Discharge? Discuss: Creamy, Dreamy and Sometimes A Bit Meany

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Can I have a seat there? Hi, hello and welcome, we are your co-host, Dr. Sharmini and Nurse Ellie. And this is for Goodness 6. Bungjuk! Bungjuk!

“Alright, what are we going to talk about today, Ellie?”

So today, the topic is Discharge Disgust. The Journal Discharge. The Journal Discharge. Yeah, vaginal, vaginal, vaginal, vaginal. I think what is the goal?

Whatever in terms of how to say it? Yeah, I think both of the fine, I think so, vaginal, vaginal, whatever it feels more comfortable for you. Yeah.

Yeah, basically what's normal and what's not, I don't know about you, but I grew up

with absolutely no insight or education around my pussy and it's juices. Oh, absolutely not. None. Zero. No.

It was scary. I'm not going to lie. So I'm so that when I was 12 years old, I convinced myself that I was into sex. I didn't know, yeah, I didn't know what that term was at the time. But I did think that I was either a boy or half boy, half girl.

I thought that my clitoris was a tiny penis and that discharge was spent in my underwear. Wow. Yeah. I didn't know what a clitoris was. I didn't know what discharge was.

Yeah. Like, when I was in year seven, the group of girls and I had a sleepover and started talking about it and they told me that they also got discharged and we called it snow. Oh, that was cool. That was cool.

Yeah. I was like, oh my god, you guys snow too and they're like, yeah, I snowed. Wow. Yeah. And I was like, oh my god, I'm not.

“I honestly thought not that like, and obviously there's absolutely nothing wrong”

with being in sex and there's very common as common as redheads. But at that time as a really young girl, I honestly had no idea what was going on with my body. I did not know. Wow.

Yeah, I just did not know. Yeah, it's interesting because I don't have quite that experience, but I certainly grew up in a very conservative household where we didn't really even discuss periods, genitals, anything, really. And yeah, I don't think I ever even felt comfortable acknowledging that I had discharged.

Like, it was almost so taboo and so not even relevant to my existence that anything that happened down there was just not worth giving energy to. But conversely, you obviously, a lot of your thought process went into that. And I think that has inadvertently led me to be less informed as an adult because I just didn't give any thought just happened.

And I didn't really have any concept of whether it was normal or not, it was just something that happened.

And I never felt comfortable discussing it with anybody, particularly my parents or even

my friends. So yeah, it's a really interesting conversation because obviously we've both had very different perceptions of discharge.

“If it was when it was occurring for you, did you not want it?”

Did you research? How did you figure out what you did? I just thought, okay, well, that's happened because I don't even remember being taught it in high school. No.

I was not taught. No. On reflection, I was just thinking back to our sexed. I went to an all-girl school and our sexed was combined with the brother school. And it was very much condoms on bananas.

And a lot of talk about penises and condoms. Yes. But I'm a bad gym teacher. Yeah. And I remember learning a lot about nocturnal emissions.

I learned a lot about that. Yes, so did I. So nice. Yeah. That thing about my own discharge and nothing about my menstrual cycle.

No. No. And yeah, I think that's, yeah, well. So we're thinking about it now, isn't it? Yeah, it really makes me, it does make me angry.

Yeah. I'm going to be too young. Yeah. It makes me angry.

“Yeah, I think maybe when I had a symptom or some discharge, I kind of just said,”

okay, well, if it's there in a few other days, then I'll, I'll consider it an issue.

But yeah, I don't even think, I think I was, it lived such a sheltered life that I never

really gave it any thought, even when my period came along, which I think we've both got a first period story we could have talked about at another time, but yeah, well, okay. So that was that, but yeah, now at 31 years old, I can genuinely say that I love my discharge. Great. I love her.

I'm obsessed with her. Love that. She protects me, she fights for me, she sign posts me, and she's my very own messaging system. That's beautiful.

So, discharge is not gross, it's not disgusting, and it's not shameful, it is very, very normal. Yeah. And I think obviously, what we've just discussed about our upbringing and how we came to learn about discharge or didn't come to learn about discharge, does shape our views.

I see this constantly in work where people are ashamed or think that the discharge is disgusting. Yeah.

In the amount of apologies.

Oh my God. Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I did this. I'm so sorry.

“It's just like, why are we apologizing for something that's a normal human experience?”

