‘The Martian’ Revisited, With Amanda Dobbins

I'm Joanna Robinson, that's Mallory Ribbon,

“and joining us today, it's Amanda Dombin!”

- Whoo! - I'm so honored to be here. - Dombin, the house. - I'm so honored to be here. - I'm so honored to be here.

- I'm so honored to be here. - Dombin, the house, we're so thrilled that you're here. I can't even tell you, um, we are, we've been watching "Budgespace" Movies, and I am to project Hail Mary.

All three of us have seen "Project Hail Mary." We're not gonna talk about it in detail yet, of course, we'll talk about it on our perspective shows on the time, comes, but we'll watch the Martian. - That's right.

- Sure did. - And is this conversation gonna get a little weird about the Martian? Guess what? It is, but we have Amanda here and we're thrilled,

and we're excited for things to get weird. Are you excited? - I'm incredibly excited. I also, I feel like it's my responsibility to make things as weird as possible.

So I did, I watched the Martian. - I've seen "Project Hail Mary." I've got a lot of thoughts about space movies, my relationship to space movies. - Fastest.

- Fastest.

“But if you don't think that I'm gonna just try”

to drive this off the rails, every chance. - I just, not my job. - We support that endeavor and the show today, for the Martian. But I do think we should be honest with ourselves

and with the bad babies. At the top of a Martian rewatch pod, if we all say out loud into the microphones, we're gonna make things as weird as possible. People are going to expect to see us farming

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- But we're in a rhythm. God damn it. Let's go now in a brisk fashion to our opening snapshot. (upbeat music) All right, so some quick fun facts about the Martian case

folks, don't remember. Directed by Ridley Scott, ever heard of him, scream blame by Drew Goddard, based on the self-published book by Andy Weir, USY wide release October 2nd, right before my birthday,

2015. - Mm. - And your birthday. - I am a Librar. - It's like my younger son.

- Does that? - Oh, that's really well. - Yeah. - Other examples of Librar's in my life were like less auspicious.

So this is where you're shy of being a Librar. - Yeah, honestly. - Do you think of the first week in October, primarily as your birthday week or your ringer anniversary week?

Which feels more notable in your life? - Oh, my ringer anniversary week, of course. Let me say it into the microphone proudly. - To me, it's a very memorable date. I think I'm at it all the time.

The budget for this movie was a mere $108 million.

The box office was $630.6 million.

“And that's just astounding to be sitting here in 2020.”

- Is that domestic or international? - That's domestic. - What? - What is the global box office? - Let's just, let's just fact check me.

- I showed up to cause chaos and I did not show up. - To me that did you receive a fact check? - One is a great question. - Domestic, 220 million international. - That's 420 million, that does make sense.

- That makes way more sense. - This is when Hollywood movie still made money in China and it's also why China is just happily going along with everything in this preposterous. - Oh, yes, yes.

- A fictional film. - We love to collaborate. - And I love deeply. But no matter what it is wild to me, we talked about this with interstellar as well,

these original sci-fi, even though it's the basement book,

but an original sci-fi property,

making that much money. Even like, you know, a big name with Matt Damon attached. Like that, it still feels like a different time. - It was an event. I remember people talking about it,

like did you see the market go? - Yeah. - You got to see it on a big screen, bring your friends, et cetera. And it's one year after interstellar, right? Which was notable for Matt Damon,

for Jessica Chessdain and a big space run, but also for fans of sci-fi at scale. - Right, you know, and space movies at scale, to be able to have these events cinematic experiences a couple years in a row.

And we're talking like this is, I mean, 2014 and then 2015 for the Martian, like, people read the movies a lot for the MCU, et cetera, like this was a big go see movies with your friends and if you're nerd,

what a time to be a nerd, I know. We were living, man. - Also like a huge hit at the Oscars, which we'll talk about, like this is just like a unqualified hit of a movie.

And I have some theories as to why,

“not just like the fact that I think it's good,”

I have some big potato. - Yeah, big potato. - I don't know. - I don't know. - The potato lobbyists, yeah. - Idaho was behind it.

- You know, they sponsor a college football bowl game, so like they're out there. - Potatoes? - Potato bowl. - Yeah, cracks. - Yeah, but it's like everyone's sponsor is a bowl game.

- Like Pop-Tar Ball. - Right, but what was a potato? - Potato bowl formerly known as. - I believe it was the Idaho potato game. - Good, okay, so they've got a potato.

- But it's like the right Idaho table and potato is just like potato. - Just the potato industry of potato. - Big potato! - Big potato. - The potato lobby sponsor is a bowl.

- Like you're telling me. - I'm, that's yeah. - And it's working, guys. - 'Cause here we are, we're talking about the house of art. - We're so excited.

- All right, okay, listen. Why are we doing space months? We cover this a little bit, but I'm curious for you, Amanda. You said you told us,

you have a lot of thoughts about space movies and this is a general, what are your thoughts? - Well, so it's interesting to hear you guys talk about in the lineage of sci-fi movies, which it obviously is, and also to bring up interstellar,

which, just gonna get it out of the way. I'm not an interstellar person, okay? - Love the work of Christopher Nolan, love inception. Like I just, I know that interstellar is important to a younger community than myself.

'Cause once again, I'm 41 on YouTube, but I just didn't click with it. And I have been thinking thus about the sci-fi or the space movies that I do click with, and the ones that I don't.

“And I think part of the reason that this works for me”

and also that I would say one of the reasons that had such a sensational box office, is that it is kind of crossover sci-fi? - Yeah, for sure. - And to put it in the future near future,

but that doesn't, this could be just science of now, right? Or to put it in another way, it's pretty earth-centric. Like it is set on Mars, but it's about getting back to earth. - Sure, sure. - A lot of custom.

- A lot of custom. - Exactly, yeah, sure, by the way, that is not Pasadena, wherever they filmed the Jet Propulsion Lab is somewhere with that experiences for seasons, but that's okay.

- Oh, interesting. - Oh, there. - So, the JPL looks lovely. I see a lot of people with license plates for it, just around my neck of the woods,

but they seem lovely. So, it's focused on getting back to earth. You spend a lot of time on earth. It is about another planet, but it's really about recreating earth conditions

on another planet. - True. - And there's not really a question of aliens or other galaxies or other things out there. So, I mean, an alien one say this is very earth-centric.

I mean, an alien would say that alien is also a very earth-centric term, but I realized that the space movies I love, and let me just get, like, I am Apollo 13's number one, man. I think that I have seen Apollo 13 more than any other living human besides run, Howard, and his editor.

- You'll be thrilled to know that Chris Ryan drafted.

- I know a second round of the story.

- Chris and I, but he took in her cellar second overall. So, he won you and then he lost you. Or he lost you and then he won you, but that's cowardly. Because I know that he loves Apollo 13 more

and then her stellar was just playing to the use. - I just saw a camera that he would use and take alien at number two overall. - This was crazy.

- This was crazy. - And this was crazy.

- What do you think the first movie draft it was?

- In the space movie draft. - In the space movie draft. - Well, was Star Wars eligible or was Star Wars? - It was. - Sure was, and I got Empire in the second fucking round, baby.

- Okay, what? - Okay, so was Star Wars, it's a new hope, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. - I know that. - That was taken at the end of the first round. - Rob took in.

- Okay, it's pretty good. - Joe had the first pick. - I had the first pick. - Oh, interesting.

“- Did you take the Martian? - Nope, did you take it very end actually?”

- You didn't do 2001, did you? - Yeah, I did. - Wow, okay. - I thought it was a great pick. - We'll see, yeah, but I would say 2001 is more towards,

like, high sci-fi. High, well, space movies was just sort of encompassing. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - But all of that. - Yeah, so when I'm trying to delineate,

- Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, And this is probably the least earth-centric but the most recent favorite space movie of mine

is Arrival. It's my favorite to leave a little move. And I mean that has aliens in it, they're beautiful aliens, but they come to Earth. Yeah. And also the drama and the emotion of that movie is very, is about humans, still and humanity.

The other thing that those three movies have in common and I really struck home for me when I was watching the Martian. The thing that I really respond to in all of these is that they are movie-setting space. There's a lot of science. There are there are questions of the galaxy and it exists in all this stuff.

But they're basically procedures and how them dissolve.

Yes. And they are films about competence and teamwork and problem-solving and a series of problem-solving. Jessica Chastin says somewhere during the climactic spacewalk thing, let's work the problem. Yes.

And that is what everyone's doing. And I've worked the problem by blowing up our own ship. Oh, sure. But you are just watching very confident people. And very high stakes just try to solve our mindset of problems.

And I find that that's kind of my favorite type of popcorn cinema.

“Watching the various space movies that we've been watching, you know, I think that's true”

to a certain degree, I mean, to a whole degree of intersellers, well, but like watching these movies, watching these, the way these movies celebrate science and intelligence and also emotional teamwork and stuff like that. To prize intelligence and a speciality, you know, in a culture that feels increasingly like anti-intellectual, I just really love that this is just a triumphant celebration of

we're trying to make the science comprehensible to you at home. This is Andy Weir's job and that it is Drew Gauder's job to make it even more digestible in both the Martian and Projectile Mary. We don't need to feel lost. We don't want to feel you to feel left out, but we want to acknowledge that the people

that we are celebrating here are people who have worked very hard to know a lot about certain things. When Mark Watt and he's like, I'm going to sign a shit out of this, you know, you get to feel like you're free. Yeah.

You get so excited about that. How does watching the Martian, I know we already know that your hype for Projectile Mary is off the charts and has been forever, but how did watching the Martian sort of

“impact your feelings about Projectile Mary?”

I, so my experience with Andy Weir's work is that the Martian film in 2015 was my first

exposure to it. Not read the Martian at that point. The first Andy Weir book I read was Projectile Mary when it came out. And I thought it was wonderful and I continue to think that it is just an excellent book that I really love.

Can I read the Martian after them? Can I ask some questions? Yes. As a person who's interested in books and loves both these movies but has not, I meant to DM you in response to, this is a sidebar, but to some of your recent book post.

Yes. We read the correspondent. No, and you know what? That was the most recommended book. I just, I read it and like, I could not put it down.

Did you cry? Wept like a fucking book. This is the big. So if, but it's quite sad, it's very, it's very hopeful. For everyone at home I tried out the Instagram, like, ask a question thing for the first

time with book recommendations because we talk a lot about books on jam sessions, on jam session. I do still read novels, like reading novels. And it was really fun and I had tons and tons of replies that two most recommended were the correspondent by Virginia Evans and Heart the Lover by Lily King, okay.

"Griders and Lovers."

And wept so much that it was like, it was a problem situation.

It wasn't like the end of a tonement. Weeping.

“Like, it was like, do we need to further investigate what's going on here?”

Yeah, well, the correspondent will bring that extra. And so I'm not looking for that right now, personally. So I, those were very, I'm going to follow up with you. I have a book club with my college pals about this book on Saturday. Three of the five members of that group are parents.

I'm curious to see if they're, like, this was actually unbearable. Okay. Or if they're, like, this was a beautiful, moving experience. But so I just wanted to ask if you can characterize the endie we were books in a little bit of, I'm imagining them is sort of like in the Michael Creighton tradition.

Yeah, I would say they're like, like, Creighton. Okay, the science is even more dense than no question than what Creighton does.

But his narrators are so much funnier than Michael Creightons in Michael Creighton's books.

And so you're getting fed, and I am not a math and science person. You're getting fed a lot of math and science info. But like, from, I mean, I listen to audio. Can you just kind of like skip over it and then read the last slide? And where they summarize it?

“Kind of, but also, like, honestly, it's just delivered in a way that is, like,”

peppered with, like, self-deprecation or all these sort of things that just make it much easier to get through. Versus, like, some like, three-body problem, which I really struggled with because of all of the dense math and science that I was just like, I'm not interested. Yeah.

I think I, so a couple of my friends, I think found Projectile Mary at the top end of their tolerance for, like, do you need a, like, a physics degree? Okay. But I would say that for most people, it is, like, very approachable and accessible and digestible.

The films undoubtedly, and I think this is one of the ways in which Drew got it is. The perfect screenwriter for Andy Wears Tax because the heart and humanity and the humor

on the charm that are so essential to not only the overall kind of, like, tone of the

weird text, but his leading characters in particular, these, like, wise crack and comedians who happened to also be hot geniuses, signed me up. Yeah. That is the lead. No problems here.

There. Andy Wears, like, computer scientist, computer programmer, like, he's a math science guy who is also a writer. And so he's knowledge of the science that he is putting into this.

“And I think also, who's just deep in about passion and interest in it, really, if you”

was a lot of the, well, he also tells him the story. He also crowdsource a lot of the science for the Martian. Yes. He leads a little bit to the research. Because this is, like, a self-published, so he, like, put it up and he, like, asked

you know what to like. So you said that? Yeah. I mean, it was, eventually picked up, but, like, you know, that he put it up in chapters and had people, like, give him feedback and, and, so I love that he just, like, mind the

larger scientific community. Let me ask one more question. Is the science block quoted or written through? No. So much like, the structure of this film is largely oriented around, like, Mark Watney's

logs, which is very clever, of course, as a way, it's more, I mean, it works in the book quite well, but especially in the movie, like, yeah, how are we going to know what's going on in this kind of mind if he's just a loan format. Yeah. Yeah.

So a lot of it is going to be presented in that kind of fashion. Oh, it's like a trail. Is it a transcript of the logs or the written thread? He's, are we experimenting with formatted? There's what I'm trying to say.

