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I'm Lester Holt, it's April 30th, and here's what's on our docket.

In California, a man is heading to trial for allegedly murdering his wife. After investigators say he paid a spellcaster to put a hex honor. He paid hundreds of dollars for dozens of these types of spells or hexes to be cast. In Date Line Roundup, Jake Reiner, the son of legendary Hollywood director Rob Reiner, and producer Michelle Singer Reiner shares his story for the first time since their murders.

And nearly 20 years after the murder of Rapstar, Jam Master Jay, there is a surprise plea. Bryant told the judge, "I knew that what I was doing was wrong and a crime." Los Andria talks to NBC's Ellison Barber about allegedly. Her new video podcast on Netflix digs deep into some of the most high-profile cases in True

Crime. It's partly as like part a story of this case that you're curious about, and in part long-form interview. But before all that, we're off to Florida, and a story that has captured attention across the country, the disappearance of two college students.

Teen University of South Florida graduates students are missing this morning, and investigators are asking for your help to find that. This week, there was a big break in the case. Two weeks ago on the morning of April 16th, the Header Bristy, a doctoral student at the University of South Florida, called her parents' back home in Bangladesh.

It was the last time her family ever heard from her. A few days later, the University Police Department announced that the Header's family had reported her missing, and she wasn't the only student who vanished. The Header's friend, Jamiel Lamone, was missing too. On Friday, came the devastating news, Jamiel's body had been found about twenty-five

miles from campus on the Howard Frank Land Bridge, and a man who was taken into custody in charge with killing not just Jamiel, but in the Header too.

Who was the alleged killer, and how did he know them?

Joining me now to bring us up to speed on this fast-moving investigation is NBC News correspondent Jesse Kirsch, Jesse Thanks for being here. That's great to be with you. So to start, tell us about these two young people, what do we know about them? Jamiel Lamone and Nehide Bristy were both twenty-seven years old, both doctoral students

at the University of South Florida. Nehide was studying chemical engineering, Jamiel was studying geography, environmental science, and policy. I had the chance to speak with both of their brothers, and both made it clear, their siblings would not just go vanish without telling anybody.

He'd never do that, never do something like this, never put our family to this pain and

everything. And it wasn't just their family who noticed something was wrong. People close to the students began to raise red flags, we understand. Yeah, we've learned a whole bunch of information from a filing from prosecutors from over the weekend, and one of the things we learned is that according to prosecutors, a friend

of Nehide and Jamiel tried calling both of them the day they vanished, and neither a friend picked up. Two days later on, a Saturday, Jamiel is supposed to have a thesis appointment. His brother says he was very serious about his studies, but he doesn't show up. At the same time, police went to Nehide's office on her campus, and her brother tells

me her lunchbox, her laptop, her iPad, and a bag. We're all still at her office. Effectively, like she just left in the middle of the work day and left all of her stuff behind.

Yeah, that sounds very alarming.

I know a university police were seeking help from wherever they could get at the contact

at local police, the Hillsboro County Sheriff's Office, and their officers began interviewing anyone who might have information, who might know more. Yeah, according to what prosecutors filed, we know that detectives early on are talking to Jamiel's two roommates, and in particular, prosecutors are focusing on one of these roommates, 26-year-old Hasham Abu Garbiyah.

Hasham winds up becoming desuspect in this case, and according to prosecutors, Hasham told the detectives he does not know where Jamiel is, he doesn't know where Nehide is. But at the same time, in that early interaction, detectives notice that Hasham has a cut on his left pinky finger.

He says it's from cutting onions, but he also couldn't remember what he had been cooking.

So, Jesse, according to investigators, if I understand it, the real breakthrough in their case was when they took a closer look at Hasham's movements around the time the students disappeared. Yeah, that's right, Leicester. According to the filing we have from prosecutors, police tracked the suspect's car and

Jamiel's phone, and they were in the same area around the same time twice, and according

to the filing from prosecutors, the suspect told police that the victims had never been

in his car, that he never went to that area, then he said, "Okay, I went to the area to find fishing spots," and then he said that Jamiel had asked the suspect to drive Jamiel and his girlfriend to that area, and he says, "He dropped them off and left." So, the story from the suspect, according to investigators, keeps changing. So, as they keep investigating, detectives get a warrant to search the suspect's phone.

