Episode 467 | What Is A Classic? w/ Torae

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Mall is very, very disappointed because we have to come in here and start our podcast with Pap boost today. But I'm actually thrilled, and we also have a friend of the show. Yes. Joining us today, our guides are Ray. Welcome.

Guys, thank you. That's the evil. Yeah, we got to know Mr. Young V. Conan, McConey, Alan, and Fidens. Because that was 20 years ago, that was...

[laughter] There you guys have a meeting with Nick Fenn. Yeah, which guys are doing here, you know? I was saying, you wanted to be on this couch right here. No, I just...

I might even call you Alan, let me ask you. How many times have you been to the Bronx, Rowan? Rowan up? Oh, and my adulthood. No, no, no, no, no, it's different because you could drive to the break.

I'm talking about being young, having to take the train from Coney Island to the Bronx. How many times did you do that? Probably like zero to negative five. Yeah, exactly. Why don't we want to take the...

That was an ageie. I want to turn 20 years of that. You could take a flight. I'm talking about from my door to my mother's dorm Virginia. It's less than two hours.

No, you could get in the car and drive to Philly and watch a six-year game. In the same amount of time, it took you to get on the train. Especially if somebody jump on a track. That isn't sustainable. That takes that long.

Nah, it's sick. It's sick time. But like, going to Coney Island was a thing like... That was like a day. But we were like, we're going to Coney Island tomorrow.

I was going to Nathan. As you sure? Yeah, I'm saying. But I just wanted to know somebody being from Coney Island. How many times did you make the voyage?

From Coney Island to the Bronx.

The first thing we was going to train was to Harlem.

Okay. That was it. That was the Harlem Bronx.

And then when I was a kid, I was in trouble. So I couldn't go to school trips. So if you went to the Bronx, do a sum. Okay. Then I said, I couldn't do that.

I had no permission to slip. So yeah.

“That was the Bronx Zoo from Coney Island.”

We probably would go to Brooklyn. But just in case on the old chance that they might have wanted to. I still couldn't go. Got you. She was fucked up.

All right. That's good to hear. It might be from Coney Island.

I think never made that trip.

Just like we probably would be that trip. Yeah. Let's do a stream. City Island to Coney Island this summer. City Island to Coney Island.

All public transportation. And not that's what counts me out. Yeah. I'm going to be all right. You go.

How you going to have service to do that? We'll find a way. What's off to Monday? He's going to give us free Wi-Fi. That is true.

I forgot that was part of his. We'll get a free sandwich on the. Yeah. It was. It was.

It was.

It was the free grocery store that opened Monday and closed.

Right. That's close. And we'll get free Wi-Fi on the subway. Yeah. Yeah.

Great. Well, why was excited to actually talk about this. Papoos 50. Mano Max B. Debacle is because we have Brooklyn bias in here. Mm-hmm.

And we have June and Bice. Mm-hmm. Full June and Bice in here. It's not. It's not.

Max me and Max went to the same high school. So fair. I'll take Max in this fight. Okay. So we will not get a objective opinion from anyone in here.

No, whatsoever. I was talking to the mayor's off mic. I'm really coming in here being objective. She does not think that. But I didn't mind the mano this.

I didn't mind the Papoos one thought they were both cool. I'm just sick of 20 years hearing the same exact thing about 50 set. Okay. That's fair. But if the mayor started shaking in her chair when I said,

I did not start shaking your my chair. I just said I'm tired of your bullshit because now,

“suddenly every time where there's a rat battle, you have to hear some jaw dropping, jaw dropping, new breaking news that you never heard before in order for it to be.”

Oh, that's not what I'm going to say. I said he has her piece. That was kind of a... Just put lies in there. We don't need facts.

We don't need facts no more. Just lie. It been lies in there. Just lie about it. I just lie about it.

Fuck it. What is it about 50? You got what? Her piece and what? Diabetes?

Yeah.

I've never seen 50's medical records.

I don't know. First of all, diabetes shaming is funny. >> Yeah, that's why. >> You know, you got, you got, you got, you got, type one. >> I thought you were my folks. >> That's like a take of my shit. Like, you're laughing at my pancreas. >> It's a red fairy. >> And it is fun. I'm a dead, it's a dead. Let me tell my mother,

that's type one. >> I said they're like, damn bad. >> We can't, we can't, we can't, the beat's no more. >> Oh, my God, man, where we add as a call. >> No, Dumares, I'm not saying that. I don't think every battle needs to be post-pushed in Drake or URL where we find out where they went to high school. Listen, that I'm just saying it's been the same exact rhyme as for 20 years from everybody. 50 or not. >> When they come to say, you know, you only got shot, five times on nine times.

You're a snitch. You never really went to jail. >> Like, I heard this for 20 years. >> You're a way to shot just crazy. >> You got shot, five times, fan, wasn't not. >> Okay. >> Like, five, five, five, five, five. >> No, like, shoot me once in the face. >> Yeah, and you'll never get the end of it. >> Yeah, like, you only got shot, five times. Stop saying, no, no, you got it. >> Listen, maybe that is true.

They even interviewed the guy that was in the car with 50 and asked him that question straight up and he's a friend of 50. He's like, maybe he wasn't counting the shots. >> Yeah, like what's sitting there, counting? >> If I'm 50, I'm counting an exit wound as another shot. If I get, if it goes through my leg and there's two, that's two. >> That's two. >> I got shot twice. >> Yeah, I mean, I got shot once here, I went through and then I got shot again.

>> That's the stitch both sides. >> I'm adding up the exit wound was 100%. >> But that's still bad math. If you guys had five or no, it's terrible. >> Well, no, one, maybe just wasn't in it now. >> What was it? >> One just stayed in it. >> One was a great one. One stayed in it. >> Yeah, one was great. >> The story's getting better by the shot. Tell you that. >> And if you shoot at me nine times, I'm saying, you shot at me, like you empty the clip.

That's another chance. >> Imagine somebody shooting at you and you hit nine. You know, you're dreadily, you hurt your, I'm doing the shot at me 20 times. Like the number is going to change for me and my story every year, the number changes. >> How long can take to pull off, though? How you get that many shots off. >> A lot. >> Like the key wasn't in ignition. >> The key wasn't long time. >> It's a long time.

“>> Well, the guy, I think the guy's name was, do you, I think that was his name?”

He was on Cam Capone and one of those platforms. He was saying he was, he was like, turn around because they had to go the other way. So he was doing like a k-turn and I think ran into the car of whoever was behind. >> I'm doing those, it's driving me crazy. >> And no quote, he backed up into, I think the car with the shooter in it and then was kind of like blocked off and then the shot started and he had his girl in the front seat and I'm not going to pretend I'm like,

fucking Jason Bourne. If you start spraying on my car, I don't know if I'm going to be able to be Vin Diesel and get us out of there that quick. I might, I might freeze up, who would a k-turn while somebody shooting at me. >> I don't know, but every time I'm alone, this is the one way I'm able to, no, I think he was blocked in because in the middle of the k-turn he hit the car with the shooter

but again, shooting nine times in a car, that's a couple of seconds. That's a lot like a very

“long time. >> I think it will be the bait enough. >> Look at this, to the point of, like,”

if I get a bite, get down by that. >> It's like, what that was really is that there's no new nothing, right? He's been out of the music business, so you can't talk about what it sales is doing in him saying, there's no new thing to talk about, so he just talked about the same old thing. >> I mean, it's not sales. >> It's, it's, it's, kind of makes Demani's look more credible. Even on Demani's, anything that was like super new, at least he did get into host fifties career and how

he's moved and who he's put on. Fifties, you could argue has, has moved somewhat selfish sense. >> New sense being a selfless? >> Yeah, more or less, because I think he did do a lot before Thanks, J.A.O. and everyone. - To show. - But he's definitely moved for him and maybe not for the culture.

You could make a case. I'm not saying it. You could make a case. I'd rather pap get into that, 'cause I think Papua is a great rapper. That could come up with a good theory rather than dog.

Like you're not as gangster as you say you are. He's fucking 51 years old and is shooting TV shows. Do you think anyone cares if he's-- - I think the thing is, a lot of these guys have had, as a writer, as a rapper, you know.

You always have bars for whoever the top.

- Right. - Just in case the case is the same way. Me and you gonna get into it. So I think this is just the time when we're hearing all of these bars that these guys have had about this.

And now they got the chance to get it off, got it. So it's not about saying something new. This is shit they had here or they had written down for the last 50s, just waiting, just in case. - Just waiting.

- Because 50s, he's a troll. He's a bully, he came in with that energy. So every rap had to be like, "All right, if he ever come at me, I got some 10,000%, you know what I'm saying?" So I think that's what this is.

“I think this is just bars that these guys have already had.”

And now it's just the opportunity to present it itself for them to get they shit off. - Yeah, again, I just think there should be another angle. I didn't mind main or or perhaps who's to be quite honest. - There's a point about giving out new information.

This is why rap battles are kind of funny when you step away from it outside looking. Papu's saying 50, why haven't you told the world you have herpes? He's one of the funniest things I've ever been. Okay, y'all tell me how 50 shit of done his perfies reveal.

Like, yo, past like, yo, look at me. Why have you not told the world you had herpes, bro? Like, I don't, sounds like a private matter to me. - Yeah, yeah, so wow, question to part of us.

- Yeah, I'm telling you, basically.

- Oh, you should have just reached a whole different level - God, that's great. - And he's like, do what NBA, young boy did. Y'all, young boys, one of the craziest people ever just to rap, they did his herpes.

Like, I give him respect for rap and his truth, but I don't think everyone is now owes us a rap about their H.S.V. - No, if I'm not having sent you any course with you, young lady, I don't need to know any of this information

ever in my life. - And, for let's move, does it matter? Does it matter if somebody has herpes? - Well, that explains, man, well, I can't hear it.

“- Why is it actually active with someone you should know?”

- No, I mean, yeah, but I'm saying it's like to us. Does it matter to us, do we give a fuck? - No, I literally do that. - I think I thought your favorite rapper had herpes, but he made your favorite alcohol.

- You think I'm a delete all of these things? - Like, this thing, you know, I hate fuck, I hate fuck. - Yeah, this is automatic, no more. - Yeah, like, what is, that means it doesn't matter. - That means it doesn't matter.

- What the fuck would I mean to me? I don't even know what you're talking about. - I can't even hear nozas like the same. - Yeah, like, I don't care who got like that. - But yeah, we could say that about all rap battles

and we're being hypocrites here. Because it did not change my life when I found out that Drake had a kid, but I was like, "Dane, I'm push got him." - Okay.

- That's what you saying, but it didn't change the whole rap battles. - That's a little more groundbreaking news.

Like, you don't always run around with all the joints

and all of that. You got a whole child that, nobody knows about, like, none of your fans. Especially when he's the vulnerable rapper and he's the hard on his sleeve rapper

to not talk about the birth of your child. Obviously a private matter, but you know, I think that was more like groundbreaking. Oh, Mike, you got a kid, like, for real? Like, it's a child.

- I mean, but it wasn't wild news. It was just more like, oh, it was just shocking. I mean, 50 has wrapped a lot about the injuries to his body, why not his pancreas or a sexually transmitted disease.

If we're going through a track ready, he does talk about his body a lot. - Is the 50 and maximum song real? - Yeah, yeah, it's wrong. The video was real, too.

- Real AI. - That's, nobody knows. - That's just how wavy the maxes he can write. - He can write a team. - I was in time square, I was like,

what was that max beat? - But seriously, because of this whole AI shit, we got to start asking those questions. - 10,000 episodes. - 10,000 episodes. - I agree with you.

- When I saw the video, I didn't know if this song was real or not. 'Cause the video, I was like, the video was fake. Is it a real joint? - Yeah.

- Yeah. - It may be, it's real. - Is it real? - It's real, it's yes. - Okay, all right.

