‘Interstellar’ Revisited With Van Lathan | Chill Nolan Winter

- Hello, welcome back to House of Art.

“I'm Joanna Robinson, that's Molly Rubin and joining us today”

from Sickenmore Studios. It's Van Leithen, even how you doing. - What's up guys, how are you guys doing? I'm here at Sickenmore, it's Phil, S-I-C-K. - What do we go? - Sickenmore.

- Sickenmore, Sickenmore, Sickenmore. - I like that. - I like that. - Fantastic names, we're here in our new digs. Everybody's so excited.

- All right, here's the deal. Mallorne Art Home, Van Leithen, - Yeah. - Legsuriating on our beautiful couch there in the studio. And we are here to talk to you about Interstellar

as part of our ongoing Christopher Nolan series, and we'll get into that right after this. (upbeat music) - All right, so Mallorne, do you want to announce the theme

that we've definitely planned long in advance? - Sure. - Like, we've been planning this for so long and definitely did not just come up with it. What house of ours doing for the month of March?

- I would say we had planned all of these podcasts and only just recently realized we had many space podcasts in a row, because we are so excited for Projectile Mary. It's a book we love, it's a movie we're very much looking

forward to, and so it's a space month. It's a space month here at the house of our move to over see our month, you're on notice. It's space month in March, and we will be doing, obviously we're doing interstellar today,

as part of the ongoing Christopher Nolan rewatch on the, here at the house of our slow and steady march

toward the Odyssey, it's the first one of Winter,

we've been workshopping subtitles for that.

“I think it'll ultimately fall on Carlos to name it.”

When the podcast goes live, is it chill Nolan Winter, you've been workshopping some other ideas? Then we're gonna be revisiting the Martian. Because that is another Andy Weir space adaptation. Drew got it, Drew got it, so we need to revisit that

fellow before Projectile Mary. Then we're gonna do a space movie straffs. Can't fucking wait, that's gonna be a blast. That is gonna be so fun, and then we will be diving deep into Projectile Mary, and guess what?

We're talking to Andy Weir. We got Andy Weir, the fun, very exciting. Brilliant. So yeah, it's space month, we're really really excited, and I'm so excited to have Van here for our trip

into interstellar week. We could not see the human race without Van. - I know, it's cool. - For interstellar, it's an absolute must. - Mallorque, how can folks keep track of everything

we're doing in space, and everything else is happening on the feed? - Here's where I recommend fall. - Yeah, that's true. - That's where all you need to do.

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hop into drag into gmail.com. Then what are your thoughts on space? And space movies in general? - I was thinking about this, 'cause I saw Project Hell Mary last night.

And then I dusted off interstellar this morning 'cause I wanted to have it fresh on my mind. And boy, do I feel small this morning? - Feel small and dumb, yeah. - And I'm ready.

But you know what I think though? (laughing) And this is the real take. Watching these two movies back to back. And obviously, well, as family talk about Project Hell Mary

a lot on the channel later on, space. And movies set in space. Give creators, film makers, a unique opportunity to litigate humanity. You can make movies in space that tell you more

or demonstrate more about what it's like to be human, what it's like to be alive and you can do that easier in space and you can't. What movies set like right in the heart of Los Angeles. Around here, there are so many distractions wherever you live

that take you away from your connection to people from your feeling of a greater human, human experience from sometimes how you are dedicated to humanity. But when you see people in space doing stuff

and all they have are the sentences that they're saying

And it's for all of the marbles. Normally, you get these really profound statements on life and love. - I think what do you think of the fact that there's so many space horror movies?

Like in addition to these sort of adventure, project him marry the Martian interstellar, et cetera, et cetera, you get a lot of space horror, but you think about that, anything? - So I like space horror

“because you got all kinds of crazy things that can happen, right?”

You can pass, there was that. Was that one where they went through the black hole and everything where crazy was the name of that one? Was it called? - It was that one.

- Remember that one? That was wacky. - No, okay. So you get a crazy beast, a demon of virus,

or something like that, it's always fun.

And I like that because space itself is a prison. So even if you're on a ship, doesn't matter how big the ship is, you're trapped inside of the ship as you're doing all of this stuff.

But the things that really moved me about these space films, like I said, the exploration of the science behind them and like this fundamental examination of the human experience that can only happen

when you're so far away. This space is the ultimate away game, okay? You're on somebody else's turf, no one else's stars, time is different, all that stuff, what do you have left?

Love, commitment and experience. - Malloray, I don't wanna like blow up the spot of the person we were talking to, but we were talking to a mutual who said they like, didn't like space movies because it,

so that like, get a concept frightened them. - Sure. - Do you have any big, big picture space movies or space stories ideas that you wanna share in this particular moment?

- I think I'm gonna say most of it. - I think I'm gonna say most of it. - I think I'm gonna say most of it. - Yeah, yeah, step it on that too, fair enough. But I do love a space movie.

“I think a lot of what Vanna's saying feels really right to me,”

the, that extends to television shows, novels as well. You know, something like battle start to lax, is one of my favorites to the state because it allows us to explore all of that, like what is worth preserving and fighting for

and saving about humanity, but also there are episodes where the sheer terror that you're forced to confront. When, you know, we, what are the moments in this movie and in our stellar, which we're about to talk about,

is like that I love, it's quiet, it's quick, but when wrong, it's like, there's just nothing between us and all of the things that can kill us other than the state metal. - The metal, yeah, so you have the capacity

in a space story to explore all aspects of what frightens human beings and what human beings are driven by motivated by trying to preserve. They also, it's just, this is like the most obvious thing to say, but it is just so cinematic.

It is the capacity for grand spectacle in a space opera in a space film. And then it's one of the things that I think we're really excited for the, to explore more in the space draft and any draft here at the ringer.

There's always bleed across categories,

but you have an opportunity to try to like, codify and define something. And as you both are saying, the sub-genres inside of the genre of the space film, like, are kind of boundless, you have space horror,

you have space friendships, you have space adventures, you have first contact, right? You have space stories that are ultimately more set on some sort of terrain and planet is that something from space reaching awesome earth,

have we or other beings gone elsewhere into the great of this? Can we establish a sense of connection and home or will we always feel like we've lost that if we're not on this very planet?

It's just, it's great. So I love what it all locks for people. And like there's something about, when I was texting Joe this, the other day, like when I was a kid, I had a telescope.

And I loved the idea of having a telescope. And I was weed on sci-fi stories. This is like my dad loves sci-fi and his introduction to something like asthma, some nightfall, for example, leaving that.

This one of the stories of the bookshelf of my room is like a big gateway for me and getting into all of this in the first place. So I kept this telescope at my room

and I just always wanted to look up at the stars

and think about it, never really learned how to use it. And it's a regret of mine to this day. And maybe this is the year that I pivot back to a telescope. But I can't really see stars in Los Angeles. - That's the problem.

- I know. - Too much light blue. - Honestly, it's quite tough. - What about you, Joe? Why do you gravitate toward?

- Well, space in the box. - I think that idea of the size thing that Vanamos bringing up earlier, like how small we are. When we leave a planet where we are considered like the apex predator, the most important thing

on the rock. And then we go out in the world and we see in the wider world. See how big it is. See that there's intelligent life out there. See that there's intelligent life

that is far more advanced or far more intelligent than we are in all of a sudden where the apes,

“where the whatever I think that's really interesting.”

I think there are so many shots in this movie specifically, and we will be spoiling in our stellar, by the last kid you haven't seen in our stellar. We will be spoiling in our stellar. So what are you doing, go see that movie

and come back and listen to this. But there are so many shots in the movie where the ships, the ship is so small

Can you see Gargantua or Saturn or even on the ocean of Miller's planet? Like they're all these moments when the minute nature of humanity is taken in sharp relief. And then also one of my favorite things

in across many space stories is the silence in space. Right, there's like the favorite alien like in space. No one can hear you scream, but like all the exterior shots you get of the endurance and like how all the sound cuts out.

“I think that's like one of the coolest things”

that happens in a space movie.

So I'll have one thing that I always love

about these movies as well is the math. And tell you what I mean is that like, so there's so much chaos, right? There's so much chaos in space. There's stars that are dying, their black holes.

In this movie, there's all kinds of different things that happen, but the math is the salvation. The universe does have an operating system and that operating system, we can decipher. We can understand it.

We can math our way through the universe. Is this theoretical astrophysicist, named Miguel Alcubier? And he wrote a paper where he talked about the fact that warp speed, light, travel, actually the math checks out.

It's the engine that I was stuck on this for like a month.

So I got to put it in it.

It's the engineering, really, that we don't have. We don't have the engineering to build the craft that we would need, but the math checks out. So when we see human beings who are at the mercy of all of these different forces in the universe,

just have to use something that we've been able to observe and wield with our own minds, which is the math of the universe, that's our salvation. It's almost like a God in it of itself. It's almost like a spirit of reality in it of itself.

The equation, if you can figure that out, you can save yourself. - I really love that you brought this up at the top of the pot. I think this is a fascinating film through which to assess the question of faith.

“Frankly, whether you need to be able to track the math”

and science and whether the math and science and side of the film is sensical at all. So I'm sure that will come up as we go through it today. But more broadly, what I love about it is, and what I love about the category of a film,

is that you can calibrate your relationship to that question as a viewer. And I think what something that interstellar, I have quite a few notes on the science of interstellar, even though I am not a scientist.

I visit this, I think the way that interstellar deploy some of that is a little bit of a funneling to me still all this time later. However, what I love is pairing, like the intention to pair the hard sci-fi and the soft sci-fi.

So you have a lot of actual science, right? And the equation, the idea of the singularity, the black hole, the event horizon, plan A, plan B, gravity, three dimensions, five dimensions, et cetera. You also just have the very tidy concept of the explorer.

And that is the same thing inside of this film, because the impulse to explore, and we get the comp to like the explorer and the boat right before we're on a water planet, wonderful stuff, right?

That's great. The idea of just a human impulse

to always seek something else.

And so maybe that is just something that you feel in your soul. Maybe it is something that you say, I actually need to be able to crack the code of this and the math and the science support that one day,

I and humanity will be able to do that. And whatever the character's relationship to that idea is or the viewer's relationship to that idea is it propels you outward and forward.

“- I think this idea to bounce off of what both of you said.”

First of all, I think this idea of like faith inside of this movie is really, really interesting, like the daddy issues and the god issues are all wrapped up in one the way that they always should be inside of a story that we love.

But also this idea, and this is definitely present in a project tale, Mary, of course, is like our salvation being science, our salvation is a species being science. And the way in which like, you know,

the world we live in, the country we live in right now is consistently devaluing science and devaluing the idea of like NASA as like a vital part of the human experience versus now it shifting towards like this is what the Uber rich do and will do.

And so like that's so we're not like gathering around to watch our scientists, we're gathering around to watch like Katy Perry go to space. And it's just like the way in which NASA is so humbled inside of this story and the way in which,

but then the way in which largely these stories are so value, scientists and math and curiosity and exploration

- Count, count as a person who, yeah. - I don't know one thing, then it's stuck out, this, this stuck out to me as I watch the movie this time. All right, when good old coupe, the best looking pilot

farmer in the world is never really piloted.

- This can carry, this can carry, this can carry, in the, in the dust bowl amazing. - Okay, so it's such a cool coupe. So when coupe and Murray follow the gravity puzzle and they get into the room, there is a thought

“that they are inside of an illuminating meeting, right?”

There are people legitimately the way that scene is set. Is there a bunch of people sitting around a table doing some weird shit? They're asking questions. They're asking questions if they have some sort of authority.

They're asking questions if coupe is beneath them at first. It seems that way, but what they really are are curious. They're curious about what's happening, right? And that's sort of the veil is ripped off that when we find out who they are.

They go, this is NASA. So this is not some military installation. This is not all the world's billionaires. This is not like this in-time sort of religious cult that is there to figure out, this is NASA.

Our relationship to NASA, the fact that we looked at that time at least as the people that explore space, as these people to be, there's an altruism there. We looked at NASA, we looked at space exploration as something that broadened our experience

“as a human culture, something that was awesome for us,”

something that brought us all different types of investments into technology, something that changed our lives and made us understand how we interact with our universe and our natural world. When they go, this is NASA, you feel safe.

You feel like he's safe. That would not be like that right now. If that was this space exploration, or this is blue origin, or this is SpaceX, you'd be like, it's a bomb villain at the end of this conversation.

You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying, yeah. Billionaires have like the billionaires and the near-to-wells have like taken this thing that was like, so patriotic and American and unifying

and all this other stuff, I don't know. Okay, anyway, time dilation means that I have done this podcast in a weird order. We're gonna go now to our opening snapshot, which we did.

(laughs) (upbeat music) All right, so this film was directed by Chris Rennolin. Have you heard of him? It was great play by Chris Rennolin and my beloved Jonah Nolan.

We'll talk about some differences between their versions of this story. But it's basically an idea from Kip Thorne, renowned scientist, Nobel Prize winner, I believe Kip Thorne and Linda Ops,

who is a producer who worked on contact. So this came from like scientific minds who had an idea for a very grounded, I mean, Malorie, not a scientist, but that's in question about the science of this movie.

But the idea was, let's make a space movie that has very grounded science in it and that's what we wanna do here. This came out November 26th, 2014.

Budget 165 million, so less than a Christy Nomad campaign,

box office, seven hundred and seventy three point eight million, which is wild, man. He insane, it's the original concept, sci-fi movie. Matthew McCawney was like real hot shit at the time but like this is like, yes.

2014, original concept movie, seven hundred and seventy three million dollars on a hundred and sixty five million dollar budget. This is the fifth highest grossing film for Chris Rennolin after inception, two Batman movies and the phenomenon

that was Barbon Heimer and then it's interstellar.

“That's completely wild to me, honestly, incredible stuff.”

For van, because Malorie and I've been hopping and jumping around, Chris Rennolin's homeography, people know how we feel about Chris Rennolin, what's your relationship to no one's homeography? What do you think of him as a filmmaker?

- So Nolan was one of the first directors of my,

I had the directors that came up with. These were my guys. These were guys and we all got older together. It was Spike Lee, you know, Spielberg was like the older guard.

All of these guys that I came up with, Nolan is one of the first of the new guys, like a friend that I met in college. You know how you have your friends that you grew up with and they're your friends, then you get to college

and you can do for him and you go, is this friend gonna be with me as the guys, this guy might be with me, this is one of my guys. That is who Chris Fernando was for me.

I know he had done stuff before and I went back and watched it,

“but I went to watch Batman begins and I was like,”

yo, what the fuck? This was way better than it had any business been. This is a weird take on Batman. And subsequent movies just continue to push me to expand my palette as a film fan

to really work my brain out. He just doesn't make a simple movie. He goes into the world of musicians. It does all of this crazy shit. It goes into the world of sleep.

It does all this crazy shit. You know, it goes into the world of Batman. It does all this crazy shit. You're re-litigating as the Joker, right?

I never thought about this before.

All he wants to do is poison the water supply of God. I never thought that he might have a point before. And so by the time we get to in a seller, I'm like, all right, I mean him are good now. I'm like, whatever he's gonna do,

I'm pretty good with it. And I'm gonna be real with you. It had to have been that way. Because that first watch was lived. That was lived.

That was dead lived. That was bench press. There was a lot on the screen. I'm at the TCL Chinese Theater. Getting bombarded by sound.

Getting bombarded by the depth of what's on the screen. And then by the time your is dusty in the world, is this earth, are we on earth, what's the dust, they're eating nothing but corn products? What's happening here?

No explanation as to what's gone on. You just have to infer that. And then they start with the science. And inception had kind of primed me for this a little bit, because you get to a point at the end of its inception.

Why I really cannot really explain what this is the fourth kick third kick.

We end down at the fifth level and all that. It's about to really don't know what's going on. So in a seller, by the time I got to in a seller with Nolan, I could surrender to his taste the way that he makes movies and what he demands of an audience.

