Practice Makes Permanent: Transforming Leaders with Dr. Anthony Randall

joined by international award-winning author of "Force Behind Transforming Leaders" and we're talking to a man who has more black belts than I do around my waist. He is the masterful, the transformative, the unforgettable Columbus George's own. My god, Dr Anthony Randall. You're listening to Mick Unplugd hosted by the one and only Mick Hunt. This is where purpose meets power and story spark transformation. Mick takes you beyond the motivation and into meaning helping you discover

your because and becoming unstoppable. I'm Rudy Rush and trust me you're in the right place.

“Let's get unplugged. Dr Anthony, how are you doing today, brother?”

Good, Nick, how are you? Great to see you. Great to see you, too, man. You know, just catching up a little bit, talking to you for a while on social media. I don't think I've realized how close we were to each other. So that's a Mick error right there, but I'm honored to have my neighbor. I'm on the show. So I've been looking forward to this one for a while, bro. That sounds great. I've got pride more errors in life than you do. I'm just glad that her been Corey Thompson could connect us

through Liberty's feet, so it's great to be working together. Absolutely, absolutely. Shout out to her and Corey or Peaches and Irves. I like to call them when we're together. There you go.

Dude, you know, I always start my shows off by asking my guest, "What's your be cause?"

Like Simon Senate, good friend of mine taught us to all start with our why. And I like the think that once you know your why, you're fueled by your be cause, that thing that keeps you going, that promise that you make. So if I were to ask you today, Dr. Anthony, 2026, what's your be cause? Why do you keep doing the things that you do? Yeah, well, I love the question and I'm going to go a little counter-designment. I've got

his book, I'm a bookshelf, but I always want to press like you do. I don't think it starts with why. It starts with who and it starts with what? And that's the be cause. And so my be cause is to help people live a more excellent way. And I believe that there's a way to live a more excellent way of life when we align our passion, your be cause, our purpose, and our precision. And we can

go in depth on that today if you'd like to, but that's the bottom line. How do we live a more excellent

“way to a lot with violating passion, purpose and precision? And that's what I love to do. I love to see”

human beings flourish. Dude, and we're going to go there because as I've gotten to know you in your work, when I realized we had a lot in common and then too, I've learned a lot through you and your work. You know, you've mentioned numerous times that practice makes permanent, right? And that kind of came, became the foundation for your book, practicing excellence, which is a great segue into what you're going and saying, you know, I've had this thing everybody that's listened to the show or

watched this show, you've heard of me say this a thousand times. Michael Jordan never took a shot.

He didn't practice. Steph Curry never takes a shot. He doesn't practice. Kobe Bryant never did a move.

He didn't practice. And so when you saw those guys do things, it was because they made those skills permanent, but you never see Michael Jordan take a full-core shot because he never practiced those things, right? He never tried to master those things. So talk to us about practice making permanent, both the mental, the physical and the psychological aspects of that.

“Yeah, so practice makes permanent, not perfect. I think that kind of destroys one of those”

isms that people typically think is practice makes perfect. Practice makes permanent, practice does not make perfect. So practice excellence. And that was kind of a smaller book that I wrote a few years ago leading to practicing excellence. Focus around which you just talked about. And I truly believe that the living a more excellent way is found in the joy of practice. The joy of every day, you know, disciplined obedience. We can talk about that today about training

your trust, trust in your training, but the art of practice. And I think I learned that that art of practice in two different places, math, three different places in my life. I would say one of my faith, the second martial arts. And then the third one in the military specifically having an opportunity to serve in, you know, the ranger and the special operations and special forces community as an army ranger and as an officer and as a chaplain. So those are the three places

that I've learned that practice does not make perfect. Practice makes permanent. So make sure you what you practice is excellent. Yeah, and you know, just doubling down on what you just talked about. So, you know, you've got a diverse set of experiences like you just said from martial arts to military service and a ministry, right? Like, that's a lot of profound insights and growth

work with companies and individuals today from a leadership? Yeah, I think, you know, me and Motima Sashi

said that, you know, every warrior should carry a pen and a sword, right? From my military days,

