation to peel to the husbands like grow up here and just do it for, do it for those who you love, not for yourself, if you have no interest?

You're a crunchy dad who has two little boys. What are you doing differently with your kids' health, that the average family would find crazy? Well, I'll tell you this, my three-year-old already knows, like, what foods have dyes in them, and what foods don't, you know, we have like the organic fruit snacks without

in it, and so on, teaching them at a young age, I think it's, uh, it's important.

And by the way, like, you know, obviously you're not going to bat a thousand, you're, you're going to slip up, uh, maybe we're out in a bow, and we get a little treat in that treat has, uh, you know, the dyes in it. I know a lot of people listening will be able to, uh, relate to this. There's a notable difference, or a noticeable difference in your child, after they have, you

know, the red 40 or blue, what is a blue five or whatever it is, uh, and when they're not having that, it is like, uh, that my, my beautiful sweet little boy turns into, like, Jack Jack on fire from the Incredibles. I don't know if you've seen that movie, but that's like how I just picture it when he's in that state.

Oh, my still, thank you's sweet and adorable, but he's like a lot more fiery and really pushes my buttons whenever he has dyes. So yeah, I mean, just like, start having these conversations, talk to them like they're adults honestly.

“Are you guys picky about the fibers of clothing that your kids wear?”

I think it's pretty easy to stick to cotton, um, it should be anyway. I mean, it's also easy to fall into like the polyester trap and other, you know, things as well, because of how it accessible, it all is and cheap, but yeah, I mean, generally

we're all just wearing cotton, uh, in fact, it was like, finally, uh, we had a conversation,

uh, not relating to the kids, but about uh, my wife was like, you know, the veori leggings don't seem to hold up like my Lulu ones. I was like, yeah, we have to, we have to have a conversation about this. Uh, we should just ditch the leggings. First of all, she is so wrong.

The veori leggings are proud. I don't know that those are totally not toxic, but they are, I don't think that's all much better than Lulu. I hate my Lulu leggings. I love the veori ones.

I love veori too, um, like, well, it's just, it seems to be softer. I know.

Yeah, it was like, maybe we, maybe we, you know, try out ditching these, these polyester leggings.

It's just, you know, and then we had a conversation about that. It was over date and I know it was a really good conversation. It's so hard when like the rest of society is going against the grain, or you feel like you're going against the grain for doing what is just obviously good for your health. When you're working on a budget with your wife, as a health conscious husband, raising young

children, are you telling her the majority of our money should be spent for our family on high quality food? Yeah, high quality food, and also, uh, I want her to be like, ensuring that she's spending money on her fitness as well. Like, for no other reason than she is the best version of herself mentally, whenever

she actually takes a little bit of time to, you know, go take a class, do at 45 or like, uh, there's something called the collective in our neighborhood. It's like a high intensity interval training sort of class. I think it should be food activity. You can just run outside at the end of the day or do push ups.

“What facts or stats should wives be sharing with their skeptical crunchy husbands?”

The testosterone levels of a male in their 20s would be the equivalent of the testosterone level of a male in their 40s in the 1980s. Literally, biologically, men are less manly. Yeah, I think it's like per, we're, we're dropping like 1% and that's because of chemicals, the food we're eating.

Oh, yeah, well, it's because of the food we're eating, I think, uh, largely, it's because men just love to sit down and not move anymore, um, it's because of the chemicals. It's because men don't care, honestly, it's, they need to care. Why should a godly man in particular care about his health? Well, I mean, because we're called to what we have as a gift.

This is a vessel for, you know, something, who we really are, our, our soul, um, it's something that we are given. It's a tremendous blessing to have. It's a tremendous blessing to have a body that's in good health. Like we, we, we owe it to God to, uh, ensure that we're taking this this gift, uh, seriously, and that it means something to us. Your body is a temple that's a,

“I think, a little bit of, uh, uh, uh, uh, that's a verse that I think is taken out of context a little”

bit, but when people say that I think the, the meaning behind it rings true, um, this is a sacred vessel. This is, this isn't just like a meat bag. This is more. Can I share too? And totally rip this from Rob Schneider. I heard him give a talk the other day, and he mentioned this, and I was like, man, this is a perfect analogy to explain this people. Especially when you're talking to believers, we know that this body that we have has been loaned to us. This was a gift.

It's a temporary, holding place for our soul until we go to heaven. If you think about how we treat our vehicles, right, that we own versus ones that we rent, when we own a vehicle, right? There's like, happy meal remnants. It's disgusting. There's like slime wiped on the walls, stickers that our kids put on there. Uh, it has been

are blown. And then you rent a car because we're on a fancy vacation. It's like, oh my gosh, we're so meticulous. I got to make sure the gas is right. Um, is there a scratch anywhere? Is there a crumb anywhere? It's like, we treat the rented vehicle better than the body that we have every day that we're also renting from God himself. Yep. Yep. That's tremendous perspective. And that's well put. If you're a believer, um, you're, you cannot use the cop out. Well, you know,

what's the worst I can happen? I'll get to heaven quicker. Well, look, we're also called to actually one like be fruitful and multiply. We're called to make disciples of others. Uh, we're called the shepherd people. How can you do that to the best of your ability if you are not physically healthy? You can't. I'll tell you that your energy levels will be, you know, suboptimal.

