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Hey everyone, it's Andrea Canning, and today we are talking date line, and we're talking about Josh's episode Breaking Point. So, Josh Maynkowitz, hello? Hello!
“If you haven't watched the episode yet, you can find it right below this one or stream it now on”
Peacock. So go there and do that, and when you come back, we'll have more from Josh's interview with the man convicted of killing Morgan Fox, and later we'll answer some of your questions from social media. Okay, Josh, before we dive into this episode, just give us a quick summary of this episode. Sure, this happened back in late 2020 in North Canton, Ohio, and a young woman did not show up
for a shift at a FedEx warehouse sorting facility, which was unlike her. She was 29 years old, named was Morgan Fox. She got up in the middle of the night to go to work. She worked the early shift, and she'd been shot dead as she was getting into her car in the driveway. Now, nothing was stolen. This wasn't a robbery. This was very clearly an attempt to stalk and kill her. And so the Star County Sheriff's Office began investigating whether she had any enemies,
and this is the story of that investigation and sort of how it played out and how it got to the end. Coincidentally, right before I started watching your episode yesterday, I was driving to the Memphis airport, and I see FedEx plane, after FedEx plane, after FedEx plane, and I'm like, I looked it up. I didn't even realize Memphis is the hub, the FedEx hub, even though your stories in Ohio, but it was kind of strange, given the fact that I was just about to watch
your story when I was just inundated with FedEx airplanes. Right. Yeah, I mean, it's a, you know, they've got there's sorting facilities all of the country, and it's, you know, this is not a, we have no information that whatever this issue was at the North Can't Facility, that it was anything more than particular to that facility, but the atmosphere at that facility was likened to a frat house, to a boy's club, a place where women felt uncomfortable, and sort of a lot of Morgan Fox's problems
began when she got promoted from the line to manager. And there was a sort of a campaign of, you know, I don't know whether you'd call it harassment or bullying, or, but it was a, it was a campaign of making her life just a little bit more difficult. I mean, not only were there a couple of guys there hitting on her. I'm not talking about that, but like they would take her chair and hide it in her, her, her workstation chair. That's not good. You know, they, they would take her clipboard,
which, you know, she needed to do her job. So, you know, Josh, right out of the gate, I loved how you set up the episode. You base, you put strangers into a workplace together, right? And there's
All kinds of things that happen at work, right?
personalities together. Yeah. Stuff is going to happen for better or worse. Stuff's going to happen.
“You put a bunch of people in. You add some pressure. You have everybody working together, you know,”
on what's supposed to be a common goal. And they're going to rate each other. They're going to date each other. They're going to hate each other. And that's, that is sort of human nature that's some of that's going to happen. I, I will just say to you, Josh, on a, on a side note, you know, working at date line, you and Keith, I've been here almost what, like 14 years now, you and Keith welcome to me with open arms. And you really are the best colleagues. So we're, we're very lucky
that we work in an environment at date line that is, is really just a wonderful place to be.
Yeah. And that's always been, you know, I've been in this business more than 50 years now.
And yeah. Really? Yeah. It's 50. You don't look good, Josh. I know, it's 50 earth years. Not, not the kind of, yeah, not the way other people measure them. Um, you know, and, you know, over that time, day line is without question, the best place I've worked in terms of the harmony, you know, among the staff members. Um, but I'm glad that, um, I'm glad that you said that. And thank you. Um, see, that's funny. I just remember Keith stealing your chair and clipboard. But okay,
maybe that maybe I remember him wrong. Yeah. That did not happen, Mr. Funny guy. Um, so, you know, one of the things that was said about Jason, the boyfriend, right, about Morgan's boyfriend was that he didn't sound right or he didn't sound frantic enough or whatever. I, it's funny because I kind of disagree. I, to me, he sort of sounded like somebody in shock.
“Right. Well, I think we now know that's exactly what he was. When the sheriff's office, you know,”
first listen to that 911 call, they thought. And, you know, I mean, this is true. 911 calls get
evaluated just like, you know, the homicide investigation is always very judgmental of what that first 911
call sounds like. It's the sound right. It's the sound forced as it's staged. And so, they were, uh, they were looking at that pretty closely. And they thought Jason's Carnegie sounded too flat. Um, but yeah, I think you're right. Uh, I think he was just stunned. Yeah. And who wouldn't be, right? You know, yeah. I mean, and, you know, not only that, not only did the sheriff's office, listen to that 911 call and think the boyfriend doesn't sound frantic enough,
they also on their first interview with Jason McDermott thought this is this like little
“rabbi guy who owns a cat. This is not our murderer. And they were wrong both what?”