Yes. It's heartbreaking isn't it? It's heartbreaking. Yeah. People that I see wearing pantyline is every day because they feel like it's gross.

So, you know, and yeah, it's hard to watch. So, I do have this conversation like daily, face-to-face and on the phone with people. So, yeah, I guess today I'm just here to inform you of what the school systems and maybe your parents failed to. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So, yeah, your discharge can change. It changes with your hormones throughout your cycle. It also changes throughout your lifetime and there's heaps of other varying factors like

having kids and diet, everything. You know. But your vaginal discharge is needed. It keeps your vulva and vagina moist and keeps infection away. And this is because discharge is acidic.

Yeah. So, if you've ever had bleached bits on your underwear from discharge, have you ever had that? If you've ever washed your underwear, sometimes the discharge can mix with certain washing powders and can lead bleached stain bits on your underwear. No more.

Well, that's saying no more. That's normal. I also used to be so ashamed of this. I had no idea me and my friends, so I just slide back. We have this little bit where, because you know, we're all probably a little bit neurospatial

little bit. That's true, right? You know. So, we have a new bit where we're like, and that's normal.

“If I remember that, oh no, so sorry, I can't have my hot food touch my cold food because”

that makes me feel weird. Am I again? It's normal. Normal. It's normal for you.

It's normal for you. Yeah, yeah. It's normal. What is totally totally. Yeah.

Yeah.

So yeah, basically, vaginal discharge, it's a mixture of cells, a mixture of sweat, of

mucous oils and bacteria. So typically, it can range from clear to creamy in color. Sometimes maybe with a slight yellow tint as well, and it can also change consistency throughout your cycle. And these are all very normal things you're describing.

This is normal. Yeah. Okay, absolutely. Normal vaginal discharge shouldn't really have an offensive odor or cause irritation. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah. So, they're the signs of symptoms that we're looking at that's telling us, okay, maybe something's going on. Yeah. Yep.

And, you know, leaning into that, what you said about how protective vaginal discharge is for us, I think, in the scientific world, we know that there's lots of good evolving evidence that the vagina has its own microbiome. So we hear a lot about oral microbiome, gut microbiome. And now we're just really engaging in a vaginal microbiome.

Yeah. Which is really cool. It's really cool. We care about, we know we've got a really good body research about antibiotics and stress and other food and things affect our gut microbiome.

And now we're realizing, actually, this also affects the microbiome in our vagina.

work in harmony. Wow. Sorry, I had to do it. Oh, yeah, I did. I love that.

I love that.

You know, they play a really important role.

And if we're not looking after it in the way that it deserves, it's probably not going to be very happy. Yeah. I'm going to keep it happy. We love it.

Yeah. But it's so true. It's so true.

“And that's what I was just going to say is, you're out, you know, the microbiome, the”

vag -- it's self-cleaning. Yes. Exactly. No. It's nothing dirty about it.

It's doing its own thing in there. Yeah. The vagina's self-cleaning. It does its own thing in there. It's actually magic.

So we don't need to be overcleaning, or do sheing, or using fem fresh water, getting in there, you know, just warm water. And if the best thing is actually soap-free washers as well. Absolutely. Yeah.

Just water. Just water. Just water. She got it. She got it.

She got it. You're so right. And I think like -- and you're probably going to touch on this about what abnormal is, right? And I think that when we do these things and disturb the microbiome, it predisposes us

to having an abnormal form of discharge, which causes problems, right? And then I think it is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy, because then we're like, oh my God, you know, maybe this smell is occurring. I'm going to continue washing it. Yeah.

This smell. And that's actually causing more harm than God. Yes. Correct. So yeah.

Yeah. Leave her alone. She's got it. Yeah. Rinsing with water is enough, or soap-free washers.

We don't need to use products or do sheing. Yeah. And things like that. Because yeah, as I said, it can disrupt the microbiome. Yeah.

And disrupt the flow. Totally. And what, so we talked a little bit about normal discharge. So you said it was clear, occasionally creamy, and occasionally can have a yellow tint. Is it correlating with your cycle by any chance?

“Can you get other forms of discharge in your cycle?”

Absolutely. Yeah. Obviously, everyone's cycle is different, everyone's discharges different. Yeah. It will change that your cycle.