There's a formal variance in the Martian for sure. I would say there's also more, without spelling anything about the movie, a little bit more formal and structural variance in Projectile Mary, the text, then, is in the film in terms of, like, what you are learning and when and how. But because of the, I think, very deft and smart choices in Andy, where has made about

how to structure his narratives, the characters who could just be, like, a science thing. I'm also not a scientist. It's just her mathematician, not sure if that's clear right now, I just said science thing. But it's not just, like, a list of, like, lines of code when there are sections about code, it's very much like, this is the explanation for how I need to embark on this

structure the journey. And so something like the logs and this movie, the conceit behind it that Mark is leaving this chronicle to be discovered about his time here. He's talking in a way that he would have no reason to talk by himself or think even frankly inside of his own mind, that's not how, like, an internal monologue works.

But it is presented to us, though, he's part of a conversation that will be then very accessible to us. Obviously, Projectile Mary is quite different because of a certain tweak inside of that story. But I think that, like, Joe, you already mentioned the quote, but, you know, I'm going to have to science the, the shit out of this, is I think the mission statement that drives

Andy Wears work, right? Like, that task oriented nature of, we have a problem to solve and it is a, it is a pressing one. And one of the things that I love to your question about just, like, how do we find the Martian now that we're in the Projectile Mary moment?

They are, they have a lot of shared strands of DNA, but I think they are actually inversions

I should say. I love Andy Wears. So I feel like a, a kid saying this, I've not read artists.

He's a third book, which I've not read and I would like to check out my nephew read it.

And then when I told him what Andy Wears said about how he relates to the Artemis, my nephew had a lot of thoughts about it, which I'll share with you. Interesting, I believe. I mean, Andy Wears, like, people will hear him say this on our interview with him. I've heard him say this for his very self-deprecating about the, like, Andy Wears

other book. So I don't, I can't comment on, like, how much this, that third point on the textual

“triangle impacts the statement, but the Martian is very much the entire world, right?”

Inside of NASA, the crew on the Hermes, other nations, as you already alluded to, the entire world, we're gathering in Times Square, we're not your followers, where every single person alive cares about one man. Projects of Mary is the opposite of that. Now there is a global circumstance, right, that the film audience around, but it is very

much, one person has to figure out how to save the world. So I think that's fascinating because to me, they're both really interesting stories, but projects, how Mary unlocked a different degree of impact. I don't know how much of it has to do with that shift in what's the calculus of who cares about whom, and who's trying to save whom, and how much of it is simply that Rocky is,

I think, one of the great creations of the history of fiction and given how they've marketed the movie and trailers, I don't mind saying that before. And we just try to hide it, but now the Rocky's just out there, sir. I go say, he's everywhere. I ordered that, like, a set, by the way, don't send it to my house.

I guess we've already, we've already, so like the plan here today, how many pieces do you think it takes to make Rocky? 85? He's pretty small. He's like a tiny little.

That doesn't matter. Do you understand? I didn't listen to the discussion you guys have heard about the Lego pieces that were given to Knox being a, the manager of risk for size.

“The Mandalorian is one and a half inches tall, and what's his stick called?”

Did you talk about the dark saber? I don't know, Mallory. Did you get a Lego with the dark saber? That's awesome. Sure, that's the dark saber.

It's the dark saber. It's the dark saber. I mean, either way. I like having either of those fucking awesome. I can't believe it.

It's an inch and a half, and then the stick that goes with it is in multiple pieces. I mean, that's my shot. That's my Lego child. It's four years old. What are we doing here?

I sounds like you're having a great time building a Lego set. The pieces were learning before we got them out of the box. Okay. Here's the deal. This is going to be a chaotic podcast.

And we know that. Yeah. And it's built into the design of what we're doing here today. We've already sort of bled into some of our questions, but it doesn't matter. We're allegedly asking 21 questions that have something to do with the Martian and

then don't. Okay. And that's what we're doing here today. Tier one, we're calling a mostly responsible discussion. That is what we're calling Tier one.

“And we're starting with, how do we find this baby in 2015 versus how do we find it now?”

And so I will just start and say, I watched Projectile Marital, we got to go see an advance screening, Projectile Marital, I watched it, then I watched the Martia, and I have since seen Projectile Marital again, and then I watched the Martian again. So that's been my sort of ping-ponging back and forth. And when I rewatched the Martian, having loved it in 2015, I still really like it.

But I think Projectile Marital is an even better version of a similar story, and so it's slightly dims in comparison. And I also think that there were some things going on in 2015, not just like who we are as people and how we felt, but also like thinking about, there was something about like being a Ridley Scott fan and having to live through an era of Ridley Scott where you have

Robin Hood, Prometheus, the counselor, Exodus, Gods, and Kings, and you're like, we'll

make it for me through an amazing role in Counselor.

I like Prometheus. I like Prometheus. Counselor, at least sometimes you gotta have fun, okay. Right? Sometimes you gotta show up to work and you gotta say why not?

What you can't do is defend Exodus gods and can't. No, absolutely not. And so there were some of us out there in the world where we were wondering, will Ridley Scott ever make a tremendously gray film again? And then he made the Martian, and it ruled.

And similarly like Matt Damon wasn't in like a huge career slump, but it wasn't like, you know, we had some adjustment bureau, we had some we bought a zoo. Yeah, out of judgment bureau is the hats. Yes, the counselor is that that's one Cameron deus fucks the car. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. That's a great time. Damon absolutely crushed him behind the camera, I should say absolutely love that from him, but then Alicia him happened the monuments meant happened interstellar shows that it's not his fault.

Everyone aggressively fine. It's not even aggressively fine. It's quite bad. And also I'm blaming him for all of this. I'm just saying we what we saw a bunch of demon things.

The monuments man I would like to do over basically with someone for besides George Clinton because that is that premise and even that cast.

He does interstellar shows pops up surprise interstellar and VP or delighted not MVP, but that's true.

The movie is my favorite. And I just the Martian were like, well, shit. Yeah, it's Matt David movie star. It's really Scott incredible director. It's like a fun fine time at the movies and then he does Jason board don't worry about it. But like I think we were all just really excited to have a movie that felt like a huge movie from two people who had had some walks and downs. Let's say generously of late in their career and that's part of I think what drove the excitement. It's also just like a very fun enjoyable movie. Yeah. Project Hell Mary without getting into details just like pierces deeper into emotions.

I think I think I think Ryan Gosling is like a comedian is a better fit than my Damon and all the sort of stuff like that. So like it pales a bit in comparison.

But of course the Martian is still I just didn't love it as much as I remembered that I loved it and that makes sense. What did you think?

“Yeah. I think I agree. I have only seen Project Hell Mary the ones and so I and I've seen the Martian more recently, but I remember seeing it in theaters.”

Yeah. And being completely delighted. Not just because of what you said of really Scott back and for Matt Damon back and for him, but even in 2015 movie wise we were I mean we were heavy and marvel and we were heavy in franchise and IP land. Yeah. So this not original, but like this classical Hollywood structure of book turned into movie starring movie star made by veteran director. Like big template big production brings everyone in and it and it was kind of like the four quadrants, sorry to use an industry term, but everybody like everybody went and likes this movie.

Yeah, you know, my sister-in-law was telling me last night that the first time she met the love of Ruthie Ruthies and town shout out Ruthie Baron shout out Ruthie. I fucking will.

Ruthie Baron said that the first time she met my dad was in 2015 knocks big knocks as he's known now and this is Mallory favorite game. I can be in all these people. I mentioned you have a sister. I have a sister. Yeah, there you go. But Ruthie, my sister-in-law recommended the Martian to my dad at that meeting and then my dad emailed like he said emailed me the next time he was like. Tell Ruthie, the Martian, exclamation point. Amazing exclamation point. You know, and so this could bring perspective. Yeah, remember it's together. It, you know, it bridges everyone and that felt like such a release and that is something that we get less and less of for a number of Hollywood reasons.

So I loved it. I remember watching it. I had some casting notes at the moment at the time after seeing it still do. They hold. Yeah, and I did also, you know, you watch it at home. And so the runtime has like flashes up and I, 223 minutes.

“And I was like, weirdly now. And it does lag a little. And I think that I, it doesn't, like, it does it because there are so many exciting set pieces and I was stressed throughout the rewatch, but I also felt the bagginess a little bit.”

And I think it felt lean because we had just watched interstellar, which is hours and 49 minutes. I did watch the extended two and a half hour version. I mean, I think this is the length for space movies kind of like some of them are shorter, but a lot of space movies are going to be two and a half hours, you know, they're long. So now that my beloved Apollo 13 is an hour and 40 minutes. Well, different era. Maybe something different. I don't know. I'm sorry, 140 minutes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so listen, I guess I just felt the bagginess and then I agree with you that I remembered Matt Damon being funnier.

And I think this is a funny format, Damon performance, but then we've since seen him do like with with them, respects apologies like his marble cameos, which are like even a different, no, they're really funny. Like, I think comic Matt Damon, even though, again, in behind the candle lover, he was doing a lot and it was quite fun, but like,

“Damon was not something we were like super used to and then he did this, but I think he's since done even funnier things, you know, tone of humor that I remember differently. So some of it was funny, I found myself more affected by his emotional.”

Yeah, yeah, the capital A acting that Matt Damon does, and just the holding the screen. Yeah, yeah, now how did you feel, 2015 compared to now? Yeah, I remember really loving this movie when I saw it. And I think like to the daemon point, but also kind of the, this is a movie for everyone point and like people were buzzing and people were going to the movies. Something that I remember quite vividly that I think is a lasting aspect of the film, but is different once you've seen it to two parts of this one.

And I think that there was a like a narrow animating narrative aspect of discussing the film for completely valid and justified reasons as this like not only really excellent performance where he is alone on Mars farming potatoes and his own shit. Oh my god, this, this idea to use the video log so that he has a reason to talk, right? This is like, I remember people discussing this as such a creative way to present a story to us and a vehicle that for him to kind of do all these interesting things and really carry the film in a solitary fashion.

This is actually a fucking gigantic ensemble cast. I would say there are way too many people in the movie. I also feel that way about the book when you get to the NASA stretches and it's like, who are you cutting? You can get one person fast. Kristen wig out. But yeah, I mean I understand the reason that the character like comms can serve as cast. The humor does not translate. I really agree. Just asked her in the moment disaster now. It's nobody's fault. Kristen wig is very, very, very funny, but I think also that casting is indicative of like why I bump on the humor in this movie a little bit.

I'm like, if you don't get the tone quite right or you're playing it slightly differently, it doesn't. Yeah, you want, yeah, yeah. And so there's like, I mean we have a lot of, I am the boss, but of this department, like we've got Vincent. We have Mitch, I would argue with love to Sean Beam who's one of my favorites that he is quite.

“This guest has mentioned, I think it's very odd, though obviously wonderful to get the more therring stress. I don't like that, man. Too much towing. I just think you like takes you out.”

We are no Sean Beam with the more the ratio. I had the Hermes crew. Oh, you know what I'm saying? It was all right to me. Yeah, and once they started doing like the, I mean, the acknowledge it in the movie, but it was Sean Beam in the word of their former who's that he was a guy.

- This is a die, it's the first time.

- Oh, a man of God, no God. - A man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a

- A man of God or a man of God or a man of God or a man of God? - I just love one of the members of the original people. - Yeah, the three people. - Yeah, the three people. - Yeah, the ends. - Okay. - Just learned about the end.

- Well, I just didn't learn the right. - I would like to be right next to you. - I would like to be right next to you. - I would like to be right next to you. - I would like to be right next to you. - I would like to be right next to you. - I would like to be right next to you.

- So we please write past that would be the same course. - So I would like to be like, oh, I'm sorry.

“- So I think that animated a lot of the interest”

and then excitement and appreciation and real time. What's you kind of know how often the movie is going back to either of the Hermes, though frankly I wish we got like maybe a touch more time on the Hermes with that crew than we get because I'm kind of like, so Basha's shit, Stan has four lines in this movie and what the fuck? - I can do it with a touchless NASA bureaucracy, but that is what it is. I think the other thing is that there's just a lot of effective tension and anxiety when you're watching the movie for the first time.

- We'll be okay. - We'll be okay.

- Look at that. - Yeah. - And it's like a really incredible experience.

- The rewatchability of this movie. - When you know, then it is much more about. I don't think when you watch it the first time, you feel the length at all because every minute is a minute of agony. - It's another sort of thing. - I think you're right about that. - And again, even in rewatch, I found the various setbuses incredibly stressful. - Yeah. - I think that you do know the whole time that he's going to be okay.

because you're watching a movie, it's like still mad. - The girl in what will be meant. - The girl in what will be meant. - The girl in what will be meant. - The girl in what will be meant.

“- I mean, I, you know, I honestly think when you're watching.”

- Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me,

- Me, me house girl to what he get on the, on the potato diet, you know, anything.

- Well, we're gonna get to that. - We're gonna get to that. - We got to see a stunt push though. - Yeah, we did. - Like, I don't think it's not, I don't think it's unrewatchable. I just don't think it's a movie that people are gonna be like,

let's put the Martian on. - Yeah. - You know, I find, I'll be cool solving problems to be so soothing. There's something very comforting about this movie in the nine, like, you know, sand dust or moments.

- Yeah, just watching people be like, okay, let's work the problem. Let's do this. - Yeah. - I like to know that everything's gonna be okay. - I talk of resolution.

- How about some dragons and demon.com if the Martian is like, he's rewatchable in your house. I'm just curious about that, if that, like, 'cause it's a movie that I think everyone has, like, fond feelings for.