Right. And I actually quoted you here in my notes. Single guys with cats don't commit murder. Right. I mean, that's that. That's certainly not my cat on my lap. Well, um,
first of all, you're not a single guy. Um, uh, you know, I'm not sure that that theory. I'm not sure
you just proved that theory, but, you know, that wasn't my theory. That was the, that was the star candy sheriff's office that thought this guy, this guy is not a killer. Do you like cat's Josh? Um, I'm a dog person. I say that having no pets when I retire. Um, I'm going to get a dog. But, uh, until then, I travel too much and I don't think, uh, I don't think that would be fair to the dog. I'm going to ask you guys have. We have a dog in three cats. Yeah. And since we do these from home,
my cat sits on my lap, usually during the, the podcast. So she just jumped down, though, you might have heard her meowing earlier. I don't know. There's a, um, there was a great, there was a great documentary about the 1986 Mets in which the interview Keith Hernandez, it was one of the stars of the team, you know, in present day. And he had his cat with him, like, during the entire documentary. He gets like climbing all over him. It's all over the set. It's in between the lens and him. It was
great. It was like an extra character. Um, speaking of Jason. Yes, which Jason. Yes. The killer, Jason. Um, Jason is so creepy. The things that he did, um, looking through her phone, taking, you know, through Morgan's phone, taking videos of Morgan. Yes. And then that whole episode
With Sienna, who also creepy, all of it, super creepy.
one of the things I said to him, you know, uh, and he's been locked up for years now. Uh, I said that,
“you know, are you, uh, were you obsessed with Morgan Fox? No, no, no, no, no, no. Okay. Well,”
no. Hold on one sec, sorry. I'm drinking. Oh, sorry. I always like to ask you who calls,
'cause you seem to get calls in the middle of talking date line, who was it? Um, it's, it's Amazon. Be good if it were FedEx. That would be it. That's probably not. Josh gets a package in the middle of a podcast about a package company, delivery company. All right. So, so Jason, um, creepy. One of the things I said, one of the things I asked Jason was one of the use of Seth with Morgan. He's like, no, no, no, no, no. Okay. Well, you have, like, I don't know, like more than 100 photos of her
in your phone, right? This is not your girlfriend, but your phone is packed with photos. And you were at least a party to sort of searching through her phone when she didn't have it. And you've
“contacted her on text, you know, a zillion times that's obsession. That's what that is. And that's,”
that's, that's, that's one of the reasons why, uh, you know, Sienna complained that it's one of the reasons why Morgan complained. Yeah. Well, and that the, you know, Sienna, what really struck me was the moment that she decided to stop getting rides with him to work was really the tipping point for him. Yeah. I mean, you know, she, uh, she loses her license. He sort of gallantly steps in, which is kind of his, uh, M.O. Right. I'm going to, I'm going to be the, the heroic guy here.
And he starts giving her rides. And at one point, she sort of feels guilty about the fact that he's going out. And, and she said, Sienna says, I'm in it very clear to him. We are friends. I am giving you gas money. Nothing else going on here. But he wouldn't leave her alone. And when she started getting rides from somebody else, he was very unhappy. Yeah. It, it, it, it, he seems like a hothead, like if he doesn't get what he wants, then, you know, I guess the title of the show, right,
breaking point, like he finally, he finally snapped. I mean, this is the first time that I've ever
heard of a killer, setting an alarm to go carry out the killing. The analysis of his phone show, that the, he'd set his alarm earlier than he normally did. But you know, this is a, this is a trend
“that we're, I think, increasingly going to say, because I think the criminals of this world have”
figured out that, you know, the equation of like where you are, where your phone is, law enforcement, kind of also assumes you are. And, you know, Jason left his phone at home, went out, committed a murder and came home. And he did this in the middle of the night at a time when most people's phones would be at their house and not being used because they would be asleep. So that gave him a very plausible alibi and a window to commit the crime. And if his car had not been tagged by that traffic
camera, he'd be walking around today. Yeah, I'm working on a story right now, too, with a traffic camera or a tag reader. You know, it's, it's hard to get away with things these days, isn't it?
