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No, we're in now. No, we're in now. No, we're in now. No, we're in now. We're in now.

No, we're in now. All right, we are back today. We are joined by a very special, very talented guest. I got a beef to pick with you, but I'm going to pick that beef with you after I guess. We shouldn't argue.

We shouldn't fight in front of companies. You should have sent me this project. The night it dropped. I talked about it. I know, but they had dropped you.

But you know, I have ADHD. He's also like, they know, stop what you're doing and play this project. So they were joined by another DMV. We just talked about the DMV.

“And they're being like, you're just a hub for extreme talent.”

A DMV. I'm going to say he's a legend. I decays in the building ladies. Well, ladies, gentlemen. Yes.

I didn't get it.

We never have ladies in the building.

How you feel about that? You never have those. Well, I guess. What the hell? You got to fix that.

We got to fix that. Well, we have some ladies sometime. Okay. Next time I come. Yeah.

How you feeling, man? I'm good. I'm good. Yeah. So ETS, right?

But before we get there, because I was reading up on you. Obviously, been following you for a while. But listen to this project. ETS, even the devil smiles. Available now, DSPs.

If you haven't heard this, it's one of the best projects that you're probably going to hear in the last 10 to 15 year. Oh, not a doubt. I'm getting right to it. How the hell did you get a DMX feature? That's easy.

I'll be a-- Is it easy? I don't mean getting the features easy. Oh, okay. Okay.

Yeah. I did a song for him before he passed. Okay. It's actually me and Denzel Curry. Okay.

And he's done, we just cleared prayers for the project's prior. Okay. So it was like, you know, by the time he, you know, left us, I had to be--

Kachanada and I heard it, and it was a beat I originally passed on. And then I heard that shit. And I was just like, you know, this sound like some rough writers type shit, but like what a little bit of a different swing. And the way I've seen him DJ, it made me understand to be more than before I'd actually

seen him DJ. Okay. So, so I, like, he's just got this thing where he'll play something like that and it'll be ladies dancing to it and all this stuff. And once I saw that vision, I was like, all right, this beat is like a little different than

what I originally thought. And I was like, man, I wonder what happened to them vocals and what they doing with that song. So I had packed from his team and packed was like, you know, I still got it. You know, we don't know what we want to do with it.

And I asked for his blessing to try it on the song. Once we tried it and we all loved it, it was like, oh, let's go through the proper channels, the family, fiancee, everybody to fan kids, to clear it. I got on a call with everybody, let them know my intentions for it and they gave me the blessing.

So, it's the first actually approved or a state approved feature that came out since it passed.

“That's why I love it that question because I, I mean, getting DMX feature while he was”

still with us was tough. Right. How do you originally connect with him? I chased him down and saw myself was to clear this thing. That's a brave thing to do with it.

Yeah, yeah. I really was like, yo, he's performing at this joint.

Because I always like never left that mentality of, bro, I got to make shit happen regardless

of wherever I was at. I don't mind like rolling up my sleeves and just hitting people and staying on top of certain shit. Some people have like a ego about it, but I look at it like how I looked at it when I first started rapping.

I went to a PG, when I got out of prison, I went to PG community college to try to do like computer science and some shit. And I would be like rapping, dubbing the cafeteria, looking crazy by myself, just like writing and stuff like that. And I knew that I looked crazy, but I always knew that at the end of the day, those

same people that thought I was crazy, I'm going to see me where I'm going to be at. And then that's not going to be crazy. I'm going to make sense. Right. So, I have this saying, I wrote this one.

It's locked up fantasy with our reality as insanity. So, I've always been that way. So me, like I was in a place where I didn't necessarily need to chase them down necessarily. Right.

“But I was with all that because when I believe it makes sense to do something, then I'm”

cool to do all that stuff. If it don't make sense, I probably feel weird. Right. But I think it makes sense. And yeah, I'm like, yo, this, this, the way I have of you on this thing is great.

I just want you to bless it. And I brought me backstage and he was like, I talked to him and he was like, it's good. Whatever you need. It's good. Yeah.

Yeah. I was just like, how do you pitch a DMX and I just told him what I was doing? And he was, you know, how to do a religion and my fight with God and whether he's real or not and all these things and I told him the pitch and he was like, it's good. Whatever you need, it's good.

Yeah. I mean, so then it was good. Yeah. Because I mean, your entire geography, you have some of the most impressive features. Yeah.

Go through your whole can. You too. You too. I just be buying your features. I don't know.

How do you kick on him? Yeah. I'll keep it next.

Because you've never, like, struck me as someone that tries to be in the mix so much.

Yeah. So that's where, or even I guess a networker, by the way, so how do you get these types of features? I mean, they are all different. But the real answer is audacity, I just asked, I asked, I hit Jay like trying to go on

a DM and see if you respond. I'm just like that. Yeah.

“And I think I move with, man, I don't, I don't mean to come like, come, like, all”

like this. But this is actually true. It's like a divine energy that I move with. That's really connected in a way where I think things happen. I'm working on something.

I can't speak on it just yet, but when everyone hears that I'm doing this, I think people come be. Some people that's maybe mad, but most people are going to be like, wow, that's crazy that you're doing that. And it's because of the divine energy and the connection that I have.

I really respect people who, especially when someone has passed away and I have a record that I want to do. I speak to them. And I think them for allowing me to opportunity to even do this when they're not here. And the path just starts to clear.

Yeah. I'm just being real. And so that's what it is.

Anything I do, I always make sure that in my mind, this, this, this, and this makes

sense because of this, this, and this. And if it don't add up, I don't want hitting it, because I'm calling you to make sense. I love that you just said to DM Jay like trying to go, I had to fly to the mountains of Mexico, hike up the side of a mountain to grab the pyramid to get my future.

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, you're not joking.

I'm not joking at all. I mean, that's actually sicker than my situation, I would rather be you. That's what I wrote.

“That's why, once I'm involved with me, it's a whole trip to Mexico.”

Yeah, man. Yeah. Jay like is an interesting guy. Yeah, yeah, he's very, one of my favorite people ever, but you just have to be prepared for anything.

Trust me. And moving around, which would have like 1,000%. AR15 had to be put in most faced by the federalist for me to get there as a Mexico to get that future. And we would get more, while times, great times, but Jay is, he's just one of those

people, man. The definition of free. Yeah. He's the definition of somebody that is free. Somebody that does what they want to do, lives, how they want to live.

It's admirable, but it is, you know, when you have, when you meet people like that, you realize like, oh, yeah, like I'm not living, like this person, he's living, right? He's living, right? Awakening up and doing whatever he would ever, the fuck he wants to do. I did you feel the same way with Dunes?

I know you guys have worked before. Yeah, that was a feature on the album. Yeah, yeah. Dunes, that was really special, man, when I say I move with like a divine energy and a certain connection, this is where I think it might, it might make the most sense.

With Dunes, he did a feature for me a while back and dealt a funky homo-safe and got on the song. So I had to cut his verse down a little bit. I didn't have to, but I felt like it was necessary for the song. So he did a pretty long verse and then I grabbed that and I held onto it and not thinking

I'll ever use it for anything. Then I when Red came up, I asked for his blessing to use a piece of it. I wasn't going to actually make it a feature, it was just, oh, that's doing, you know, I mean, and then he passed away. And then when he passed away, I'll still wait and for Jay to give me that verse and he

and me is like, now I got to make sure this happens, you know what I'm saying? He's like, I got you and then he takes, he DM me again, he's like touched down and then

“he sent me the train and that's how that happened and then I still have more left though.”