And they find a lot of data about where his phone went, and one of the places that the suspect's phone went was the Howard Franklin Bridge, and that is more than 10 miles from Jamiel's apartment. The prosecutors say the phone stopped at specific coordinates on the bridge, and police went to that very spot.

And then the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office held a press conference to announce what they found.

I am heartbroken to announce the discovery of human remains discovered on the Howard Franklin

Bridge earlier this morning. Just now, those remains were positively identified to the meal. But there was still no sign of Nehida. No sign of her whatsoever, and police made clear, they were still asking for the public's help to find her.

And again, I implore the community if you have any tips of where you've seen or or she's just recently seen, please report it immediately. Do we know how Jamiel died? According to the filing from prosecutors, he had been stabbed numerous times, and his cause of death was homicide by, quote, "multiple sharp force injuries."

Yeah, and in a motion found by prosecutors over the weekend, we learn that investigators found what they believe is evidence of some kind of violent encounter at their apartment. According to prosecutors, investigators found substantial blood evidence at the apartment shared between the suspect and Jamiel. Russell learning that his shop's phone showed potentially incriminating searches, which prosecutors

are saying suggest these murderers were premeditated. Right.

One of the potential key pieces of evidence here is that according to prosecutors, three days

before Jamiel and Nehida disappeared. The suspect allegedly asked CATGPT about putting a human in a black garbage bag and throwing them in a dumpster, then according to prosecutors, the chatbot said that sounded dangerous, and the suspect allegedly replied, quote, "How would they find out?" When Nehida tells us, "In part, we're looking into these reports, and we'll do whatever

we can to support law enforcement in their investigation." So his shop was arrested last Friday, and we should say his shop has denied any involvement in the murders, and has yet to enter a plea to the charges against him. But is there anything more we know about him at this time, Jesse, and why he would allegedly do this?

So we've reached out to his attorney as attorney says they don't have a comment on this case, but there are some questions about his history, according to that filing from prosecutors, investigators talked with the suspect's mother, and she says that her son has a history of struggling to manage his anger and has been violent with family.

And what about his shop's relationship with Jamiel and Nehida?

Were they close at all? It's not clear if the suspect and Jamiel were friends if they had any history together. Yeah, this is a curious one, Jesse. Thanks very much. We'll certainly be watching as this case continues. We appreciate your spendings of time with us. Anytime.

Coming up, a naval optician is heading to trial for the alleged murder of his wife. The prosecution's case includes surveillance tape and spells.

He was a young marine.

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If you were at Mount San Miguel Park on January 17, 2026, you would have seen hundreds of people in lime green shirts, each printed with a face of Miami a day. It's just really hard to see somebody so beautiful, so bobby, and she's just bad, she's just gone. The gathering marked five years since Maya, a 39-year-old mother of three vanished from her chulavista home, just days before a planned family trip for her daughter's birthday.

Maya's family says they knew something was wrong almost immediately when she stopped responding to text messages. They organized searches and vigils, but there was no trace of

her. Then nine months after she went missing, even though her body has never been found,

Maya's husband, Larry, was arrested and charged with her murder. He has pleaded not guilty. Recently a jury screening got underway in preparation for Larry's trial next month, here to break it all down for us as nbc7 investigative producer Mike Dorfman, Mike. We appreciate

you being here. Absolutely, sir. Let's start with Maya. Who was she?

Well, I think you could call out a story of young love. Maya and Larry married pretty young in Hawaii. She was 19. He was 18, and they really built a life together here in San Diego County. They both worked for the U.S. Navy as an administrative specialist for the Naval Information Warfare Center, and Larry worked as an optician, the Naval Medical Center. When did her family start to think that something had actually happened to her? She's very

close to her siblings. So within a day of her not responding to messages, they're very concerned. They're going over to the house to find out why she's not responding. They find Larry there. He tells them she's upstairs in the bedroom. That door is locked. They try to get in and we're able to force entry into there into that bedroom, but she was not inside. At the time, Larry told them that, oh, I believe that she probably went for

a hike or maybe she's out with friends, but within a day after that home visit, Maya's sister is making a phone call to the police to officially report her missing. This case actually landed on deadlines radar just a few days after Maya disappeared. We featured it in our missing in America series and reached out to Larry. He told us he hoped our coverage would help bring Maya home. What we didn't know is that behind the scenes investigators

were already building a case. How did this investigation turn into a case against him?