“So if you want to move the needle and those things and being a shepherd and being a light to people”

and like actually making disciples of people and, you know, leading them, you know, towards Jesus, it's so much easier to do that when you have the energy to do it versus just like, you know, sort of inching your way there because you're too tired to really have deep and meaningful conversations about what the purpose of this life is. Look, our physical health is not vanity. It is not this like pursuit for just, let's look really good and feeling good is not just about

feeling good. What do you do with that? That's what matters. If you're optimizing your health, you look good, you feel good. You will be better in anything that you really like apply this added energy towards. And as a believer, that should be going and making disciples of people. And just like contributing, like being a decent human that once actually, like have a positive impact on this world, takes energy to do that. Do you think that the current health care

system is actually designed to keep people healthy or is it just managing disease? Well, it's managing disease. It's certainly not designed to keep people healthy. I mean, literally, no part of the traditional health care system has incentives that align with keeping somebody healthy. If everybody was healthy, the system would collapse. It would not be profitable. It is, can I keep you healthy enough? Can I fix the symptom, like temporarily, the band-aid fix,

to keep you coming back for the fix more and more frequently, to keep the profit wheel spinning? That's really what it comes down to. It's this massive, I mean, we spend five trillion a year on health care. Most of that's so care. If we were all healthy, that would collapse. And that's kind of our objective. That's our goal. That's like, let's make the traditional health care system collapse by actually making the incentives align with keeping somebody healthier longer. And that

might be hyperbolic to say collapse. But for sure, we need to be spending the bulk of that five trillion dollars towards preventing people from getting sick, not treating them when they're already

sick. It shouldn't be that way. It's not logical. So many people say, you know, I've never had

my blood work done or I had it done a long time ago, but you know what, I feel fine. I feel fine.

“What's your response to that? How do you define fine? You should be feeling good. You should have”

energy. You should have motivation to go out and actually achieve things. Have relationship with people. These are things that we're seeing less and less of these days. And I know that because we have, you know, thousands of people who come to us telling us that, you know, I feel fine. We ask them, what does that mean? Well, you know, I don't feel bad. If that's like your measure of what fine is, then, you know, we've got some, we've got some work to do because that's not right.

And so when you're looking at, you know, just the averages of blood work of people who are actually

getting it done for the first time and forever or maybe ever, what is, what are the average

numbers that we're seeing in American adults? Oh, my goodness. Well, I mean, talking about hormone levels, we're seeing just crazy hormone dysfunction across the board. We're seeing young men coming in with really, really low testosterone. We're just seeing totally out of balance hormones across women of all ages. It seems like everybody has crazy lipids, really high triglycerides, apoliproprotein B, a lot of people are coming in and flamed. We've seen it all by now. And, you know,

everybody's unique, not everybody shares like the same exact values, of course. And we treat everybody exactly where they're at. But we kind of all have the same issues. We're inflamed, our lipids are off, our hormone suck. However, there's hope, like these are solvable issues, you just have to actually go in and look first, so you can know what's going on. So if somebody has

never done advanced blood work, what would you say, like the top five things are, they should be like

really wanting to look at? Well, the top five things that you want to look at are the top five, like abnormal things on your blood work panel, right? So that's going to be different for everybody.

“If you ask me, what do I think the most important biomarkers are as it relates to healthspam?”

I'd say that we should be looking at things like CRAC to protein, to measure inflammation, we should be looking at apeliproprotein B. In addition to HDL LDL triglycerides, you know, a lot of doctors will not add apeliproprotein B into the panel. And they're starting to more, I think,

to add this in. And it's hard to tell your patient no. When they know that this is actually good

for them, of course, insurance won't cover this, so it's a little bit more expensive if they go that route. We've got to be looking at the sex hormones. I think that sex hormones are not just about you know, performance. I think they've kind of been mislabeled as a, uh, uh, only something to

“optimize if you want to perform well, whether that's, you know, an athletics or otherwise,”

not the case. It is incredibly important to mental health, which is a far more tricky problem to solve than physical health. I think that, you know, fasting insulin, fasting glucose, those things are very important to, you know, look at, but it's really going to just be totally individualized. What is off for you and what is going to move the needle most as it relates to your health span?

Increase lifespan is a byproduct of increased health span. We just have to start with making

you healthy. And then naturally, you'll live a little longer. How do you convince somebody to get their blood work done or their biomarkers tested, you know, a parent, a spouse, another family member, when they refuse to do it. The nice thing about this is we have common sense. We know that we should be looking underneath the hood. There's really no reason not to. I think the reason not to, generally is they're scared to know what's going on. They just have anxiety around it. And, you know,

that's, that's somebody's truth. And, uh, we're here to like help navigate that. We want you to get over that because not knowing is far worse than knowing. Let me tell you that. Like, I would give anything for my father to have done more comprehensive blood work more regularly. Um, you know, he just didn't, his provider didn't recommend it. So if your mom, let's just say, I'm sure your mom is doing jeopardy. Oh, yeah. But if your mom wasn't, and she was very resistant to all this stuff that

you're doing and talking about, how would you pitch to her like, mom, you've got to do this? That's a good question. There probably be a little bit of guilt tripping there. Uh, you know, probably throwing, uh, I have two little boys, you know, their names into the mix. Do it for them. But that's also the reality. Like, don't do it for yourself. Do it for us. I think you owe it to us because we love you. And we want you here with those longer. What about the people that do

get their blood work tested? They're doing everything they're supposed to do. The blood work says they're fine, but they don't feel fine. Yeah. So if the data doesn't match the anecdote, we have to look deeper. And it might not be something that shows up in the blood work. Maybe there's like some traces of what's happening that we can sort of reverse engineer and figure out, well, maybe this is gut-related or maybe this is, you know, something to do with some sort of

environmental talks and that's that you're exposed to. We have other tests. We want to just keep looking deeper and pull back the onion. We don't want to just say, okay, your blood works good. Everything's good. You know, go about your day. It's medical gaslighting. That's literally what

“the traditional system does day in and day out. And that's what we're trying to combat. So”

you just gotta keep pulling back the layers and figure out what the root cause is as a really sort of issue. Can bad data or bad interpretation of blood work actually make somebody worse? Yeah, for sure. You have to know what you're doing when you're interpreting results. You can't just be going in willy-nilly because a lot of people are taking getting their results and then they're running it through chatGBT. Yeah, don't do that. ChatGBT is not going to, it was not purpose built for this,

right? You know, large language models are pattern recognition. What it's going to do is give you the same advice that the traditional system is going to give you. All LLMs are large language

models. That's what chatGBT is. Are basically like fancy text message autocomplete tools. It'll

like finish the sentence for, you know, whatever it is that you ask it. And it's trained off of huge data sets that are typically like the traditional research which I think is largely skewed not all of it, but a lot of it. Kind of like the legacy, I guess like more liberal, uh, you know, institution. And I don't want my advice to come from that. I want my advice to be outcome driven. I want it to be utilizing my real health data. I want it to have a functional medicine approach.