- It probably is, but I'm not gonna say with the confidence that tomorrow's the same. 'Cause I've heard some records I did not think were AI that were 1,000% AI.

that's what made me think like,

I don't know, is this real?

“'Cause we in this time now where, you know,”

people post shit, just making a joke, right? And it's like, "Oh, it is just a real song." No, like, that's, that's the main only thing. Like, is this a real song now? Obviously, 50 posted this song.

I guess you could call that supporting the song? - Right. - Max posted it to Max posted, but again, people trolled. - He's not pulling on his favorite video. - He's not pulling a fake song on his Vivo page.

That's a real, this is a real song. - He put on the he posted his Vivo. - Yes. - No, but I'm saying 50 could have done the AI audio as well as the video.

It also would not shock me that 50 would take a fan-made song in video, put it on his. - Not on his YouTube, not on his official YouTube. - It's his IG, you know what I got? - Y'all got 50 fucked up.

- I'm a bit nervous, so I'm putting it on your Vivo makes it a little different. - Yeah, yeah. - That's a little, that's more of like a, you stamp and it like, it doesn't.

- It doesn't.

- Yeah, because now you've gotten countin' streams

and that goes into your monetary situation. - I was, I hate AI videos, but this one did make me laugh throughout the entire thing. It's like, God awful AI that makes it funny. But we actually looking at, you know,

shit, change in real time. Because now, like, how much did it cost to create this AI video? I don't know. - You know what I'm saying?

- So it's like, what if that's made though? - Yeah, like, so this one's saying, you have to hold AI video. We don't know who it is. - It's probably free.

- At nine of a time. - Yeah, I would, some I made it. Some I made the video for him for fear. - Yeah. So let's say 50, it took two, two liters of water

from the Midwest to make that. - That's what it does. - This is, this is, this one still doesn't have any. I mean, we watch in the landscape of entertainment change, though. - It's a different time.

Like, this is a new element in battle rap. And now, I could have this video done in an hour to my district team. - Right. - Like, this is a whole different element of entertainment out.

- Yeah, entertainment, I was like you said, entertainment. - Yeah, that's amazing. - It's not really going to change rat battling in any real way.

It was just funny to watch. - If you really think about it, - 'Cause I think 50, 50, 50 series. - What was it, fuck with Dre Day?

“What it had, the fake EZL, they had the fake EZE, right?”

I can't remember a whole new name. But it's no different than that, right? Like, before you we get actors that look like somebody. Then came have like Jimmy Walker and man when he was different, this and Jay.

You know what I'm saying? And then come up if you don't have to cast anybody, you could just type it in, you know what I'm saying? So it's really an extension of that with it. Technology is that.

- I will say, as much as 50 doesn't take anything serious. If I'm made know, I would kind of feel the way if you're doing an AI shit and me getting cut in prison. - Yeah. - It was all just kind of hot hot hot, but like you type

the main old getting cut in prison to make an AI video. - Well, 50 didn't make the video. - He posted it. - Yeah, he posted it. - Okay.

- When you say he made it, he didn't make this video. He just somebody made it, send it to him. We'd probably like, oh, this is dope. I'm gonna post it. - Yeah, but that's still co-signing.

- I mean, he wrapped it. - Yeah. - He wrapped it to me. - You were about the visual, he wrapped it to me. - No, no, no, no, no.

I mean, it's bad or I, whatever. I'm just saying, out of everything that he said was kind of LOLs, I don't know how manual really actually took that inside there. - Even though this record seems light and mental

was just replying, I don't know if you see it. - It's actually, you know. - Listen, man, this is what happens when you jump in a battle rank.

“If you want to badly tell you, I'm gonna go at each other,”

which requires disrespect, then that's the order of it. I'm gonna talk about things that happen to you. I'm gonna talk about things that you did, things that you didn't do. Like that's what all it is.

So that's not out of bounds for 50 to wrap about that. - No, no, no, I just said it was out of bounds. I just, I was wondering if that was something that... - You just didn't want to see it. - That may not, no, I don't care about that.

I'm just not sure if Meno thought that was maybe outside of the LOLs in our rap battle. - Oh, no, this is not out of bounds. - Oh, yeah, it's not out of bounds. - When you see if the manual is all gloves is off,

if you see that, it's done. It ain't no rules and no women in the children. No, everything on a table. - Yeah, I'm just not, I'm just not sure if Meno sees it, that's what that way, that's all.

But I mean, where does this land? Or are we gonna continue this? I actually think Davies got the biggest diss out of the entire thing. He started the intro, talked about everyone.

I was like, I'm like, I'm like, talking about you. And then put Davies face up there. - Yeah.

- That was the first person I thought we were gonna hear from.

Like, well, I'm not even worthy to be dead. - Well, because I mean, there's no, I mean, 50 probably wasn't even really wrapping them all when Davies thought it was wrapping, so it's like, I don't even...

- But Davies didn't, that's right for that they did for their podcast. Where Fab was, well, that's because of the podcast. If they weren't doing the podcast, Dave wouldn't have been a part of that.

- Okay, but do you think that's not a diss though? - Today? - Yes. - Yeah. - It's like, oh, he not, he not even talking to me,

but I don't know if Dave was sitting back like, nah, say something to me, I don't know if that's the thing. - Okay, what Demani and King weren't around 150 was wrapping and they called a bar on the power intro. Even though 50 is lying to us to say

he wasn't talking about them. - He was talking about them. - Yeah, but once 50 posted a picture of their mom, you can only expect that those guys gonna jump in the ring, especially if they wrap big facts.

- That's what he means. So that point 50 pulled them into it by posting a picture of their mom. Like, all right, I forgot some bars for 50. But with Dave, it's like, you know, I don't 50 don't have,

you know, probably never even met Davies.

- Nah, I'm sure they haven't met before. - I'm just saying he probably didn't. I don't know if 50 be around with Dave yet. Do we think Dave or Fab replies? - Fab, yes, Dave, I don't know if East is gonna respond though.

- I think he's in quad right now. But why, though, right now. Nobody still 50 didn't say anything about it. - They didn't say anything about it. 'Cause he said, that's a little bit too much.

- That's a little bit too much. - You'll see by association. But if the conversation is, if East put out a record in 50 and say not about it, is he inserting himself into it?

- No. - Pause. I mean, God. - God. - That was not bad.

We already know it's unsafe to do that with 50. - See, jump it up again. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - That's a little bit bad. - But is that not cloud Theresa?

- No. - If Dave, like, not I fucked that.

- You put my face in your dish video

and said I'm not even worth it. - Where are the additions? - They all in it, you know. - You know what I'm saying?

“- You're not worthy of this and that's a disrespect?”

- If he randomly dissembles-- - Is that, I'm just asking the room. Is that a disrespect? - No, Dave has that. - So I'm like, you're not even worth disrespect then.

- No, this is what I got to go make a record. - Yeah. - We're gonna go make a record. - But you know what? - I should go make a record.

- Even though the clock, like we're not watching the clock, but if the hand start moving, like Nick is, you know what I'm saying, we ain't going to unplug me. - I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to, you know what I'm saying.

- Dave doesn't reply, I wouldn't think anything of it. - But if he does, I'd be like, yeah, I get it. - Yeah, exactly. - Which is a composition of being. - I agree with that.

I don't think he should though. Nah, for what? - I mean, how much did he really say about Fab besides the video made it worse? 'Cause it was mainly Maneo throughout it,

but it was the Fab shit that crazy. It was the video that made it nuts to me. - Yeah, but Fab already put out a record going with it. - It's 50 so it's, I don't know. - It's home, but turn out around too.

- Yeah, it's on. - It's lit. - It's fab care enough.

I was actually shocked, fab cared enough to do the first one.

- Yeah, but I was probably just itching the rap anyway. - Yeah, he wanna rap. - I wish I wanted to get in shit though. - Yeah. - Okay, he has a serious called sol tape.

Go rap. - Yeah, he's raping like Nick. (laughing) - This is me, you say.

“- But you say, that's the size of the 26, that's what we are.”

- But we didn't, and I actually out as the last week. No, maybe two weeks ago now. Where does this shit in? That's the real question. Where does this shit in of it all?

- Y'all want to be like, nah, I'm like, I, where does this in is all I'm saying? - Well, when I was talking to you about it, it was just the hair as family evolved. Everybody else wasn't there.

- But this was before that. - Yeah, this started before the, yeah, this was, this was with Jim and Maneo. In fact, this was before. - Yeah, but I thought that was over.

- Yes, so hey, this is what I'm saying. - It's been three months. - We back now. So now what, like, when does this, that's why I was like, I didn't think,

because I told you, I didn't think 50 was going to respond. I think he was going to rap. I think he was going to make music. I thought he was going to keep it trolling. You know what I'm saying?

'Cause that's what 50 does. He's a troll. He'll say shit on on social media. He did the clever move of, you know, even though he did say that that wasn't about,

- He's a liar. - Right. - Well, I didn't like shit. - But did not tell ya, I said now, if T.I. just about to respond to that bar,

we just spoke about this last episode. I said, he didn't say no names. We don't know what the new power is going to be based at. It could have some Atlanta ties in the new power. We don't know that.

Y'all was like, nah, I fucked that. Okay, now 50 comes out and says that. That wasn't directed at. - Said it wasn't about the cosplays. - Which is a crazy thing to say.

- That's very good. - So I said it pretty funny. - The 50 says that Y'all like, nah, Y'all not jacking that 50 line. - I think he's lying.

- All right, cool. Y'all could think he's lying. He said it. So now I'm saying, does T.I. respond to that? - I got a matching question.

- No, no, T.I. already said he was done with it already. - Okay.

“- So I think this ends when 50 starts focusing on the T.I. and Tiny Duck.”

Whatever 50's about to promote is when it ends. 50's gonna drag this as long as you think this ends when he puts the dot. - I think T.I. gonna give it. - No, no, no, I'm saying this, the main O.O. okay. - Max B, Papu, Jim Jones.

Like, I think this chapter is just an interlude until he gets to the T.I. and Tiny Duck. - Got it. - Okay, this is to fill some time. Like he said, I'm the algorithms.

I don't have to talk about me, which I mean, it's in the case, but it's a fun thing to say. I, yeah, I think this ends when 50 moves on to his next thing. - Yo, doing a doc is really crazy. Doing another doc, but it's crazy, yo.

Why does that crazy, no? - Like, that's what a game has gone to. Like, we're doing documentaries about-- - Well, he's not, he's not 50 is in a whole different space of entertainment now.

- Right. - He came in as a troll, right? Well, how to rob, how to rob was like, I'm in the biggest troll wreckage ever. - For sure.

- So he came in with that energy, like I go at anybody, I don't give a fuck. I don't, I'm not, I'm not here to be friends with N.E.R. I don't know fucking none of y'all like that.

- 2000's.

- Now that he's in a different space in his life

when he comes to entertainment.

“- So is the same troll in just in the different energy?”

- It's the same energy, but he's just delivering it differently. - That's what. - So it's like, it's like a disc wreck it. - Right. - You say no music behind, this is eight episodes.

It's like, I, you know, these are the people look, these are the nasty guys that you're on support. I could've said this in the riot, 50 can have said all of this in the rap, yes. But he's probably looking at it like,

well, I don't even rap like that no more. I'm creating shows, which is why I him put in that bar that rightfully say about he felt like was tailored towards Ti in the intro song to the new power. That was genius shit.

- Very smart. - It was like, you know, hi, this is how I'm gonna respond, like if people talk. I'm gonna hit a song every week, every episode

I'm gonna hit a song, clever, right?

But that's part of his brand knowledge. - Businesses part of the show, for sure. - With the documentary coming off of the documentary, he just did about the diddy doc. That was number one in how many countries like,

it's about business for 50.

