Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 89: The Finch

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That's right, everyone's day, we review cap our old episodes with all new commentary and updates and insights. Today we're recapping episode 89, which we named the Finch. This episode came out on October 5th, 2017. So long ago, all right, let's listen to the intro of episode 89. [MUSIC]

Hello and welcome to my favorite murder. The podcast, where you ask the questions and we don't have the answers. And why would we? Like we're not answer people.

We, you know that we've said it in a million times and also get your own fucking answers.

Whoops, whoops and then give them to us. Please, you mail them to my favorite [email protected]. Don't forget to Instagram, some answers. Take a picture of the answers and send them to Georgia on Instagram.

“You guys are so smart, you really are, you absolutely are.”

This is a teaching podcast. We teach you how smart you are by not having answers and requesting them. Maybe we do have answers and we're not really telling you because we want you to learn them yourself. I mean, it is, it does invite the listener in to participate. Hey, we're not telling the story.

Are we wrong? Let us know. That's the thing where when I was a kid and this fucking pissed me off more than anything. When I asked my mom how to spell something and she'd say, look it up. We have a whole set of dictionaries or whatever the fuck.

Fuck, you just spell this three letter word for me. You know what that was? She had not spell it. Hello. It's like mom tried.

Mom, you asshole. Pretend to be teaching because you don't know. That's like my dad going, me complaining about, I can't do math.

Him going, we'll just tell me what the problem is.

Me being like, no, I don't want to open this door. Three hours later, I'm not screaming about new math. Screaming. Like, sorry. I'm trying to read this book.

Yeah, from the beginning. He's going to help me.

“Let me look at the beginning of this chapter.”

Hold on, let me just read this script. Forget it. Forget it. And also, it's helped me in no way. Yeah.

In my math. No math has helped me. No. Basic. Basic algebra.

All you need. And even then, really, what are these concepts? It's almost like in algebra. They're trying to get you. It's like, I don't have to like, plan the projection of a rocket ship to get from here to Mars.

It's never going to happen in my life.

A rocket person. Yeah. A rocket business man. A rocket business man. A woman.

Like, let's not. I'm sorry. Please. Add that that out. Person.

Person. Person. It could be any gender fluid. You could be a man or a rocket ship. You could write on rocket ships and just be the accountant on the rocket ship.

There's got to be someone who sells parts. Where's that guy in the alien series? There's the rocket ship accountant that gets eaten first. I wonder if that's Paul Ryzer was the irritating guy. And at least one of the alien series.

Yeah. But he's the one who got the stomach busted open. No. Although something bad did happen to him. I shouldn't say no because I know the one you're thinking of.

Which is the one where they all had to witness it. Man, I need to rewatch that movie. It's the best movie. That in space balls, I haven't seen it too long. Very similar.

It's similar film. It's the same kind of idea. I'm thinking of aliens too though. Right? Paul Ryzer's Steven aliens.

We're going to, yes, from the young Steven. Yes. Science Steven. Those are some of my favorite movies. And yeah, Paul Ryzer, you know, he, he gets, you know, he has to get it in the

Ants boilers. Yes. Yes. Because he's the judge back. He's the corporate douchebag.

That's like, hey, you've got to do this. So, you know, hey, I'm going to like you to do something. Yeah. He's in charge. Yeah.

You know, we were from the first aliens is my underwear muse. Oh, hell yeah. Those cotton. Hi, wasted underwear that are little loose. Yeah.

The sexiest thing. Like, that's, I stopped wearing G strings when I fucking saw that as an adult.

If you have really long legs. If you don't, you look like someone's ground. Which is a genre for some people. Sure. I don't want to, I don't want to kink shame anybody.

But, um, you really need to have the pegs to make those grandma underwear work. Amen. And I don't. So, also, you don't know if it was a realistic movie of her working on a spaceship and being all like, the drag-old by being chased by aliens.

Mm-hmm. You know, she would have had like some razor burn. Bull Bush. She would have had Bush coming out of the underwear. She not waxing up in space.

Listen, I'm a feminist. Do whatever you want with your Bush. Listen. I don't want to see it. Right.

I mean, that's not your specific thing. No, that's not my kink. That's not your kink. Perhaps it's someone else's. Everybody's included and everybody's supported.

Um, this is a murder podcast. Guys. Are you here for your crime? Well, that's great.

Is this your first time listening?

You were not in the wrong place. Don't leave that leaves. Don't go. We're a bad talk about murder. Don't go.

Don't leave us. I have a specifically gruesome one today. Yeah, really? It's not gruesome. It's just, I've been working on it.

Anyways. Uh, I have to shout out a couple things. That'll be quick, everyone. Okay. Someone named Julia or H. She are made a fucking ate that video game

of my favorite murder. That's right. And it is, I almost heard a crying when I saw it. That's just playing it. You have to even love it.

In the beginning, you fight doctors and nurses. Even doctors and nurses are trying to kill you. It's you and me and Elvis. And the way we kill people is Elvis attacks. It's, yeah.

“And then you have to go to the Cecil Hotel.”

You can take elevators up to kill certain like different kinds of killers. Amazing. This like ate that music. It's all ate it.

But it's like incredible.

And so you go, okay, this is a weird Julia. We need you to fix this website. It's J.U.K.E.L. I.T.C.H. I.O.

I'm sorry if I actually have sent you to a... Some kind of virus. Underpants, kinks, I. Right. But I don't think it is.

You can go play this video game. I don't know what she's going to do with it. But she needs to conquer the world with it. That's amazing. It's so good.

Now, I have to tell you, sadly, I am so old. I am from beef. I pre-date a bit video games. So like, I know that that's the 90s kids. It's a big deal to them.

Because I played them. It's the whole like, um, organ trail style. Oh, yeah, I played that. I'm older than that. I'm older than that.

But I didn't have to computer labs in your... No, you know. Well, we didn't have them anyway. Cause it was Catholic school. We were just super cheap.

Like our scrap paper. We used paper that was the old menus from restaurants in town. I swear to God. I kind of sounds cool because I love menus. Well, it was fun.

And my friend Ken Mason, one of my first friends.

Cause I went there in sixth grade. So I was new. He was also new. And he turned to me and goes, "Man, man, take your order this morning.

I was like, hi, new best friends. Hi, best friends. I'm incredible." Yeah.

“But I was going to say, I think I told you the story.”

Our version of computer lab, quote unquote, was they taught us basically how to enter code where they were like, they basically made a... We were working for the school where they're like, enter this on this line and this on this line.

And we were just doing... They're like, having you do their books. Yeah, it was like data entry where they're like, "Put in a 101, 101, 101, 101." Yeah, it was ridiculous.

We had no idea what it was, how it applied to the... It computers. It doesn't. Yeah. It's like that.

No, that's the area unless you're a rocket. It's the biggest map. Our journey is bullshit. Yeah. You don't need to be taught.

Listen, I know email. Look, I know some things. I know how to blog. No, couple things. Right about myself.

For hours. Should I mention... First we should say, thank you. So much we went to Detroit and Toronto last weekend. Niceest crowds.

Incredible crowds. Incredible shows. We had the best time. I didn't tweet anything about it because I... On my way home, I was like, "Oh, no, it's too late.

I didn't want to do a... Yeah. I didn't want to do everybody at once." Yeah. But they were such good shows.

And at the Toronto show, this is my favorite part. And when I told my sister, she started crying. There was a woman... There was a... People who were holding up signs in the audience.

It was really funny. But of course, I did my glasses on, so I didn't... I just saw that they were like... I need to remember that. And point shut out to you.

Yeah. Because, like, I forget...

“I think that you're not playing it out because you don't want to.”

But, like, remember when the two girls dressed as the shining twins. Yeah. Right, right. Yeah. Like, if I hadn't, if I couldn't point it that out to you, I would cry.

I was like... That's embarrassing. Those two girls wore the same outfit. [laughter] That's embarrassing.

That's so much... But there was a girl... I just... I told my sister the story. There was a girl that we met afterwards.

Who was holding up a sign that said, "MSM saves lives." Yeah.

I'm just like... But the best part about it was... So that's a brag brag. I'm so glad we do.

“But when we met her, um, at the mean grade afterwards,”

and she goes, "I thought everyone is going to have a sign." And I was like, "This isn't a march. You're at a live show." And she... She, for some reason, had it in her head that everybody was going to have a sign to hold out at the show.

She was so nice. It was the cutest thing in the world. It was a big... It was a big... I remember walking out and seeing it. I was a really big sign.

And I was like, "Oh, the people behind her are so pissed." [laughter] I was like, "Oh my god, how nice!" It was like, "Oh, fuck." No, it was really sweet.

It was hilarious. It was great. And we're just so fucking lucky. We're so lucky. The best people.

I know. It's so fun. So thank you to Troy. Thank you, Toronto. I was going insane.

Trying to enter my hunters, the new David Fincher series into my DVR. I was doing it. Every time I would do it, it wouldn't accept it. I'm like, "What the fuck?

I'm too early. I'm too early." Well, now I know for a fact it's starting. I believe on October 13. I cannot wait.

I cannot wait.

Finally, I put it together.

I had to look it up online. It's a Netflix series. There's nothing to program in my DVR.

“It was making means because I'm like, "I'm going to miss it."”

And so anyone else who might be having that experience... It's a Netflix series that you can't pre-planned. It's going to be so good. We're going to talk about it. We're going to have an extra mini-show just to talk about it.

