Peptides Explained: The Truth About Biohacking, Healing & Human Potential with Chris Duffin

>> It is. >> We're talking about the root drivers of nearly all disease pathways. The inflammation, mitochondrial decline and ATV breakdown in that process. Size of peptides has a low level of accumulation, which is why it has such a high safety profile because it can't become toxic with those low accumulation levels.

But the size also allows it penetrate that the cell membrane get a lot of drugs to do. Your brain is wired for a deception, but here's the true. Patterns can be broken. The code can be rewritten. Once you hear the truth, you can't go back.

So the only question is, are you ready to listen? >> How of optimization has become one of the loudest conversations in the online space. But honestly, the most confusing, too. Peptides, supplements, red light therapy, cold plunge, frequency healing, and, of course, nervous system regulation. Everybody has a protocol or a stack and they're all certain that theirs is the protocol that works.

But there are very few conversations that slow down long enough to ask why something is working and for whom and at what cost. This episode is not about chasing another trend or biohacking for the purpose of ego. It's about understanding the science behind peptides where they came from, how they work in the body, what the real benefits are, and where the risks are often misunderstood or completely ignored. It's also about zooming out and asking some bigger questions.

“How do we responsibly use powerful tools like this?”

Where should we proceed with caution and what happens when optimization becomes disconnected from internal regulation recovery and, of course, mindset? And finally, we're going to be talking about the role that technology should play in human health. Where it helps, where it might actually be undermining us, and what human beings are actually capable of if we have the right internal and external conditions. This episode is a system's level conversation for people who want to understand the depth. Not just look for shortcuts.

Let's welcome the mad scientist himself, Chris Duffin. Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Decoded. I am here with the mad scientist, Chris Duffin. Welcome to standpoint. Although, I've heard this is not your first time here.

It is not. My grandparents lived here for about 30 years and I lived right here in Pondere for about a year.

That never happens, you guys.

I live in the middle of nowhere.

“In my mind, I'm like, is he going to be able to navigate his way here?”

Is he going to be able to find it? What about the snow? I'm like stressing out on your behalf, but you're basically a local. Yep, I learned to drive and for free to snow, actually, the year I got my license. Okay, so then you blend right in, because he brought a snowstorm with him who got it.

So, I got to be on your podcast a few months ago, and I was really impressed by your knowledge of peptides and just your approach to science and general. So, it was really excited to have you on the show. Our audience is very into peptides. I think in our framework of these episodes, we've really only just sketched the surface. So, I'm excited to see you take it even deeper.

I've been on my peptide journey since about June of last year. I've lost 30 pounds. All my chronic autoimmune symptoms are completely gone. So, I'm sold. I'm a believer.

I took my injection this morning.

And I always tell people I hate swallowing pills so much that when people are afraid of doing injections,

I always tell them, "Listen, God's honest truth, I would rather inject myself than swallow." It's like not so close. Yeah, it's so easy. And it's been interesting how normalize it actually has become in the last few years, particularly around peptides. And, you know, I'm in the strength world.

So, I say it's analogous to cross fits impact on like barbell sports, where people come into a gym now and go, "Hey, I'm interested in, you know, doing lifting weights with a barbell as their first time where before it was, that was totally not the same." Yeah, they were in the machine. And I think that the GOPs really had that kind of cross fit type approach where people are like, "Oh, an insulin syringe, like that's totally a normal thing. It's not like some sort of, you know, underground, you know, steroid or, you know, just like this.

It's taken a lot of the stigma and normalize it and then more people have experience with it." And it really is like an on thing when she start doing it.

“Yes, the only thing that I've run into lately, and I can't really tell why, because for nine months, nothing.”

And then all of a sudden, it just started hurting.

And I do it the same way that I always did it.

So, any thoughts on why it would suddenly start hurting? Yeah. So, our body's can, that is one of the few side effects that we can get from peptides is a little bit of a reaction to it. And a lot of times, that's to the water that's in that. So, typically, the reconstituted with a 0.9% benzol alcohol, some require acetic acid.

But there's also some variability between manufacturers of those products, right? And, you know, they can be pure.

“But there's certain levels of, you can also just develop a histamine type reaction, right?”

I think I'd just put it together when you said that. This is my, it's a new batch, and the whole new batch has hurt more than the previous batch. And it did come from a different, same company, but a different, different, five old, five three eighths. It's a different change in the reconstituted fluid. It doesn't mean there's anything bad or wrong with what you've got.

It's just that reaction with your body. And the worst that it can get is, it'll get a little red and swelling, which gets really annoying when that starts happening. So, if you can't resolve that by changing that out, switch to, well, you take a little bit of time off, as well, to give your body a little bit of break. Again, try different reconstituted fluid. And then you could also look at some anti-inflammatory peptides as well.

There's more that we could dive into, but generally that's going to resolve most of the issues. We're changing this side. I've had the issue in particular with GHKCU, which I know for many people can hurt. So, why does that one hurt so damn much? So, with the GHK, finding a different spot.

So, that one does cause some issues.

It is such an amazing compound though.

I had to do it in the injection in a spot was almost unbearable for a period of time. I was doing some construction on my home. And I was testing boots because I'm a designer, I love foot mechanics. And so I was testing some other company's boots. And I slipped in the shovel, I drove it just like this, and took my big toe and bent it completely backwards.

And it didn't heal for a couple of years. I went in, like it tore the ligaments, I couldn't, was making no progress. And so, I'm like, I have to localize those injections, so I started doing them into the joint. And it was insanely painful.

That's when I was finally like, okay, there's some serious, you can cause some serious pain.

But after two years, within a week, and I went back to my podiatrist.

“He's like, you need to keep doing that again.”

It's like, you're actually healing now. Yeah, whatever that was. But I could only, I was only able to sustain it for like two weeks because it was just excruciating. So, the spot, different, like you can imagine going into towards the joint in your foot and it being GHK. I literally can't imagine exactly in my belly fat and that hurt for a while afterward.

So, one of the things, intramusular is usually less painful than subcutaneous. People don't realize that they think it's the opposite, but it's actually less painful. So, you can try that, or just try some different spots that may have less sensitivity for you. What are the better items, boss? For I am, would be the shoulder, shoulder would be really, really good.

You could try that with a subq as well. A pretty interesting track hack, which actually is coming from the female audience now getting into peptides,

which they're always amazing at coming up with good ideas, using a hair clip on the skin.

Oh, that is smart. Isn't that? It is clever, I never would have thought of that. So, my wife was telling me about that. I haven't tried that yet, but I'm like, that's pretty smart, because there are some areas I can't, I couldn't do a subq with my shoulder because I only have one hand.

“Well, then also you have the additional sensation that probably distracts away from, right?”

Because the claw touching your skin is probably taking away from the feeling of the action. So, significant value of women getting involved in peptides, right? You are the first ladies, the claw grab your hair claws, or your deer injections. So, I wanted to get to where the name the mad scientist came from, because there has to be a good backstory there. Where does he see the mad scientist?

I could take this in the way back, machine, if we need to. But, clawing short is, I've introduced a lot of new ideas into the sports and clinical realm. Just, I have a different lens that I look at things and bring things to. And I was, yeah, that's just, I was showing up to help this individual who is a really well-known. He was a bodybuilder, strength athlete, celebrity, he's been on TV, he's in front of the camera all the time.

There's like 15 years ago when I was starting my first business in the fitness space. And I show up to help him and show up at the gym and he comes walking out of the gym with his camera crew. And he's immediately, and I'm here with Chris Duffin, the mad scientist of strength.

And I'm a, so my background is engineering. So, I've done about 10 years of clinical continuing yet, but I'm not, I'm not, you know, certified, let's say, in that space. Like my, my, my, my engineering, I've got two different engineering degrees and a master's in business. And I came up with that route, but I think a lot of this came from just the influence of my upbringing. I was thinking about this a lot lately.

I had to really create my environment around me.

So just a 90 second, back story of what's in my book that you so nicely put up there.

You go on the dragon. But I, I grew up homeless in the wilderness in Northern California. And my parents, it was in the golden triangle. They were growing, you know, weed for a living back when it was, there was people running around with machine guns and there was also, there was all sorts of things going on. And so in the book, it talks about my experiences, which I experienced every type of drama when the category of those eight types.

And yeah, we dealt with murders, a serial killer, the track, the family, human trafficking that affected us, and that's where me and my siblings ended up in, uh, care of the state.

“And that's how I ended up in Pondray, is grandparents were able to get us out of that.”

And so was here for, uh, year before parents were able to get us back. But then we quickly went back to our living in the, the wilderness out in eastern Oregon. And so in that, growing up. [laughs] [laughs]

Bless you. Thank you.

So in, in that, I had to create my environment.

Like, you know, if you wanted to sleep without, you know, getting drenched, you had to have the trenches dug. And the tarps hung right and be able to start the fires and just like create the tools. Like, it sounds really strange, but that's the environment I lived in. It's like you want to take a hot shower. You've got a plan and advance to get the water jugs filled in the stream and set on the right rock.

Sitting out all day so you can wash yourself. And so I, I grew up dealing with fail. You're dealing with things not being, I did create anything I did. So I had a very creative mindset. And that influenced as I got into, you know, my, my decision to go into engineering,

and side note, I ended up taking custody of my three younger sisters and I raised all of them.

While I was going and putting myself through my school and working full time and then chasing my career.

And I ended up doing pretty good in that. I ended up being an executive turnaround expert. So in the aerospace and automotive manufacturing realm, did some really, really cool stuff, built some world class businesses. And then, in the course of that, I was lifting weights.

It was something that was really important to me early on that helped build my self confidence when I was a child. When I lived in that environment, looked at, you know, unclean, meld unclean, showing up at school, people making fun of you. And lifting weights and sports really did a lot of work. So that's been like a cornerstone of my life.