“you know, the guys that knew me before I became a chaplain, they just remember the ranger”

randal, right? And I tell people all the time, it's, you can put the chaplain into the ranger, but it's hard to take the ranger out of the chaplain. And I used to think that was a attention or, you know, a disconnect and what I found over life of practicing is that really it's holistic. And so what I try to bring to leaders, to organizations and to the public square, is how do you bring your fullness of yourself to the public square? And, and how do we take that

fullness to better understand others and to seek understanding and to have that intellectually rigorous dialogue and discourse that allows us to collaborate, allows us to accept our differences, find our unity and get things done. And so, so for me, you know, when I, when I do coaching, we do leader development, we just take a very holistic perspective to that. You know, I began learning that in the martial arts and then my time in special operations community, allowing my

opportunities there to work on human performance and then taking that into my time in professional college sports and then what we do today. So it's, it's very much a holistic transformational process. Dude, and, you know, once I started following you, I saw something that you wrote and I stood up out of my chair and it was like my skin was on fire because I was like, yes, I needed to hear that. A lot of times in in leadership, in business, in entrepreneurship, in sports,

“we always talk about resiliency, right? And so resiliency went from a mindset I think to more”

like a trendy buzzword, right? Like if we were talking social media, it was a trendy hashtag. Yeah. Wow. And then I saw Dr. Anthony Randall say, where you really need to spend your time is understanding the concept of anti-fragile. So I want to give you some some moments to break this down for everybody that's watching or listening about being anti-fragile. Yeah. So the the concept of anti-fragility comes from the seem to leave in his book Anti-fragile, which is a great

read. You know, at my time in the military, especially the chaplain and combat tours and all of these things, the military started working on a resiliency project. They spent a couple hundred

million dollars on it actually. And when I was doing some some graduate work several years ago,

found that 52% of people, soldiers that went through the resiliency training program, actually had greater catastrophic thinking after the training than before. And my belief is that we need to go deeper. We need to go deeper than positive psychology. We need to go into this place of character formation, establishing virtue and faith and freedom as a triangle, the golden triangle that shapes who people are, to give them a greater foundation to resist and respond to evil

and to adversity and the things we face in this world. So the concept is pretty simple. You have people that are in a place of fragility, right? You have a place of resilience or a place of anti-fragility.

“And I think the illustration that I've seen, I can't remember it, came from, was using Greek mythology.”

If you're in a place of fragility, it's like the moccles, right? The guy laying on the couch with the eat and the grapes and the sorghting and above and with the horse hair. Yeah. If you don't practice in each and every day and prepare each and every day at how to overcome adversity, destroy self-limin beliefs and learn how to show up and play up and finish every day. You're like the moccles, the tension on that sorghts eventually going to, that horse hair is going to snap

and you're done. Resilience is the concept of the Phoenix where you get hit, you get knocked down, you bounce back up to the original place that you were. And being a martial artist and doing the

things that I've done in my life, man, I've just never been satisfied with mediocrity. And I think

truly being a resilient person is just being mediocre. You get knocked down, you get back up again and you stay there. And so just like the Phoenix, it dissolves, you know, it can fire and it dissolves and it recosts itself. But being anti-fragile is like the hydra, right? If you remember the Greek mythological creature, the hydra, and you chop off ahead, another one's coming back. And so being anti-fragile is about not just responding, resisting and responding to the things

in life, but getting better from each and every one of those sets and reps. And in obstacle in life shouldn't be something you're fearful of. It should be something that you embrace and say, okay, how do we go by with and through this thing? And so whether it's the trauma that I've seen

or even doing martial arts, there is a stress that we need to put ourselves under every day

emotionally, physically, psychologically, spiritually, mentally, physiologically, to help us get