Or, you know, to go beyond that next generation, precision medicine approach, which, you know, is a whole other thing. But really, I want to unpack what the issue is and solve that issue. I don't

“just want to hear, well, yeah, your triglycerides are off. You should eat less saturated fat,”

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off your first purchase. So there's several of these direct to consumer blood work biomarker testing companies that exist. Are a lot of them giving people information without enough context to interpret it safely?

“Yeah, I think that's why doctors don't like these services because”

what ends up happening is patients end up taking their blood work to their doctor and they're like, hey, I just did this blood work thing online and I have, you know, they tested 100 biomarkers. All of this is off. I Google it. I think I'm dying. You know, and that's hardly ever the case. You know, they're just like basically handed this complex data without any way to interpret it. A lot of these companies aren't even doing the interpretation, which is why people end up

going to chat GPT and asking them to interpret it. Do you guys do the interpretation? Yeah, so we do the interpretation. We'll either do it synchronously or asynchronously through a video and we're going pretty in depth. It's going to be in the way between, you know, 15 minutes to half an hour. We've seen it go as long as like 45 minutes. It really just depends. And we're not just like going through the data. You know, the data's one piece of it,

but data without action is kind of pointless. We're at the very least, it's anxiety provoking. I don't know what to do with this. Then all it does is, you know, keep me up at night or give me something else to think about. So we spend a lot of time really planning a protocol that fits the individuals needs. And we're just listening to the body. It sounds, you know, fancy and in pretty technical because, you know, we're utilizing technology to kind of be a force multiplier

and help our team out a great deal. But it's just not, your body is telling you exactly what it needs. We just have to go in and look and listen. A lot of people ask me about the difference between javity in a company like function health when it comes to testing blood work and biomarkers. So what is the main difference between javity and function health? The main difference is their diagnostic company. That's all they do. They're going to send you to a quest and they're going to

“look at 100. I think a little over 100 biomarkers, they market 160 twice a year.”

And you got to go into a quest and they'll draw your blood and then you'll get your results back

whatever will get you to look underneath the hood. That's like the most important thing.

But we go beyond that. We don't just leave you with your blood work results and a generic action plan. We're there to guide you on your health optimization journey. Our incentives are truly aligned with

“making you healthier. And that's how we structure our company. Like that's what we're here to do.”

And so we're going to look at everything. We're not going to stop at blood work. We might suggest you do a GI map. We might suggest you do like a methyl detox panel to see if you're if you're methylating. Like for example, I have the gene mutation, right? So I'm not able to like my homocysteine is off the charts. If I'm not, if I don't have my methylated B vitamins in my longevity blend, which is another thing we do. Custom A and P and supplements according to your bodies needs.

It's like why why is supplementation done any other way? It is total nonsense that we're guessing. Listen, I have gone and seen other people in the functional medicine space. And they were wanting me to spend $1,300 a month on supplements. The bottle is only enough in there for one month. That's how much I was supposed to spend per month to get my hormones back and shape and all this stuff. I was just

killing myself trying to afford this. And finally, I was like, what am I doing? I'm not doing this anymore.

So I just quit. And then I use Jevity. And it's like, you guys literally test my blood. And then you only give me exactly what I need to take, which is like, I don't know, five little pills a day. If there's nothing, I mean, it's my A and P and it's exactly what I need. That's it. I don't have, you know, an entire cluttered counter of supplements that are being wasted. And that tastes disgusting either, which I don't like. So that has been a huge blessing in my life. It is exponentially less expensive

than a lot of these other services, which yes, are genuinely wanting you to spend money in the thousands per month on supplements, which is not affordable to the average person. If somebody is like curious about Jevity, but they feel like, well, you know, that might be a little bit out of my price range. Well, trust me, you'll make up for it with the cost savings on supplementation, right? People will come to us and they'll take eight to ten different things a day. They have all

these bottles on their on their countertop and it takes them like five minutes to get them all down.

“And they're spending a ton of money wasting money, honestly, is what's happening. They're”

they're essentially just like peeing their supplements down the toilet because their body's not even utilizing it because their body doesn't need it. It's so much more affordable, generally when when you find, well, I don't need this, this, this, or this. In fact, I don't need any of this. I actually need these five things, or these six things. And they're going to put them in a pack and send it to my house every month. And it's that convenient, am pack, take that with breakfast, pm pack, take that with

dinner. It's super easy. What's the price here is, and then what do you get with each thing? Our tiers are, we have a free tier. So that's exciting. You mentioned function. You can take your function, blood work, and upload it, and we'll be able to create the care plan for you. The custom supplements, obviously, inclusive of that. If you're interested in peptides, or you don't know about peptides, but maybe we recognize that you'll benefit your inflammation might be high.

Something like BPC157 is a peptide that might bring down your inflammation. All of that will be suggested. And then, of course, we'll ask you to upgrade to our plus membership, which is where we want to be a part of your health journey in a real way. We want to guide you through that. We want to hop on a call with you, get to know you, understand you better, and do that on a quarterly basis. Messages just whenever, but then do blood work at minimum twice a year as well.