And by the time I started making this project, I had to go deep within myself and go back to places that I didn't want to go back to, which was being incarcerated behind bars all in that shit and then once I did that, I started writing the records and then I conducted some of this beat. I took what he had, I chopped it and made the verse on that beat as me chopping his beat

and then the hook is the beat he basically sent me.

So then I thought about him like, yo, I wonder if those dome vocals are fit here and it happened to be like the X things similar to BPMs and then I was like, yo, he's talking about being locked up, the irony of him talking about being locked up and that happens to be the piece that I left and I'm talking about being locked up the whole time, I was like this guy to happen.

So that's what I'm saying, like I didn't plan that to happen, I put it together, I went to my experience of being behind bars at that time, you know, trying to cater to food the first stuff, all that shit and I wanted to put you in my shoes for that moment and I did, that's what came out. So and then obviously same thing sent it to the powers that be, I got approved, it wasn't

going to be a feature at first, but then they messed up something on accident on the vinyl and my fans were zooming in on the, you know what I'm saying when I put out the pre yourself and it was like, dude, dude, so I tried to hurry up and change it and then they, and I changed it, but then people were just kind of, it was like nah, I'm so tired.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I never when I announced that I never said anything about doing it and people was

mad, it was like man, how disrespectful is it to not let's do them as a feature on the project, but I wasn't trying to, I wanted to be a surprise and also because it wasn't a full verse, it was just on the hook, I didn't want to gas it, so people were going, okay.

“So that's what happened, and then I just, all right, it's like, I guess we just got to put”

it as a feature then, you know, that's just what ended up happening with that. So speaking of spiritual connections and you being locked up, what did you see on the first inhale of K2? I saw some weird shit, okay, what was me through the day? It was my birthday, okay, and you know, this is when K2 was new and shit, so nobody really

understood how people knew people would trip off of it, don't get twisted, yes, but most

my birthday and my boy, he was just like, yeah, man, I got this done a lot, and you know,

“we smoked it, and you got to, you know, you smoke it slow, so that the high could last”

'cause sometimes the high is really quick, sometimes you don't know what high you're going to get, actually, that's the thing, it's not consistent, so you don't know what

it's going to do to you and I smoked it, and I just started, like, basically everybody

in prison that I saw, it looked like they're cells, but an animal version of them, so myself, like, if you look, like, kind of, like, a camel, okay, to me in the moment you look like a real camel, it was like, but it was, it was dark though, it was like scary, like it wasn't funny, oh, no, I'm sure, it was like yo, and then you know, you know, like, you, you're looking around like, I mean, I'm locked up right now and they get like,

yeah, you're starting to the reality, starting to really kick in like that was kick, I don't know what, when I'm getting out, I'm as much bird as real now, hey, that's my birthday, yeah, I'm looking at this, like, you know, we had, they got me, like, these little donuts and all this shit, my birthday, and I'm like, I don't want to eat none of this shit, this shit, like, I try to eat a taste nasty, I like, you know, I just need some milk, I'm

going to lay on my bunk, and again, let this shit go away, and I remember hearing this B and my head, I still remember the B to this day, I got to make that, I got to make that shit, okay, and it was just a dark ass weird as B, but if I make that B, there's nothing

in music that sounds like this shit, like, actually, and that literally was my experience

doing it, I did it a couple of times though, it wasn't like the only time I did it, also you went back for another case, I think I did it before that, and then that was my birthday

“times, yeah, but that, I think I tried it, I don't remember exactly how much I tried, but”

I'll tell you this, when I got out, I didn't smell weed no more, yeah, I couldn't smell weed no more, after that shit, like every time I tried it, I would get this weird paranoia high then I didn't like, so I just stopped smoking, yeah, I think I accidentally smoked K21s, it was accidentally, it was like, like the synthetic weed, that's when I did, I was around that time, and yeah, it was synthetic weed, but part of me feels like in 2010, that was K2,

when we just didn't really know definitely, it was K2, that's K2, that's what K2 is, - There was a name, I forgot the exact name spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice, spice,

I realized my weed, I was starting to like be not what I remember. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can immediately tell when drugs are not for me 'cause I don't like them or because I may like it too much. - You're right, you're right, you're right.

- Like shrumes, I don't do very often, but I've done them multiple times and shrumes is cool. - Yeah, shrumes are cool, especially micro dosen, isn't it? But like, I tried Coke, I was like, nah, I'm cool 'cause I may end up liking that shit.

So I left that alone, but that K2 shit, when at that one time I smoked it in that living room,

I'd never wanted to go near anything synthetic

for the rest of my life. - Yeah, not fact. - It ain't like nothing about it was cool, it wasn't fun, it wasn't a story we could talk. Like later it was just like, nah, fuck this.

- Yeah, no, no, that shit is cool man, like I mean teach his own, but that ain't my style, like I don't even drink. - I never did shrumes, I had shrume tea before. - Okay, yeah, I just never, like I never like outside of weed, I was never really like with trying.

'Cause I'm scared to have like a tripping that would come back. - Right, right. - That's like my biggest fear, like I'm returning to a whole different person. And I'm not gonna be able to snap my hair.

Like everything is different now. - Right. - And so let's talk about the beginning of IDK, originally from the UK. - Yeah, born and under.

- Born and under. - What AIDS did you come to America? - Two years old. - Oh, so you're American? - I'm American.

- You're American. - More than anything. - But are you still tapped in with the London sound, like London Rapp to London? - Yeah, for sure, I got like gode on my project.

I still like it's in me, you know what I'm saying like for show,

“but I'm mostly just a DMV like, you know what I mean?”

That's mainly what I am DC, Maryland, Virginia, for those of you who don't know. - Now, the DMV, 'cause me were already been talking about it. What is it about the DMV that just keeps creating such unique, such talented artists

like throughout the years in hip hop and R&B? Like this, there's something about the DMV, is it just the culture of the DMV, is it the close proximity and so many different people able to connect with each other like,

like such talented artists?

“- I think that we have some of the highest concentration”

of pure creativity, not creativity meets opportunity to expand creativity, 'cause when you look at LA and you look at New York, it's easier to expand your creativity to an audience because they have the industry there, we just got the raw creativity.

So, you know, when you look at something as unique as go go, then you look at how people have adopted certain cultural things. This is like a big African community there. There's a big Hispanic community there.

Obviously black community, and all of these things, you know, when you kind of put that together and we're all close nearby each other, I think it creates what I like to call a color that doesn't exist, something new, something unique.

And in a way we dress and all of that stuff, you know, we made new balances popular, you know what I'm saying? - When my dad was living in Baltimore in P.G. County, yes, yes, I even got one of these artists, you know what I'm saying? - You know what I'm saying?

- You from New York? - Yeah, and you know anything is me trying to claim the new balance. - Jim Jones tried, which was the kind of fun. - Well, that's Jim Jones.

He's gonna play, he's our soldier boy.