And so I ended up in this realm of, like I said, doing the sports in addition to that. So I owned a gym at the same time. Like, I was doing a turnaround for an aerospace company. And, you know, I had a gym, I'd go in the evening and train with the, you know, a hundred members of the gym and be showing them stuff and filming videos and putting it on the internet.

Because I saw, I just saw these gaps that were wrong. And that's where I started also pushing my, my performance, I wanted to be the best in the world.

“And so I was, that's why I owned the gym.”

So I could have the right environment, the right tools, the right method all. So I could control everything. And I started designing the tools in my gym to be better. So they just weren't right. And that's how people got to know me in the strength realm is writing articles, seeing the tools.

And then I launched my business Kabuki strength in 2015 with the products that I designed. I had a number of patents and unique products, and I ended up penetrating sports performance faster than any other company in history. So I worked with every single major league baseball team, 80% of the MBA, 70% of the NFL. Any major college you can think of, I was about 1,000 colleges as customers. My products are in the White House, every branch, the military.

So I got, you kind of get the idea where people call me the mad scientist of strength. And there might have been a little-- Disrupt or else. Yeah, yeah. And at the same time, it was this larger system.

“And that's how, it's like, well, why am I in the peptide space now?”

I started using peptides in 2003 because I wanted to get all the records and push my limits as far as I could.

And I did that. Those records still stand.

“And then I did decide to go into using antibiotics when I was 33, but--”

Oh, that's a waste. I guess I'm getting up there now. That was a while ago now.

And I chased that and did some amazing things in that realm.

But everything I did from equipment design, everything's integrated. Like, my philosophy of how I look at the human body from a biomechanical standpoint. Like, my specialty was in spine mechanics and foot mechanics. And those were kind of the top two areas. If you're taking a global look at the body and how it operates and where from dysfunction derives from.

But as you improve those, and you get better with your movement,

“we can actually train in a way that sends better signals to the body to grow tissue into adapt in a different manner.”

Which is literally the same kind of signaling that we do with peptides.

And then it all starts working together.

Like, if we're able to get those signals aligned, and we're also pushing those same Vietnam redundant pathways via peptides via supplementation. Exercise is one modality. We can tap into that with, you know, red light therapy, post-electromagnetic. It's all like creating this environment to create this really optimized human. And that's, I guess I did it for really personal reasons.

I wanted to discover what my potential was. I wanted to see how far I could take things. And I was, you know, still willing to do things that were bad to my body.

It's not necessarily when you're pushing performance.

It doesn't mean that's a conversation that some people don't understand if they haven't been in sports. I know you have a sports background. I do. Because, oh, if you're a world class athlete, you're an optimum health. No, no, no, no, no, no.

That's not how it works actually. Yeah, I'm probably in more optimal health now because of 40 year old woman who does my vibration play in the red light and goes very minimum. Exactly. Same same here. And it's kind of funny because people online, though, if I roll through my comments,

I'll be like, Chris, what are you doing? You're aging backwards because I look so much better. And I feel so much better than I did when I was in my 30s.

“Because in my 30s, that's what I was chasing.”

I was aging fast and I had so much stress in my body on top of like all the trauma stress and things that I carried from childhood. I think some people see the visual signals of potentially low body fat and decide that low body fat visual muscles means that you're in peak performance. Which is not how that works. Help us debunk why that is not true because I know for sure it wasn't true in my body. The fittest I've ever looked was probably the worst I've ever felt in my life.

Yeah. I mean, it's a balance of nervous system, sympathetic, and parasympathetic tone, the amount of stress that's in your body. To push that hard, you're driving your systems hard, which is putting you, you're taking too many withdrawals from the bank. Right. It's just like I call it the boardroom athlete, but a lot of my clients are in this 45 to 65 high performers in their careers. But they have some of the same things, maybe not from being an athlete, but it's the same like driving your mind hard, your body hard, like running on that red line of stress all the time isn't good for you.

Now, we have to have stress to adapt. So, if we think about this, it gets back to very basic, most basic training principle there is. And it's the principle of human, human life, any life, it's the set principle, specific adaptation to impose demand. So, in essence, without resistance, there is no life. Like, if I break my arm and put a cast on immediately the process of atrophy, now there was a stimulus to the bone, so the bone's going to heal, just like tangent, but the muscle in that arm begins to atrophy nearly immediately.

That experience did it looks like a little twig afterward. That's scary. So, if we don't use our body, like, that that process of disease and waste, you know, over-speaking a little bit, atrophy maybe a better word, starts to happen. And then the same thing with our mind to emotion, like, you don't use it, you lose it. Exactly. Use it or lose it as this said principle. Now, that in an athletic environment, some of those others where you're pushing that modality, you're pushing and ensuring that you have that,

But it doesn't necessarily mean you could have dropped so low that there was a whole lot of extra induced stress that just didn't need to be there.

So, it's really the optimization, just like trauma, like, right? You can take an experience and figure out a way to learn and grow from it. When you probably could have learned and grown from a lesser experience and still been up here, but didn't have to endure, you know, the impact of what that did to you. So, essentially paying attention to an incremental approach and also the periodization of how you're putting the body under stress, is that essentially what you're saying. Exactly. Think of life as a square root symbol, and you've got to have a lot of, so, you know, it's little, we've got a little valley in front of us and the peak on the other side is higher than where we're at right now.

“We're going to take a step and you have to purposefully take a step, make that choice to step into a workout to step into the next challenge, start a business, go back to school, whatever it is, right?”

Whatever that thing you need to be able to recognize what that is, you're on the edge of this precipice, and then we then we adapt and we grow out a little bit stronger.

And if we time those right, there's a nice kind of steady upward, it doesn't always necessarily work that way. If we don't have anything against us, it's just being thoughtful around that.

So, you've got, I call it the precipice, the plunge, the pit, the bottom, the pole, as you're climbing out of that, the peak is that height, and we can translate that into all sorts of things business leadership and so on and how you do that. You also have to have the plateau, the time for yourself care, but you can't spend too long there, you can't spend six months drinking my ties at the beach, or you will get soft, and you'll be on this steady decline. And unfortunately, life always comes out of no matter what, so you could try to find comfort and just live in that world like many people.

That's our natural inclination. Once we get back past some of these biological drivers were more young like to get out on our own to find the partner to have kids. Like all these scary things, there's also a piece that drives us to take that step off, that precipice. So these barological drivers, but we get to this point, and that's usually when people are hitting their 30s and 40s, and you see it, and that's where most people fall, they just are able to find that comfort and roll with it until they get to the end.

And something comes up in life and hits them, and then they freeze up, they walk up, because they haven't built their resilience, they've started getting soft. In my work, we do brain pattern mapping, which I know we discussed on your podcast, and just for everyone that's listening in the audience that has done break, or you're certified in break, I think we all know what his brain pattern type is. But I definitely want to give you the link, because I want to see if we are all right, we've got to be right.

So I'm not going to ruin what that is, but I'll give you a link so that you can take it. The little we found in brain pattern mapping is that there are people who do tend to be risk-averse, and therefore don't get a lot of reward in their life, and they do seek comfort and repetition, and then there are those who seek novelty and really like risk and like to push themselves. And they're obviously the ones that tend to bring themselves out, they run themselves, they run all the time, I think we both know where we naturally found them.

And so, yeah, I've had to learn the opposite, so that the plateau is very important for me to be to recognize those times that, alright, I need to be here, and you can't always be stepping into the next thing.

“You need to, but you need to be thoughtful, so everybody's approached that, and that's just like my, have you found some sort of secret timing or does it always differ when you get to that plateau?”

What is your approach to deciding when it's time to step back off?

I know that I'm, I'm going to season like that right now, and as you're talking about it, this is the first holiday break with my kids where I really, I took off.

Like for two weeks, I basically did literally nothing except hang out with my kids, ski, self care, just really relax. And now I'm finding for the first time my life going back to work, I'm like, shit, I don't do this. So what's the secret ingredient? How do you decide one to get off the plateau again?

“So one is you have to realize this comes in what we call microsycles and macrosycles, right?”

So there's small moments on a daily basis or weekly basis, and we need to be thoughtful about what we choose to step them to, particularly people like us, right? Because it's like, it doesn't mean turn into everything, but it could be a hard conversation with a family member or an employee or your boss or whatever it, like, It's sensing those moments in those moments of learning when that precipice is, whether because the opportunity we have is to purposefully tackle microsycles to make the macro easier.

And yeah, but you, you can't have a hard conversation with your co-worker, how are you? You need to like, there's so much work that you need to do and step into that.

You can't be small bills, but you want to build a business. Exactly. So often people come to me with all these big goals, and I'm like, you can't get your daily life together. So you got to steward the small things to be prepared for the day. So take those challenges and just step into those, right? So recognizing and it's not turned into every challenge.

“It's turned into ones of purposeful. And part of that is, you should be able to feel it in your gut.”

It's this mixture of fear and anxiety and excitement. So that's why I talk about the biological drivers because it's like, hey, you know, there was a time when you were in your life. There was a hot number sitting over the way at the bar and you didn't want to go introduce, but you did too. Like you were like, and then there was like, all right, same conversation happens about getting married or having kids and so on. Like those are the, those are the, those are the mixtures of like that feeling.

Yeah, the positive and negative. Yeah, it's turning in your gut. So, and that's where like the easy comp thing around like a hard conversation. You want to resolve it, but you want to avoid it, right? That's it. You should feel that in your gut.

So that is part of recognizing those, those precipice moments, those opportunities. And from there, once you've taken that step, we need to learn as much as possible from that. And so that's in the plunge, every step is recognizing where you're at and then what to do with it. So that precipice is being able to take action and recognize. The plunge is being able to look inward at those emotions that are coming at you and you're in that whirlwind of.

Oh, my God, what have I done? What's on the other end of this? Whether it's shame, fear, depression, like to meditate actually into those and better understand where you're coming from, your values. What's driving those emotions versus the common logic that I'd up out there is, you know, no fear, push it down like just kind of. No, it's an opportunity during that period of time. But perhaps also blended with questioning where it's coming from and what it's trying to do.