- Yes, there's a movie that she's like reach for, do you, and I mean. - All right, how does this help us prepare for Projectile Mary? I don't think it, obviously, not required viewing to enjoy Projectile Mary. I think, too, a lot of the points that Mallory has brought up

about the way in which they solve an internal monologue problem in this movie is also used in Projectile Mary. I think getting that, I, I just think it helps me appreciate Projectile Mary even more, because I think those, like, weird little fumbles in tone,

with, like, your Christian wigs or your micropanias or, you know, here and there, is, to me, it does not present as a problem in Projectile Mary.

It was really interesting to rewatch it

after having seen Projectile Mary. 'Cause as I said, I haven't read the Andy Weir books, yeah. And I was like, oh, I see, I understand the tone of both now a little more, this is a thing. This is why you're doing this.

And there are moments in Projectile Mary where I was like, okay, but I'm laughing, but why am I laughing at this moment? Why are we, this, this is not me about him? Like, I'm fucking heaven, this is great.

But I'll be curious, I'm gonna see it again. And yeah, like, now that I know that, and now that I have a little more context for, like, the type of project that I'm under, you know, going into, I wonder how it'll play.

How do you feel, my? Yeah, I think that understanding we're tone and the things he likes to explore and how both through, like, a central protagonist,

you know, these stories about humanity

and why people do what they do or fight for what they fight for or afraid of what they're afraid of, through the perspective of, like, a singularly gifted and capable person is interesting to me. I think that they are different stories,

but like, stories but twins in the sense that they are, I don't know both about, I really don't wanna spell anything about Projectile Mary, but it's right there on the title. Why do we call it a Hail Mary, right?

There's a desperate element behind both of these stories. There is a, like, a desire to study and assess the capacity, the human capacity for preservation, right? What will people do to try to save themselves or each other? And I think that's fascinating.

I think that that could be so bleak as just a subject matter and the fact that Andy Weird can,

“like, I think, frankly, if you want to come to the stories”

this way, you can, you don't have to teach you something, like, you can learn something when you're reading his books about how science works. I did try to do that a little bit with both the Martian and Projectile Mary and then realized I was at my capacity.

Yeah, my math is pretty quickly. Not for what I'm interested in for what I have any faith that I could possibly learn at this point in my life with my adult minds. But like, you know, what will people do?

I think both stories are interested in that and how do they form relationships to each other and what does that commitment then do? You know, like, the fact that the, the Hermes, I like the moments in this movie where the crew learns

that Mark is alive and the fact that it's not on a celebration oh my god, this guy, we love his life as you love him. - Yeah, yeah. - Because they have to confront the fact that they left him and like, I think aspects of the story,

like that are just really interesting to me as studies in human nature inside of very hard sci-fi, math, science, physics, astrophysics movies.

“- I think it was really interesting when Amanda was”

delineating between like an Earth sent, what you consider like an Earth-centric space movie versus not. And I think there's this other subgenre of like, the Earth is interrible trouble and only by this pursuit

into space, can we, you know, in sunshine or in a stellar like fine and answer that will help all of Earth, et cetera. And that's where Projectile Mary belongs. But I think both the stories dive into this idea

that we have been talking about a lot on this podcast, this idea like who is an us inside of a story, we talked about a lot in literally a TV show, the last of us, but it's like, yeah. Who is your community?

Like for the Hermes, like Mark is one of their crew, for the world, Mark is a human out there on a planet and we care about him coming home. Like I have some questions about that about how much, like the world would care about an American astronaut

on Mars, but like that's the world, the movie and the story exists in that like, right, we would care about our crewmate and we would care about a human being out there in the world because it's part of who we are, we define as us.

“- Yeah, I think there's that moment in the movie”

we're Teddy, not my favorite character. No idea, I can kind of reach Bradana, girl who's rich being like, who are you again? And it's like, he's like, I'm the director now. - Yes, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff.

- This isn't, is the newsroom still on the air when this was released in theaters? - I think so. - Why was it? It wasn't over by 2015.

- The newsroom American astronaut. - Oh no, it's serious. Let's see. - It was 14. - We were just, we're hot. - Yeah.

- Yes. - Well, it's extra enjoyable that when he's like studying his own press conference tape in the movie, it's a nice bit of connected tissue there. But like, I'm paraphrasing as I don't have this line

written down, but basically when he's like,

every time something goes wrong, people forget why we fly, right? And that to your point, that aspect of that is different in the Martian and Projectile Mary, the nature of the task, but I like that moment when Mark, when Watney asks Lewis, like, if I die, I know it's a big thing to ask,

which is why I'm asking you, but can you go talk to my parents? - Mary. - And he says I'm dying for something big and beautiful and greater than me, tell them I said, I can live with that. So that is tapping into an almost existential aspect

of like flight and like tracing back.

because perhaps controversially, the right stuff was not selected in the space draft, maybe that was not a surprise. I was a little surprised, but you know, having just read that. - Is it a dashboard disrespect right there? - We don't. - We don't. - We didn't know.

We did go out of our way to the same branch at the end. - I promise you. - Despite the movie not being drafted, we made time. - I promise. - Talk about checking. - Sure, sure, sure. - I'm sure that. - I'm sure that. - I'm sure that.

- I got a self at any point. You don't even need to ask when, just assume, I'm available. - I'm just a Sam Shepherd as like a recasting on, I think it was, it's complicated, rewatchables and Bill was like,

“you have to stop bringing up Sam Shepherd.”

- Like Sam Shepherd cannot be there. - Sam Shepherd cannot be there. - No, no, no, no, no. - You want to be cast, I got a dammit. - Yes, you can. But it was interesting to rewatch that and really just look very interesting. - Three hours and 13 minutes, famously.

- In that question of like, what drives people to do this thing

and then what does it represent to people who will never come close

to touching anything like that, right? And so I think the Martian, even though it is a disaster survival story, gets at that larger idea of like, why do people care about this thing? It's because it represents something seismic about, and this is interesting, I think actually with your framing of what you

like about space movies like coming home, getting back earth centric, because obviously a lot of like space fiction as a genre is about pushing to explore the unknown and then you always go into the brink of just beyond

“what we were able to see. So, I think the achievement of the Martian in particular”

is that it has moments for that existential or that contemplative aspect of it, but it is also, that's definitely not the essential nature of it. - It's just about solving a bunch of problems in order to-- - Well, this one man be at home. - To get homes. And so if you come for the more science or even just the almost episodic nature

of the like, okay, now we got to fix the Mart's Rover. Now we got to figure out how to make water. Now we got to fix that, I switched the order on that. - Please don't be at me, but you can watch just like the science experiments in the lab, but if you also want to have those moments of him writing the Jessica's Casting character,

or for me the wordless scene when he's about to, like the climactic scene is about to take off. - Yes. - And we're just crying. - And we're just crying. And if nothing is written, nothing is said and Damon is communicating everything that is going on,

that would go, it's amazing. - I say the movie Excel is in that respect.

There are smaller, non-markwatt, and he versions of that, too. Like the Michael Pina character, the Martinez character, when he's like reaching out to his little son, telling his wife and kid that he's, sorry, I just signed up at 500 plus more days in this. - And just that little moment where I got my touch, yeah.

- Can I tell you how that's undercut by the fact that he's on another space mission by the end of the movie? - He's just like right back on the ship. - He does get back, he's addicted to it. I'm kind of like, now I don't really know how. I know I understand as I understand it, it's hard to become an astronaut. When someone else would be like, "Fuck this, this is my, it's my chance, that's my seat, you've already been."

I know where he's, where you got cut short, but like, come on, dude. - Write that movie. - The Game of Thrones Politics of NASA. - Who is seated in our scene as take when he got to go back five years later? - I'm gonna let you know that is a subplotted Apollo 13, - Who gets to be out of the ship? - The ship? - Who's not, and why? That's true.

- I also think, and like, we talked about this with Interstellar, the shifting attitudes around NASA in the US as idea of like, when the moon landing happened, or even when like the Mars rover happened or whatever, if it was this, yes, of course. If, I mean, it did happen. It did standly Cooper corrected or not, it is a question, but like, but like, when we think about how what the national, I won't speak to international,

what the national attitude was towards space exploration and how it felt like a good and right thing to do in part of that was like, nationalistic propaganda, but the other part of it was just sort of like, this excitement of like,

we should explore. We should figure out like, we should be first, but also like, we should explore.

- We should explore. - Yeah, but we should figure it out, and it's exciting to do so, and it's important, and it matters. And I feel like now, and we talked about this on Interstellar, as the billionaires have taken over, appropriate in space travel, and when, I feel like when I talked to people about it, they're like, why should we fund NASA? Why should that be something that like, our tax dollars do? Because like, who cares about space,

we have problems here, and it's like, yes, we do. Absolutely, that's true, but like, that's why we got to look out their folks. We got to find our next home side to the curiosity matters, you know, and don't just let it's the billionaires be the one who knows, you know? - I need to grace here. - I know. We got to find another planet.

“- Okay. I think we've already covered this bit, like, why does Andy Weir's work led itself to cinematic treatments?”

But anything else you want to add to that that we haven't already? - Yeah, we've already hit. I mean, I guess the most obvious one, space to quote Chris Ryan from the space draft space looks fucking cool. - Yeah. - You know? - Yeah. - Mars looks really cool. I told you, this already, I will say, watching the 4k, I know Sean's on here, but I'll bring a little bit of the physical media.

I'm a centric, I know, but it's like, Molly would be like, well, I did watch this on the 4k.

“- Adam, this space is the moment I met him. I will never forget,”

going through his apartment for the first time. This was back in the New York case, and his entire, like,

entryway was just DVD. So this is a lifelong thing for him. - Okay. - Where are the DVDs now that the blue rays and the 4k's? - The DVD, the 4k almost the entire display case is 4k's now. And even that, there's like, there are like 10 piles on the couch right next to it. We're really out of space. We've been discussing what to do about it. I'm also out of space for my books. It's become a bit of a mess. We got to figure out some new shelving. He's got all the 4k's and blue rays still out the DVDs

are in, like, a cabinet, because they're so big on the shelves. He still hasn't traded them in. - Yeah, okay. - He has them all. - He's building his library of Alexandria. Exactly, exactly, exactly. The 4k, something about, I can't remember if I felt this way about the movie and real time in the theaters, but something about those initial, like, sweeping pans of Mars.

Really looked weird to me. - Oh, I mean, you might not hear the motion. - Yeah, I mean, never would.

- Or something's fucked up. - Yeah, and this is, I mean, this was in 2015. I mean, if you go back and you watch Gladiator, another Ridley Scott film that won Best Picture, like, those ruins or, I guess they're not ruins. Like, all of those palaces, Rome as it exists in Gladiator is like, my son drew it on his iPad. It looks quite bad now. - And some of it is just technology and where we are, we look at the poll, though.

- The wheat looks beautiful. - Sure, yeah. And everyone in the wheat looks good.

“But I think the Martian overall looks really good, so I think the skyscrapers look really beautiful.”

- There's open up and opening the heads, and I'm like, what is it? What has gone wrong here? But in general, there's something about, like, you know, that, like, Texas, like, hook-and-long horns, burnt orange, just like the, like, it looks really cool. - But I don't tell Mary,

it looks fucking amazing and can't wait for everyone to get to see it.

- But as I understood it, like, they, they filmed a lot of this is done on greenscreens, greenscreens. They didn't use a vomit comet. They're on wires that you then, that they'd, like, then, CGI'd out. And you, I mean, you can watch behind the scenes footage on the internet of, like, everyone kind of flapping around. - Yeah. - And then they did film the exteriors, or at least, like, the exteriors that they then

used it behind the green screen footage in, in Jordan, in a very famous part of Jordan that's been in a lot of films. So all of these things, if they're not real together, are at least based on real things, you know, and the, the other nice thing about space movies is that because it's such a limited physical environment, like, they built the have. They built all of these different, so they grew the potato plants. So even though there are a lot of effects,

they're still filming real built things. - That was quite grounded, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. - Which is helpful. - Um, on the dirt goddard front, this is, like, we want to talk about the dirt goddard because he, so he is the screenwriter on the Martian, as well as Projectile Mary. Again, we try to, Andy, we're about, like, why Drew is the guy, and you can hear him talk about that in our Projectile Mary episode, but Drew, as his background, it has been attached to, like,

almost everything that's ever been important to me, including, like, lost, both vampires layer, alias, the good place, angel, clover field, cowd in the woods, world warzy, not so much bad times of the L.A.L., and, like, was an initial part of the, of the dirt devil launch. And so, like, which dirt devil? But I'm like, like, there are double? No, the Netflix. That's a dirt devil. Initially involved, not like, it's interesting.

“- Classic, classic, you take. - You should be a centrally coax. I think it should be very interesting, too, coax. I do think also,”

does Daredevil show up in the Spider-Man movie where they all pointed each other? - Yeah, he's the lawyer, Matt Murdock. - Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray. - Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Sean, and I talked about this. - Yes, that's a door. I'm talking about the three Spider-Man's on big pick, and you were like, you guys have lost your fucking mind. - And you did also towards Ray in the speeding, and you both leaned over, and you were like, "We're not, I was like, I don't know who that is." - No, you're missing out. Okay, is that a different, Matt Murdock than the Matt Murdock that Drew got her, like,

- No, same one, Matt Murdock. - Well, that's like Daredevil in a, and then I see a movie. - I know exactly. - I know exactly. - Now he's on Disney's legal processes. - Now he's on Disney's legal processes. - We're more excited about, Department of Damage Control, is that, like, what you were excited about in that Spider-Man movie? - I don't, which part was that? - So we look at it. - I liked it when Andrew Garfield saved Zendaya. - Yeah. - Who's name I can't remember. I liked it when they pointed at each other.

- I really like that movie. - It's a great time. - It's a great movie. - It's a great movie. - It's a great movie.