- He was the first to do it, but, no, I was wearing

new balances, and I'm not saying this as a stat, but when they weren't popular up here, and you used to get kind of kind of like new balances. - Yeah. - In Maryland, that's all they wear.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - But we used to be more new balances in the early '90s, though. - In New York, we were new balances in the '80s.

“- And I'm sure you're a dick, but I remember like the '90s,”

like new balances were a thing. - And I remember when I was just born in '80s, but I remember seeing pictures in the '80s. - Well, I'm not, I do know that new balances was definitely something that New York is wore

like early in the '90s, and it's probably before that, but I'm just speaking for me, and my friends, we definitely started wearing new balances in early '90s. - Yeah, up here, and like when my dad moved to Maryland

was like, oh, two, three, four, somewhere in that time,

and nobody was wearing new balances up here. Like when I went down there, it was four and I was like, oh, new balances are inside, and their comfortable is fun. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - But yeah, in the early 2000s, at least my era

was definitely not wearing new balances whatsoever. That was definitely a DMV thing. - And listen, I'm definitely like, I credit New York for popularized in a lot of styles from DC, you know, saying like how people were dressing

or the drug dealers, all that stuff, people popularized a lot of stuff back then in New York.

“And I think there's some sort of an admiration for people”

in New York and how y'all get down in the swag and all that stuff. But show, but the idea, who the butt is coming out of the hat? - Once they give you what's they give you credit and they give you profits, but you gotta get, yeah.

- No, but it's just really one of the things where like, you know, it, I think that DC specifically in a DMV, we do a lot of things and maybe don't get the credit. So a lot of people are vocal about it. That's really more so what it boils down to.

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- What do you think the DMV music lineage is? Like, for example, you could start with disco in New York, which then went to Coolhark, and went to Curtis Blow, Keras, wanting to sew on and sew for it.

You couldn't tell the entire story of New York hip-hop. - Yeah. - Where does DMV start? - Well, so I'm gonna speak with a lack of all of the information and education and answer the best I can with what I understand.

I think the 70s, maybe the late 70s, is when go-go kind of came, but people were rapping over go-go, let's not get that twisted, people were rapping over go-go, and I think people like Chuck Brown,

things like that, they were coming in, then we get to the early 80s. I'm pretty sure, they don't quote me on this, but look it up, we came, punk rock came from DC. - Okay.

- I'm pretty pretty sure, I'm like 90% sure. So we obviously have that. And then, and then I think in the '80s, go-go started to expand a lot more.

“I think that the '90s came, and then we had,”

is a non-challain, five o'clock in the morning, when you go around that time, right? - It's a small area. - And by the way, I'm gonna probably miss people,

No disrespect to anybody that I miss, but I think around that time, that started to happen, when we had like junkyard band, and all these people that started getting like real recognition

“being signed up, I think that's jam ruckers, things like that.”

And then the error where I really started paying attention certain things was when Tabby Bonay and Wally was coming out.

'Cause Tabby Bonay was the first naked from back home

from what I remember to be on MTV, shout out to Tuma. Tuma was working on MTV around that time. And I remember seeing that, yo, this could really happen. - Yeah, yeah. - I started seeing Phil Idae around that time.

- That was a film, right? - So, like, but, you know, a little later actually, but Wally was the first time I really seen somebody, like doing something, you know what I'm saying? And that kind of rubbed off on me, like, it's possible,

'cause not only is he from where I'm from, he's also African, you know, he's talking about the struggle of being an African being made fun of all last year. So it's connecting with me in a real way. So about the time I got locked up and got out.

I remember saying to myself, yo, I'm not gonna take rap seriously, 'cause my biggest thing is I want to rap, but I don't ever want to perform. Like the idea of performing was so crazy and scary to me. - I want to rap, but you don't want to perform.

- No, I just want to put out songs. - Okay. - And I was like, I want to have a bloke of buzz.

Like, while I lay, when he first came out,

but I don't want to be like a big superstar. - Okay, okay. - And that was my mentality going into it. My plan was to finish school, you know, and try to do something with that.

I still got my book from jail when I wrote my plan name, my plan B, and both of them were not rap, at the end. They had rap in it, but that wasn't the end all beyond. And so, but like I'm back to the lineage part,

you know, you go while they didn't you start seeing, like, fat trail in there and then shot glissio. - Yeah. - I was locked up when shot glissio, yeah. I remember being locked up and then like,

yo shot glissio, glissio, he'd be from a fat trail.

“I don't know how I think it's telling me, you know what I mean?”

And then, then it was just mad, other errors, like when you go from that error to the next, I think that's the next error was me starting to be like go link and chat, French people like that. What's coming out should booze, he was around too.

Like should booze, he was always running around.

We mean, him got songs from when he was like, fucking 17 or something like, you know what I mean? And should booze coming up around this time, all of us is like doing our thing, but that gold link way was serious when that came out.

That was like, oh shit, like, you know what I mean? And can't forget, that was all, even before that, it was like boovy, one way boovy, you know, all these street baptisms coming out too, big wax, everybody circle boys, all that.

Then we go to, after that error, you know, we all kind of was doing our thing, we was growing. I wanna say logic was around that time as well, a little bit before that. And then the next error was like when big flock

and Riko Nasty and she bads, Q to four, I'm started coming up, but that was a whole thing. Yeah, then we got young man in all of them guys, Xam man, which is basically they originated, the flow that everybody's really using now.

And then there's probably another error right after that, which is kind of more so now where you get, you know, pay, and you get, who else is out there? You get L, cool stuff, you get it. I mean, I would say that's even a little after maybe

or close to that.

“Where, you know, right now I think after that error,”

or a little special clip went viral, and it was like, oh shit, that's our flow, that's like the DMV flow to the T, you know what I'm saying? But right now, I mean, like, you got people like, even mistake going coming out, they came out a little bit

before round my, my error. Yeah. Like all, like we just got so much shit. Yeah. You went down this list, it's so much talent.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We were, I think it was last episode, when we were talking about a foggy zone, like foggy too. The DMV has a sound, but it doesn't. If that may, I guess 'cause there is just so many different

types of artists where there isn't a definitive sound, but there is. Like I think foggy, and I mean, this respectfully, like I can hear some of Goldlink in his music, to me, which is a very much a DMV type of tone.

Maybe, maybe, I, you know, that was the one thing I was saying, I don't see it all the way, but I can see maybe from outside like in and how it could be. I see the nuance a little more. Yeah.

So I'm like foggy sound, like foggy to me, but like, but when I hear what he's doing, it is, it is a lot of sub-pockets

But it's kind of the same way it is like a lot of sub-cultures in general in the DMV, right?

But ultimately what you may get, that's consistent,

is a certain type of slang, a certain type of respect and flow that's derivative, derivative of Goldlink music. And then after that it just becomes what type of style you want to do over what type of beats, you know what I'm saying? But I'm probably missing like 90% of all of the shit

that's really has been going on in these errors. That's the thing, but we don't have the industry like that. Yeah. So when you hear certain things, they kind of like become like this thing where it's like, it's dope.

Cool, people's taking from it for sure, but it doesn't have the chance to incubate and become this big thing every now and then you get certain things, but not so much, right? And then Brian, like a lot of the artists,

they don't have the foundation around them. So structure wise, like management, certain things like that.

