One Year of IMO with Michelle and Craig

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“Hey everyone, our podcast IMO has officially reached its first anniversary.”

And this past year has been filled with so much fun and so many special moments from heart to hearts with Taraji P. Henson to the complexities of parent child relationships with Bruce Springsteen, hilarious sibling stories with Damon and Maro and Wayne's.

And even a controversial opinion on ketchup from my husband. The first year of IMO has brought

us some truly unforgettable moments. And while these conversations have given us the opportunity to connect with some of our favorite people and share our perspectives with each of you. What I love most about this show is I get to do it with my big brother Craig. Oh, you're sweet, me. I am. This year has been life-changing and there's no one I'd want to have these conversations with and you. To our IMO listeners, thank you for joining us on this journey.

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Yeah, yeah. His sister was vicious. Yeah, yeah. The violent time in this kid, Baldi Joe was beat me up and he was like a 16 year old kid. My sister had corn rolls. She's about 250 pounds. She said, come in. She grabbed him by his arms like this and she said, Molling, punch him in the face. I was like, you're finally going to beat me. She said, if you don't punch him,

I'm going to punch you. I was like, wow. And you know, my sister's always always had my back

and out. I think like my brother, because I slow Keenan get beat up. Like bad. Like so Keenan used to walk around and come through slippers. Like he was just a clean gym kid. He loved he had no chucks. He would have like he and he was really good. He would kick the ceiling. And then one day he got into a fight with this dude Bobby Boyd in the, in the, in the building, in the mommy of the building. And Keenan, you know, everybody's like, oh snap. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Keenan went to take off

his shirt. And the dude snatched him. Well, like with his shirt. And just one pummeled him. And like, Keenan was on the floor.

“And I'm like, get up, Keenan, you should do this. I can't do it. I'm hang of your shirt. Oh, no. This guy's out. Don't be kidding. If you do make sure you take a”

shirt. It's like, oh man, Bruce Lee didn't hit him. Don't like yourself. And you shirt. And now on. You know, when I hear you talk about the, the practice, what I'll call the practice of no, because you're you're absolutely right. And I know that everyone struggles with disappointing people with trying to set boundaries. But I particularly relate to, you know, what you were saying about, it takes you a while before you, you know, maybe as a woman as a black woman, where we feel comfortable saying,

no, I'm sitting here thinking, well, why is that? And why was that for me? Because this is something that I am working on right now. You know, I, I, but like you, I believe in therapy, my whole life, you know, done a couple therapy with my husband, both my girls are, they believe in therapy.

“This generation, thankfully, I think our children more open are way more open to it. They understand”

the importance of self-help and all of that. Also sort of realize that, you know, even Michelle Obama, I am still trying to tell myself that I am doing enough,

right, because there's always that feeling. I think we practice that striving, because in order to

be successful, I always felt like I had to be smarter, faster, work harder, because somebody was

knew me or even try. So you're getting, and I don't think this is unique to just women of color.

“I don't think it's just unique to men, but when you get in that habit of that constant striving”

and constant proving that, you know, it's enough. It makes us overachievers, but you don't ever turn that off. And at 60, I was still, I had to convince myself that I had done enough. After all, then I had done in the world. I still felt a guilt, right, struggling with like deep guilt. That maybe maybe I needed to do a little bit more. So I met this stage in life where I have to

define my life on my terms for the first time. So what are those terms? And going to therapy,

just to work all that out. Like, what happened that eight years? Uh-huh. We were in the White House. What did that do to me? Yes. Internally, my soul, we, we made it through. We got out of life.

“I hope we made the country proud. My girls thank God our whole. But what happened to me? Right. Right.”

Right. And going through therapy, you know, is getting me to look at the fact that it may be maybe finally I'm good enough. Right. And unlearning some of those messages that I've been saying to myself and then trying to actively practice something different to rewire those neurons in my head that make me keep pushing and keep striving. And so practicing know in a very different way intentionally. But then this is what makes it hard because, you know, my decision to skip the

inauguration, you know, what people don't realize or my decision to make choices at the beginning of the year that suited me were met with such ridicule and criticism. Like, people couldn't believe that I was saying no for any other reason that they had to assume that my marriage was falling right, you know. It's like, well, I'm here really trying to own my life and intentionally practice making the choice that was right for me. And it took everything in my power to not do the

thing that was right or that was that was perceived as right. But do the thing that was right for me. That was hard thing for me to do. I had to basically trick myself out of it and it started

with not having anything to wear. I mean, I had affirmatively because I'm always prepared for

in a funeral, anything. I walk around with the right dress. I travel with clothes just in case something pops off. So I was like, if I'm not going to do this thing, I got to tell my team, I don't even want to have a dress ready, because it's so easy to just say, let me do the right thing.