Yes, please. I watch it together. Yes. And then I have a whole talk down. Because it's distracting me.

There's lots of people that I love sending me suggestions, constantly, and you. On Twitter. Have you seen this? Have you seen that? I kind of did.

I felt bad the other night. I was like, "Watch this thing. You have to." And then I was like, "Cxted back." I'm sorry.

You don't have to. You don't have to. Very careful. We're trying to be very careful. Very careful with each other's triggers.

That's right. We're perfect together because we're in the exact triggers for each other. Yes. We are in love. I think we're each other's sisters.

Yes. Personalities. Yes. Your own sister. And I'm your sister.

You're not. You're not my sister. She's too fucking cool for me. No, no. I love her.

She is the greatest. No, it's just... It's almost like everything that I've ever worried about myself. I see in you and then I get mad at you that I was like that. Yeah.

It's like that crazy. And I get scared of...

I just always make friends with these women who have big personalities.

And I get intimidated. And I get intimidated easily. And I don't act like myself. Which they see and isn't fun. And then I change and get controlling and shit.

Where are they? Yeah, because it makes sense to me though. When you have... Because I also make friends with people with big personalities. Yes.

And you... That's a compliment. I fucking loved that as women. Yeah. And I want to be friends with them.

But you have to also have boundaries. Yeah.

“You have to be able to hold your own shit and like know.”

Like I have a big personality. But I also absolutely want to know what you want. Like it's hard to manage that sometimes. I come from a family of screaming Irish people that are like terrified of screaming people. Shut it all!

That's standard talking. And I'm talking. She hates me. What do I do? I mean, it takes us home to be really nice to her.

And she's annoying the shit out of me. Then I'm like, what's that tone in her voice? Yeah. I think she might be snapping. Yeah.

It's... We're great. Guys, we're working with us. We're... Therapy is my God.

Can you imagine life without therapy? It would be bad. I go to three therapists a week. And it's... And I'm still not fixed.

I go to two. We'll never be fixed. No. There's no fixing. We're not cats.

It's just... Right? We're just...

You're just always working on it.

It's just our project. And we have this project. The best thing when we after the shows when we meet people is when they say, I went to therapy because you guys were so open about it. To me, that's like...

Therapy is... My fucking... So important. My jam. And like, if we can't do that, then I don't give a shit.

Anything else? Exactly. It's such a... It's such a weird side effect that we had no idea... Yeah.

Was going to happen. And people have told... On all of those shows, we had people at those meet and grades saying, I went back, or I went for the first time, or whatever it is, we're so grateful. There was one girl who was like, "My therapist made me come tonight."

Yes, that's remember. She came along. She was like, "My therapist want me to have to come." Yeah. All right.

Then we get obsessed. But like, did you meet those girls over there? Yeah. Really nice. Like, we want a friend match?

Yeah. I love it. Anyhow. David Fincher. [laughs]

Netflix, mine. Hunters. I cannot wait. It's based on early FBI serial killing profiling and how serial killers, like, it's just about all that. Everything we love.

And Finch, the Fincher. It's just so good. A beautiful shot of like, a 70's- He did so many acting.

Yes. So many shows. How gorgeous it was. It was going to be a Netflix thing. Yeah.

It's going to be a movie. It's a beautiful shot. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. I'm so excited. Okay.

Anything else?

“I think whatever else there is, that is dominating my mind.”

The Fincher thing? Yeah. Okay.

Who goes first this week?

Me? Yeah. For going by Toronto. I don't even know. We go by any more.

No, that's what we go by. Okay. Just the shows we ever went. Yeah. Okay.

Cool. We do it by our own personal calendar. It's like the Jewish calendar, but it's not my favorite rental calendar. Mm-hmm. All right.

Whereas old is the Jewish calendar. We really are in a store. And we are back. And that 8-bit game is still up and running. Isn't that crazy?

I mean, legendary. Yeah.

You can play this game if you would like to.

We'll put a link to it somewhere. I think this episode is really funny. It's like a classic example of what this show is. Totally. Like the things we talk about are completely typical.

It's the same shit for 10 years. It's hilarious. Well, right off the bat, it's this is a show where we ask questions. And they don't get answers. Mm-hmm.

And it's not still correct. We talk about underwear, style, we talk. Like it's something that I feel like when someone's like, "We don't like true crime podcasts." It's like, it's not that, though.

Sometimes. It's not. It's not really anything. It fits no cookie cutter. No.

There's no cookie mold cutter. We don't allow cookies here. We never have. Wait, wait. How cookie though?

Except for your daughter. You're done early. And getting one of my cat every episode. So we've always left. Oh, right.

Actually, that's a recurring, a very important recurring theme in the show. It's literally a memory episode. Okay. So we're talking about the fincher, your favorite. That's right.

I thought I was being cool making up a nickname for David Fincher. Because sometimes if you already have your nickname ready, when you meet that person in life, it's like, well, we're friends because we already do it in it. Did you know? So he made the hollywood black and white hollywood drama, me and K.

“Do you know that that is Josh Minkowitz's dad that he's talking about?”

Yeah. Like, what the, what a full circle random ass thing. Josh Minkowitz is like old blue blood hollywood in a way that's like, Hail Caesar. You saw that movie right there.

Yeah. Yeah. It's basically, I think I could be wrong. But I think Josh Minkowitz's father was what Josh Brullin was doing in that movie. Of course.

Like a studio fixer type of guy. I mean, it's so cool and legendary and not in the gross like Neppo,

baby way they are always talking about these days.

It's just like, oh, you have cloud. And then you're going to use it to do something awesome with your life as well. Great. Love. Yes.

Both his father and him. Yeah. It's crazy. I love that. Very cool.

What a family. I should make it into it. This is like one of my top cases that one of the cases that I hate that I could just read about over and over. And there's it's totally solved, but there's still so much haunting me about it. I think all of us that's so haunting.

It's utterly depraved and just like a horror movie. Yeah. This is George's story covering the candy man, Dean Coral. Huge news, everybody. We're clearing out the merch store.

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Dean Coral. The camera on. I'd like there. You went there. There.

Shit. I went there. Big shout out right now to the Texas monthly article. The last boys by Skip Hansworth.

He writes incredible murder articles.

Skip Hansworth. Colin. Colin. Worth. Awesome.

It's called the last boys. It's got a lot.

“I feel like he wrote one that I did that was from Texas.”

We've been on our. He's been on the show before. Okay. That's awesome. And then also, I want to shout out Markus Parks from Hell.

Yes. The last podcast on the left for all the research that like a four part episode. Yes, like got a lot of details that this doesn't have. It's because I don't not going to do four parts of this. No.

It's so their version of it. Yeah. Was such a deep dive, but also so upsetting. There were things in that that like I don't. I'd seen that story before unlike whatever forensic files.

Yeah. So things. It's really big. He went into a deep dive of all these books. There's not a lot of documentaries.

There's just some like videos on YouTube and shit. But there's not a lot of stuff. This is it. Yeah. This is an epic one.

Okay. It's amazing. All right. I love it. And just we love you.

Markus Parks. Yeah. Thank you. Markus Parks. You're a genius.

You're a mastermind. You're um. Yeah. He's a murder survivor. He's just so good at researching.

I wish. I wish. I wish. I wish. I wish.

Okay.

“Just give us all your old notes part of it.”

Yeah. It's like he's our brother and he already took the class. Yeah. Like, can I copy? Please just give it to us.

We'll read your thing. Yeah. And then we'll do our own a swear. We'll do a boring version of your podcast. We're not going to have.

We're not going to have. Henry's the rest. He like talking in the background. So it's not going to be the quiet girl. Yeah.

Okay. Here we go. This is the candy man. All right, on the evening of August 7th, 1973, Wayne Henley, he's 17 year old. Why are he kid, acne, thick brown hair.

He's kind of like looks like a Brooklyn hipster. He invites his 19 year old friend Timothy Curley to a party at a friend. Dean corals house in Pasadena, Texas is a suburb of Houston. And they bring along Henley's 15 year old friend, Rhonda Williams. She had been beaten by her drunk father that night.

And so he was like, he took her out of the home for the time being. He was like, you can crash at my friend Dean corals house. Dean corals 33. And she, Henley tells them he's a chill dude. He lets people crash at his house.

It parties with them. 33 year old guy wants to party with teenagers. Yeah. Red flags. Seven red flags.

What? Started singing a lot on this boat. You got to. I know.

“Sometimes that's the only way to get real crazy shit out.”

Okay. They're on three am. They drink. They smoke. They snuff. Snuff paint. They pass the fuck out. What? Sorry.

You know, it's a 70's. You snuff paint. God. It's so. That is the bleakest like.

It's that thing of like when you scrape your pot pipes and you're just trying to get, like, you smoke old resident or whatever. Yeah. Sniffing paint is like 10 different steps below that. Well, because I bet the 70's weed is fucking terrible.

And they're fucking high school kids. Have you seen there's like, um,

there's an amazing mug shot of a guy.

And it just has a ring of a painting. And outline around his face. It's gold. Isn't it gold? Yeah.

I used to have this tumbler. I had a hundred tumblers. And I had one called. Ooh. Uh.

It was kind of look at this fucking convict. And I was supposed to photo of a mug shot and just right. What happened? I should do that again. That's funny.

Whatever. And I posted that one once. Okay. Okay. So, um.

They pass out and they and Henly wakes up to find his mouth. Taped shut. His ankles are bound. And Dean Coral is snapping handcuffs onto his wrists. Okay.