“So that's why I say we are the hub of pure artistic talent”

whether it comes to style, whether it comes to music. All of that shit, like we got that, it didn't pure as form. We got the blue magic here I was saying.

But we don't, we're not always able to distribute it

throughout the New York City. Got it. We're like a better friend. Yeah, I guess. I see with the, noted Lano record with what Lerousa's been doing with the bay.

I see everyone arguing what's the city and what's not the city. Is the clip's DMV or not? Yes, I say yes, I say because I've heard Ferrell say it out of his mouth. Okay, I mean, so I know what Ferrell said. Right, right?

I think people try to write off certain places because it's a little too far. I think there's two ways to look at it. There is, it's like, if I'm out of town, I rather just, I'm closer to DC than I am to Baltimore. Yeah.

“So when people say where you from, I just say DC, it's not.”

But if you from DC and you say you from DC, which in half from DC, yeah, that don't fly. So you got to know the context in which you speak and all. If I say the DMV and it's pertains to the clips, it's the most general broad aspect of the DMV we can have.

Now, the real DMV, like the honest to God, real version of the DMV is the metropolitan area right all around. I basically, if you're, if the train don't go to where you from, it's not really the DMV kind of, okay. That's the way some people look at it.

But because DC, Maryland and Virginia are the DMV, the specifying that you kind of got to be from it, really understand why you got to specify. So because of that, clips is DMV, okay. Okay, if they say it, then that's it.

That's it, you know what I'm saying? I ain't bad at it at all. Not so much. Oh, remember the Titan Squad is didn't be right, because there's a New Yorker, we still claim the clips going here, and we're the only New Yorker. I haven't even noticed.

I've never heard that in my life.

You said the police base before and he said, nah, I'm not. I don't care what you said. You're a crazy type of person. They're really gross, many for no reason. I mean, speaking of the clips and push to see, you and I were,

we're talking, the day that record came out, we put it. Yeah, yeah. Why do you think people thought you were distance Drake on that record? I don't know. That was a very odd perspective, because you mean, it was like, they was like, I said,

I used to this and I sat in, I wasn't thinking about no Drake when I made. And you know what I'm saying, like, I said, you know, it was, it was dope to see that people dig that deep. And listen, man, he digging like sometimes I do be saying some clever. Yeah. It's right.

But I think it was that, and I think just by nature of the timing.

“That's why I say divine timing is interesting.”

I didn't plan for that to happen at that time. And I think they said something about Drake posted something about ice. And then we dropped it. So I was not. That's shit.

And then they do it when I was saying so, hey, look, people probably said it because they just thought that that's what it was. And hey, I let them have fun. They try to dig and find little anything that made look like a shot or beef or this respect. That's just what rap is.

Yeah, everything is like, Mike was under the microscope, like, what are you meant about that? Yeah. And then like you said, if somebody drops a song and a you drop something or somebody posted something and you drop something and it looks like the timing of it all, it's like not that ain't no coincidence.

Like he's talking to him. Yeah. I don't even think push was talking about, just say Drake. Like I could, you could maybe make a case, but I still don't even think push was talking about Drake on that verse.

Yeah. And it's kind of one of them.

I'm like, unless you understand like shit like that, it's just like our conversations

“on really, that's not what it was like, you know what I'm saying?”

I think he would say what it is if it's necessary to be said, I think he was just expressing himself on what that pen, like we all do as artists and whatever people want to say let them talk. Yeah. Cause I even told it got weird in those threads.

I saw people saying you had who kid, host it because the family matters and like, if y'all really think, I think it's thinking about Drake. That's too much like, I'm not going to kind of guide us of says is over trying to make a point or insert myself into a conversation that I have no business in, but I don't think that ever goes well.

I am a guy that if somebody says certain things about me, I don't like bullying. And I don't like, it mostly mostly trying to bully me. Yeah.

Because that's the mentality I develop from being locked up.

It's like, you listen, like, play with you in the bottom walls, that's going to be your time to rest at the time there. You might as well just crash out and I have to deal with that.

“Yeah, cut that it cut that short now crash out, but if that's what you got to do, that's”

what you got to do because at the end of the day, this shit is about survival. And you buying them walls, you got to figure out how to make your time the most comfortable possible. That have nobody made my time uncomfortable, bro, I got to eat. I got to do what I do.

I don't bother nobody leave me alone. Yeah, I'm over here. I don't like that sometimes people think because I'm a nice guy to people, most of the most part, they think that they could maybe play with me. That's rare, by the way, but that's what I don't like.

But to me, to just go out of my way and be like, oh, man, let me try to even like stress because I'm naked as a here some shit and then it'll be like, oh, this is my opportunity. He said this one little line and I'm going to try to make it then, man, that's shit. Don't like, again, I move with divine energy if that ain't what it is, that's not what it needs to be.

I actually fuck with Drake, you know, Sam, fuck with some of the shitty does, a lot of shitty does. Drake, I listened to Take Care when I was locked up. That was a, you know, that was a record that shaped how I even listened to music. I don't think people give him the proxy deserves for the music he's put out even though

commercially he's successful. I think from a respect standpoint, people write it off. I was arguing with Torrey about this shit like on a joint because he, you know, he has his feelings about and I'm like, look, I don't know about it goes right in shit. I don't really, I'm not in the room and know who did it, but what I heard when I hear

on them speak is my, my, my argument with him was, are you saying what he's saying was coming out his bad or is it because he may have a ghost right there? And once it was like, what he's hearing is bad, I'm like, I don't agree with that. That nigga's clever. I said this to his face.

I told him, I was like, you know how to say simple, clever shit in a simple way. That's hard. It's extremely hard. That's very hard. It's hard to do.

Some smash shout out shout out to him and what he does, you know, and that's not no disrespect to push. That's not no disrespect to other people that I fuck with.

I'm just a fan of what this is and that guy has never done to me that I, you know, saying

they try to say maybe he had an idea that was inspired by something I did with the catering out of joint and never, honestly never mind whatever. That was like an internet thing, I ain't, but I actually saw him after that and the energy was just cool. So I left it at that, so when people try to put all that together, they make shit with

people, the fans, some time make shit with it. And then the other thing is like, some people be, I'm not saying he is, I don't know him, but some people be sensitive and take that shit seriously, yeah, I'm not wondering him guys, like I really got, like I said, but being behind a certain walls and being behind them walls, bro, you look at like differently.

Like you look at time differently, look at being patient differently, you look at who could be an enemy and who's not very different, so for me, like, I don't move, I move with the principles that I learned from that and yeah, yeah, I think a lot of artists, obviously are sensitive, but they kind of let the fans and the internet dictate how they, they should move, because a lot of times it's not even that.

And then the artists will be scrolling for two days and be like, no, you know what, maybe

“it is, maybe he was talking about, he's like, no, they made this up, but like you should”

understand that the fans are the ones that are making you think that someone is saying some shit about you. Well, gang, that's why I got a fucking phone and I get hit my line. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Talk to you.

If you feel the way about me, but that's why I don't like, this is just man time. If you feel the way about me, but I feel the way about you, oh man, I actually anybody

And it's something that can be scared.