“So we can stay on top of these things, and you should not be taking the same supplement”

set for years on end. This has changed kind of regularly. Yeah. And so, mind, as every time I get my blood work done, or we do another hormone test or whatever, my jeopardy specialist is updating what I'm taking. And I'm explaining all this in depth, because you guys ask, "What do I take? What do you do?" So one thing I like to is you're not sending me a bunch of glass bottles of supplements. This box has them all in a little packet,

like, you know, and then you take that. It's already made for you. So I don't have to like sift through a bunch of bottles, whatever. Like, I just have. It says, "A, I'm on it." And I take those four little pills in there, in the morning, and then I've got a little packet that has PM on it, and I take those little pills at night. But, you know, after dinner before bed, it's so simple. I remember I interviewed Brett Cooper, and she's a Jevity, right? So Brett

came on. I interviewed her, and she was talking about how one of the best things about her husband is he divvies up all of her supplements for her every day. So she wakes up, and then she just has them, he's already like picked out what she needs to take that day. Jevity is doing that for you.

So Jevity is basically all of our husband, and then we don't have to worry about that if you don't

have an Alex, which is Brett's husband's name. So I think that that's really awesome that you guys do that plus. It's so easy to travel with. I can't stand traveling with a bunch of plastic or glass bottles in my bag. Obviously, that's super heavy and inconvenient. This is so lightweight. Beyond checking biomarkers, what other test do you guys offer? So most people have some sort of gut dyspioses happening or like something off in their gut. Whether that's bad bacteria overgrowth or

test kit. It's a still collection kit. Takes maybe five, 10 minutes. You collect it, send it back to the lab. It takes a little bit of time to process. And then we'll interpret it with you. We'll go through that. If you have any sort of gut related issue, we have specialists on the team that is their bread and butter. It's not my bread and butter. I have people around me that are way smarter than me as it relates to these specialties. It's something we see a lot of. I don't think we've seen

a perfect gut health test yet. We've seen some pretty good ones, but we've also seen some really bad ones. Into your point earlier, it's generally, you know, the instances where my blood work looks good. It doesn't look alarming, but I feel terrible. What is happening? Well, they have all these parasites or bacteria overgrowth. And it's like, that has been the issue. But nobody's even thought

about going in and looking. It's like, you know, the second place will look if something, you know,

seems off, but the blood work doesn't suggest what that might be. We go and look at the gut. If it's on the blood, it's generally in the gut. We do the methyl detox that we're looking at

“the methylation genes, which I think everybody should do. You should know if you are able”

to metabolize certain vitamins and minerals. If you drink any sort of like energy drink or geterate or anything like that, they have B vitamins in them. But the type of B vitamin that's being used in these, you know, are supplement bars or whatever it is, it's not the right kind if you have this gene mutation. You're not going to actually metabolize it, right? It generally it's like, sign a cabalamin, rather than methyl cabalamin. You want the methylated version of

these B vitamins. That is very important if you have this gene mutation. Otherwise, you're not going to be able to metabolize it. You'll start having symptoms of ADHD, depression, and so on. And you know, just like crazy stuff. Well, we know people who were prescribed SSRIs just to find that they just weren't methylated. I mean, it's like they just, they were put on this drug that

is not the easiest to come off of. We're on it for years. And it was never suggested to go and do this

test to see if you're even able to metabolize these B vitamins. And so we have to undo a lot of damage that the traditional health care system has done on these people. So that's fine. Yeah, if you have the MTHFR gene. Okay. Yep. And then there's, there's a few others as well. In fact,

“yeah, you should just like look at the genetics where our genetic test is looking at”

neutral genomics. We're looking at the risk factors for cardiovascular related issues, cancer, Alzheimer's dementia as well. Yeah, neutral genomic focused. I think that's important. You should know what you are genetically. More inclined to tolerate versus otherwise. A lot of times we assume that we're eating healthy because this is like, well, this is organic. I was told this is healthy and everybody around me eats this in tolerates it well. But for whatever reason when I do,

I get inflamed or I get XMOM my arm, which is like one of my tells if I have inflammation going on. It might just be a genetic thing. But you cannot know unless you look. That's a one in done test. And honestly, everybody should have a genetic test done. It's just worth knowing. The blood work is so important. But your genetics set the defaults. And you want to know what those defaults are. It'll, it'll certainly help us, you know, create your longevity blend. And it'll tailor

our recommendations as it relates optimizing your health with that added information. And we're constantly working with labs to try to optimize, you know, our testing catalog and provide, you know, the best possible solutions on the market. We are not a writer die with any tests. We are a writer die with whatever the best is for the patient. So besides going through the results with somebody that's done Jevity testing and explaining, like, okay, this is what this means and this means. How is the

“Jevity team actually helping people change or get improvements? It goes beyond the data, right?”

The data is important. And it'd be so easy if we just hand it off an action plan and said, okay, do this and go about your day and check in with me every now and then. But there's something deeper going on in personal connection and human connection. There's something subconscious that we just may not be able to recognize, but it's there. And it's important. I want to actually have relationship with somebody. I want to be heard. I don't want to be a number. And that is where

we find like real change happens. That's where people are willing to open up and be more vulnerable about, you know, what their, what their lifestyle really looks like versus what they say it looks like,

you know, on a first initial quick visit with somebody that you don't really know. And it's like,

why am I going to get vulnerable with this person? So we want to be on this journey with you. It's not just here's your plan and go. We want to check in with you and make sure that you're doing the right things, but also making sure that our recommendations are sustainable. It's what I call the golden path to longevity. It's like, what is technically the best possible thing I can do? And what is sustainable? And you find that balance. I work a lot. I don't have time to do

a hit class three days a week and all of this other stuff, even though that might be technically

specialist to augment my plan to ensure that it actually works with my lifestyle. It could work with my lifestyle if I was willing to not see my kids after work. I'm not willing to do that. I prioritize my family, you know, more than the hit class three times a week. So you just have to find that golden path for every single individual and we're so different. It's like your life looks vastly different in the mind and vice versa. And everybody in this room, it's just we're all so different.