“But then you become a shock absorber. Yeah. And that's what women are. Yeah. Shock absorbers. Yeah.”

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“In my opinion, and this is controversial in my family, you should not eat ketchup after the”

age of eight. Is that all kind of events or just ketchup? No, no, let's just get going down and age on that one. You know, I think every time you say it, you make it younger and younger and pretty soon, it'll relax. We don't have a ketchup monster on this show, and that will, that we won't know. I have nothing. We here at IMO have nothing against ketchup. I have nothing against kids having ketchup, ketchup on their burgers, ketchup for their fries, even, even,

which is hard for me to watch, ketchup on hot dogs. But at a certain point, you got to kind of grow. Why are you cutting the people off of ketchup? So, young dude, that's the, that's what we, that's what we take issue with in our household.

“It, it, it might be a little too. Thank you a little bit. Draconian. I think that's the”

word. Draconian. I think I got, I'm trying to describe a general point of view, which is ketchup is, it has its place. But, you see, but it sounds like you're saying ketchup is childish. Now, what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is is that when I see a grown person porn, a lot of ketchup on something, it's at the end. Is it the end? Is it the end? Is it the end? Is it the end? Is it the end? Is it the end? Is it the end? Is it the end? Or is it a dollar?

You know, like, I told you this was controversial in my camera. I see, but I, I figured, I'm coming in here hot. Well, and now you know that in addition to like, click in my teeth along the straw to get on your nerves. I just have a dollop of ketchup, right? And every meal,

just to be like, that, that explains a lot because there's always ketchup at your house.

So it's not like we're battling against the man. We are trying to live our lives with ketchup, freedom for ketchup. He's the only one. Everybody else is pirated. He's the only one. In fact, the girls have all these complicated, oh, you mix it with this. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It hasn't rubbed off. He's had no internet in our house. There's no, there's no no one's following. He's lead. Okay. Okay. That was, that's a tough one. It's never hard. It's, it's harsh. It is. It's hard. It might have been on the

couch. I mean, I know. Every time he says that the age goes down, your mother is going down.

We've got to just say, hey, I'm just thinking about how much children like that's all. They,

“they don't even want the ketchup is the actual, it's the media. It's the delivery system. Now you're”

just, you know, just taking it. But we appreciate your opinion. There you go. I want to get back to because one thing I didn't ask about child, you were, you were emancipated at 13. Is that? I've read that. Yeah. If you read that about yourself, I just don't know. Tell us more about, yeah. It's not often that, you know, and 13. And what led to that? Did you just walk out the door? Did you just say, hey, okay. Thank you,

everyone. I'm going to take all my books, and I'm on my own. I don't know how to put this without Santa for seizures, but if, if you came from a Bible reading, believing family. Yeah. And you already knew I was finna do, which is, is dead. Okay. Bounce. Okay. Okay. Now go five-temple to turn over tables. Like, this is the life of a Christian

Revolutionary. I got to you way ahead of me, because even if I wanted to leave at 13,

I wouldn't have had the nerve to do it. Nor the wherewithal that I could do it. It was a terrible idea. All right. Here we go. I don't talk about it because I don't want any young person to hear

“that and think that it's possible. But I think hearing it off. Hearing that it's terrible is useful.”

But it wasn't. It wasn't terrible. No. I'm the adventurer in this story. Are you kidding me? Okay. Let me now, Sarah. I'm grown. I've got a mustache. I said, I'm 12. Welcome. I was in my house. I'm picturing a little cat, because you have the stick in your, your goods and a little Archie. No. Did you walk out? I had a full suitcase and a wrought while they're puppy. So, if you left with that. That's thinned for failure. It's like

and independent. I'm taking a responsibility. Exactly. It's like, man, and I'll take this puppy. So where'd you go? Where was the first place you when your puppy wrought while puppy went when you

left your house? Miami floored. You went to a whole another state. That was always the thing.