And I remember leaving the theater the first thing I thought was, when can I see it again? That was the first thing I thought. It's like, when can I go back? Malware, where were you when you saw it?

And did you, did you love it right away? So this was 2014, I was in Los Angeles. I was working at Grantland. I was just recounting this to Sean the other night. I have a pretty vivid memory of this being like a,

being a very active discussion in the Grantland office is about this movie in part because one of fans' co-hosts, Tate Frazier, was a Grantland intern at the time and Tate walked into the office. And this is my memory, perhaps apocryphal. But I feel like this is true.

And basically declared that this was the best film that had ever been made.

“And I think that is how people of a certain generation feel about this movie.”

It is how old is Tate? Yeah, Tate's. Yeah, so is that what is he? Gen Z? I don't even know what's he all in there.

I don't even know. I just know I'm old now. Is Tate 32 that makes me feel sad. It's the 32. It's the 32.

It's the 32. Oh my god. I am going to have to process that later. But the rat is going to rip this movie has on in generation. It's so interesting to see.

This is one of the first movies that I remember feeling, I love this movie and I'm sorry I was going back to you just like I'm all here but I love this movie. I didn't love it in the first watch, I do love this movie. But it's the first movie that I remember being of the older generation watching a younger generation like claim something in a very serious way that other generations don't adhere

to it.

“And you're like, oh wow, you have to be a little bit younger to feel it kind of precisely”

the way that maybe these kids who've grown up with the larger looming threat of climate change or whatever the case may be, whatever the reason that their fixation on this movie has come about. I think certainly plenty of people who are older than this slice of people who saw this movie, when this came out they were in high school or they were in college and I like

this is the film of my generation and one of my favorite films of all time. Why do people who are older than that or younger than that and have come to it later live as well? It is, I think, undeniably like one of those films for that age group, which is interesting. I mean, we've talked, you know, this is our fifth Nolan rewatch pot.

We've done four to this point. So we've kind of established what our top three, you know, is that I wanted to think that I've said on every pot is I want to like leave open the ability to reset my power ranking as we go because revisiting movies over time.

You know, they always shift up or down in your estimation.

What are sellers of really interesting ones for me where it has remained, I feel very similarly about it now as I did when I first saw it, which is like, it's a middle of the pack Nolan movie for me in a way that I think might surprise people who like listen to our pod and look, you know, some of the tent poles of things that I'm drawn to in stories. There are parts of this movie and aspects of this movie that I, I think are masterful

and I love. I think the middle of this movie, the second act of this movie basically like Miller's

Cooper watching the 23 years of videos from home into revealing who man is and all of the man twists on the ice planet is like God tier.

I have a little bit less of a deep and abiding connection to the first of third acts of

the film.

“But I think the emotional highs and like emotional resonance inside of the film really”

work for me, I think there are certain riveting and rapturous aspects of scripting and dialogue and then there are some lines in this movie where I'm like, I was struck by how often I wrote, do people talk this way in my notes? Oh. That's true.

All Nolan's. So there's something really happening in the first act in a way that is distracting. There's some ridiculous dialogue here guys. I don't know, no more trash. So much into a movie that every now and again, you just have to deal with, hey, aren't you the guy who did the thing back in the day and they told you you'd

never do it again and blah blah blah blah.

I'm exactly. And like, so he does that every movie, by the way. So but he's perfect. So much fun to the movie. That's just one of his things that you just gotta deal with, man.

Yeah, no question. And a lot of like, one of the ways that we've ended every pod is to talk about like the most Nolan thing about the movie and which we will again today and the thing about revisiting this film that kind of has this most prepped or hyped for the Odyssey. And I find that almost for every pod, I'm trying to mix it up.

But I end up gravitated towards some of the same beats. And that's actually part of what I love about his filmography and Nolan is a filmmaker who, you know, he's one of my favorite filmmakers and I adore his movies. So saying intersellers like a middle of the Pac Nolan movie to me is no big. You know, it's like still a movie that I really enjoy.

I just think it is, it is more of a mixed experience for me than his top tier films are, you know, inception, the prestige, dark night, et cetera. I'm curious to see where it checks in when we finish the watch. I think if you said to like House of our listeners, space, opera, family driven adventure story where love and a magical also scientific book

case saves the day they would be like, that's probably Mallory's favorite movie that was ever made.

So I'm like, I'll always a little surprise and I'm like, that is a movie that I find myself crying

during many times and visually astonished by many times. And then also a few times every time I watch it, I'm like, I'm rubbing my chin a little bit. So that's how you feel about it.

“I think for me, the, so I, in 2014, I can't remember if I had starred, I might have just”

started at Vanity Fair or I might have still been at Pajiva, but it was an era of my life when I was like, still very dedicated to snarky reactions to things and which has changed a bit from me over the years, not entirely, but somewhat and, but I used to just like, it was an era of my life when I thought like being snarky about something and feeling like you're smarter than the thing made you smart, which I don't agree with anymore.

Right, so I had like a real snarky reaction to this movie. Like the library section at the end of this movie is like, you know, easy to make fun of if you want to. When my memory is that like, this is a very divisive movie at the time, that a lot of people are like, what the fuck is this and then some people are like, I love this.

And the, my experience with interstellar is that every single time I watch it, I like it more. Yeah. And it's highs are higher than most other Nolan movies for me. Like, you know, it just, the McConaughey weeping scene is like one of the best things

I've ever seen. And I would also say, and I bring this up every time we talk about like a Jonathan Nolan Chris Nolan collab. My journey through Westworld, which was such a like a deep, deep scholarship of television that I did, made me go back and like revisit Jonathan's other works.

And so like to see the DNA of what he was interested in in this movie and play out in the

“better parts of Westworld, Amelia's speech, I think, especially like really helped my appreciation”

for it. And so like, you and I Mallory, you and I both bumped a bit on the run time and I will say it's a long, it's a long, it's a long, it's a long, it's a long, it's movie. Van, you watched this morning, did you, do you ever get surprised by how long this movie is?

Yeah. So I started it last night before Project Hill Mary, right, it's going, it's, I have some times I got watching a movie. I like to watch the movie and have it fresh. And now I cut them and I was like, God damn, I know, I'm up at God, it's an hour

and we're still on it. Yeah, like I was shaking. I'm up at six a.m. I'm in the morning trying to finish this business long. Yeah.

But you know, I think what we're all saying is that like Nolan, it's interesting, like, at the end of the day, it's a guy screaming at his daughter, right, it's a guy, it's a father.

It's, it's, it's the human thing, it's the human thing. It's absolutely. The father, it's the daughter, it's explaining what being a parent is in this movie. We get an explanation of what being a parent is. And then we also get an explanation of how love is stronger than gravity.

Yo, if you are going to do that in a movie, you literally have, it has to be three hours long because that's such a deep concept and it's a novel concept.

It's something that I had never heard before, love being the only force in the universe

that oriented the universe like gravity. You got to give a little math, you got to give a little connection, you got to play with time. I got to see this poor black guy who's on a goddamn craft for 23 years, why they played a poor bastard.

You know, he's up there 23 years, he comes back, tell you what, what thing they got right. You got a little song pepper in his beard, but he basically looked the same, you know,

“why, but all of those things, I guess that's what intrigued me about the movie.”

When I first walked out of the film, I don't know if I could say that I thought that it was one of the best Nolan movies or whatever. I had to kind of surrender to the movie. I was kind of all my back foot a little bit about what my expectations were. I had to sit with it at the crib because like in the theater, there's another thing just

from a technical aspect, like I was like legitimately overwhelmed. I almost thought the first time I saw it, then I was going to have a panic attack, because that other movie had just come out with, you know, maybe he came out after. What was the movie with Sandra Bullock? And she was stuck in space.

Gravity, gravity. Gravity. Gravity makes me anxious. Yeah. I couldn't handle that.

That one was too much, you know, so, but, and so, with everything that Nolan does, it did the films are just so deeply human, they're so deeply human, but they're grandiose.

“I think they are, but something that, you know, I've been saying again again as we talk”

about the prestige, which is the Jonathan Nolan copro, like, I think the Jonathan Nolan co-written scripts are, by far more emotional and warmer than, you know, because crystal

and sometimes gets accused of being kind of cold and critical and I think sometimes,

and he has talked about that, and he has talked about a couple of things about this movie, like, the, the codename for this movie when they were shooting his floor is letter, which is about his daughter, floor, and so, like, this is a letter to his daughter about being a father and having a daughter. There are so many things from Jonathan Nolan's script that he changed dramatically when

he came on the project. Right. This project is originally, Kip Thorne and Linda Obes bring it to Steven Spielberg, who hired Jonathan Nolan, who works on it for years and then Steven Spielberg leaves Paramount and all of a sudden, like, leaves a project and then Jonathan Nolan's, like, "Well,

shit, I need a director. Oh, wait. I'm related to one." And then Chris Nolan comes on and is, like, "Hey, I'm going to rewrite your movie." Okay.

And he's, like, okay. So you can read Jonathan Nolan, like, one of his, a version of his earlier script, and the final script side by side, which I did, and it's, like, the first third, like, where we're on a cornfed planet, like, that is so Stevie Spielberg, Steven Spielberg, thinking about closing counters and, and Richard Drive is leaving his kids to go explore space.

Like, that is, that's the DNA of that version of the movie. And then I will say, Jonathan Nolan's other version, way, way worse. Like, way, way worse. I will not defend it against what Chris Nolan did here. But, like, the core pieces, the, uh, coupe watches 20 through years of life go by as he

sobbed. That's in Jonas script. You know? And, like, all this stuff with the family, Malah was thinking about what we talked about all the time when we talk about, like, you have to show the shyness before you show what's

worth saving. Yeah. So, I don't know that, like, the, the decibel dying planet, right? There isn't that, like, you know, nice, tilt earth of the shyre. But there's murf, and there's coupe, and there's that relationship.

And that's what the first hour is, like, really invested in, I mean, sorry, Tom, not you. But, like, you know, that's what that movie's really invested in, show me another time. That's the real spielberg sort of aspect of it. That's the heart of Jonathan Nolan. And so, I, I love that like, Chris Nolan, I think this is by far his most emotional

movie.

“And, um, and for that reason, I think it's only grown in my appreciation, you know?”

Yeah. The aspects of it are the ones that, that just work their way into your heart and stick with you. And, and you can think about even when you're not with the film, but then really just said, it's, uh, it's a satisfying experience to be back with the movie.

It looks fucking great on 4K. Can't hear a goddamn thing as is so often the case with Nolan movies of this era.

That's the eye back stretch of the look amazing, and my ears like, can't process it.

But to your point, Joe, I think it's, as a matter of intention, as a matter of

the vast and the vast of the single biggest thing. Will the species survive? Will the human race survive? Is a story that we explore through the most personal and intimate relationships, a family, a lost love in Amelia and Edmund's case, right, or Dr. Brand as a father to Amelia, Dr.

Brand, right? The family relationship of mostly, most of all, of course, coupe and Murph, and then you have these things like two of the three members of this, this very podcast love car heart. We wear a lot of car heart, right? This is one of the all-time great car heart jacket runs in the history of story.

And right now, you can get a pretty similar, so that's that exact one is basically a

possible to get you get a very similar one right now, car heartwork and progress website. You guys know, when Murph is wearing that jacket, despite everything that has happened as a way to carry her father with her, it's just that perfect little touch. Do I understand how exactly the quantum data glimps from inside of the black hole is conveyed to Murph through the second hand of the clock?

No, do I need to know what I need to understand is that a, he gave her that watch. We're going to compare, right?

“Be, she went back for it and see, he knew she would, like, that's what we need to get.”

And we do, we understand that on a soul deep level, and that's why the movie sticks with you. Yeah. Ben, I don't know. I'm listening.

And he thought something like car heart jacket.

Well, no, I mean, I thought I did the car heart jacket this far. You know what? I like to, I just like to feel, I'm a, I'm a workman with you. I put the car heart on, I come in here, you know, I'm a working man's podcast, I come ahead and give the takes, you know, man, no, forgets now, you know, it's, everything to

me in all of these movies is just about how the filmmaker can make you desperate for the thing to happen.

“You remember at the end of you, you've got male and, you know, he walks over and she”

goes, she really, I really hoped it was you. I wanted to be you.

So I like, I'm like, yeah, we're in two.

Like we did, too, we knew that it was going to happen. We knew that it would, the, the, the movie is in making us want them to get together. And so by the time, it's difficult, it's one thing to do that with two people getting together. It's another thing to do that with someone, uh, solving, essentially shout out to re-richers the problem of everything, right?

So you can get closer to his daughter, he, it's so many things in there, like how parents have to let their children go, there has to be a sort of distance that you put between you and your kids so that they can go, grow older and experience their own adventures in the world for themselves. But then in older age, you come back to those kids and they store you off into the thing,

just like you brought them into the world, that happens in this movie twice in the reverse because then she goes off before he does, and he is left to go out into the world. She births him again. The movie is like, like, subverting and moving around and re-jiggering all these things about family and using the math of the universe and the gravity of love to sort of do it.

It's great, but it does take a commitment, like it does.

“I, I think also all the things that we've watched and talked about in, you know,”

and the 12th year since this movie came out and also, like Mallory specifically, I would say in our time, podcasting together, really helped inform my enjoyment of this watch, like thinking about Yoda saying we are what they grow beyond in the last Jedi, when Koop is talking about, they could be coming, you know, the ghost, your children's ghosts is like that, or the ghost of your children's future, or, um, uh, car heart, let's talk about it the last of us when we're,

when, inside of this, and inside of this movie where they're constantly talking about, like, the concept of saving the species versus saving your own kin. I mean, the irony and professor brand saving his daughter putting his neppo baby daughter on, uh, on the ship and saving her future while lying to Koop about, like, whether or not he'd be able to save his daughter, not irony, but just sort of like, brand, the monstrous lie, you know, which is, uh, real night of the seven

Kingdoms holding inside of this movie, but like, that idea of like, who, who, who is we're saving, who is us inside of this, and is us humanity as a species, or is us, my daughter, you know, and he gets to decide that, right, yeah, yeah, really. Also, let's see if the Joel's jacket is a flint and tinder, not a car heart, but I really appreciate the question, nonetheless. I don't know that, even.

So the movie, for the most part, for most of the movie, the, the film, the villain is just shit, right, it's just stuff. It's like climate change, dust, in a lot of corn, okay, you know, a different corn situation. It's corn sand, which is all that stuff's going on. I'm sure they're like, all the fritters, they're having fun time with eating corn. So corn is only thing left. Yeah. Okay. So RIP, okay. Yeah. But after this, then space and time becomes the villain, and then the movie

makes a very direct decision to insert a human adversary. And this is always the part of the film.

“That I enjoy, but wonder why they did it. Like, oh, the man, yeah. So I get it. I understand it, right?”

But wow. To insert an unhinged mad Damon into the movie, like a surprise, deploy a surprise mad Damon incredible. It's incredible. It worked. It's fantastic. And all of that. But I just wonder why when the stakes are so high, and we are already that invested into everything, I wonder what the dramatic purpose of a human, uh, somebody that like, it's just that fucking crazy, like, what, what was the purpose of that? So this is my favorite part of the movie. This is fascinating. I was,

this is, we can kind of tip a category because you just mentioned villain. So my pick for one of our

recurring categories is who's the real villain of the movie. And this is where I thought we could

talk about some of the supposed to do it here. Like, my pick isn't, there isn't, um, Dr., Dr. Man isn't Damon's character, man. It's, uh, so his, say his full name, it's Dr. Hugh, man. It's all his shoes to, like, learn what the character's name is, or it doesn't mean other than Donald because that's the movie man. So Hugh, man, it's okay. We see a job in the Chris check. Okay, we see you guys. You can leave the notes. Man, remarkable. The best of us Hugh, man, it's perfect. My pick for like the villain,

“and I think the man, some of what we learn about, uh, Dr. Brand, my Michael Keynes character in the”

choices that he's made, regard to keep what he's kept secret about plan A, but mostly man. Is like the, the way that the survival instinct, the idea of survival instinct in the movie, that it is necessary for us, I think, imperative for us to understand how that could become warped. Like if everybody in the movie is, is doing something heroic in order to save, uh, everybody or make sacrifices that I don't think it lands as fully for us when Cook makes the

choices that he does at the end. Well, I, I, I, I, I really agree. And I, what I like about the, what happens after man's whole bullshit is like, what Brand goes off to do and what Cook goes off to do is like follow their hearts, right? Like, you know, she's looking for good old wolf, wolf events is he alive? I don't know. That's where she goes.