It's never been an order. I mean, in this case, I mean, that traffic camera made all the difference.
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“Josh, your interview with Jason in prison, you bring up the phone, and you said in the show he was”
looking at Morgan's phone like it was a sports illustrated swimsuit issue. We have some more, we have some sound about that. So you're unjustly accused and convicted. Correct. I'm not going to say no, like any of my behavior was all appropriate. I had an appropriate
behavior at times for sure. I will never deny that, but me and appropriate behavior, like like
you like those saving the pictures. Yes, I can see how that creepy and everything like that. I should have been doing it. Creed, that's a good word. It is. Yes, and I'm like said, having time to reflect on that. Yes, I kind of were sent realize like, man, that's behavior I shouldn't have been doing. I should not have just because we're friends with social media has been saving the pictures that she sent me and stuff. Yeah, I mean, you know, his whole, I know.
“His whole message is the only thing I did wrong was look at her phone and then lie about having”
looked at her phone. Like like, you know, like the nearly stalking like behavior of making
teams all omnipresent for both Morgan and Sienna and like not picking up any message that these
women wanted to be left alone to do their job. He didn't get that. Taking pictures of her without her consent. Like the thing he thinks is wrong is I should have given her phone back sooner. No, Jason. Wrong answer. And Josh, you cut to the chase with him. You said, let me guess. This is all a big mistake. Which, you know, you know, I knew he was going to say, well, you know, the interesting thing, you know, this is one of the advantages of this job that you and I have,
which is frequently when you're interviewing these guys, there's a point where they stop answering questions from police like they got a lawyer or they just clamped up, right? Or in some cases they don't talk at all. And then they don't testify at trial because they don't want to face cross examination of whatever story it is that they're telling. And so this state line interview that they do when when these guys do it, this is frequently the only time that they get
cross examined by anybody. I was totally thinking that. Yes, I was watching your interview. Yes. I mean, this is a big responsibility for all of us at state line because this is frequently the only time that that person is going to get asked any tough questions. It doesn't happen on the stand. And, you know, sometimes they'll do one or two or one and a half police interviews, kind of like he did. Yes, yes, yes. And then they're not talking anything. They're not talking.
“Yeah, it is really important for us. And the families, they pay such close attention to these”
interviews. And a lot of them are, you know, their first instinct is, you're not talking to him or her, are you? You know, they don't, they don't want you to. And then they realize, you know what,
we will ask the tough questions. We're actually telling the entire story, right? And so we always
try to talk to everybody involved. But that doesn't mean that we're not going to ask this guy unpleasant questions. Whoever he is, whether it's Jason or something else. And we, and we, we do, we're always going to challenge them on their story. And sometimes families really want that as you, as you point out. Yeah, you know, FedEx, at the end, you know, we ask FedEx, you, your team on the story, Ask FedEx for a statement. And I thought to myself, okay, they didn't really say too much,
other than, you know, their, their thoughts or prayers or hearts or whatever it was, go to the family. But I'm thinking, you know what I really wanted to hear was, we've taken a really hard look at our, you know, guidelines for employees or something. It just felt, and maybe they are doing that, but it would have been nice to hear it publicly. They just said our, our thoughts are with the family and in front of the mortgage box. Yeah, and Amelia Morgan's daughter, her victim impact statement,
that was really one of the most heartbreaking victim impact statements to think of that poor little girl having to be in court in front of the man who killed her mom, assuming was she in court, or was it a recorded statement? I don't know. She was assuming she was there since we couldn't see her, but I mean, my goodness, as the mom of five daughters, I just really did not enjoy listening to that. I thought monsters weren't real, but you proved me wrong. You heard so many people. You heard
me and the people I love. You ruined your own life because of how much of a bad person you are. It was heartbreaking. You know, she was there. And he's trying, you know, he knew her,
Because he spent so much time around Morgan, he'd met that little girl.
during the statement, like, he's, everybody else's victim impact statement, he's looking straight ahead,
right? He's not, he's, he's not, they're not making an impact, but she starts talking, and he starts trying to look at her, right, turning her and looking at her. One of the court officers deliberately positions himself right in between. I love that. Right, like Jason and Amelia, so that he can't see her and she won't be intimidated or frightened by that. Because she called him a month, right? She said he's a monster. And now she's having to face the monster in court.