We have to build the plan around the individual. Nothing can be cookie cutter. Cookie cutter doesn't work. And in the modern day, there's no reason for cookie cutter. If you're getting a cookie cutter plan, all that signaling is whoever created that is lazy and they just want to say lazy provider. It's a lazy provider. How often should you get your blood work done once you start optimizing? Depending on the panel, our panel six months is totally sufficient. You can opt to do it more frequently.

“If you want to, quarterly is fine. Anything more than I think is a little overkill. In less,”

there's something that's like critically alarming. And we need to like check it immediately. That doesn't happen too often. But six months for a panel like ours is typically sufficient. Again, like I do mine quarterly. We have members who opt to do it quarterly. It's really just preference. I really like just tracking the data and making micro adjustments. But yeah, I think

minimum every six months. Jeffity helped me basically go from not ovulating to having normal

progesterone levels in about six months. So what are average doctors missing when it comes to hormones? Looking at them. It's hard to get your doctor to actually like go in and look at these things. It you'd think it would be enough to ask them, hey, I want this. Let's say, of course, yeah, it's your body. It's your health. I'll give you what you want. No, it's not that simple. The trend post-COVID of functional medicine has, I think, proven to be

more than a trend. It's been proven to be an effective approach to optimizing health. But this is not the approach that medical school teaches people. And so if I, you know, just spent all of this time in medical school, I am not going to just come out into the real world and start reading a hormone panel the same way that a functional medicine doctor is going to

“interpret a hormone panel. So I think you have to find a provider who actually understands what”

this approach the care looks like. And it's not taught. It's something that providers actually end up having to self teach or like take continued education for. Med school is going to be symptom, medication to match with symptom. Let's keep paying down. Let's keep symptoms low. And let's keep doing that until we have to see them again to, you know, swap them out as soon as this medication stops, like seases efficacy. It stops working. It's tough to find doctors who are

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insurance opt out, take your power back. This is how we win. The streets are saying that peptides are helping people burn fat. They're helping stop chronic pain. They're balancing hormones even slowing aging. Is that actually true? Yeah, it's actually true. We've been into peptides for a while. I like to say, before they were cool, we were doing peptides because we're so about the science peptides for those who don't know, they're just strings of proteins. Just strings of

amino acids, properly sequenced in a very specific way to carry out specific functions in the body. Just like supplements are a categorization of vitamins, minerals, and all these other things in drugs and pharmaceuticals are a categorization as well. Yeah, peptides, it's just a categorization. What are the top peptides out there? And what do they actually do? Let's start with BPC-157. If you have inflammation, maybe you have some like puffiness in your face that you just cannot

seem to get rid of. Try BPC-157. I promise you, like, there's a good chance of inflammation and it will come down on you. Yeah, I heard rave reviews. Everyone I know in my life that's taken BPC-157 is like this has changed everything for me. For sure. Well, it's doing a

few things. It's creating something called angiogenesis, which is basically your body is creating

new capillaries, new small little blood vessels, in areas where there's damage tissue. So what's happening in doing that is it's actually sending more blood flow to that area, while simultaneously upregulating your nitric oxide. And, you know, those two things are happening in parallel, it's getting more blood flow to any area that you have in your body that's sort of damage tissue. And that's where the healing benefits tend to happen. You can take this subcutaneous injection

or you can take it as an oral sort of like supplement capsule, which is great for health and gut inflammation. It's also going to increase the sensitivity of your growth hormone receptors. So this is something that not a lot of people know about BPC-157. We all have growth hormone, as we age, our growth hormone goes down. And it's in our best interest to ensure that our receptors are sensitive, because then we're going to be maximum efficient with actually

utilizing this growth hormone that's circulating in our body. Another great one is GHKCU.

“If you want to look good, if you want your skin to glow, this is in a stack that a lot of people”

refer to as a glow stack, which actually includes BPC-157, GHKCU, and another one called TB-500. Your skin, your hair, your nails, all of it. I had people telling me like my gram on law on a random day was like, you are glowing honey, what's going on? I'm like, it's the GHKCU. You have to try it. CJC-1295 with Epimerellin is fantastic for growth hormone. You might say, well, you know, I'm not a bodybuilder. I don't care about that. Well, if you care about having good skin

or nails or thick hair, if you care about having energy or maintaining muscle mass, to have good metabolic function. If you care about those things, you should be caring about growth hormone because growth hormone is much more than just a bodybuilding compound. Yes, the skin hair nails, that's important, but also losing body fat while simultaneously putting on muscle, not in a crazy way like you see people who abuse steroids do. It's obviously

you still have to take time and it's like a more natural approach to this process. But you will lose body fat while simultaneously increasing your muscle mass. Another one might see, if you care

like MOTC is a tremendous peptide. It's going to increase your brain drive neurotropic

factor. It's going to sort of mimic the positive effects that you get through working out. MOTC is like working out in a peptide just without like the muscle building benefits. You get the

“metabolic in the cognitive health pieces, but you don't have to be sore. You should so work out.”