And curly and ronda are are also bound. Gaga beside him. Um, and curly had been stripped naked. So, when Henly woke up, Coral removes the gag and he says, "I'll help you kill them." If you just let me go.

Oh. And he says, "Okay." And then um. So, they untie Henly. They go to and Coral is going to, um, sexually assaults curly.

And he says to, um, "Henly go assault ronda." And um, ties them up. So, Coral starts to assault curly. And then Henly grabs Coral's pistol off the mantle off the thing. And shouts, "You've gone too far, Dean.

I can't go on any longer. I can't have you kill all my friends." And shoots Dean Coral in the forehead. Which didn't penetrate his fucking head. What?

This again? I know why he's keeping happening.

That's the second story we've heard.

We're a bullet ricochets off of someone's skull. Yeah. Makes me feel a little better. It's insanity. Yeah.

It also makes me think, "Is it the killers?" Like, "Is this a trait of certain types of people?"

Yeah. Maybe it's a thing. Yeah. Science people. Guys.

Figure it out. Science people. Care cancer than figure it out. Yeah. Don't prioritize this, please.

“So he shoots Dean five more times in the hallway.”

He's finally collapsed as dead.

There's a fucking photo of that. Oh, of course. It's not just cancerous face. And then this martyr of Dean Coral and the worst serial killer case in Houston history.

Wayne Henley calls the police on himself. They arrive and Henley explain what had happened that night. And the police thought of him as a hero initially. Because he saved his friends. And then the story took a turn as Henley began to tell the text

of the crazy story of the past three fucking years. So ever since they met in 1971 under the command of Dean Coral. He had Henley had helped procure a teenage boys. Some of whom had been in his own friends for Dean Coral to rape and murder. The taxes were like fuck you.

That's not true. They were totally skeptical. But they went through the crime scene with a house of Dean Coral. And they started finding things that were like oh shit. Maybe he's not lying.

They found plastic sheeting covering the floors.

And then a plywood board with handcuffs on each corner. Which you can see online as well. Dildos and other torture devices. And then also his forwarded kind of line had a wooden crate with air holes drilled in the sides. Pegboard walls.

And in the rear of the van were rigged with several several several several rings and hooks. It was part of the fucking story. And last podcast on the left. The shit that the Henry Zabowski saying is some of the funny.

It's just I've ever heard. Yes. It's like. He's a master. Yeah.

There's a lot of triggering shit in there. But that part's great. Okay. And inside the crate were several strands of human hair. There's still skeptical though.

And so, Henry's like let me show you something. He leads detectives to a southwest Houston boat shed rented by Coral. Gives the names of three boys they could find buried in there. And that had been reported and the coach like well, those boys had been reported missing for three years. And so they start to dig.

This is the part in last podcast on the left. We're so upsetting and fucked up. I think even Henry was upset at this. Yeah. Because it's so disturbing.

Well, there's this document. They're only good. Documentary was on YouTube. It's called 1973 Houston mass murders. But be careful because they show them digging bodies out.

Yeah. And the other part that's so insane is they get inmates from the local jail to help them dig it out. And like what if you had gotten a DUI and they were like come dig out. Like you're going to be fucking scarred for life. You know, and everything about that part where it's like they just got some people who are not qualified.

Basically as a punishment to uncover like killing a killing boat shed.

Like the moanage of boys. Yeah. Okay. So they begin to dig and find a body within minutes. They find the first body.

Okay. So let's go to Dean Coral. There's a ton of shit about his childhood. I don't think any of it's relevant. It's like the typical kind of shitty childhood.

Mom of dead divorced. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

“But it's not, I don't think it's that important to the story that I'm telling.”

So I'm not going to fucking talk about it. He ends up in the heights neighborhood of Houston. And that's where a lot of this takes place. The heights neighborhood is kind of the sport under privileged neighborhood. And the, you know, back then children ran a muck.

Yeah. You do it over the fuck you want. Yeah. So the reason he got his name, the candy man is he worked in his family's candy company. And then in 1965, the candy company moved across the street from an elementary school.

And he was known to give free candy, the local children. I mean, it's, why not dress up like a clown. You've got everything else horrifying going on. I mean, yeah, it's like 1973. They're like, go hang out with that nice man and get you candy.

Absolutely. Yeah. No, it's not then. But it shouldn't be, right? Not then.

But like now that we know what we know. It's just like people. It's like people are like, oh, I'm not trying to catch any fish. I'm just making this huge fishing lure. That, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

“It just like, what would make children come around all the time?”

What's that movie that has, um, what's his name? Matt Dylan and the, the kids take over the town. Oh, on the, on the edge over the edge. Over the edge. You mean where they're just partying in the suburbs.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Watch that movie. And that's what to me.

It seems like this time was like it's a good movie. But also you just were out. Tell whenever you wanted to be. You had total freedom.

To hang out with fucking perverted.

Yeah. There was 30 year old men. Yes.

“It was the thing of if they're an adult, they're in charge.”

Yeah. If they're an adult, they're fine. Yeah. Like that's all it takes to qualify as you have a job in a car. And you don't have like long hippie.

And you're a good guy. Yeah. Yeah. So he was known to get free candy out in particular teenage boys. And they let he made a whole recroom for them to hang out and with like a pool table and shit.

He's big and broad shoulders, thick black hair and sideburns. He was known in the words of one of the reporters, a pleasant smiling candy man of the heights. Mm-hmm. And then bread flags. Aren't they all?

Yeah. I don't know. Red flag. Yeah. I don't.

There's a couple pictures of him. There's not a lot. And he just looks like a normal dude. A normal like nice looking guy. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's not.

“He's the creepiest in that he clean cut.”

Yes. He did it exactly right to not get caught. He did it so right. Okay. So in 1967 he befriended 12-year-old David Brooks.

He was in sixth grade. His family life was kind of falling apart. And so Brooks was taken under Dean's wing as like a mentor almost. He Brooks said about him.

He was the first adult male who didn't make fun of him.

And that he was like a father figure. Which is insane. Yeah. So as a teen, as when Brooks became a teen, coral paid him to allow him to perform Felicia on him.

And he began living with Dean a lot since he was from this broken home. And I'm sure his family was like great. He's got an adult role model. Yeah. But according to those who knew Brooks, the teenager wasn't gay.

He had a girlfriend who lived in the Heights, but the soldier man who had known him since he was 12 was like, help me. Yeah. Basically, well, that's growing. What Head of Biles do is they pick them.

They only pick children who aren't being protected. Yeah. This kid, they say that he was an introspective young kid. So he probably didn't have a ton of friends. His parents were divorced and moved away.

So, and all of these fucking documentaries and all of these stories, they call Dean Coral Homosexual and I can't fucking. I don't think that's right. I think he's a pedophile.

“And that's what the same thing is being homosexual.”

Right. He even had a girlfriend. Dean Coral. Yeah. Yeah.

He's a pedophile. Like, that's not homosexual. Right. So, that's also, I think, may it could be to your reading things from Texas in like the E.B.

Yes. Maybe where there's not, you know, people hadn't caught up all the way to like what, what are we really talking about? Because most pedophiles are straight men.

Yeah. That's like governmental. Well, I still see it like copied in articles. You know, the homosexual. Like just these a pedophile who liked young boys.

Right. So, right. I don't know. That's not what it works me. Like, I feel like if I had said that, we get an email from someone to be like,

that's not, you know. And right. He's correcting it. And I totally agree with that. Yeah.

Exactly.

So, Dean Coral's first known murder victim is 18 year old Jeffrey Conan on September 25th,

1970. He'd been hitchhiking from the University of Texas and was dropped off near Dean's apartment. And they think that Dean offered him a ride and he gagged him with a claw. And strangled him. After the murder of Jeffrey Conan David Brooks.

So his, his fucking kid who was 15 walks in on Coral in the act of assaulting two teenage boys who Coral had strapped to apply with torture board. Yeah. And Coral promised Brooks a car in return for his silence. He told Brooks 15 years old that he is part of a gay pornography ring.

He had been paid to send the boys to California to post for photos. That's what his story was. It's so you don't have to worry about it. Yeah. Somehow.

But then later Coral confessed that he had killed the boys. And he offered David $200 for any boy. He could lure to Coral's apartment. And at this point, it seems like Brooks. People say he didn't have a choice.

Right. He was in now part of it because he had not told about the two boys. He had seen him molesting. And also this is a life change that's been introduced by a person he trusted. Yeah.

So he doesn't. He hasn't had any other adults in his life that have been reliable. It sounds like or good people. And now the one person that he sees as a good person is introducing all these. Kind of variables where he's supposed to believe this is okay behavior.

Or it's like, yeah, cut this person who supported you for the past, you know, few years out of your life. Or do what's in play along. You're not going to kill anyone, just bring him to him. I mean, it's insane. It's an insane fucking story.

But it's kind of like brainwashing. I mean, really. You know, he's getting people. He's not convincing anybody that's like coming from a great background with a lot of. Solid ground under there.

Yeah. Which isn't in no way to say if you're from a broken home, obviously.

But it's more of the, um, he knew who to pick to groom to basically brainwash into living.

“I mean, aside from doing curls clearly a psychopath.”

It's insane that he was able to get this kid David Brooks to fucking do this for him. And I can't wrap my head around it. I can't imagine a scenario that I'd ever be okay with that. Which means it's a scenario that I can't even imagine. It's like it's something really insane happened that this kid was okay with it.