“We see Cook's a name patch at the very end, so I think he says to us, but like, no, what I meant,”

movement was in that moment, right, allow her to live right. Right. So like, she goes off and pursuit of that he goes home and pursuit of like trying to make good with, with metaphor, do something with mirth blah blah. But in doing those two self-ish or emotionally motivated things, that's the future, right? Brand establishes like, uh, you know, a home set a place for them to to land and, and, and Cook goes to the International Space Library and saves humanity,

you know, and even, but they do it because they're doing something not altruistic, but ultimately emotionally selfish, which I, I, I like that complexity inside of it, you know. I think the idea that the, we've all said like, it's so human and human impulse many times, and that's obviously just like kind of the core, the human, the core, the strength of DNA that makes this movie function and the story function, and I think the fact that like the survival

instincts and the selfishness fuel both the heroic acts and the villainous acts, and it's two

sides of the same coin, is to me the most interesting part of the story and what's so crucial,

especially because we have evolution inside of that coupe is like, I'm going home. I'm going to go home, right? He makes that choice to your point, Joe, but then still the great, I mean, God, that what, look on Amelia's face, which she realizes, like, oh, it's not just the robots who are dropping, like, you're going with them on Tars, it's like, see you on the other side. You get a chill because he's, he has just, the thing that has driven him the whole time is,

I'm going to do this thing to save my kids. I'm going to do this, I might have a note on the time dilation and whether we should go down to Miller's planet because of what the math would

including literally saying, I'm going to go get back to my family, but at the end of the day when

“it all comes down to it, he's willing to risk that outcome to allow everybody else to survive,”

which is the exact opposite of what, man, the guy we have heard throughout the whole film is the best of us, and remarkable, and let all these people to go on the scariest and starkest journey in human history, like, I love so much in the man, a coupe fight when coupe says you fucking coward, and it is such a withering indictment, and man just says, yes, yes. And so I love that we get that because that feels really true to me, that that would be something that pulled the fear

of wanting to push the button, so someone keeps to rescue you, that people would do that, and maybe the people who were supposed to save us, I don't know if the movie works about that.

It might not, it might not, because it's still a movie, which is always the thing.

I mean, it is, it's still a movie, right? It's still a movie. In the movie, the thing still has to happen where the guy goes, oh, I did this, so it's still a movie, and then there's actual utility for this character, but when I'm watching it, that's the part that feels most like a movie, beyond Christopher Nolan, and like, you know, the three or two or three lines of weird exposition, oh, is that the magic shoe, the shoe that was was rumored to be that the end of

it, and then guys, yes, this is the end of that tip, and like he does it in every movie. I don't, I bet I'll just, like, I, yeah, so obviously, I talk about this all the time, the clean slate is the, that's the OG of this, that's the number one, oh, you mean the clean slate, the device that lets you change everything, oh my what the fuck is me? Can we see somebody, you go do this like that, Chris? He's like, fuck, we gotta get the band. But that's the part of it that felt most like a movie, the rest of it feels, and this is

how I fall into things. Like I am a film lover, everyone knows it's very hard for van to be

critical of movie vans, it's very hard for me to be critical of a film. I go into the movie

“to like the movie, and you have to make me not like it, right? You have to make me not come out and say,”

this is the best thing that's ever been made, like you have to make that happen, you have to impose that upon me. So when I'm watching the movie even now, I'm legitimately falling in and surrendering to everything about it. That is the part to where I'm like, oh, this is kind of like an episode of Star Trek. Not in a bad way, but like that's the part that I most see as being sort of ordinary. I want to get to our categories, but I want to, I think this is a really good

way to talk about just to note really quickly a couple influences on the film and then what the film is influenced because like 2001, when Nolan talked about 2001 of Space Odyssey's influence on this movie, which when you go see Projectile Mary, you'll see immediately that movie's influence on that movie. Like that is the er text of Space Cinema for so many modern filmmakers, right? Like when he talks about it, he talks about it as like this experiential thing that just sort of

“washes over. You have to surrender yourself completely to the experience of that movie. And so that”

there are things inside of this movie like the visual of Gargantua or the Space Library or whatever the case may be or the ticking hand on the watch that you just have to sort of like that is similar to inception, we're not dealing in a place of easily explainable reality. We're just sort of dealing in element. I mean, it's certainly antennae, which we will get to eventually, but like, you know, we're dealing in sort of how the human emotion selling, which is something Mallory has

already said. But to think about 2001, to think about the right stuff, which is an incredible film

that I don't think enough people watch, but when you when you look at the opening of this film, like especially his his test flight that is his nightmare that opens the film, that is very much like the right. So that's the grounded sort of like what can man it man on the ground achieve sort of aspect of this movie that is the DNA of it. But I'm most interested, I don't want to burn like whatever we're going to say about the Odyssey at the end, but I'm most interested in this movie

thinking about what Chris said when he came on to talk about Dunkirk with us and this idea that like so many of Chris Nolan's movies are about a guy people trying to get home. Yes. And that is all been leading to the Odyssey, and that's that's not true of everybody, but like Chris made such a good point. And you know, like if you think about Cobb and inception or whatever, and so you think about coupe on this journey and and for the history of of space i fi, space exploration and like

maritime exploration have been linked. That's what the you know, the USS Enterprise is, you know,

which is just, you know, Rob's and Crusoe in space essentially, so it's family, Rob's in space. So like the idea that this is like a proto Odyssey for him, the way in which they like drop it on these planets that have frozen clouds or time dilated oceans. Like these are like dropping on the various magical island in a way. And the reason why a man is a, a Dr. Hugh man is so important is like spoilers for the Odyssey broad strokes, spoilers for the Odyssey. I think you're okay. Yeah. There's a reason

Odysseus makes it home and none of the rest of his shipmates do, right? And there's a reason why there's like

“characters like, uh, you really kiss, I think like you have to contrast what makes an Odysseus someone who can”

get home versus his shitty second in command, who does X, Y and Z. And so I think you need that contrast of

like, what is a, what is a Dr. Hugh man? Also, him saying, him saying, no one has ever been tested the way that I invested when, uh, to Van's point, uh, Romney was just kicking it on that spaceship for 23 years by himself with, I mean, you know, with a robot, but like, you know, it's just like, that's not true. Yeah, Dr. Hugh man. Um, I don't know. He was up there by himself. He went to sleep a couple of times, but yeah, to think that they would come out. I love that performance in that scene,

because he's obviously slightly insane when they, when they get back, he's obviously holding it in. He's like, seeing ghosts. He's in his pajamas now. No more space suit. Like, he's like,

legitimate. He didn't answer the door in some. He's like, he's like, it's fucked now. Like,

yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got some coffee. I'm glad you got some back. I didn't think I would ever see you guys again. So no, I hear what you guys are saying, and you guys are absolutely right, but this also might be for me, it might be indicative of the esteem that I hold the movie in now. The movie almost, and Project Hell Mary felt like this to me too. Like, I was, I was just a ball of emotions. It was,

“the movie was so effective on me. I think I'm going through something, but it's, it's a wonderful”

film. But I fall into interstellar. Like, I believe it. It's a documentary to me. I don't know why. Like, I fall into interstellar. Everything that happens seems so genuine, even with some of the stuff that we've talked about. But everything, all the points you guys are saying, they're all landing. Melanie, think you want to say about the, the, the, the honestly be, do you want to say that for the end? Or that's, I mean, you know, I know it's our close and category, but you, you're covered,

and I mean, the journey home, the quest home is certainly the thing that revisiting interstellar now. I think makes this feel like we are readying and preparing for the Odyssey, and obviously, also spending time with Matt Damon, a skewman, great stuff. And that's right. Yeah, the, the, I'm curious if Chris will talk about this in the many interviews that will do around the Odyssey, but like, the details like every minute on Miller's planet is seven years, right,

isn't that, isn't that the case? Every hour, yeah, every hour, sorry, yeah, that makes more sense. Every hour is seven years. What did it cost us decades? Yes, um, but like, you know, Odysseus is detained for seven years on Clipsa's Island, or like, you've got Penelope's faith that he would return and telemicases and like anger at his father's absence, or like, if you just watch the trailer, you have Anne Hathaway saying to Matt Damon, like, promise me he'll come back and he says,

what if I can't, like, how is that not the beginning of this movie also? So I'm just, I'm so excited to see he passes her a brown and tobacco custom car heart Detroit trucker jacket. Yeah, and she wears and you're like her group mythology, really is all the same story. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah.

“I think I've already covered sort of like what was different about Jonathan Nolan's version and”

Chris Nolan's version, um, but I will just say I really love it when these brothers work together. I think they make great shit. Okay, anything else we want to talk about before we get into these, uh, sort of superlative category things that we do. I guess just quickly, like, where we are in the, the McConnell songs at this point. Oh, yeah, it's this earlier, but that feels like kind of key

context, right? Because he's coming off. This is his first film after the Oscar winning downstairs.

It's the same year as true detective. So this is just like, this is the peak, this is the peak moment for him in terms of like, an a second peak, a new peak in terms of like him doing stuff that really recalibrated how people thought about him as a performer. I have a thought here and I want us to tell me our content culture brains together has anyone reinvented like this. So think about it. So, so, so,

you know, all right, all right, days and confused, almost in a Brad Pittish sort of way. Not

quite like Brad Pitt. He comes on. He's beautiful and all that stuff. But then you have movies where Matthew McConaughey is a serious Hollywood leading man. Then something happens throughout the 2000s. Matthew McConaughey becomes sort of a joke. Like, he becomes completely become sort of a joke. And other guys started like ramp up this cool factor. The oceans and leavens movie movies come out, Brad and George are Hollywood cool guys way up here. Other stars start to develop.

Bego Mortonson comes up and becomes this huge box office star. But also a guy that's just in like dead ass cool movies like a history of violence and Eastern promises. All of this stuff starts to happen.

“And Matthew McConaughey starts to become a guy that no one fucking takes seriously anymore. Right?”

Then he just completely nukes that with four or five different choices mud into Dallas,

bars club, into interstellar, into true detective. And he's seen this in apex is, oh, I'm sorry. Magic Mike. Magic Mike. Yeah. He doesn't like even come back. He creates a new Matthew McConaughey. And I'm trying to figure out if anybody has ever done that in that way. I'm trying to think of somebody who has done it that way. I don't think there's a direct conflict. I think you have someone like downy who's personal life sort of goes his career. And he came back. But didn't like,

I mean, being Tony Stark is very different from being like chaplain. So like he did come back to do something different. But like, um, I don't know that I would I would call it the exact same thing. Colin Farrell is one of my favorite career directories because Colin was like this like heart for obelining man. And then he was like, and then he was also sort of considered, he made Alexander, like he was considered a joke for a while. He did like, swat. You're just like, what is Colin Farrell

doing? And then he becomes like an actor's actor, you know, when he comes back. I mean, he was Colin

“Farrell. I think about horrible bosses. I don't know. I'm like, I didn't know he could be that”

funny. And then there's the whole professor actually. Okay. I'm thinking about what what McConaughey did is he just started like when he does magic Mike, when he does mud, which is so good, when he does like Bernie, you know, like he does a bunch of things where he's just sort of like, I don't give a fuck at this point. And I'm just going to do what's really interesting to me. And so there it becomes less of like a calculated career and more of a like, well, if you're going to like not take me seriously,

anyway, I might as well just do what interests me. And then in doing so turns in this true detective role,

which I will always swear really one of the, like, dels by their club is incredible. But like,

I don't think he wins that Oscar. If two detective didn't come out right at the same time, and just sweep him up in this moment. And then watching him in this, it's so well, because I would say even now, like McConaughey's still, you know, he did enough to win. And back to say, he's doing the, he's the Uber, I made a joke about it. He's, he now has revered it, not revered it. I don't want to disdain him. Well, I'm saying is he, the guy who he was at that time was probably closer to who he

actually is. And so he doesn't really want to be taken super duper seriously. You can see him being an Uber eats detective, like, on commercials, like, that's a thing. And like, like, in the Cadillac car guy, like, there's this feeling. Yeah, this is like a single system about Matthew and then every man is that probably is, is, is more, uh, genuine to who he is. Well, this is why Nolan said he wanted to cast him in this film, because he wanted it every man, but I just don't think that like age age

aside. I don't think Matthew McCawney now is leading a Christopher, no, a big Christopher. No, the way that, like, he was in that very moment. I don't think, like, let's pretend he's the same age now. I don't think Nolan's casting him in this row. Yeah. Yeah. So I said that with love. And

“effect. I love him too. And I think he's, I think he's, I think he's graded this. But I just remember”

a time when everybody kept waiting for it to happen. And he tried to romantic comedy thing for some reason. People, some of them worked. But then everybody just went, okay, well, Matthew McCawney, it's didn't really, you know, he'll be like a leading man, but not like anything big. And then it came back and it was like, he goes, nah, I'm here. Like, yeah, I got this. Maybe there's a Nick Cage

Nick is, let's check back in after Spider-Nor. I guess so. It's almost over the street, the school of this school is just over the street and then the head of the building. No, not at all. This street is my safe space. You mean, you're all right? Yeah, exactly. This street is the street that just stops you.

The street is on the top or the top. The street is really nice. I don't know how to stay. -Stay on the bed. -Safe. With this street. All right. Let's do our categories.

As always, every category starts with a Christopher Nolan movie quote,

why so serious? Funniest line or moment from this movie, Van Lathen, when you have? To me, the funniest line, I don't know, I have to say it. The funniest line is, I don't know why this makes me laugh so much. But John Lithgow, just being pissed off that baseball is dead when the whole world... Yeah. It's like, "Where's my hot dog?"

I want to talk to a ball game. I want to hot dog. I mean, you popcorn at a ball game. First of all, we do number one. And then secondly, do there's no more food. We start real ball players in my day. They didn't go on strike. My man, the world is ending.

Just can you control it? That I always laugh at that.

“Because that's how my dad would have been pissed off at the end of the world.”

That was one of mine where you cut away, and it says, "The New York Yankees." It's just very funny. In Jonathan Lithgow's original script, what happened is there's a broken-down fan. And there's a bunch of ball players, whatever. And then Coup stops to fix their fan and he gets it going for them.

And then you see on the side of the fan, New York Yankees. They're in a shitty fan. That's how they get to their games.

But that was always the joke of 10% of the population's left.

And that's why this is where the New York Yankees are playing. It's not. Malay, what do you have? Makes me think about an endgame, the therapy scene. It's like how much we miss the mess. Let's get like a non-New York baseball team in one of these

apocalyptic scenarios. My pick is Tars. I just think that we need the levity that Tars provide throughout the movie because it is a very, very intense movie and a number of different respects in moving and beautiful and profound ways in just like scary, high tension ways. And so I love the through line of the power his settings calibrated,

where is his honesty setting, 90% absolute honesty isn't always the most diplomatic, where is his humor setting during take-off, et cetera. And I love the payoff that we build to, at the very end, in the home-stead museum, on-tanker, when Koop is restoring Tars. And he's like, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to go to 75.

Okay, no, we got to do this down to 65. Do you want to go to 55? It just makes me chuckle. It's great. I think these are my picks.

“I think, also, Koop saying you told them I like farming to older Murphy is really, really good.”