“better every day. And I think some people have termed that post-traumatic growth. I just prefer the”

term being anti-fragile. I love that so much, brother. For the person that's listening or watching right now, this like, yeah, like that. But I need to understand how to put that into practice for me or a couple of things that I could do to reverse that mindset or to embrace this new anti-fragility or anti-fragile mindset. Like, where do some things that people can do that's in their common day to day? Well, I've learned a lot of this practice from failure, right? And so I think just

having the courage to get up every single day and to step out on the public square and get and getting a rena's is one thing is being willing to be willing to show up every day, to play

up when you have an opportunity to play up and then be committed to finishing. And so, you know, the first

part of that, I think, goes back to practicing excellence. When we identify our passion or our because it helps us overcome adversity, right? And then when we align that passion with purpose, the purposeful use of our gifts and our abilities and talents, we focus on practicing our gifts and our abilities and talents and skills every single day. What that does is it prevents us from getting just consumed with the dilemmas and the distractions of self-limbing beliefs, the inner voice,

the external voices, all of those things. And instead, we're able to stay focused on purposeful practice of what we're good at. That requires what I call disciplined obedience,

“right? No one likes, I mean, I'm not, I don't know if you, I've got three kids, right?”

Discipline and obedience aren't their two favorite words as they're growing up, but I've got two in college now and in a high school, and they sure appreciate some disciplined obedience now and what they're doing. So discipline is the art of just practicing well every single day. And obedience, you know, as a theologian, in Hebrew, there's no word for obedience. The word is actually shama, which means to listen. So people that had disciplined obedience are people every day that are

willing to get in the arena to show up and play up and finish and not only be disciplined in their practice, being willing to listen and learn and apply, being humble to be taught every day. And then the last thing is precision. When you align your passion and your purpose, then that gives you precision to focus on exactly where you're feet are at and be present in that moment and get after it, right? So I'll just, I'll stop there, but there's some more depth there

that we can get into on practicing excellence. Yeah, you know, I want to go as deep as you want to go in practicing excellence. And you and I've already talked about we're going to have a part two and maybe we'll do a masterclass for people because I totally believe everything that you just said

“and I think what I heard you say and I'm going to repeat it my way for everybody. I think the first step”

is just acknowledging failure. I think a lot of times we hide from, we made a mistake or we messed up or we didn't, we didn't do as good as we wanted to do or as someone else wanted us to do. It's okay to accept that as long as you're willing to correct and get better. Right? I think a lot of times we take failure and we begin to stack failure. You know, like me and my background, I'm all about stacking wins, right? Well, in order to stack wins every once in a while,

I have to not win so that I understand what I have to do to course correct. But the opposite is also true. A lot of times people will get into the woes me or, you know, I'm not good enough. And then they start stacking losses and they can't get themselves out of it. One of the things that that I've have always appreciated about you and you call it using your four vowels and I put that into place not only with my team, but myself, right? And so I'd love for you to walk us through

these vowels using our vowels and I love a person that has easy ways for me to remember things. So thank you for doing that. So everybody watching or listening, Dr. Anthony is going to teach us how to use our vowels. So you might have to share a story leading up to that. Yeah. Okay. So we're starting with vowels because you keep saying, Dr. Anthony, that Dr. took a lot a long, long hours, right? I mean, I never, I took the SAT three times

make. I never broke a thousand. I was the third alternate to get into West Point, right? My junior

year in advanced English composition, my professor sat me down, took out an essay that I'd written, there was more red ink on it of his handwriting than black ink that came out of my computer.