And what it's trying to trick you into because it does seem like that. Yes, exactly.

Metacognition ultimately is what's going to help you turn that into a learning lesson that's.

You've got to keep peeling back the layers, whether it's five wise or whatever approach that you find valuable.

“That's what I said spend time with it, meditate into it to understand where that emotion is coming from and truly why and just keep digging a little bit deeper, little bit deeper.”

If you don't do that, you won't discover what's a driving that shame, depression, whatever it is. That you're experiencing in that world when that you're at, which is very different than when you're in the pit. What's your take in those moments? Because again, from brain pattern perspective, there are people who are naturally, they've got well developed. Metacognition typically via childhood trauma where you have to learn that to survive.

Then there are others who tend to see things from more victim-centric lens. So in those moments, what would be your advice for somebody who. When they're in the shame or in the guilt or in the fear anxiety, their instinct is to look outside, to externalize their blame structure. What would be your approach to help them out of that? That's probably tough for me because I probably don't work with a lot of those folks.

Well, you are not that way at all. I'm not that way. That's not the people that come to me. But a lot of the framework is so much around like you can't drive change unless you take accountability.

So you can always blame somebody else and a million circumstances a little over a year ago.

I, that company I lost that I talked to you about. It was, you know, grew to a, you know, an eight-figure company. It had three investors that were billionaires. Like it was, I was globally recognized brand. And one day I got a call that I was fired from the company.

And they showed up with semi-trucks and loaded up and moved it across the country and let go of the 50 employees. And I could blame those other people. But if I choose to go that route, I can't learn anything. I can't grow. So it very well could be those other things.

But it adds new value for me to place on that versus really focusing on what in that. Can I take responsibility? What do I have the responsibility to take responsibility from in this?

“Because that is the only way that you could learn or grow or become stronger out of that.”

So I think you just, even though you don't typically work with those people, I certainly do. And you hit the nail in the head.

Because even in that moment, perhaps the lesson to Glean is how did I not see this coming? How did I potentially put myself into a situation with people who would even do this? And that is the sort of metacognitive ability that... Those are very exactly the questions you have. That's exactly what I had to learn from that.

And those were my mistakes. Yeah. And you know I did it too. I came out of a similar thing around the same time. I too got fired from my own company.

I was like, "Are you kidding me right now?" I had a nine-day old son.

Yeah, so it was wonderful, got left with a few million dollars in personal debt.

You know, all the good stuff. Easy peasy. Listen, it motivates you.

“It was actually the best thing that could have happened at the end of the day.”

And I learned and grown so much, and as I'm building the groundwork for doing something like that in the future, I'm approaching the structure and things very differently recognizing that I move too fast. And I would drop people, a lot of, I don't need to get into it. There's so much that I learned still, it might age about business and the experiences that I have. I'm still so much to grow from that.

The other side is when you're in the pit, it also, the personal accountability is massive right there as well. So there's, that's a three-step process. You want to shorten it. The last amount of time that you spend, there's how deep the pit is. Let's minimize it.

Yeah.

How short it is because you could end up there for years or you could end up there for weeks.

Mm-hmm. You have control of this and the three-step process there is, I call it, everything's kind of body-focused for me, so ACL. Love it. Yeah.

Good work. Ignolage. Number one. Ignolage. They're in the pit.

They're in the pit.

“I mean, that's just massively empowering in the second.”

Once you've taken that and got, "Oh, this isn't life." This isn't, this is, this moment in life. Mm-hmm. That's big. But now, celebrating it.

And I truly mean celebrating it. Pick up any business book. Walk into any company that's been around for a while, that's had to survive the growth throws. In that book, or the people in that company that welcome the new people in,

will tell them of the glory days. Mm-hmm. The stories of the glory days. And what were the glory days? The pits.

Yeah. Those are the action book moments of life. I reference, because I'm from Portland. I reference Phil Knight's shoe dog all the time. You read that book, and it's just so much about these stories through the 80s.

And it was when they were, wasn't going to be able to meet payroll and all that stuff. And it's like, that was just this gorgeous story. And then people in the company tell you about those days. Mm-hmm. If you went back in history and went to those days, they couldn't wait to be out of it.

They were just hanging on by a thread till they got to the other end. But now, it's literally the book. It's the story that they tell other people. It's the story they tell their kids. It's the story they tell the world. Because it can be your biggest motivator if you're present to it.

I know the most money I ever made in a calendar year was coming off the heels of being completely screwed over in real estate deal. And having to double pay, I had to pay all the subcontractors a second time even though I had already paid my contractor.

I owed over a million dollars in cash that I had like six months to pay out and I had nothing.

“Well, it's just like, how proud am I going to be when I get to the other side?”

So folks, that's the part to celebrate. It's like, this is the moment I'm going to be. I'm going to tell my kids about my grandkids about that I'm going to write my book about. That I'm going to like, this is the moments that are going to be burned into your memory that you're going to think about later. And remember of the great life that you had and you're going to be so proud when you get to the other side and I got through that. So celebrate and then as you're celebrating, you can now leverage that.

Yeah. That's the last piece is exactly what you're talking about leveraging that to now. If you know it's important, you know you care, you know how much you're motivated to bring about your best performance and your best year. So that's the process in the pit. So from a brain pattern perspective, there are people on the left side of the brain pattern spectrum for those people who watched consecutive episodes who don't naturally have problems with this because they are not naturally oriented towards thinking that something is going to last forever.

I'm going to tend to skewer toward positive self deception and kind of like, well, this sucks now, but like, I'm going to pull out of it. Right, they've got higher levels of self trust, higher levels of self efficacy. What I've found is that the people who are on the opposite side of the brain patterns spectrum. Let's say they were to follow the acronym you just gave them, which I think is brilliant by the way, I love it. What's naturally going to happen for them is as soon as they do get out of it, they're going to go to shit.

What if this happens again? So it's almost like they start bracing for it to happen again. Have you seen this with with people because I don't think this would happen to you naturally, it wouldn't happen to me either. When I'm out, I'm like, praise God, look at those great, but some people as soon as they get out of the pit and they are doing better. It's like their brain has these echoes of making them believe that they could actually go back into the pit at any moment.

When you have fear.

The opening of my book, I'm six years old, I'm living in, well, I've got beams last up in the trees, we all do.

But each of the family members, because there's rattlesnakes running around, so we sleep in the trees at night, and I've got a live rattlesnake in my hand.

“Because I've been taught how to capture and handle live rattlesnakes, because that's how I've got my three-year-old brother with me who I'm supposed to be protecting.”

And, you know, I know how to handle it. I've been taught how to. And I've got it held right in the right spot that it can't control, it's wrapping around my arm. Just this slithery cold, again, and you're looking at that snake.

And all its entire intent is to strike and kill you.

That is everything. You can just see it in its eyes, right? If I let fear overcome me, I'm dead. If I freeze up, I lock up. If I have no fear, if I don't respect the signals that fear is sending, I'm dead. So your ability to manage fear, if you let fear overpower you and create these windows and blinders.

So when you have that worry of like what if, what if you start thinking about this, you know, catastrophizing this situation and thinking about all the ways that it could be going wrong.

And what that does is it shuts off the creative windows for what your potential is.

And it takes you out of being present so you can't even focus on what's in front of you anyway. So what I have people do is spend time imagining right now that has happened. In this moment, everything's been stripped away again. You've got nothing. It really spends some time. Maybe days, weeks thinking about like right now. I don't have a way to make ends meet next week. Got no paycheck. Whatever it is, your fear is. I lost the house. I whatever your fears are.

“Be in that moment, meditate on that and go, what would I do if that was the case?”

Where would I go? What would be my next move? So kind of intentional exposure in your mind to decency, but also to train me somehow. And to allow you to see the opportunities. Going, you're spending all this time worried about what's going to happen, how to prevent that from happening. Instead of going, oh, if that happens, I have all these assets of my knowledge and my skills and all the things that I built and my confidence and my resilience and what would I do and where would I go? And what would those next move? And you would see the landscape open in front of you of all these potentials going, if I had to start from, you know, this is what I really want to do.

This is, I would want to be and it's slightly over here when I'm actually on this and then, okay, now let's come back once you've done that exercise, come back to the reality of, oh, you haven't lost all that. Everything that you have and where you're sitting right now is a massive bonus and now I can use that in leverage and maybe redirect where I'm going as well.

“Because the fear has closed so much down that you're not seeing the actual opportunity that you have to work with right now.”

So last September, year ago, September. That's exactly where I was Monday, lost everything. Two today, wake up and I tell them how I have to look. This is awesome. This is where we're going. These are the things we're doing. It was literally a one day process. I allowed myself a day to go this socks and it just, it turned that quick. I knew where I was going and what I was doing. I was so constrained. Like I've been doing this stuff with peptides in cellular medicine and biology for quite some time longer than I've been doing the equipment side.

That was all an output because I saw the gaps of like what we were doing in training that wasn't aligned with our cellular biology. So I was creating the tools that allowed that to happen through changing those peripheral neurological inputs by changing how the load sits in space. It did some really, really cool stuff. That's why I penetrated so fast. But I couldn't talk about all those other pieces that this was just one part of this larger system. Why I had as you company, why I had a supplement company that they were all tied together from a philosophical standpoint of how we operate an underlying level.

And how we could leverage that. But talking about peptides was completely offline with the investors and board that I had. Like I couldn't broach that. So I had some top docs in the world and coaches that knew people knew that I did that. And, but it was all behind the scenes. So it was educating and mentoring folks and, you know, I wasn't able to share that with the vast amount of people that followed me.

And I wouldn't be able to see that if you have those fear blinders on. So you need to respect fear.

“But we've got to be able to have some tools and I just shared one tool of how to strip those away and some practice to be able to open and see the creativity because that's what.”