But for me, it's when, Damon, Dr. Hugh Man, I mean, Dr. Hugh Man is the funniest part of this whole movie, honestly. But like, Dr. Hugh Man is gearing up to give his big speech. There is a moment and then the whole thing just explodes on him. I got it. That's genuinely iconic. I love that. That's a great thing.

You know who's under a pressure off at the, I'm sorry. No, go ahead, go ahead. Bill Irwin. Yeah, I don't know why he's, he's under appreciated. Remember why I blew heaven? This is my, he's dancing around.

Yeah, I blew heaven. And like, he's like, he's got rubbery. I don't know, he's just under appreciated. Like, he doesn't get, he's just like, Rachel, Rachel getting married. Oh, so he's like, so good in that movie. He's going to be in the Odyssey.

That's right. And I don't think it's been announced.

“He's playing, but I think some people are suspecting he's playing,”

like, polyfamous or something. Oh, hell, he's doing, like, it's go. Like, a mocap performance. But yeah, Bill Irwin, that would be perfect. Ma, what, sorry, you were saying Irwin, Irwin, Irwin, is this one of these,

like, it is, the line is delivered in a way that only in Matthew McCottay could deliver the line. And so I think it's, it's the way he's delivering it. That makes me chuckle more than the, the language itself though.

It is also, just the writing is amazing.

And the parent teacher conference, you know, he's like, you're telling me it takes two numbers to measure your own ass. But only one to measure my son's future. And the way he says it. Now, again, we say this with the self awareness of

of being people who record routinely three hour podcasts, one of them that there's something about the way that coop stretches out every word. It's like the amount of time it should take to say seven words.

But I find it, I'm not a very pleasant, honestly.

This is, this is like a, there are so many, so Damon, the way that Damon's deployed, this would be the way that Ellen versus deployed in this movie, like they're just great uses of like powerhouse actors inside of this movie. And then you put David yellow in this like principal role.

And I was like, what the fuck are we doing here? We take it off yellow. Like, this is the biggest waste of absolute telly of this movie. But I feel like early on, maybe this wasn't early on.

“But remember David was also in, um, he was also in, uh,”

plan of the eighths. Remember, he was in planning. I forgot that. Yeah, he remember he was in planning eighths. He's in, I feel like he was just trying to get his face out there.

He was, yeah, he wasn't, he hadn't done like sell my yet or anything like that. So like he wasn't like it. But like, when you don't like, he's now, you're like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, oh, young Timothy Schalme is there and you're like, yeah, he was baby, like whatever he was getting started.

But I was like, David yellow, you didn't know what you had here, man. Um, anyway, um, okay. Next category is you mustn't be afraid to treat a little bigger dolling. The biggest set piece, family. Oh, man.

So look, there are a lot of them that are sick. But okay. So what counts as a set piece here? All right, because, because, so whatever you want, whatever I want, go this way.

All right, yeah. Now, all you guys are going to go, some of you guys are going to go wormhole, some of you guys are going to go black, whatever. Man, the fucking Maverick's chasing Maverick's wave water plan. It whole joint.

Yeah. Yeah, that's my answer to fucking answer a fucking question. Like that entire joint is so I feel so miniscule. I am so scared for them. Even when I watch it now, like, just the way those, those aren't mountains.

Get back to the ship. Whoa, what the fuck? That entire thing is just high octane man. And that's the stuff that Nolan's really good at.

“And I think, I mean, this isn't my Zimmer answer,”

but I'm, I'm, like, I don't mean to like blow the Zimmer category later, but like the tick talk on the score. So I'm sweating bullets at a whole sequence. You can feel how heavy like the gravity is on the, oh, it's just like, oh my god. That's, this is my pick as well.

I do think there are a lot of candidates for this category, but that this is like kind of clearly the winner. It's one of the most iconic and indelible visual sequences from the film. And I think it's also one where a lot of the core character impulses and beats and the science aspects are beautifully captured.

Like, this is such a key stretch for the time dilation, which I think probably will all come back to another categories. But, you know, even something like thinking about like the descent down to the planet. And this question of like, you know, the, the idea of the, break the air break, right?

The coup is going to try.

Because like the fuel conservation is key in every second counts.

And the question of like, do you want me to turn off the feedback? Oops, like, no, I need to feel the air. You're like, we're watching, we're getting to another category. Like, we're watching a great man at work. And then it's like, it doesn't matter.

It's on enough because the scope of the thing they're facing is so gargantuan, so Titanic. I love that to your point, Van that recognition that feat, where he's like, we're in the middle of the swell. It gives you like something as, um, uh,

kind of like grounded and documentarian is like, you can feel that way watching hundreds of wait on HBO, right? But then you take this to these genre, uh, uh, a places. I love the moment where Amelia realizes what after they find the beacon. They find the wreckage.

Oh, this just happened for Miller, right? Just happened. That is just a party aspect for cake.

It helps us understand it's crucial.

It helps us on, you can say one hour, seven years. We can get back to Ram on the ship and he's like 23 years past. Something like understanding that the reason they didn't know things that got wrong is because it had just happened here, even though all this time it passed for them.

“And I think really crucial when you re-watch and you can sort of like,”

see where her ship, you know, in this sort of that massive wide shot. Did you know, this is a fun fact I learned from this movie. Did you know the phrase fly by the seat of your pants comes from like, aviators using the vibration and the seat of their airplanes to guide them as they, as they go. No. Or if I did that, I forgot. But I love knowing it.

I feel Richard, you wanted to fly by the seat of his pants. Great. So I think also the seeing the turn, looking and seeing just the wave of water. That's like one of the more inception. Yes, visual. To me in this movie where you're just like, you see something that allows you to

understand the physical space and the reality of where you are and what the characters are facing. Instantly, and it's just, it's the best. If you won't forget what it is, you won't forget it. I would say also inside of that, um, when you see this robot that you thought you

Two like two things on the same way.

“But then we all just, yeah, because in the movies, I was like, oh, shit.”

All right, two things I'll say. One is the how, when you get on that planet and that planet's water, what's again? Yeah. That feels kind of safe. The reason why I feel safe is because, like, when we see planets that are bearing and don't have any life, when we think of planets that are bad, we don't think of planets covered in water. We think of the Earth as being a planet that can say in us, sustain us, because it's covered in water.

So that you land in the planet's water, oh, this is Earth, like, the water that might have fucking fish, this fucking, I don't know, it's dolphins, might have come around saying hello to you, whatever. But then go, the water on that planet, being the predators, being the thing that makes the planet uninhabitable, just automatically you're scared. On the backside of that, there's a profound statement that the movie continues to

make about how we experience things with each other. If you've ever talked to somebody that's

been through something really traumatic, they always say it feels like it was just yesterday.

Especially for, like, a time. They always go, I know that's been a lot of time for you, but it feels like it just happened to me. It feels, I am still connected to this event, like, in a way that signals immediacy. And so when you have three different people when they leave there, like, they almost could have saved her, something just happened to her. Wow, it was 23 years for this other guy, because you also hear that as a human being. This one month where I was

stuck in this trench or doing this thing, it felt like an entire e-on. So all of that stuff, the same event, how they experience it differently, just kind of mirrors our experience here with different things that we go through. I love that. I mean, it reminds me of like the way the way I've talked about time since COVID and the way COVID just completely destroyed my understanding of how time progresses. Like, every, like, word 2006, that I'm just sort of like, yeah, but COVID was yesterday.

Like, COVID was just last year. And that's, to Rama, okay, um, you either die here or live long enough to see yourself become the villain, who is the real villain of this movie fan. You already talked about it a little bit, but do you want to? It's young coop. Not young coop. It's young Murphy. Young Murphy is the real villain of this movie. Young Murphy, because up to young Murphy, we'd have been eating corn fritters until the ash of age killed the sun, okay, is I, if, oh, I'm sorry, I was

“bored. I'm sorry. No, no spoilers. I take that out. I'm not, I'm not, I just, if you're young. You're a mess. I think you're. That's the real villain arc”

of this movie. It's her getting a lot of stuff. A lot of stuff. The young Murphy, her fucking is, hey, Murphy, guess what? Daddy got to go save the species, okay? He might not be around to help you bring your hair, okay? Daddy got to go save the species. Like, yeah, Daddy got to go get on the craft

and pile, I know, I just, it's hard for me. I'm getting older, okay? I never had any kids. So maybe this is

something that, you know, it happens with kids, but when I look at it now, if young Murphy gets her way, we fucked. None of this happens, because he wouldn't have gone. So this is the, the true villain arc as her stepping into her role as a genius and actually picking up the pencil and putting down the emotions and helping humanity figure out what we're going to do next. She was bothered in the shit out of me early in the movie. I'm sorry. I love you, I'm Mark. That's so funny. Um,

“incredible take. I think young Murphy is so good and you need, you need to really feel”

weight and incredible shot when Koop is driving away from the house and the camera is placed on like the side of the truck as if it's like a rocket taking off. You know what I mean? And you have to like feel how painful this decision is for him. And so like you just need that like you and like he pulls back the blankets and she's not there. Yeah, she was hiding there before. I don't know. I, I, I, I, I get the bit van and I support it, but, uh, even that I can't support you. Even that

though, I, this also could be a black bean. No, I told you, I told you to stay your ass in the house. I didn't tell you to get under the blanket. I didn't tell you to get under the blanket. Yeah, because that's it. He likes that she's there. This is a, this is the thing that that I actually wish I wish that sometimes when I did my precaution shit that somebody went on, maybe we should kind of

really have a true villain besides time. Time is the actual villain of the movie. So I would give it to

young ones because I don't like the plug. I'm going to, I'm going to give it to climate change,

“Miller, everyone's here. Yeah, I already, I already said my nuts at the beginning. I think the”

way that the, that sort of the, I do use it that certain characters like human or in a way. Uh, thank you for using this. Welcome. The elder Dr. Brander, even in some respects like, Tom, older Tom, or fusing to let his family go, even though they're dying by staying there. The way that this like, uh, aspect of a survival instincts, your choice, the threat of time and loss can be warped in a lie to make the wrong decisions. Like, when man, when he mans says, um, of Dr. Brand,

when they're talking about that reveal, he knew how hard it would be to get people to save the species instead of themselves. I think that connects to it to a van is saying it is obviously true,

but then you build toward, I've always really loved the moment where, um, on the heels of that

monster's lie quote from Amelia, man says, like he acknowledges it, right? He's not, he's not, there's no contention there. He's like, unforgivable. And he knew that he was prepared to destroy his own humanity in order to save the species he made an incredible sacrifice. And this is the kind of warped thinking, there's a version of that, that's true, but then there's a version of it that leads to the warped delusional thinking that man will then turn into, I can make an incredible sacrifice. I can kill

coupe. I can do whatever I deem necessary and say it is under the guise of ensuring that the species persevere, but really it's because I don't want to die. Um, so I just think the way that the film explores that is, is fascinating and getting to see man as Cooper's choking and gasping for his last,

“ammonia-free breaths is like, you're feeling it, aren't you? The survival instinct, that's what drove”

me and trying to build a connection to this person he is seeking to kill, but also being like, this is so good. Our voices would be like, I thought I could, I thought I could stick around on what to do, but I can't even imagine it's like the cowardice of turning off his radio is what allows coupe to call for help and eventually be okay. Yeah, that's so it's a great. What's your picture? You said climate changes that your actual pick, it's a great one. I mean, I thought your man,

your doctor Hugh Mann quote, um, about convincing, uh, he managed to to protect this species. I also wrote last of us as self-ishness, like, you know, or myopic, myopy, uh, isn't myopy? Uh, I think that like, I mean, it's, it's, it's, the thing I love about the last of us and I love about the Dr. Hugh Mann's stuff is like that is like, it's very understandable. Oh, yeah, yes. But it's also like, it's not who you hope you'd be, uh, you know, one face with these decisions,

exactly who you would be. So that's exactly right. The perfect way to put it. Um, all right, are you watching closely? Most exquisitely gorgeous shots. What crowd of category for this maybe?

Van, what do you have? Yeah, it's very tough, you know, um, yeah, I personally love the first

past of the warm home. That's my pick. Yeah, it's my eye. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's my, that's my gorgeous. That's my favorite. It just looks crazy. It looks crazy. It feels crazy. It feels crazy. It feels great. You feel the weight of what's happening on screen. In an interview with that I watch with Jonathan Nolan, which I referenced a lot when we did our prestige episode. This is great. It's on YouTube. It's, it was at Sundance and it was like, it's like a career retrospective of his career

and like, where science and his career meet. And so they were talking a lot about the science of the warm holes in this and how like, kept foreign, like, was very specific about how it should look. Like, very, very, very specific. And it was like incredibly time consuming and hard for them to render at the way that he said, but they, they did it. And then there were like studies done later that corroborated that this was actually quite an accurate depiction of what going through.

I mean, how could people know? I don't know. But, um, but they were talking about this about the visuals. And then the, the one who was interviewing him was talking about the color in it. And she's like, she's talking about this color schemeing before the warm home and after. And he's like, here's the fun fact about both my brother and me. We're color blind, uh, which I don't know how broadly known that is. I didn't know it. Maybe it's widely known. I didn't know it. Um, and uh,

“and he said, that's why you don't see a lot of red and crystal and movies. But he's not true”

of 10 it. But like, is maybe like true across his filmography. I don't know. But anyway, he was like, we're red green color blind. I was like, that's fascinating to me. Interesting. Um, this is my pick as well. And I think to that like broader science point, Joe, you know, the stuff on the, again, not let me be clear, not a scientist, not an astronaut, not a physicist. I don't know fucking anything about any of this, not a mathematician. But you know, it's at it. He was a teller,

but I wanted to tell us the one and a half years. So yeah, um, this, like, everything with the warm

and stranger things like the acrobat building. You know, we get, let's break out a pencil and a piece of

paper and explain something very hard to understand in a very simple way. I always love that.

Is there another way to explain what else? Then the pencil through the paper, play a piece of paper. What artists? Um, and, you know, that, that part of the, on the

“size, the time dilation stuff. I mean, this is a, all, I think all time, like, pantheon, bootstrap,”

paradox, movie. We love talking about all this stuff. It's like really wonderful. If you're interested in thinking about, um, that, that, the, so these are the science aspects of the story that I love. The parts where I'm like, I, there's a line in the movie about recursive and non-sensical, and then I wonder if the movie sometimes falls into that trap is more about the, like, what is solvable or not solvable about the equation and the connection to gravity and what we can

parse, et cetera. But again, I'm, I'm, I'm fine with it. But this, did you guys go to the planetarium? I'm a lot when you were kids. Was this a thing? I used to know when I could. There wasn't much of one in Baton Rouge, but we tried. I loved, I'm like, such a, like, English, social, social studies, student broadly, and I was pretty, like, bad at math and science, but I loved going to the science center and space was something I loved going to go into the planetarium. This warm whole

sequence where you're basically looking at, like, a, um, like a gummy marble, like, as the sphere explanation folds, and then you move on this, like, bright river. It basically is, like,

“planetarium kid grows up to hit a bomb with an astrophysicist. And I think that's ideal. This is”

way, like, avatar. This is why you like, avatar. And, you know, the, like, coolly synthetic drug sequences of the avatar films are definitely my favorite parts of them. I like the fact that they don't just go straight into the warm whole either. They like orbit it. You know, the theme

that they do where they shoot, uh, cool flying the craft. And he's always on the side of something

and they shoot it over the top. It just makes it feel a lot more rich. He didn't just go into the middle of the, they didn't pull out wide and then show the small craft going into the middle. That's not what they did. They put you into the experience of going into the warm whole, which was very innovative to me. By the way, I just figured out, because when you were talking about this telescope, I think I'm going to buy a telescope. This is the part of my life. I'm going to go good.