“'Cause this is, at the end of the day, yes,”

it's, it's, it's wild to hear certain things. This wreck is sometimes people say things go, at the end of the day it's all in the tame it though. - Yeah. - Not a doc is like, that's not what's the entertainment.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that. - We are gonna sit around and turn on our TV and watch it. Like we wanna be, even though it's, it's things we're gonna hit like damn, like that's crazy, but it's still a form of entertainment.

It's still a documentary that we're learning about things, like some of the things that are being said, maybe a little funny, maybe some jokes in there, but it's like at the end of the day, this is all entertainment. But this is 50's, this is the area that he's in now.

- Never thought the hip hop would take it this far.

- Yeah. - Well, it's a crazy, really dope. Like this is who he, now if this is the first time 50 ever did a documentary or ever did anything like in that lane with television,

then it'll be like, you know what he's doing? Like, but he's been in television in the version of the beef DVDs. - Yeah, so he's been in television for how many years now. - He's produced how many shows and things like,

so this is part of his, you know, the way he can choose to respond now. I don't think it's anything crazy about that. - Which side of y'all on with the Danny Park and now to be the T.I. thing that he wouldn't have done

these docs, how he not had an issue with those people. Where do y'all land on on? I don't want to say morally, but how that looks. - Okay, I understand that. Like if he didn't have an issue with Danny

or if he didn't have the latest thing with T.I. maybe he wouldn't have got that if I would have news. - Right. - But I mean, yeah, that's the way he chooses to respond now. - Yeah, I mean, we briefly talked about it

with the Danny one, like, yeah. Do I think that 50 did that to spike Diddy based off their history and his big mother, isn't it? Yes, but I do think the information that was in that entire series should have been out there.

Like I'm glad that info is out there now about puff. Was it done based off nasty intentions from 50? Sure, but I think the world needs to know these things about some of our biggest entertainers a fucking documentary coming every day.

- So game is just nasty. - I agree. - They can just super nasty. - I was the boy for years. So it only sees the light of day when you have,

you know, saying what you have a right and what you have an issue with a person. 'Cause then that makes you responsible in some regard because if you have this information, whether you got an issue with that person or not,

if you have this information and a platform to get it out there and it means to do it, then why not do it for the greater good?

“- Well, I think what you have to think is different.”

I think 50 just because he's in television, I think people through back channels reach out and say, "Hey, somebody has this ti documentary that they put together." 50 is just executive production.

They put money behind it and put it on a platform. - And that's why I think having with the Diddy One, too. I don't think so the start of the scratch. - Diddy One, diddy One, diddy One, diddy One. - You worked for puffin' one.

- Nobody said I got the hobby. Why don't you join Cooked Up? You want to get behind it, post? - Yeah. - Usually they would call Harvey.

- I didn't have anyone to come to me. - I don't think those people reached out to 50. Now, when it's rappers, right? And then you have somebody that's already in the world of television like 50 is.

And then somebody says, "Yo, you know they got a little beef right now." It's like, "Oh, shit, well let's hit them up and see if you feel." And 50's like, "Hey, yeah, put them in." And diddy shot all of this, this footage, the camera guy, he was like, "Wait, I don't have to shoot nothing,

but a couple of interviews in that." - Oh, oh, this is a lady there. So you know what I'm saying, so I understand what you're saying, but at the same time, it's like, this is Doc, you, this is stuff that is already being done.

Like 50's just coming down the tail end of it, like, okay, I'll put somebody behind it, put executive producer credit on it, and let's put it up. - And it's funny to bring that up 'cause this was a, a couple of years ago, a very, very, very big

publication reached out to me based off some stuff. We said on our podcast about an entertainer, and they wanted to quote, and it appeared like they had an entire article

of this person, and I never heard anything again.

And every now and then be like, "Damn, this been almost three years since they had this entire, "Big publication, had this entire thing ready to go, "and it never came out." So to your point, I do think there are a lot of people

sitting around with ready to go articles, documentaries, all that, just waiting for the right time to capitalize, with the most amount of money, like, "Hey, I see what's going on over here. "Just let's, you know, this is already done." We can get this out in two weeks.

“So yeah, I think there's a lot of people”

that have docs waiting on them. - Yeah, I'm not mad at 50% executive producer needs. - I mean, it's the business that he's in now. It's just, as a hip hop fan, as an MC, and a hip hop fan, that's a different route.

It's a not a route that I thought we would see artists taking. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, I guess it's the evolution of the design. - It's the evolution of 50 though. - Yeah, right?

He's not just an MC, he's not just a rock anymore. He's an executive producer and television and film. He's an actor, he's, you know, he's a lot of things. It's not just this thing, he's just boo-boo. He's just going to boo-vrap it, this is not that.

And 50% look at it like, he's too old to probably still be trying to really rap like that. - Unless you got TV show. - Unless you got, but that you'll get that intro. - Yeah.

- That's part of his business. - Yeah, that's true. I'm not, but we not mad at that. He's given us classic intros to those shows. So it's like, if that's the way he chooses to respond

and do his business out, which is the business that he's in, let's say, man, you got to respect it. - And my crazy to say, it is kind of the natural evolution from the DVD era where recipe shorty low is walking through ti's projects and asking where he's at.

“Like, is it just that evolution of one rappers”

would be that do disc records, then they do something on a DVD or on YouTube, we go to the neighborhood, like, this is kind of the natural evolution. - Same. - So now, what if all of our favorite rappers

or upcoming rappers start doing documentaries? Like, everybody they got a problem. Like, if the Kendrick and Drake was it, was it rap songs, if it was documentaries? - That's why I hold pro.

- Yeah, but it's wild because it will be wild

because we've never seen a documentary from those guys.

Like, if that was the first documentary, it's like, what are they doing? - But now the president is there. So now the doors open for people to do that. - If it's the evolution of one of 'em,

if it's another lane of entertainment. Like, when Jay did some of some of them and he had the pictures of prodigy, right? It's like, oh, that was the first time a lot of people saw those pictures, right?

- Right. - So now let's just put the documentary, let's interview the ballet teacher. - That was his line, that was prodigy done. - Yeah, I do that.

- I'm just saying. - I'm just saying it. - Yeah, no 100% but I'm just saying it like it. - I'm just saying it like that. - Yeah, but imagine if Jay went that route though,

like we're gonna go and sit, it's like, it's still in his funny-less laugh, but it's like, what's wrong with a kid? You know, I don't know how I prodigy, maybe six or seven years old?

- Yeah, and that's what's class. - What's wrong with that? - Good. - Now, if he left, if he left the infamous video she said, and then went to go to the ballet,

then it's like, yeah, what people are like? You know what I'm saying? - I didn't show his range. - I didn't show his range. - He put it on the lead to the lead.

- Yeah, it's like, yeah, now that's kind of like, but it's a six, seven, eight year old, it's like when it was shock value, and it was a chink, right? - Yeah, and I'm a, right, and did something to his credibility.

The street dude, 'cause the street dudes

I know never took ballet, right?

So as the street dude is, you know what I'm saying? I ain't super nigga, I think you're shy, stag kid. You was in the, you know what I mean? In the day shoes, we get it, we look at you at a different light,

but it's so crazy 'cause it's like, as six, why would you look at that in a different light?

“That's what it, that's like, I had a choice to be.”

I had a choice, as six years old, at some of my mom's not going to dance. - Also why we don't care about facts. He put up the set, I got the, your ballerina, I got the pictures I seen ya.

He's not dressed as a ballerina. - Definitely not. - He dressed as Michael Jackson. (laughing) - There's not a ballerina inside.

He's literally dressed like Michael Jackson. - And we all were like, yo, you're a ballerina. It's like, the, what? - That's a good point. - Yeah, that was Halloween.

- That was Halloween. - That was Halloween. - That was Halloween. - That was Halloween. - Yeah, that was Halloween.

- That's crazy. - You ain't like, don't you? (laughing) - Yeah, that was Halloween, which was expecting me. I was Michael Jackson, I was.

- Yeah, I was sure, hold was Michael Jackson, it was Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, everybody was a boy, he was two Michael Jackson. He was just a boy, he beat it by two different albums. - Yeah, that was it.

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about the Jack Harlow announcement. - It's a song? - No, the album is coming out tonight, tonight. - Well, it's out now when we were, we thought we were getting like three singles

We got no music, nine songs.

I'm kind of shocked, Jack back to the short albums. But after three years of just like one or two records, no real single, that's not really how Jack's formula has been in the past five to seven years. - That's risky.

- Risk? - Yeah, a different approach. Why is it risky, why do you say risky? - A different approach as I was in a ski. - When, yeah, I guess it's something different

for your audience, something I did not use to you doing.

“So it's risky, but I think that we just spoke about it”

nine songs, I kind of like that though. I kind of like Jack just given us that nine songs. I don't know what this sounds like. I loved the video he gave us was that last year when he was walking through Manhattan, like Shinedo Conno.

- Yeah. - Like Shinedo Conno. - Any of those songs that he dropped those looses on the track list and is it a song title's out there? - Yeah, we have the track list up.

It appears that none of the records that came out,

not even the just us dosicat single is on this song. So nine brand new songs off the whim. Why I say this is risky? 'Cause if you go with, come home, the kids miss you, which didn't want 13, I'm not a numbers person.

I don't give a fuck if the music is good, the music is good, I don't care. I'm just saying how risky it can be. - Put your pulled up the numbers. - Because Jack Harlow is an artist that is entered that world.

When you're making records like nail tech, even if that wasn't Jack's purpose when he went in the studio, he's now entered the world where numbers do matter. When you're making records like that. And I thought it was actually kind of great

that he put out Paul's Jack man right after come home the kids miss you 'cause he was getting put in that tick-tock teeny bopper rapper shit. And he's like, "No, I wrap for you." And that was cool that it's sold 34,000,

which is great, but not coming off one 13, but it was a mixed day. I felt like it was like,

let me just throw this out, no promotion whatsoever.

- I didn't know, I mean, not again, not that it mattered. I didn't know that it didn't do. - I didn't have any singles. It was similar to just putting out something like that. But it felt like one of those, hey, just a reminder.

I could wrap. It was all chipmunked soul samples.

“Like, I think with shout of wind back crowds like me”

that was like, "I remember when you used to wrap wrap." - Yeah, it was joint time. - No, I like Jack man a lot. - I hated the title, but, you know, - Wow, I wouldn't have to say it.

- It's a wild time. (laughing) So after come home the kids miss you, was just about three, four years ago. - Yeah, I think you being in the A-list rap category.

It's kind of crazy to just put out a nine track shit with no single. - But you put out like a couple of Lucy, so does that matter start the rollout? - It did, but like when he did,

what Mall was talking about, the set you free in Tranquility stuff when he was in the city, then I thought when he put out just us with Doja Cat. Like, "Oh, all right, we're starting." - You start in the actual rollout.

- And that, I really fucked with that record, but it was still closer to the nail tech stuff. And like, all right, the label was like, "Hey, guy, "we know you like to wrap, but come on, "let's sell some units."

That was, what year did that, Doja Cat? That was 2025. - Yeah, that was about a year ago. - That was a, that didn't last long enough to then go into an album.

This is a completely different project. - So I think it's risky. - I'm excited, I'm excited because it is this rollout, and maybe it's nothing like, "Come home to kids, miss you, but we'll see."

- We've seen this done. No, we've seen like the pre-album rollout extensive, and we've seen the post-album rollout. Sometimes you got a factor in, like, what's gonna be more beneficial?

- Is it really like setting it up? And then it drops into a little bit, and then you're gonna roll, or is it like, drop the music, see what people gravitate into words, and then do your rollout.

While the music is out, so now every time somebody discovers a new conversation, oh, I have you, they go right to it, and now you're running up the streams.

“- I think post these days is way, way, way more important.”