That's not a substitute to work out. But these are really helpful tools to have in the bag in their proteins. There's several more. If you're into cognitive enhancement, I know I am. I love optimizing my cognitive health. There's two peptides. I would recommend sea lane can see max. This is going to just get the cognitive gears sort of spinning a little bit more. It's increasing your brain drive neurotropic factor. It's going to optimize your neurotransmitters

and like how those are firing off. Somebody should have given MOTC Joe Biden. Oh, seriously, right? He had access to all these things. No, but you know, he's a pro the traditional medical system. He probably doesn't even know about these things. So what is the FDA doing when it comes to peptides? Are they opening things up? Are they really cracking down? Well, they did crack down in 2023 and in 2023 and 2024, they put them on what's

called the category two list. The don't compound list. So compounding pharmacies are something we should all be supportive of because it's a big, okay, this is maybe a little harsh, but I'll just say anyway. It's like a middle finger to big pharmaceutical. It's we want to democratize drugs. We don't want to gatekeep and we don't want to like give you all the profits and let's you just like create more drugs that people don't need. We want to like make these things accessible. So we

start compounding these. They tend to compound things like peptides and hormone replacement therapy, like the effective ones. Well, you don't see them compounding or you know, a lot of the like mental health related drugs because you know, a lot of that can be fixed in other ways. So in 2023, the FDA cracked down and they said, well, you can't compound these anymore because we're worried they're not safe. Well, there's a lot of evidence that suggests they are safe.

In fact, there's an overwhelming lack of evidence to suggest otherwise. So why are they cracking down? Well, you know, this is where the GOP1 crazed started really picking up. And it just so happens that the growth hormone releasing hormone peptides, the CJC upper merrellins, the sremoralins, so on and so forth are really effective at not only losing weight, but also putting on muscle simultaneously. So you know, that's like the conspiracy part of me that that wants to

suggest that the two are aligned, but it was odd timing. Well, recently, we got word that they will be taking them off of the category two list, putting them back on the category one list. So compounding pharmacies can compound them, which is a good thing. Because what ended up happening was people went to research chemical companies. They were buying these these peptides online because they knew they worked. They were their doctor was prescribing them before, but they can't

anymore because, you know, the pharmacies are unable to make them, it's hard to find a pharmacy that will.

And there's no regulations if you're buying a line I'm guessing. There's none. I mean, the first

tourists. Yeah, no, I mean, people just grew a horse head. I make that up, but maybe well, I know somebody personally who ended up their their liver started just like failing on them.

“And it's why are you running the risk? It's not worth it. So that's what that's what the deal”

on peptides are. It's a huge win for the health of Americans. And what I think is going to happen is big pharmaceutical usage, like their drugs, it's going to decline peptides and supplementation and just lifestyle intervention. Like, let's start with the basics, nutrition, like activity, stress management, sleep, then supplementation, then peptides. This is going to keep increasing. Big pharmaceutical companies are going to keep fighting it. They're going to keep

suing the compounding pharmacies. That's what's happening right now. You see it all the time. It's like on the headlines, Eli Lilly Sioux's, you know, XYZ compounding pharmacy for compounding turns up a tide. It's like, this is nonsense. What the signals is, it's just profit maximum maximization. It's not, let's make America healthy again. Do we know the long term effects of taking peptides for years? These proteins have existed in our body for a long time. It's like,

it's like asking, do we know the long term effects of taking hormone replacement therapy for a long, you know, a lot of years? I know the long term effects of having testosterone. I know the effects of having low testosterone as well. It is testosterone placement therapy, something that's

“been, you know, researched for over a prolonged period of time, right? Not really, but I think we”

always have to use common sense here. It's like the scientific community while important. They

do you think that GLP ones are fixing metabolic issues or are they just suppressing appetites? Two things can be true. I think that GLP ones are widely misused. I think they are done largely in a way that is not the most safe way, I'd say, to like put it gracefully, but I am not like anti GLP ones. Are you guys prescribing GLP ones to people? Yeah, but not like a lot of the companies who just hand them out like their candy. In fact, oftentimes our use case for GLP ones are not even

predominantly totally weight loss focus. You can actually micro dose GLP ones and you can actually see cognitive benefits from that. I mean, these are in trials right now for Alzheimer's or like additionally, if somebody just comes to us in a very vulnerable state and they might have some sort of addiction. GLP ones have been shown to actually combat that and that's something that is just not talked about enough. They're pretty much like the world sees them as a weight loss drug.

And while I may be true, there's other use case outside of that if you micro dose some, it's just one. It's not as profitable to micro dose them because you're just not selling

“as many GLP ones. I think that for the right person in the right situation, it could be the best thing.”

I suspect a lot of people on GLP ones do not fall into that bucket. Can you test for glyphosate levels in your body? And if yes, what can you do about it? Yes, you can. In fact, we have a test for that. It'll be our Enviro Talks test that we offer at Jevity and it's a little test kit. To detox from that, it's going to be unique, you know, according to the individual. Just like all the protocols are, there's not really a cookie cutter sort of approach, but

we want to get your liver working as best as it possibly could. So we're obviously going to add liver support to your supplement blend. Also, like the precursors to, you know, glutathione. So, you know, we're going to add an AC to your supplement blend. Alpha Lipoic acid or ALLA is

going to be supportive of that as well. We just want to basically get your natural, like detox

system optimized, so you can get this, you know, this out of your body, this poison. I mean, essentially is what it is, out of your body and stuff. And I mean, that also can come for free with movement in your everyday life. There's natural ways to detox, right? You're sweating, you're peeing, you're pooping. So people don't move enough. They're not sweating enough. They're, you know, go to a sauna, or if you live in Arizona, like us, you can just sit outside this week.

So, I mean, there's other things to, even the supplements are great. But also, like, we need to be, there's so many toxins that we're exposed to in our everyday environment. And we do, we're too sedentary as Americans. And so these toxins are not able to move through our bodies the way that they should. And so a lot of us are getting sick or experiencing different,

you know, high toxic levels because of that supplementation is never a substitute to movement.