Yep. Like, just just absolutely heartbreaking. What I hope is that that courageous act will one day be something that she'll look back on and think, I, you know, I did it right. I, I stuck up for my mom. Yeah. I mean, it will shape her, you know, in some way, and I hope for good, that she will be a strong, you know, girl who goes up to be a strong woman, because that statement was strong. She was not, that little girl was not weak, you know, and you could hear it in her voice.
Well, and that's Morgan Fox too. And Morgan Fox, like, never back down from a fight. Like,
“that's what everybody said, like, protecting. I mean, that that attitude by Amelia, that is”
straight from her mom, which is, I'm not afraid of you. And I'm going to say my truth. And, and you know, she's Amelia's surrounded by really good people. At least it seems, because when they started talking about a Morgan, you know, this idea that on the 22nd of every month, which is the birth date of Morgan that you do something nice, you know, whether it's, you know, by someone dinner or, or pay someone a compliment or do something nice after the break. We will answer some
of your questions from social media. Now Josh, we are going to answer some questions and hear your comments from social media. You ready? I'm ready. Okay. Let's start with Marcia Elford. Marcia says, why did the police not match the tire tracks on her lawn to the tires on Jason's
car? Wouldn't that have moved it from circumstantial evidence to factual? The answer is yes,
if you could have matched those tires and those tracks to one another, to the exclusion of all of their cars. But just as with the gun, which maybe came from Jason's parents' house, the tire tracks on the car were consistent, but not absolutely his car. This was a circumstantial case. And a lot of the cases we cover are largely circumstantial. Sometimes all circumstantial and, you know, we see convictions all the time with circumstantial cases. There are a lot
tougher for prosecutors, and they make for interesting deadlines. Journalists are an abusive relationship with circumstantial evidence, because circumstantial cases are frequently very, very strong, which this one was. It's one reason why the jury did not take forever to deliberate,
“I think. So the idea that a circumstantial case isn't a real case is not legitimate. This was”
there was a great deal of evidence, circumstantial evidence, but there was a great deal of evidence against Jason McDermott. Okay, Josh Yeghead, 22, don't recall it being mentioned during the show that Morgan and the other stalking victim worked at FedEx together. Did I miss that? Their careers at FedEx overlap, but they were not close friends. CNN had nothing but good memories about Morgan, I think, but they were not, they were not pals. They knew each other.
Okay, this is a sweet comment from Shelley Hossick. I am going to celebrate Morgan on the 22nd of each month and do a Morgan, such a sad episode. I think Morgan's family is on us up there.
“I think everybody should do that. That's a great thing. It's great to make your mission”
doing something for somebody else once in a while. It's great. It feels good being nice to people, doesn't it? And doing nice things? I'm going to start that next year, but I hear that
It does feel good.
Right, exactly. Yeah. Look, Josh, we're smiling. I know. Okay, Chuck DZ76. Oh, that baby's
“testimony broke me. She shouldn't be, she shouldn't be mourning her mom and it's Mother's Day weekend.”
Chuck DZ, long time friend of Dateline online. Yeah. And as usual, Chuck is right. It's, yeah, it's, I mean, it's coincidence that this ended up airing right before Mother's Day,
but that doesn't make it any less poignant or awful. And, you know, that little girl is still
“surrounded by family and she's doing very well. I mean, we have so many sadly children”
that we've profiled on Dateline through the years that are without their mom. Well, our hearts go out to all the children of victims from our stories. It's absolutely heartbreaking. But let's
finish this on a later note, Josh. Sure. We had a lot of fans apparently multitasking on Friday.
Francis MPU said, "Nix, win." Time for Dateline. Go, "Nix." Hey, it's nice. You know, Michael Ray Richards and just passed away a few months ago. But, you know, he'd have been thrilled to see the next coming back. His famous quote, "The ship be sinking." Well, the next we're not doing well. But now, the next you're doing better. Yeah. I've been to one next game. And my friend of mine, this is going back quite a ways was dating the owner of the 76ers and they were playing the
next. And so we went to the next game and we sat outside. And it was quite a treat. I have to tell you. I would have been on the nosebleake. You were really not, you're in a charm life, Miss Candy. Well, through a friend. I mean, you know, anyway, thank you so much. Thank you. For all of your insight in this talking Dateline, it was very, very well done, fascinating episode.
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