But with artists like Jack, artists like Bruno Mars on this last project, that really didn't know, no pre-shit, no real, like one single, that was two weeks away from the project,

you see the difference. And numbers matter with those types of artists. Now, like someone like Dochi, post promo was so important to her, 'cause she was still on the come-up,

and then TDE locked in, like, not everyone knows this girl. So let's put some now, and then work the records that are on this project. That's the best strategy with artists like that.

But you need both when you're someone like Jack Harlow. - I think Jack, I think this is an interesting position for Jack, because I think this project, based on what it sounds like, it's gonna tell us which direction

they really trying to go with, Jack. It's he rap, it's he more pop star. Like what are you out to wear, where's he going? Because when you have a song with Doja, now that everybody can get a Doja feature, right?

We have one of the biggest songs and one of the projects with Drake, and then you have, you know what I'm saying? Success, like you said, with now taking those type of songs. - And your feature with Drake ends with him saying,

you know, Jack is the next one up for him. - Yeah, but this, so now this project, nine songs, what does this sound like?

you sing in, it's a more melodic, it's it more,

“like I think this project is important for Jack's,”

his sound, because it's like we still don't know which route Jack, Harlow, we don't know where we place them yet. - Or where did I allow him to go, you know what I'm saying? Like because there's so much pause riding on it, you know what I'm saying?

You know what, we know what the landing does, you know what I'm saying, you got Jinn now, obviously they got they say, and obviously those guys are not making credible records and make history.

So it's like, what does Jack finally have the freedom

to do whatever he wants to do on this project? You know what I'm saying? We really got to listen to the music and see, 'cause they're really, you know what I'm saying? That's like the tripple snack,

it can go with any direction. - Yeah, yeah, 'cause I mean even with Jinn now, like they didn't sign Jack when he was making music like nail tech, like the sweet action, those, that was just Jack rapping for me.

I feel like Jack is more paused, Jack man than he is, the nail tech stuff. - I agree. - That's where I'm, I'm all side of like, this is going to be kind of the defining

fork in the road for you of, do you want to follow the year the next up, darling rapper, or do you want to just keep rapping? And with no roll out though, makes me feel like Jack is like, I don't really want to do that other shit, just rapping.

Like I think I can make a nice career. - For rapper for a guy who can rap, even saying like, we seen early on his music, his YouTube videos, et cetera. For a guy who can really rap when they start saying,

you know, you rapping like Drake or you Drake light,

you name saying that, like does some TAE go, that's like, I'm a, I get busy. - That's a state of Drake and good busy, but we know what that means when they say that, that connotation. So yeah, he might be Rebellion.

He might be bugging against the system like now. Let me just rap in him saying.

“- 'Cause I think I mean, it's incredible”

and deserve that he does like Barclay Center. But I'm sure he probably got a little bit of the Steve Lacy feeling when he was going to his shows on that last tour of like, this is a lot of TikTok kids.

This is not really who I set out to rap for. 'Cause I don't think Jack is that. I don't think he's just chasing fame or whatever new record. I think he really just loves to rap. So maybe he's making that decision.

That I saw who was showing up to my shows and of course my core was there, but you can't just have a core sell out Barclay Center unless you're fucking Jay Cole. But I'm sure he looked at that crowd and was like,

oh, it's a lot of TikTok children in here. And I can't sustain that for the rest of my career. It's gonna be tough for Jack though. Like we'd be an honest, it's gonna be tough, bro. - Why?

- Because, this is all right. When you a white rapper? - Yeah, thank you. Bro, it's something it's like, bro, I don't, you can't come in here and try to like,

Eminem Corrap, but he was on TRL a lot. - Right. - Yeah, no, Eminem was a pop star. So this is what I'm saying. So Jack can't fight.

He can't buck against the system. - Oh, got a jackpot.

“- But Jack did something that I don't think any white rapper”

has ever done correct me wrong coming off the cuff. I don't think I've ever heard a white rapper play at the club play at a kickback play at a party. Jack Carlos, the only white rapper, I know that I could throw on a round of bunch of girls.

- Is he more Mac Miller? - Mac Mac with a certain type of chick that I would particularly like to hang out with would definitely fuck with Mac if I threw it on in the car.

I'm saying if I go with the IG baddies, if I'm on a boat in Miami,

I've never heard a white rapper play

the way Lil' Baby plays at a spot. I've never seen a white rapper do that. Interesting. - Yeah, that's a point. That's the point.

I've never thought about. - Of course there's women that like other white rappers. I'm saying that. But no. - But if you're, it's the music.

- Yeah. - Now, strip clubs, like everything. - Was it the first class, was it the first class? - Is it the first class? - Yeah, first class.

Those are pop drinks, like first class. - They're sampling pop records. - Yeah. - So that's what I'm saying. It's like he got to go pop.

Maybe he'd a pop Larry June, I don't know. - That's the stuff that we ran into. - That's funny. - That's funny. - No, they were saying like women like Larry.

- Women like Larry June, they like Larry June, they like your style, you know what I'm saying? It's like, okay, Larry, you got some bars, but Larry is more cool, he has shit talker. I don't really look at Larry June to bar you down.

- Right. - He's gonna just talk fly shit. You're gonna talk shit on every song. - He's gonna sound good. - He's gonna sound cool, you're gonna look cool.

I don't know if Jack wanna beat that. If he wanna be Mac Miller, if he wanna be Drake, if he wanna be, I mean, I think he tried with come home to kids miss you to capitalize on the moment

he had with the two big singles and still try to make music then he like. Like he brought Ferrell on and tried to do his Ferrell shit. Like he tried to find a good balance and I think he got frustrated

and then Paul's game was Jack Man right after like. - Yeah. - Nope, let me go back to Soul Sample Shipmunk shit. I can't keep doing this. - Yeah, but especially being able to do that project,

it might be more pressure for him to come back. Like you can't do that two times in a row. - Yeah. - You know what I'm saying? We know what he's starting to, we know that.

We know what they own over there. They're him saying they like you know, we need to ring the register. We need especially you or one of our like marquee acts. You know what I'm saying?

You can't just do a vanity project back to back to back to back.

that means the door is always open

to certain things that other artists are not gonna get. The opportunities is there to do shit that other artists are not gonna get. They're not gonna let you waste that back to back to back to back. - Yeah, he had to move you look

the white man can't jump to. - Yeah, and he was with Ben and Matt Damon and I forgot the name of the movie. It was a great movie though. - I mean he died in the first time. - So this is what I'm saying, he was still acting

with Ben and Matt. - That is very good. - That's a big deal. - That's a thing. - So what is it?

The just us Dogecat record is more in the lane of nail tech and first class. So I was like, oh yeah, Lanix's not letting him. So to me this is me just giving complete conspiracies. I think because this came out March 21st, 2025.

So literally you, I think he was beaten by Lanix. - You guys are trying to keep me in this fucking lane. I don't wanna do the shameless. 'Cause The Dogecat record did great, but it didn't stick like first class on nail tech.

“- Well you know, I mean, I think he was probably like see?”

- Work that goes along with that.

- For sure. - So if the artist is not willing to do it, 'cause the record was a record that they could have made go. But if the artist is not willing to do it, you know what I'm saying like, it's not gonna go but so far,

but they shot a video so great video too. - Yeah, he was at least into it in that much and ever got it. - Yeah, I'm curious. Very, very curious where this album is gonna go. - Yeah, I'd love to say I like Jack.

- Fuck with you, I'm, I'm, I'm, but with this sound like, I'm mad, drama, didn't send us the fucking that album before it came out, but like I wanna know what this should sound like. - Yeah, look. - Cole Lake, man.

- Yeah, this is quick. - This is, this is, I, Jack, and you come on and you give us these non-tracks and you won't hear giving us pop songs that that's where you at. That's where we go and play.

- I'll also say, because I do think Jack Harlow is a great artist. That also, maybe tells me he's very confident. - To put out non-tracks. - I got nine songs, no roll out here you go.

I'm extremely confident in this album. - And there's no, he didn't, we don't know if there are any features, but he didn't list it in each of these. - Yeah, he listed it.

“- Non-tracks, no, no, what if you don't got no features?”

- I mean, listen. - What if he produced it all his self in no features? - No, no, no, no, no, no, I don't want that. I don't want that, I don't want that, I don't want that. - I don't want that, I don't want that.

- I'm gonna be nervous with loser, and they want artists to love to do that. - All you rap is no good. - All you rap is no good. - You can only be good.

- All you rap is no good. - All you rap is no good. - All you rap is no good. - All you rap is no good. - All you rap is no good.

All you rap is no good. - All you rap is no good. - All you rap is no good. - All you rap is no good. - All you rap is no good.

- All you rap is no good. - All you rap is no good. - All you rap is no good. - All you rap is no good. - All you rap is no good.

- All you rap is no good. - All you rap is no good. - All you rap is no good. - That's not on their road. - Yeah.

- Definitely not on their road. - I hear it, but the confidence that most responded with, I don't think it's on their ego. - I believe on their ego.

“- Ma, who do you think outside of Kanye, obviously?”

Who do you think of when you think of rappers who are actually able to produce their own records and do a good job? - And do a good job. - And do a good job here.

None. - Really? - I like Wacmasi. - I like Wacmasi, I know. - Oh, we did no reduction.

- Yeah rock, but that's rock is not, I don't ever wanna hear him work with all the producers. 'Cause it's gonna change where rock is. We go out the mis, but that's kind of the, that's one of the same.

That sounded so similar. It's that boom-back, real, roll, like out of the pocket, flow. But like I don't wanna hear rock go get like a Swiss beat. - No. - See what I'm saying?

Like I don't want that. I don't, don't do that. Like keep it, keep it. They may be conductor, maybe. Like you said Al, conductor, those guys may be,

but we can't get too far away from the rock sound, but yes, you're right. Rock is definitely his last project in Cretan, like with him and Arrow and Allem did like, incredible project.

- Outside of Southern Playlist that Cadillac funky music, Alcast produced big boy and three stacks produced every album. - I mean, that's Dungeon family though. - No, no, no, I'm saying they did Dungeon family on the first one, go check the credits after that.

It was big boy and Andre. - I mean, they admittedly said that Dungeon taught us how to produce, like we look at it. - Really? - God never knew that.

I thought we thought they had outside production.

- I mean, you always thought it was Rico and,

but that was for the first project. And then from there, Alcast kind of did their own thing. I think David Banner is one. I think Pimpsi is one. I think there's a lot of rapper producers

that maybe don't flaunt it the way Kanye did, so we don't realize that they're making all of their beats. - Kanye, obviously, Kanye aside. - Yeah, I'll just say Kanye aside. - Obviously, the best he's doing, but like Tori said,

rock is probably one that gets it right. - And I'm thinking about, right, like all this in the now. Obviously, I could listen a bunch of classic producer MC. - Yeah, rock, I mean, he's a legacy, yeah. - But he's yeah, yeah, he's one of those, you know what I'm saying?

Like he's somebody that's still super relevant right now put out some, you know, the merch go crazy, the pop-up's go crazy. So he's one of those guys that's all his studies. - Oh, yeah.

I ain't gonna lie, I don't wanna hear Jack do it though.

- No. - No, I don't wanna, but I don't think anyone's sticking. - Yeah, I was just saying like, 'cause we're outside, we started the conversation. I was just being honest with you.

I was just being honest with you about it. And I'm saying, 'cause you're saying no features. - But this is very few. - Q-tip. - Right, like you see, if he's put it, that was a guy.

- I mean, as far as like the Mac Miller's definitely up there, latter half of Mac's career, he was producing everything, himself for sure.

- Russell also does it for sure, for sure.

- Oh, yeah, yeah, Russell does it for sure. - But then also, Russell's one that I like when he does his child projects and just gets banked and everybody else through that.

“But, yeah, there's a lot more than I think people realize.”

- Yeah, they just, again, don't flaunt it. And it's weird to put your own tag on your own song where you're also rapping. (laughing) - It's like, I just, it should be a lie.