Sometimes, just after your period, you might not have much discharge at all. And if you do, it might be a bit thick. You might notice when you're ovulating that it's almost kind of gluing. Yeah. I can egg whites.

Yes. Yeah. Exactly. It can be quite sticky. Yeah.

So I guess some of the abnormal symptoms that people need to look out for what would they be. Yeah. Absolutely. Um, any sort of offensive ODAR.

Yeah. I remember my first BV infection. And me and BV are the best friends. We are best friends. BV.

Do you actually never had BV?

Oh, no. Lucky you. Well, this is the thing. I think once you do get it, you are prone for a, it's prone to be a current. Correct.

Yeah. You're looking to get it again. Yeah. And I do believe it is, it is actually more common in same sex relationships like women A-Fab relationships.

Um, I don't know why. I wonder if it's just because we're out here doing the most oral. Yeah. I'm actually not sure. Yeah.

I'm not sure. Maybe that's why we can look into. Yeah. I've had my, my running with BV. The first time I actually noticed it was because I actually emptied my menstrual cup

and noticed the smell of my period blood. Yeah. Was offensive. Yeah. To say the least.

“I remember going in the GP, and she was like, can you describe it to me?”

Like, what did it smell like? And I was like, it's not like death. It just smell like death. She was like, um, like Vichy. Yeah.

Like just fucking death and just fucking corpse riding over the fuckers wrong me. Nice. Terrific. Good. Once again.

I had no idea. Once again, I hadn't had routine SDI testing. Yeah. I was probably early 20s. Yeah.

I hadn't been having sex since I was what 17. And I don't think I'd had testing because it just, no, it just, no, and told me to. We did not. We didn't learn about that. I didn't.

We just learned that we needed to use a condom. And if we didn't, we didn't know it. We wouldn't talk. What to do about that. Yeah.

Absolutely. Yeah.

So that was my first experiences, BV.

When you say the word offensive, um, just, what does that mean for people? Because I know sometimes I say in a history, I say, did you, do you have any offensive discharge? That's quite a broad term. What are some other terms people might think of?

Or, or like correlation? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, did your discharge grow in arm and punch you in the face? Then you got BV.

I'm sorry. Wow. That was amazing. I had to add that to my next history taking. Oh gosh, no, no, okay, but in all seriousness, um,

yeah, well, people do often talk about BV. And that's back to your supervisor's baguai. I'm so sorry. I don't know if I skipped over what we were talking about, but just to circle back

for a second, it's back to your supervisor's.

I think we were actually just talking about what abnormal discharge is, what an offensive order is. Okay.

“You need to talk about your first episode of BV.”

Because I think you've been doing so well, I don't know, but I don't know if I'm straight to one. All right, Ellie, we know that a common cause of abnormal discharge or offensive discharge is something called bacterial vaginosis or BV, and tell us a bit about it. That's what I'm saying. So, BV or bacterial vaginosis, it's caused by a disturbance in our bacterial flora.

Okay. BV is common and affects one in three women or people born with a vagina or reproductive age.

I also has a high-reoccurrence rate, and it does impact the quality of life.

Yeah, absolutely. It all does. Yeah. The symptoms of BV is, it does cause quite a fishy odor. Yeah.

It's distinct smell. Correct. All right. All right. All right.

That you can notice. It also makes your discharge, sometimes going to be quite thin and watery, maybe gray, maybe a bit bubbly, sometimes even a bit pink, especially as well. Yeah. And the smell is often more noticeable after sex or during menstruation, as I mentioned

with me.

“So, yeah, Dr. Sharmini, how would we diagnose BV first of all?”

Yeah. Obviously, we would take a good history, and we would identify that we have those symptoms. So, you've mentioned fishy smelling malotorous discharge, often perfuse in large quantities. And then we would probably do some testing.

The first thing we would do would be to examine you and test the pH.

So if the pH is elevated, we know that an early, very aptly mentioned that our vaginal microbiome discharge is acidic, mostly. So this is now acolytic, and that would be able to be defined with a little strip that we use. And there's actually a set of criteria that we use for diagnosis called the amcel criteria.