in drug tests. And I said, Sarah, he goes, are you on drugs? I said, no sir, I'm not on drugs. He goes, you've got to be on something because this is the worst writing I've ever read at the United States Military Academy and then he failed me in advanced English composition, right? So it has been years of practice and a couple other opportunities and stories I share in my keynote of people speaking into me to overcome self-lament beliefs to love to write. And today we've written a couple

books and I love to write. So we'll go back to the vowels now, but just know that this guy ain't no good at grammar. You know what I'm saying? So you know, my 7th and 8th grade, you know, grammar teachers like Son, you don't write no good, you know? And I said that once in a keynote, I had a personally honest go, you mean you don't write that well. And I'm like, if I got to

“explain the joke to you, then it's. So anyways, the 5 vowels, right? So I think for leadership,”

you know, you break it down on these 5 vowels, acronyms are always a good thing. When you're

walking an organization and you want to create a culture of excellence, you know, A is assessed, right? Assess the situation and I always try to assess the audience. Who's my influencers? And who are my influential leaders? And I think we see that in society, we have all sorts of people that are influencers way more followers and likes than I'll ever get on social media. But what are the influencing? What impact are they? Are they really heavy? Versus an influential

leader that gets stuff done. They're committed to, they're committed to the process, right? And they lead by influence, not by power or role or responsibility or title. So that's A. The second one is in list. In list and a good friend of mine, Clint hurdle who I had to privilege to serve with

“in the Pittsburgh Pirates for eight years, Clint, you always tell us to pick your Mount Rushmore.”

Who are those four or five people chiseled in stone that are always going to be there for you

foundationally? So A is assessed E is in list and list and list your Mount Rushmore or the night to the round table. Who is going to have your back? Who captures your vision, builds your strategy and drives your execution with passion, purpose, and precision, by the way, right? Who, who demonstrates trust, adaptability, and execution? Who develops leaders of character as more than ethical thinkers and high EQ, right? In list those people and then who's also on that team

willing to to confront you and be candid? I mean, we've got an amazing team at Vanguard 21 and usher out of myself with a whole bunch of people that are willing to just bludgeon me in the face if I need it because because I need those kind of leaders around me, right? So you've got to surround yourself in list and list. I identify the people and I'll even go so far say identify the terrorists

because if you've ever been in an organization, you know there's always someone out there that's

trying to destroy everything that you're trying to put together, you're trying to destroy the organization and it's always about they're out for themselves or they've been wounded or hurt or they've always got some sort of motive, you know hard hardness, self-righteousness, whatever it is that they'll do everything they can to destroy your organization. We taught talent management, I talk all the time about, you know, you can hire high character individuals and create a

high culture organization or you can hire a bunch of characters and they're going to destroy your organization. So you've got to identify the people that are going to do everything they can to break that down and frankly, HR people, we can talk about this on a more empathetic level but you've got to identify them, you got to isolate them and then frankly you just have to eliminate them. Do you want a championship culture or not? Do you want to be a transformational change agent in

the public square or not? And quite frankly, some people just don't want to get on boards of growth mindset and be a team player and win and they need to go find someplace else. So that's the A.E. and the I. The I was observed and I'm a big fan of emotional intelligence, we teach a lot of

“emotional intelligence and our leadership courses, we teach EQ, we facilitate EQ 360s and so I think”

observe, observe, have some social awareness, understand empathy and compassion that also understand cultural values, understand the written rules and the written rules. I know you're an athlete, you know I spent some time in some locker rooms, right? I mean how many of you know that there's there's written rules and there's there's unwritten rules, right? And there's always the clubhouse boss, right, that runs the clubhouse, that runs the locker room, and you either follow those rules or not.