Right. Or maybe he wasn't okay with it. What else he was already in. Yeah, like he didn't he had nowhere else to go. Definitely. Okay, um, on December 13th, 1970.

So David Brooks lowers two 14 year old kids named James Glass and Danny Yates. He lowers him from a religious rally to quarrel's apartment. Um, you know, the thing of like, hey, let's go party might, you know, I got some weed. And we can hang out at the studio's house. Yeah.

The cool older guy. There was a little table. Do you know who it is? It's fucking, um, it's the movie. My God was wrong.

It's Matt and McConaughey.

It's Matthew, mother fucking McConaughey. Yeah. From days and days and confused. Yes. That's exactly who he is.

“And the victim is the kid from it with the long hair.”

Yeah. The little kid with the fifth, the new freshman. Yeah. That's exactly what it is. Yeah.

And like everyone's like, Dave, Matthew McConaughey is character so cool. No, he's a fucking perverted. He's an old man. He's an old man. He's a gross old man.

Yeah. He wants to hang out with high school kids. But there is that thing of inclusion. If you are living your whole life. So say it is.

Let's use the days to be used. Example. And that kid isn't just getting his ass kicked at school. But there is very violent scenes of him getting his ass kicked at home and home being an unsafe place for him to be. And then you've got Matthew McConaughey rolling up and being like, hey man, it's chill.

Come and play pool. Yeah. Getting my cool car. I'll drive you around town. We'll go to this bar.

Play pool. Totally.

You've found you finally found somewhere to land.

Yeah. You don't want to give that up right away. Like it's almost like he slowly. Evved away or I don't know. There's a better way to say it.

But like it's almost like I bought him. I bought you a car. You know, like he's just only grinding down this kids in our identity. Yeah. It's fucked up.

I mean. Yeah. Definitely. So let's. So the police should arrest me on the economy.

What I'm saying. We have to. Like it's so much worse. You know, our tag one. Always.

So both boys. James Lassendaniates are tied to opposite sides of corals. Torture board and subsequently raped and strangled. Six weeks after that double murder on January 30th, 1971. Brooks and coral find two teenage boys.

Brothers named Donald and Jerry. Waldrip. Waldorp. Waldorp. Waldorp.

Waldorp. Walking. The boys were taken into the van. They were driven in corals apartment. And it's like they don't grab them off the street.

They want a party, which is scary as part to me. Yeah. Um, they apartment where they rape torture and strangle the brothers. And at this point, Brooks drops out of school. Just it's he's 100% with coral.

So yeah, and I bet you he's sorry, but I bet you he's. If there's some. You know, like the moral compass inside. There's probably having to admit self medicates so much. Yeah, just to make all of this okay.

Right. And then having a normal life like school and teachers. No, you're brain can't. No, wrap around. There's no going back to sitting in a classroom after you're doing shit like that.

Totally. So between March and May, 1971, coral abducted and killed three more victims. All of who lived in in the heights area as well. His MO in most cases was gruesome torture and rape. And he'd sometimes sometimes shoot them.

Sometimes strangle him a couple of occasions. He'd leave his victims to die by bleeding out from my gunshot wound. Um, and each of these deductions Brooks is known to have been a participant. Again, they go a lot further into it. If you're okay with gruesome shit in last broadcast in the last.

Yeah. The other two victims was who were 13 year old. David Hill, the guy's and 16 year old. Reg, uh, Winkle and they were abducted and killed together on the afternoon of May 29, 1971. And so, uh, in the case with other parents as well, both sets of parents are frantic to find their kids.

They know something as wrong. These are young boys who don't run away. Um, and one of the people who voluntarily offered to distribute posters at the boys. Uh, was a friend of theirs, 15 year old neighbor. Wayne Henley, lifelong friend of Hill.

So, and this point, 71 Brooks introduces Coral to Wayne Henley.

“Um, remember him from the beginning of the story.”

He's shot and killed Wayne, uh, Dean Coral. Yeah. Uh, and it's possible that Wayne was supposed to be a potential victim. But for some reason, they became friends and uh, Wayne Henley became another accomplice.

We hit it off.

“He was a smart, clean cut, nicely dressed man.”

He listened to me.

He explained things to me.

I'll be honest with you. It was important that Dean liked me. He was kind. Wow. I know.

Which then explains, is it David Brooks? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Explain his participation thing.

Yeah. The value of just being there. And like not being nothing parental, being like the Uncle Uncle. Yeah. Or just trying to like pay attention a little bit.

Yeah. I feel like parents are getting that now nowadays, like in spades. Yeah. But in the 70s, it was just like, your parents were the people that came home and you ate meals.

And they yelled at you. Yeah. Because it was like, they was also in a lower class neighborhood. So it's probably both parents were working.

So they didn't have time to fucking deal with your shit.

Yeah. And you were, maybe you were a bad kid. Let's say. And they didn't. Yeah.

Yeah. You were just one more headache. Yeah.

“I mean, that's how it is for some people.”

It was for a lot of people back then. Yeah. For sure. They headed off. And when he found out, Henley didn't about the murders.

Henley didn't go to the police. Even when, um, Coral told him that he had been the person who abducted and killed. David Hill, the guy's his childhood friend. Coral pushed Henley to bring him another boy. And he picked Frank a choir.

A good friend of his, which is so fucking insane. But I think that speaks to the level of psychopath. That Dean Coral was because they're like the greatest, like, traveling salesmen you've ever met. But that's what they're like. Like that to me is so dark.

I mean, it's fucking crazy awful, obviously.

But like to bring a friend to know that he's going to get at least he's going to get raped. But I mean, I think that the pitch is on Dean Coral side is like, I will like you even more. Yeah. You will get even more for me even better.

Like you show me. Yeah. Yeah. It's like show me how much maybe involved in this. I mean, whatever psychopaths do to get you to hypnotize you into doing what they want.

This guy was good at. Yeah. Very good. I mean, it's insane. Yeah.

Um. Okay. So they bring him. Okay.

“They play the game, which we fucking have heard again again and again.”

The handcuff. Okay, good old handcuff game, the one where Henley and Brooks put on the pair of handcuffs behind their back. They have a secret key. And they're like, see, they're trick handcuffs.

You try it. And then he tries it. Nope. And he's he's stuck. Oh, you just picture it.

It breaks my fucking heart. If you are ever in a scenario. Age. Anything up till any at any point in your life. Let's say there's no age limit on this game.

And someone says, let's play the handcuff game. They're like, let's play the handcuff game. And they're like, let's play the handcuff game. And they're like, let's play the handcuff game. And they're like, let's play the handcuff game.

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“And they're like, let's play the handcuff game.”

And they're like, let's play the handcuff game. And they're like, let's play the handcuff game. And they're like, let's play the handcuff game. And they're like, let's play the handcuff game. And they're like, let's play the handcuff game.

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And they're like, let's play the handcuff game. And they're like, let's play the handcuff game. And they grab his little brother and he goes missing. And the parents know something as wrong. In a lot of the, in a lot of the documentaries,

they're like, they thought they were runaways or like, they were poor. And they didn't care at that point if they were runaways. Which, from what I read and when I can tell, it's not true. His parents knew something was wrong.

Yeah. So they captured and killed a 20 year old father who had been living in the heights and was hitchhiking. They snatched homework. See a boy from Southwest Houston who was going to driver's ed with fucking Henley.

Oh. And then two boys who had just moved into a apartment across the street from Henley's house. Then it was to cheer up Billy Lawrence. And he was forced to write a letter to his father saying, Daddy, I hope, you know.

I, at the end, he's saying, I'm going to go away for a little while. I got this job, I'll be back in town. And then he read at the end, Daddy. I hope, you know, I love you, your son, Billy.

He was kept alive for three days on the plywood because Henley, later said coral, quote, really liked him. Next was Rusty Branch. And in the total, so in total 28 boys from the Houston area, disappeared in a three fucking year span.

28 28 boys, aging from 9 to 21, 11 went missing from the same junior high school. 11 teenage boys, not teenage 13, 14 year old boys, 12 year old boys, from the same junior high school. Red fucking flag, principle, whatever your name is. Where is anybody doing anything?

Principal Dave. Call the police. And at least 20 of them had been residents of either the heights or a joining neighborhoods. Many parents of the boys were had desperate searches for their kids. Some took out.

So there were people who took out a loan to hire private detective.

“And remember these are people who don't have money.”

Offered a large reward, called the police constantly. They employed multiple psychics in the end, police were even aware that anything was a mess. Of course, they did the fucking. They're all runaways. Yeah, 28 boys and three years in their all runaways.

So it was the norm, though, in the 70s, especially kids who came from the heights, who, police just wouldn't even look into it. Okay, about the police, I don't want to blame them. And dismiss them as being shitty at their jobs because there was a lot going on at the time, which made it a perfect hunting ground for quarrel.

Houston's crazy domineering police chief Herman Short. He believes in an old school way of law enforcement. He Houston was exploding in population. There was a fucking ton of money. So there were really rich people there on that too.

They really cared about. They had an understaff police force in 1970. They had hats the minimum to police depopulation. And this is in places where there's a lot of crime going on. And they underpaid the cops.

Federal funds were available, but short refused. Any federal assistance calling at a handout. Oh, no. No, no. It's like a wild fucking west.

Get out of here. The workload is so crazy that many cops just gave up. And they played a game of who could leave work that earliest. So parents who had lost their sons on one side of the heights had no idea that their parents on the other side of the heights who had also lost sons.