“They don't want to answer the phone and they, any negative who don't want to answer the phone”

to have a conversation, but want to talk on the internet, I already write you off. Yeah, that's how that is. You perform it. But that's, that's ego shit too, because I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to test too.

I do in a dumb way a lot of times as well.

I will always approach somebody if there's something that needs to be said.

That's man. That's just that, like, we could just have a five minute conversation. Yeah. That doesn't mean we have to ask people to buy a few things. We could just vote, coexist, if it is like that and just move forward.

It's not, I don't understand why people can't just have a conversation. It could just be a void in, bro. Yeah. That's in, bro. I keep going back to this.

But I'm telling you, I had to realize I'm the way I am, because pivotal age is from 17 to 19. I'm, to 20. I'm behind bars. So I'm looking at, my mind, my brain is developing and I'm learning these things.

I can't do that back, you know, you can't do that in that situation. You, like, you can't hide from Niggas. You got to confront shit. I've been in situations where I'm hearing shit about Niggas. He fell in a way, Niggas pays him back and forth.

I don't know if he has a knife on him. I don't know what he's, I literally, why I walk up to think of like, y'all there. I mean, how about you? Let's, let's sit down and talk about whatever the fuck this misunderstanding may be, because I gotta go home at the end of the day, bro.

I can't deal with, like, all this, and this Niggas, on some probably crash out shit. He might, I don't know, when he's going home, I don't have time for that, bro. Let's talk about it. And if it, if from there, it still escalates, then I mean, I did everything in my power to de-escalate it and whatever happens after that is what happens, that's my mentality.

So when it comes to the, he's Niggas, this is a piece of cake. It's just like, just get on a phone, bro. I'm scared. It has to be scared, bro. That's a phone call. What can you scare? It's a message. It's like we've grown men, it's got kids in shit, I don't have no kid, I'm just saying,

Niggas got kids, or I'm gonna have kids, Niggas, what are you doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's just talk. Imagine your kid think, that's my daddy. You know what I'm like, daddy, that's how my dad, my daddy's got to be a superhero.

You scare four, Niggas. We're learning kindergarten, talk it out. Oh, yeah, that's my pilot kid. What was on that feeling like when you thought you had to do 15 and it ended up, you know, just having to serve the three, so I didn't even make that clear.

I never thought I had to do 15, I have 15, I got 15, but it got suspended to three.

“Was that as you were minor or I think I had played a part?”

Okay. I think they would have fried me if I was 18, they considered it, but they charged me as an adult, so it's like, it's a consideration, but it's not, it doesn't legally make them not do or not do something. I think I didn't have no record prior to that, I was 17 when it happened. They didn't find said gun.

There was a lot of little shit that was like in my favor, so then it just like, "All right, man, I'm a three-bone, you could do it on private home detention, which is a trick bag because it's like, it sounds sweet and it's better than going to prison. Let me make sure that's clear, but private home detention got paid for. It's not state, so it's a little more strict, it's a little different, and then to be

18, living your life as a 18 year old at that time, it's kind of hard to have that level of responsibility for that long, over time. So I went in back in for violations and shit like that, you know, I'm saying, and then I'm having to do the rest of my bid, what they call up the road in state prison, what they basically is, it's sweeter, it's fun, more fun and more livable than jail, but that's

what a real high end is, that's what a real extortion happens, that's what an area in brotherhood,

“and all that type of shit is over there, and you have to know how to navigate gang culture.”

That's why it's music industry, it's a piece of cake to me, he's niggas ain't. You know what I'm saying? I really had to be in that situation and navigate that as a 19, 20 year old, I had to be, I was a tutor, so I hope people get a GED, so I ate all the bucks, all that stuff with me.

Yeah, yeah. And I used to cut niggas here, I used to have a blade and a comb, imagine they catch me with a blade, you know what I'm saying? I'm gonna back cut niggas here for $2 soups, like niggas, or two packs of noodles. It ain't niggas with the shape up, like all that, you know what I'm saying?

Like that's what, that was where I was at, with it, I did what I had to do, got the fuck out there to join, man, so that's why I say this shit. I got seas, niggas, when they really that, when they really not that, like when they are scared, you learn how to sense fear, like you can see it in a heartbeat, and like, you know what I'm saying?

You can feel it, and I'm wondering how definitely never do is take advantage of people's

I just try to make niggas, you know, calm niggas down like, yo, I'm not a bad person.

We could, we can get through a certain shit. It's just when niggas is trying to act like they, you know what, act like I'm scared can I be in nice? Yeah. I just definitely get sent to my head.

Yeah, that's what the map is. And just put the part of the Vlad question, but just since you, you mentioned it on mixed tape, what was the Christmas Eve body that they, they tried to put on you, that you did not commit? Yeah.

That's a whole other thing, so that's a, you wrapped about, that's the only reason I'm asking. Yeah, no, no fear. And, and you know, that's come up quite a few times that particular conversation of what I was saying.

I want to make sure it's very clear. A lot of that was based off of imagination and exaggerating, whatever the scenario is to explain the effects of karma. Yep, okay. Right.

Like going through all this shit, getting away with everything, thinking of, and then come back, and now I got charged with shit, I didn't even do. Yeah. I did have a situation where some charges came up. We don't think it's talk about the charges, but they came up, brought in myself, and

they're like, "Yo, you getting moved to Virginia." Like Virginia.

“They put me in a bullpen, I'm like, in a bullpen, like, what did I do in Virginia?”

I don't even be in Virginia like that. It's a DMV. And so they said, "I had some charges, and I thought about what the fuck." And I remember the only time in my life I ever got wrong, I was fucking wrong with these negatives and them negatives was, I'm telling you, that was a day I realized I didn't have

a certain level of fear, meaning I want to get a little bit into the story. Like I'm chilling, you know, in the DMV, the negatives were a ski mask, this is like a thing. Yeah. So I see a negative ski mask, and I'm with somebody who's supposed to be him, right?

I remember seeing a negative, but I didn't really think much of it. I remember, negative came up to the car, next thing you know, I got a gun to my neck, and they're like, "What a coke at, what a coke at." And I'm like, "Coke, I don't got nothing to do with it, no, no, no, bro." But I know the negatives, I'm around, they're in the certain shit.

You said, "I'm a K2 guy." Right? No. They're in the certain shit. They're in the certain shit.

Yeah.

I had a guy out of my first bed.

This was me trying to figure out my life, I sold it like in Paula SS, I had like six bands on me. I'm feeling that money. And in the moment, the first thing I thought is, whatever this nigga need, I'm just giving him to him, it's not worth my life.

Right. So he's got the gun. But a coke at that and I said, "No, you need proceeds to try to rob me," right? I do this thing where I get on the ground, and this is a car right here. And I start filling in my pockets, and my nigga, when I say, "I think the six

bands is right here," I have a couple of dollars right here, and I have my wallet right here. I was about to give him everything, and then I realized, man, I felt them six or that six bands. I'm like, "I'm not giving this nigga this money, bro."

So what I did was, I'm Ricky Z. I got that. Right? So I'm like this. I'm moving my body underneath the car a little bit, right here, and I'm like giving

them money out of here. Boom. And I'm throwing the other pockets. I'm throwing the other pockets, and I'm like the wallet too, and I'm like the wallet too big at all.