And so observe when you come in as a leader, observe what the written and the unwritten rules are, right? Legacy's a great book about the All Black Kiwis and the All Black's, the Kiwi, the New Zealand rugby team. They have some written rules, they have some written principles that make

observed. And then the last one, you, is utilized. So assess and list, identify, observe and then

utilize. Utilize a coaching language in a coaching culture. We're finding just study after study today that when you implement a coaching language in a coaching culture, when you bring in leadership in a development executive coaching, when you build an internal executive coaching bench, when you teach your leaders in depth to spend more time coaching and less time directing, you begin to empower people and draw the full potential out of people, rather than enabling

people to keep asking you for the answer. And that's one of the huge things that's in our market

“place today in our society today. That's why we've got so much instability in the public square”

is where overwhelmed with information and misinformation and people today are just comfortable being told what to think. But high-performing organizations, high-performing cultures, high-character leaders, they coach people how to think. And when you can coach organizations in depth how to think, you begin to create morally and ethically autonomous leaders that get stuff done, and you flatten out organizations and you begin to move much faster. And that's how you win.

Bro, I couldn't have said it any better. Again, we have so much in common. We have a lot of principles and theories and teachings in common because I say the same thing. It's not about titles, it's not even about roles, assignments. It's have you done enough so that this person can lead on their own so that you can trust them to walk away and to job as done. And when you when you're able to do that and there's trust two ways, right? Not just one way, but when there's two

way of trust, that's the secret sauce to scaling. I don't care what business it is. I don't care,

“it could be a sports team. If you want to know the way to win into it all the way as win,”

there's gotta be two way of trust because everything that I believe starts with trust, right? And when I trust you and I know that you trust me together we're together we're unbeatable. So you talked about Vanguard 21. I want to give you the floor

to talk about some of the amazing initiatives and endeavors that you all are working on,

what you plan or in the future. And then obviously, you know, anything that you just want to talk about in general before we wrap up. Sure. Well, you know, very blessed to lead this amazing company Vanguard 21. We launched it full time on our entire from the military five years ago. You know, leadership development, coaching space. We built it to a seven figure company in less than 36 months and we built it around a team of people. That's why I didn't

name it after myself, right? So we've got 19 amazing people on the team, coaches, facilitators, leaders across the marketplace. And we have a, there's a bottom line we have a lot of fun. We transform leaders and we coach excellence and we win. I mean, if, if you're looking to have leadership transformation in your organization, if you're learning to see how excellent coaching can impact your organization and you like to win. Hey, you know, maybe we can talk some time and share some

“common values and ideas. So that's what we do. And we have a lot of fun with it. Right now,”

you know, we've been across the marketplace, Mick, we've worked in Fortune 100 500 companies, Pro College sports, you know, small, medium sized companies. The couple fractals that were really passionate about right now and having some opportunities. Actually, when I'm traveling to this week, to do some work is in private equity and in public education. Because transformational leadership transforms some marketplace, right? I mean, you go from private equity to public education, right?

So what we're finding with PE firms and with portfolio companies is that if we can get involved upstream with a portfolio company and and help, and typically, you know, a PE comes in, grab support co, typically they keep the leadership in place, but they've got to figure out how to make change, or they take the entire leadership out and put new leaders in with, you know, fractal or, you know, different kinds of C-Sweets in there, fractional, or they keep some of the

C-Sweet and they replace some of them. The bottom line is if you want a 3X or 5X in organization,

start with leadership development, start with building that culture of trust. And so what we're doing is we're looking right now and working with some different private equity folks and some portfolio companies that they're identifying, hey, we want you to partner with this upstream and from the time we take a portfolio company and and get them into the market place, we're going to have you do leadership development and coaching in depth through that 18, 24,

36 months and and you see the ROI on that, right? That's one. The second one's public education. I'm a public-educated dude, right? Like I grew up in Colorado to promote a high school shout out to the Panthers, right? You know, so I believe in public education and I believe that

public education has seen the impact of coaching. And so right now we're working with a couple different school districts and hopefully with a potential state department of education where we're coming in and in and certifying principles, assistant principles, guidance counselors,

“and key faculty as ICF professional coaches. So they can begin coaching within their schools and”

within their districts and then taking their teachers and their faculty through our two and a half-day leadership, transformational leadership course that intros them to coaching and create a coaching culture with this Gen Z generation that's hungry to be coached. They're hungry to get potential drawn out of them and it's also been increased cultures of trust within your administration and your faculty with your staff and faculty, principles, students, teachers, the

whole bit. So those are two fractals we're really excited about right now. I love it, man. I love it. I appreciate the the hard work that you and your team do because being in the leadership development space, especially when you're talking with adults, everybody's agreeable day one

until you start doing the hard things, right? And then it's like, oh wait a second, I need to change.