- By the way, I guess. - I like to Jake Chill and Hal Drone's one. - I, it's, it's for a phone. - I mean, I love the three that we have so far.

- It's true. - It's true. - It's true. - It's true. - It's true.

- It's true. - You love it. - You love it. - You love it. - Sure.

- You love it. - You love it. - You love it.

“- We're honestly, we're really venturing in a goin' with Paltro.”

We, I've seen all of them, but at this point, I can't differentiate.

- Fair enough. Fair enough. - There's a great long, long interview with your guttard that Adam very did on BuzzFeed when this movie came out where he talks about sort of his, his process.

And there's like, there's a couple things that he really nailed. What does he talks about constantly calling Andy Weir? And Andy Weir was not a producer on the Martian, so he didn't have to call Andy Weir. But he was just constantly like checking in with him and there's just like a respect for the author that I love about your guttard.

But also he was talking about how he wanted to tweak something to make it sort of a little bit more, move you friendly, and that Andy Weir lectured him at length about how an astronaut would never say that. And he put that lecture kind of in the movie. He just sort of like he thought it was so funny that Andy Weir liked sort of, was so

affronted about his, his, trying to shortcut science that he put it in. - So one should share the story with George R. Martin and Ryan Connell. Let's see if it's helpful. - We see if it's helpful. - Yeah, I just read the headlines. You know what I'm just like, oh, that seems not good.

It seems like they're not friends. - It's okay, it's okay. - I don't know who's shows, who's anymore? - He talked a lot about how he, he spent very long time in the outline, before he like actually wrote the thing, which is something that he got from just being a problematic person, but also

taught Drew got her a lot of what he knows about how to write. And how it clearly breaks into a three-act structure and you know, it gave him some guiding posts on how to put this all together.

“But I think just like how he's able to simplify the science, not just with the like very”

stranger things, final season as like we take a stapler and we show you with the pepper pot, how we're going to do the thing, which they did at Nazium and Stranger thing.

- Do they always do an actual stapler in this movie?

- No, I know the history is a stapler, and the history is a stapler, and the history is a stapler. - There's a slinky. - There's a slinky. - There seems to be a--

- There's a slinky. - There seems to be a slinky. - There seems to be a slinky. - There seems to be a slinky. - There seems to be a slinky.

- There seems to be a slinky. - There seems to be a slinky. - There seems to be a slinky. - There seems to be a slinky. - There seems to be a slinky.

- There seems to be a slinky. - There seems to be a slinky. - There seems to be a slinky. - There seems to be a slinky. - Did it turn out well or not?

- No, I don't think it turned out well. - For the characters? - Are they fulfilled? - I choose to believe. - Yeah, I choose to go.

- I choose to go at the story. - I just think that--

“- Is there a good idea for a show where I just come in and lightening around?”

- Yes. - Yes, yes. - I would buy it. - I just based on that. - Maybe it's on our facial expressions.

I think the just pattern that he uses and all of that is works so beautifully in these movies. - Yeah. - It's like a perfect person to distill this. - I, yeah, it's a beautiful partnership that I hope continues. I think it's really fun that we've gotten different directors, Ridley Scott and Lord

and Miller. That's awesome and obviously Lord and Miller as we'll talk about when we all cover their projects. Tell Mary, hard to think of directors more suited to adapting that particular story. It's just perfect.

The pattern is like a through line of adapting. We're as work is really awesome and I think that that passion that you're identifying in that like since like a desire to do right by the story that you're identifying. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - It was interesting, we went to that we were at Comic Con in the summer and we went to

the Projectile Mary panel and Drugotterd was one of the panelists and he was, I thought, so palpably emotional talking about why he loves the characters in the story. Like it was really moving and beautiful and lovely and, you know, I think that we talk about this a lot across the various things that we cover.

I think that the nature, because adaptations always have tweaks they have to.

And like when we love attacks and we are really partial to attacks, you know, I am guilty of this a lot. I want the adaptation to be as faithful as possible. And I think these are very faithful adaptations that also make smart choices. A lot of the thing that was interesting about going back to the Martian, because again,

I saw it before I had read it. Now I'm like, huh, some of the things that didn't make it into the film from the book. I don't totally know why, just because they're so cinematic, like the rover crash on that final drive. I understand cutting something like the additional, like, lost communication, because Mark

Freys' tech and stuff that might have felt like one too many, here's a setback. And I never have to figure out how to move forward. But like the rover, just another storm coming and the rover crashing when you're reading that in the novel. I'm like, you can, this is a movie scene, so that's a little bit puzzling to me.

But in terms of that's not, I don't think a Godder choice. That's probably just how much time do we have in how many big set pieces are we doing?

smarts. You've got to be able to hit all of those elements if you're adapting.

“We are and I think Godder does it really wonderfully, and, you know, tease for Project”

Tomerian in both.

It's incredible screenwriting.

And I can't speak as much to the adaptation, because I haven't read the books, but what I see on the screen are incredibly complex, recreated, like scientific worlds that boiled down to something that anyone can understand. Yes. Yeah, or even, Project Homerian, am I allowed to spoil the problem?

Is it in the trailer? I stopped watching the trailers at some point. But it's a very complex thing, but the basic version of it is, like, we've got to save this thing. Yes.

This thing is no longer working. Maybe I have to save it. Anyone can understand it. It's like being explained to children at the beginning, which was, like, a little on the nose for me.

But, you know, a teacher, well, sure, and as is Mark Wattney at the end. So. That's right. But it's, it's really, it's, it is masterful to be able to boil down, not just like this, this science, but these plots and stories into something that are so high stakes

and so complicated, and yet so baseline, simple.

They get to the essential nature of a story in a way that appeals to everybody.

Yeah. Like to that end. I mean, my next question is, like, this movie was nominated for seven Oscars, which is, well, this is the spot light year, which we talked about very recently on a big pic, the Revenant year.

It was nominated for Best Picture, Best Actor, Best Adaptive Screenplay, Best Production Design, Best Sound Editing, Best Sound Mixing and Best Visual Effects, shut up the days when there were two sound categories. If you could give it one, what would you give it? If I give it adapted screenplay, which is what, I remember the time there was a thought

that it would win. Yeah. And that, the big short one, and that's tough because the big short is also, like, a really, really, really great job of boiling down hard concepts and to have fun digestible. They're still not my favorite adaptation of a Michael Lewis book, which is, of course,

my money ball. Thank you so much, forever. Naturally. Yeah. I too, I think, would go with writing because it was nominated in Best Picture, but Spotlight

One, I think Spotlight is an incredible movie. Yeah. It's otherwise this, like, sort of, a tough year to be another one for actor. Which is good, and you want, but he wins for the Revenant, which is to make up. I don't really care for the Revenant, relarson and room, Mark Rylans and Bridge of Spice,

who's a wonderful actor, and I like that movie. No, Mark Rylans should have an Oscar, it shouldn't be for Bridge of Spice. Right. At least if you can't, or one, and Oscar for the Danish girl, but actually it was for ex-mockinger.

They just did not want to nominate, remember ex-mockinger. No. I mean, like, Damon was the only, I mean, you could give them, you could give an Oscar in any category. I'm just saying, like, Damon is not beating DeCaprio on his year where he's just,

like, you know, dancing on Ellen or doing whatever he needs to do to get that Oscar. I didn't actually dance on Ellen. Nobody told a hilarious, like, a hilarious anecdote on Ellen, and I was like, oh, Leo's trying. Yeah. He also run it.

You know what I mean?

“Like, I think he did accent work as far as I remember.”

So sound editing sound mixing and production design all went to Fury Road. No quibbles. That makes sense. I mean, you give Fury Road, Best Picture and Spotlight. I do, Best Picture and Spotlight.

And I think that's really valuable. The actual effects, ex-mockinger, not Fury Road or the Martian. But that ex-mockinger visual effect. That maybe is the whole movie. Yeah.

Yeah. That's a fascinating one. I think it's of these options screenplay. Yeah. We're great for sure.

Congratulations, Dr. Goddard. You know, have an Oscar. Dr. Goddard. You know, have an Oscar. You're awesome.

I think the main thing you identified is really crucial.

Because there's enough science still to not, I think it's not a leave the door open for like, boy, this was really like dumb down and sapt of its sci-fi essence. Like we get, I think it's more elegant with them. Respect to the big short of the margarabi in a bathtub. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. They're still like, yeah. There's a story. Yeah. People are explaining things to each other.

And that's to the audience. You kind of like see it. But it's elegant. Yeah. They say a lot of words.

In the moments that we get into some more detailed formulas or like, you know, vectors and atmosphere and stuff like that. It's because it really matters. Yeah. Are they going to be it, not only the right position, but the right velocity to get

Mark now that they've made this choice to go there. They do, but it's very clever even in the science that uses because they build the major set pieces around things you can understand. Like velocity. I didn't take AP physics.

But I do remember velocity, right? And also like Mark being like, this is how I'm going to make water. Right.

“And this is what I for like, do you need to totally understand that he forgot to count for like”

what he was exhaling and why that matter. No. It's just like he is flexing because he's an example. Exactly. And it's very accessible whether or not you're a chemist or a bot.

But also if you didn't take chemistry, like, if you making water, you're like,

Right. Exactly.

“If you sat through any science class at some point.”

It's at least like ringing a bell.

So it's not totally. You don't need to track the minutes. It takes you on messages. You just need to know mission control can't help. Right.

Right. And there's way more science in the box than in the folks. No, father was more. Yeah. It's your garden start, clear for the cooling.

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Gross. What's more, demon, the right guy to play Mark Wany. I think he's a great one. I think he's great as Wany. Is there anyone else in 2015 that you would put in that role?

I just think Gosling is a slightly better fit for his tone. So like, Gosling is a 15 gossip. I've just liked here. You know. I'm looking here at the top ten.

So Star Wars, the Force Awakens. So Harrison Ford, two old. But I would have enjoyed that. But I would have enjoyed that. Yeah.

That would be good. Yeah. That would be good. Yeah. That would be good.

And they're charming. - Um, that's good. - Adam is, Adam Driver and Force Awakens were to do his job as his Oscar Isaac. - Okay. (laughs)

“- Okay, and I remember that, he's the pilot,”

but he doesn't have that much to do. - And Po-Dam, right there. - Not in that one. - That's in, yeah, he's got that. - Listen, we were talking about-- - We were talking about, we were talking about--

- We were talking about, we were talking about-- - In Force Awakens, Sean and I were at the other day, when Ray gets the lightsaber instead of-- - John, but you guys cared about that guy, yeah. - Finn, thank you.

And I'll never forget that. - Like, you can, that's-- - That's just amazing. - I have, like, a lot to say about three movies that I like barely understood, you know, overseen by JJ Abrams, but that moment

and the way they do it and it's, and the way they bring a girl Jedi into it, which is not like in a girl bossy way. It's just that the lightsaber goes hurt.

Isn't amazing, and I'll never forget seeing that.

I did forget everyone else in the movie, but that's okay. Okay, so, I mean, she could, no, she's too young. - Okay, Lorenz Slander here, oh, he's really good, but I remember him shirtless in the next one

in the Red Room, this big last one. He's quite committed in the first one, true. - Okay, oh, but then they have, isn't that when, spoiler alert for Force Awakens, I guess? Harrison Ford went on solo, like, comes back

and there are all those waves, and then he's-- - No, that's a third one. - That's, yeah. - Okay. - All right, that was a really-- - This is when-- - But that very,

he's had Bob McFreck, whose name I finally learned. - Yeah. - I like Bob McFreck. - Yeah, it's in Zellin' movie for you and Knox, okay. - I'm saying, I'm saying you with Damon as one. - Chris, no, I don't remember anyone in Avengers.

I don't think anyone in Avengers could do this. No one in the Fast and Furious movies is jumping out to me. The Martian, a day no specter, day no crag, no. I was just looking at the, yeah, we'll leave the top. - Yeah, the top movies.

- Just take my Damon. - All right, I think Ben Affleck could be good. - Okay, you're going off like you're going Damon. - I know, I'm just, I just like, well, we're here. Let's put, I mean, I'm putting the record,

which is like, when we talked about recasting, or when we talked about casting a role in interstellar, and Hathaway's wolf himself,

“a lot of our listeners like, you should've done Oscar Isaac,”

and I like really agree with that, who would look hot and bearded, stranded on a planet somewhere. - Oscar Isaac. - Fantastic. - Yeah, it's very funny. But Damon, I mean, Damon's great.

Here's my next question, this might seem rude, but I just really love her and I support her. What's happened to Jessica Chastain's career and how do we fix it? - She has an Oscar, so she's doing fine, right?

- She has an Oscar for her, it's not the worst. - No, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not. - You've seen the good, the good nurse? - Yes, I actually did want to know what happens in the good nurse, so I shouldn't totally negate, but let's see.

It's been a really interesting few years for Jessica Chastain, who does have an Oscar, and it's like between interseller and the Martian, like, you know, in zero dark 30 came just before it, like, and then she did it chapter two,

which should have been better than it was, but that's not her fault. But then like, there's a line in her Wikipedia, Wikipedia, the greatest source of all time, it says, Chastain received further claim

for playing strong, wild women in the drama, and then just like list a bunch of, you know, it's just like, that's not what I think Jessica Chastain should be like one of our biggest movie stars. - It's a good nurse, then she did George and Tammy,

which I never watched, which is a TV show.

- The Tammy went at thing. - Yes. - And then memory didn't see it. Mothers instinct didn't see it, dreams, mothers instinct. These are three films that were like completely dumped.

I'm not aware, I wasn't aware she's doing a podcast series called The Space Within, which I guess is Richard. Oh dear, this is, this is, this is grim. - I have seen anything that she has been in since the good nurse in 2022.