That's what gets dampened when the fear winders are on. And if you're naturally controlled oriented and feel like you have to know what comes next in order to make a decision, you've already.

All but insured that you can't be creative because you can only be creative and adaptable if you somewhat surrender.

I think sometimes people take it too far and they think that surrender and recklessness are the same. They're not, right? The surrender has a, I understand what could happen. I understand what I'm looking at, but when she's selected unfolds. Yeah, and my, my wife is, is, is more of that control side. And so I've had to have that influence during our life and she's, you know, while my business, a lot of my, my business approach and other approaches is like.

“We can think and plan, which I'm, I love doing. I'm an engineer and super detailed. That's what I do, but at the same time I know.”

No matter how much I could, I've, I've, I've watched engineers spend two, three years designing this project to go into an automotive application. And then when we set up the line and run, they didn't think about this thing, right? And it's like. We could have mock that whole thing up with cardboard and duct tape and put it out there and started, but it wouldn't, oh, but it's not ready. The sooner you go, the sooner you learn. So it's duct tape and cardboard. Just move.

“You don't wait for perfection because there is never perfection. It's always some level of iteration.”

So the practice of doing that and it takes time to get comfortable with like, okay, if you're, typically a control person is very perfection oriented.

Right? We're going to get there, but it's always a step. What's the North Star? Where do we want to be? And this is actually based on a lot of Japanese manufacturing philosophy coming out of,

something out of the 1940s influence of Dr. Deming, but that approach is this, like, every day, you can never get to perfection. You can never get to that North Star, but you can always be one step closer and taking that step closer every day. What step have you made today? I want to pause for a second because this episode matters to me on so many levels personally. As you know, if you've been falling along with my podcast, I did not get into the peptide space for human optimization. I got into them because my body was completely broken down. I was having autoimmune flares hormonal weight gain that was not responding to any of my strong willpower or time spent in the gym. The only thing that actually made a change was adding peptides to my daily routine.

I did that. I started to understand bioavailability, dosing, stacking, and that is everything we're covering in two days episode with one of the leading experts in the peptide space. As you know, I am partnered with LEMD, so that you don't have to guess where your products are coming from, whether they're black market from China. And all of my recommended stacks at LEMD forward slash busy gold and LEMD is ELLIMD dot com forward slash busy gold. And I go deeper into all of my protocols and offer support on my telegram group, which is also going to be linked in the show notes. Now back to the show.

I think that the process of iteration some people are naturally more inclined toward embarrassment thinking, oh, what are people going to think about that. And I think again going back to the brain pattern take that I think you have just the same that I have. There's very little care for that. There's you're not blind to it. You understand what people could think, but it doesn't matter as much and typically I've found in my body of work that that comes from not necessarily being able to trust primary caregivers in childhood.

And so in a way, then you transpose that on to and you don't really give too much weight to what anybody thinks because you're going to find way to figure it out and get across the finish line. Yeah, pretty much. So, you know, if you don't fall in that brain type is just getting the press to get practiced exposure to that I'm afraid of what other people are going to say. All right, post some you're afraid of putting up a that you're social media marketing post or whatever isn't going to be perfect. Put up one that knows bad do it. Yeah, do it. You're going to need to get used to seeing those comments and responses.

You're going to have to do that at some point. It's going to happen. It's going to come. I'm not a quote person, but there is one quote that I intentionally put in on my work with break math and it's one of my favorites is Chuck Plany, a quote, the guy the real fight club.

The growth of our interior mid-singulate cortex, then you feel more purpose in your life and everything kind of just flows down from that beautiful.

Let's jump into peptides a little bit. Our audience is somewhat familiar with peptides if you haven't gone back to watch the initial episode on peptides. I think it was episode maybe six or seven and then we did another episode digging a little bit more into mcast symptoms and how some of those can be relieved with peptides. Are there kind of if you look at peptides, do you think of them in kind of tears of kind of like these are kind of maybe things that are generally applicable for the general population then these are kind of more specifics? How do you how do you look at the world of peptides and is there hierarchy without you look at it?

“I don't know if there's a hierarchy but there's certainly categories. Now I should provide the caveat like I try to share things from my anecdotal experience. I think the fact that I have over 20 years of experience had some significant value.”

And the fact that I've been able to be involved in mentor and develop a lot of the protocols that you see floating around today or stuff that I was putting out you know 15 years ago to coaches and they got shared around. But I'm not a medical professional right and a lot of these are not FDA. They're doing all of the insert medical disclaimer here. Yeah, so you're the GLP the single agonist the dual agonists are you know medical. And then SS-31 recently which is mitochondrial peptide was approved in September and then you lightly just did the phase three trial of retitutide which is the triple agonist GLP with glucogen and which is absolutely phenomenal that research on that is tremendous. So there's there's categories, right. So we've got you know neurological based peptides.

“We've got metabolic or mitochondrial based peptides. We've got peptides that are rhythm based.”

Login lining your circadian and hormone rhythm. We've got growth hormone you know analogs or secretic hogs. And we've got healing you know healing peptides, but there's thousands and thousands of peptides. And the peptide is simply an amino acid bond like a protein but a lot smaller. So it's between two to 50 amino acids is what a peptide is. So just so people have no awareness like what it and there's a lot of people think that they just just came out and just became available. If think it was 1926, the first peptide went into medical use which was insulin. Life changing product. And then in the 1960s is when we started to be able to synthesize them a bit better and then they really started exploding in the 80s and 90s when the cost of that synthesization started coming down. And now there's a lot more but the research there's research that goes way back like if we're talking cognitive peptides.

“So we had peptides, that cerebrolycin is been around since 1848, patented in 53. It's an incredible like brain healing compound.”

I used it on my nephew when he was in the hospital with five brain surgeries and then a coma for months first day.

Is it good for traumatic brain injury? Yes, it's phenomenal. I don't know how cerebral palsy and we've been really on a mission. There's research that relates to cerebral palsy. Yep. So yeah and it's been around for a long time connect with me on that because it's not available in the U.S. I do have cerebrolycin hydrolysis, which is kind of the specific of that. There's also dihexa, which is one of the peptides within cerebrolycin, cerebrolycin is basically fermented pig brains, but really really incredibly powerful.

Dihexa is the specific peptide that it's like 10 million times more powerful than brain drive and utropic factor for repairing the brain. So there's some really phenomenal.

I was just watching in a gentleman who's had he had 15 TBIs and essentially he tried to kill himself. He could barely talk wasn't fluent and he was sorry relies on dihexa to become a fully functioning person in less than a year. Yeah, that's my daughter's most affected under speech and she's just she's annoyed. I don't know another way. She's like almost 16. So some of the teen hormones, but before she just kind of accepted it to some extent and now every day she's pissed.

So a number of peptides that people talk about like semax, sylink, nupept. Those are all like nitropic based peptides where neurotrophic is healing the brain tissue.

“So it's like anabolic anabolism for muscles.”

So one is helping it grow the other's just maybe helping connectivity is not the distinction.

Yeah, okay. Yeah. So yeah, helping the firing or helping with either dopamine or GABA or serotonin and basically balancing those within the brain and improving those functions.

They were multiple of them work different different ways, but I'd say most of the ones that you hear about related to brain are related to that fashion. Now, I honestly don't use or promote a lot of those with I have found that if we, so if we dive into basically neurodutinative diseases, so Alzheimer's Parkinson's things like that, what we see in the driver of that disease is lack of feel for the brain.

“So the mitochondria that breaks down with age or stress or TPI or any number of those items starts breaking down, and that might, mitochondria creates that ATP that is the, you know, the fuel that we run off of.”

And that in the brain, which is highly glucose dependent and being able to convert glucose into ATP, that's the deficit.

And so that's where, and that's where like SS31 just came in, it's a great neurodutinative compound, and I'm hoping it gets approved for additional within that. But I've found that attacking that particularly with my boardroom athlete, let's say, this 45 to 65 year old, which also could be, again, an athlete or someone that is, they've had the significant amount of stress. Maybe they haven't had the sleep that they need, not eaten as well, the alcohol exposure to tons of fluorescent lights, not getting light, you know, sunlight exposure, all this stuff leads to mitochondrial decline.

And what do we commonly call that brain fog or just, my brain's not with it anymore, because I'm older.

“And that's what you're brain not with it anymore, and taking further is neurodutinative disease, and that's the driver of those neurodutinative diseases, based on our current understanding right now.”

And that's what these compounds are being researched for right now. So, months, months, see in SS31, there are two different mitochondrial agents that we can use. Do a lot for our body when we're doing that. So, but I have found that the cognitive comes along so far with those, that it really makes most of these people trying to attack that via, hey, I need to take this thing that improves my brain function. Your case is very different. I would absolutely drive in there, but I'm going, you know, our typical 40 to 70 year old that wants to be performing better. Well, they're probably also have some, you know, maybe some prediabetes or poor insulin response, these are all responders.

If that's combined with hyperlipidemia, again, that's another signal that we've got some mitochondrial breakdown, they've got probably excess body fat that they've been having trouble getting off, you're not able to add lean mass again, the body's not responding right. So as we tackle that, this gets better, and as that gets better, what your emotional resilience goes up, because you've got the energy when those things hit you, your stress response and resilience is a lot stronger.

So, there's, there's another one in that class, SLU-PP332, which I created the first orally available with Erolith and A, which is a well researched, again mitochondrial.

So, I've got that in a single and it's a capsule version, and it drives that biogenesis, so they creation of new mitochondria and then ramping up the mitochondria and its function as well at the same time. So, it's a really valuable with the SS-31 and MOTC is a really good discussion. So, one of those, I heard you talking about a car when I was on here, so I'll use mechanic analogies because I'm an engineer. It's like a chip on your car, a reprogrammer. If you're not a car person, it's a new software update on your computer. You've got the same hardware, and it just goes in and does a reset, and you get whole new level of performance.