Something. Something needs to change. So I get it, man. What do you personally have coming up or recently released or anything that you want to discuss? Well, you know, you know, I partner with Liberty Speaks, Cori and her Thompson, so they represent us as keynote speakers and so I just did a keynote for National Sales Conference a few weeks ago for a global security company beat the blizzard into Indianapolis and and they had a great culture. This is an

“amazing company and and I think 90% of their folks came to the conference despite the weather. So”

it was just being, it was great being around a high performing culture like that. And so just keynoteing a lot this year practicing excellence. So I have three keynote, I do practicing excellence, I do leaders coach, I create a high culture coaching environment and then I do another one for law enforcement and for military on how you prepare the warrior soul and how do you prepare practice, protect and persevere the warrior soul. So those are kind of three

keynotes that I do, but I'm really passionate about practicing excellence because that book is all about how do you store civility with faith and trust of leadership in the public square. And that's one of my passions in life that we have lost the civility in our public square and I just really believe that you know if we take this golden triangle philosophy of freedom virtue and faith and tie those together. Now we can create a public square, we can have civil discourse, we can have

dialogue and we can we can figure out that we're not always going to see how to eye, but when our

end state is human flourishing, when our end state is creating a space where people can flourish and we seek to draw that potential out. You and I may have a different way to get after that but can we find some likeness in doing that and just to close on that one of my favorite, put on my my chapel and how one of my favorite sermons is by Dr. King and he had a sermon called Transform Non-conformist. It's out of Romans 1212 and he preached it probably half dozen or dozen times

in the 50s and 60s. It is still 127% relevant today and and one part of that sermon that he gives he talks about that you know, transformation of purpose doesn't come from being a non-conformist. In fact, being a non-conformist can actually lead to exhibitionism. That's Dr. King's words, right? But that transformation is internal. When we're willing to have a growth mindset, a white belt mentality, when we're willing to allow that transformation to occur internally through a

transcendent god, through a faith, through whatever the media case, then the transformation that's internal will truly help us be more transformational as non-conformists in a society that's conforming to things that it's probably a better way. There's probably a better way for us to live a more excellent way, right? And so that's my passion. It's how do we restores today in the public square? And that includes your company, your organization, your school, your team, your community.

“So that's what I really love to speak on is people realizing, oh man there's more, we have more”

common than we do, you know, difference. And how do we bring that together? And I've always had a passion

to do that. I've always had a passion to bring people together. So that's what I'm really passionate about and love to do it, man. Absolutely. So before I get you out of here with my rapid five, where can people find and follow Dr. Anthony right now? Yeah, so mostly on LinkedIn, I'm 52, not a big Instagram guy trying, but stuff to ask my kids how to use it, right? So you

we do some stuff on Instagram and X, but mostly LinkedIn and Facebook. And then if you want to go to our website for leader development and coaching, that's www.vanguardxxi.com. So whether you're looking for leadership development and coaching in the marketplace, whether you want to become an ICF professional coach, we have five different ICF professional courses, level one, two, and level three courses that you can come and get your professional certification. And then if you're

looking for individual executive coaching, off sites, retreats, those kind of things, boom, VanguardXXI.com.

And the second place you can find me is at www.anthonyrandeal.org. And that's my Anthony Randall

speaks keynote speaking website. And so if you're looking for a keynote, looking for more than a keynote.