The arrest affidavit lays out what led investigators to zero in on him specifically. They said that they interviewed 87 different witnesses and quickly learned that the marriage had been understrain for some time for months. One witness in particular told investigators that Maya described instance of physical abuse, including one particular accusation that Larry wants choked her until she lost consciousness. The day before she disappeared,

Maya texted a friend saying, "I'm filing for divorce whether he likes it or not. I'm done trying to make things amicable for the kids." Do investigators think that Larry knew about her plans to split? They certainly do. They say that Larry was closely tracking Maya's movements. Also accusing him at one point of planting a cell phone in her car, showing up at her workplace because he suspected that she was having a fair and had plans to leave

him. An investigators say Larry took some unusual steps in response to his suspicions that

Maya might be leaving, including reaching out to so-called spellcasters.

a spellcaster? Something that I also was wholly unfamiliar with before I started working

on this particular story. According to investigators, these are people and provide a specific service online to create charm spells that benefit your life or hexes against the people that you don't like. And they said for Larry, he paid hundreds of dollars for dozens of these types of spells or hexes to be cast. For him, they started out really focused on his own marriage. He wanted to get Maya to fall back and love with him. He wanted to make the relationship

be repaired so that they could live happily together. Later on, some of the messages start to reflect his frustration with that not happening. And it gets pretty dark. In December of 2020, he allegedly asked whether Maya could be hexton some way, that would cost her harm. Essentially, he wanted to incapacitate her in some way so that she would be wholly dependent on him for care. On January 7th, the day that Maya was last seen, investigators

say he sent multiple messages to spellcasters, including one that said, "I think she wants

me to snap." And quote, "I'm shaking inside ready to snap." So allegedly, lots of tension building up before Maya disappeared. But what do investigators think actually happened that night? There are case stands upon this circumstantial evidence. And some of it has a lot to do with surveillance video, some from the neighbors around their home in Chulavista. So according to that arrest affidavit, the video shows Maya arriving back at the home that

evening. And investigators say they did not find any footage of her leaving after that. It was really the last time she's been recorded alive. The same footage from that neighbor surveillance camera recorded nine loud banging sounds just right before 10pm that night. To be clear, we don't know for sure what those bangs were. Investigators consulted with the FBI who could not determine if they were gunshots or not. Mike, what did investigators

learn about Larry's were about to round the time Maya went missing on January 7th?

Uh, there's a lot of question marks. That's for sure. Investigators say he didn't report

to work on January 8th, 9th or 10th. The days after Maya disappeared, he claimed he'd gone to the beach with his son. But investigators say they just really couldn't confirm that.

The question that Larry meate was arrested on charges at first degree murder and a legal

possession of an assault weapon. He pleaded not guilty and remains behind bars. Your team actually sat down with him in 2023. Tell us about that. It was interesting. It took place over two different recorded interviews. And it was kind of odd from the outset because he didn't want his whole face to be shown. He seemed concerned over whether the things that he would be talking to us about would be used against him

by prosecutors. But he did stress repeatedly that he was innocent, but he really wasn't able to provide a lot of answers to a lot of very specific questions and punted repeatedly. Here's Larry talking to NBT7 investigative reporter Alexis Revis.

I know you've told me you think she's still alive. Is that still true?

Yes, ma'am, but I'm kind of the guy that's like a preferred or best preferred or worse. Where did you go for 12 hours with your cell phone turned off the day after my advantage? Again, I'd rather not answer that question. We've talked a lot about the evidence prosecutors say they have against him. Do we know yet what the main defense points will be?

I think like a lot of defense attorneys, the name of the game for them is injecting as much doubt. Are they going to focus on what's missing? No body, no murder weapon, and really no direct forensic evidence that's linking Larry to the killing. And last week, the defense attacked the prosecutor directly accusing your of misconduct. Tell us about that.

Yeah, last Friday, the defense filed a 29-page motion accusing the prosecutor of eliciting false testimony from witnesses during the preliminary hearing. The defense has essentially asked not only for the case to be thrown out, but barring that, they want to replace the prosecution's team with the California Attorney General's office. That would be just a major change in what's been happening. Could delay the trial by a year more.