So I mean, well, I'm pulling this money out of here, and I'm doing this, and I pull it and put it in the car, and I'm like, "I ain't got nothing else." Yeah. And he goes over to the other nigga, and he's like crying this emotion, like, "This nigga, I can't like it, but the ugly cry, like, yeah, yeah."

And I remember in that moment, like looking at this nigga, post the B, not that listen, man. Rob, and you might lose your life. I'm not going to. But I just ain't gonna expect.

Well, we're going to be like that. Yeah. So you can do it in the moment you could cry, but we know how to cry.

“So that shit happened in shit and dumb, and that's why I realized I didn't have”

a certain level of fear. I was like, "I still had that money, and you guys still got it." Yeah, that's how you spoke with someone that just stands under the car. So boom. So that's the segue to that story, but back to what the original thing.

So my social security was in that wallet. So when that shit came up, I'm like, "Man, what if they got me from my social and did some wild shit in it?" Oh, okay. Now, I'm getting hit for that.

Yeah. Yeah. And it was a serious, that's charged. It was a very serious charge.

Luckily, more serious than the shit I was in there for, luckily, they never moved me.

They were like, "There's a mishyp, blah, blah, man." I was like, "So relieved." But I'm like, "I'm never getting out." At this point. And if you get a body, you still got a being in court for like a year, a financial year.

Yeah. And I'm like, "That's what it sucks about."

“Even if you want to do the shit, if they got enough evidence, or believe they haven't”

enough evidence, you got to be in an informed minutes. Yeah. Yeah.

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“How did you come up with creating that name or that sound?”

Yeah. So it's interesting, when I first got out, when I got out the last time from actual prison, there was this thing in my mind, but I just wanted to just be like a normal guy, you know, a more scenario, like I did, whatever was in my past, I wanted that so far away from me.

I was like, I'm gonna come out rapping, but I don't know. I want to talk about nothing about being locked up in the next ship. And I just want to separate myself from anything that could be considered street.

So I grew up in the suburbs, the way PG County is set up, Maryland.

If you don't go to a private school, you still go to school in the, that's mostly the scenario or if you go to a school, like in like, let's say bullier for instance, it's a lot of immigrants who've come from certain areas that end up going to that school. So it's like weirdly still bad, you know, saying like, it's just still go down. So I was like, I wanted to create this thing that made it very clear that I come from this.

And at this time, I'm not trying to talk about anything that I did, going to jail all that shit. I was just talking about look, man, I'm just a sneaker this hustling thing. We trying to make music work. And that was with the suburban track thing came from and I created these little characters

like all these different people that represented people that I did me along the way being behind bars, things like that. But I wanted to make sure that my story was very clearly not that. And so I talked about college a lot, trying to go to college.

“I barely went, but like, that's what I put, like, you know, more in the music.”

And that's how substantial that actually changed my life, that project when it came out. You mentioned, though, your plan A and plan B written down. What did you want to do instead of plan B performing per se, but plan B was like a registered nurse. Okay.

And plan A. That's not about that. That's how it was. Yeah. You can't just say registered.

All right. Well, man. No, no, they do. Well, I wasn't expecting IDK. He was like, not registered.

No, she looked at that one. I wanted to do it.

“Yeah, because my mom was saying she liked that.”

And you can make a lot of money. Yeah. And the other thing was she was someone I T. So that's plan A, trying to deny it. Okay.

When I went back to school at PG community, I was trying to do computer science. Okay. And learn that aspect. And that was my plan A and my plan B. Rapp was in the plan in the diagram I drew, but it wasn't the end all beyond.

I was just trying to, I was just trying to get a good job, man. No one that I got. Felling these things. I was just trying to figure it out. You know what I mean?

Yeah. That's really all it was. I was texting Rory about this, this project. And listening to it the last two days, like, just on repeat. I haven't, I don't think I've enjoyed a, a Rapp project like this in a very long time.

Wow. Like this, this reminds me of how I felt when a, when my drop pray for Haiti, I'm obviously you got conduct on their socials, that DNA is there. I'm a, I was, I came up in the, in the, in the 90s, I'm an 80s baby guy, so this is this reminds me of, I felt the far side of, I got to, I felt, you know, that whole era of 90s

Rapp. Yeah. It was that, like making this album was that the intent was that the feeling of vibe, the energy that she was aiming for or was this something that just happened because this is definitely like real Rapp hip hop, every level, the music, the bars.

You said a line in there, like I love when Rapp is saying a line that I never heard, you

say, cutting corners like a picnic sandwich. I never, I never heard that, I never heard that. So when I heard that, I was like, no, no, no, no, no. Not only is the music getting credit, but whenever Rappis says things that I never heard any other Rappis say, I'm impressed, you know, it's hard to create new things and new

So just the music and the Rappin and the bars and then the intention and then just everything all together, I was really impressed with this and I told Roy, I was like, I can't believe that this album has not been in my rotation. Some next day. Yeah.

That's what I'm looking at.

“It's a mix tape, like, and again, you know, mix tape is just a name, right?”

But there is something that is a difference in, as far as in creation with artists that it's a different type of freedom when you're creating an album versus a mix tape. But this, this, this, this is like some of the best Rappin, one of the best projects that I think we've had in a very long, I had to come ahead and salute you for that. But like, what was the intention of, did you feel like, you, I want to, I want to go for

this energy, this vibe, golden era of Rapp Hip Pop, or were you just being IDK? I, I think I was being IDKed more than anything, I let production to take what I do. And I think I was just, there's IDK, the artist in this IDK, the producer. And I think that when I put the records together, then that started coming out, I was thinking,

especially the first half of the record, the project, I was thinking more like 50 cent, 50

cent, and G unit, reason being, I'm by myself for the most part. I got my peoples, and that's the, I'm not, I don't belong to no subculture, no community of Rapp, I'm cool with everybody, but I'm like a loner. Sometimes people even think I think I'm better than them, I could tell the energy I've heard, people say that.

And then even like that, it's just, it's like, went back to just being, being like that when I, I was at first, people didn't know how to read me, and I, I actually, actually liked that. Yeah. I like when people can't read me, I remember, OG came up to me, I had to be here all

the way I was shooting, like, man, I still can't put my finger on you, man, I can't read you. And the reason why I said that is because I would be quiet, and then next thing, you know, I'm cooking somebody, I'm making fun of somebody, how they dress or whatever the fuck, like whatever it is. Yeah.

So, hey, he came up with me, 'cause after that, he was like, I thought she was the quiet, they could, they were grossed and they could just shit, he was like, I can't put

my finger on you, and I always move with that, because I always like to look at the room,

see what everybody on, see who's who, all right, that's the loudening right there, that's the quiet dude over there.

“This nigga, I'm not really sure about, let me see, and I think in the rap industry, inherently,”

just do that. So, if someone's really quiet, I'm more loud, if someone's really loud, I'm really quiet. Yeah. I'm just paying attention. You're going to say this is like, interesting.

So, I think because of that, I felt like I was a loner, and then it's just like, bro, they just started niggas be trying to style on niggas like they that, they that, and I'm like, bro, listen man, I actually footage whatever record or whatever, whatever we doing, don't try to act like you better than me, you're going to be like, I understand you where you act.