- It should be a lie. - It should be a lie. - It should be a lie. - Like, yeah, you're like, you're like, you know, fourth person. - We know that, we know it's you.

- Another one that does a good job in people not gonna give me the credit because, you know, you probably don't look at them as that, get a rapper, hit boy. - Hit boy.

- Hit, hit, hit, hit, hit, hit, hit. - Now that's the one. - That's the answer, right? - Hit, hit, hit, hit, hit, hit, hit, hit. - That's the answer, right? - That's the answer. - That's the answer, right? - That's the answer.

- Yeah, that's the answer. - Yeah, that's the answer. - But both of them, really good over their own beat. - Yeah. - Yeah. - You know what I'm saying? - Yeah. - They don't give away a lot of the beat.

- Yeah, they don't give away a lot of the beat. - Yeah, yeah. - I know other rappers here, like I would have, I would have a lot of crazy. - I'm glad. >> Right, right, exactly. >> All right, y'all might think I'm nuts, but I don't think JD is a bad rapper. >> You made the pre? >> Yeah. >> No, he's making the rap. He's making the rap.

>> JD is a-- >> I come to see Rap. >> I come to see Rap. I come to see Rap. I was like, he just don't rap a lot. >> Yeah. >> He doesn't rap as much as he used to. >> But he talked about it like, when he was doing the magic city like promo, he was saying like, for that first album, they made him rap, because he was doing so much for Ducion and right in and popping his shit.

“He had so much of everything else. There was like the only thing left for you to do is put out your own album and that's how that happened.”

>> But he said he had no intentions on being a rapper. >> Yeah. >> And he was saying, oh, I got a white cleft there. >> Produced a rapper. >> Yeah, we can't even rap a lot though. >> I mean, but if you for what he's put out between carnival and everything with the food cheese, I'm still put them there. >> I think is there more on the ground side. >> Right. >> Manifresh, if you rap more, he would write it like, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Like, it's always this stuff. I think he was there. >> He would hook master too.

>> We also left out probably the most important one, have it. >> Yeah. >> Have it because it's probably top five best rapper producers both of.

>> For sure. >> But then I'm saying, like we go into the classic, then I'm going to throw in large professor in there, then I'm throwing, you know, I mean, EPMD produced all the day shit, you know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. >> And I'm saying like, we go classic, then I think it's a lot more. And we rock him. >> Yeah. >> True. You know what I'm saying? >> So I guess for modern, we say Tyler would be number one. >> Yes. >> But as he produced him, yes. >> Yeah, a lot of that shit is so. >> Yeah, he literally put on the cover of Egor, this was written, created.

>> He mixed engineered, like he-- >> He prints cycle path and he wouldn't take with it. >> So now he's number one, he's down. >> He might be, he might be right behind Kanye, maybe. >> I think as far as hands on, I'm not saying what's better or what's worse, I want to make that very, very clear. If you go through their disagrees and look at who did the most for their projects, Tyler's probably been more hands on than Kanye West in the latter part of his career. >> Yeah. >> But I think I'm fine with Kanye bringing in other people, I think that's part of it. >> Right. I mean, Tyler really sits there.

>> He does, he does, he's very, Tyler's such a musical person. You know what I'm saying? Like he studies music, he's, I will call him a genius, he's a musical genius because he's a student of the game, he's a survivor, he understands collaboration, he understands instrumentation, he knows what to do for his records to take them when they need to go.

“Oh, who to bring in to take on what they need to go? And I think the versatility is really what speaks to me because from flower boy to ego to cherry bomb to call.”

You know what I'm saying? Like all of these different, um, records, cab a different sonic landscape to them too, and he's a different, he's embodying a different character each time. You know what I'm saying? Every time, yeah, he just get you, he just get you fired. >> Yeah. >> He just get you fired, Tyler's definitely. And then don't, don't go to the show because in the show was crazy. That's a whole other production. >> Yeah. >> He take this year serious. >> Oh, yeah. >> He thinks he's a Kanye for a baby. >> For sure for sure. And I'm not just saying this because baby D is here. I do think Jay Cole gets too much flag.

His beats are not as bad as people make them out to be. >> No. >> We just prefer that level of rapping with that level of producer. >> Yeah. >> Because his level of rapping is low production or not the same, he's up here. >> We just wonder what it could be. >> But Cole's beats are not as bad as people say they are. >> No, but it's just like you said, if a his skill said, it's like, all right, Sam, can we not, can we just go get like, how come it's a conductive role. >> For a, like, can we go, you know what I can we just take it, can we take this to another level like that's all. >> Why we stay in rap nerd world.

I did see a list on Twitter that said the top 10 MCs without a classic solo album. Started at one grandpa who met the man, Jay to kiss, fab, black thought, Inspector Dick, ludicrous,

Y'all just, you just, y'all just say, I was right next to you in the ball show. I know we just, I think we're the reason for this list by the way. >> And you can just chat with me in the ball show. >> Jay to kiss. >> No, this is Matt, and Matt, him and Jay Cole go to the same ball with you. >> I thought, I thought, I sat there, Matt, you wanted to say another guy's in the shop echo decinaments that Jay to kiss has three classic albums. Did they say three or two? >> They said three. What was the thing? I saw the clip and they said three.

Somebody said three and I was like three is a stretch. Okay, kiss the game goodbye. What? The last kiss of death. And to me, because the kiss of death is the game goodbye.

“>> All right, it's first and second album. >> Yeah, I think the first two. I think the first two.”

You know what? I think you think Jay to kiss is first two albums of classics. I think I think the first one wanted anything.

But I think that classic. >> Yeah, small fuck. >> He's an issue. Let me just, let me say this whole thing and they get your comment. I think that the anticipation that we met with initially, it was so high was a hard bar to reach because we love him as an MC and we love we did with the locks. So we was expecting so much when we first, when we heard the album, but if you go back and listen to the album, the album is going to be, they deep, it's like, kiss the game goodbye. It's tough. That's my point though. I think there's a difference between classic and different between good albums.

It's hard to have a classic album. I will put that album on and if I got a 50-minute drive, I put the album on and let it play and right out to it. I'm wishing. Is it a classic album? >> No. >> Or is it just a good album? That's the difference. And it's so, I think classic is the test of time too. Like replay value.

Like we still going back to it. Because it's certain albums that came out around that time that you,

I'm not listening to this shit. You might play the single. You're not going to sit and let the body of work play. And I think that certain times, certain albums out the date, we call it instant classic. Out the gate, you know, this shit felt like it's going to be timeless. I listened to this forever. And then the certain shit you go back to and you just like, then it's really rocking. Like I think maybe we was too, I think volume two was another one of those.

You know what I'm saying? Or volume one? I think volume one is another one of those. Where people would just with so harsh on it, like the way they, you know, sunshine. It sunshine is a tough record, be it. We had a video. It was so different from what Jay was trying to do. But it, but he had done already. But it's a fucking great album. He still get, yeah, no, for sure.

“But that's what I'm saying. I, I just think that we get so caught up and just thrown out the”

word classic. This is another question to ask you then. What is the worst classic album in your opinion? So I have a gauge to see if if kiss a death is below or above that. Is that it's an axiomoron? It's an unfair classic. Because of course we have the standards that we already know that these, we know Elmatic is a classic that goes without saying. I was going to sit there and argue that what is, what would be that, but lower than Elmatic?

Like what's the worst classic album? You know what? And again, we just had this conversation with the fellas at the shop. And you know, and I understood the room. It was older guys in there from a different era of hip hop. So I understood why they were saying what they were saying. But to say, Jericho has two or three, have many albums. They said they were classics. And then to say, Drake has no classic albums. Oh, yeah, that's why.

But do you got to know the audience? But right, but you understand, I'm saying it's just like, I can understand if that's not your preferred rapper, your preferred artist. There's no denying that Drake is one of the greatest recording artists of his generation of his era, for sure, who has classic albums. So when somebody says, okay, this rapper has three, two or three classic albums. And this guy who has dominated music for 15 years as none.

Yeah, and it's all subjective. Of course, that's all subjective, too. In order for you talking to,

“I get that. But some things that just like, what are we talking about?”

Which is, but a barbershop in Brooklyn with 40 year olds. Yes, you're going to get that. If you went to the Scarborough food court mall, you do make it, you make it, you get everyone saying Drake has a classic. You make, but you're going to Toronto together. I understand that. But I say, we were in New York talking about kiss. Yeah, but I understand it. I'm saying in just music period. It's a lot of artists that I recognize just being crazy talented at guy classic music. Then I wouldn't go see them. I wouldn't listen to one.

But I don't listen to Beyonce. I probably don't have no Beyonce. I listen to it. I listen to it. Right.

I don't listen to Beyonce. Like, you will never hear me just play put on a Beyonce album,

put on the Beyonce song. Like, it just wouldn't happen. I'm not her audience. I'm not who she's making that. And I recognize her incredible, like, harder on the way here. Right. No, I'm going to say, I'm not listening to her. I recognize her incredible talent. But I'm not

young, I ain't a lot. I got that cowboy card in my way. You know what I'm like? Like, that's what you, but you know what it is. You know what the classic is, vast majority, right? Even if there's pockets of people that don't like, it might be people that don't fuck with 50. But the vast majority of the population says get rich. That the client is trying as a classic album, right? So I think it also leads to like, that's a classic. Give rich a die trying is not a classic. If you go back and

listen, then what's the classic? It's a great album. I'm worried about the fucking swing. I listen to you. That's a great album. It's a great album. The impact is why I think people hold it a classic. When they drop everything around 50, he's, you know, bulletproof vest. Yeah, yeah, all of it. It's 50 and many. Right. I understand that. I'm saying, when you go back and listen to it, the album to me, I wouldn't say that's a classic album. You said it's

me? I was speaking from all. I'll speak for yourself.

“I think that gear Richard, I try and is a classic album. But that's why coming up with music”

to impact. Let's go through the music real quick. I'm not going to skip any rest. I'm not going to do the highlight. So I'm just going to read. Starts with what up, Gaggs. Well, the intro with two quarters falling. Right. What about the food? Like, who you had to go to, like, get into. That's

class. It's a six second shit. It was like, where were we heard that was all right? Is that two

quarters was that a 50? No, it's what main output on his single hardware. It's 55. That's crazy. What up, Gaggs? They're patiently waiting with them. Many men in the club, I all the time. He, if I can't bloodhound back down, P.I.N.P. like my style. Yeah, crazy crazy crazy crazy crazy. Yeah, it's not my favorite song. It's not my favorite song. An album is definitely not. It's definitely not. It's with compare comparison to the rest of the track list and it's not my favorite.

It's not a song. It's a past P.I.N.P.I.N.P. I'm saying we're playing. I'm playing. If my, if I'm watching the dishes in the album is playing, I'm not running to drop my hand to skip that. That's going to play. You can't say P.I.P.I.N.P isn't a classic because people's parents know that. So that was a huge song. It was a giant song. It's a record. It fits in the body, body of work. Like, yeah, now. Like my style. 21 questions don't push me. Got to make it to have in bonus tracks,

wang steel, you're not like me like someone. I'm just telling you what a classic album is.

“You just, I'm confused. I don't think that I think it's a really, I think it's a dope album.”

I got to hit it. In fact, what's your classic? What's your classic drink then? I was going to say, because I was riding with you with the drink thing. But if you say an drink has classic, I was McGit Richard D.Tron is in a classic. Then now I just think I think

Git Richard D.Tron is in an incredible, I don't know if it's a classic, but I will never show a classic.

Like my classic albums are like thriller. Okay. What's about hip-hop? I'm a classic album. Okay. I thought we were talking about that. I thought we were talking about classic rap. I didn't say classic rap out there. I don't think classic R&B out there. I was talking about classic albums. We're talking about kids. I thought we were talking about hip-hop. No, but not, but away from that, even I was just saying classic albums.