There's no such thing as a magic drug or a magic pill. There's some very helpful useful, like supplements or peptides. But none of it is going to be a replacement for what our bodies were designed to do in the first place, which is move and be active. Go outside, breathe fresh air, sweat. A lot of people will go a long time without sweating. That's like crazy to me. I can only imagine what their helps look like. The scientific community, the biohacker community,

the longevity community. We love to over complicate things. We love to act like this won't get you 90 percent of the way there. Good sleep, good stress management, good activity, good nutrition.

“If you need to move the needle more, that's where supplementation peptides, the other things come”

into play. Yep. Yep. But it's never a substitute. Are we underestimating how much environmental

toxins like glyphosate can actually affect hormones? Well, it's not even being looked at. It's not really even being considered. They will ask if you're getting your hormones looked at, like how often are you working out, how often are you moving? Well, a lot, you know, and like my hormones are still jacked up. It's rarely asked, are you buying organic foods or are you just like buying, you know, the cheapest fruits, you know, at the Walmart? Like what you put in your body matters,

and also organic food is not totally safe either. It's like there's been some smaller studies on it, but still there's like research on it that there's still pesticides on even organic foods. Maybe not to the same extent that you'll find on non-organic foods, but it's still something that like you need to, you need to be active. You need to have like your detox system working.

“I think in modern society and overdrive, like maybe not overdrive, but you need to really prioritize”

detoxing. And detoxing isn't a juice cleanse. I think that's what a lot of people think detoxing is.

really, really good at getting bad stuff out of it to do that. You just so happen to have to eat well

and work out. And P.P. Pupu. And yes, you don't stop that. Don't stop that. That's important. People should be looking into it more. I know that something that we're looking into. Also the products that you use in your house matter a lot like the candles you light, the stuff you spray on your countertop to clean it off. Not enough men care about this. Well, not enough people care about it period, but yes, certainly not men. If you walk into an environment and you're just like hit with this wall of smell,

I would probably not stick around in that environment too long because that's just, you know,

“I think that's going to be more indicative of an environment that has these”

endocrine disruptors, like just really floating in the air. And we just want to avoid that. If we can, we should. And we talk about something that I think is deeply misunderstood, you think your house is clean because it smells like a hospital. Well, that's the metric, right? You walk in. It's like, wow, lemon, chemicals, a light hint of clinical depression, perfect. Meanwhile, you're wiping your counters down with the lights while wipes like your

decontaminating a crime scene and then you're making a sandwich on that surface. And no one's asking what that is doing to you because conventional cleaning products are loaded with synthetic fragrances, preservatives, endocrine disruptors stuff that messes with your hormones, your skin, your air quality. We just casually spray it everywhere like it's holy water. You're eating it.

You're breathing it. You're living in it. And then people are like, I don't know why I'm always

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“couple years of full body MRI. It's a tool that everybody should be doing. However, you should”

also work in a full body MRI at least every couple years because look, it's just not worth the risk.

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It's, I would recommend that for some people. I mean, it's gotten pretty affordable now, I think.

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she's ever had extensive blood work looked at at all. You work in the tech space, also the health care

“space. How do you see AI impacting how health care works in America in the next five years?”

So I think we're going to see a trend of people trying to replace the human component from health with AI. I think that is going to be a trend that fades out. I think AI is a force multiplier and really nothing more than that. It can allow, I think, a team of experts to do what a team of 100 experts could do today. Like, if they're using AI, I think it's a force multiplier. It's not a replacement. And I think it's going to do wonders. I think it's going to be great. However,

there's a caveat. Like, you can't trust these big tech companies. I'll say that flat out.

I would be scared to run my blood work through, like, chat GPT. Not everybody is scared of that, that's fine. But I kind of understand how these big tech companies work and what they're doing with the data and what their intentions are and their intentions are not anything other than let's absorb all the value that like we possibly can that man creates and have our AI created instead at all costs. It is let's put my AI before the needs of humans and that's a huge

problem. So there's hope. There are people out there that are building AI that are doing it with the right motives with intentionality and putting the human before the AI. And that's important. AI is not stopping. There is no stopping this freight train. It's left a station. You cannot put enough friction in front of this train to slow it down. It is coming and it's not going to slow

“down. In fact, it's going to speed up. The best thing you can do is support the companies who are”

actually trying to do this properly, who are not overly ambitious and trying to just take over the world with their AI, be skeptical of those people. Find people who are using it in a way that you're comfortable with. I don't think it's going to replace human connection. There's something deeper there. So I think that the people who win in healthcare are the people who have incentives that align with keeping people healthier for longer, who are relational with people and who are

using AI as a force multiplier. It's way easier to assess 100 different biomarkers across various physiological systems with genetics, with your wearable metrics, with your medical history. It's way easier to do that using AI as an assistant than spending hours upon hours trying to do that

yourself just to probably miss something. If nothing else, it's a second set of eyes that really

help speed up the process and can allow you to go deeper than you otherwise would be able to. So I'm pro AI, but I'm not pro a lot of the players in AI. How are you sourcing the medical professionals that work for Jevity that are helping people understand their biomarkers and their blood work? It's not the easiest thing to do. I'll tell you that. We've got to interview a lot of people all the time and be very particular about who we

bring on the team. We have a small team. I like that way. I think that having a small team is a lot better because you have a little bit more oversight and you're able to see and know everybody and what their belief system is. And if they ideologically align with you and your take on, you know, how medicine should and should not be practiced or, you know, different things about

“nutrition. So, and so forth, you've got to do a proper due diligence. You have to like ask them”

the provocative questions that seems like they're really not provocative, but, you know, they seem like they are these days, you know, about health. And also tests are understanding. Like, what are the differences between, look, like polyensaturated fatty acids are a problem. But I think also like high saturated fats could be a different problem. They wouldn't be the same problem. Do you know this? And do you know why? And tell me why?