That's happening this week. So we'll find out what a judge will rule. Either way, the trial is still on the books scheduled for May 11. We'll see if that changes. Well, Mike, we really appreciate you coming on and walking us through where this stands will certainly be following this case closely. All right, sir. Thank you.

Next, it's time for Dateline Roundup. A New Jersey businessman convicted of a quadriple homicide calls out the judge at his trial. And Jake Reiner, son of slain Hollywood director

Rob Reiner, shares his story for the first time. Plus, Andrea previews allegedly, a new video

Podcast on Netflix about the true crime cases you can't stop talking about.

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for full offer terms and details. Welcome back, everyone. Joining me for this week's Roundup is Dateline Field Producer

Alex Lowray. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having me. First up, we're going to head

to Los Angeles for updates in the case of Nick Reiner, the son of legendary Hollywood director

Rob Reiner and producer Michelle Singer Reiner. What's the latest on this one, Alex?

As you remember, Lester, Rob and Michelle Reiner were found stabbed to death in their Brentwood home in December. The double homicide stunt people around the country who are fans of Rob Reiner's movies and the couple's charitable work. Even more shocking was the identity of their alleged killer. Their younger son Nick, who was arrested within hours of their bodies being discovered. Nick has pleaded knock guilty to charges of murder and

he's being held without bail. We've been hearing bits and pieces about Nick, since his arrest, but the public really hasn't heard much from the other two Reiner children, Jake and their daughter, Romi. But that changed last week when Jake shared a personal essay on Substack. What did he say, Alex? Yeah, so his essay touched on his experience learning about his parents' murders. He wrote, "My world as I knew it had collapsed. I was in a

trans. I needed to figure out what the hell just happened." He goes on to say that he was robbed

of so many things that day and that this is truly my living nightmare. Did he say anything

about his brother, Nick? He did, though he never mentioned Nick's name. He wrote, "Sure,

any loss of a parent is devastating, but nothing compares to losing both of them at the same time." And on top of that, having your brother be at the center of it, it's almost too impossible to process. Jake ended his essay asking for love and compassion the same principles my parents lived by. Well, for our next story, we're going to head to New Jersey where the stakes were high at a Monmouth County courthouse last week for Paul Canero. He's the businessman

convicted in February of murdering his brother Keith's wife and two children. In a plot, prosecutors said was motivated by greed and desperation. Alex remind us what happened here. Lester, in addition to murdering his brother's family, Paul Canero, was also convicted of setting fire to his brother's house and his own in attempt to cover his tracks. What did the prosecution say the motive was here? So prosecutors said that Paul was in serious debt and that

his brother Keith, who was also his business partner, was threatening to cut him off financially. That day before the murderers Keith confronted Paul about stealing money from a trust that he managed for Keith. And instead of explaining what happened to the money, Paul can cock to to plan to murder his brother's family. After Paul Canero was convicted his team immediately filed a motion requesting a new trial. And the arguments were a little unusual.

They pointed the finger at the judge for turning the jury against Paul. In their brief,

they wrote that Judge Lamu was often impatient and critical and hostile towards the defense.

In contrast, they argue that his demeanor toward the jury was light-hearted. He often made jokes or engaged in banter. And the defense wrote that the jury adopted the judge's unfavorable feelings towards defense and it meant that Paul couldn't get a fair trial. Well, Paul and his

defense team appeared before Judge Lamu last week. They hear what he had to say. What did he decide?

Judge Lamu said he didn't show hostility towards Canero's defense team. And ultimately concluded that the trial was fair and said the jury's weren't influenced by anything other than the evidence presented. What's next then? We move ahead to sentencing. Yeah, so Paul Canero's sentencing is scheduled for May 19th. He faces a max of life in prison without the possibility of parole. And he can still appeal his conviction. Well, for our final story this week, we're going

to head to Brooklyn, New York for a big update in a case that made headlines in both the world of true crime and pop culture. I'm talking about the 2002 murder former run DMC member, Jam Master J. His real name was Jason Mazzell. Alex first off for listeners who don't know Mazzell's work. He was a pretty big deal in the music world. Yeah, Mazzell began working with hip-hop group run DMC in the 80s and help produce some of their biggest hits like the song It's Tricky.

He also mentored artists like 50 cent.