So there was. It was just a disorganized. Insane hopeless hopeless. Let's thought of being a parent. And not being.

I've always thought about that with the runaway thing.

Or it's like, you know your kid better than anyone. There's something wrong. Also just that the idea that there essentially, what it sounds like is there was almost no police force for them. Right.

Which is horrifying. Talk about this is an amazing venture. Here's your next movie too. Because the candy man, which in and of itself is a huge horrifying story. Like the fact the name is like spot on.

It's one of those like classic. Yeah. But then on top of that he's so. He's clearly so smart. Yes.

The incoral is so smart and the opportunity. He got lucky. He got lucky that it was that period of time. And then he was the master manipulator. But that part.

“I remember when Marcus was talking about that part in their thing.”

And the details they gave about all those things.

It was mind blowing where it's like there's always.

You know, it's like the same thing happened in the late 70s. And like in LA in the late 70s.

They were all competing with each other. So they wouldn't do cross county communication. They wouldn't do what they're going to have. A lot of ways of even if they wanted to. There was no internet.

“You couldn't call them be like, do you have someone who is strangled?”

And it's like this tons of other things going on. Yeah. At the same time. There's all kinds of stuff. And it's all.

Yeah. Everything's like right a letter. Oh yeah. I want to find out of something happened in the valley. Yeah.

Right. And that chief short did do an attempt to make sure. The crimes didn't happen after they found out about it. Was orders officers to raid the city's gay bars. Uh huh.

Problem solved problem solved. Okay. All right. Good job. Okay.

Let's go back to the beginning of the story. I can send me three. Wayne Henley leads skeptical police to the boat shed. That Dean Coral rented. They start to dig with the help of fucking inmates.

And they found the first body in a matter of minutes.

Then two more. Then another six underneath them stacked up. Henley also led authorities to a location near a wooded area near Sam Rayburn Reservoir. Were four bodies were uncovered. The day after Henley's arrest David Brooks turned himself into the police.

Henley hadn't even mentioned him. He didn't run out. I know. And together they led police to a location on the on high island. It's like if there's like a scenes of them digging in at a beach.

It's crazy. Wow. But like people camping and there's fucking bodies. So they found six more bodies at high island. And within a week the remains of 27 young males had been found.

Wow. A week after the first bodies are found. Despite a few thousand missing persons reports having come in from 1968 to 1970s. The authorities, they call out the excavations. Despite the fact that even Henley and Brooks told them they knew where other bodies

could be located. They just decided that's enough. Well, I think they didn't want the death toll to get higher because it looks so bad. Yeah. Oh, five things that they were like already under so much scrutiny by the media that they stopped.

Can I just say this to people if you're ever in a situation where you're in charge of something that's going to total shit.

“The only thing you can do at a certain point is let the truth come out.”

Yeah, because you pretend like that idea is so to me such a like male in his 60s. I'm in charge of this watch. Listen to me, everybody. It's a narcissistic in a way that I can't put myself in those parents. She's that they might want to find like I don't understand what anyone else is.

He's prioritizing what it looks like for him as opposed to what it feels like the victim. He probably can't even begin to comprehend other people's emotions. Well, and also, but also, he's in a situation that he's not trained for.

He's never even thought what happened, but the he screwed screwed up from the get go.

Yeah. And, and, but the when you're at that point, let it all come out because you have to think of like long term how it looks. And also what your actual job is your job is job is to protect people. You can't now pretend like you protected anybody because that's off the boards entirely. Yeah, why am I talking about this? I'm not giving advice to this fucking sheriff for some 40 years ago.

But it bumps me out because I know you watch people make these decisions where it's like, okay, well, now I'm just going to scramble to cover my own ass. It drives me crazy. Yeah, where it's like, it's that part's over. Yeah, it's everywhere. It's like my therapist will always say when I get these calamity things in my head of everything's going to fall apart.

She's like, okay, what do you, what can they not take away from you? It's like they can't take away events, they can't take away my cats, they can't take my family, I'm healthy still. It's like, it's going to suck and you're going to look like a piece of shit, but it's going to be okay in the long run. Don't add to it. Don't fucking add to it by lying.

Don't lie. Don't lie because here's the other thing too. It's something where you, you can, you can lie obviously. And in the moment, you're going to think that that's a good thing. You're out of it.

“You're tripling down on how bad you look when you tell a lie because here's the thing, and I just, this is a recommendation lying in general as a, as a great, huge liar all my life.”

You always get caught and it's humiliating and you look ten times worse than you actually are because you think there's a sight, you think there's a shortcut.

You think you can get of it by just saying something. Please just know there's always someone around who knows the truth and knows your life and you're doubling down. You're absolutely right because then you can't come back and be like, okay, this is what actually happened. It's like, but you also lied about it. So you're even a bigger piece of shit.

You're just making everything worse. Like the best thing, and this was like training from from high stress TV daily TV production where it's just come clean immediately and start fixing it. Yeah. That's the only thing that was ever solution.

Yeah, but when you lie and you go like, oh, someone else told me, well, then you're delaying the fit. Yeah.

“And delaying the fix is really the worst sin of all.”

Because lying is just, that's just for your ego. Yeah. But you have to fix it. Yeah. The 70s.

The 70s stop lying. The 80s need to go to prison. The 70s need to stop lying. The 90s. I mean, I'm not ready to talk about the 90s.

We'll go there.

We can't give you all our advice in one episode or you'll never listen again.

Listen. We have a lot more of a fucking look. Advice. Look and listen to our advice and take it. Any advice?

That's right. Okay. It's first time travel. Okay. So, Henley and Brooks get life sentences.

They're still alive. Go back in the 173 Houston mass murders video on YouTube. They are. The cameras are rolling while they're excavating bodies and Henley is talking. And he is telling reporters what happened.

He couldn't stop talking. It's. It's pretty incredible. There's a video. There's a part where he calls his mom.

Mama. I killed Dean.

“There's a part of him on the phone with his mom.”

As like cameras are working. Yeah. Well, also because I bet you those kids were in complete trauma mode. They were like in shock. Yeah.

It's over. I mean, yeah. That's over. That's crazy. Okay.

I mean, I have to. I mean, I have to. It's my fucking psyche. Okay. But just.

Well, don't do that damage to your husband night mirroring. Yeah. Of course. It turns up in some of Henley's possessions. And when presented with the photo, Henley said he didn't recognize the boy, which is

but true. It means there's at least one other victim. A 29th. That's the FBI. It's a very good thing.

It's a very good thing. It's a very good thing. It's true. It means there's at least one other victim, a 29th. That's the FBI identified.

Oh my God. It's also guess that there could have been past accomplices who became victims themselves. That would make sense. Just as Henley might have as well.

And based on his skill and MO of the first killing, it's very doubtful.

That was actually his first. The kid who is hitchhiking. Yeah. And I completely believe it. Right.

There's no way. A reporting in Barbara. Jackson and Dr. Sharon Derek, a forensic anthropologist with the medical examiner's office in Houston. Now, we're working to identify the three victims that have yet to be named. These women are fucking awesome.

And then to end it, I just want to quote Willie Glass, the brother of Jimmy Glass, who is who disappeared. Or who was killed. Said Dean Coral didn't just kill 27 boys. He killed 27 families.

And that's my story. Wow. Yeah. I mean, Dean Coral. That's now amazing.

I don't ever want to think about it again. Yeah. Yeah. The tell day of adventure. Excited movie.

The Finch. Oh, God. Yeah. That would be. That was great.

I mean, that's. That's the best kiss in our view. You can do of. There's some details in that in that digging. Oh, yeah.

That will be with me forever. Yeah. I mean, there's some general mutilation that I didn't talk about. There's some fucking torture or torture stuff that I just can't. And also you know what it is.

If you've seen one thing, if you've accidentally read or seen something, that's about this, that's what it is. Yeah. You know what it is. You don't need more of it.

Yeah. I mean, I understand the thing of like your curiosity gets the best of you. But I stopped doing that a little while ago, only because it becomes all the same.

And then you're just basically doing specifics of faces or hair colors or whatever.

But it's the same. Yeah. Horrible scenario. Yeah. I mean, I just, you know, I do this thing where I keep going back to that Polar.

They found. And I look deep into this kids eyes to see if I can. What I can suck out of it. You know what I mean? And like he looks like he's in a box or it's a blurry photo.

And you can see like, there's a toolbox next to him. And I just try to keep putting myself in his shoes. And I can't do that. Like it's. Well, there's no like I have to.

But I mean, what to what value to what end. It's just being empathetic of this story is that I'm. You can be empathetic and know nothing about it. I'm empathetic and all I did was listen to what you told me. Yeah.

I mean, it's horrifying. But that's also, you know, everybody has different experiences with actually looking at the thing. Yeah.

“Just don't get confused about what you know what I mean?”

Yeah. What I need to do. Do what's good for you. Yeah. Nightmares aren't good for you.

Yeah. That's not the point. Yeah. Oh, the candy man. Oh, the candy man.

Oh, the candy man. Hey, hey, everyone will suffer under the candy man. Okay. We're back.

Yes. So there are in 2020.

David Brooks died in prison of COVID-19.

And then Elmer Henley has been denied parole several times over the years. Most recently in November 2025. His next parole hearing will be in 2035. But a couple things to look out for in 2025. Journalists lease Olson's book, The Scientist and the Serial Killer.