“And that's why I always try to share, I don't do keynote, I do a keynote experience. So I will”

invest in your folks, your people, your industry for a couple of days, come in, do a keynote, do some breakout sessions, some panels, and truly just spend time and be present with your folks, as they align their passion, purpose, and precision to practice excellence. I love it. I love it. I love it. I appreciate you more than you know. I'm going to get you out of here with my rapid fire, quit five, so I'm ready. All right. Number one, as a keynote speaker, what's your pump-up

song that you're listening to right before you walk out of the water? My walk-up song, man.

Derek Fettley, Burning Man. I'm a little bit steady. There we go. Rolling stone. I'm a little holy water. I'm still a little bit of a burning man, right? Because I'm still in that process, right? So that's my walk-up song. Derek Fettley, Burning Man. I love it. I love it. Number two, if you could have a Martial Arts match with any historic figure, who would it be?

What I would probably, I would probably love to train with Sensei Jigaro Kano. So Sensei Kano was the father of modern day Martial Arts and took Judo out of Japanese Jiu Jitsu and the practice of the samurai, and that's where Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and all that comes from today. So I would say Sensei Kano? I did it. What's one leadership lesson you wish you had learned sooner? Coaching. Too many people call themselves coaches on LinkedIn. The number one

thing that people tell us after day one of our professional coaching courses is that typically look at the floor and they dropped their shoulders like, yeah, I wasn't coaching. I've been telling people on the coach, but I'm not coaching, right? So I wish I would have learned the art and science of how to coach a lot, a lot sooner than I did, because it's been transformational. Right, we have the same thing in common. I tell people all the time, like, give me your qualifications

and certifications to tell me your coach versus somebody who's done one thing kind of good, and I try to show other people how to do that one thing, worse than you do. We have a lot of clients that we get through like, retreads on a tire. They're like, yeah, the coach I was coaching with that, this is coaching, like that was not coaching. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

Beyond your books, what's your favorite book that you always recommend? Ooh. Well,

scripture is always a good one. It's diving that every day. Hmm. My favorite books.

“I think for leadership, man, I love good to great by Jim Collins. It's one of my favorites.”

I love stories about people. So right now I'm reading Henry Kissinger's book leadership, and a great deep dive on just some incredible leadership around the world, from Margaret Fattier to Omar Sadat, you know, I mean, just really great read. So I'm reading Kissinger's leadership right now. Good to great. Is it great one? And then probably on the EQ side, Daniel Goldman's primal leadership. If you want to better understand emotional intelligence and how to lead with EQ,

just not the science behind it, I think that's a go to primal leadership for sure. It was probably top through that we geeking out on philosophy and ethics. I love it, brother. I love it. Last one, as the book in the story of Anthony Randall continues to be written, what's one word you wanted that book to define and describe you.

“Legacy. I think my greatest joy in life is”

and my greatest prayer in life is that my children figured out better than I did. And so yeah, when that when that final day happens, I hope I can I can look back and just see my kids being transformational leaders in the public square, transformant people's lives and make it an impact in this world to without people to flourish. And yeah, that probably my biggest thing. I love it, bro. Completely, completely, love it.

This was an amazing conversation. We will definitely do another part in person. We're going

“to get to see each other several times this year. So we'll make sure that we”

record in person too because we have a lot to really talk about it and show it to you. Love it, man. Absolutely, love it. Look forward to seeing you a few weeks. And thank you again.

“And just to your folks list them, I just be encouraged and everybody shut out some gratitude”

and some thanks to McCont for his podcast because they're their phenomenal. I enjoy listening to him as well.

Man, you're phenomenal, bro. You're phenomenal. To all of you as a listeners, as always,

“remember, you're because is your superpower. Go and we should.”

That's another powerful conversation on Mick Unplug. If this episode moved you and I'm sure it did,

follow to show wherever you listen, share it with someone who needs that spark and leave a review. So more people can find there because I'm really rush. And until next time, stay driven, stay focused, and stay Unplug.