So we need three of the four following. So this thin white grape discharge that we mentioned, elevated pH, and a with test. It's actually got a with test. So you take a with and you'd basically smell the smell that was identified by the client. And then the fourth thing we would do at the same time is we would take a high vaginal swab

and send it off for microscopy. And you would see what we call clues cells, which are specific to bacterial vaginalosis. Now you might be wondering, well, if someone comes in with these symptoms and it's, as you say, can be quite disabling, we will often preemptively treat without the clues cells on microscopy because that takes a little while.

So usually if it looks and smells like BV, we just treat it. It's probably BV. Yeah.

“Creating it is really important, aside from quality of life, we know that it can have complications”

as well. So very rarely it can cause something called pelvic inflammatory disease, pretty rare to cause it, but it's a possibility. It can have implications in pregnancy with premature labor or cardiomyenitis and infections and postpartum endometritis.

It can also increase your risk of acquisition of other STIs as well. So if you have BV, you are more likely to get familiar, gonorrhea, herpes, and even HIV. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

And just to touch a little bit more on the science, because I love sounds a little nerd, please. So we know that the microbiome is very diverse and we know that they kind of function in a symbiotic relationship, which means they all work together. Love it.

This is actually a dyspiosis essentially, so all the bacteria are not kind of in harmony

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And interestingly, we don't actually have one specific bacteria that causes bacterial vaginosis. It's actually an absence of lactobacillus or a reduction in lactobacillus, which you make

you know, in terms of the probiotics that we receive on the market.

And then basically a higher diversity of anaerobic bacteria.

And there's a few, there's four different species. We don't need to go into the details, but there's four potential causative bacteria. And it's basically how they interact and then produce the discharge. So yeah, it's interesting.

“And I think there's also evidence to suggest that with the treatment, which I'll touch”

on, can then increase your risk of having BV, again, because you're having an antibiotic essentially. Yeah. It's so rude. Yeah.

It's actually so rude. Yeah, so rude. So there's a couple of ways to treat it. So the current Australian guidelines for treatment is the use of a oral antibiotic called metronidazole.

And it's taken.

It's one tablet twice a day for seven days.

It's a pretty good antibiotic. It can cause a bit of a metallic taste on your mouth, a bit of a tummy upset. And can influence your response to alcohol, so it's something to keep in mind when you're taking it. Very important.

If that is not practicable for you, you can use a gel. Now, metronidazole gel that you insert into the vagina every night for five nights, although that is a lot more expensive, so that might not be a good option for everybody. And then you can also use another antibiotic called clindamycin, similarly, but use that for seven days.

And obviously there are other guidelines that you can use if people have allergies to those things. Is that a clindamycin gel? Yeah. It's a clindamycin gel.

Yep. So yeah, that's how you treat it. Now, there has been some new development. Yeah, there's been some new developments. Tell us about that.

Yeah. So, BV has, I guess, historically, been an infection that's associated with intercourse. You've learned those things. Yeah. A associated rather than an STI, we know that STI can carry heavy connotations whilst we're

trying to stick to the man and get rid of that. Sometimes we can't. But now, actually, there's been some emerging evidence to suggest that it is an STI. Now, I've struggled to sort of reconcile the significance of this.

“I think it might evolve in terms of screening and the consequences of BV being a bit more”

recognized. But I'm not sure how we're going to get around the terminology. We're trying to reassure people that BV is quite normal. Yeah. And I share that.

Yeah. I do. Yeah. And so, a landmark study came out in the New England Journal of Medicine that was actually done in East Coast Australia for our international intelligence.

[LAUGHTER] It's a type of idea. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I love it, I love it. Where they were looking at actually treating male partners.

So disclosure, this study was done in heterosexual couples. So for the purposes of this study, women and men.

And they basically looked at where the men were, I guess, a reservoir for certain types

of bacteria that would increase the likelihood. Probably. [LAUGHTER] Actually, I remember the prohibitive probably. And so, they were looking at episodes of recurrence in heterosexual couples.

And women were being treated, but they're kept getting episodes over and over again. And so, they looked at basically treating the male partners. And the results were quite promising. But it often would rely on 100% adherence by the male to take the full treatment, which is difficult for everybody.

But basically, it's a combination of an oral and topical treatment. And it was statistically significant enough to reduce the recurrence rate at 12 weeks. So this is really cool. This is a really cool, sort of a lot we call landmark study. So it's really kind of evolved the treatment paradigm, I suppose.