Read us the timing, the fuel, like everything you step on that gas, and they're like, "Whoa!" That's the sport mode on your car. It just changes how it operates, breaking's more responsive, transmissions, shift and better, all that's happening.

But if the engine's knocking and you got some blue smoke coming out at the back end, what would happen if we reprogrammed that? Probably have some problems, maybe sooner, because you're able to push it harder, you're pushing it harder, your energy levels are up.

So, you're taking this MOTC, you're like, "I feel amazing, I feel great, I'm going to exercise, I'm not getting sore."

I'm doing my train, I just keep pushing more, the work out further, because my endurance capacity is going up every day. Chris, this feels great, until it doesn't. That's where SS31 comes in. SS31 is the mechanic, so it goes in and fixes the structure. And it's specific, it's really unique, it is electrostatically charged and goes straight into the mitochondria. And attaches, it's got the opposite charge of what's called cardiolipin, which is a very unique lipid that's in the mitochondria and stabilizes that membrane.

So it helps repair that cardiolipin and stops the leakage.

“That's what's happening when we've got that mitochondrial breakdown going on.”

The energy process, that engine, so mitochondria is an engine that's creating, it does a whole lot more than that. Everybody loves the powerhouse of the cell. It's way more involved than that, our understanding of mitochondria will pick it over the last five years. It's just, the science has just really taken off, but it relates to this. It's that engine that's producing that, and then it's leaking, it's just not very efficient.

So as it's leaking, we've got reactive oxygen species developing, so we've got all this oxidization that's building up. And that just starts just getting, everything's building on everything and getting worse. And that's where the energy levels are going down, your blood sugars getting off, your brain fogs kicking in, like all these things are starting to happen and decorate. And you know, it's just aging. And you, you can see it, too, like the aging process, like your skin doesn't look as good, you're not able to keep muscle on, like all this, the body's functioning is breaking down at a cellular level.

And so cardiovascular life and goes in and fixes that structure.

“And that's why it's, it's in research and actually now approved for at least one neurojudic degenerative disease because it is so unique and just drive straight in and it purposely attaches to that cardiovascular life.”

That cardiovascular life, which is unique to the, the mitochondria. Is that something that you would have to cycle or is that something that you would just be on hypothetically? So like the mechanic, you shouldn't need to run it continuously, but like the mechanic. If I drop that off every night and they went through and changed the oil and did a tune on it, it wouldn't do anything bad either.

Okay, so there's no essential downside.

So SS other than out of your pocketbook. Same as you can, right? And be expensive. So so this is how we'd think about using those. So Matcy, for example, you would use that like on your high energy days like, hey, I've got a board meeting or I've got these are my exercise days. Two, three days a week, you'd run a dose of that and you could run it to say eight to 12 weeks. Well, I'm taking my car out to the track for eight to 12 weeks during track season. I'm going to take it into the mechanic at the end of that.

I'm probably going to start taking it in before because it's going to start wearing. So maybe the last two weeks that I started taking SS 31, then I run SS 31 for five weeks. I could overlay it the whole time. If I wanted, right, or I could keep running it through the whole year if I wanted. It does have a nice leaning effect and other positive effects.

“I like it. I run it fairly often because, well, that's why company.”

Why not? But certainly not something. But if I'm starting from the point of like, hey, I've got this breakdown. So this is where most of my people coming to me are in this eight, like, they've, they've hit that wall these markers starting coming. I'm typically going to start them on SS 31. All right. And then, maybe towards that the last like, hey, let's run four, five, six weeks SS 31. And the last couple weeks, all right, let's start taking it to the track. When we start putting them in the MOTC or the SS or the SLUPP, and now we're working to performance optimize.

Now, if we're talking to somebody that's younger, like in their 20s or 30s, and they don't have that breakdown. And they're just like, I'm prepping for something or just wanting to enhance, you just go straight to the MOTC. Don't need the mechanic. And that would be the approach with that. But these are tremendous for your brain and your body and your emotional resilience as this all starts hitting you. And so that's some of my go to. Now you combine that a lot of times with some healing peptides, which sounds like you're probably taking some GHK.

I call that the third, it's the master craftsman. So you, it real estate background.

Okay. They're taking the raw materials and you've got a house that's, you know, let's say burnt down.

“We're going into that and they're taking that and they're building, they're doing the building blocks. They're following the plan, right?”

And then we've got, let's say the site format. Take in the blue prints and go and, all right, workers build this this house, this house out. TB4 or TB500, which is a small, an analog of TB4, would be the architect.

It'd be the one with the 3D structure that's impacting the, that cell structure itself and telling the form and what to do. Those two work together.

They also have some anti-inflammatory impact. They also enhance what's called angiogenesis, which is what needs to happen when you, when you hurt something. That, the inflammatory response itself is something that starts creating new blood angiogenesis, fancy word for creation of new microcapillaries, blood cells that are feeding that area and doing the repair. What does that do? That brings substrate material in and also clearances the waste products as it goes out, which is another important discussion is we're having the right substrate material to work with from a nutrition and supplementation standpoint.

“That's what products coming out. In clearance, so we've got that, and then GHK would be the master craftsmen.”

So GHK has 4,000 different pathways for, for improving healing. And it takes it to the next level. So it affects a lot of the more your white tissue, your tendons, the ligaments, skin, hair, nails, things like that. But it's going to take that home and make it better than it was before, making sure that everything's laid down the way that it should be, not just slapped together and structure thrown out. And then we might have KPV in there as well. That'd be the fourth one kind of in this healing protocol, and that's just a simple try peptide, so three amino acids.

And it's the firefighter. So that is the one that you might explore for the histamine reaction too, because it's a massive anti-inflamm. So it's going, because if that, if a fire breaks out, we're no longer building the structure, right? So KPV is making sure the body doesn't over respond, that it responds appropriately, and those inflammatory stay in controls. Everything's all right. Let's keep this process going. So you think of it more of insurance. It also rolls into autoimmune. So it's big for autoimmune.

A lot of times KPV is taken orally, because it does affect that that mucosal tissue as well. So it's really great for the gut and the lining, but the injectable version works as well. What is your take on oral BPC? Because I see that a lot, and even like BPC patches and things like that. What is the are those snake oil scam or the legit? If they're bound to an Argonate Salt, they are bio-available, and BPC is actually derived in the gut, ourself. So body protective compound is in the gut, and that's where that's from, but it needs to be bound to Argonate Salt to withstand the pH of the stomach.

It's not going to be as effective taken orally, but it can also be more effective. If I've got somebody with any sort of GI issues in flammatory, Crohn's disease, colitis, but also just, we've got leaky gut or other systems, symptoms that are going on, and particularly involved with any sort of autoimmune disease.

Almost always start people on oral dose of BPC, GHK, KPV, and then a few other things, LaRazatide, usually Tude Causewell.

They're talking to me, because I tried the injectable version of that, and I actually was not doing well with it, and I have, I've got diagnosed with this one, I was 23 and a whole host of other things.

“So, which I remember from our first podcast, so... - So, oral for those ones, if you have those issues, because I think a lot of our audiences kind of autoimmune chronic condition, sort of audience.”

I don't, I don't make any money selling that. I buy it from this company, Australia, the formulae, it's really tremendous, it's LVLUP. Hopefully we'll put it in the show, so I'll get all the links for you. - And I think you can do it, yeah, Duffin LVLUP, you can get a discount code on there. - Okay, okay. - But yeah, it's, it's tremendous product, you don't need to take it year round, it's something that you should see effects within 30 days. And so, one to two months of the one product I'm talking about, because it has all the other compounds in it, Zincill, Cardacene, like I said, the Laura Azatide, Tribute Irene, which is another unique fatty acid that is great for improving what I call the signaling terrain.

And that's what this product does, as well, doing that, if we've got that inflammatory response in the body, calming that down.

And this is just theory on my part, but I see a tremendous change when starting with a month or two of this for those individuals. And they may still have to do that, you know, once or twice a year, like things get out of control, or have some available where they take it for a few weeks, and then you just don't need to take it all the time. And my theory is it doubles up on the response, because we're also affecting the vagus nerve that mind body. So, we're just systemically having that systemic effect in the body of the cellular that those compounds are doing.

But we're doubling down, because that's also affecting the brain, and then that's affecting the outward neurology from that. So, you've got two pathways when you've got that out of control.

“That's what we really need to bring that systemic into control. So, really, really powerful to go that direction, and then we might switch to an injectable after that.”

And those, there's a lot of anti-aging docs that were prescribed those year round.

They're safe, highly effective. I still think cycling is a good approach. So, typically, if somebody, like anybody that's, let's say, 40 plus is going to see a benefit of running in eight to 12 weeks cycle a couple times a year of this. Like, it's going to improve. There's a lot of things that go on with improving your recovery. You're just going to move forward. So, joints are going to feel better. Your skin's going to be a little better. Like, the BBC and TB together also increase angiogen receptor density, which is basically allowing you to get more from the hormones that you do have.

Like, there's a lot that's going on there. So, you're going to find benefit.

The copper levels in your body start declining. You know, when you're mid-30s, and continue declining into, you know, your 60s and 70s. So, again, that is a great one to have in there.

So, that BBC, TB, angiage k, at least, KPV just depends on your inflammatory needs, or autoimmune. But that, a couple times a year for eight to 12 weeks cycle, but if you really like it, you're like, man, I want to run this all the time. You go 12 weeks on four weeks off, and you might go to, let's say, five days a week on two days off. And that's just more of a cost save. Like, if you've got like an injury and you're trying to heal it, take it every day. Like, you can take it till the cessation of the injury.

All right, you don't have to take time off. This is just good parameters. But I do that that five on two off because that makes a vial of what I sell, called the glow product, which has all three of those last month, makes it super easy, and it's pretty cost effective. And then I've got a rhythm and growth hormone analogs and all that stuff, which is really like, just as simple, if we didn't get into the mitochondrial agents, like, hey, I don't have mitochondrial dysfunction. I'm 40 plus, and I just want to feel and live better, that glow product, and a growth hormone analog time to appropriately to enhance your circadian rhythm.