But figure out why? Fantastic. Well, I have a negative opinion of telescopes. I figured out why. Why? I should know a guy and when I first got out to LA and the whole thing with the telescope, you're going to say he would use the telescope, he had a telescope on his balcony. And the whole purpose of the telescope was like, how long that hose? That was the whole purpose of telescope. It was like, how is the, how is the peeping time? Yeah. But he would have the

telescope, and he, the telescope, and now I'm like, I don't want to. He went down. He was the telescope to look at you. You just got to aim it up. Aim it. It's just got you in race to look at a

time. I know. What I was like, it was a horse. This was one of the first true real

creeps that I ever met. This was my antennas started working that right. This guy had the nicest crib I had ever been to. When we go there and he goes, the telescope is for two reasons. One is wooing women because you get a girl out there and you go, look through the telescope and then you know, you're doing something together, she's like, and then you're like, over a shoulder, you're adjusting.

“Yeah, he's doing a whole thing with the telescope. That's what he said. And he, but he goes also,”

you know, these curtains around here and I was like, oh, I'm, I'm driving home. Like, did you hear what he just said about the fucking telescope? I can't hang out with this guy anymore. I mean, that's what they're doing again. If you go to someone's house and their telescope is pointed level or, or, or even worse, like, down like, turning. Now it can have a telescope in your crib. I'm kind of looking at you a little funny. I'm kind of like, what you're using the telescope for.

It's, you know, maybe I won't get one. Oh, and now it's kind of quaint because I feel like now people do that with drones. Like, now people just fly drones around looking trees. You're right, women under us. You remember, have you ever had a, had a drone come, like, hang outside your window? I thought that happened in Oakland. And I'm just sort of like, very disturbing. How is this legal? How are you allowed to just sort of, like, drop a camera in front of my window with the

clarifying? Um, the, uh, some quick runners up here. Like, you mentioned show the, the, like, size perspective and how the movie reminds us of how small people are. I, um, I love how we get that in space and also on the terrain. Like, the, the kind of first zoomed out wide shot on the ice planet on humans planet of Cooper and man, they're fighting and they're just like, backs when we pan wide during their fight scene and they're tiny little specks in this, like, I see a fist on this

giant kind of glacier, glacial scape. I love that. Um, when, after man, your, your comedy moment, after man is like specifying and then explodes the endurance because you're not properly, uh,

spinning like a pinwheel across the screen is just visually arresting and astonishing, but particularly the shot we get of Cooper and Amelia and kiss and tarser in their ranger on the left of the screen and endurance is pinwheeling and the debris is flying over and the ice planet is beneath them. That is like, just looks so fucking cool. And when you've got to see that back in the day, the theater or you get to watch it now and 4K, it's like, fuck, this is why we watch movies. It's

just amazing. Um, when, quickly, quickly, amount of, did you have any, uh, stranger things PTSD

when you realize that there are 12 spots on the clock that is the endurance? I'm always thinking of

you have any and the ticking clock and why it had to be 12, always, always. Um, and then I just love the, it's like a, a kind of like a twin to the warm whole shop, but, you know, in this case, the black hole, Gargantua, when tiny, broken endurance is, uh, moving toward Gargantua and that, like, amazing shot of light, matter, bending world. You know, this looks like like rivers of lava, like as there, but it's just, that looks so cool. It's just looks so great. I, I mean, like,

also part of this is, I mean, I don't know if this is far from someone else's category, but like, the, the brand, Cooper handshake on each side of, of that experience, the way that she reaches out for him on the way in and then he reaches out for her on the way back and test. Okay, okay. I can't remember to forget you the scene you think about the most. I will say,

“not just because I'm saving it really, but genuinely true. I think about that brand,”

love monologue the most. That's right. That's, that's the one I think about the most. Maybe it means something more something we can't understand. Maybe it's some evidence, some artifact of a higher dimension that we can't consciously perceive. I'm drawn across the universe to someone I haven't seen in a decade, who I know is probably dead. Love is the one thing that we're capable of perceiving that trends and dimensions of time and space. Maybe we should, we should trust that even if we can't

understand it. How hot do you think Wolf Edmonds was to inspire this, uh, had to be a ten, galaxy had to be a tenacious. Who would you can? That wasn't said. I mean, I would be adding it. Great question. So he has a beard. So he has to, yes, I have, he has to be, he has to be hot bearded scientists. I have no notes. I mean, I would play in 2014 who is a great hot bearded scientist. So I don't think he's as pretty as like a cloning because, you know, yeah, cloning and gravity.

“I don't think he's that pretty. I think he is probably, let me see somebody. Is he a”

bearded Walton Goggins? Maybe not. Now. Um, I love Goggins, but I love Goggins, but he's never going

to deliver like a scientist of the top tier caliber to be sent on this mission to save Earth. That's not his vibe ever. Oh, oh, what's my man from train dreams? Oh, Georgia 10. Is he, is that, is that him? I could see that being him. For sure. Yeah. That's a good pick. Joel can grow great beard. Did you see Matt Damon complaining about the fact that Chris Nolan made him grow a real beard for the Odyssey? He's like, can we do a fake beard? And Nolan's like, who do you think you're

talking to? It's not a beard. What do you think you're talking to right now? Girl, we have a beard. We'll be out on the ocean for weeks on that. No glue is strong enough. Girl, I guess the salt water come on. Um, Mallory, what's your, what's the CV think about the most? I, the first time I saw this in every time I revisit it, I am just shaking to my core. We've talked about this a lot already, but the, the dawning horror when you realize the, the time that was lost on the water planet,

like it hits so fucking hard. You have the pre-trip down calculus. So you,

in some ways are prepared, but it's like you can never be prepared. You can be prepared intellectually,

“but not emotionally. And that is one of the core aspects of this film. And I think that's really”

centered effectively here. Um, you know, you have this discussion like planet as it works. The people on Arthur dead by the time we get back, et cetera. So there's, how are we, okay, let's do this and send this and how are we going to save as much time as we can and then it doesn't matter. Everything happens with the title wave. They've got to let the engines dry. The time is lost and the Cooper brand argument after the wave crashes, and they are realizing in real time.

I'm confronting in real time what this means and what is happening, what's this going to cost us brand a lot decades. And that argument they have like when he makes the, you know, you aches, you know, we're not prepared for this. And she's like, we got further than anyone in human history and he says not far enough and that we're stuck here till there won't be anyone left on earth to

moment. It's a perfect scene. It's a very important moment for Amelia. I think for her character. It's like everybody's carrying shit with them, not just Cooper, but we feel it's so keenly because he's our protagonist and we do know what the math means and what he's left behind and who he's trying to get back to. And that agonizing conversation they have about like, she basically has to explain, you know, time construction, it can squeeze, but you can't go back and like you, it's just

crushing down on you just like the water like this is the realization and the crystallization of what we face, what the cost could be for the people on earth, but also the stress of every decision that they make on the planet in the ship, what every single move or mistake they make might cost

“them and costs everybody else is just like titanic. So I think about that a lot. Also, the table.”

Well, there's also this tension between like he's a smart pilot and she is he's smart for a pilot. She's dumb for an astronaut like he's he's he's he's mission he's a mission guy. She is a science person. So there's a tension there in him just being completely what are my parameters? What is this? And she's sitting down trying to think of things in their totality. She has to remind him at the end that there's also a cost for her emotionally because she's an answers person

and he's a mission guy. So he's used to tapping her for data and then moving on with the data.

This is a stupid answer that I'm about to give, but the most absurdist scene that I always remember

is just him going through like the black hole or whatever. Just just how just how like I had no idea what was going to happen. I still kind of don't know what happened. The tesser actually. The tesser. I still kind of don't understand it. And every time I watch the movie, I hope to understand it more and it never happens. I don't know he comes when I'm when I'm in the theater, this was the part that I was like it's kind of like the you know like it was getting the head tilt.

“I was like that because I'm like okay, so he's out of his suit. Is this happening for real?”

Is this like something that's this is an allegory visually or like what's going on here? And every time I watch the movie, I hope to get it a little bit more and it's not what I know that the they came and got him, but like it still doesn't make very much sense to me. He got himself. He got himself. He got himself. That's the bootstrap. The bootstrap packs aspect of this that I think is kind of satisfying on the mystery box puzzle front.

I don't will like those five-dimensional space, manifesting as three-dimensional space so that it could be accessible. We had that primer earlier from a melee of like maybe time would render as a canyon or a mountain. So like what shape would it take for coop to be able to under my brain? Yes, a space library that I mean it's a one it is a wonderful set of bookshelves in mushroom back in the homestead. No question about it. That's all great. But this idea of like

“okay, we've been hearing throughout the entire film day. They put the wormhole here and these”

these anomalies and these gravity, these gravitational events and using gravity. So the idea that he is initially in this space and crying out to himself, to his kid, he's the one who delivered

the message "Stay" then never if to code it and in more code. Because even then in the climax of

the film, his impulse is to say don't do this thing. Don't wind up right here where you are and then he has to recognize in real time. I'm the one who sent those coordinates so that we could get to NASA so that I could go, "There's no day. I'm day." Yeah, I called myself here. Can I? And this fulfilling circular aspect of that paradox? And then the other little detail is like because Tars is basically like, Cooper's like people, you know, the

conversation is about could we have, you can't build this, we can't build this. In the future, it is built by a more advanced evolved version of civilization that can only is a chance to evolve in advance because of the things that Cooper and Murphy-- Yeah, I love, I mean as you know,

I love a bootstrap paradox and I love that like it was always gonna happen this way because it

already did happen this way and all that shit I love. That part like pushing the bootstrap and moving the watch I'm less I'm less here's my knock. Here's my knock. Tars has to be so stupid in that sequence. Oh, this is a great knock. Sorry, this just be like, "What do you mean, Cooper?" And Cooper's like a fly boy is like, "Well, don't you see? This is how this works." I'm just like, I mean, it's great that Bill Irwin's voice is there so that it's not just like,

Cooper muttering the shit to himself like you needed someone there. But I wish they had like explained that Tars was like slightly damaged and malfunctioning or whatever to like, I'll be understand why he was so stupid in that moment. But yeah, that's fine. All right, swear to me. This movie is PG-13 which means it could have exactly one FOM and actually

Cooper does say fucking coward when he's fighting Dr. Hugh Mann. Yes. But where else would you drop

an FOM inside of this movie, Van? Do you have an answer for this? Uh, in the scene where they tell the devil yellow old tells him that his son is nothing more than a foreigner. My kid's going to fucking college. Okay? That's a great deal. You'll be like, I'll tell me about my kid because that's where it would have been dropped in my life.

“You know what I mean? My mom and my dad, but kid's going to fucking college, you know?”

So that when I thought about it, that's the scene where he has a lot of rage, especially for that lady that lady who actually might be not even to David or Yellow, maybe to her who doesn't believe that the moon landing is very tough. Yeah, you don't fucking believe we went to the moon or you don't believe we went to the fucking moon or just you gotta be, she says all that. You got to be fucking kidding me. You know, it's something like that because her skepticism of all that, I guess

a sponsor represents the cynicism that, you know, humans have in scientific achievement at that point and all that stuff like that and how there are some people that want to just like die on this bearing sort of a pine box earth and not go out and seek more and how that's actually the

been the thing that's always held us back and not necessarily, you know, whatever. But yeah,

that's where a bomb would have been perfect. Well, this idea that like David Yellow says we're caretaking generation, right? It's our job to just sort of like, so yeah, it's our job to tell everyone just be a farmer for now, get us through the other side. Don't, don't dream of anything, else you gotta keep your nose to the grindstone. But also, you know, I have a different answer for this, but we have a category later of like what hits harder, like 12 years later and I will say that like

severely editing school books, it's differently for me now than it did in 2014. So quote, challenging things I thought we all agreed. So such a funny world that we live in now,

as I watch Indiana Jones fight the Nazis, my entire life, right? And I watch actually in last

“crusade, didn't make a outright commentary on the burning of books. Maybe you should try reading books”

instead of burning them. And now all of this is mainstream, the Nazis are mainstream, the censorship of the books is mainstream, Indiana Jones, a lot to me. I'll stick with with my, my girl Amelia Brandt here for a moment and just kind of continue through that stretch of the story on the heels of the arguments and destruction on a Miller's planet, where Cooper, who, at least at this point in the story as we've discussed, this is an evolution

for him. But at this point in the story is very much focused on what he wants and what he cares about in his family. And then Amelia is in a similar position, we should choose Edmund's planet, not man's and Cooper's like literally on the other side of the exact conversation he had with Donald on the porch about like, you know, just because he wanted doesn't mean it's wrong, like it might, right? And then Amelia goes, so Cooper makes the call. We're going to, we're going to man's planet.

And then Amelia has to just kind of proceed and goes and checks on the colonies, it okay, and Cooper goes off and apologizes, and she says, you might have to decide between seeing your

“children again and the future, the human race, I trust you'll be as objective then, and I think she”

should have said, I trust you'll be as fucking objective then, because I wouldn't have been very well-earned. Very well-earned at that point in their relationship, but in the story. I mean, her tone is giving exactly what I should say. I think the use of Anne Hathaway, no one's used to be in Hathaway is so interesting, because like putting her as catwoman in the dark night rises when she was at like a very low point in her career, there was that whole period of time right before she won the Oscar for

laymas, which is like it's dark night rises laymas, and then this essentially like that there was that whole like Anne Hathaway like ability moment where it's like Jennifer Lawrence's cool and Anne Hathaway is a drama school tri-hard. It was just like really, you talked about character reinvention, like a career reinvention, it was just like a really weird patchy time in Anne Hathaway's career. So, Castier's Catwoman was like this huge controversy thing, and then I think she actually

completely killed it, was so good in that. Very well-earned. And then she then, yeah, I'm very good, and then she does laymas, wins an Oscar, and then she does like her being in this movie, I think is like a such a fascinating, like Jessica Chastay, not just because she's been in the Martian, but like Jessica Chastay, like makes so much sense in this movie, and Anne Hathaway doesn't make a ton, like I would not think of her for Amelia Brand right away, but I love that she's here,

her intelligence, but also there's just like an inherent sentimentality doing Anne Hathaway performance, that, yes, and there's like an at a level of empathy from her, but also for her that we feel.