Queen's studio and what prosecutors say was a killing over a drug deal. No one was prosecuted for the crime until nearly two decades later in 2020 when two men were charged with his death. Both were later convicted, but one had his conviction overturned. But the news this week is about

an entirely different defendant, a third man. Exactly. So in 2023, prosecutors indicted a third

person in Mazzell's murder, a man named Jay Brian. They said that he knew the murder was going to happen and that he opened the door to the studio to let the men in who eventually killed Mazzell. Brian initially pleaded knock guilty to a murder charge, but on Monday he changed his tune and pleaded guilty to being an accomplice in Mazzell's murder. There were no cameras allowed inside of the courtroom, but Brian told the judge, "I helped him kill Jason Mazzell. I knew a gun was going to

be used to shoot Jason Mazzell. I knew that what I was doing was wrong and a crime."

Do you have any idea why he decided to change his plea and what's next in the case for Brian?

He didn't say why at the hearing and his lawyer declined to comment after the fact, he's now facing 15 to 20 years in prison. All right, well thanks for all these updates, Alex, we appreciate it. Sure thing, thanks for having me, Lester. For our final story this week, Andrea has a sneak peek of allegedly. This is allegedly. A brand new video podcast on Netflix hosted by our NBC News colleague,

Ellison Barber, and produced by NBC News Studios. New episodes drop every Wednesday and if you love true crime, you won't want to miss it. Here's Andrea. Hi, everyone. I'm really excited to talk to our next guest, Ellison Barber. You've probably seen her reporting from the frontlines in Ukraine or Gaza covering some of the world's most intense conflicts. But now she's taking on a very different kind of story. It turns out Ellison, like me, like many of you listening, has a passion

for true crime. So every week, in her new podcast, allegedly, Ellison and a guest will be digging

into a case that's either making headlines right now or people just can't stop talking about it.

There'll be scouring case files and court records for evidence you've probably never seen before,

and angles you might not have thought of, and breaking it all down in smart, unfiltered conversations. The first episode focuses on a case I know very well. The murder of 22-year-old blogger Gabby Petito. Ellison and her team got their hands on some new depositions from a civil suit connected to the case. We'll get into what they uncovered in a minute. But first, Ellison, welcome to Date Line True Crime Weekly. Hey, Andrea, thank you so much for having me. Of course,

we're so excited about allegedly. All right. So Ellison, tell me, how did you get interested in True Crime? What led you down this path? I've always been an avid watcher and avid listener of stories related to crime, true crime, the criminal justice system, all of that. But like, I don't know if you ever feel the same, but like one of the things that kind of sounds cheesy, but it's the same reason to of why I wanted to cover conflicts when people would be like,

why do you cover the worst stuff? Like, who did you make man? I would be like, I asked to cover this. And same when I was in local news, I would be like, can I cover this vigil after they're had been some sort of shooting? And like, for me, it's because I really do care about people, and like, I'm interested in people, and also trying to look at what maybe led up to this. And is there anything that even me is just like a regular person can learn from it?

There's a lot of shows out there in the True Crime, Smiths. What is different about allegedly?

Aside from this amazing set that you have, it looks like a really cool living room.

Right, that's why I keep saying, like, I wanted to be my living room. It's like,

hurricane movies. A lot of the wall art is based off, like, I have a ton of tattoos. It's like based off of things from my tattoos. So I'm like, I think this is going to be it. I have to put this in my house. Everything that I look at. So yes, our set is different. But I do think, you know, I don't want to rush. And like our goal with this podcast, in this video podcast, is not to cover the biggest cases, making headlines the fastest.

Our goal is to cover the biggest cases, making headlines accurately and thoughtfully. And something that we're really trying to do is like allow people to sort of experience that process with us, take them through court documents, show them the court documents, all of that, so they can make sense of it on their own and with us. I feel like allegedly is like part a story of this case that you're curious about. And in part long form, interview with one person who

has a specific expertise, or they have a direct connection to the case, you call them like you're trusted friends. Yeah. And it does feel like your friends. And you can tell that you like each other because, you know, Misty Maris, the, she's a trial attorney and basically legal analyst and she jokes that, you know, that your set is good for redheads because she's a redhead. So, you know, it's, it's a nice camaraderie that you have with these guests of yours. So why for the first

Episode, the premiere episode, did you choose Gabby Petito?

for very sad reasons. It has been a few years. Let's just give a quick recap.