The search for Houston's lost boys was published. That was centers around Dr. Sharon Derrick's effort to identify corals victims. And then also there is a documentary based on a book called The Serial Killer's Apprentice that I started reading. You can stream that on like HBO Max.

I believe. And it's written by Katherine Ramsland and Tracy Olman. And that is just, I mean, yeah. It's about Elmer Wayne Henley, you know, being groomed to become this killer and what didn't mean and what, you know, what level of responsibility does he have, you know,

which obviously is something. Right. Well, and all the other questions that they, my dad brought this case up to me the last time. Really? At home.

Yes, and I was like, he, and he was bringing up all the things that you say where it's like, "How could that go on so long? How could no one know?

“How could he get that kind of like brainwashing control over a person?”

Is it because he was like on drugs? It was that weird time of the 70s. There's just so much to dig into about this case that's so extreme and so horrific. Yeah, the serial killer's apprentice, I recommend it. It's just continues to bubble our minds.

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Hi, I'm Danielle Robe, host of bookmarked the podcast by Reese's book club. And this week on bookmarked, we're basically hosting the ultimate girls night. Reese with her spoon, Jennifer Garner, Judy Greer, Rita Wilson, and Gary Rice and author Laura Dave. These are the women behind season two of the Apple TV series The Last Thing He Cold Me. We're talking about turning a book into a hit show, and what it really takes to bring a story to life.

“The most important metric for me is do I want to share this book with somebody?”

That's what creates community, and that's the main thesis of our book club. And why we started it was just to connect people together. Listen to the bookmark by Reese's book club podcast on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Well, mine is, this is actually, it's not firsthand.

I guess it's kind of second hand, but I wanted to do this one for a while.

I just didn't know any details, and when I would look it up, it was always very big.

There was an app story, and then one of the shows that is on my DVR that comes up every couple of times, every once a month, maybe. It's a show called demons in the city of angels who have you heard of it? No. Okay, so that's where when I did the publicist that got mad. Yeah.

It was from that. That's when I first saw that story. I was like, oh, I remember that. Well, this one is the story I wanted to do, and it came up one day where I was like, oh, my God. And it's the murder at the silent movie theater. Oh, remember this? Yeah. Okay. So demons in the city of angels narrated by an incredibly intense

“man named AJ Banza, who I believe himself was a crime reporter.”

I'm not sure what, I don't know that much about him, but I think he has a true crime background. But now he's hosted lots of shows. I've seen him on other things, but now he narrates this show. And it's all crimes that happen in LA. I love it. I'm going to watch it. It's pretty good. But this one, I was just so happy because it's the tea, the detailed versions of this story. So it's 1997 Los Angeles. I moved here in 1994.

When did you move here? 98.

So this was kind of like one of the first big that, I mean, I moved here the year of the earthquake.

And AJ and it's, right, it's all that stuff happened. She's right around the same time as when I moved here. So this was kind of the next big one. Yeah. And this, there's a silent movie theater on Fairfax at Melrose, just below Melrose.

It's in flux because it is, it was bought by a company called cine family that was doing these amazing.

Their calendar was incredible. I am a member. I know tons of people who are members, and they would show amazing, either new movies or, you know, directors, whole weekends of directors films, all this stuff was this was really a fun creative place.

“And then, and then they very recently, I think it was like three months ago. I got an email saying all films, all like of all of our plans are suspended right now.”

Because these huge sexual harassment, like accusations came down the pike, and they're like, until we know what's going on, we're not doing anything anymore. With the, with the heads of cine family. Yeah, the people who are running it. So I don't know details about any of those things, and that's not what my story is about. But it's a bummer because this movie theater has had issues since, I mean, like, I'm very interested to know what was there before.

Yeah, because it's never not had bad vibes.

Yeah, it's like something's going on because there's never not something some issue. So we'll go to, this is the night January 17th, 1997. And this is the anniversary of the sixth year of the reopening of the Silent Movie Theater.

“So I think before this, the movie theater had been built by Dorothy and John Hampton.”

They bought an empty lot there on Fairfax, and they built the theater from the ground up. And so this guy, Larry Austin, got a job at the theater when he was 19 years old. He was a local kid. He grew up in the Fairfax district, but he was gay. And in his teens, his father rejected him, his father basically kicked him out of the house. And he, the Hampton basically took him in like family. So he started working at the Silent Movie Theater in its original form when he was 19 years old.

Yeah, and he was super into as many people, when you live in Los Angeles, there are a lot of people, it's all about kind of who you know and how connected you are to the movie business.

But movies are a little fancier. And this, I think Larry always wanted to be in show business in some way.

And working at the Silent Movie Theater, he was, you know, he did everything for this family, from wanting was 19. He was with the Hampton's for 37 years. So he really was like a son of this, and told theater closed in 1979. And it was basically, it was just kind of a place where people who cared about film and, you know, movie buffs and stuff would go to watch Silent films. But it wasn't like doing, you know, a great business or whatever. So they ended up having to close.

And then in May of 1990, John Hampton died. And after he died, Dorothy Hampton was really depressed, and Larry Austin convinced her to reopen the theater. He thought that would be the perfect thing for her. And she agreed. And so they decide that they're going to go in. The, the, the theater was basically kind of left just standing for 10 years with nothing going on in it.

So they have to hire a contractor to come in and basically help them rebuild the theater so they can reopen.

“And the contractor's a guy named James fans sickle. And as they work on the theater and slowly rebuild it, Larry Austin, who at this point is, I think he's in his early 60s.”

And Vince sickle, who is in his late 30s and start having an affair. The contractor and the guy who was family, basically like a son. Yeah, got it. Exactly. Okay. Um, the guy whose idea was to reopen and with the widow Dorothy. Got it. And so they basically put all of their work. And Larry lives in the apartment above the movie theater. Cool. And even though there was one, I know, awesome.

Don't you love that idea? Yes. Like when you go into the theater, the popcorn stand is on the right. There's a set of stairs. Um, that's over there, too. Right. And I think that goes up to the projection booth, but I like to picture that that also then again, you walk fast the project and booth. Then there's my bed, a little gingham, a cot and a kitchen table.

I love it. But I don't really know because I haven't been up there, but that's what it. That's how it is in my mind. Okay.

So six years after the reopening, so they reopen it, everything goes great.

“Dorothy is thrilled and basically they're back in business.”

Yeah. And, um, but eventually Dorothy has to get moved into an old folks home anyway.

So on the sixth anniversary of the reopening of the silent movie theater, Larry decides he's going to play the first movie that played there when it originally opened, which is the movie sunrise.

There's also a bunch of short films that he's playing, and it's kind of just like a big, you know, celebration of the silent movie theater. Um, so this is January 17th, 1997. If I haven't already said that 17 times. Okay. So that night there's like 60 people in the theater, um, which is packed for that. If you picture 60 people, that's like fucking wall to wall. Yeah. Um, half an hour into the program, and also Larry, when they reopened it, and I don't know if he did this before, but he definitely did it on the reopening in 1990.

He used to go up and introduce every night, every movie, everything in a touch see it. Oh, I love him. Yeah. So this was like his really his life. And people really famous people used to go to that theater to watch movies. It was kind of like, um, you know, it was like a very hipster thing. I'm in the movies. I'm in fucking silence. Yeah. I know the owner. He's so cool. Yeah.

Exactly. So Larry goes up and he's like, tonight, it's a buster cake and feature, whatever.

And he like, basically, if you don't know that much about silent film, you are still introduced and kind of brought into that world.

And that's really lovely way. And he was like, he made them special. Yeah. You're not just going to see a movie. It's a production. Yes. And it's like old Hollywood. Yeah. And that was he was like the crowning glory. Yeah. He's like, like a nightly, he had a job where you got to wear a taxi to every night. Totally. He was into it. Um, and just, you know, after they read the whole theater, Larry Austin kept James Vanceicle on as his projectionist.

“So Vanceicle was interested in films. I think at least no enough to become the projectionist.”

But basically, this, this relationship grew up out of them rebuilding the silent movie theater. And Larry Austin's friend said he was over the moon. I mean, he, he thought and gets this hot young beefy contractor and they're working on his, the love of his life. This project, you know, that he's worked on all of his life. He, they said he was so thrilled. There's a friend of his is in the, um, demons in the city of angels where he just says like he would look at him like when he talked like he hung the moon.

I mean, he was just completely in love. And they lived in the little apartment together over the movie theater. And that's the end, right? And that's all I have to tell you about today. Two children from an, um, weight really quick. Yeah.

Um, something terrible happens. So on this, the night of the, let's say it was very first story.

It's like me with this story. Don't tell me, don't tell me about the crime scene photos. On the night of the six year anniversary, Larry goes up tonight. We're going to watch sunrise and then all these other short films and data. He goes back out into the lobby into the ticket booth and about half an hour into the program. A guy gets up and comes out and says he wants to buy tickets for a future showing. There's a girl named Mary Giles.

I think her last name is pronounced, Giles or Giles.

“And she's 19 years old. She works the concession stand and she's like, oh, you need to talk to Larry about buying future tickets.”

And when the door opens to that ticket booth that's in the front of the theater. The guy pulls a gun at 357 magam out of his pocket and tells Larry he wants all the money from the ticket booth. So Larry gives him all the money. He pulls everything out of the cash register and gives it to him and comes out of the booth. And with Mary, uh, he hands the money over and the guy with the gun takes the money, drops it and shoots Larry in the face. In the face, in the fucking face. He shot him.