That's industry though. Yeah, that's just industry part. That's like, well, I think about this shit, all this shit is like high school. I know the type of nigga, I was in high school, but I was a certain type of nigga, I got niggas from high school with me right now, I wasn't the type of nigga like you

do that kind of shit too. I wasn't the type of nigga that wasn't cool, didn't get no hope, nothing that shit. Like I was a certain type of nigga in high school. And I look at certain niggas, I don't know what it's happening because they was in high

“school, but they got a little bit of, you know what I'm saying?”

Yeah. And they move like back who they are, I could tell, right, and I'm like, I get offended by that. Like, no, I'm wrong. I'm this.

You do that. We cool. Yeah. But you don't got to style on me. I'm good at what I do.

Right.

I've never been a part of a big community that catapulted me, I figured it out.

So that's what I'm listening to. Yeah. The features on this, like, let's just want to do it more. I mean, before you, while you're looking them up, I had said tomorrow, earlier today, I think you outshone the features, which kind of a very difficult thing to do with the

type of features that you would appreciate. I mean, black though, it did go fucking nuts. Yeah. Yeah. Black though, it's black.

- I thought, no, like, but to still have the presence that you have next to a push or next to a black dot, takes a different level of talent. - Mm-hmm. - 'Cause usually when people get these perspectives,

these types of features, you end up kind of like, that's the highlight of the project, which I feel like you're the star on every song, even with the features, which to me is very difficult to do. - No, I appreciate that.

- That's where a lot of, I think, rappers fuck up, especially if they signed to a major and now get the opportunity to have all these crazy features. Like, when now your album is the feature presentation. Like, now this album is dictated based off other people.

No one's really gonna connect with you. - Yeah, and do you know what to that point? It's interesting, you know, I look at, like, future faces. I mean, when I was, I first heard about

and I'm like, these niggas look as weird as shit. Tyler created, he was on some demonic shit,

“like, I don't really like, you know what I'm saying?”

Like, when you around, like certain people, that's just weird to, I didn't grow up really on that. So when I seen it, I thought it was weird, but then when I started seeing them, like, after words, and obviously Tyler just does stuff on albums

and shit like that for me. Like, I started to get it more. When I got out more, you know what I'm saying? I went to school that was like, two white people. The whole school was like, all black, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I only knew one thing. So, the interesting part of that is, I see that they had a movement, and they did their thing. I realized I thought I needed a co-sign up until like 2017, I'm a damn, you know, John D is with J.J. Cole and them,

and they stamping them, and then you see Kendrick came in with Drake. When he really came in, he came in with Drake, and then Cole came in with Cole, while they a little bit of, Cole, Kanye with Cole, then Big Sean came from Kanye. And I was like, man, I was like,

Nicky Wayne. - All the guys should join.

So, I'm like, man, it's always been people passing the torches,

and I'm like, man, I had gotten the deal from good music at some point, but I didn't want to do it, 'cause I'm like, it's Kanye gonna be back at me,

“and then in a sound like he was gonna be too deep into the, you know what I mean?”

So, I'm just like, and then it got to a point where I had to just go back to the mentality I always had. I was like, I can't make that happen. I have to do what I can on my own. That's when I went to a dog swim with an idea.

I was like, yo, I got this project, but I want all the songs to sound like they could be on the dog swim. The only reason why that worked out is 'cause when I dropped a project called Empty Bank, bro, when I say crickets, it was the second,

it was right after Subtrap, I dropped Empty Bank. And I'm like, yo, this is gonna change my life that out, and it was crickets, nobody was really fucking with it like that. And I experienced, oh, this thing doesn't just keep going up because you consistently put out music or even better music.

That's not how that works. It's about attention. And I was crushed by that, and a one thing happened

that was probably the most important thing.

One of the most important things in my career, the guy who created, directed, and created Tunami and Cartoon and our dog swim, he tweeted about the album, how he'd must've loved it.

“So we had a relationship, and that's why I wanna had the idea.”

I was like, hey, man, I got this idea, and then he was like, I'm gonna get behind you. That's when I started realizing, that's the co-signs. I can't be waiting on no other rapper that's come fuck with me. This, and then give me a bad deal on top of that,

and then may not work, bro. I was like, all right, fuck it, I'ma fuck with a dog swim. I'ma fuck with this brand and make sense with what I, and then they help market my shit to an audience. And the dog swim is the kind of who I kicked off,

me having a coke following, they were the ones that really did that for me. - So yeah. - Yeah, that's fine. - No, those, I completely agree. Those co-signs are more important for your solo groups.

'Cause even like, I mean, of course, Sean did just fine, but we signed a good music when Yays coming off eight o'clock in the morning to my beautiful track. - Right, right. - Arguably his peak.

- Right, right. - You're not gonna be the biggest part. You'll get a look like he's on the bonus track on my beautiful starts with the fantasy, which I'm sure helps, but his real co-signs,

'cause I was in the building at Dev Jam at that time. That was him networking with the building. That wasn't a Kanye thing. Like he really put in, he had to go put the working. - Yeah. - 'Cause Kanye rightfully so is focused

on his fucking career. - Right, right. - I can't sit here and put together

the entire, like, Yays took a break for a second

to do the push, Tiana, Nas, like that's when he's like, I'm stopping what I'm doing, and I can focus on producing other people's shit, but at that time, now you sign as a good music, those guys at the hideous career. - Right, right, yeah.

- I mean, how many Kanye beats aren't even on finally things? - Right, right, right, not a fact, that's one, right? - First of all, Marvin Gaye and Shark Day, I was in the office. Sean had, I think it was the Bapestore.

Sean had shut down the entire street in Soho, and that's when Kanye, and this is not a slight to Kanye, I'm just telling the truth about that. Kanye in the building took notice like, "Wait, wait, wait." Big Sean booked the big store by himself.

Shut the whole block down, cops had to come like, there was too many kids out there. That was the day that Yays was like, I'll get on Marvin Gaye and Shark Day. - Mm-hmm, this kid got something.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - So he has somebody, so he has a certain respect that you got a demand for yourself. That's the rarest thing that does not have ever like yeah. Yeah, yeah, you got that self confidence though. Yeah, that's I was good pussy sense high school confidence

Like I could do shit like that where my eyes closed the fire ever had an artist like you know, saying

And the other thing is you just explained something that's really important and a lot of people don't understand How to maximize opportunity nink is to nink is to be playing games out here like nink. I don't play with this shit Like I do this. I love this shit man. I'm about this life. I made I made myself Focus on this thing to get what I needed to get to like row like same that same album that kind of flopped for me My nigga the one thing another thing that happened day free day free was like that shit is fire

“It's going toward Isaiah Rashad. Yeah, I think Peter Rosenberg sent to tell him. He's like can't lie”

That's I can't front that's fire and he put me on tour Isaiah Rashad. I got like a bunch of me But I had no money my mom had just passed away. I used the life insurance money brown To pay for that my last 10 dollars my only 10 that's the most money I ever got in my life at that time

Yeah, 10 dollars and I was like I finished shit

I was about to try to get a little damn with it in shit. They're like mine I just ran the spinner. Yeah, you know, and I think it was a rush card. They gave me a little bit of money to do And rush card is crazy Hey, we were waiting. I had it's happy to sign up It was a great idea in theory. Yeah, yeah, I had to have people sign up, but that's the dedication like my last