Let me tell you who never had a, what's going on with Anne Hathaway's Anne Hathaway? Me,

“always lunged out Hathaway. She's, she's great. I believe you're on the right side of history. I'm”

just saying not of the, the Catwoman thing was super interesting, because I, I never, I never recoiled from it, but I was like, huh, because remember now, for me, at least, the Catwoman, you know, it was Michelle Fyfer, and I just remember I was, you know, it was going crazy, man. It's like, you know, it's going crazy. It's one of the most important things that's ever out there. It's like, yeah, yeah, it's just like crazy, brother, you know, and then just the

cast of the Catwoman, I don't know if you guys, there's a, well, I know you guys, who am I talking to, but that cast and then drove Sean Young crazy, like, not to this Sean Young, but Sean Young, so, going around the town. She lost her mind about it. Like Sean Hathaway, so it was like this

big, huge deal, and it was a very understated cast, and then when you watch the movie, the first scene

you go, she's got it. Like the first scene, the first scene, she's like, she's got it. She understands the role, she kids the goddamn cane, takes the thing off. She's Catwoman, she's got it, but I did not think that she would nail it to that degree. When she does that, like, screaming and dancing. Yeah, like, yeah, yeah, she's got it. Okay, my, so I was, I was poking around sort of like a murph thing, a murph, like, angry and her dad, thing to put my F on it. That's a child,

tollo daddy, but no, not young, but older murph, but like, hello dad, you son of a bitch is

“perfect, and I wouldn't touch it. So, I think I'm have to go to those aren't mountain, they're”

fucking waves. Those aren't mountains, they're fucking waves. You know, that would be awesome. That's great one, great one. Yeah. That's no fucking moon. That feels like, okay. No one cared who I wasn't until I put on the mask, best use of Nolan verse regular, and I should say we, like, the other movies we've done, this has been a bit easier. Michael Kaine is a, is a, is a constant, but in this it's like, Michael Kaine and Hathaway, and I guess we're counting Matt Damon,

because he's, and Bill Irwin, if you want, because he's also in the Odyssey. But basically, like, if they've, before it was sort of like, they've been in multiple now, it like, they've been in at least two. So, who, what's your best use of a Nolan verse regular in this movie, then I'm still going Michael Kaine. I know, I'm still going Michael Kaine just because when you see Michael Kaine in a Nolan movie, you know, the shit is serious. Okay. It shows up and it's time to

impart some real wisdom onto the audience. It's Michael fucking Kaine. This is very important. Now, the Michael Kaine of my youth is, it's very important to me dirty rotten scoundrels. Nobody talks about this movie. This movie is fucking hysterical. Go watch the film. Okay. But like, you move on and then I trust the Michael Kaine so much that when Nolan is taking these big swings, like, Michael Kaine has offered and all of these Academy Award-winning people in a Batman movie. I'm like,

oh, Michael Kaine, what I'm doing, unless it was really serious. So when I see him in this movie, I know that there's a deeper reason for him to exist in this room. And I'm like, oh, what's the

“mission? And I think he did that for a lot of Nolan movies for me. So like, and halfway all of”

these people, his ability to ensemble, like, we don't really, we haven't really talked about it that much, but like, you know, to get Casey Affleck to come in this movie and it's basically 4/3 of 4/5 will this bitch towards the end when he's kind of doing this being at that point. But yeah, so to me, Kaine is the guy. And there's a lot of other, you know, obvious answers, but Kaine has a guy to me. I, yeah, Michael Kaine reading Dylan Thomas, though I will say, like,

does Dr. Brand know any other poem? It seems like he just knows that one. If you're going to know, it's a good one for now. Especially this one. But I mean, I think it's the surprise use of Matt Damon here. And I will just, I was just, I was just watching a Ben Affleck Matt Damon interview where Matt Damon was talking about the call he got to be in this movie, and that Chris Nolan called him was like, hey, Matt, you know, that's saying, like, there are no small parts,

only small actors. This is a really small part. But I want you to do it anyway. And I was just thinking about the way that, like, Matt Damon agrees to do this. Dr. Hugh, man, fairly, not part of any of the promo, a significant but relatively small part inside of this movie. But then gets the payoff of getting to be Odysseus, right, in the Odyssey. And I was thinking about Killian Murphy showing up to be the scarecrow for, like, two minutes, and all of these bad bad movies, and then,

and, like, and to be, like, 12th build in inception, and then getting to play a Robert Oppenheimer,

you know, has this ever been discussed on any on any ringer pot? I've never got a chance to bring this up.

shows up as the scarecrow. I'm like, yo, is he settling into character actor territory here? And then he comes back in inception. He's like, really doing the whole thing with Nolan, and then, you know, obviously picky bot blinders is a big deal for him. But then he gets Oppenheimer, and I'm like, who's all worth it? He was, he did his deal in the Nolan on the song game. He played the long game. Like, I don't know if, if anyone's ever made that point before,

but I thought that with Oppenheimer that, like, it really paid off for him being way down on the Nolan list, being a part of these big, these big productions. Um, I promise you that I have examined every Angle of Killy Murphy shirt. And it's going to come up again. Mallory Rubin, once you're, once you're best use of, well, you said Matt Damon, what am I? Yeah, my pick is Damon as well. And I just think part of it is

“the thrill of the surprise. I think part of it is that it's hard to, like, just exist inside”

of the vacuum of the film. So we have, you know, the context of him making the Martian the next year. And I love this idea of, like, just right before he's Mark Watney and the fact that he is in this harrowing circumstance of, like, complete isolation and dire straits is part of why we root for that character. And here it's like, the kind of noxious element of what we end up learning about human. I love the way that he, the way that he like latches on to Cooper when he wakes him

from his sleep and, like, presses his face into him. And that moment later, there's, like, I

hope you never know what it feels like to, like, do anything to go that long without seeing a person

and need to see a person that badly. And you're so inclined initially to be drawn to him that it is just so effective and potent when he betrays the viewer and the other character survive. It's so memorable to me. I was thinking about that. I was thinking, like, casting Casey Affleck, Matt Damon, Matthew McConeye, this, like, really, like, 90s guy, sort of casting aside of this movie, a West Bentley, et cetera. But, like, the, um, the, I would say that I was like, oh, you cast

Matt Damon, so that we're inclined to trust him and then the twist is so whatever, but, um, but I'm like, but he already played Tom, right? Yeah, so much as best I was feeling. Merge under fire. You know, like, there's people like, yeah, it's whole time back to the end. Oh, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But I agree with you. But also I was like, but why does that work on me when he's done that? So I was thinking of the same time. Because he's like, he's still such

a cool, we still think this is a cool guy, you know, he's such a weak man. We keep every time

his villain turn always works so well, because we trust this face amateur seek the son,

get eaten powers, days in the shadows, stealth MVP of this movie that not enough people talk about.

“Another ribbon. This is, I think I'm going to go with something you said at the top, Joe,”

because like, you know, we've talked on other pods about like the production design, obviously the plan is with great the ship's look. But that's not really like an underrated or understated MVP in this movie when I did almost do location scout. But I did. Yeah, I'm not about it. Yeah, it would be, I think, I mean, it's worth celebrating for sure. I'm going with the quiet, the use of quiet, because the score is so

propulsive and energetic and in general, the sound design and the deliberate sound design, whether it's very like or casual or whether it's very deliberate, something like when coupe has is on his floating journey. And then we all we hear is his rattling breath, but we're still hearing something. The moments when the sound is sucked out of the film entirely, just allow you to feel, first, second, delude yourself and trick yourself into thinking that

“you can feel for a second what it would be like to be out there. I think it's very effectively”

used in pairs. So memorably with the visuals, you have these like close-up shots of, you know, the attempt to latch on, latch the endurance and the way like the fingers are closing and we're seeing something that should be deafening and we can't hear a thing like it's, it's just great. Are you could say Dylan Thomas here? You were just talking about Dylan. This isn't maybe Dylan Thomas. It's the MVP of the movie. Bam, what's your answer? Baseball.

I'll never argue. So never tell me. So you got two different baseball scenes, right?

That's right. That. Yep. Our two different, it's supposed two different things about humanity. The first baseball scene is people watching baseball and they can't even enjoy it anymore because they're comparing the baseball to old baseball. They are trying to be the way that they were, but they can't. They have to leave the planet. Our time here is over. They can't even enjoy the thing that they used to enjoy anymore because they realized that it's not the way it really

whole thing. We are now different and they use this game that's fundamental to Americana like

“thematically to say, hey, we're not on this planet yet. We haven't figured it out. We're still trying”

to be as normal as possible, but look what happens to the ball as the ball is hit. Baseball tie those two scenes together to describe the journey of humanity from the cornfield to the centrifuge. This is a perfect, perfect answer. I love the answer. I also like, I've referenced it before, but a friend of mine years and years ago wrote this incredible review of field of dreams where he talked about the way that time passes inside of a baseball game,

which I'm sure he's not the first person ever talk about it, but the way in which like, well, it's different now because of the pitch clock, right? But like, the way and when he was speaking,

he was so much, wow, why did it go? It's never because of what, wow, okay, sports, Joe, are you

fucking kidding me, who does something come on there? Who's that meaner? Well, I wasn't swelling the bread. Well, Mallard, Mallard took me to a baseball game with a couple of years ago on Orioles and Ace game and she taught me about the pitch clock. Wow,

“but like, how time, like, baseball used to be a game that like didn't have time limits, right?”

It's just sort of like the innings can stretch or contract the way that they need to. And so like, the idea of like what, especially inside of the context of the story of field of dreams, which is a lot about time and and going back to time and all the sort of stuff like that. Okay, my answer was either going to be corn, but we already have a very versatile crop or, uh, I don't want to give it to Bilor when we already talked about it. I think it was like

physically on set operating towers and caves, like the fact that he was just like there, moving this like incredibly heavy, you know, droid puppet thing that was like 200 pounds,

and then they get to digitally erased out of the movie. So you never know. You think it's

a special effect, but no, it's just Bilor when, like, classically trained clown, like, moving this thing around the set. I just think it's incredible. And like, you know, uh, people will learn more more about this when they learn more, more about projectile Mary, but like, you know, when it comes to like putting something real in the room and a performer in the room for an actor to respond to, you know, it's just an underrated part of all of these things. Okay, you're waiting

on a tree, a tree that will take you far away. This is my favorite occurring Christopher Nolan

“category best dead wife moment. There's an easy answer, but Mallory Rubin, what do you have here?”

I got to say, I think it's probably just because we're a midway through the series, but this is

where it really just is like, there's always dead, huh? And why?

There are a couple moments, obviously, where the dead wife and dead mom is invoked. They're all great. They're all valid fix. My pick is, once again, the parent teacher confronts this one and the way that copeship goes for the chuggy, you know, one of those useless machines that used to make was called an MRI. If we had any of those left, the doctors would have been able to find the system, my wife's brain before she died instead of afterwards. And then she

would have been the one sitting here listening to this instead of me, which would have been a good thing because she was always the calmer one. Great McConaughey moment, also just, I burst out laughing. It's just very funny. This category was coming. I just laughed so hard. It is very funny. And if you're thinking about this Nolan trope in tendency, it's comical in the different way. It actually is kind of like effective also in the movie as a way to use like continue to use

personal pain to show us where society is and what that has cost. The yeah, that's my pick. Man, I just want to share with you the way, like we knew that this was like a trope inside of Christmas Nolan movies, but actually tracking it across every single movie, the way that he added both of the deadwives to the prestige that it wasn't in the book, they just like added two deadwives or the way in which like, you know, like, and Batman begins, like, of course, there's like

Martha Wayne, but there's also like, the card has a deadwife for like, no, you're Russell Gullas, a deadwife for note, like, it's just put in the, I don't know, he's just, it's his favorite thing to do. Anyway, Van Diveninson. No, it's just, it's the same one. And it's like, using, using the, because, you know, obviously there's like, you know, inception, which, like, you know, we get to see, she looks, she's lost it, she in reality or whatever, it's like, whatever, it's a whole lot. But in this one,

the whole world? And to know that he is also, there's also some gender roles there, like, he

“a man, you don't go to the parent teacher conferences, that's woman's work. So he's like, so he's playing”

on the way game already, because he wouldn't have been there, and he's only there, because you know, MRIs, then we know MRIs, because we lost all of our technology, and we need more farmers. The whole, that's, that's perfect. That's the only answer I have for that one. So good. All right. He, they won't fear it until they understand it, and they won't understand it until they've used it. Clearest, great man moment. This is something we've also been tracking across these.

No movies. I'll just say that mine is an under is, I'm just going to repeat that, that Dr. Hugh, man, there is a moment and that explosion that just feels like a real subversion of like the classic great man speech that shows up in almost every no one movie. He's about to give it, and then he just blows up in his face, and I really really love that. Van, what's your

position? I'm on unconventional here. The first time I realized poop was a bad mother,

the fuck is when he hacked the drone. Like when he, when he hacked, he hacked the drone, and then they flying a drone around. And I'm like, you know, that's the first time in a movie that I realized, you know, poop is something special. Hacks the drone, flies the drone around, sets the drone down, lutes the drone to take you for parts like he's like a little Indiana Jones himself. I knew you guys would pick other stuff. So I wanted to take that

because we were probably the top one. That's the first time I realized that Tom wasn't going to make very good decisions. When he's like, I'm just going to drive off this cliff. Yeah. Tell me not to do that. Tell him how to keep driving dad. Right. Keep going. Tell him calling Murphy dumbass with the audacity. All right. Mallorne. Okay. So obviously,

everything Cooper does, the drone, the escaping from the water planet, the besting man, ultimately

rescuing endurance, like docking to save endurance is a great one. The decisions he makes at the end of the ability to reach Murphy across time, all of it. It's all great man stuff. The entire movie

“is a great man movie. Because of that, I think that even though it is not my favorite scene in the film,”

I think that the conversation between Donald and Koop on the porch is so necessary. It's a primer for why Koop like craves these things and has this level of yearning in him. So, you know, it's a, the can't believe how many times the pair. These are covers. It's come on the first after that, right? And they're kind of in a way that you said, David, you know, man, this is where it feels better. He saw their deep breathing and Koop's lamenting, right?

He's like, it's like, we forgotten who we are Donald, explore pioneers, not caretakers. And then Donald saying, you know, the kid, like, Tom's going to be fine. You're the one who doesn't belong. Born 40 years to later 40 years to early. My daughter knew it. God bless her and your kids know it especially Murphy. And then Koop says we used to look up at the sky and wonder at our place in the stars. Now we just look down and worry about our place in the dirt. So all of that is just like,

it kind of allows you to accept that this person would do these things and behave this way and

feel like he needs to do these things. Not only first kids for the future of humanity, because he

once was a pilot and had this horrible crash, but because it is something inherent to who he is and how he thinks about what has been lost about the human experience and his ability to participate in it. So that's my pick, that porch scene. So we can some beers and talking about the stars.

“Can you, you can, I believe you, can you make beer out of corn? Because here's my question.”

Ocar's gone, MRI's are gone, but we still have. We're rarely able to help. Yeah. Greg, I don't know, can you? I'm going to have not a home brewer the list of things. I'm not, we just Riley. Riley versus some beer sometimes. I mean, weep, but also rice, I think, and surprise her to geese is right. So at their animals, they're not. They're no more animals. An animal's gone. See any dogs? I can't see any cows. I mean, obviously that cows, they would be

having a fucking stay on an animal's gone. And if there's corn, why are animals gone? You could feed corn to the animals. You shouldn't, but you could feed corn to chicken. I don't know. Why would the chickens have been gone if they would have that corn that should be eaten some chicken? I guess they ate them all because they might ever eat them all because chickens. Yeah. Pretty sad. Fuck that. I didn't see it. I can't see it. Yeah, I can't see it.

I don't see it. I can't see it. I can't see it. I can't see it. Yeah. Any of the, any of the animals lie to you and there's no more animals. All right. And by the way, that means that they can't take any animals with them. Like, in, there's, like, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's snake, but it's snake's fucked up. Like, what, like, we didn't, we didn't. How do you survive without animals in the chain? Like, also you, you've got all these human embryos, but we couldn't do

Maybe when they went to the new place, they still had maybe Dean. I don't know what, well,

“well, how it works. Maybe they arched it out in some sort of way, who knows. But remember,”

I don't do a name. We got a good, we got a new plan that the inch took her helmet off in the whole night. It looks like this couple of places are going to be, you know, fuck it that we don't, we don't get to go to Yellowstone anymore. I guess we'll make a new Yellowstone. So, like, it is, you know, it's, it's still fucking sad, but whatever. All right, he is the hero of the desert, but not the one it needs right now. Who was regrettably

missed cast and who would you place them with? Okay, I'm taking West Bendly out of this movie, I was loving respect to West Bendly as well. I'm replacing him with Killy and Murphy.

And here's what we're doing. We're making that character feel like he's a more important part of

the movie so that when he dies unexpectedly on the water plant, you're like, oh, that's Killy and Murphy, you know, because West Bendly makes no impact on this movie. He's just like kind of here, kind of handsome, you know, kind of thinking about plastic bags floating around the air, whatever the fuck he's doing, right? And then he just dies. And so, like, in that moment when like when they rescue brand, and then he goes unexpectedly with the wave, like it would have had much more

impact if that's a character we either like, like, if you had a relationship with anyone, you know, like, does not have to be romantic, but like he could have been like an old buddy of coops or like something like similar connection so that when they're like, oh, no, he died in that sort of like racial mega atoms, a game night sort of way, like it would have had some impact. So I say, put Killy and Murphy in there. And then you have that nice version of like, Killy Murphy's in

all the promo. You think Killy and Murphy's a big part of this movie that he dies anyway. And then all of a sudden, you get a surprise mad Damon instead and it's just this nice, again, a not secretable sort of like a bull sort of idea. I'm sad that like when people watch this

interstellar for the first time, now they already know that my Damon's in it, so, but anyway,

Van, what would you say? This is the category again, because you got me thinking about my whole trajectory Westmanly, I'm still, I might be the world's last American beauty defender. No, you, you and I, we remember when you selected it in the, in the mega movie dress, yeah, we love, we love to defend against my favorite love doesn't for her. See, you just did that. I won't even thinking about that. I was kidding. I was kidding. That was joke. I was kidding. I was kidding. But I

do think about Westmanly and that, and that plastic bag all the time. My primary Westmanly association now, after years and years and years of time on the Dutton Ranch is, oh, yellowstone. Oh, yellowstone.