I mean, I know she's doing a lot of stage work,

which she likes you, and that's great. But I'm just saying like, oh, yeah, it seems from a marriage. - I mean, it seems from a marriage, that was great.

“- Yes, you have to realize I can do something.”

- There you go, that was wonderful. - Yeah, and there is the herkilled Apple TV Plus show. - You know, right. - But I just think that she should be like, did we know that she's doing, well, did we know that

Puccino is apparently doing a upcoming version of King Lear, where Puccino's King Lear, she's gone or all. Rachel Brasin-Hen is Reagan and Ariana DeBos is Cordelia. - Ariana DeBos is Cordelia. - I'm closing this tab, I have nothing more to say.

I just learned about this, I shared it with you. I'm moving on. - Ariana DeBos is Cordelia. - This is a film, apparently. But you know, doing Lear, I think it's me,

gone away for most, but that's okay. - All right, what's happening? - All right, I wish her well. - I just want more for Jessica Chessane is the point. - Yeah.

- And she was in such a great place when she made intercellular to the Martian, zero-nark 30, et cetera. And then I just don't know why she's not one of our players. - Yes. - Saw her once at our old office,

build sunset gower, complex walk-in through the courtyard. - Not her bin, it's just astonishing. - Let's think about it from a house of our perspective. You're gonna give Jessica Chessane a franchise. Some kind, more kind of franchise, do you want for her?

- Let's see, what are our choices? She can be in game of thrones. She can be a good James Bond. I mean, like the issues that the-- - We need one.

- I like that. - The Marvel Superhero movie. - Superhero movie that she made was Dark Phoenix. - Right, that's tough. - Oh, she was she.

- That's very, very tough. - You know, she played a book, book, yeah. And then we could put her in, this is hard. - Actually, how long do we want to tie her up for with a franchise? - I mean, she seems like Elfish, you know?

- I can see her in the heart for Gollum with Keywindsland. - What about, do you see the Keywindsland is allegedly playing Gollum's grandmother?

“- That's what they're doing with Keywindsland.”

- That's probably sensational. - Can I, I'm sorry. - So we're talking about-- - Just after no questions about the Lord of the Rings, but like way of water and fire and ash,

she was really, really, really, really underused in Avatar Fire and Ash. I just want to say Keywindsland. She was really sideline for a while.

And then the traumatic first scene.

Listen, what, weren't the first three Lord of the Rings, weren't the original three about the hunt for Gollum? - Well, no. - They're about the war and the ring. - Yeah.

- Okay, in a way Gollum was causing them to a certain degree. - Okay, and so now, this is a prequel. Okay, so, why are they hunting him? If he hasn't, if he hasn't gotten the ring yet. - I think the main answer here is IP.

- Well, sure, but like, tell me what the story is. - What, what did Gollum do? - From the book that like, Aragorn was looking for Gollum and they're, because of, does Aragorn have like,

premonition, does he know that Gollum's, - Tell me what the Gollum is to bring him to Gollum. - So Amanda, who's rumored to play, young Aragorn, and she will have no further questions. - Leo, what else?

- I'm, it's okay, it's okay. I thought you were going to stay in Jacob's Lordy, and so then I was like, "Great." (laughs) - No, what?

I'm not, he'd be, he'd be great.

“I honestly, like, there is a reason for the hunt”

for Gollum to exist other than IP. There is like some textual, but it's so slim. So whatever they're going to do, it's going to be like, what they did with the Hobbit, where they like, just blew up a great slim children's book

into three groin and movies. They're, they're blowing up like one concept into, now we're going to know who Gollum's grandmother was, and she's played by Kate Winslett. - I'm in.

- Okay, sometimes, taking just a few nuggets and expanding it can work beautifully, ring some power. - You want to know, this isn't even-- - You want to know all about D-Gold.

- Now here's what I do, D-Gold, I want to know about that.

- That's the right way. - All right, don't know where we should put Jessica Chastine, though, in terms of your franchise question. That's a challenge. - Anywhere.

- What was K-Planchette doing in those movies? - Galadriel, Galatriel. - Galatriel, yeah, 11 queen. - I think that Jessica Chastine could be Elvin Royalti. - I agree.

- There you go. - Definitely. - All right, so what's available? - Well, it's probably too late for rings of power season three. Some similar really in-shit.

- Yeah. - Come on then. - Yeah. - Yeah, let's get her in some future rings. - Great.

- That sounds great. - We did it wonderful. - We fixed her career with some baseless funded future Lord of the Rings project. Sounds great.

We talked enough about Michael Payne and Kristen Ring, anything else we want to add that we haven't already got into. - So who is the least believable NASA employee and why is it Kristen Ring?

She is who I would request. - I do feel like Donald Glovers character is underdeveloped, underexplained.

- Overly quarked, and also when he's,

“I forgot in the scene where he's just sitting”

with his laptop plugged in. - That's exactly what I'm talking about. - It's like a computer. - To check the math. - And just sitting there for a while,

like me in the library stacks in college. - No, and then he just gets a flash up. - You got to talk the math. - You got to check the math. - You got to check the math.

- Listen, that's cool to know how NASA and Supercomputer is work. - Don't you wish I like our job as that easy, where it's just like, your computer's correct, Amanda.

(laughing) Hot take correct. - All right. Okay, here's a question I was wondering. - Wait, what kind of quarter are you using

to plug into a Supercomputer in 2015? - Supercomputer. - It's a Supercomputer. - It's not like a lightning cable. - It's probably more proprietary than that.

- I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I think I agree that we have not tapped into Kristen Wigs comedic genius

with Annie Montros. I am standing on my corner here that Sean Beam is actually the most, the Sean Beam's most miscast, as Mitch. Because there's like this,

it feels like he's speaking the way that Boramera or Ned, this is like really kind of, I don't have to, I don't have to, - I don't have to report to Vincent. - I don't think it's a Vincent or anyone.

So for me, it's in the tradition of Ed Harris, Flight Director of Apollo 13, with the gene and the best. And like, if they don't sleep, we don't sleep, and it's just like a very eye-curt like,

- But he's like, stealing the position of like, I'm doing this for my guide. - Yeah, right. - Well, that's what Ed Harris is doing. - He's like, and then they land like, - Coach on Survivor 50.

- And he wipes away that one to his honor and integrity. - Oh, see, you can't question my honor. - Honestly, kind of the conversation between Mitch and Teddy is not dissimilar from Coach calling out Aussie on the mat.

You're really onto something here. I love Sean Beam, he's like one of my favorites. When Teddy says I'm going to expect your resignation at the end of this, I'm like, respectfully, you're in charge of NASA,

and this is a moment of crisis. This guy's ID card should not work anymore. - Who's that? - He's already fired. - He went behind his back to secretly send a message to the Hermes crew, that's an insane accident.

- It's incredibly successful result. - No, it's not a result. - No, it's not a result. - No, it's not a result. - They didn't test the probe, but not all bosses are correct.

- No, I know, I just don't believe. I'm not saying it's not the right outcome. I don't believe that Teddy wouldn't have fired him. There's no way. - Here's another question.

Since the outcome was correct in the world rejoice. - Sure. - Is there something, and let's leave sports out of it because I can't have a conversation about it, then this may seem smart at all.

Is there a global event that could get people out into, as you said, Trafalgar Square, Times Square around the world, looking at giant screens, and getting excited about it? Is there something that could get us

off our phones, off our laptops, out of the house, into the streets?

“- I mean, even sports, I think, wouldn't work”

because, yes, in terms of the legions, but you're rooting against each other. Sports, you have sides. You have rooting interest in a legion. - Yeah, I guess we're not rooting for you.

- Yeah, I guess we're not rooting for you. - You just are talking about the massive people who are interested, or the fact that everyone would be united toward one outcome. - I think the answer--

- I think I have the answer. - Going outside, I don't know, I think I have the answer.

- I think it's the first context.

- I think if the government is transparent about our first contact with an alien, and they transmit it, which they wouldn't, but if they did, would you not want to go and be with people in that moment

that we make first contact with aliens? - Every time. - Are you just gonna be building their shelters? - Yeah, yeah. - But that's more about the world is broken,

and the way we respond to me. - I guess that's my question. We don't try to go with the core of frame it, but like, is the world too broken to have this-- - Yeah, let's save one man moment.

- But this movie is 2015, this is late Obama. - Yeah, yeah. - This is like, late Obama era. This is like a real moment of yes we can and people.

“And I remember, like, I remember the community”

and like where I was when Obama was elected. - Yeah, we were all out in the streets. - Obviously, like, out in the streets. - The streets. - For Obama, for sure.

But now we live in a world where Barack Obama has to issue clarifications about whether aliens do or do not exist. - We were ready to go out in the street in 2016. We thought for Hillary Clinton.

- Like, it seems like--

- I take it out in 2020 when they finally called it for Biden.

- I made my own side and I drove around Hawking. Yeah, northeast Los Angeles and I was very fun. - We did it, Joe. - But that would do, yes. I mean, basically that.

(laughing) - But listen, it was deep pandemic. You needed to do something. - That's true. - So do you have an answer for this?

- I don't know, there is one. - It's just pretty depressing, 'cause I think even first contact, I think it would be, you know, something like the stretches in contact.

but they all want something different

“or they're trying to do something different.”

So there's like the religious faction that has some-- - Oh, wow. - All your jacacies. - And like, yeah, exactly. The reaction in the recent,

Netflix adaptation, recent issue. I guess it's been like two fucking years. So three body problems was kind of, I think more true to how that would go. - So they meet aliens in that?

- I never found out what the--

- Spoiler. - What the bodies were? - And there's like more than four. And, you know, when there's like three, the message in the sky--

- Well, did you put your bodies or three problems? - I still don't know. - Well, it's the problem of the three bodies. - Oh, that's three bodies. - Okay.

- It's one of the murder, what is one of them? - It doesn't involve suns and planets and orbits and rotations, but it also in this particular story and this stretch of it involves virtual reality.

- Oh, yeah. - So I don't keep this worth trying to sell you. - I don't endorse it. - But I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with the rest of that story.

- Here's my favorite question. And this is the last of the, quote, "reasonable questions."

“- Okay, this is a reasonable question, who's to say?”

How often an under which zero G-circum says

is do you imagine Sebastian Stan and Kate Marabond

in that spaceship? Okay, so this is what we know. They share a smooch, later, many years later, there's a baby. - Yes.

- But we don't see any of the return trip from Mars to Earth. - Can I please share some information I learned about sex and space? - Sure, this podcast. - Yay, I can be thrilled.

- Google search, I definitely did on this my work laptop. Okay, this from Oracle from the CBC, which is titled, "Scientists are worried about how we're gonna have sex and space." - Okay, okay.

- Yeah, because it doesn't feel lack of gravity affect how the sperm swims. - And more importantly, how the blood flows. - Oh, right, of course. Yes, 'cause it's not about, and this is just about

- Blood tends to flow into the chest and head in space, so getting it to behave in better and friendly ways that necessitate rapid blood flow is challenging, scientifically speaking, managing and maintaining an erection in space is harder than it is on Earth.

- Quote, male arousal will be more challenging in space, though it could still technically be possible. And then the article goes on to like, "Oh, and women too, I guess." - Well, I mean, it's not for once, women have the upper hand.

- Yeah. - It's slightly similar. - The blood flows still matters in female arousal. - That's true, that's true. - Okay, but so is that true only in zebra gravity

or because the interesting thing about the hermises that there are some floating rooms. - Right, like the hallways seem to be zero gravity, but that like the gym and other living spaces

seem to be gravatized, which is definitely the first.

- Specifically zero gravity. So like if there's a gravitational boating room, a designated gravitational boating room, then that's great. - So you're telling me the scene and season one

of the expanse when they're floating fucking is bullshit. - Absolutely, a more topic on that. I'm more info on that. - A little bummer. - On the topic of fluids, note that they also pool in space.

So sweat and everything else, secreted during one's labor of love won't drip away. It'll collect in little zero gravity pools turning the rest of the body into a weirdly wet wonderland. - Okay, I mean, last but not least,

“you have to be tightly tethered to your lover in space”

so that each thrust doesn't send you to the opposite end of the sex shuttle. (laughing) - The launcher, the laws of Newtonian physics. So bye by Anna Space Hookup.

Thankfully, there's a get-up for that is called a "to suit" and it's designed for two cosmic travelers intent on sharing that most intimate of space hugs. - What about just like a sex thing? - It does, I mean, that's what I'm thinking.

- Where you can just hold that. - That's exactly what you're talking about. - The to suit is really, it's been tested in zero gravity. I don't know how a 991 I know about. - Who tested it and where I am.

- I think just like clothe like dry humb being, probably to test like if the thrust would sort of like work or not work. But yeah, so that's some information I learned. I also learned about a romance in space

'cause this is a concern for me, of course. - Right, yeah. - 'Cause they're like commenting on Mark Watney and stuff like that, I'm like, but how do astronauts who've been up in space forever,

so they'll smell? - Right. - Do you guys want some information on what smells like? - Yeah, please like up there. This is from a different article.

An astronaut said, I was trying to hear as county jail in Texas and there's this room that smells like space station, combination of antiseptic garbage and body odor. Also the absence of gravity, body smells

such as farts tend to linger. - Oh, because they are like dissipated. - Yeah, yeah. - And you can't just on Tim Peaksa, the International Space Station smell is like quote,

barbecue that's gone wrong. That sounds sexy to me, so I guess Sebastian Stan and Kate Mara may be weighted until they got back to Earth. - That's a long time.

- What? - It doesn't really fucking go. - What is the, once they, I think it's a kind of established in the book that they're fucking already.