That's what, but that's part of the conversation of what I'm saying. Like, how can you say Git at Kids has two or three classic albums, but Drake doesn't because Drake isn't bar you down like his. He doesn't have a classic album. But more thriller is the mark than where everyone's fucked. Yeah. Nobody got all this shit as well. Because because to be honest, the closest thing I saw in the early 2000s that hit, not like thriller, obviously, but like a thriller that wave when

Git Richard D.Tron came out, it took over the world. That's why even if you weren't even a hip-hop fan,

the impact was incredible. But the music was there too. Because I get impact. The music was,

“that's what I'm saying. I think it's a really, I think the album is a dope album. I don't know if”

that's a classic album. No. Okay. So let's dope album. Let's go back to your point that you were making about classics being like, they have to affect everybody, right? Like you said you don't listen to Beyonce, but you're very much aware for talent. What would you say Beyonce's classic album is? I want to hear this because you're not a Beyonce fan. What was the one, um, um, was it lemonade? Okay. Lemonade to me is a classic. As a Beyonce fan, I agree with you. So I,

that would be the one. What was the other? Is it dangerous in love? Was that the name of one at all? That was the first one. Is the first one. I think that's a classic album. I think danger should be obviously is a classic album. Okay. I think lemonade, daze love. And if I see the artwork, I could, I could, I could, uh, better point. I think she has a few. So you're not, so you're, you're not a fan. Obviously, of the music I eliminate, but sure aware of the fact that it's a classic album. So you're

able to, when I say, I don't listen to Beyonce, meaning like in, in my time in the crib or in the car, I'm not turning on Beyonce to listen to it like that. If Beyonce put out my tonight, just like everybody else in the world, I'm running the listen to. No, that makes sense. You understand? I've recognized her greatness. She's one of the greatest artists ever when you come to a lot of performance, music, vocally. She checks all of the boxes. She's a legendary artist. Like, I'm not, but I don't, that's not

But I know she's one of the greatest artists ever. I'm not. So that's what I'm saying in that environment of being in the shot with older guys from New York City from a different time. I get it.

“But there's some things that are just unanimous though. In the conversation of music, I think”

you're rigid, does right? So they can't take away from you Richard, I try and. No, I'll say again, because I don't think it's unanimous that drink as a classic. I personally think he is more than one. But that's not a unanimous thing. The way get rich is to the world. So are we talking about, I would have said 10 out of 10 people would have said, get rich is a classic. Now I'm going to say nine out of

10 because you're the first person you ever met. It's a nine out of 10. It's a nine out of 10. I think we're

going to get a mix in that. So is it only a classic if the mass is acknowledged that it's a classic, right? Because the album that I think is a classic drink, I will be different from what the masses, who would say he has when the masses would pick take care. I would not pick take care. I don't think it has aged as well as views has, right? And to be nothing was the same is a classic in Drake's catalog. Do you think nothing was the same? Is the classic me? Yeah. He's okay. I got what's

What's better, P.I.N.P. or worse behavior? - Worst behavior. - I hate P.I.N.P. I don't know what you heard of worse than P.I.N.P. might be the same song.

I'm not gonna lie. - Word? - No, I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know.

- I'll go worse. - P.I.P. is like yours. - I'm gonna go worse. - That's my shit. - That's my shit.

- That's my shit.

- I played three O5 to my city or P.I.N.P.

- I played three O5 to my city or P.I.N.P.

“- I'm just... I'm just... I'm just... I'm just that Tom, so what's the word? What a Tom. What a time. - I'm just not the... I'm just like... What's your quintessential rap? Classics then?”

Just so we can get a gauge since GIVRECH is not there. Because at that point, yeah, I don't think you would ever argue. KISS has a classic album if you don't think GIVRECH is. - Right. - Because I went to that, that was like, I felt like that was in Nobraina. You know what I'm saying? - I went kiss with that was in the rule consensus that everybody, you know, felt like that was a classic. So just to add that to it. - Yeah, but a lot of it. But there's like that. - But in our culture and there's just something we do a lot. We'll just say something as a classic as everybody else says is a classic. - Not a lot.

- Like a lot of people think Scarface is a classic. That movie is not a classic movie. That movie is actually terrible. - I don't think you're wrong, but with GIVRECH, I don't think that's the case. That's what I'm saying. - Not saying that. I'm just saying in our culture what we do a lot of times we see the last thing. - What we see the last thing. - What we see the last thing. No, that's a classic. - A terrible, a terrible, a terrible movie, movie, movie, movie, movie, movie, movie, movie, movie, movie, movie, movie, movie, movie, movie, movie, movie, movie, movie, movie. Storyline, the way it shot, like what are you basing it on? The storyline thing. - The story. I mean, the acting was okay. But just the storyline. - The acting. - No, I said it was okay. But that's it. I mean, you got two of the biggest actors at that time with Al Pacino and...

- What's the name? - Oh, shit. - I forgot how name. - Let's tell a fight for it. - Let's tell a fight for it.

- But, it's just that when you go back and look at it, you're like, this shit isn't really a classic movie. But because so many people in our culture deemed it a classic, we see the poster, people got the poster in their house and the barber shop, we see the imagery of the movie so much. - We like, nah, yeah, that's it. - No, no, you can go back and pull holes in it. You know what I'm saying? I still think for what it worked, for what it's worth and what it did and the impact, no the things. Like it's definitely classic elements to it. But it's the greatest movie I've ever seen in my life. No, like people make it out to be. You can go back and pull holes in it.

“But again, like, so there's also like impact and staying in power and replay value and all those things go into it. You know what I'm saying?”

- But movies are a little bit different than music. - Or, why is it different? - I think it's just different levels. Music is like writing with the vocals sound like in the production around it. In them saying, well, like, you got to act in, you got to cast in. You got somebody who did a great job in the scene and had a terrible scene partner. So now, do you say Al Pacino did great, but we didn't fuck with Manolo in this scene, whereas when it's an album for the most part, you were responsible for carrying away the project as the artist.

- They put that on the lead act or sometimes before they'll put on the director just because the actors are more famous when they say that movie. - But if you're not in a scene. - And it's like at the same time, that actor just showed up to do his scenes. He wasn't involved in the editing process, but if you did not do it. - Also, but if you did not, you're not going to take, they're not going to blame you for a bad scene if you're not in it, even if you're to lead actor. - All right. So Nas gets a lot of flag, even though I disagree with it, it's a narrative that's been going on. He picks bad beats and they put that on Nas. He didn't produce it.

>> Is it automatic? >> Well, it's picked it. >> Is it automatic in class? >> Yeah. >> If you picked it directly, you picked that script.

>> I'm asking a quick tip to script. >> Because I'm getting, let me just get in my position because when I answer, I'm asking a question.

>> I want to win. >> I want to win.

>> Is it automatic, a class?

>> Absolutely. >> What's a classic then? >> Okay, so, so, it automatic and kiss a death on the same level? >> No. >> No.

>> I think there's a spectrum. >> So, what's a classic?

“>> That's what I have with the version of the last class.”

>> I thought classic was a classic. >> Well, yeah. >> Well, that doesn't mean they're on the same level. >> 'Cause something-- >> I think so, they're not a source, not a classic.

It's a good album, but that's like saying it's not-- >> And it's not an automatic on the same level. >> They're not from a rapper and perspective, and then from a pop star, yes, I think it's the same. I think that a kid that was, however old, now,

you got some music, and then you got the impact of it, and then you got the reach of the music. Elmatic is a classic. >> I think, I think the community, you can't play it. >> I think I'm like anything, go for thriller, I think--

>> I think Elmatic is a classic to the culture, to the-- >> Right, every MC, after that that was old enough to know when that album dropped and filled that, I think that NARS inspired every MC after that. >> Okay.

>> To even try, that was like the go. That became the soundtrack of your life. You moved to wherever you was at with that music in your head. >> Right, okay. >> To me, that's a classic.

I don't think people moved around with a kiss album, like the same way they moved around with Elmatic. I don't think so.

“Not saying kiss and kiss is an incredible MC,”

one of the greatest rappers ever. But I'm talking about the music. I don't think the music lived with us from his albums, the way he lived, lived with us from Elmatic, the way the music lived with us from reasonable doubt.

>> I think the different sets. >> I think the unfair thing to-- when you compare things to Elmatic, my only caveat in that is that Elmatic changed hip-hop music in albums, because of the way

that they went about the production of it.

>> We had never seen an artist go hand-picked and plucked

producers from other camp. I'm gonna take the hottest guy out of Gangstall. I'm gonna take the producer out of Gangstall. I'm gonna take the producer out of Pete Rock and CLS move. I'm gonna take the producer from main source.

We had never done that. >> Every up until that. >> Right, tribe was self-contained. Main source, self-contained, bomb squad, self-contained. We had never seen that.

So it changed the way people went about making their albums. So that in itself makes it impactful in game-changing. You know what I'm saying? So it's on fit to compare certain albums to Elmatic,

because Elmatic did to change. It turned the tide in hip-hop. >> Yeah. >> Even bad boy being the sell-out version of that, still mainly just use Hitman.

That was the first time you got A-list producer. >> Right. >> A production team. You know what I'm saying? Of different, all these different guys production team.

>> But what I also think it's unfair is the age gap as well. 'Cause yeah, people in my age, kiss a death came out when I was 14. My age moved around with Kiss a Death. Probably the same way Y'all moved around with Elmatic.

I'm not saying that Kiss a Death is on the same level of Elmatic. But you also have to put that into consideration that hip-hop is unlike any other genre. We're 10 years, 100 years. Like that's a huge gap between 94 and 2004 of listeners.

Kiss a Death meant a lot to us. And yeah, we moved around like this was the soundtrack with fucking life. >> At that point. Is it fair to say that there's different pockets of everybody

in different pockets is gonna say that a different album is a classic. If you go down to certain parts of the South,

they would never say that Elmatic is a classic.

But somebody from their region that they grew up hearing. So we're never gonna, a long story short, we're never all gonna agree what a classic is. Depending on age, depending on demographic, depending on where you grew up.

Like everybody is going to have different classics.

“>> No, but that's where I think the conversation is different.”

I think no matter where you from a classic is a classic. No matter where you from, like a classic is undeniable. I don't care if you from the North West Coast East Coast South. When we see Kevin Gates rapping, reasonable down bars, and he's from the South, that's letting you know.

Like, he like, nigga, we was listening to that. So that narrative of in the South, we wasn't listening to cut that shit out, because Niggas was listening to that. But people would tell you, E40 and the clip guy classic albums.

>> And you will fight against that. >> And you fight against that. >> I would, if someone in New York said, "Forn in degrees, juvenile is not a classic album." The South would lose their motherfucking minds.

>> I play cringey. >> Yeah, hey, hey, hey. >> But I mean, like, to most point, yes, like, I don't think, no matter where you go, I think people would say ATLens is a classic.

>> Right. >> Aquamanized a classic album, no matter where you're at. I think most people would say the chronic, doggy style, those are classic projects, but I think that's a 90's thing. I think once we hit the 2000s, it just got so spread out.

I'm not even saying when it got to the internet yet. >> Hip-hop just got so big. >> The cop gets happened, and I didn't know the classics in the 2000s. >> Yeah.

>> No, I mean, yeah, he's not the only one. >> Yeah, he's one of the-- >> She has a classic in the 2000s. >> She's a guy of class. >> I think thousands.

>> And good kid mad city during the interludes. They're talking about TM 101, like, and that's incompetent. Up here, we thought TM 101 was a classic, out the gate. I'm just saying, as the years went, the term, hip-hop just got to two minutes or two.

>> I mean, it's a sidebar. >> No, I think it's a good album. >> Okay.

>> I think it's a second-best album.

>> The recession? >> I don't know if that's a club. >> No, that's my asking. I'm asking. >> I think it's a second-best.