“He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, I think a large part of story or it's around him. Yeah, he's a central figure.”

Okay, and Yellowstone. Yeah, she has very true. It's fucked up character West Benley was another one where it's like American beauty and you're like he's just gonna go and then it was like four feathers down down down Family then what was the kind of miscast and who was miscast in this movie and who would you replace him with? So I'm gonna say that KCF like was was was miscast in the movie. I don't I don't I just I don't buy the the anger and the whole night And that stuff. I don't I don't get it. I like I won't want like a little swarming your bastard to be in there

As far as who I would recast him with him trying to think

So I never I don't think I ever answer the second part of it. You can't stick

Yeah, I got I don't think what that but KCF like every time he pops up in his movie It doesn't make very much sense to me. He's just I know we you want to do the Nolan movie, but to me out of Looks like a much more of a I don't know like he he kind of throws the movie off a little bit when he's in it to me Someone you want someone who like you would more readily believe would keep his family on a farm even though they're coffin to death. Yeah, like I'm trying to think of somebody who I

“So it's almost I think Tim's in the show me it's good casting for a young one”

He was perfect but young when he was for him he was perfect for that, but like I think the they got the agent up good too because like you know But I don't know the KCF like in this movie I don't like him in very much stuff that he's in I think that he was being good in a couple of things But like yeah, I don't I didn't get him in this that in this that much. I got I think who I'd replace him with though Now you've been who are you I have two nominees kind of like one of them as a little bit of a similar

Your yours was a much better version of this show but kind of a similar like logic behind it To for grace is getty There's just no impact to this character. Yeah, it would actually be nice if I mean like your bills for like the kind of your begun the kiss and stuff And I'm like I guess there's a version of this where I've morph had a real like connection to somebody that would be Interesting, but even just the idea of like somebody in her workfield other than Dr. Brand who you know

genuine nothing character so it's more about the character than the performance, but

“Maybe they're swimming there and then I will say I don't totally get John look Gala's Donald like I don't”

I don't I don't know there. It's not like wrong or Bad it just doesn't seem like the character is like a total match for what he can bring to the role or to a role like with his energy So I don't know. I don't know who I would still want instead. Do you want someone who feels like more naturally like a farmer or Because my sense is like you know

I don't know that Donald always was a farmer

We don't know exactly like what his vibe was before. Yeah, do you want someone who's like Or you just don't think this role is enough for John let go to suit like say he actually has done so many like very serious and somber things, but I think when I see him I like want to be able to tap into the like humor and the like spark of oddity a little bit more than we do Like not as a loose

So yeah, I will say there are a number of contenders for this category, which is not all is the key Well, because I think they cast on the movie really brilliantly with them and then some of the other people They just you know, they wanted to have names look

“There's everything ricochet if you want to see evil John let's go go watch ricochet. Oh my god”

Let me tell you I just get you can be 10 seconds on ricochet that movie gave me

Or it's a movie where it's basically cape for you with

With John live go is this guy who has a grudge against this this cop that didn't know Washington plays He hires a lady of the night to come in and give Dens of Washington like It's like crazy it's crazy It's crazy evil John live go and it's best like if you're not watching decks it there's like there's like an integral like latex glove It was a movie that like made me

That movie which I watched way too young plus an episode of Captain Planet made me convince that like People were out there trying to like get you hooked on drugs or give you diseases, but that you didn't have or whatever and so we had when when Dare came to my school when I was a kid I was like so scared about that that I wrote it down on like a question on an anonymous question on a note card of like to ask them like Hey, is someone going to get me addicted to drugs

I just like injecting me with heroin or something like that and they just like very kindly did not answer that that really dumb question for me But like definitely ricochet was was an inspiration for that That movie fuck you okay And here's the dad Is he the right age would he not be oh and Harris is the dad it like and Harris make the role with a love that like make the role a little series

You know he's not gonna stand up at clap at the Oscars Just cuz everybody else is standing up and clapping Make you make the role make the role a little serious. You know, and Harris is as pops right there They're about the same age. They're about the same age. They're about the same age. Sorry suggestion. I just saw him in that He's he takes weird roles. I just saw him in dead Glenn Powell movie what the fuck guys

The fuck is happening Yeah, I have a lot of questions. I have a lot of questions about it

“And here's mostly is just one around being really proud of his wife. And I think that's really cool”

Right now Okay, no, okay, it's not who I am underneath But what I do that defines me. No one is not known for a sexual content But let's go ahead and try to excavate the hoardiest moment of this film you guys already mentioned my answer

Which is a stopping what Matt Damon clinging to Matthew McCall hey, upon arrival like imagine you think you're never gonna see him in face again

And what you see is the do-ey seasoned face of Matthew McCall hey, just exuding and all right All right, all right, all right, sort of energy and you yourself are just sort of like What in shivering in his arms he sort of like he threads his fingers through his hair It's just a video tactile moment. I just want to support it, you know For me

Oh, yeah, that's it. No, man, for me is the thought of Koop and And have the ways character turn that whole planet To be repopulated personal fuck man They got all I really time to get to work

He takes the shuttle there. Yeah, they've had the tension they've gotten over there moon lighting phase now They could do the whole things that whole plan is their personal loved in you know

But you think that's the sequel. Yeah, when Merff said brand she's out there setting up camp alone in a strange galaxy Maybe right now she's settling in for the long nap if you know anything yeah, but the light of our new son in our new home Go fucker We'll have that to the where we could have inserted a fuck quite literally go get some dead

“Yeah, great these are great. I have a third. I think”

Powerful six session to round out the field here

We've already all noted that our guy rum is left alone for 23 years and When they return he's just in a bathrobe hanging out. It's been a minute and I think there's a version of this movie that feels more authentic to what the human experience would be Where they return and he's sitting there just cranking it to some home videos because as we know

Transmissions are still coming through they were receiving and not said they how is he feeling this time if not? You know, we'd we'd get some actual canonical answers, but the head cannon indeed Just watch in some

Horn watching some home videos and jack-and-off for the better part of two and a half decades

Do you need Kate this case how to keep a melody to like In any kind of way possible. I mean it's like you know it's a very like pocus or Do they bring that sure think about it like if you I have a question about this right because people when I was watching Like if you watch project you'll marry or you watch the Martial you watch only so two of the people on the Martian They had a baby at the Is it a movie remember they had they were together, so yeah, some stuff going on and maybe not

You know, it's I don't know what the regulations are whatever that might actually be frowned upon but like

“If you're going on a thing like that do you have time for the self-fulfillment or is it just all business if you're up there?”

No, but time What I will say the okay the thing is like Christopher Nolan's movies are not horny by nature Usually right we'll get to open high my eventually, but like but In terms of like Stripping down for the long nap in the space. This is like a highly you know

We're just sort of body bags dipping ourselves into into goo water whatever We're not doing the alien stripped down into your into your undies and get into like a clear casket So he really like skipped over a potential you know stripped down to your skivies and get in get in the pods You know sort of moment to say what's the same scene in Nolan history Murphy sitting naked cross like it in on to the flush armchair like all of these directors

Then I'm thinking about I'm trying to think of the sexiest it could there's been some sexies Nolan doesn't have a Harriet Carrie and Moss spitting into The beer that she gives to guy Pierce inventory. Oh, that's a great path. That's a great. No, that's a great one. Yeah I mean and halfway as as cat will be in as quite sexy

“I think there's some sexiness, but like no, but in general Nolan's not a very sexy”

I hear the care about it All right, and I do as like a virus resilience highly contagious the line that hits artists 12-ish years later Malay with here. It's this is kind of similar to like what you were saying Joe about like the book burning or the climate change kind of of a piece with that where So I think often my pick here is just about the beauty of the the pros, but this is really more like

It's just unpleasant to think about this idea when you watch this movie right now Linkoop says this world's a treasure Donald, but it's been telling us to leave for a while now mankind was born on earth

It was never meant to die here like

The way that the planet is just melting around us and We're gonna Well, we'd be around. I don't know, but not too many generations behind us will be here for the death of this planet And as far as I don't know either otherwise, I don't know as far as I know we have an either planning or a plan B I guess plan A is the billionaires get to leave and we will stay behind Van Lathen what's your answer here

I should be we make them leave and then we okay It's it's the love and gravity bit. It's like such a profound You know man, maybe you don't need you know two people fucking in the movie if every fucking movie has Found pros in it remember when the Joker was explaining how things go to plan It's like something that we know intuitively, but the way he put it. I was like oh, he's fucking guys

He's smarter than Batman. What's happening here? You know what I mean? And then like the love and gravity thing just any human being trying to understand

Like we're middle of vision was talking about

You don't even believe that the grief is love like I was like what the fuck is going on so yeah, so like that Right there as the love being a cosmic force of the universe and not just something that we've Invented to explain our chemical connection or one another. It's just insanely profound It's it's outlasted the movie for me and in his relevance by a long ways

“Yeah, it's so good. I mean this obviously is the actual pick. I think the fact that the movie builds through kind of the”

Technical tactical rational logical discussion and like coupasta kind of concede because Amelia is like we love people who are dead Right after he runs through all of the kind of like social utilitarian reason to be drawn toward each other It's just it's really riveting and he's like he's like you're right. I do have a dead wife and I do love

It's just it's great like love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that trend since dimensions of time and space

Maybe we should trust that even if we can't understand it yet. It's frankly both very effectively I'm shading of some of the whole aspects of the movie and like beautifully Empowering Conceptually it's great. I don't mean to bring the mood down, but my answer is Professor brand talking to Amelia and one of the prerecorded things and he says then we must confront the realities of

Interstellar travel. We must venture far beyond the reach of her own life spans must think not Is individuals but as a species and that idea like I think about that all the time when I think about like You know, let's say it like let's talk about climate change. Why not when I think about like the people who are smart enough to know that climate change is real and yet Like not wanting to do anything about it is the most like well it won't impact me in my lifetime

Sort of attitude that like yeah, makes me so pessimistic about humanity, right?

“And it's just sort of like yeah, I don't think you have to have a kid to care about like the future of the human species”

You know a lot of people make that argument, but like worth three people who don't have children Like I don't think you need that you need like basic human empathy and a lot of people just don't have because of the like if it's not gonna hurt me now I don't need any will make me uncomfortable to confront it Then I'm just not gonna confront it and not change the way that I like Use fossil fuels over in the case maybe you know, so like you know, I think about that a lot and I thought about that when I see about that line

There's a major gigantic huge community right now that I was in a conversation with maybe like I know 10 years ago something like that 10 years ago, whatever It was having a conversation and climate change came up and I was like, you know 300 to 400 years from now was that there was a report on Great Britain and how climate change was impacting great Britain not a thousand years like a hundred years

200 years

We're just talking about it. It's first and went. I just don't care about two hundred years from now

I was like That fundamentally Fundamentally told me who you were and I'll care how it's how it sounds or how it comes off If you legitimately only care about your existence and you do not consider the part that you are a part of a tradition and A community of human beings and not just you niggle what about the seals what about the whales?

“What about all the stewardship that you're supposed to have if you if that's how you are”

I'm like, oh, I can't be fucking with you like that I just waited because I guess because you did you that's just too reckless and I'm enough of a piece of shit already So where I don't need the death of the fucking blu-go whales all my conscious too. I'm already doing enough fucked up shit I just really great. So I think it's lying about like Yeah, and think about yourself as individuals versus a species or to your point van beyond your own species into

Stewardess stewardship that we have for the world is That really got corn for this coming up ten years There's a there's a point Plucky young Merff a breeze coupe a like a cornbread sandwich. It's like a sandwich with like the cornbread is the bread of the sandwich Tell me this sounds so dry. That sounds so unbelievable dry

It depends on the cornbread like if if the way my mama made the cornbread is actually more like that Some of like more like sweet cake almost. Yeah, like a cake But like you wouldn't want a cake is like the bread of your sandwich and like

Cornbread is delicious but usually want to have it with like a chili or something like that

“But it's like the it's a lot. Let's get through okay”

Speaking of devastating things you think darkness is your Adopted the dog. I was born it to the voice it by it most devastating moment does anyone not have See watches It can't be I mean, it's like my internet case. Yeah, flank. I can't fucking believe It can't be anything but this

Going right to the long to watch the home video saying start at the beginning and then watching 23 years worth of updates about everything that has happened in the time that he has missed and like you guys said earlier and instant for him a huge chunk of life for the people he loves most in the world and the way that we crest from I mean the tear start right away This is like a very iconic and famous, you know, me and gift still to the stay for a reason. I'm very memorable visually

But the way we we move from Happy things happy updates time has finished school Tom has fallen in love and Cooper's crying because good things are happening to his son and he is full of joy and and possibility but also Missed that he's not there and then the despair like

You get to meet your your grandpa. You get to meet this baby Jesse and then oh my god Jesse has died and Donald has died and not only have they died, but they're buried out in the back where we would have buried you If you'd ever come back and what it's not said you fucking didn't and lowest was told me I can't I let you go I have to let you go. So this is it. You're not going to hear from me anymore on that devastation and then the cut to black and the reach toward the screen and then

Merff just suggesting here she is and She's grown and she says that it's her birthday and it's a special one because you told me you once told me that when you came back We might be the same age and today. I'm the age you were when you left and he is just Shattered Sobbing that he is miss this much of their lives and that they do and I love to when we build later toward like

“The locks for him are always used while I think in the film like when”

We're getting the update on when Amelia is getting the update on her father dying in coupiers That we also get the like the one of the twists and the a film of twists is revealed Did my father know to you know dad? I just wanted to if you left me here to die

I have to know in his face as he like has to confront the fact that she might think that for a second

I could have so good I want to thought about if I was coupe No, if I was Merff and my dad was cool. Yeah, and then I left all those videos and then he came back to see me when I was old

He would have brought somebody I should up. Okay, he'd have been like by the way June third 245 Who the fuck do you think you talking to? You talk to everybody out the room give us the room like you everybody out who the fuck you think you talk

You talking to me you talking to your dad?

I go ahead and take them last breath. So I always

My problem with this is like I struggle with this He's trying to save the world I just cut them motherfuckers some slack, man. I know it's upsetting But like you guys don't feel me at all on this. It's like I know he didn't come back and was supposed to come back But there was a giant wave

He's not Kelly Slater He did his best to try to get off the way. They don't know that. I know. They don't know like this. That's the whole thing that like The whole thing that I love about this is like when Tom talks about it in terms of like faith You know like Louis says I have to let you go

“This idea that like Morph doesn't know and Tom doesn't know and brand is talking to Murph and he's like I believe”

They're still out there. Is this like a faith thing of like you know Older professor brand dying before Morph can get the information about whether or not her father knew to to that point of like what you just said You know she's like did he know and then he dies and then she just has to like Have faith and so then it all comes back to the to the end when she's like you know because my father promised

You like that idea of finding that faith again losing the faith in your father and God if you prefer and then like finding it again All that stuff really really works for me. And I don't know like I built a grue with you fan and also just sort of like I have highly highly irrational feelings about my parents You know and it's just sort of like an especially the ones that originally when you were young So it's like yeah, yeah, this is how we are as animals. I think I think you're the way that Morph like

You know, I think we didn't call it ghost because I was afraid it's like because it seemed very human and

Like this this seems very human to me too Especially if you're young to Joe's point the idea that

“And honestly whoops has a version of this too when Amelia's like you didn't explain how to”

Right, sorry, we didn't have time to go over on side before I left because we were on the clock but also she's 10 and like in the world Like this where it is so hopeless and you have been deprived of like the capacity to pursue all of your own abilities And optimize your own potential and the thing you have around you every day is like are you gonna say well It'll be better next year right and then the one thing that you can count on is the person you love and then they're gone That you would blame them for that like even if you got to the point of being able to understand it

So in in that original script which again is not nearly as good as the finished product

So I want to give Chris and Nolan is credit, but this sequence is there and Jonathan Nolan is talked about this this was the like Seeing the whole movie is built around this idea of relativity and he was talking about how Einstein Is like when he you know so cute. He was talking about he's like Einstein Really depicted in my brother's new movie off and however, but he's like but he's like Einstein didn't really like Fuck around with the math that often he was like often talking in terms of like concepts and stories and like word problems

And so he was talking about the absolute like heartbreak and despair of Two twins like you know one set on a different timeline than the other and coming back in the different ages of these twins and what you lose inside of That sort of story that Einstein tells and so general is talking about

“The quote he uses he's like he says the thing he's scared about the most is where does the story go?”