Once in the face, Larry goes down and then he turns and shoots him, like, I think three more times. Oh my god. Just like to make sure he's dead. No. Then he turns to Mary Giles and shoots her twice in the chest. She's just a fucking girl working at the, she's just a girl working at the movie theater.

So that, yeah, the way I pictured it in my head all the time is like so much different than it actually that it happened in the theater. Well, because also, and I didn't know this until the first time I went to the silent movie theater, it's a fucking tiny. Yes. There is no, it's not like, you know, you're fucking eye max theater. It's a tiny little space.

Yeah, a tiny office in the front. Yeah, so this is our close quarters. Yes, it's very close quarters. Like it feels almost New York style of course. Yeah, it's quarters. It's a mini, like art house movie theater.

Yeah.

Right.

“And it was perfect because you could see it perfectly.”

There was no bad seats and the place was packed. So it was like, everyone was excited to see that. It's like a small town movie theater reminds me of. It's just like one screen. That's it.

Yeah. Anyways, he shoots Mary. He's fucking shoots Mary also. And then runs out through the movie theater. So he has a front door. He can run out and be right on fair Saturday.

You do that. He ran through the movie theater shot under the air while these people are watching the movie. And then runs out the back door where the patio is. Oh my gosh. So everyone in the theater witnesses this guy with his hood pulled up shooting into the air.

Of course, I don't freak out. Yeah. So, you know, the police come Mary gets taken to the hospital and she survives. Oh, good. So they're the fucking chest and Mary survived.

She was the chest. Two to the chest. Yes. Girl. Okay.

So. Every interview in the episode. No. Okay. Everyone was so freaked out by this.

I completely remember it happening. I remember everybody talking about it.

“And at the time, we had just started doing stand-up comedy shows at Largo.”

Which is. I lost down the street. That's so scary. Yes. So one of the first.

So the guy that owns Largo, which is now at a different much larger location is a guy named Mark Flannigan. He's the owner operator. And he's one of those. He's an Irishman from Bell Fast. He's full of shit.

His eyes are dark brown. He's full of shit. And he is one of my favorite people on the planet. He's one of my closest friends.

And he's the kind of person that starts to talk to you when you very first meet him.

He love it. It's my favorite. It's the kind of person that's just like anyway. Yeah. And he's one of the first stories he ever told me.

Because after the shooting, they had just opened Largo at that location, which is now, I think it's a bar called The Diamond. Yeah. Something like Diamond. You're probably right.

And now it's a very cancer area. It doesn't look the same at all. They like dotted it. Oh, really? They read it the whole thing.

I think. Oh, I haven't been in there. But they had just opened Largo. And they were just starting to get like the music axiory night and stuff. And James and sickle came down and told Flanagan what happened.

Like Larry got shot. He's murdered. We don't know what's happening. The police are investigating it. The carpenter told was telling him this.

What's that? The carpenter was the carpenter. The carpenter. Yeah. This planning and telling me telling the story of the guy coming down.

I don't know why I made him a carpenter. But well, that's what a contractor is. They can just do more than carpenter. Right.

So he basically comes down and says we want to have a memorial fundraiser.

Is there anything you can do to help? And Flanagan's like, well, you can have it here. So they have a memorial fundraiser for Larry Austin and for the silent movie theater at Largo. Oh, my God. In March of 1997.

Are you there? No. This was before. Just say yes. But remember the lies.

Because then the seven people from Largo are like, I was there. You weren't there. Absolutely weren't there. But he was like, well, of course, this is these are our neighbors and people want to be good. People only just open this business.

We want to play ball, whatever. It was Flanagan and John Bryan. The famed musician who also was kind of like, had, I don't think he was an owner. But he was like, you know, this was his home. Yeah, club.

And he, and he of course wanted to help in any way.

“So I think part of the benefit was John played and they got other musicians to play and they raised a bunch of money and gave it to the silent movie theater.”

And, you know, Larry Austin's name. Yeah. Well, it turns out the same night that they have this, which was March 12th of 1997. It's the same night that the police begin to surveil James wants to go because he is the prime suspect in this murder. But he doesn't know it and nobody else knows it either.

But as they were looking into after this crime and they start looking into who's involved in this. James van Sickle is the one person named on Larry Austin's will of who the, now what also nobody knew was the movie theater, the land and all of the films in the inside.

The whole thing was worth over a million dollars.

I bet that land, man. If you own that land. Oh, yeah, in LA and LA right on Fairfax. Yeah. So they start looking into James van Sickle's past and his like basically his record and they find out.

But it was dismissed after the victim failed to appear in court.

So that just, that just went away.

“He was sentenced to four years in Orange County for selling drugs, transporting and selling narcotics.”

He served half that time at Chino and he also had a check fraud charges that were pending. So I guess there was still working on that. He had several aliases. He had multiple California driver's licenses. Oh, fraudster.

Yeah. And in 1996, so the year before Larry Austin filed a police report, accusing van Sickle of assault and battery. Oh, sorry, assault and robbery. Wow. But he ended up dropping the charges.

So clearly, this relationship was not a. Yeah. Lovey. Everyone thought. Yeah, guilty.

Yeah. And there was some serious shit going on. Detective John Miller, who worked on the case, said that they then came to understand that they actually had a very on and on again off again relationship. And that was stormy and that sometimes van Sickle went and lived in Carson when he was not living with Larry. So it wasn't full time like everybody kind of thought.

“Can I stop having on again off again relationships people just off again?”

Just off. If that's what you're going. We're going to have a relationship. Okay. Well, Vincent, I off again once.

And then on again, again, again, everybody. Once. You're allowed one time. Sure. Otherwise.

You're not. Or so sick of you talking about it. If it's on again off again, it just is everybody is knows it's dead in the water situation. You're just like, you're needy. You just can't let it go.

Okay. It's nice from Karen. Interesting. So there's so much. Don't listen.

Well, but as they're looking into it,

“they also find that Larry Austin has a bit of a murky past himself.”

In 1983, he was convicted of one count of grand theft as a result of an embezzlement case. And a company that he worked for. And he actually served 22 months in state prison. And then also, they start to look into his ownership of the theatre

because Dorothy Hampton, who owned it, the widow John Hampton. She, being in the combo lesson home, they didn't track any money going to her from the theatre. Even though she was the rich owner.

So they were afraid that they, it looked like he had Dorothy Hampton's blessing

and this reopening and basically in the ownership of it.

But they didn't have any, they didn't have any proof. She hadn't signed anything over to the app that they could prove. So they ended up freezing the IRS and the LAPD and the freezing Larry Austin's assets and putting the theatre in a conservator ship until they can figure out what's going on because it's not even like, oh, he was killed for the theatre

because it might not have even been hit by his to give to anybody. Definitely. So it turns out there's a break in the case. What they put a sketch in the newspaper of the guy that held up the place and somebody sees that and comes forward to the police and tells the whole story

which is Van Sickle hired this guy who ended up doing the murder. And his name was, it turns out his name was Christian Rodriguez. He was also 19 years old. And Van Sickle hired him promised to pay him 25 grand to kill Larry Austin's. And make it look like a robbery.

And that's why he also shot Mary Giles. Because it was like, oh, what a robber do in this case. So he just fucking took another person out for free. Well, then Sickle said he was going to pay him an extra five grand

to kill any, to basically to make it look like a robbery.

Kill anyone else that was there. Oh, that's horrible. I'm so glad Mary survived. Yeah, it's insane. It's so insane.

It's so fucking crazy. So hurtless. Well, and what it was was he found out he was named in Larry Austin's will as being the person that was going to inherit everything. So he would have, but he apparently was in such debt.

And in, like, such financial straits. He wasn't going to Larry Austin was 74 years old at this time. Yeah. And he couldn't even wait to inherit. Yeah.

He's like, I want all of it now. He was the projectionist the night of the murder. He was there. He came downstairs. He was the one that hit the alarm that got the police there

when she went downstairs and found Larry.

Yes. So he was there pretending to be all upset and freaked out. He told all the friends, the stories and all the friends were like. We thought he was like completely traumatized and that this was just so much of a thing against him.

Perfect that he was there. You know, like, it's just seems like he's less, if he wasn't there, it'd be like, what, where was he, but. Yeah. Anyways.

It's kind of more proof that he was like right there making sure it all went. Totally. So, and essentially he didn't pay. Hey, afterwards, he didn't pay Christian the money.

Uh, don't do that. Yeah.

“And so that's why that guy, whoever the anonymous person was that came forward”

was basically someone who knew Christian Rodriguez.

And was like, he was supposed to pay this money. He didn't do it. Like, you know. Sure. So they, when they go find Christian Rodriguez,

of course, Rodriguez completely turns on totally. James Mansickle. So in April of 1999, Christian Rodriguez is found. Guilty of murder and sentenced to life without parole. And he was also convicted of the attempted murder of Mary

Giles. And then sickle was also sentenced to life without parole. Neither of them got the death penalty. And Mary Giles survived and testified against Christian Rodriguez. Yeah.

In court, she's like, that's the man that shot me two times in the chat. Jesus. Insane land. She's a fucking badass. Insane.

So when all that happens, like the cops come to Flanagan and they ended up, the cops talked to them were like, are you in on it? No. Because your fan plan again. Yes.

They, the cops came almost immediately after the fundraiser.

“Because they're like, how come you're giving money to this guy?”

Yeah. And they're like, oh, we're trying to be good neighbors.