Those two together are going to feel like you're unwinding the clock like 10 or 15 years.

“And have you gone to those ones yet, or you're just about to?”

I was just going to go to that, yeah. I have one quick question about cycling GLP, and then I would love to hear about those ones, because I know there are so many people in our audience who are currently microdosing tours out. And I'm also volunteer to this audience, so I'm curious, what technically could be good cycling behavior here? Because I did it for the first three months, and I was at the, I think it's the five milligrams, I think, then I dropped down to 2.5 milligrams for a few months, and I noticed my weight didn't come back.

My weight stayed where it was, but a lot of my autoimmune symptoms started to creep back. So I went back up just because to me, it's less about the weight and to me it's more just about not feeling like crap. Yeah.

“So what potentially could my future look like, and is there a, is there a beneficial way to think about microdosing tours up to as you look out into a future months or years?”

Yeah. Um, so just like, I'll just mention, read a true tide for a minute, and go back because actually my premium stack, my, I compare. Yeah, let me just, let me just get into this. Yeah, do. I just had the phase three trials with Eli Lilly, and they were phenomenal. They actually did it on patients with osteo, arthritis of the knees, okay, in the study, the average weight loss was.

Yeah, I remember I was looking at the 68.8 pounds and average of 30% of body loss now.

What's, I mean, that that's the most weight loss of any clinical study in history. I'm aware of. Somebody finds something, shoot me a message and let me know. So I quit miss speaking. So I'm, put the, I'm aware of, but I'm pretty confident that that's the most ever. But on the scale of one to ten for a pain.

“I think it was 80% of the folks had a reduction in pain of 4.5%. And one in eight had complete remediation of arthritis.”

That's amazing. That's amazing. And I bring it because that's, you're talking, you know, autoimmune disease, arthritis falls in, Athlas grows, that falls into that same category. Yeah.

That's that reduction. And now obviously, some of that is also related to the weight loss. Mm-hmm. On the knee.

But that certainly would not be all related to the weight loss.

Those are all compounding factors though, that need to be taken into consideration. So absolutely tremendous. There is no single better compound for body composition for dollar than read a true type. That one that triple agonist because it's got that glucogenone in there that drives the energy side of the equation. All right. So we've got the trip to Zepatide controlling insulin response, having some of that anti-inflammatory. But then we've got the addition of the glucogen, which is increasing the energy use.

So it's controlling that whole other side of that equation. But it drives it hard. So there's a cost of that. And so if you're using retatry tide, you will see like a negative impact on HRV, potentially not potentially. You will see an increase in your resting heart rate. Mm-hmm.

Because it's ramping that up. There's a cost. There's a high resting heart rate. Yeah. So retatry tide not be a good choice. Yeah.

So I consider that like a Corvette, amazing bang for your buck.

You want performance at the lowest cost. Mm-hmm. It's right there. But if you take Tursup Tide and combine it with MOTC and SS31, that's more like a Rolls-Royce or a Bentley.

I'm a Rolls-Royce kind of guy. Yeah, exactly. So this is not for everyone. Mm-hmm. But for the people, it's the right. What you're getting out of that, you're improving these longevity markers you're doing.

Because we're driving still the mitochondria, but in a softer cleaner way that is also more focused on the health side of those outcomes. So that would be that approach. Now the other, if you wanted to cycle those, is you could take that Tursup Tide Tursup season and go,

I'm going to do that that MOTC and SS combo.

“That Chris was talking about in some time off or some SLU, right?”

Where I'm going to get different pathways. So I'm not driving the same system, but I'm getting a similar result where it's going to create some leanness. It's going to create some health and reducing some of the improved my resistance. And that might have some effect on that.

Maybe I'll put the KPV in there at that period of time. Run the oral BPC. So there's a great eight or 12-week cycle that you can take. How much time do you think you could take off of the Tursup Tide without losing what you gained from it? Because I lost it probably in four to five weeks.

Like at least the physical symptoms. Yeah. Are you talking the autoimmune or the-- Yeah, just from the autoimmune side. Because my weight may be one up every.

So slightly it seems maybe like it was more just like I maybe was more bloated than I had been before. Just a little bit but kind of more natural. But yeah, I think different sort of pain and like histamine sensitivity and some more of my M-cast related symptoms. They started to creep back maybe four to five weeks after dropping my dose to half. So taking that product that has multiple compounds in there.

“You should be able to keep those in remediation at that period of time.”

Maybe you start that as you start tapering the dose. But I don't have a fixed answer. There's going to be the individual biology. And again, for someone else that's going to pay the hunger cravings control like that's a big issue. You could look at putting something on top.

So that one wasn't a big one for me, praise God. Just for your audience, right? Because there's the, yeah, there's the behavior modulation side of that, right? Which is, for anybody who doesn't know, like these will have an impact on alcoholism on gambling addiction. Like it's, it's not just the appetite. These pathways are connected.

Do you think that we're going to see in our next five years here, them start to actually be prescribed for addiction?

it's hard to overcome. And it's so phenomenal the level of impact that it has.

I, and maybe people could say discipline this or that, but you've never lived in those people's heads.

I've grown up around addiction and loss. And you've got to have some sympathy and understanding that there's some different wiring. And sometimes a reset can, you know, adding some help in there is not a bad thing. No. And so I truly hope so.

But Milana Tantu is another one that the, the people don't realize has some of those same qualities. Is that the one that makes you tan? It's the one that makes you tan, yes. So you're telling me that I can be tan and free of some of these symptoms. Yes, I'll also jacks up your, your sex drive and the.

Wow. Why have never been to England? They call it the Malantan or the, sorry, they call it the Barbie drug. They should call it Jersey Shore.

“I guess you should do stuff that I'm lying to.”

Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's pretty great little underrated compound because it affects,

in some of the same ways that the terms of tied can affect, like, mood as well.

If you've ever felt that sensation kind of stabilizing that, Milantan is actually a little bit better of for that. But it has those same addiction side of that. And I've used that with people for this specifically that have. What is the typical Malantan cycle look like?

How many days per week would you have to take it? There's a lot of different ways you can do that. You could micro dose that daily. You could also take it a couple days and a great way if you're focused on the tan. Inside is to take it like 15 minutes before your exposure to the sun or tanning that.

But there's also getting too tanned. And maybe I want those other benefits and I don't want the tan side. And then maybe like the micro dosing and doing that when you're time away from that. So I don't have a specific protocol for that. Because there is a high level of variability.

And it's one though. Anybody that tries to play with Milantan. It has some really bad nausea upfront.

“So you really want to start very, very low and then work that dose up.”

It's been a while since I've done the boyantan. So I'm not going to go through dosages with that. I personally like to have that. I like to level out kind of the mood and the craving side of that is typically when I'm putting that in it for some reason. I'm a period of year that that's kicking in hard.

I might use that as it's been a bit of been a while since I've done that. Or if I'm going to go on vacation to somewhere with a lot of sun.

Because people are always worried like Milantan, the cancer side.

It's actually. Protective. Yeah. I would think so. Yeah.

Just like thinking about the mechanism of it. I'm like, what? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's protective. So. Got it. But the nausea side can be pretty aggressive upfront. So that that can be off putting.

So do not take the high dosage of it. And again, that's where the micro dosing can come in. Like, okay, I took one seventh of the the dose. I felt nothing. Next day, add a little do it again.

You can kind of tailor that. Make sure that you're not doing that instead of going. Okay, I'm going to take, you know, take it three twice a week. And you take this full dose. That that'll hit you.

So you could also do that right before bed to limit those effects upfront on the nausea. That would be less effective for the teen. Just sleeping through nausea is not actually got it. I just sleep through it. So you were going to go into some more of the peptides that up to do.

“I think with kind of like growth hormone modulation or those like the tests and”

Rellen up and Rellen. Yes. Yes. All right. That is what the good.

Yeah. So growth hormone itself has been used for a long time in the anti-aging communities. I shift a lot of people away from growth home, especially once they try the approach and dosing. And I've used growth hormone in the past and my my my my lifting face.

And I find a pulsing our natural growth hormone. Being far superior. It is so much cleaner and has all your individual biochemistry. Let's say with it. And so there's two different ways that you can attack that.

And one is stimulating the hypothalamus. And the other is the growing receptor, which is also dissociate with the GLPs. Right. And so stimulating both of those is a dual pathway. So we've got ipamomorlin, which will stimulate one side.

And CJC the other with the ipamomorlin. You can also switch that out for let's say Tasmorelin, which you mentioned. I don't use Tasmorelin very often. People say often referred that as the Holy Grail. Because it is one of those FDA approved compounds.

But I find that it has a little bit higher impact on the sympathetic nervous system. So I have more people that have sleep disturbances from it.

And this part of the discussion starts getting very important. Time of day with our hormones and aligning those with our circadian rhythm. And when you first started it may seem pretty subtle. But subtle comes really powerful over time. This is one of those things that gets off with driving that, you know,

on that the adrenal side, cortisol, like all these things start breaking down. Some of that rhythm, that natural rhythm. And so doing these before bed is a really tremendous way of resetting that when you're natural pulses.

“You can add it again at the morning if you want to enhance muscle,”

you know, growth further or leaning further because it does have a leaning effect as well.

But we always start with an evening dose, which is opposite of how it gets used

in a lot of traditional approaches where it may be time ground exercise, particularly in the bodybuilding realm, or morning dose, we're going to do the evening. Very specifically, always going to do that. And then I like that I pedal more than in CJC, 1295, without DAC. So that's a shorter pulse that stays elevated less period of time again,

because of that pulsing time frame. So most recommendations out there I think are with the DAC, which is a longer lasting. So that pulse is the same sustained. We don't want to do that.