What's gonna happen all these people you love when you're not around to see what happens to them anymore? And this idea of Going through a black hole and the closer to death you get as you go through the black hole The closer to God like powers you have that you can see through time and space and all this sort of stuff like that So this concept of like what happens to you as you die which Dr. Hugh man brings up you see your children spaces and stuff like that

But like all of this stuff is in the mix and like Jonathan Nolan coming with this idea of like what would happen if you went to space and time something time dilated and all the sudden These children that matter to you you missed it and they didn't even know they didn't have a good reason to know Like why you know they have no idea and they just think you were they were abandoned and in his version of the script Cooper's like watching these videos for days right if it's 23 years of videos like he's sitting there and you cut back

“And there's like growth of beard on his face like he's just like there for I think this is a more effective like cinematic”

You know just watching it over the span of like a few minutes But just like this this incredibly impactful Cinematic moment it can only happen inside of a sci-fi story is is the building block for the You reverse engineer the entire movie around it and it becomes a meme for a reason like it just because it It just you know, it's not just McConaughey's Cry phase. It's just sort of like what we know that that means

It's just set the stakes for the entire story. Yeah. Yeah. All right, most unforgettable Zimmer is um Mallory what do you have a lot of great candidates for this as well. I'm gonna go with two hours into the movie Man's escape attempt and blowing up the endurance and then saving the endurance. I think like Frantic beating hard and ticking clock in the score the rhythmic nature, but also the race against time That we get from the musical composition there and and you know you mentioned show the score the use of the score earlier that ticking clock element

Really primes us for the music being deployed in this way and that has amplified here And I just think it's it's really hypnotic. So that's my pick. What about you? Man, it's not the cornfield Can be oh, okay. I thought it was the cornfield. I thought we were the cornfield. This is very rousing. I loved it Quickly some just that's it's cornfield for me. Look

When they which part which cornfield right the cornfield to begin the drone the very beginning yeah the first stretch yeah I got it here's my note on this you're ready. Go for it. If the crops are dying and they're at the food Is that where you can't drive It's distracting and this followed by I'm sorry

I thought that that always kind of sweeps me away our yeah, that's a good one. I thought our um our Williams and

Zimmer the Beatles and the Stounds That's controversial because I mean all composers but like hasn't Zimmer I think this is right correct Memorogue but Zimmer is like one of those guys who like employs a bunch of musicians under him

You know what I mean that's not the case here the story of how Hans Zimmer wrote this score is like

Incredible we could talk about it a second but like isn't isn't wasn't there like a whole thing like

“You know, I think I think some other composers got sort of put their feet in the fire a bit more about this but like they employ like”

A raft of composers underneath them to sort of buoy up their work because Hans Zimmer cannot possibly have written all of this stuff just himself Do any means so it's like A bit more complicated in that but in terms of like reputationally I would say yeah Correct, correct the surface. I love it. Sorry if that was a kill joy. It's a web. Yeah, it's very upsetting How's the drag is a Gmail.com if I got that wrong and just completely past merged Hans Zimmer

This is how Hans Zimmer wrote the score to to interstellar which along with like the score to house moving castle has become this like very tick-tock like

Uh, I hear that score all the time on like tick-tocks and is the grandmereals that have nothing to do with that are stellar

It's become just like background music for a lot of of Content these days, but This is quote from Hans Zimmer. Chris said to me in his casual way so Hans if I wrote one page of something didn't tell you what it was about just give you one page Would you give me one day of work Zimmer told shown whatever you come up with on that one day would be fine and So apparently he wrote a letter about he wrote a letter to Hans Zimmer about a man having to leave

Home for a job and explain to a son why he had to go and that and so he didn't say anything about space or like Space libraries or time paradoxes or anything like that. You didn't say give me a sci-fi score He said this is the story. It's about a man leaving home and so the organ music that is played inside of this movie is like That that's the like vibe Hans

It was going off of and I just kind of love that it's like I don't know if someone if if someone comes to you and is like I want to I want to write a pantheon sci-fi movie

“I think you have like how could you possibly escape some of the like”

If you're a composer like some of the references you would want to make to other famous sci-fi scores There's like that and so the fact that he's like I'm just gonna give you this this emotional Centerpiece and you tell me what that musically says to you is how we get the like main Interstellar scene theme. I think it's a really cool story, so Yeah, Chris Nolan might not let people sit on his film sets, but he has some great ideas and he uses them sometimes

We're gonna say man. No, no, no, I didn't know what you'll find is goddamn shit it

I know I've never heard this I've done a lot

I've done a lot of work on it. It's still I've never done more Um, I don't know like I I get I fall down rabbit holes um, okay For me, I think this is the end of a beautiful friendship. That's a tenant land actor who never returned to the All-inverse, but should have who's in this movie who should have been in another Nolan movie

But never was Mallory you've got this it's Timmy it's shame me. Yeah, I feel like this is a yes This is a for now. I mean they just did you know Timmy's been doing the What's it what's it call Timothy? Give me the ball over the screenings across LA of all his films and so he's you know He was with McConaughey he was with Nolan and he like talked then and you know you can find these clips online

About how like intersellers like we all time and he loves it. He obviously worships Nolan So it seems like they were worked together again, but it's kind of surprising that it hasn't happened yet That's and he hasn't made that many movies since interseller Nolan not I think to me

“Yeah, to me it's been busy. I think equally important anecdote to come out of that”

Give me an Oscar to her was when he mentioned that Matthew McConaughey left a giant a diet giant shit in his toilet Wild stuff I know the child is not something funny. Okay, like Timmy kind of been in Dunkirk You know He's so me to me to let him be in ten and an Odyssey

Anyway, um, all right, it's not just a chest pain. Did she ever do another one with him? No that's that seems to me to be a Nolan Coded female I agree just a chest pain. I love her. It's one of my faves

She's great. Get them back together. Most of the women in these movies are dead though It's only so many spots the credit will give Chris Nolan In this in this instance is that I think I already said this but that Merff was a boy in Jonathan Nolan's treatment

So Jessica Chastate a whole living breathing woman is something Chris or Nolan added to this

Remember, you know This would have been a f*ck

“What the f*ck? Merff like this would that this movie would have been a dollar interstellar at the”

Frouse if there's no more What the f*ck? Yeah, how was that all work just all do it like yeah well and and in half way And that way but still though like that's it and the woman that don't believe that we landed on a moon That's the whole yeah That's right

That's inception. Okay, so Men just want to watch the world burn

The most Nolan thing about this movie van what's the most Nolan thing about this movie? um

To me how heavy it is Like there's not really an attempt in this movie to make this easier for people to understand and he doesn't really do that Like he he he he he he he he he he is on top of Explaining the science and the world building but only the service to apply Not to make it easy for you think about the like the big short assumed that we wouldn't understand find it

So there's a device in the movie Yeah, it has to mark a rabbit There's a device the device

“The device has a name and it's mark a rabbit what I do it if they do it a couple of times, right?”

They come back to it Selena Gomez right because but no one if he was making a big short he would not have done that He would have had deep scenes of people deep deep Deep thematic scenes of people talking about finance and Explaining it on a whiteboard of something and either been like either you got it

Or you don't move the fuck on hey, that's really the tenant this inception I hope you're staying with this Um, because I'm not slowing down the plot of slowing down anything else so that you can get it and that that to me is the most heavy thing about the film Yeah, I love Jessica Chastain and an interview was talking about how they were all talking about Kip Thorne being on set the

Scientists who came on this idea in the first place and and like sort of what he taught them or whatever

And Jessica Chastain said she tried to memorize like all of the numbers and figures that she had to like The equation that she had to write out the chalkboard. She was trying to memorize it so that it would look like natural as she did it or whatever Yeah, and she was like this is so hard. This is impossible. I could anyone do it and Kip Thorne was like That actually should be like 20 chalkboards and she's like okay. I'll be grateful instead

“Mallory with your it's your just I think yeah, as we've discussed across every one of these pods pretty much so far”

Just his obsession with time specifically Inside of the headiness and and inside of the Idea of great pursuits and a quest, you know the way that he thinks about time and the passage of time and how you experience time relative to other people in a distinct way. I mean so we talked a lot about that on the Dunkirk pod And obviously it's telling about that on the inception pod

You know, what does that do to you have as an influence your choices and and how you think about your place in the world it's such like one of It is one of Nolan's core tenants Can't wait to talk about this on a good to tenid, but like it's so funny because I also have an inception and Dunkirk written down here for my answer Which is when we're cutting and it has to do with time when we're cutting between like the man and Cooper fight

And then we're cutting back to mrf having to like figure something out That cut back and forth between like two very urgent if this is if she doesn't figure this out And if like Casey Affleck isn't distracted by fire long enough for her to figure it out or whatever the case may be And if Cooper can't miraculously find that a commutator a couple feet away from where he landed on side of this planet Like none of this works, and so the tension is high on both of these things

They're both operating on different timelines, right because yeah, cuz mrfs whole thing of like I need to figure it out Is happening in the case that span of like an hour maybe something like that like a couple hours maybe where I was like Everything with man and coupe and then it continues into like the docking and the explosion and all that sort of stuff like that that back and forth of like figure it out Figure it out into the test or act in space so like like with Dunkirk or with inception We're watching these like high stakes

We're watching Joseph Gordon levitt have a gravity zero gravity fight in a hallway while we're watching the vanfall while we're watching this thing happen We're done Kirk we're watching like Tom Hardy, you know, try to land the plane while this boat is trying to take off in different timelines over different tempos of time But the stakes are high. I'm both and we're cutting back and forth and there's just something so

To van's point like he's just gonna trust that you're gonna hang with him while he executes this and it's so and I will like I don't think I would have appreciated the nature of that if we hadn't done inception and done Kirk and I was just thinking about like this is a classic no one in kind of a cross time in different timelines

Sort of set piece so yeah It's a hardy have a place in this movie

The answer's always yes, I mean we have to speak up half the CR

Tom Hardy is the poor deceased wolf Edmonds We got this It's a really really really really bushy beard so you can't see part of his pinky blinder spirit Yeah, really bushy beard Tom Hardy is the guy that's him Think about it. All right. That's we got we did it

I'm talking about it right now We should find a place for Tom Hardy in every single no one movie because I don't think that no one has made a movie yet That Tom Hardy cannot have been quite a great yeah

I don't know if there's a non-Tom Hardy situation last night least our greatest accomplishments cannot be behind us

“What aspect of no one's upcoming the Odyssey or you think he about slash most type for this month right now?”

Van Lathen what are you most excited for when it comes to the Odyssey? Well Really it's it's kind of boring Um, that's okay. I want to no one both no one does Uh, I kind of put this so no Nolan does Batman and they shit that Batman is doing in the movie

You can't do it real life. Okay. You can't do it. Right. This is Batman. It is fucking Batman by the way So people know it's like this could happen next week. It can't happen. This fucking Batman. Okay. It's Batman however He has a way of making that story dramatically

Accessible he has a way of making Batman feel like Batman. I can't really I don't know how to explain it Yeah, he brought Batman to us. We don't really have to go to Batman. You know, it's Tim Burton's take on Batman is in this this gothic painting come to life and all that stuff or Joel Schumacher They had two completely different takes on Batman. We normally have to go to Batman. Nolan brings Batman to you I'm interested to see

Somebody bring the Odyssey to us. It is in many ways The the the the formative work of western mythology in a lot of ways, but it is fantastical There are yeah, but for it there are elements of the film that stretch your imagination and that stuff is sometimes hard to

“Bring to an audience you have to make the audience walk to go find it you have to make them”

But Nolan doesn't do that. So what I'm interested to see is how the tension, how his style, how his approach to practicality and movies, how he's able to bring that story which is, you know, very formative but also not accessible wouldn't be traditionally accessible to me in a Nolan way How he makes it that I'm I'm interested in feeling the like the like an attack towel way The scene the viscosity of the Odyssey like all running over the screen. I'm interested to see how he does that

I love it. I'm so excited not like everyone you have it's what we talked about at the beginning I'm trying to get home to your family after a great trial. These are like the core animating principles behind both of these stories and if we want to add something else to them makes I would just say water stuff go. There was a there was a rumor going around that Tom Hardy was on this movie um obviously I don't I don't know if Chris Ryan will be the same

Yeah it would be tough. Since we since we last recorded since we did Dunkirk we've just got

“much more information about the cast and who they're playing and stuff like that so I think I'm”

just exciting about excited about to know who all the characters are and I'm most I mentioned you're like us already but how much Patel who I'm like who I love is in this movie in it like we'll see how it all shakes out and what we have time for but like in a non like insignificant role I just didn't know like how big his role was going to be I still don't

but like the first look images of him look great and I'm really excited that he's here so

you know a 10-in-alum station 11 he's our guy I'm really excited for him and uh excited for the Odyssey man well you go watch the Odyssey with us can we all watch it together Yes I think that we should all go see it together we have a great time when we go to the movies together I would like to see this I am nervous I don't know why I'm nervous this is a big one this is a big movie that's nervous I know

nervous guys I'm not nervous about the the quality of the movie I just said it's very low chances of the movie doesn't hit but like I don't know there's so much talk around this one

that's interesting you mean we're a precarious time in the industry or the industry itself yeah

like the world it's like you know the world we live in is what it is the movie theaters my sanctuary but like just the Odyssey I don't know just the whole thing I'm I'm gonna be hanging on

“every word and every scene in the movie it's a big one I think so I remember when Dunkirk”

came out and I was like I was skeptical that Dunkirk would do well and then it like did so well

and then and then of course the Oppenheimer was like an absolute jargon art so now I almost feel like Nolan is like too big to fail do you know what I mean like I just don't I don't think

“that a flop is possible but you know well I don't know if that's what you're talking about”

no no it's not exactly a flop is possible but I just like how I this take with this this is a

how about this I actually feel like this is a bigger swing than people think that it is this is a fucking gigantic I agree I think this is a bigger swing it's in such capable hands that no one is really discussing it but this is a gigantic gigantic swing yeah but wasn't Oppenheimer you know like who thought that that many people would go see Oppenheimer and that's like the whole Barbonheimer like Phenomenon but like still like Oppenheimer there's like if you heard about

anyone else making Oppenheimer you wouldn't be like that's gonna be a massive hit you know what I mean

“like it's just I think people are just ready for whatever Chris for Nolan I'm excited I'm excited”

but I hear nerves I hear it um anything else so we should say we did it had a blast yeah thanks to Joey yeah great I don't since we're not there I don't know everyone who's in the studio helping today who can be as soon as who's who's helping what do you think Molly do we know uh I'm sure that well we know for sure that Carlos and our junar are there right the joe me is on the social yes uh I don't know who else is in the studio because I'm not there I think I might have heard

did we hear Chris Waller's voice perhaps a CT there Chris CT Jack Kevin everybody here at sick of there we go there we go changing the world over here let's see you soon bye