So I went to a truck stop. Oh, the best place to go. Wow. Because everybody's going out of here. And so then I checked license plates because I was looking for a warm destination. And I was hoping for LA or California, but Miami presented itself and the guy let me and the right while they're puppy getting the back part. Wow. The empty truck and he was stopped everyone. So, how did you have any money? Well, what, what? I was loaded. I was loaded. I must have had $1,200.

You could not have told me that I was $1,000,000. How did you get this money?

“So the only thing I was allowed to do, I was allowed to cut grass in the summer. And I was allowed”

to shovel snow in the winter. So I probably had 60 clients on each. Yeah, I don't know. You were an entrepreneur. I own a lawnmower in the shovels and wow. And so me having money just gave me the ability to not have to wear the clothes that my parents wanted me to wear to school. Like a wear that out, go change, get into something fly and presentable for school. And then like I was living multiple lives, but the money made it possible for me to have that freedom.

And I learned that pretty early on. What was your alter ego with your money when you went to school? Were you one way at home? Because you were dressing different. And then you took your lawnmower money. And went to school in your whatever. Who were you? I had a relationship with the candy lady. So I was in sales already. And I was buying at a wonderful price upselling and supply and schoolmates. So you were that kid. You were the kid that had the non-laders.

Plus I had money. So I didn't have to. I was able to treat the women that I liked. Nice. Really nice. I learned that supplying happiness to people. So you were money money early? Yes. Money, Michael.

Which he came me like it's all planned out. But you know, God showed me early on that there was this path when I wasn't really certain of how to make sure that I was on it. Or Wow. So you get to Miami. Yeah. So you get to Miami with your puppy. Hey, this trip probably only took us maybe three days at the most. Maybe two. It was a really nice ride. But there. So

I'm there. And I just had never seen a place so big with so many different neighborhood

and different culture and ethnicity every three blocks. And it was really a bit of a culture shock. But I found a place in Coconut Grove at a park. And that's where I made my residence. And it was across the street from a library. And so I was eight hours a day. I would be in a library

“reading. And so you just camped out literally. Literally. Did you buy a tent with your money?”

No, man. So you just laying out on the grass with your puppy at 13-year-old? No, no, no, no, no, no. That was the street to the library. Set segment of population that this was kind of a in the homeless world. This was kind of a gated community. This park by the wood and marina behind it. So you can't encroach in Coconut Grove. So yeah, I was able to purchase a brand new mattress. The first day I was going to have to sleep.

So I've never slept on the ground. And remember, my clothes are all dress clothes. I only have

slacks and white shirts and dives. Is anybody like I'm just trying to picture. I can't have any of this. And I'm still like are you telling the truth that you're joking? Because I'm like still trying to picture you. You went and bought a mattress. How do you get the mattress to the park? I mean, I think they delivered. Oh, you went to a store and you had them deliver your mattress to the park. There's a homeless hierarchy in the place that I was at. Did you? It was a guy who was

“in charge of whether or not you got to be there or not. How did you get this in that you should be there?”

I did. I've lived, I have a presence. Yes, you do. And I'm one of the people that doesn't have ulterior motives. And most people I found do. But even at that age, I didn't have any. And as far as we're concerned, you're in our family. Oh, you feel that way? Sure, you feel it. I mean, I mean, they are just sitting here and talking about that path. I mean, I don't think that well, you must hear this all the time, but

yeah, we had a happy, beautiful family, right? But your talent, your gifts, the structure of your show, how you showed up in it. Like Craig said, you know, your humanity before the show, your honesty throughout your career. I mean, that kind of stuff has been as impactful to my development as my parents, right, because that's the role modeling. You know, you see a smart woman,

because of what is clear through this is that you've always been that woman, smart, courageous,

bold, and you just brought that to your show. And that came into our living rooms as part of an

“important experience of seeing what you could be. You're going to make me cry. Oh, thank you.”

I'm so touched and moved. You mean the world to us. And thank you. You know, you know what I want to do. I want to sing. It's so nice. At the time, together, just to have a laugh or sing a song. Please, we just get started and before you know it comes the time we have to say so long. All these youngsters have no idea what we're doing. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I've got chills.

staying in an Airbnb home instead of staying at a hotel. We would have had an opportunity to eat together, watch film together, as well as control the curfew of a bunch of 13 year old boys. I also think that it would have given our parents a break from their children.