Because we're really obviously focusing on women and this context. But now we can potentially do that for men. Yeah, that's very cool. So yeah, that's a summary of the treatment for BV. Thank you so much for sharing that.

That was fun. Yeah, that was awesome. Great. Cool.

“All right, Ellie, what's next on our causes of abnormal discharge?”

Okay. So what's next? Is the rush, good old candidises. And the diases. And the diases.

And the diases. That's the one. So the rush is essentially an overgrowth of yeast.

before, Sharma, it can change down your cycle as well.

Yes. But symptoms of thrush include usually like a Volvo, itch, or discomfort. Sometimes dysuria and dysparusia. Yes, dysparusia. Yes, dysparusia.

Yes. Yes. I mean, it's fine. It's a hard word. But that it is.

So the plays at home. That was a painful intercourse. Thank you so much for Sharma. Continue. Yes.

So each discomfort often paired with thick white discharge.

Almost like people often refer to it as like cottage cheese. Yes. Yes, it's charge. Yeah. And once again, everyone's different, but yeah, that is one of the main sciences.

So this thick white, clumpy discharge. Not really any odor. Sometimes some Volvo, Volvo, Volvo, Volvo, Volvo, Volvo, Volvo, Volvo, Volvo, Volvo. Erathema, so redness and swelling. Great.

“So how would we diagnose and how would we treat thrush?”

Yeah. Yeah. So again, much like BB, it's the clinical presentation. If it looks and smells like thrush, it probably is. All those thrashes don't really have a smell like suppose.

If it looks and feels like thrush. Yes. Yeah, yeah, so all the symptoms that Ellie mentioned, the way we diagnosed it again would be similar to bacterial vaginosis, but there's no specific criteria. It's really just diagnosed on a swab, which probably worth mentioning at this point in

time when we do STI screening. We don't actually test for bacterial organisms and screening, but if someone has symptoms, we would add on a hi-vajinal swab, which would inadvertently be testing for BB and candidises. So that's a hi-vajinal swab.

So like when going in for a routine STI testing without symptoms, we don't do it. We wouldn't say wouldn't routinely test for BB or thrush, so you do have to say if you're having some discomfort or some issues, you actually, if you're wanting to get tested for those specific conditions, then you do have to sometimes, I know it's uncomfortable, but do voice if you have any concerns to your clinician, because it does affect what tests

they order for you. Yeah.

“And I think leading on from the BB discussion of it being an STI, that may be now part”

of screening, but I don't know yet. So watch this. Yes. It's a two-center tell. The picture of that.

So the main causative organism in candidises, we cannot entice just a one strain called candidacy. candidacy. There's two that we treat, so candidacy albicans is the most common one, and that can be treated with a once-off flick on as old tablet that you can readily get from the pharmacy

over the counter. So I don't need a script to get that one. You don't need a script, which is really good. Yes. I think the cost depends where you get them from, but the once-off tablet is a possibility.

The other ones you can use are an intra-viginal cream, commonly a clotrimous all-creen, and that can be a very different, various courses of duration, so three to six days, or they can come in a passory format as well. For recurrent episodes, so if you've got the candidacy albicans confirmed on a swap, you can actually do what we call "suppressive therapy", so if people are very unfortunately

experiencing recurrent thrush, which can happen all the ways of dull. That's hard.

That's our favourite little reason, you can, yeah, you basically do a sort of an intense induction

of treatment, and then you're basically on a maintenance treatment weekly for six months. Wow. It's interesting because if you come off the suppressive therapy, it doesn't necessarily mean that you won't get another episode, but it's sort of the best we have in the moment.

That can be quite prohibitive in terms of cost, so we're looking at a six-monthly treatment regime, so it is something that we do discuss in detail in terms of costs of treatment as well. Time maintenance. Yeah.

Yeah. And then sometimes we get a strain called candida, glabrata, and that is why, as Elie's

“mentioned, if you have symptoms, it's really important to get tested, because even”

if you know the signs and symptoms of thrush, which, you know, you do now, you're talking about it. You go to the pharmacy and you get the treatment, and it's still not going away. You could have this other strain, so this is why we just test, it's free, it shouldn't be something you're ashamed of, and if we catch the right strain, then we can adjust

our treatment. And so, the candida glabrata is treated with a boric acid suppository at nine for 14 days,

I guess the main takeaway is that like, this is something that does affect your quality of life, and it is treatable, you know, even though it's a bit of a process, but that's what our conditions are here for, so if you're struggling with it, I guess don't feel like

“you have to just live with your current BV or thrush.”