You know, I am from my mom my blessing like you know, I mean yeah, and I think that's that's something that people That separates what I've seen in the 15 years I've been doing this shit When shot money allowed me in the building I was not expecting shot money to then guide me to every next pillar You allow me in the building. I'm gonna maximize every last thing that since you gave me a key card

I'm talking to everybody in this fucking building. I'm gonna get to know everyone. I'm gonna try to figure out how I can help with everyone

I think rappers lose that mentality too sometimes when You get signed to say a Jay-Z. All right, go get to know Sherry go get to know the entire team Someone's giving you opportunity. It doesn't mean they're gonna lead you to the fucking water They just allowed you in the building. Now it's your time to go do some. I watch Sean talk to everybody in marketing

He was he was asking assistance to help him out with stuff like People that were 20 years old making $45,000

“Big Sean was nobody. Oh some of those people are still on his team to this day. Yeah, like that's what you need to do when you're given a small opportunity”

How can you maximize it for yourself not work across with everybody or that's where rappers fuck up too It's still a business at the end of the day. I'm still of the belief that creative should be able to be left alone and be creatives But it's 26 like you have to be able to manage yourself to some degree as well because no one's gonna get your creativity Better than you are you need to explain that to PR you need to explain that to marketing Your manager can only do so much in that regard. You gotta have those relationships

And let's not act like especially people that work in music don't have some type of Vane Star mentality as well. Yeah, they want to talk to the artists. Yeah, they'll work harder for you if if you get to know them Like they want to talk to artists. That's why they got in the business is to work with artists So if

Managers cool. I get it, but if you're not putting in the thousand hours the way you deal with the guy from adult swim like That means something he'll he liked your project

“In like your your PR agents project through you right right right all right like you got to talk to these people right and I think that's where artists fuck up a lot”

Yeah, I think it's just be just man so used to getting a Dick sucked and they just don't know No, it just be like bro. They forget that they human and sometimes so they just be trying to like they expect to Have everybody it's like. Let's look. I think gay said this the day you become famous You stop growing

So you whatever age you are that's gonna be gonna be the rest of your life until you're not famous anymore Whatever and I that's stuck with me because it's like needing to be like babies and shit like Like crying about certain shit like it's like even like reviews and stuff like Niggas here review or like trying to make sense about the he said black dog body You broke body he was saying this shit on a on breakfast club about the fall yeah, but you know what's funny

He thought the niggas singing was me so he said not I ain't gonna cut it. He didn't hear my verse Here at the peak so so he's saying this and I just said man Thank you for even react to a joint like I do know he just didn't me yesterday like on some like y'all That's all love but you know that wasn't me that you was you thought that was me singing that was a me See like but see how that like yeah that could have been like oh, man

I could have messed up that yeah, yeah. It's been a matter of time I also on top of that like you brought up Peter Rosenberg

The Nazeline M&M killed you on your own shit and hope was like while I don't agree with that What would I not want

It's my help. I think I'd want in amazing M&M

That's what I'm sad a day of course But like you don't think I want a good verse from out and you know what what I did say what also is great about that I'm talking to to to to reflect on it. We was in the studio me and Erica and pause from the day I saw and he

Literally was like man. I did that verse, but man you came with yours like you really Because that was big in him. He's like not what you be doing your shit. He dropped a bunch of names down there I'm going to set up with my Yeah, it's a read no, no

“But I mean, that's that's what I wasn't letting go to be around that that's type energy. It's amazing”

We were talking about eight tracks. I was trying to understand how shit was when they was growing up

They never understood they checked that's what he's talking about how some of the I have a beef and anybody before and they had some crazy

interesting stories Erica was amazing. She played A very amazing project that I can't wait for that shit to come out. If it's the one I think It's a it's a it's a it's a I don't understand why it's not out to be it's a really good it's incredible It's almost too good. No, it's it's really actually like

Yeah, this even the devil smiles ETDS mixed tape by by IDK listen man I just want to thank you for this project because this is like such a refreshing Just vibe energy that he wraps in music like this man. I like we don't like we saw my off mic like they don't people Don't put the effort into music as much as they usually they don't have the intention to attention to detail Yeah, as much people just want to get out. I'm done and get it out

But this this this project from top to bottom, bro, I mean push a T

Black thought no ID Which we need a DMMAX yeah, bro, this is just anything. I don't I don't I just I can't stop talking about Yes, I started listening to this definitely one of my Favorite projects in the last having many years and this is the type of albums that we should be talking about Roya like everybody when told by all these other artists and shout out to other. I don't want to hurt brilato

Yeah, okay But this to me is the like to have this now You know like we and we said this year 2020 six we've gotten a lot of good music so fun But this is one of the albums or probably mixed tapes

“That I think everybody should be playing it's all good. That incredible”

Before we let you go I'm not sure if it's something you want to advertise, but I thought it was great So by the time they hear this you're bent into your would have already passed. Yeah, it is tonight You're mentioning that there are fans that may not have the means to come to your show Yeah, and right in letters to get free tickets. I thought that was like a really cool

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that you were doing how long you've been doing it? I think I did it before one other time Well, in the last time I went and did a couple shows. I just think like a lot of people I think the world is a is an interesting place and I think that a lot of people are trying to figure out How to escape where we're at and I like for my shows to be in my music to be some

aid to that but then some people just saying got it like that right now I've heard I saw people talking about a loss. They they family and financially since done They ain't been good. They had to cover the funeral and they just asking for tickets They just asking for tickets money. Like so I give them the ticket and the meeting degree for free You know, I'm saying like it's just like if you if it's if you're willing to write a letter about it

You can you know, saying like I if I can do that I can do that and I have great fans To where some of them are buying tickets for the people, you know, Sam, which I thought was really special as well Yeah, that was just really that. It's really that but I hopefully nobody abuse it

“You know what I'm saying yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say you better let it get some tickets. I got you right that's why”

Like I mean, I guess we could say now since we're on the top of it All and I have done that a lot with people that have DMed us or even people in our discord that just buy regular tickets Yeah, yeah, no matter what we just have an advertised it because I just don't want my DMs did Be all 800 people with the show. Say, yeah, right right right right right right, but yeah, that's definitely a special thing that I admire thank you that I appreciate is there anything we can expect for again

This will be out by the time the show is over, but yeah, yeah, what's what's the show look like tonight? This one. I'm just gonna do strictly what's on this record So it's like it's to show you would have normally done right when the record comes out for fans But you know, you know, we wasn't expecting certain things or whatever, so we ended up putting it together

I was gonna be out here for fouling and all that stuff. So that's what happened, but but the great part of it is

I'm just gonna give them this record Now there could be something later on where I do this and all the other stuff and probably something new But for this the what to expect is learn the words say the words for that

“You know, that's that's what we're gonna do in New York and I like fire”

Yeah, all right, well IDK man, we thank you for for giving us some of your time. And we know you got a busy

I'm sure he found thank you for this for this mix tape and incredible project fam

And if you haven't heard it. I don't know what you're listening to but turn that shit off Turn on ETS this shit is incredible We're we're gonna hopefully see you soon next year. You're running the New York. Thank you I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. That's IDK ETDS available now. Yes No, we are now

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