“As you can imagine coming together as a team outside of the game is as important as what you”

do on the court. And having the ability to hang out together at an Airbnb would have given us that extra opportunity to bond. And if you're thinking about the big tournaments that come into your town, now is a great time to think about hosting fellow fans and players during the season. I mean, as a kid, I was very concerned about stability. And my mom, my mom was an amazing person, but she was not very parental and my dad had died. And I very much wanted to know what was happening.

And I used to read my mom's journal. He's the monitor or phone calls. I wanted to know what was coming down the pipe. And I started working when I was 12 to earn money because I was very concerned about my mom's on shaky financial footing. And even though the world probably thought she was super rich, but she spent a lot of money and had no sense of money. And I knew this from a little kid. And I remember I was actually walking up the stairs one day and my mom was in the phone.

And she said, starting the money, the phone, she said, well, I'll always be able to make money.

And I stopped. And I was like, this ship is going down. I was like, if she thinks she's always going to be able to do this. Like, and how were you when you heard that? I was like 12. So you knew. Yeah, I knew. I knew we were really on. Yeah. You, the oldest. No, I was the, I was the, I was the, I was the, my brother was two years older. But he wasn't as, like, focused on this as much as I was. I was really determined.

And yeah, I started, I mean, there's ridiculous. I started working as a child model at 12 to like, to help. I mean, not that they, you know, I wasn't, I was saving the money because I was like, I'm going to need to, I'm going to, I'm building a life raft here. But, but she was remarkable. And

and, you know, I was always very sympathetic to my mom because she didn't really didn't have parents

have her own. She was kind of her dad died when she was an infant. She was raised in hotels in Europe by her mom and just wanted to party. She was a subject of a vicious custody battle when she was 10 years old. It was called the trial, the century in the depression. And, you know, I kind of saw sadness behind my mom's eyes or whole life. And I, I do not understand what the sadness was from, but I was sympathetic to her. And so even if she wasn't the most kind of mom mom, she, she was

in cry, I, I viewed her as a, I mean, from the time as little, I viewed her as like a space alien whose rocket ship had, had like, you know, failed and landed on earth by accident. And it was my job to like, help her like rent apartment and learn how to breathe oxygen. Yeah. That's, that's a level of worry that most young people. Yeah, but look who's talking. I'm trying to bring this out.

“I listen to you and I think about him in, in his, the oldest, um, I think you called a catastrophic,”

yeah, you know, a catastrophe. He was a catastrophe. Yeah. At that age, in the same way that you were, you know, really thinking, okay, all the worst possible scenarios. And I think he felt like the one that had to know it all. Right. He was going to be you. That's interesting. Like if things fell

apart, if our dad ever could never function, then Craig was the one who was going to make sure.

It seems like the title of this book, my mom and I wrote together, which ended up being basically our correspondence over the course of the year, was the rainbow comes and goes, which is from a wordsworth poem. Um, and it was a poem, my mom liked. And for her, it meant, well, the rainbow comes and goes. It's always going to come back. And so like, right days are just ahead. They're just around the corner. The phone can ring and your whole life can change. And for me, the title is like,

yeah, the rainbow comes and it goes. And yeah, the phone can ring and your whole freaking life and change. Like I saw it from a negative line. And she saw it. She's like, could not. It was so such an interesting kind of, and you just different ways. You just try to be realistic. Just cover

“all the bases in case something happened. It's a fine line between realistic and pessimistic. I think.”

That's right. I think you two fell on the pessimistic side. Some are theistic family, but I realize the parenting is pennies in the bank. Yes. It's that time when you were working and you didn't want to stop it. But you did that made a huge difference to me. Because if I failed, I always failed to fail with my kids. I would have failed tremendously in life. I like what you said that parenting

And I talked about in a lot. You know, we were working class poor working class family.

Father was a city worker. He did not make a lot of money. He did not have a title. He was not famous. He wouldn't be on a regular schedule. We could go for a week and not see him because he was working a shift. But when he was present, he was present in very small, but meaningful way. It's something as simple. You know, I recall like the special treat before dinner if he was there or after dinner was that we get him to play a game. Any kind of game, you know, a tickle game, a part game.

And it just felt like such a treat that this big important man who had all this responsibility

“got on the floor and played with us. Yeah. He delighted in our presence. Yeah. That's why you know.”