And can you tell me why better than like I could tell you why? Yeah, we've got to like do a proper due diligence. Ask them the hard questions. Ask them the questions that they know if they went and voices on social media about half the world would, you know, like tune them out. How much does gravity actually cost? It's a semi-annual or annual plan. And our membership is 899 every six months. And you can actually pay, you know, a year up front. And that's 15% off.

Or you can just dip your toes and try it out and, you know, sort of go all the cart,

When you want to start saving a bit more money on the supplements, when you want the, you know,

the reoccurring blood work, which we should all be doing. And you just want simplicity. If you want like your longevity on autopilot, and you want like the team in your back pocket to help you on your journey, then you do our plus membership. The plus membership is what most people end up doing. People who sign up for gravity are they any people leave. People just stick around because it actually works. The free version, you get what? The free version, you just get a sign up. And

if you want blood work all a cart, or if you want a GI math ball a cart, or genetics all a cart, you can buy that one off. Okay. So you can just buy a Dutch test. But then what you're not getting is the team to help you understand what your results even mean. Right. Which is where we

“talk about getting into the sketchy areas. If you want to take this to your natural path or your”

functional medicine doctor, feel free to. If you want the, you know, the recommendations on supplementation, we'll give you that. And you guys also help with nutrition plans. If people need that, other lifestyle changes that they should make. It's not only supplements. Like you're doing the whole gamut. Correct. Nutrition, fitness related lifestyle, stress management, the plus membership. Yep. The plus membership. And then what changes on the Jevody app starting in April?

I haven't slept in like way too long. Kind of like, you know, I'm still sleeping just as much as I normally would be because we've rebuilt the whole application from the ground up for like, you know,

now I think the third time. But with each iteration, we just listen to our, our members. And

we hear their feedback. What they like about this, what they don't like about this. And there's an urgency to deliver on that. So over the past couple of months, we've been rebuilding the application.

“And yeah, there's going to be just a lot more, I think, engaging features. We're actually going”

to be doing like daily check-ins. We're going to be doing more of a guided journey. We're going to be more intentional about how we how we do our outreach and how we check in with you. In like, at a sense of gamification, rewards you for, you know, like good adherence to your supplements. You know, it's like, we should, well, it's a mystery box. So we totally, so what do you mean like a massage? I mean, it could be a sick Jevody hat. It could be a discount.

The idea of like actually rewarding people for their health, like for good health outcomes, has been something we talked about since the earliest days of Jevody. It seems like counterintuitive or antithetical to like business to like reward people and take away from your bottom line and doing that. But to me, it's like so obvious, you're doing well. You for sure should be rewarded

for that. Like this should be the first system that exists that actually rewards you for

having positive health change. What do they get with my discount code, Alex? 20% off the first purchase. So that if you, it's semi-annual. It'll be off the first six months or if it's annual, it'll be off the first year. So 20%. If you could offer one remedy to heal a sick culture, physically emotionally or spiritually, what would it be? Jesus, your Bible, opening your Bible. What is the most recent thing that God has been teaching you? I went to go see months ago,

Erica, speak with Adam Megan Kelly event, where she announced the book that you know, Charlie wrote about honoring the Sabbath. And several times since that event, you know, I found myself working on a Sunday and just like in passing people telling me honor of the Sabbath. And it's something that I've been convicted about, um, that I have not been, I don't think I've been listening to that conviction. I am now, or at least I'm trying to.

But there's something deep that is very hard to explain about honoring the Sabbath. And it's something that it's so easy not to. It's so easy for me and my life it is. So easy to during that time, when the kiddos are down for nap to pop over to the office, the office is like five minutes from a house. So and spend a few hours in work, but being alone in present with God and without distraction, um, sort of unplugged from society,

“and having that dedicated time to rest is so important. And are you Jewish? Not Jewish.”

You're a reformed Christian. I was putting that out there to clarify some people was like he's Jewish. He's not. No, no. You know, it's like, and then also there's like the non-religious common sense. Like we need a half button. Yes. Like we need to just disconnect for a little bit. It isn't that so much of what the wisdom and the Bible is. You know, as I get older and I'm just thinking about, you know, different principles in the Bible, it's common sense. It's like these are not rules to

be like, because God just has fun, like telling you what to do or what you can do. It's genuinely to make us better. It's just, you know, you realize that isn't a adult. We love to like find

in a way where we weren't designed to understand the intention and the meaning behind the messages of, you know, what was written. It was designed to be digestible and to be living and breathing and to be true. You don't have to have a certain IQ to understand what the Bible is saying. These are common sense sort of principles that just so happened to be very easy to forget in the

“real world. I think society really wants to pull you away from these things. You have to be proactive.”

You have to be like constantly battling the world and it's so easy to succumb to it. But, yeah, I mean, that's like the challenge, right? That's the journey we're on for the rest of our life. We're not going to to solve that one until we're, you know, home. What is the website

to sign it for Jebady? Go Jebady.com, G-O-G-E-V-I-T-I. Use code Alex for 20% off your first six months

“or one year, depending on what you choose, get your blood worked on and also to the wives listening,”

tell your husband to grow a pair and get his blood worked on. Make sure that he still has hair. Hey, this could be a great father's day gift. I mean, I know we're a couple months out, but people, oh my gosh, it's like, I feel like I get that question 100 times over there. Why should I get my husband? Why should I get my husband? I need you to get, get him Jebady, get his blood worked on. That's a great idea. I'm going to have your husband's DM me, like,

why did you say this one in August? Look, I'm not kidding. Your husband needs to know what's happening. Let's live off to my sit together. Thank you for coming on Culture Poetry Nate. Thanks for having me. What has been the most difficult part of a health transformation journey to get your family

on board with? Don't forget to use code [email protected] for 20% off your entire first purchase.

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