Exactly. Like, yeah, see, visit your GP or your local sexual health clinic, because someone specialized in that area, and there is treatment methods for you, because everyone deserves to pop their course confidently, totally, and I've been there, and I know that feeling, so yeah, good advice.

Thank you very much. And then I guess to end, my final advice is that vaginal health is vaginal wealth, baby,

“so, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.”

Here's just some little tips and tricks, do's and don'ts, to help prevent some of these conditions.

So, first of all, let it breathe, let it breathe, oh my gosh, so, look, obviously, not everyone

is comfortable doing this, but I love sleeping naked. I just let it breathe, you know, let it breathe, that is one thing that can help, but otherwise, different types of underwear, also, so cotton underwear, but you can also get bamboo underwear, which is super breathable, so that's actually all I wear now, after having multiple run-ins of BV, a good website that I use or a good brand is called booty,

like body, but with two O's, they do bamboo underwear, they also do period underwear, they do sports clothes, I just find the bamboo, a lot more breathable, yeah, using natural fragrance free soap free washers, yep, or just water, yeah, no need to do, or like wash inside the vagina, and also, no need to use the products like FIM fresh, please don't, please don't use those, it's just manual, yeah, they're lying to us, they really, really are,

your vagina doesn't on her own, let it do it yourself, cleaning one of machines, they

are strong and powerful, okay, so, yeah, urinate after six, urinate after six, urinate after

It's quite a cheer. I just feel very strongly about it. I'm very, very important. But it also helps you use you guys. So yeah, please do, please. After you've done, who's? Do you can get probiotics over the counter? I didn't chemist that is for good vaginal health. I'm an emotional for her. Look, I take them myself. Yeah, it's tricky. The evidence is evolving. Again, evolving. Like everything in evolving. I used that word, evolving. Wow. I love that. Now, obviously, I mentioned before about the lactobacilly being lactobacillus, being, I think we want lots of. And that is available in our probiotics that we get marketed, even the ones for the gut, as well as, again, it's really tricky.

Yes, anything, you just make the product, and you combine and use it. I don't know if it's that effective. Some sexual health physicians that I work with may suggest compounded probiotics for people with chronic discharge. And that's a whole other thing that if there's no specific identifier, they will do intra vaginal probiotics.

So that is something that's possible, but it's often towards the end. We want to do the things that we had discussed about lifestyle and just avoiding prevention is key always.

“But yeah, I think there's probably no harm in a probiotic other than financial.”

But the benefit of, I can't, like people say, which one, I can't really recommend something specific. So the benefit is not certain yet. So yeah, I have to agree. And I say that to my clients as well. I'm like, look, I started taking these, like, I can't say if it's helped. Yeah, I haven't had very current baby, but there's been multiple other factors as well as changing out a sweaty clothes as soon as you can, as well, you know, not sitting around at the more day can help. Yeah, I think I touched on this before, but lots of my clients were pantyliners every day.

But this can sometimes cause irritation, cause irritation. Yeah, doesn't allow the folder breathe.

I really liked that. I love that. I feel very sorry about discharge. I think that's not quite excited today.

“And like, that's great. Somebody, somebody, I mean, I do as well, but I think, you know, if we're not going to have the conversation, people aren't going to know.”

Absolutely. And I think, you know, thank you so much for that. That was lovely.

And I think, you know, we've talked about what's normal and what's abnormal, but ultimately, if it's abnormal for you, just get it looked at.

Don't just leave it. If it's abnormal for you, and it's outside the realms of what you're comfortable with, get it looked at. You know, your body, you know what's normal for you. Yeah. So, yeah, if something feels wrong for you and your body, speak to a clinician, if you don't feel like that clinician heard you try another one. Exactly. Exactly. Absolutely.

“No, yourself. You trust yourself back yourself.”

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, couldn't agree more.

Great. Yeah. Okay. It was so true. Darling. It's such a big job. This is good. It's really good.

Okay.

“Well, um, love a light, my friends. Love and light and how can we see it?”

Yeah. Absolutely. Time. We'll see you next time. Come back.

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