And what I tell a lot of parents is that a lot of times we work for money and things because especially if you're poor, you think, well, if I could give my kids more, we could live in a bigger house. If I could put them in the best schools. If I could give them the nicest sneakers, right? Right. That that is going to replace it. But it's the pennies in the bank. Yeah. That matter. And everybody's got some pennies. You know, kids don't need the stuff.

They just want the pennies. Yeah. Very important. And I think a lot of men lose sight of the fact that a lot of what they're working towards is just their goals.

“Right. And ambition. You know. And I think men should have that. I think everyone.”

Men, women, people have to have their own lives and their own ambitions. But have it and say that's for you. But your kids, they just want pennies. They want the pennies.

They really do. They do. Yeah. You're never too poor to be a father. No. So give time and attention.

You know, artists are worse. The worse. So self involved. Yeah. And my god. You know, you get so caught up in your own inner world. You know, because that's where you sought refuge. You know, when things weren't working out when you were younger, you sought refuge in this inner world. I think the point you're making is that, you know, it's easy to get lost in the grandeur of your life. Exactly. Of yourself. Of yourself. And they were in the grandeur of myself. Yeah.

Yeah. Because that's the thing everybody's taught to pursue. You know, it's like that's the the brass ring.

“And that's why parenting is a it's a group sport. And I think Barak is just like you as a tremendous”

father doing it in a lot of grandeur. Right. Yeah. You're the commander and chief of the United States of America. And so finding that that balance of, you know, when you've got the nuclear code in your grasp and world leaders calling you and a big important heavy decisions coming at you every day. And that lays and aids and on and on and security. And oh, it's just all grandeur. Trying to wipe all that stuff away and leave it at the door before you enter before he would

enter the residents of the White House to sit at a dinner table with his two daughters and only talk about them. Right. It was important for both of us for me and Barak to carve out that time in those eight years when our girls were in their formative years. You know, yeah, they they lived longer,

million Sasha in the White House and they've lived in any house. That's amazing. They were formed

in that house and around that table in that residence. And it took a mighty effort to leave the grandeur at the door and to just be there and talk about fifth grade and, you know, even in my job, you know, it's like, hey, you're on the road, you're king. So I remember when I did a kill in the

you won't be a star. And like it's such an elusive thing. It was a star. You know, yeah. And how old were you then? I was 11. Oh, and then we're like, this is, you know, I'm like, it was like, you did. And then the movie came in and did so terrible in the box office. I know that was one of my favorite movie. And then I was going to think about it over time. Yeah. Yeah. It's popular film. Yeah. And the thing that people most know me for, but I use that as an example in this

“is because our life is made up of many moments. It's not made like our, our legacy is not just”

that one thing we did. No, it can't. You know, there's many things that we did. And so like,

a killing to be was always there for people to come to and remember my work. And it grew over

time amongst all the things I did. But I remember feeling in that moment being like, everybody lied to me. You know what I mean? I felt like, my mom told me I was going to be a big girl at five. I still didn't get big. I was like, no, wait. And I'm still. It's like, what do you want? It sounds like, big girl just means I can't be a baby. Exactly. Just don't say. Right. How I fell with a killing thing. And so, but what I learned and what I never did to myself after that was to

expect it out to be proud of the work to be happy that I got the job or the thing that I

“wanted to get or did to, but not to not to make it mean that it is only that to, if I receive”

a certain achievement. No, it's that to me. And there has to be enough. That's the one thing I

thought about when that happened. So that makes me think, I mean, I share this all the time. I mean, I went to Princeton, Harvard Law, because I thought I was going to be a lawyer and a corporate lawyer. I didn't know anything about what a lawyer did. I didn't come. Our family was, we were not professional people. I picked law because it was the next thing to do. I applied. I got in a Harvard. You get in a Harvard. You go. Right. That was the extent of my thinking. Yeah. Right. And then I got out.

I practiced in a firm for two years. And I was like, I don't like this at all. I'm not, you know, because a corporate law is about it's papers and briefs. It's research. It's not very people oriented especially in the, uh, your early years. It just, I had no idea what corporate law was. Right. And I had a, I had wonderful mentors. People supported me. I, I, I was able to achieve and do good things in that year. But I didn't, I didn't know what that felt like. Um, I did not want to be a lawyer.

Yeah. And it turns out after all that education and all those loans. But to your point, it was, all, all the loans that we just paid off before. Amen. Barack went to the White House. Okay. So, I mean, we were carrying debt, you know, for a very long time for me, not to be a lawyer. But to your point, I had no idea what that was going to mean and what was that, what that was going to feel like. It was just a goal that I set for myself. I didn't even know what it was based on.