Gabby went missing in the summer of 2021 while she was traveling across the country in a van with her fiance Brian Laundry. Gabby's body was eventually found in Grand Teton National Park. She'd been strangled and Brian her fiance was declared a person of interest in the case. But before the investigation, you know, when any further, his body was found in a Florida park and police determined that he had died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Well, you know, it was a case that we knew a lot of people, particularly among the Netflix audience, was familiar with, in general, but particularly because they had that documentary. And that there was a lot that had happened since the Netflix documentary about Gabby Petito had come out.

There had been three civil lawsuits related to her case. Two in Florida, one that was against the

estate of Brian Laundry, one that was against Brian Laundry's parents, as well as their attorney. And then one that is in Utah against Moab city police. And there was so much information in them that we could pull from to help us expand our understanding of what really happened from the time Gabby went missing to win her body was found. And even before that. So many just really interesting tidbits that you found especially revolving around

Brian Laundry's parents. Yeah, I mean, it really is stunning. Like we know at some point kind of in late August, if I remember incorrectly, it's like Gabby's mother Nicole Schmidt sent to text after Jen heard from Gabby in a while, saying two Brian's mom Roberta have he heard from the kids. And they just get nothing. They just get absolute silence.

And what you realize when you go back and look through all these documents is that he had called his parents on August 9th and said Gabby's gone all that time that they hadn't awareness that maybe something wasn't okay. Nobody calls Gabby's mom or dad to say, hey, have you or anything are they okay? I'm worried about her. They just carry on and based on everything they claim in their deposition. They didn't ask their son called hysterical saying Gabby's gone

and they didn't have a follow up. And you and Mr. you don't shy away from what you discover. I want to play a little bit from the episode. Here's a clip. Neither parent calls Gabby's parents and says he's something's happening with the kids where

worried maybe you should call Gabby. Neither parents calls the police. They call in a journey.

They pay a $25,000 retainer and they do not help or cooperate in looking for Gabby. And when the Gabby's gone call comes in, if they really knew nothing, if they really did not know that something nefarious had happened, why wouldn't you call her parents? And say, this is a concern. You know, the thought that came to mind, I watched three of your episodes and the thought that came to mind was like three-dimensional podcast.

Wow. So it's kind of like you're listening, but then if you're actually also watching on Netflix, you're able to see the podcast come to life, especially like Gabby, you know, you feel like oh my gosh, you're right there with her. The video, you know, the court documents that you're talking about like the depositions or at one point you show people a letter that Brian's mom wrote him. This is a photocopy of the letter that they say they found that

Roberta had written handwritten what stands out to you. So obviously the language in here, if you're

in jail, I'll thank you a cake with a file in it if you need to dispose of a body I will show up

with a shovel. I mean, of course there's a huge question mark about when this was written. We know what she says. She says it was written before. I think there's some things that are a little weird about that to say. The least we have no way of verifying when this was written. I mean, tell us about this letter. It was chilling. I mean, you go through that line by line and every bit you're just like, why would someone say that? Why would someone say that she claims

that this was a letter she'd written way before any of this happened? And almost every time when the attorney is going through every line of saying, you said in here, if you need to dispose of a body, I will show up with a shovel and garbage bags. Why would you say that? Her answer is that's a weird jokey thing. I don't know any mom that jokes like that again and again with the kid. We reached out to the laundry family when we were going through this and doing this episode and they declined

our requests to do any sort of interviews or give comment. So the civil lawsuit related to

Brian Laundries parents, that was settled. I think publicly said something. They've said they just

want to move on from this. So what other cases can we look forward to on allegedly? You know, on some of these, we're going to try to do some follow-ups, like particularly with Gabby's case, like we are going to talk to her mom, Nicole. But a lot of it, I mean, it's going to be anything that you have really seen. Big in the headlines, right? We're going to do quarry regions.

We have the Alexander Brothers coming up. That's our second episode. The skies the limit for allegedly.

Ellison, we can't wait to watch more allegedly.

and having you on this podcast. Thank you so much. I appreciate you so much. And I literally

watch every single episode you ever do. So I can't wait for your next one. Thank you.

Thanks, Andrea and Ellison. Allegedly drops every Wednesday, only on Netflix.

Blaine sits down with Tara's boyfriend Chris Melton in his first television interview.

I figured that was going to have to involve somehow because I was her boyfriend.

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