It's like the rest of the crew knows they're hooking up. I don't think it's possible that they're, well, I guess everybody's very close, are they fucking on Mars before the storm comes?

They've only been there, it's so lateine.

- The bugs were right near each other

but could they have gone to a rover? - Oh, fucking in the rover. - I don't know, those days seem like pretty regimented. - That's true.

- You know, they have a lot of experiments to run. - Yeah. - To then get to the point where they're like, don't bring any of that back. - You know what they do also.

- Because the potatoes come from a container that they don't know what they're doing. - Yeah, they do have some recreational, or at least like a deal. - So wait till everyone gets drunk on Thanksgiving

and then go fuck in the rover? Is that exactly? - Yeah, okay. - I guess so. - Plenty of spaces in the rover.

“- I think they're definitely fucking on the way back”

just because it's what? - You know, I know. - I know, I know.

- I know, I know, I know.

- I know, I know, I know, I know. - I know, I know, I know. Beth Johanson, right, like super nerd, right? - Yes. - So I feel like if Beth Johanson super nerd

gets within a whiff of Sebastian Stan, it's like, let's go, right? - For sure. - First make it happen. - I guess this is where we should mention

that when Mark opens all of their shit, he comments specifically about Johanson. He's like, "Wow!" - That's tough. - I guess if her factor in how everybody is something

to think about, but like isn't this equivalent to Joe, what we've talked about before was like, how do we make sense of people fucking on survivor when they're that filthy and like they're just like shit in the woods and shit in the woods?

- If you don't really smell it anymore at a certain point, when it'd be the same thing here. - I mean, hundreds of days on the Hermes are like, isn't that what I was thinking about this while watching Hamlet and I think about it, it's like generally,

and any kind of ults of the birds are for. - They look very smelly and hamlet. - Yeah, but they don't have plumbing. - That's what I miss as constantly. - They're totally rosemary.

- I think about how bad it smelled. - Rosemary for a reference and also for a body odor. - Yeah. - And they have one set of clothes, pretty gross. So yeah.

All right, that's the quote-to-quote reasonable discussion. This is tier two, rabbit fire, immersion, morality, slash survival test. - Yeah.

“- Would you have used your own shit to grow potatoes, Malar ribbon?”

- No question. You have to, have no choice. The question is would I or any of us have thought of that? 'Cause Mark Watney is a botanist. So this is his area of expertise.

Would we have known to do this? - Well, that's sort of sharp. - Well, you don't have to be a botanist to know that poop is fertilizer. - No, but would you have thought to slice up the potatoes

and plant them? - I don't know if I would have thought about that. - I will just say because potatoes like sprout on their own. - Yeah. - You know what stuff I think is like.

- Maybe I would have gotten there. - Would you use yours or anyone else's shit to grow potatoes? - You have to put it all in that bucket and we hydrate it and mix it on all of it. - You guys, I deal with other humans.

- Yeah, every day, every day. - Once you're a mom this question is not even a tough one. - It's been four years of daily, like just hands on. - My younger son had a blowout last night before bedtime. That was just, (laughing)

would have made excellent fertilizer, but do you have a real, I had to. And it was like, right, well, I don't have any names. I'm like, you know, between you and your husband, do you have names for a particular style?

- Like, we used to say "Sag Peneer" for like, yeah, but I know exactly what that is. - Because you also learned to, you're checking it for signs of health at this point, yeah, and you notice the changes.

You know, I, a day when I let my son eat only blueberries, which he would love to do, then it is suddenly like blueberry, which is obviously not as bad as some of the other food. - This is like how I would talk to him about how you need to set a text reminder to yourself that you eight beats.

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, or that you ate asparagus and shut the oven for them.

But I'm always surprised.

Every time I'm like, what's going on? - No, I don't need to be worried about this. - I don't know.

“I think I'm like, really on the look for pearly monopause.”

You know what I'm saying? - I'm like, is this a sign? - Is this a sign? - Is it? - And then I'm like, no, no, it's just that I had asparagus.

So, the thing is, is that my husband and I are so, like, quite literally in the shit right now, that like, to talk about it at great length, just makes it worse. - Sure.

- So, that we cope by not really acknowledging it. But it's like, both my sons love black beans. And every time I feed the black beans, I am just a little bit like, I know I'm gonna see this again. - This is good, man.

- And I know, and at like, an interesting way. So, yeah, no, absolutely no more than we talk about. - So, no more than we talk about beats and asparagus and black beans and other sort of vegetation. If you could grow anything in yours,

someone else should eat it for a year and a half, which crop would you shit farm? You get one con of it to go with it, but please be more cautious than Mark was with the ketchup recipe. - Do we also get what you say to crush?

- Wezing, he was like, he was just dolloping that stuff and I was watching him, and I had to remember, I had not remembered that he ran out of ketchup and I was like, you're gonna run out of ketchup buddy. And then he's just like, grinded that potato into the bike it in.

- He rationed like the sweet and sour chicken and the meat loaf and everything, but the jelly beans, strewn about, breathlessly, and the ketchup. So, what do you, what do you grow, if you can grow one thing?

- I would pick potatoes. - You pick, because I love potatoes. I love french fries, I love mashed potatoes,

I love all sorts of potatoes. - If you can make it, if you can dip it in a grudon on Mars, you get the, I think we're gonna make it past with a little time. - So, my team, you know this is probably moot,

but so in addition to like, I like french fries and potato chips, but otherwise I'm like not really eating it. - Oh wow, I'm curious, I'm just a pain to prepare. I mean, this is the issue,

like it takes so much work,

“but you should make that kind of a new one.”

- Yes, and then biting them real easily. - But so here's the other question I had, and there are some other incidents in the Martian that preclude us from ever having to explore this. But the thing about just eating potatoes

is don't even come incredibly constipated, but I think this is one of the virtues of this plan, but you need the shit in order to keep growing your food. So, like, don't we have a problem?

- They are probably on some sort of, I would expect, like, vitamin. - I'm sure, I'm sure, it's like-- - It's like, it is, it is in the habit. - Yeah, but listen, we all know

the guys can't watch us, it's only. - Can you imagine it's calledation? - Yeah, it's, no, I can't, because we all know what travel is like, and then when there's no gravity speaking of,

so I'm just saying that it's not an environment. - Because all of those, like, here's your fiber supplement when you're traveling if they don't work. It's calledation only.

- What are you? - If you are expecting right now, take it with you to the hospitals. - Is this what are you, what are you growing? - Avocado.

- Avocado. - Which, I like, I mean, I love an avocado. - I'm not a avocado. - I'm not a avocado. - It's my favorite food, it's a super food.

- If it's a super food, they always say it's like,

is the most complete food. - But you can't afford in this scenario to be picky about, is this properly right? Well, I think you would have time to game it out. It's one of the, I tell you, yeah.

- I don't mind to slightly crunchy avocado. It's not the end of the world. - I don't prefer that to an old toy. - Yeah, like very much of an Anna. - But to hear the other thing,

and this was inspired, I'll read it a little bit by Send Help. - This is Amy Movie, starring Rachel McAdams. - I'm seeing it. - You, where the avocado can also serve as a moisturizer.

- Okay. - And her skin, other things, she's using coconut. She's gotten more variety. - I did my favorite innovation that she does and that movie is like, when she makes her beautiful

sashimi play, and then she makes the sauce, which I think is just salt water. - Yeah, yeah. She's like, this is the choice. - She's like, should be ingesting that.

- I don't know, let's do a system Amy. - But so, you can eat the avocado. - It's, you know, fats, fiber, speaking of constipation. - But how many, I guess, if you're rationing it, maybe it's appropriate, but that's a lot of avocado.

I do love avocado.

- It's a lot of, I've never hit my limit on avocado.

- Yeah. - I think I have on potato. - My answer is kale. - I genuinely love kale.

“- I consider kale, that's what I'm gonna be”

on like another stomach issue. - I agree. - Why didn't I get too much fiber? - I think that's what I'm saying. - I think that's what I'm saying.

- I just, I feel like-- - How much can I do with that? - Yeah, I feel, until one of my kale crops will be so bountiful as what I think. - And, you know, and also like, you're tummy would hurt.

As my four-year-old would put it, you know? - I eat a lot of kale. - I love kale, too. - What is your one comment that you would put with your avocado?

I'm a kind of kind of stands alone, but what would you? - I would be as well. - Some salt. - I want all of them with the kale. - They have the salt and pepper olive oil for kale.

- So I can't comment on lemon, because it's, that's another growth. - But maybe they have bottles of lemon juice. - You know what I mean? - Oh, interesting. - That's like subpoly to a freshly squeezed lemon.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I mean, is there anything else I could use the lemon for? - I mean, the lemon could also extend the life of the avocado, keep it from browning a little bit. - So, smart, would you have violated orders to send

the message about Mark Mallorita? - Yes, of course. - Just like my ear from it, Anderson. (laughing) - No, you have to do it.

- I think the connection between Mitch and the Hermes crew, like the way he sends them the video message first before the secret message, before the rich for now maneuver instructions, when he sends the video message, to tell them the market's live.

And he's like, they can see him. It's a video message. He's like, hi, it's Mitch Henderson. I'm like, is this like a full first name last name,

like introduction, like they've never interacted

and we're supposed to believe that he would risk his career. - And that part is a little off to me,

“obviously you have to get the message to the Hermes crew”

and allow them to make the decision. That is correct. And Teddy is operating from a position of public and corporate cat or more dead bodies in this space. - He's afraid, which makes sense,

but you gotta do what Mitch does and get the message to them and let them be in control of their own feet and make the decision about-- - And then now the standard would fire you and then you'd be fucking out.

- And then Mallorita would take your access card. - Then you'd be gone. What do you do? - Yeah, you don't do. - Yeah, I agree.

- Yeah, okay, also I don't, I don't like listening to authority, so fuck them. (laughs) - Let's start with the minute. I mean, could you perform surgery on yourself?

- This is the hardest part. I mean, he's clearly, he knows what to do.

- He's fine.

- And I have not been trained.

- That's a podcast, so you've not been trained. - Yeah, in any of it. - We just mentioned this by the way, not to go back to shit once more. - Yeah.

- They're all trained, this is part of like screening to can you hack it as an astronaut and space. To go back to the right stuff, the famous iconic, like, balloon, the balloon sequence. (laughs)

“And it's got to get to the bathroom and time, right?”

Like, they've got to be able to say, I have like a gastrointestinal track that is reliable and trusting and can like operated at this level of consistency, or I'm in control to a certain extent.

- Right, so maybe the like concerns of mere mortals would not be a concern for Mark Wattene and either direction. - That's possible. - You mean constipation? - Just go back to the shit.

- Okay. - Yeah.

- So I'm not sure if you're on the surgery.

- All right, all right. - Train the train to treat me like this. - Who is this? - Is this about fear and pain tolerance? - Five motels and--

- Oh, I don't have a great, I don't have great, find motor skills, but I do also think from a pain tolerance, I wouldn't have fun, but yes, I could do it. - This is very much the scene in the neck.

One Clive of it. - Yes, it's a horror loss. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't really feel like I scientifically, I guess now I've seen enough movies

that I would know I need to get the shrapnel out and then I need to keep it closed. I'm worried about sterilization. - That's stapling, which-- - She's not, I like, you know,

sepsis, the punch show that is to numb, right? - Yes. - Is it also to, I don't know, it's 20-35, so it could be anything.

“- Yeah, I think I would be okay, similar.”

I would actually be like, I'm gonna try. - This is where I die. - Pain towels-- - This is gonna be-- - Oh my god, I was gonna ask a question for you last.

- How far do you last? - I think I died right away, right? - On the operating table or because you didn't try. Like, do you die because you don't attempt to get the shrapnel out or do you attempt

and you're, you bleed out? - I attempt and I get myself enough there. - I get myself an infection of some kinds. - Yeah, yeah. - I think I would miss something and if that's my work.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Maybe miss something, but maybe just I'm afraid I'm gonna miss something. And so I continue to-- - Oh, it becomes like a space madness thing.

The crevice of the wound. I'm like, surely something else is in there. - You might have been a deteriorate. - And yeah, that wouldn't be enough for me. I wouldn't be sold that I had gotten it all.

So at a certain point, I was like, what if I was a vital organ? - Fibers of the suit that might have gone in there. - Right, you know what I mean? - Okay, not a little bit.

If Jessica Chastain only left behind one song instead of an entire library of disco music, which singular track do you think

“could carry you through a year and a half of isolation?”

- Mm, I guess I would want it to be a Bob Dylan song and not a disco song that would be my dream. - And Bob has a lot of long ones. Bob has a lot of long ones. I could just listen to like visions of Johanna,

you know, the time would pass. It would pass. I would love, you know, it'll be able to listen to if you see her say hello, which is like both the beautiful song and a story.

That would be nice. But I actually think that the song across my life that I have probably listened to the most times without ever tiring of including the most times in a row back in high school, Billy Joel,

for the longest time. I could listen to that song a thousand times

in a row and never tired.

- Can my Ancapella group say that in college? - Sing it for me right now. - Which part were you? - If you said good bye to me too. - Could I?

- Could I? - No, no, no, this is correct. - Can I just tell you a personal anecdote? Wait a second, can I actually talk the Acapella group? So I went to a progressive ish for Atlanta

in the time period elementary school that had the big school play every year was led. It went up to sixth grade and so I was led by the sixth graders and it was an adaptation of an opera or an opera. Okay, I would say that some of the costuming

and interpretation choices in those things were less progressive, but again, I'm fully interested in the process. - So it was in the process. - I was on your side. - You bet they did.

- Yeah, okay. But in fifth grade, the fifth graders who were like the juniors would get to write their own play, based on one of the historical, not lessons, but what units that you are doing throughout the year.