They're immediately like looped in on it and have to basically go like,

yeah, we don't know him. We just thought we'd be nice. Yeah. It does look like they're like, yeah, let's serve fundraiser. Yeah.

It looks like more money for you or whatever. Kind of in on it. I mean, they had to prove they weren't. Yeah. They had nothing to do with it and didn't really know the guy.

Which is one of my favorite. Like when Flanagan told me that story was crying laughing because he's like, we're like basically faking it and trying. Yeah. And like sure.

Of course we care. Yeah. And then immediately they're just like, like, just started this business. Yeah. And now we're under investigation.

Yeah. Now we're in on it. I love it. Um, one of the saddest things that the like final thing that I put at the end of this. Um, is in his court file.

“There was a forgery charge that James Hansicle had.”

That they had a letter from Larry Austin attached to it. Uh, that was attesting to James Hansicle's good character. Trying to get him out of the forgery charge because he loved him because he really did love him. That's so sad. It's very sad.

I want to see photos of them. Uh, look it up. Yeah. You can. And my photos, man.

You deserve it. Because you love my photo. I walk in imagination. Um, yeah. Wow.

That's that. That's amazing. Because I, everyone knows that murder. It reminds me of the Zanko chicken murder. Or it's like, there's this like iconic place in LA.

And it's like here's just fucking insane story behind it. Yes. And there are people like, there was a guy that was trying to make a documentary about Larry Austin. Because of, it was that kind of those early days of like, Back when, you know, Larry Austin would be like everyone would know who he is.

He'd have a website these days. But back then it was like, you had to be, that was back in the, you know,

I like them first days where anything was word of mouth.

Yeah. If you like something cool. It was like person told you about it. The secret underground thing. Yeah.

That you have a stumble upon and know about like comic book shops and all these record stores. And yeah. So there's this guy that was, and this is in the episode of Deans and three angels. There's a guy that was trying to make a documentary about Larry Austin for years. I mean, he was a big fan of the sound movie theater.

This is before he got killed. This is before. Wow. And he would be like, I just want to like follow you around. And whatever.

So this guy was there to a test because he had started this documentary. And he was kind of there. He knew all the players. He like knew everything that was going on. That's crazy.

Yes. Yeah. And did he ever finish it? Because what a fucking crazy finish to it. I mean, I don't know.

I mean, yeah. Because now the finish is, oh, that guy got murdered. Yeah. So I don't think so. I'm probably not.

Yeah. That's not the direction I wanted to know. I mean, it's so horrifying. Yeah. I mean, also, if he did, that would be kind of crazy.

It could be like guess what happened. Just look to me the creepiest time is after someone gets murdered. And before anybody finds out who did it, there's all these people who are pretending.

For months, like basically up until, for months, who can do that?

Yeah. Those people are scary. Yeah. Well, if you don't have a conscience, then it's easy. Yeah.

Right? Yeah. Anyway, we'll shut those great. Thanks. Thank you for sharing.

Thank you for sharing. Thank you. Thank you for listening. Yeah. My pleasure.

Okay. We're back here in any updates on this story. There are some. So not long after this episode aired in November of 2017. Sinna family, the movie theater formally shuddered.

This was due to financial problems as what the official story was. But it's also linked to the allegations that we talked about in that episode. Certain members of leadership had sexually harassed and assaulted staff and volunteers. The talks at work environment and it kind of blew up from there. In late 2019, there was a brief attempt to rebrand the theater as the Fairfax cinema.

But of course, then COVID hit and it didn't really matter that the theater closed again. And then in late 2020, interestingly, a streetwear company called Brain Dead took over the space. So, you know, how there's all those shoe stores and all that stuff. Oh, yeah.

“Like Fairfax there that are kind of near-canners that that's what that whole area is known for now.”

Yeah. So now a streetwear company owns the movie theater and the host, they host screenings there regularly. Now today. Wow. I'm curious to see what it looks like.

We'll grab your skateboard and your backwards head. Let's go down there. My sneakers. One of the British people will call them my trainers. Yeah.

Your trainers in your boot.

If you drive up Fairfax on a Saturday or Sunday morning, there's always a line for

some new shoe drop outside. Yes. It's like around the block. It's insane there. The first time I felt officially old, like, oh, I'm no longer young.

Yeah. It was driving by one of those lineups and being like, what are they doing that for? What is that? Is that the movies? What is their celebrity?

Or would having no idea. I will tell you though. It's not about age because Vince woke up at 4 a.m. The other day to get in the virtual line for a fucking shoe drop. If you're in it, you're in it.

That's what you write. He's a big shoe-hound. He's a big clothes horse. Yeah. What do they call?

Snicker head. A sneaker head. A drooler for shoes. He wears shoes. He loves a shoe.

“So let's head back into the episode real quick for a good things of the week.”

Happy things this week. Oh, yes. What you got? This is super dumb. But I think it's a small, like,

there's so many things I want to do to fix my house. And most of them are very large. And so I do that thing where if I have a bunch of things to do, I don't do anything because it all becomes for you. Oh, my God.

Every, yes. Right? So you're just like, so don't do any of it. It don't do anything because it's so hopeless. Yeah, blah, blah, blah.

I have to pick one thing. Yeah. Right. Because I'm like, oh, I need to repaint my house. I need to fix there's tons of stuff that I need to concentrate.

A contractor for it. Oh, my God. I don't do it. But instead, I was getting other shit at Target. This is not a commercial.

But I found a lamp at Target, like, just a standing lamp

to go into my front room where there's never good light.

You'll be careful of light in your house and in your surroundings. This is pretty cute, man. Go on. Okay. Did we get the same lamp?

A.

“My thing that made me happy this week was going to target an A.”

And I am this morning. No. B. And my car is a standing lamp. No.

Is it brass colored? Yes. [laughing] Oh, my car is a standing lamp. No.

Is it brass colored? Yes. No. See through glass shape? No.

I saw that one though. I got the one that looks basically like a desk lamp. What the fuck? Yes. How are we?

Okay. Because we're here. Our periods are same. Our targets are same. And our lamps are same.

Yeah. This is our new life. This is our life. Hi. Your my husband.

Hi. My wife. I was just going to say that little change. Of just to make it look slightly nicer in the room. I'm mostly in.

Yeah. It puts me in a great mood. And because I did that. When I got home from Toronto, I looked at the pile of mail on my counter, which is just, I'm assume it's supposed to be there.

And it's just like, it gets kind of high and then I go like this. I think that's really high again. Yeah. I got rid of all of it. Girl, I need to do that.

Yep. And that's why I found that check. Remember why I touched it. And I'm like, hey, I should rip this up right. But I want to double check.

That because it was like laying on top of that pile. What the fuck then? Clear your piles. Guys, clear your piles and get like one new thing that's going to make you feel good. Light.

You see this place at night.

And it presses the shit out of me. Yeah. Like, yeah. Ooh, let's get that lamp up here. Yes.

Help me carry it. See it. Go grab that lamp. So wait. So I just stole yours.

Because that's for you. No. You know what my happy thing is? That we just did that. Yeah.

Okay. We just did that. Samezers. That our period sank this week. That's gross.

Everyone's jammed. I got so excited. I had to text you. That gross. I wrote that.

I'm so sorry.

“And then she wrote back the ultimate sign of friendship.”

I was like, I mean, yay. The news is like, what's that? And call me. It's so much done. Yeah.

Uh, yes. Oh, nice. I love it. That's great.

Now I want to set that lamp up right this second.

Oh, my God. Also, don't be afraid to buy like a 30 watt light bulb. Yeah. Because everything's up right. And I never know.

I got it. Like, how many? I have 18 vintage lamps in here and they're all dim. Yeah. Well, it's because you're cute.

The shades. Yeah. But look at it. They're like those huge shades that your grandma had. Yeah.

That's what I have to. Okay. We're back.

“Karen, did you ever make that room beautiful?”

Or did you move? I can't remember. I think I moved away from that room. So I had no longer had to make it beautiful. But I really loved the recurring.

We got the same lamp element of our lives. We're just like, wait, you got that lamp. I got that lamp. I got that lamp. Our lamps are in sync.

I love that. It's so fun. Okay. So this episode was originally titled The Finch. And if you were naming it today, let's pick a couple of our favorites.

Of course, we have to call it Rocket Business Man. That truly made me laugh out loud. Also, seven red flags was me specifying hanging out with teenagers. Seven red flags. I like that.

I love new math. I thought your dad thought your dad considered it new math. If he couldn't figure it out.

It was always new math spot.

Exactly. Also, high my wife was a funny, funny moment. I mean, they just kept coming. Oh, it's kept coming in this one. That's, yeah, very funny.

And then, of course, there's no fixing. We're not cats. Appreciate that. Appreciate that one.

“It's one to keep the mind in the forefront.”

The true wisdom that's just sitting in these old episodes. You've got a minute for the gold that's there. Speaking of cats and cookies. Let's say goodbye from the podcast back in 2017. Cool, we've done it.

We've done it. We've done it. We've done it again. Thanks for listening everybody. Thank you guys for listening.

You're all fucking angel babies. We couldn't do it without you. We're only doing it for you. Yeah, there's nothing without you. This is all for you.

We're nothing without you. Yeah. It's all for you. And stay sucks. And don't get murdered.

Bye. Elvis. Oh, no. I'm giving him a second. Elvis.

A cookie? Here he comes. There he is. Look, I'll sleep in. I'll sleep in.

Which one is sleepy? Elvis, want a cookie? I want a cookie?

I like the first quiet one.

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