We want that pulse like our body has with that same rhythm. So those two different pathways you could start with just IPAM immoralin, which is less aggressive or Samoralin. That's another one that you could change with IPAM immoralin. That's a great entry level for folks.

If they want to do that, start with the Samoralin. And again, you're just hitting one side of those pathways. I've seen the Samoralin in a, you know, I think it was a capsule form under something like that, but should that be potentially effective,

or would you say that injections are superior on that one?

I always bear towards the injections,

unless it's specifically more orally bi-available. Your cost, your efficacy, all that is always going to be better. It has more than as another one that is put in capsule form a lot of times. If I'm doing that, I'm going to do injectable as well.

“That's just the approach, it's the best way to administer nearly all peptides,”

not necessarily all. And then, with those pulsing that, that circadian alignment, the tesmoorlin, another reason I've here away from that in addition to that sympathetic side, particularly in what I find females in 40 plus,

you get more water retention and bloat in there. We also have more injection site problems in pain with tesmoorlin. So, I think it's highly overrated, my opinion. People want to buy it, I'll tell them all. I've got it available, because some people are just set,

and I'm fine with that. It's an effective product, but that combo CGC-1295,

without the AC and I've had more than is amazing.

I recommend that five days a week, two days off, not from a cost-safe, but it's a regular protocol. That allows you to run this for pretty long links of time, almost like an ongoing basis.

“Maybe every now and then you might switch one of those”

to, like, Samorlin or tesmoorlin if you wanted to change that up. But that five on two off gives a day where we're not, you know, pushing that hypothalamus. And yeah, that combined with the, like, the global end. You start, like I said, you're like,

I don't feel, so we're from exercise. I feel better, my sleep. And that's where a lot of people switch from growth hormone. Once they try this, there's quality of sleep nearly instantly goes up. And that has immediate impact with that.

If somebody has some of those cortisol, melatonin disruptions, and we're not getting there fast enough with the CGC. I can't remember. We may use something called Epithalam. So Epithalam is an anti-aging that a lot of people don't realize the effect

that it has on circadian rhythm. So it's used around enhancing the telemere link, which is basically the unraveling of the DNA. It's, what sets our age? Like, we can't really age past.

It's around 120, 125 years, right? That's optimal. Everything's perfect. And then one more degraded. We live less than that, right?

But Epithalam is potentially, could enhance that. I don't know if I buy that until that actually starts happening. But it's really amazing for this circadian reset. And in fact, if you're traveling time zones,

it's a great one for jet lag, taking that right before after that period of time. That's something I like to employ with a lot of my clients that can have those big travel.

With a leading plastic surgeon located not too far from here,

it does really cool stuff. And he has his clients flying for surgery the week prior so that they can get that reset because the impact of those sleep cycles being off really effects the surgery and the recovery from that.

I'm like, hey, Epithalam, be a great product to intervene with for that. So that's one that you would run. And is it true that that's something that you actually have to be cautious about how frequently you use it.

I had someone tell me they can only use it like run a cycle of it once. I don't know if it was like once every six months or once a year. So I know.

You can run it more.

“I think that running it a couple times a year is valuable.”

So typically, and that's maybe where there was referencing is a lot of the protocols out there. Hey, do this twice a year at time train time. Because it basically makes the time transit. So it's a great time to employ that.

A 10 day cycle at 5 to 10 milligrams a day is the standard kind of approach when it relates to circadian reset. So you could run it more frequently than that. Yeah. All right.

So I'm really impressed with how deep you went on all those and assured people are eating this up at home. I would definitely connect with you afterwards just to make sure to get all the links. So just remember if you're watching or listening to this episode,

the show notes are going to be your critical place

to go to get all links and codes. I want to change gears and go a bit more into just how you see human potential at large. When you think about what human beings are capable of, what do you think we could possibly achieve over the next five

to 10 years if you get the conditions right? I want to be careful with how I answer this because I could come across as very, you know, woo woo or like if we're talking theoretical, particularly when we're saying things around medicine going,

“hey, I would like, I think that we should be able to heal certain”

diseases like it got to be careful with language around that. So I hopefully that audience understands that as I'm going through this. I think our audience is pretty woo open. And it's not necessarily woo just, I'm more concerned around like stating disease, stating compound, that gets into, you know,

dicey ground, more so with a lot of people that I work with. Because I am so involved in the clinical network. That's where a lot of my referrals come from is, let's say people in the back pain arena, people that specialize that they get to a certain point.

They've got nerve damage, so on, they're coming to me. I want to be careful not having a statement out there going, hey, Chris is saying you can cure cancer. All right, at the same time, the things that we're talking about and the advances in mitochondrial cellular medicine,

we're talking about the root drivers of nearly all disease pathways, our inflammation, mitochondrial decline, and reduction, and ATP generation break down in that process. Those are the three drivers of cardiovascular disease, metabolic disease, cancer, like, and cancer is a natural thing.

“You know, we get cancer like seven and night times a day, honestly.”

So it's not curing cancer, but creating environment where it doesn't proliferate. All right, so, and I work with a lot of leading stem cell docs globally, and I've seen some of the things that they're doing as well as well as the results that I'm talking about, and things that you've seen. Like personally, remediation of your autoimmune,

things that like your standard medical model you can't, you're not seeing happen. Being able to regenerate tissue. I mean, I had a case study, I think it was over five years ago, one that individual tore both quads off his knee.

You know, he's in the hospital, getting them reattached, he's in a wheelchair. Your standard model of care for this is 60% of people at two years still have pain or stiffness.

50% of people never return to play.

You're able to walk in a good case scenario, two miles at six months. All right. This individual was deadlifting 700 pounds in 10 weeks, and shortly thereafter, competing at the 0.001% of the population around the world for strength with zero pain or stiffness and complete.

I mean, that's impossible. Hmm, except it's not. It's not. The root driver, I mean, type two diabetes should not even be a thing at this point in time.

So, the things that we can do are amazing.

Just right now, and this is growing so rapidly with the ability to, our understanding at the cellular level.

“And I think that also that's going to compound with the use of AI”

to further understand the increase of these intricacies of what's going on there, that we can't necessarily map with the human mind. And again, having the availability of these compounds that can penetrate into those cells, I talked about the size of the amino of peptides. That's the value of it because that size has a low level of accumulation,

which is why it has such a high safety profile because it can't become toxic with those lower accumulation levels. But the size also allows it to penetrate that cell membrane that a lot of drugs can't do. And then I have one question because I understand everything that you're sharing and I can't help but think right now a lot of what you're talking about.

Kind of is on the periphery of the medical system. So how do we, what role does that play? Because I see that there's so much benefit but it seems like right now there's this huge line where a lot of what is working is kind of outside of the medical system.

“It is, which, some of those number of my clients are in the system, right?”

Yeah. And because, and I'll take this straight from, you know, the mouse of some of those clients that are doctors within our coaching module, right? Yeah. They are taught how to triage and deal with things when they're in a disease or,

yeah, triage state. But don't have the experience or exposure to the optimization. How do we deal with that, right? So that is one of the gap right there. Now, again, that whole,

the medical industrial complex, but at some point, what's happening right now with the cellular? We're getting, and we're starting to see this with them attacking the regulation around it, which just went in place, I think, December 8th, Bill went in place, which, which basically GOPs and SS31 need to be removed from sale. I haven't been issued a letter, so get 'em what you can.

They will always be available to our clients.

And the, I think that there's going to be a big pushback, and that's going to hurt us for a little bit, but at some point, you can't argue with the results. Yeah. And there is going to be a place where the medical industry has to change and start embracing. And when that happens, that's going to be amazing.

I mean, at the end of the day, come on. I'm a gym row that's helping dispense and change stuff that people aren't getting advice, and I'm getting referrals from that system. I people that want the care for their clients. That shouldn't be the case.

They shouldn't have to be the case. Sure, that's my income and my livelihood. It has a good safety profile, it should be something that we adopt. But I wonder, and this goes to perhaps more conspiratorial thread, I wonder how much of the resistance there is because ultimately,

if all these peptide compounds have the ability to really actually reverse a lot of disease for people, then what is big form of potentially losing in the long run. I think those numbers are probably ash, you know. Well, yeah, and the big thing is creating the state where we don't have that disease to begin with. Improving the terrain within our bodies, though that doesn't happen to begin with.

That's where the opportunity is. Like once it's happened, like it's worked to get back and then sustain, but that's where that potential is. And which is an interesting conversation at the end of the day, because so much of this like is created from our modern life.

Yes, we, you know, eliminated death from dysentery and all these other. Issues, but at the same time, you know, operating within the, this is where the woo woo. With the EMFs around us, the fluorescent lights, the stress, the chemicals in the, the water that so on, all of this is creating this horrible life.

People, the quality of food is incredible.

Like all these things have like, let's get back to basics. We've talked in peptides. I'll just, the end of the day, the amazing medicine is getting some sunlight. Touching the ground and eating whole foods that are in season and getting good sleep. If we can get that and then also remove, you know, death from malaria and dysentery and, you know,

but put that together, you know, that's where the modern world has the advantage,

“but it's, you know, we're working against those other pathways and that's what we're doing.”

Peptides, if I build peptide protocol for somebody who's 23 years old, it's not going to do a damn thing. They were in good health if I put together a peptide protocol for somebody who's 50.

their mind, their body, everything's jacked, they're at a whole, another level. It's like life changing. Well, we just turned black the clock to them being, you know, 28. Well, that's going to look pretty. That's what that's going to look like.

Well, the 23 year old, though, because then you never do the damage in the first place, hypothetically.

Hypothetically, yes. Hypothetically. But if we're doing the right things, like, I mean, just eating the whole foods in season. For example, these are signals for mitochondria to know what season it is and whether they should be producing infrared light themselves.