And not only would you write the play and then start in it, do the sets, do the costumes or everything was very like DIY. But there was a musical and so the songs were written. Or in this case, new lyrics about the historical unit in question, or set to fantastic, to lyrics.

So our historical, our chosen historical unit was called Digging Below the Surface, so it was Mesopotamia.

- Okay, great.

“- And it was about an archeologist and then one of his very,”

his star, but not very respectful students who are on an archeological dig, learning about Mesopotamia. - Mesopotamia and themselves. - And you said it to Bill and Joel is the longest time. - Like Deemble of the Surface, Deemble of the Surface,

like virtually the theme song, the opening and closing song. I will now sing the chorus for you. - Oh incredible. - Oh, Mesopotamia. - No, I can't, to God.

It doesn't skin. - I love it skin, give us some of the verses. - No, but all Mesopotamia, Mesopotamia, has stayed with me for almost 35 years now. Also, by the way, I was the disrespectful student.

Just so you know, lead, lead role. - Honestly, I'm gonna guess that. - Secondly, incredible. - Chris Ryan has promised to sing on this podcast and never has.

- Yeah. - Coward. - Well, who's delivers? - We will. - Yeah, so now you could have both

for the longest time and Mesopotamia. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I mean, it wasn't one time that you could be you. - This was for what if it said it is just,

- Oh, Mesopotamia. - No. - This is fairly random, but so I disagree with Mark Wattney, disco music rules, anything, her choices

are a little, like, bass and a note is basic. - Exactly. - And we don't even get, like, the full chorus of don't leave me this way, which is such a jam.

It's the best song in this movie. But we also, we recently introduced-- - And make you think about Melon Rouge. - Yes. - Which we recently discussed.

- So we recently introduced my son to Daphne, because he's really into helmet guys, speaking of later and also the Mandalorian. - Yeah, of course. - And the videos are, you know,

some of the better YouTube content you can show us, watch out. So get lucky. - Yes. - Daphne with 4LLMs and now Raiders,

I think that I have probably listened to that song a thousand times.

You know, 'cause it's kind of always on.

It's excellent. It also, like, doesn't really begin and end. So it could just, like, play forever. - Yeah. - And that's just kind of my move

and I'd be bumping around. - I love it. - You know, growing avocados, living my best life. - What if you could only listen to one podcast? - You know, I was stuck in the hat.

- You're gonna have a solo one podcast. - I know what the episode is. It's JFK rewatchables. That's my comfort lesson. I listened to it at least once a year,

and usually around Christmas when it was recorded. (laughing) - Those kind of holidays. - They get to the left. - Guys, being weirdos, trying to solve the JFK

assassination is why I love them. - Right. - And are you gonna sub it out moving forward for Bill, just without any warning, just saying to Sean and Chris, come over.

Not gonna tell you why. And then he just says these are the 50-minute- - No, it's 16, we live at least. - And then, let number one devil wears product,

is I always feel close to Bill.

- That's why I thought it was my dad. - That is my dad. - That is my dad. - That is why Bill is my number one forever. - Would devil wears product be the one movie? - That you picked?

- If you could watch one movie forever. - And they happen, then they're over. And then on the Hermes. - Yes, probably. - Like a movie, I like Bill.

- Like Bill, I like Bill. - Like Bill, the movie that I've watched the most. - What movie would make me, could we do? - Could we smuggle the whole trilogy? - I would say more of the ring trilogy.

- If we can do it extended it. - Yeah, extended it. (laughing) - That'll get us through so many souls. - We have kale.

- Yeah, maybe potatoes, kale, and Laura the ring. - Laura the ring extended it. - I'm picking LCD sound system, all my friends.

“It was an eight minute song, and then that's what it does”

and make you really depressed? - No.

- I feel like it's an amazing song, but I guess I also,

I associate it with the Greenberg trailer that Noah Bomback, and guess what I know. And which, but I love Greenberg. - Yeah. - I think it's important to write letters,

letting people know how you feel. But I associate it with like a young, grumpy, slightly on edge phase of my life, which was being in my late 20s. - So, but I'm young and grumpy eternally.

- It's beautiful. - That's great, with kale. - Well, Irbin, would you turn the Hermes around and give it up more years of your life to save Mark Wadney?

- No question. - What about to save Amanda Dobbins? - Without hesitation. - Why about to save Joanna Robinson? - Are you kidding?

- Right, of course. - Amanda. - Here is the thing. I mean, yes, except, I can't believe that they allow people with children to go on these missions.

- This is my thing. - See, they think they'll go with his kids. - Like, it's got a lot of them, too. - Yeah.

“- And I guess, originally, it was only supposed to be what?”

Like, they're adding 533 days. - That's true. - It's supposed to be your most interesting.

how long is the original mission? - The original Hermes mission, I'm not sure. - Well, they are heading home early. So, we're adding the extra time onto a short mission 'cause the storm hits on Soul 18, Mark Wigs on Soul 19,

that's much less time. - Only says the movie, how many souls they were supposed to be there? - Yes, which I remember. - 31, but they have 68 souls worth.

- Right, they were done, I'm just trying to understand. - So, how long are these people originally supposed to be away from there? - Well, I don't know how long it takes to get to Mark. - Is it back?

- It's 23, 25. - Is it?

“- I think, 'cause we hear that the probe”

is gonna take nine months to get there. The one that the misfire, the initial iris probe, I think. But there's also a lot of discussion about the film about like Earth and Mars are in the wrong position to be doing a launch.

- So, obviously, that impacts the time, based on where we're at, as I understand it, not the scientists. - Like, I am thinking through how long, but I would allow my husband. But I'm just saying, I think there,

I mean, this is what first man is about

to a certain degree, but like, there are some people, I think, who just want to go to space. - Yes, they're calculus has the extra element of, it's not just the added time. - And Lewis insists on the unanimous vote,

so that she's like, hey, you know, Martinez, like, we're military. We're gonna get court-martialed. Everybody else, and again, this is like seven days of year, who just wanted to be on the sea.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - My life is full of my ladies to see, and I have kids, but I don't really care. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. But like, they have the, there's the question

of like, will they, you know, 'cause Vogue has that line, like, it's gonna be more than 900 days. I'm set, actually, I'm good. I don't need to come back if they don't let us come back, but there is this question of like,

you have become one of the people who has done something that only it's so many people in the history of the world, the history of mankind have done, and then what if you come back and you're like, you're in space jail, like, that's all taken away.

From you, they have to weigh that aspect of it. The fact that it's so easy for them makes complete sense to me because they are a crew, they are a family. I love at the beginning and that stretch that looks odd to us visually now.

We get to just hear the way they talk to each other. - Yeah, we get to the joke, we get that one. Martinez and Watney finally are able to message each other. There's the, you can feel the authenticity of the relationships, but also like the friendship

and the affection, plus there's the guilt and the shame and the sense of duty, leave no man behind, right? So, frankly, not that they would have any reason to believe they could go back, and that's obviously why the entire rich pernell maneuver

plot line exists. It has to be this like bold idea, and we can only, you know, the pro. There's only one pro, we got to pick one of these. - Yeah, we got a slingshot.

- When they get tied down. - It's forever slingshot. - Plastic applause. - We got to do a slingshot forever slingshot. - See, I think that they should,

when they found out Mark was alive,

“should they have been like, can we go back to get 'em?”

- Sure, they have. - No bad ideas in the brainstorm, David Jacobiism. Hey, NASA, anyway, we could go back to get 'em. They know that Hermes is meant for the entire area's mission. - Right, but they,

right, but at that point, they don't have enough supplies. - No, but should they have been like, "Hey guys, any chance." Just like everyone else on Earth is like, we're gonna try to think of every possible question

and answer questions. - Stop using so much ketchup. - We gotta go back. - Sure, the Hermes crew would be like, "Here are some thoughts and ideas and questions

"and they could have the geniuses back home, "like, maybe work on this a little bit." Sort of interesting that that doesn't happen. - All right, we covered music, we covered movies. Last question is, if there is,

Mark is watching some happy days in on Mars, there are one TV show that you would pick to sustain you for the one that I mean,

obviously there are a lot of shows I never get tired of watching,

that'll start game of their own, you know, painful though the last couple of seasons are. My answer for like thing that feels the most satisfying to return to no matter how many times you do it is lost. However, I wonder if that would be the best choice

in this circumstance where you are stranded on your going home or so. - I know so.

“- It might be too much, but maybe could I find inspiration there?”

- But there's no space coconut. You know what I mean? Like jungle inspiration for you too, translate. - What if I could find Smokey? - Okay, keep things interesting.

- Oh, man, what are you watching in space? - I just went gut instinct the crown, at least the first five seasons. - It's just an incredible dot in space. - Well, just a first of all, immersive.

- Not the season we covered. - No, I said seasons one through five of the seasons. - Five is a little borderline, but at least if they just want to redo season six and recap, like recap for re-conceptualize,

I'd be open to it. I obviously watch any prequels that they want to make. But it's really just gonna take you out of your current state. - Yeah, maybe it's a comedy, a good idea. - I would do shit's creek.

- That is like a... - That's a really different one. - That's a really different one.

- I can always vibe out with shit's creek.

- All right, I'm gonna do surezy. - Oh, I'll say. - Then I'm gonna look around and there I'm gonna be no one. There to say I give your balls a tug too. And I'll realize how alone I am.

- All right, last but not least, this is tier three.

Bonus, unhinged space round. This is a gift for Amanda Dobbins. - Totally right. - And this is just like we're pulling back the curtain to let you at home know that sometimes not very often,

but sometimes Amanda will text us questions that Knox has about Star Wars. - Yeah. And specifically, I guess he does have some Star Wars questions too, but I just haven't notes apped.

- Correct. - No questions? - No, okay, three questions. - And yeah, so to give everyone a quick primer, just how Knox's situation is.

- And to my son is four years old. And a very curious and wonderful kid. - And I just feel really honored when you text us. - I mean, not only honored that you text us, but particularly honored that you have Knox's

to go and listen to this podcast. - Yeah, thank.

- Lie to your child by telling him

that we know the people who made this movie. - Because my son has he gone right to the source. - Because he's not allowed to have characters at school. So he only knows about the pop culture that we give to him, still, because he's young

and goes to a preschool where you can't wear, you can't wear a Star Wars shirt or whatever to school. So he does know a lot about filmmaking because we're nerds. - Yes.

- So he knows that there are directors of the movie, and if he wants me to ask the directors of the movie, and more specifically email them. - Yeah, yeah. - Oh, I mean, because he's a dot email.

- I'll text that. And I said, I'm going to text my friends who know the directors.

“So, which I think is so, he asked a lot of questions.”

He saw the trailer for the Mandalorian and Grogu before as Utopia 2, a film that I thought stunk. And I'll shut, like, unnecessary. This is like real tip of the show. They let me take a day off from ballet for no reason.

The whole news on the music picture is just like about patents and like propaganda. It's not like cool. So, where are you at? - We went together and 25 minutes in my son turned to me.

And I was like, this is not hoppers because he was promised an animal in the middle, but once the animals showed up, it would be original. - Yeah, it would be original.

- And that by him went hand was very funny. - Great. - And I'm seeing it. - I can't wait. I was into Loaf, who's the hopper,

who doesn't, who's stoned all the time. - Whoa. - So wonderful. - Knox was really into the green baby. - To Grogo.

- As he first saw him in the night,

to count as his name as to this. - To his name as Grogo, and he still calls him Grogo. - I love him. - On this. - And how did he meet Grogo?

- Because he doesn't watch the Mandalorian, right? - So then I told Sean Fantasy, my co-host on the big picture and a close friend, that Knox really responded to the Mandalorian and Grogo trailer. And in, and this was right for Christmas,

like in King-- - That was the first time he saw Grogo was in the trailer. - Yes. - The first time. - Yes.

- Oh wow. - And so in King Toy Grogo, for Christmas, in his little ship, which Knox calls a boat. And then over Christmas, you're like, okay, well, it was raining all the time.

So then he got to watch the original Star Wars, which he does not understand at all. And he calls, it's dark Vader and blue skywalker are the names and I would say most of our Star Wars content at this point is watching videos of John Williams,

conducting Yenne Philharmonic playing the Star Wars videos.

“Which is honestly one of the most amazing things”

I've ever seen because all of these Viennese and the international musicians at this and the Viennaph Philharmonic are like so overcome with childlike wander at getting to play. - Oh my God.

- It's, there's a whole, they did a whole concert. I mean, John Williams says these all the time, but I really recommend that John Williams Viennaph Philharmonic series. But so he doesn't know anything except the trailer

and a new hope, which he's seen a few times. - Okay. - He's the only scene a new hope of the, he didn't go. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, I think so he's still young

and you haven't introduced him to Ewoks yet and you don't know. - No, he doesn't know about Ewoks. And he doesn't really... - That's not a big plock, right?

- Yeah, okay. - Yeah, really like recap plots for all the more reasons to show him the Ewoks. - But he does have a sense of the mood of something. - There we go.

“- So I think like Empire Strikes Back will freak him out.”

But there's been more Grogu introduced in to our lives entirely by Shawn and then our friend Nick and he knows that the movie's coming out in May, okay? And just every so often randomly he will ask me random questions about Grogu that I cannot answer.

So as he knows that Uncle Chris has said on the public record, he refuses to answer. - That's right, but I have corrected Chris on the public record that Chris will be taking on.

and Knox ran up to him and the first thing he said was

does the Mandalorian have a face? Which is something I was able to answer. - So that's not one of the questions that will be asking on this topic. - I do like how many I know that one.