“>> It's my second favorite at the TM 101 for show.”

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>> Andre, Andre, they killed me for that. >> I mean, we all have about five. >> He doesn't have to sell those to have them in my top five, right? >> Right. >> But without a solo album? >> Not so. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's only but so long. >> It's only but so long, you can rest those. >> It's just not this long. >> There's bust to have a classic album. It's gonna pay me for my answer.

>> When does asset strikes, what was the debut album, the coming? >> The fact that you have to think.

“>> The fact that you have to think about it, let you know now.”

The answer is no bad. >> No, I'm thinking. >> But there's a go, bust is one of the greatest. >> It might be that you ever had. He to me is in that Chris Brown category of you are a go.

You've given us, you've changed the entire genre. You are an elite artist.

You've never given us that body of work that your peers have.

Because you're in the conversation with everyone that is a legend. And bust is should be there and will always be there. But he's the Chris Brown. >> I think you love him, but this is the answer is no. But there's probably a large majority of the people that will say,

yeah, extinction level, it might be bust is classic album. Like his magnum opus. >> But I don't think it's a vast majority thing. And that's where, that's part of the criteria. >> Yeah, he also had such a heavy output that it gets tough when you're 30,

fucking albums. >> Blue to Chris, man, fuck you. >> Yeah, check it out. >> Check it out. >> I'm gonna say, no Chris has a class.

>> Check it out, man. It's the one. >> That's where the mouth. >> The classic though, check it out. Check it out, check it out.

>> The other one's a great one. >> We're a classic, can we just flip the word? >> Yeah. >> I like to use the word. >> I'm in the era of my life.

I want to say the right shot, right? >> I don't want to just keep saying it. She's like, what do these words mean? >> Okay, classic. Judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind,

remarkably instructively typical, that's different. A work of our recognized and established value, a school subject that involves the study, I integrate whatever. So it has to be judged over a period of time

to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind. >> Okay, check it and bear to me is a classic to me, because I was there. I don't know in 30 years if it's gonna stand. Like, who let these holes in my mouth?

>> I don't know if that's gonna make it for the rest of the world. >> Right. >> If you go through, blow it out, stand up, splash waterfalls, hard times, dominant in the back, screwed up, pussy pop and hip hop, quote-to-boos, black mass struggle,

hoes in my room, teamwork. This is a classic out of me. >> Yeah, I'm not fighting you on that. >> To me, this is a classic shit on this. >> But that's definitely not what we were saying.

>> Right. >> I don't know if an asteroid hits the fucking planet and we can put albums in some shit that's gonna survive, they're gonna take chicken and beer and ilnatic and be like, these are the shit, these are the shit, they're not. >> And that's all I'm saying.

>> But can't reach their gonna say, this is that. >> I think I'm like, this was good,

“but I think they're gonna listen to other classic,”

I don't know if it's so many games. But I'm gonna fight, I'm gonna fight. >> Yeah. >> Y'all go fight for Gary. >> Right. >> Just a long fight.

I don't think the good album, 1,000% impact incredible,

but just the mute, no, I just don't. Classic, I don't know if that's it for me. Do you think there's a little bit of nostalgia that comes with classic? Like for example, like we were talking about bad movies that are maybe classic.

Scarface is a classic, even though you can go back and poke holes in the story, it is a classic belly horrible movie. It's gonna be a classic movie. >> Absolutely. >> The belly of Scarface are actually very similar

where there are a lot of great moments. Yes, there's a storyline, but it's just a bunch of cool moments.

St. Also, still belly still affects like cultural conversations

to this day. It's still quoted to this day. >> There's people, there's little reference to this, how hype shot it is how people to this day shoot movies and music videos. >> Yeah, so you can't, so yeah, you can say that in, as a cinephile,

yes, it's bad, it's a bad movie, but it's still a classic. Like you can't take classic from it. >> How much you? It's like an unexpected deck. >> Look at my face.

>> If the flood didn't happen, maybe you said it. >> The MX and Nas was not cascid in that. We wouldn't even be talking about that movie. >> Of course not. >> But that's a lot of things.

>> Yeah, okay, if I didn't direct it, like yeah, if anybody else did train today. >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. >> If Jayden rapper, he's a little doubt. >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

>> Casin is super important, well, we've seen movies and TV shows where, you know, they shot the pilot. >> Casin is very important. >> And they shot the pilot with one person and you know,

there was no chemistry and they put in another person, like I could never

“see, you know, Alan Thick as the dad, you know what I'm saying?”

Like shit like that. So, the funny example, wrestling piece that I think. >> I mean, but that's also hilarious too because Nas was horrible in belly, but that adds to the allure of it, oddly enough. >> Yo, I got shot in the leg, let's go to Africa.

>> Africa is five. >> Don't turn that a TV off. >> He's talking about you. >> Now you say Africa now fall? >> You said I think it's pulling up the line.

>> That's a pretty funny thing, yeah. >> We're full of the ball, it's just crazy. >> I just think it's a good move, I don't know if it's a classic though. But I get it, it's because it's so attached to our culture with DMX and Nas, man.

>> But hood classics exist? >> Yeah, hood classics, that's a real thing. >> But I don't want to take away, I don't want to say hood classics, because belly and scar face are about the same amount of bad. And why only one of them got to be deemed as a hood classic, right?

>> It's got a classic. >> Scarface hood classic too, yeah, it's got a classic, it's got only a classic, because the hood said so, man, the classic. >> I know that, it's a bourbon American thing. >> Scarface hood classic, that's not sure.

>> Scarface is not jacket, scar face and mouth kiss go. >> [LAUGH] >> They not jacket, it's golf. >> I don't know what happens in the 90s, but whenever they put like scar face posters out, then the whites got into scar face.

>> That's really what it was. >> Well, because the whites like hip hop and posters. >> But because we said it was a classic, but if you start talking to if you ask the caprio with Scarface landscape, he loves owl, I'm sure he loves his guy, but he doesn't go to Scarface when

he's talking about owl. He's probably like that's owl's worst movie if you ask the caprio. >> I was probably embarrassed in certain rooms when that's.

“>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying, it still is a classic for what?”

>> Yeah, it's a classic for what it's worth, what is it? >> It's a classic because we said it was a classic. >> But even if it's not good, you can put something, I think music is a little different from movies because people put our bad movies and enjoy them, even though they know it's a bad movie.

Like we'll put our belly knowing belly is a terrible movie and still enjoy watching it. Putting on bad music and enjoying it is cringe, that's kind of like different. >> That's different, I'd rather look at Keisha and that lingerie than the fuck you and listen to some subpop, but there's a lot of Keisha in

the middle looking to P.R. and there's hood classic that crossover though. Because I think, okay, my dad loves Scarface, my dad loves dead presidents. My dad likes Peyton full. He's probably not going to sit and watch belly with me. Like there are hood classics that I think have crossed over.

Dead presidents being one, Peyton full being one and Scarface being one. >> Poetic justice, is that a hood classic? >> Don't piss me off. >> That's you. >> Now right now I'm asking is that a hood

classic? >> I think it is? >> Yeah. >> It is. It's a classic.

>> It's not. >> Some would say it's not, yeah. >> Some would say that. >> That is not a hood classic. >> I don't like it.

>> I don't like it. >> I think that would be the bar. >> But you know, it's a great thing. It's a great phone. >> Yeah.

>> You cool? >> No. >> That's going to look cool.

What is the first one they hear?

You want to make it out? Let's go with all the body justice. >> I thought we would celebrate here birthday, why we have to make it. >> Well, let's talk exactly. What did we say?

>> I can't pose a question. >> What's wrong with party justice? >> I love poet injustice. I just wanted to make sure that the room was a great movie. >> Yeah.

“>> I think in the conversation of classic albums though.”

I do think some things are subjective, but at the same time, some things are just unanimous though. Not for sure. >> And again, back to, you know, Jay to kiss having three, two or three classes versus

Drake having none. >> People have that list one more time. I just want to see who else was on that. >> Rampuba, methamen, jade kiss, fab. >> I've got a classic.

>> It's like see that. That's an argument. >> That's an argument. Some people say to call us a classic. >> I think piece, please don't make this a clip.

>> [LAUGH] >> I think the call is not a classic. >> I think the call is, in that time, I like to call. >> It was looked at as underwhelming.

exact same time.

It is the worst one out of all of it.

>> That's a great point. >> Don't make it a clip. >> That's right. >> I don't want to get fucking killed. >> That's a great point.

You can't go to Shalin no more, but it's a great point. >> It's in Staten Island this weekend. >> You can't go this weekend. >> I don't think to cows that.

“I think methamen, again, is one of those like busted.”

Your goat goes without saying. But to cows be the closest. >> Okay. >> Methamen has good out. To cows a great album.

Let me put it that way. >> So why we can't just say that about a lot of other people. That's my whole point. >> Why I got to be classic. >> Classic, nah, but great.

It's a Cuban link. >> I wouldn't go. I wouldn't fight you to the nail on Grand Pooba Real Real Real. But I fuck with Real Real. I listen to that album.

I still think it's dope. The fact that I can listen to that album in 2026 and still think it's a dope album. Means I think it's a dope album. But when people fight to the nail and say it's a classic. No, I'm not nine on that hill.

But I think it's a great album. I think impact that ahead. Obviously, we can't count. Brand newbie in album as a Grand Pooba solo because it's brand newbie. But he really carried that album.

You know what I'm saying.

As far as him coming in and being the eldest statesman in that crew. You know what I'm saying? Having a solo records and doing all the shit that it did. It's set him up for a solo project. But yeah, nobody's going to.

I don't think a lot of people are going to say Real Real is a classic. But it's a dope Grand Pooba album. >> Grand Pooba might be one of the most underrated artists that we have. >> That's unfortunate. Let's change that.

Let's change it today. Like when you talk about everything that he bought to rap different. >> It always. >> Yeah. >> It's just tone, sound, fresh shit like.

Now it's just self. He popped off wild brands. He popped off Djibout Crazy. He popped off Hillfaker Crazy. >> Yeah, he broke that type of fly.

>> The book bag fly shit. You know what I'm saying?

“Like the preppy hood makes with the hood shit.”

Like rollies with the with the with the with the with the with that. >> And honestly. The crazy shit is. He was so instrumental in Mary J. Blodges career.

You know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. >> Like what's the full one? >> Yeah. >> And what's the join the other day to join?

Check it out. >> Check it out.

>> Like those two records without those.

Grandpa was a far bigger artist in Mary J. Blodges. >> Mm-hm. >> His credibility gave her validity and no spaces. You know what I'm saying? Like him popping off arguably one of our crown jewels in the culture.

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“>> Okay. I mean, I personally, the information I have on the album.”

It's, he's on the whiteboard. >> It's, yeah. >> He's on the whiteboard. >> Yeah. >> I did.

>> There's a whiteboard. >> There's a parenthesis. >> There's a parenthesis. >> Like, what is, what I did is. >> What's the mark?

>> I did, I'm sorry. >> My ideas are being created. >> Yes. >> Got to say that. >> I did.

>> Our being created have been created. >> Some of that. >> They write future on the whiteboard. >> Oh, say Hendrix. >> Well, no.

>> I don't know about that, but I know I did. >> Or his full government. >> Have been created. >> It is. >> Continue to be created.

>> Ideas have been pivoted from. >> Gotcha. >> So yeah. >> It's, it's not matter that. >> Where you went to media training school there.

They still like, they still open or they like shut down. >> No, no, well, tell them that. >> No, that's just the fact. >> It's just, I didn't mean created. >> No.

>> The album is being, you know, fleshed out. It's still a process. >> I'm just not sure. >> But I thought, because this isn't even information that like, we had behind the scenes.

I thought it was kind of like known that Drake and Future piece that up. That's all I was like, yeah, what the fuck? How could this happen? I thought they ate it.