Yeah. I didn't know my why. I knew my what, but I didn't know my why. And, and I could have felt, um, like a failure for it, right? But I didn't. Fortunately, I had parents. I was like, let me try on some other things like to your point. There are chapters in life. That was a chapter. I needed to do that and know that and understand that. And I went on to have many, many chapters. And I'm still glad that I got my law degree. The way I think, you know, how I see the world

is very much influenced by that education. Yes. But it wasn't who I was supposed to be. And there's no way I would have known that had I not tried it. And then moved on from it and tried on

“some other thing. So for Noel, they're just that life is about the chapters. You know, it's never”

any one thing and to place too much stock or put too much emotion on one or two achievements.

It's, it always sets you up for disappointment, because life is bigger than that. Spring always

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It's so good. This is the best song. There it is. And it goes a little bit like this. Now don't

“clap because I'll go off rhythm. Yeah, just clean. I've written some white people.”

'Cause you go. When the white people chime in on the rhythm, I'm kidding, no something. Now, I've got a cup of stuff for now. You like it for a while, you're already in. I've got all of my white people I do, but you're all just when we start doing things you're insisting. Now, there's Miss Diane Carroll, Lena Horne in earth a kid.

Donna, they stay on top for ages, but they're looks never quit. Donna, now when white women get

older, their skin gets creased in line, but because of my race, look at my face. So, there's a baby's behind because black don't clap. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, now Cardi B and Beyonce certainly know how to make a buck, but being sued for fights on Grammy nights, they don't need no nip and stuff. Donna, Donna, now Harry, it's got her railroad, so journals got her truth. So come on, I have! And Jasmine Crooked could be a choice at the voting

booth. Oh, the Wemphries got her billions, and Michelle's got her Obama. And I still look good, out in Hollywood playing it, everybody's mama, gotta take a bath, don't worry, oh, so white girls get your face lifts to your foreheads on your back, because I'll be having fun out in the sun, 'cause baby, go, go, whoa, and then shut up, huh? That's the orchestra going. The thing is I stay open, I'm probably way open. Yes, oh my god, that sounded so entertaining.

My heart, your family, my heart is open, more literally than it should be, but I do date,

“and it's a fascinating adventure out there, you know? Mostly though, I think there's really”

good men out there, I think to a certain extent, I'm a very unique sort of unicorn of a woman, and so it's going to take a unique person, and in the meantime, I have really learned how to live my life and enjoy it and not sit around waiting. I come, you know, I was saying to someone

recently that I'm one of the first generations of choice, and it's not anymore, which really,

there was a window, and that has shifted, and I do think that that's going to change dating for women so much. When you mean you've been the sort of the product of choice, I mean the assumption of Rovey Wade, and the ability for a woman to find her own delight and pleasure and choice around how she navigates dating or how one would navigate dating, and we're in a different world now, and I'm curious what that will look like. It frightens me for younger girls because

many reasons obviously, but even with the systemic protection of Rovey Wade, I still was coming up against the cultural norms of being a choiceful woman, and owning my own body and my own choices,

what it is you want the relationship to be between the two of you, as opposed to what society says it should be. We could not have Keenan Thompson on this podcast without doing one of my favorite skits, which is black jeopardy. Let's go. All right, jeopardy.

Greg and I have always thought we'd be pretty good at it. It looks a little hard. I'm a little intimidated,

but I thought that if you would indulge us, you would give us an opportunity to play a couple of rounds. I love black jeopardy. One of my friends said, okay, because you have the greatest black

“WL. I think we coined the phrase, Karen. That's Karen. What is?”

I remember it was something like raisins or something in the tape side. As you know, black jeopardy has a bunch of different categories. You know, different ones in our categories today might be, you better say it right, fixing your plate, don't touch that. Oh, you fancy. Oh, that ain't it. Black Twitter University. Good classics, black dads be like, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. Okay. All right, this is the sibling competition.

Let's go. Good luck. Good luck to both of you contestants. Good luck. We should hear about today's prizes. We'll do that later.

I feel like Cadillac might be involved. All right. Our first category. That ain't it.

“That ain't it. All right. The question is, a friend who says they don't do season is also what?”