- I'm looking at the music and I do like how many times we see Pedro Pascal's face in the most recent trailer. They're like, we know the joke. We know you're wondering if he's actually in this story. We got Pedro on set for this one.

- We're gonna show you like four different times where you're gonna see his face. - Smart, yeah. So here are the questions that I've written down on this notes app as he asks them.

- Okay.

“- Number one, and his question is, does Grogu go to Earth?”

- No. - No, so, but I would like to extend it a little bit so that I can answer him. - He goes to many planets in the Mandalorian though. - Sure, yeah.

- Does Earth does not exist in the timeline? So it's a different timeline. - It's a different galaxy far away. - That doesn't mean that Earth doesn't exist

in our galaxy at the same time.

It's a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. But there are galaxies far far away right now. - Absolutely. - How do you know that the Earth doesn't exist? So a long running Star Wars discussion point

is like when Han says, see you in hand, forever, right? They're like, but that's how we talk. - Right. - You know what I mean? - He just died very early.

- He's back on the menu boy. - Yeah, exactly. This idea is very like Earth's bound human turn of phrase and I end concept of real. But Knox will not be seeing Earth at any point in Star Wars.

- Right. - Would you prefer we give a different answer so Knox can hope that someday Grogu will come here? - No, no. - But it's not like a multiverse thing.

And just like even in the multiverse, like it's I understand, I've read the credits. A great thing when we watch a new hope is whether I'm allowed to read the credits allowed to turn on, sometimes I am, sometimes I'm not.

- Okay.

- So one time it started, he said,

Mama don't film me because I have a lot of videos of him watching the beginning of Star Wars. He doesn't want to be content. But it's a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. - Yeah.

- But that doesn't mean that our planet doesn't exist. - I know it's not for sure, but Earth will not be featured. - So Earth is not featured in Star Wars, but it could exist. - It could exist.

- It could exist. - It could exist. - And no one has shown any knowledge of the existence of Earth. - Correct, no.

- Okay, great, thank you. I'll just let him know that it's in a different galaxy. He knows about galaxies because we checked out in the cyclic BDS based in cyclic BDS. - He doesn't need to know about Earth.

- He needs to start learning about the outer rim. - No, that's where he's got a bigger one. - Okay, he's got a question. - Why does the Mandalorian have a cape? - Oh, interesting.

- A lot of them do. - Yeah. - Yeah. - The most recent Mandalorian stuffed Mandalorian that we were given from Bishan for his birthday.

- Yeah. - Has a cape. - And we don't know why. - What does he use the cape more? - Well, he's not a superhero.

- I would say-- - Isn't he? - I mean, this is related, but not soft and refers to him as a knight. - Oh, interesting, because it looks like he's wearing

'cause he's wearing the silver. - Yeah, like a suit of armor. - And this all comes from Boba Fett. - That's a thing. - And the thing with Boba Fett is I remember them,

I watched documentary on this and they were designing Boba Fett. And there was like, I wouldn't point the, like, tie to towel around his, like, you know, just to like see how a cape would look.

“So I think it just came down to this is not a great answer”

for Knox necessarily, but like came down to like, how do we make the armor look cool and regal and like exciting? And that's the whole thing about Boba Fett is like famously, he looked so cool that people thought he was gonna be

this huge, important character and then he's bored, he's not. Though I have some notes 'cause I would not put a cape anywhere near a jet top. - This is the thing.

'Cause there are certain aspects of, I think that's exactly the right answers. Like it's a part of the genuinely iconic original costume from which all of their Mandalorian designs stem. - Okay, so it's a fashion thing.

- It's fashion, it's like he's cute. - Tell me off me. - He understands. - Oh, Knox, he's dropping a fit. - He gets that.

- Yeah, Knox understands it. Sometimes you just want to look chic as you say. - Exactly. - Look at, wow, he says chic. - Yeah, we talk.

- Yeah, we talk. - That's what I'm gonna say. - That's what I'm gonna say. - This is amazing. - So when we dress up, he's like, "Mommy, you look chic, it's great."

- I love it. This is what an angel.

“I think that Joe is right that there are certain aspects”

of what either did genre or like a Mandalorian more generally would do and be engaging in the jet pack is a great one that like the pairing with the cape feels impractical however, I think there are other aspects where

either the additional, the warmth that that can provide you, you know, cozying up your out on a mission on a desert planet. - You don't think it's modern. - You don't think it's modern that armor?

- I mean, it's fucking, I think it's gnarly in that armor. - It's boiling. - It's going to be taken off. - He's like matted with sweat. - But, you know, it can just like kind of wreck.

- He's got some kind of grogos. - Oh, grogos. - That grogos hiding in and then he's kind of like - Like a little broken from him and hiding him. - Oh, oh.

- There's, I think it's practice. I think you need to wish and drama. - What you need to be warming.

And I don't want anyone to know when I can hide it

“for a second and then, let me know if you want to know”

about the, the van brace. - I don't think he knows what that is yet. - That's exactly right. - Yeah, and this one, I have sent you before, but I thought it was a pretty good discussion topic.

And I really didn't know how to answer it. - 'Cause it's about the age.

- Well, no, it's more essential.

Is grogos a human or an animal. - And so I, listen, let's talk about it. - And let's talk about it. - He's a being, but how do you explain a being to a four-year-old, because I found myself.

- He's another race of being. - He's a, he's a, so, you know, my first instinct as I told you. - 'Cause he does not know you, he's a, he's a mammal and I was like, well, that's not right

because that's what it was my first. - And then, exactly right. - No, but he doesn't know he doesn't know that you're there. - I don't know what you're talking about. - Yeah, he does, but he's not like super into Chupaca.

- Okay. - And also, however, you're gonna, so this isn't a thing, because as soon as I said, well, he's a mammal and I was like, I guess it's not really, and also how am I gonna explain

what a mammal is to you. 'Cause that's, that's Earth's centric. So then Zach was like, he's an alien. And then I was kind of like, he's an IBS. - He's so, but, for sure.

- And, but an alien, again, is he where you and say so. - Is very Earth's centric. That's right. - And it's just a, there is a different galaxy, where there are all different types of things.

- That's why I'm saying being. - He's an animal being. - He's an animal being. - Yeah, yeah. - So you came through with species.

And then you told me there was like, he's just part of the same species as Yoda and you know, who, like, you could show, not believe I said, an accessory. - Which is good.

- That's more of a funny writing problem. - Sure. - Yeah. - And frankly, outraged is a form of being. I was on board with being for the first season.

- And since they have, all he does is Babel and Koo. - He's a baby. - He's a pet. - He's a 50 year old baby. - Well, first of all, I would say that they weaponized him.

- A pet. - He's a, they put a weapon. - He's saying they put a weapon on that baby. - Yeah. - Also, sure he had the little dog.

- No, I'm saying, if he's a baby, you're putting weapons on the baby. - He's a baby. - He's a baby. - He's a family.

- He's a family. - It's an animal. - No, it's a pet. - You're a weapon on an animal? - It depends on the animal.

- Laces on dolphins. - God. Way to put it to noxies. - Armored bears? - Well, I mean, you know, I love an armored bear.

His dark material's high, I've always went global ages.

- Yes.

“- And I think frankly, Star Wars fans live in fear of this moment”

because it's so precious when he Babel's and Koo's. He will, he will spears in, he might have seen it. - 'Cause they're like, wouldn't it be cute if Yoda was a baby? - True. - And now they're like, we're afraid to let this baby age.

And so we're just, - Well, he became an aggressive development. - I believe Babel he was doing, he's in his early 50s. He's been through some trauma. - I mean, he's gonna,

- I wouldn't say he's got hundreds and hundreds of years of life ahead of him. - And I brought, let's still listen. So I, this is his home to my, crazy. I kind of agree with both of you

because I brought this alive to my four-year-old by you explained some of the timelines. And I was like, you know what, Naxi? He is about Baby Yoda, I'm sorry. Grogo is about the same age in Yoda years is what I said.

I said he's about the same age as your little brother, who is 18 months? - I think he's more like, Naxi. - Just started cooing, just stopped cooing and has some words, but he's going to...

- And we still make a room for their parents. - And those other people can speak, and he's just babbling at cooing. - What size basically are pet? - I love him so much.

And he has an incredible future,

but I spend all of my time either taking care of his shit, trying to keep him from going into something that he's not supposed to go into. - Yes. - You running off, he's like, he's the king of mischief.

- Uh-huh. - And he can say the word rascal. - That's a cool neckling. - King of mischief. - Yes, a cool neckling.

- And rascal is a great word. - And I, I just have to like make sure that he's not causing problems at all times. So he is not, here's the knot. - And it's on derogatory, you love a pet,

but here's, I love my son. - Here's my pet right now. - I just want everyone to take it.

“- I think you're describing this to tell us what.”

- Baby, you know, because here's why, because sometimes when the plot doesn't want Grogo around for whatever they're doing, to join, we'll just sort of like leave him at a closet. - Yes.

- Well, he used to do that a lot more in the olden days when he wished I might do with a butt pet, but now I would not do with a baby. - I wouldn't be in pet in the closet if it's a safe closet and they haven't even brought it.

- But much, he's bringing him with him and they should know where to monitor him, right? - Right, but that was a very, that was like really very seasoned one in the closet, you know? - That was very seasoned one.

Like every episode needs somebody to babysit Grogo.

with him going through traversing the caverns and man the lower, like being adopted. - Yeah, and just being like, ah, which is not a developed person being. - But he's young, he has to learn to speak still.

That means he can't be a being.

“- But here's what I think is there never going to”

- He's expressing himself for a long time. - Barely. - Barely. - But remember when he took the blue macaroons and ate them and then threw up on himself

and he was like, oh, yeah, that was great. - That is very, very sweet.

- That was like the first time I threw up for the first time

really, and he threw up and then he was just like, what happened? I don't know what throwing up. - Guess what, I see my cat do that. - Yeah.

- Okay, I think cats are at the same time point. - Cats are people. - Cats are like more advanced than many people. - Sure, okay, so broguys is that. - My hope is that I will develop.

- Okay. - And I know too. - I doubt that brogui will ever be allowed to develop because they do not want that. - I think they're talking.

- That's reasonable actually. I think that it's a risk to have him start speaking. - Much like you told me to talk about it. - They just need to spend some more time around kids because like giving him one word

and even one word, and then he's like, - When he's like in a group, how do you think like that little girl monsters? - Thank you. - Yeah, yeah.

- I just thought I think group. - My personal special. - Very special. - He's very he works. - I will reconsider this.

- Of course. - I guess we consider this when Dinger when

Grugus says Dinger and for the first time.

Or even Daddy or Dad. - Is that one about what he's got - He's got the custom... - Rondell played of armor. - I would say don't armor a baby.

- Don't put it on baby. - Don't put weapons on a baby. You can't say he's a baby. And then be like, "Pay ball!" - He's just a little baby,

but I also put the armor and weapons on it. - No, I think he's more like,

“I don't think he's a baby, but I think he's more like,”

he's in the like, I don't know exactly what his age of equivalent is, but when he went to the class with basically the elementary school age children, he obviously hadn't developed as far as they have

but I was like, this isn't crazy to me. - But he's here, they didn't put a person in board, he huffed a bunch of macaroons and vomit in them. - He uses the force of an exhaust him for a long time, didn't didn't understand

that he needed to feed him. - And so Grogo had to end my life. - He finally did. - He's in the water. - He's in the water.

- Exactly. He's in the water. - He's in the water. That's something a bad would do. - It's also something a young child would do,

who's still learning. - How many times did I eat so many cat Perry cream eggs? - I do that still, I'm 39. - Yeah, damn it. - All right, so that's your answer.

Okay, thank you so much. We've, I think he's literally right here. - It's literally right here. - It's honestly the best way.

“- It's like what to repart the group channel”

bring it onto a microphone. - I'm delighted that Knox has discovered a love for Star Wars that Alice has discovered a love for Star Wars. - It's a magical time.

- And it is interesting too, because I am not a person who I've seen them but I don't know. - Will you show him the animated television shows? - I think he'd love them.

- No, I have to tell you that I let him sit with me through a couple of the animated feature films nominated for Oscars. - I heard you talk about this on the podcast. - Yeah, listen, and the worst movie

watching experience of my life was watching a little omelette or the character scene, they're so depressing. - Well, that's not the problem.

The problem is that my four-year-old was just like,

who's that? What are they doing? What's that rain doing? What are they talking about? - And it's like Jesse Buckley at the end of Hamlet

when it's like, what's going on? - On the stage. - I can't go back to Hamlet for it. - I can't go back with you. - I can't.

- I was, I was, I cried talking about Hamlet. So you can't say I didn't give it my fair shot but I just, I don't enjoy, and that's okay. - That type of theater or film watching once people are emotionally connected, it's great.

- Hey, Mama, why, who's that guy? - An conclusion. Amanda is an anti-interstellar anti-handit pro-digging below the surface. - Yeah, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, but, but, but, but, but, but, but it's been as promised,

a count of count on him in the episode. - So this is actually about the merchandise, um, and a great time. - We won't thank you so much to Amanda. - Thank you for having me. - Thank you, you're true.

- And what a delight. - A luminous being if there ever was one friend. - But we come back. - Well, we're, we're gonna talk about schedule like a traffic pattern.

- But with you too, yeah, for you too, it's worth it. - The podcast, yes, you're undecided on this. - On this too, yeah, okay, with both of you as a delight. - Thank you for having me. - Thank you to Mallory Rubin.

- Thank you to Joanna Robinson. - Thank you to Carlos Tereboga. - Thank you to the entire team here, helping us today, Jake Cranett, Chris Waller's is here. Join me at dinner on the social or general regal pal.

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