Wasn't that kind of common knowledge on the timeline? >> I don't know where they were cool again. >> Oh, I don't know that. I don't know about that. But, you know, I don't think there's--

>> I'm tapped in with the Twitter rumors that that was going around everywhere. That future in Drake were cool again. >> I don't think it's far fetched that they may work together again. I don't think that's a far fetched idea.

Music is exponentially better when those guys are cool. >> I would hope to God, Drake and Future are friends. >> Yeah. >> And make more music. >> Need that.

>> Again, before we leave, I've noticed, Maul is more like Ebro than I ever thought. Because I saw this wild clip of Ebro today. >> Maul is not pleased. >> Is that confident, please?

>> Are you trying to get him back for saying Ebro to die trying? It wasn't a class.

“>> No, that's why I'm starting to realize that”

you know, just his speech off the get-rich shit like that. We don't know what we're talking about. Did you all see this Ebro clip today? >> Mm-hm. >> And Salute Ebro.

That's my guy. Love you, Ebro. This might be one of the wildest clips I've seen this month. Can we play this?

>> But that's why in hip hop there has always been gatekeepers

because some of y'all don't deserve a fucking opinion.

consuming, playing, and critiquing hip hop as your life,

you're just a fan. >> You're a jet, and we love you. You're just a consumer. You're a customer as we call them.

“That's why sometimes your opinion customer doesn't”

fucking count because you don't fucking do this for real. And that's why when people who do this for real get around and they start looking at the nuances of what an album actually is and what it should mean and what the person is saying through the album and the picture that it's painting

and the lyrical breakdown and then being able to stay on topic and who the producers are and what it means and what it serves in time and all of these things when you critique complete bodies of work, not just collections of great songs. That's when you get into like what is a classic album in general

and a classic hip hop album. I felt like you kind of sounded like that to us today. It's all about gay rich. Like we don't know what we're talking about. I said, "I don't know Chateau."

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That never came out my mouth.

One time I never said that. What is he ever talking about? I mean I don't know what he read or what people are saying to him online. Maybe he feels like people that you know haven't been in or around music and the business of music as much as he has

or as long as he has.

“Don't really have anything that they could say to him”

because again, you're speaking from a different perspective of it. One is a true consumer. First of all we're all consumers. We all consume real consumers. But Ebro has been on the other side.

He's been in a music business. He's been programmed directly at radio and you know things like that. So he has a different sense in a different you know connection to the pulse of music and just the energy of music. So I understand what he's saying to an extent.

I don't know who he's talking. I don't know where this came from. I don't know if somebody says something based on something Ebro said and responded to him and got mad at something he said on his opinion. But these are all just opinions.

It's all about opinions. But again, some things a little crazy to say. Yeah. Y'all feel like me saying. Get rich and don't try.

It's not a class. Even I said it's a great hour. I just don't think it's a class. So this is a good barbershop debate. That's one thing.

“I think that people talk with a certain level of certainty”

that don't know having no idea what the fuck they're talking about. And in that regard, I got to agree with him. Because I'm in the music business. I'm a rap, I've been in the road. I'm a songwriter.

I'm friends with these artists. I know what happened in the studio. Why did song get in? Come out, etc. You have people that respectfully.

You work at FedEx. You go get your hand cutting the barbershop. And you talk with this level of certainty about things you have no idea about. And that shit pisses me off. Because it's like.

And it got forbid you fucking buy a microphone in the computer. And the camera. And now you have. Yeah, it got forbid you got Wi-Fi. Because now you're talking and now you got to audience and now you got people

chiming in and now people are taking your word as some type of factual thing. When basically you really just talking on your ass. And I think that where it gets convoluted and that there's like a disconnection is that you have certain people that do have a certain pedigree and do have a certain regard for this business with the knowledge and access that goes along with it.

And they YouTube come up right after the other person who just talk about shit in a room and people value those things the same way when it's not coming from the same place. So I understand where you're coming from as far as like talking about behind the scene shit that other people may not be privy to but they get on a mic. And like fans come on and say all types of conspiracy theories.

What artists on all types of shit first like they're talking for sure. And I have no idea what the fuck they're talking about right with that. I agree. But when it comes to the music and the air.

The artists should never be creating music for his peers.

Or for the people to work at radio stations to critique it. Yeah, we want you to play it. But it's not for you. It's for the little niggas in the barber shop to debate whether kiss it or kiss the game Goodbye is a fucking plastic years later.

It's not for us. It's it's not for they hate that we even talk about their shit. They don't create it for us. They create it for the fans. Some more more often, especially now for the casual fan.

So to say that those people don't have the right to critique music. When they're the ones who started critique music before it became a job that pays. It brought all of that money. That's stupid to me. I'm right.

If that's if that's his argument. Yeah, everybody has the right. What's the audience out there? Everybody with ears has the right to critique it. And you're writing everything that you said.

But to me that's a very, very small, small, small part of the people that consume music. We're consumed in that world. Whether it's content reactions. This and that the fans that have now become reaction. Commentsers and that YouTube world.

Yeah, it's a big thing gets a lot of views. But go through the strings of an artist versus the strings of a reaction. Need to hear no or there. Most people are driving their kids to school, going to and from work.

Oh, I'm not saying Ebro was wrong. It was just in the way he said it was such entitlement.

“Where he doesn't realize we are the least important part of this entire process.”

We as the critikers, the media people, the commenters that are on these microphones. We are the least important out of this whole process. Matter of fact, Ebro was more important when he was a program director and was able to play certain records for artists. At that point he was more important than someone that could critique.

The two most important people in this group is the artist number one and then the consumer.

That's listening to it and buying it. Because a lot of times people in front of microphones will start listening to records they never listened to. They're only doing it to critique. They're not a consumer. They're not a consumer.

They're a constant. Right, especially you. I'm listening to this because I have to come in on it. I'm not a consumer that we are the least important. And that's also why I hate I'm going to go against our own shit.

That's why I hate PR people now. You don't do it. You don't do it. You don't put a weekend. You don't put a weekend.

But don't take it out.

“With PR people, I think they're disconnected.”

Do I love that artists want to come up here and talk about stuff?

I just don't think that's as important as y'all think it is because a lot of our fans are content fans.

They're not music fans. If someone comes up here and isn't able to play their music because you can't do that with YouTube, Netflix anywhere, it'll get whitelisted, hustling backwards. You can't even tell your label to let us clear a song that we could play on our show. Right.

That's not a music consumer. You're selling music right now. You're coming up here just to try to be funny so you can get some views. That doesn't move the needle on selling. We're so literally obsessed.

I've been this conversation with artists today. What do you think is so fucked up? Right. Because like, you know, I'm on serious exam, right? It's a radio platform.

It's a national platform. We played music. The music once it plays.

If you wrote those songs or you had artists on those songs, you will get paid from those songs.

You'll have an artist that'll dub coming up to series to come and sit with y'all. No, I'm just saying in general, right? Because yeah, high or they know the clips is going to go with whatever. Whatever. That's not going to ring the register.

Nope. You know what I'm saying? And so that shit is like the whole shit is is convoluted and twisted. But back to your point. We also, I mean, I don't look at myself as a media person.

Now even though people do, I'm an artist. All right, but I think I have enough cashier in the business that I do have a ping in the talk about it as well. But I think that you talk about those people with those people also. The consumers are important because they go out and consume right now. We all stream and says different, but they'll still go by ticket.

Yeah, I'm not focusing on buying tickets to shows. Y'all calling the label. Y'all calling the manager. Y'all going in for free. And when you went access to you want to go backstage.

You want to adapt to artists. You might want to get some content. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, you're right to that in that regard. Like we are least important people because if you're objective is to put out music so that you can financially support yourself and your family.

“Then the consumers who you need to be focused on.”

And to me also, it's contradicting of what Ebro does that I admire about Ebro with his Apple show. Outside of what he does with the desk of low and everyone. He also does his one-on-one interviews with artists that are still teetering on the line. I appreciate that Ebro will interview artists that are not a list. And I think that does help them because on the Apple platform, you can play the music afterwards because it's on their streaming site.

And it's more important because we can't play music up here because we get flagged. Ebro can do that with his stuff. And I think that's important. But why Ebro is doing it outside of him also making money as he should he as a family. It is to get that artist in front of people that will consume the music the same people that Ebro is just shitting on right now.

That's interesting. Yeah, what are we getting? Yeah, they know the context of where the person that's supposed to have an opinion. You're trying to show them the artists. Well, it appears that he that he was also involved in the classic.

Yeah. Conversation of an album. I'm sure people disagree. Well, everybody can have an opinion on that. Well, we're all music snubs.

And I also will not have conversations with certain people that I know don't love music the same way. I agree. There'll be plenty of people like, oh, I see where you're at. I'm not even. There's no point in us even having a conversation.

I literally get that there, but I don't shit on them as a human being to say that they do not matter. And you are not allowed to listen to music or have an opinion anymore. I said, I don't do what you want to do, bro. And don't say one word. So many voices that you have been for our conversations and debates about shit.

I know I get mad when you don't speak. I know it is it. No, I get my cut. I get out of there. But it's just so.

I'll be so fortunate when I'm in the chair because then I can't really talk. But I be hearing people talk and I mean, to very, very high regard and disagreement about shit. They just don't have any idea about it. And I'd be like, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. But I felt like that with math.

But I can't argue that because it's music, subjective.

So I'm just like, how can you all say that this artist has three or two or two classics?

And this artist has none. You're too much. We took my classic albums. And I wrap up, not RBM, a classic body of work.

“To me, it's just like, and in that moment, I was like, you know what?”

I get it. Like, it's all we all are going to experience and hear things and take from art differently than other. So I get it. So we can have the conversation just because it's all in the team and it's for shit and giggles. But it's like, certain things I'm just not debating.

So I'm just going to get them. When people speak matter faculty about shit that they just don't know. Especially like business shit. We can talk about opinions on music. Everybody can have their opinion on that.

People can talk about knock. Because you know, some stuff fucking with some because you did this or they did the right game. And not at all. That shit isn't knowing as fuck. But to me, to me, that's not talking about music.

That's content. You're in the content game. You're in the gossip game. You're in the Wendy Williams world. Did Wendy talk about music?

Sure, but Wendy was in the gossip world. To me, that's what those people are in. We can't win both. We can't win both. We can't win both.

I want to tell you six.

Wendy looking like, you know, a lot of folks who are talking about.

Oh, no. Her gay list is red. It might be bad. It's still gossip. It was music.

It's not back to the review. But I mean, to me, again, I'm the same way in barbershops. I will just stay quiet because it'll be a lot of shit that infuriates me. And I'll be like, you know what, the fuck you talking about. But I stay quiet because music.

I'm a snob. Yes, but I realize that music is not necessarily four snob's the way. Maybe the art world is. That's very niche. Music is for the whole world.

The volume of music comes out every day. It's not the way basketball paintings come out. Right. And like, yeah, you could walk into a gallery and be like, Bro, my two-year-old could draw this.

We don't fully understand the fucking point and this and that. Whatever music is for everybody to just listen to. It can't be critiqued at the same snob level that someone like e-roll myself or Anyone else in this room feels it should be. It's for the average consumer.

It's not for the snob. Well, if you want that, then fucking go watch whiplash and ghost.

Shit on Timothy, shall remain and say opera is the greatest thing of all time.

I don't know, there'll be a snob where snob's are. But hip hop is the biggest genre in the world. It's not for snob's anymore.

“You can't shit on the consumer if you want to keep the shit moving.”

If we all still want to have jobs, we can't have snob's. Well, I mean, we all consumers are there today. I got a laugh out of it. I'm not going to lose no sleep, but I can get upset. That's how you feel.

That's how you feel. Torrey, we want to thank you for coming back. Thank you. I've got to come back soon, man, so we can talk some more. Perfect.

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