Not of colorful pigmentation. What is not of colorful. Not a perfect color. That's close. Do you have an answer? Not invited back to my house. That is uninvited. Uninvited was the answer. All right. The next category Black Twitter University. What does she ate in left no crumbs mean? I mean, she told you off and left you with your mouth hanging on the floor. Yes. We need a day. We're good. We're good. We're good. Yes. We would have accepted.

She's laid. She delivered or that was flawless. Oh, okay. You're in that new house. Yes. What's the score? Two zero. Oh, come on. Great. All right. What's up, man? All right. My buzzer works. Black jeopardy. All right. This is good classics. Okay. This item doubles as a weapon. A shoe and an expression of discipline. What is Mama's fluffy pink house shoe? Yes. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. That's right.

Too specific. Did you have the answer? Well, I was I was embellishing as I was. He had some say house lipper or that flip flop with precision aim. So, yes. We all know that

boomerang the great handy Murphy. Incredible. All right. Black dad's be like, what does your

dad say every time he walks past the thermostat? What is we ain't trying to heat up the whole cool down the whole neighborhood? Uh-huh. You got one? I do. What is nobody should be touching this who ain't paying rent? Of course. Both of those are very close. We have, why do I feel like the topics in here? Y'all paying the light bills or touch it again and see what happens. Oh, yeah. It's two point five or one point five. Two point five. One point five. One point five.

Okay. All right. Church folks. Okay. If someone shall take a time passed up, they probably mean what? They probably mean hurry up so I can get to the repass and have some fried chicken. That's right. We're gonna get to the repass and grab some fried chicken. That's usually a lot of you don't get it. I know, but you know, it's as understandable answers were wrap it up. We hungry and you're dragging it. Mama said Mama said if she uses your food government name

“including the middle one, what does that mean? I think the sale was first. You were about to get”

your butt work. You're about to get it. That is the answer. Let's go. What are you at? I'm right here.

it. But that's because I might get a question before it. But that's because I might get a question

before it. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. All right. This is all they did. This is all they did. It's all they did. It's all they did. It's all they did. It's all they did. It's all they did. All right. Now, category. You better say it right. That is savory. When a black auntie says bless our heart, what does she live? What is she's doing something wrong? Uh-huh. You got a better one. What is you have no talent at whatever it is you're trying to do. Yeah, be it nice. We would have

accepted. She being shady. That girl is struggling or she a mess. Yeah, we try to be too

awesome. There's next category is fixing your plate. Oh, where is your mama's potato salad recipe stored? That's you, Craig. What is in in the middle of the Gideon Bible? I mean, let's go ahead. She don't write the recipe down. She knows it in her head. That's a good one. That's a good one. That was a good one. That was cool. That was close, though. That Gideon. Yeah, you were close. All right, next category. Oh, you fancy. She got on hoops. A side part

“and baby hairs leave. What does that mean? Who got that? I think it was great. Okay. What is”

mama's going out tonight? Of course. Yeah, I want to share. Uh-huh. What does that mean? It just means it's a Tuesday. Yeah, the message about her business. Yeah, she not planned. She

mean business and don't sign her. That's basically what you're saying. Give them both the point.

All right, this next category was only two more. Okay. We got to change the catch-up. Don't touch that is the category. When your mama says she watched in her stories, what is she referring to? Good. I think that she was. What is all my children? Brian's hope one night to live. That's right. Any of the daytime so far. That's right. Where is General Hospital at our house? General Hospital? Well, no, he doesn't get that right. No, no, he doesn't get that right. No, you got that. Yeah, you come on down.

Yeah, that was good. That was good one. That was good one. This is a bonus question. It's okay. Where's his score? We got 5.5 to 1.5. Oh, man. So this is what we're going to do. Yeah, that five points. Yeah, that five points will be good. Okay. The category is the Obama's be Obama's question. Barack hits you with the now. Let me be clear. What's coming next? Michelle. A 20 minute answer to a question. Oh, hold on, Ted talk.

“Listen, listen. Listen. Listen. But that doesn't make Mary any. Yeah, that's what I think of the”

question. Well, I think we got a chance. I mean, that's right. I think you're flawed. You were too laid up off the buzzer. You know, it wasn't the quickness. It was my answers, which I was trying to make. I love it. I love it. So that's it, of course. Hey, I'm Anderson Cooper. Grief can feel so lonely. But talking about it and listening to others share their experiences helps. It's probably the only thing that's really helped me.

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