Particularly if they're of a genetic halo type that doesn't that isn't quite a to living in ponderé, which they're going to have in the, the research is really clear for those with that genetic halo type living in Canada or Chicago or so on. Cardiovascularities, heart disease, diabetes. These are all through the roof because the cold signal is not being sent that tells

the body to send them infrared light internally during the winter. I have been in health industry forever. I have never heard somebody say before that the reason you eat foods that are in season is because it signals what season you're in. So thank you.

There's the first for everything.

Yeah, so it affects the quality of your food, affects your mitochondria. There's the water that isn't that is different. There's not going to be the same. Like it's structured in a fashion that all like that is what is moving into that membrane of the mitochondria as well.

So these things are really important. When you're sitting down to that healthy meal, go, I am feeling my mitochondria to perform better. And this is actually going to make me mentally stronger. It's going to make me lean out.

“Because it doesn't matter about the calories anymore in this meal, right?”

These are the feel. It's cold out. I should grab my jacket. You know what? I'll just go on this walk without it.

I should be getting this at this time of year to some level. Come for it's great. But I need to tell my body where I'm at and how it's supposed to be responding. I love that. What is the typical plate look like for you?

Do you eat pretty simply? Do you eat the same general foods repetitively? I eat based on season. I absolutely amazing. So my wife's been on food network in the cooking channel and some part of competition shows.

And so we whole foods cooked in the home all the time. And you know what? On the drive up here, I grab McDonald's. Like, I'm not a nut.

“But the majority, 95% of the time, that's what we're eating.”

Like, my kids, if they want to go to something, you know, they're, it's meat and veggies and fruits that's how they're stacking their plate just because it's been in the example. And that's where we just from a parenting thing. I really believe in the so much that goes wrong with how people talk about weight loss and diet and things like that around their kids that influence just lead by example. Make sure you're going to the gym. They'll see it.

Make, see how you actually eat and prepare food, it will make those changes. Don't drive things into them so they're going to obsess over through the course of their life and have to deal with when they're way, way, way here and dealing with it. Yeah, that's so. Yes, we eat good, but it's also not like super restrictive. Yeah, not absolutely.

You know, exactly. I want to close with a couple of rapid fires. Are you ready to rapid fire? Yeah. And then I also want to make sure that we get where everybody can find you and all the good stuff that we talked about today.

Okay, so I'd like you to reach of these on a scale of one to ten. Okay. And then I've got to follow up as well. So obviously ten tons the best ones the worst ones like no benefit as well. Skip it.

Okay. Patrick therapy. Peptide therapy. Yeah. Ten.

Okay. Red light therapy and photo biomodulation. Oh. Nine. Cold blunding.

Okay. If it makes you feel good, like I talked about cold, there's value, but understand what it's for. You can be misused in it often is. So I'm going to say three. Okay.

I have a cold punch. And I said three. Okay, I like it. Just supplementation in general.

Food whole foods in season is amazing.

I'm a supplement junkie though at the same time because there's so much deficit in our current food supply. Can we define supplementation as that?

“I think the way I'm looking at it is like people targeted supplementation.”

I'm looking at it as kind of like how people just are like, oh, I heard about this thing and they're just kind of haphazardly loading on. Yeah. How most people take supplements is probably a two right it's probably actually doing I'm trying I'm trying to create a product called terrain which is for optimizing the signaling terrain.

I literally have my own supplement company and I'm working on developing some additional that work, but it's more about.

Peptides are a 10. If I can enhance peptides by using a supplement protocol that's a six.

“Like that that's how I'm thinking about I don't think everybody's looking for supplements is like here's the magic answer when they're looking at supplements.”

Supplements can enhance other things.

There is it's in the word supplement.

Yeah, go to go with to go with. Love it vibration therapy. I haven't dug into the I'm going to know right on that one because I haven't dug into the research on that one yet. I'm a big fan frequency frequency healing devices like sound or any like the frequency machines.

“I think that PMF is severely underrated right now so most electro magnetic frequency so it does a number of things the research and it's FDA approved for bone healing.”

And the formation of the osteoblast but it does so much more so we could talk about we'll go back to supplementation here really quick too, right so I talked about NGO genesis and I talked about delivering substrate material and glaring waste product. Well, peptides are enhancing that well if I take a supplement and it's targeted and it's creating improving vasodialation and maybe improving into the Leo tissue quality that lining the blood vessels, then I'm going to be able to deliver more substrate and be able to pull more from that.

If I get underrated, if I get out on a pulse electro magnetic frequency device, what am I going to do? I'm going to take those microcapillars and it's going to be bone open close open close and I'm going to be able to deliver both that stuff to that hard to reach or new tissue that we're trying to match at the same time. I'm also going to prime that mitochondrial membrane I'm going to missing the the verb is on that one. It's improving the the gradient so there's this gradient charge and it's charging that membrane it's charging the cells of the battery at that mitochondrial level so I love pent because it's so multi pathway and so stackable.

Is there at home, Pem? Yes, I sell one great imagine that but it's because they're so overpriced. Mine is the same call you can go so higher dose and bond charge have some great quality units, but they're like $1,500 and so I buy from the same factory it's rebranded in my my brand. I hope to get into some more medical device stuff because yeah the pricing on that that they're selling to those is huge, but the value with Pem. And this is why I'm trying to make it economical, selling it up you know under a thousand dollars for the same unit is being able to do it.

And a regular basically same thing with red light and so being able to have that at home versus going to an office and do it once a week or once a month doesn't provide much benefit. But eight to ten minutes like in the morning at a high frequency which also kind of ramps you up and gets you more cognitive. And the morning and evening eight to ten minutes you can do it longer if you want to do your red light at the same time so that you're not you're stacking that stuff right. 20 minutes take your GHK take your GHK injection around the same time which the red light then primes and you're going to probably see an impact on your HRV it all builds up.

I'm going to try that I've never taken it night before.

Yeah try that around the red light so I like red light so it's interesting to like red light take in during the middle of the day doesn't do much. timing it with when we're supposed to be getting that in the morning or evening Ray light is really valuable. It's really interesting how the body doesn't response to that and if we get into. It's really interesting like the red light therapy I was just reading this study where they expose the tibia.

“Yeah so 300% elevation in the time following that some people that last for like four to six days most people you know the half life is you know six to eight hours so that's the twice a day.”

Pemp that kind of the similar thing as well so yeah I sell a pemp that same as everybody else's but it's just I try to make it accessible to my clients and anybody else that follows me the things that I believe in we shall link to that on the show notes as well emotional nervous system regulation work. 10 can I doing work on yourself is so important in that can expand beyond that I'm sure you picked up on a pretty big believer in introspective work so yeah.

How you see yourself and how you see the world and how you see yourself in the world. You've got the mechanical interface to buy on mechanics which was my past company it's the train it's like getting out and having physical resilience in the world the body. We've got cellular and then we've got our our our our mind right so it's.

“Those are the the things and that's what I try to focus on with the work of the individuals I work with that's that's.”

The enhanced executive is my coaching platform right so yeah incredible incredibly important after it overlooked.

Why are you in the state that you're in that you need the peptides. What are the behaviors that are holding you back from achieving the potential. That you can't have like we need we need to dig into that and personal master. You have potential because some people don't right like that's one of the things that I see worked on is they don't even see that they have potential. I'm the person with that.

I've been in the sea like this forever. I'm you know people define themselves when you talk about victim mentality they will. These things become the definition of self handicapping. I don't I've got the opposite I think I'm in this long can achieve anything. What about strength training.

Ten ten just that's one of. Yeah mind body cellular like we just hit all those those are those are key pillars. If you want to optimize yourself you need to be thinking down that pathway. As we close the episode.

Is there one kind of key takeaway you want people to leave with in how they go from wherever they are.

Whether they've never started peptides or they're already kind of dabbling in peptides. What is the message you'd like to leave them with as they continue on the next phase of their journey. I think I'll leave them without the peptides side and we'll just hit some of the big things that don't cost you much anything. But hit one those three pillars. All right mind cellular you know your body strength strength.

All right the other basis of your health. Get good sleep. It's prioritize sleep. Touch the ground. Get sunlight.

Eat whole foods that are in season. Oh and strength strength sorry yeah well that's one of the other things.

“So those are basics when you're attacking life is a whole this six piece.”

Understanding where you're at precipice the plunged the pit the whole peak in the plateau. And what you need to do that each one of those. Peptides are an icing on top or you know if you've got some significant issues.

Reach out to me or my team we can help with that you know they're amazing.

They're doing a great adjunct. But let's not forget those big things in life. I love that. I got nothing to sell on those so but you know like it's just. Well it's the authentically it's not about the sale.

It's not helping people get better. I wouldn't ever have a new one on my show that was just about the sale. I had one person once and that episode number air. It was like okay. Yeah it's not happening.

Where is the best place for people to find you? Chris Duffin.com. You can type in Chris Duffin pretty much on any social media. I'm not I've actually kind of gone away from social media. I'm going back into YouTube.

You can also look for Matt usually my handle is Matt under score scientist under score Duffin. Which should be on Instagram and YouTube and everything else so. And how do people find your peptide company? Let's go to Chris Duffin.com click on peptides. It's a separate website because of the regulation.

And when you go to Chris Duffin it'll probably redirect you. So it should be enhanced.executive.com and shop. And enhanced.executive.com for the peptide store. Amazing. Thank you so much for coming on the show.

You're such a wealth of information. And I'm sure people grabbed out notebooks and pens and pencils for this. I was really looking forward to this after our podcast and it was a great conversation. Thank you so much. Thank you.

And thank you for also just sharing so openly about your experiences as a child. I'm a firm believer that many of the people who do go on to be successful in business and change the world typically do so out of prolonged periods of hardship as a child. So your testament to that. And make sure that if you have done break or your break practitioner that you do chime in

“in the comments about what you think is very important.”

Because I'm going to give them the link and we're going to see if we're right. Until next time everybody, we'll see you soon. Bye.

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