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Have a great interview today, not a battle run. With the Governor of California, very excited to show you the full interview that we recently did with Gavin News. In part of his book tour, we talk about the book.
It's called "The Young Man in a Hurry" and memoir of Discovery. The conversation went inside the Fort Corners of the book but also beyond talked to about the book in an honest way and also the complexity of his relationship
with his parents, the reality of his first marriage
and how his kids from his second marriage have responded to that recently, or responded to that in the past. And then about the question of running for present, you know that he's talked on this program before
about the reluctance that some members of his family have to see him run for present. And I've been outspoken on the old one. I know in politics or media who said,
“I think in the end, a good chance he doesn't run.”
And we talk about the question. Does his family have a veto power over his running? If one of his kids or his wife say, I don't want you to run. Will he consider that absolute and not run?
Most people I know is cynical and say, oh, of course, he'd run his politician, he'll come back and say, oh, everybody's on board, my family's so excited. We shall see. And you'll hear what he said about that.
And I think you'll see a side of Governor Newsom
that is rarely seen and for many of you may be never seen.
A lot of you don't like him, a lot of you like him. But I think you'll get a better sense of what he's like from the conversation. Very excited to share it with you. But before we do that, my reported monologue on Iran
and the fast moving story. So I love this format. I love the video podcast format coming to you on Tuesdays and Thursdays. But in a story that moves like this, it's kind of difficult.
I want to tell you what I think and what I've been hearing from my sources. I spent seven hours on Saturday at Mara Logo. Kind of a flu. I certainly wasn't there because I knew
that the war was going to start. But I think I was only reported there. And I got to see the president moving around Mara Logo. I got to see and talk to some of his senior aids. And so I have stuff to tell you.
But, and of course, I've been covering the story since it began. But this is a snapshot, folks. Nobody could tell you how this is going to end. No, they're no verdicts.
But I'm going to give you not the final judgment because it's too early for that. But here, I'm going to give you my moment in times scorecard from talking to lots of Republicans, Democrat, National Security Officials, people in Israel
and in Europe about how they see things. OK, now even the best informed people are going to have to deal with the reality that the fog of war is a reality for anybody. I get calls from people in the administration who
don't know what's going on and what I know about what's going on. Things can change fast. Things that are true now may not be true tomorrow. Things I say now may not be true by the time you hear this. So, after a member that war is fast moving and confusing,
second, there's a distinction, unfortunately, for the country, I'd say, sometimes, at least, between what Donald Trump-- what's good for Donald Trump politically and what's good for the country, right? Good for the world.
Be nice if there was a full overlap there. But some of the things that are going well or poorly for the president and his team only pertain to them in terms of their domestic politics,
the mid-terms polling, that's not necessarily always
going to be the same as what's good for the war effort. And then lastly, for anybody, even if you're like me doing your own reporting, a lot of the information that I rely on comes from the media. And the media-- we've talked about this so many times here--
the media is biased against Donald Trump, right? They're biased against Republican presidents in general, including, during, maybe, especially, during times of war. So there's-- this not been handled perfectly. And I am a big advocate of the media holding presidents accountable
always, especially during times of war. But the coverage really does emphasize the negative. And so, as you think about what's going well,
“what's going poorly, you have to look a little bit harder”
to see what's going well and to put it in context. And the reality is, just a few days in, the list of what's going well is quite impressive and important to understanding where this is headed. Because where this is headed will be determined by facts
on the ground and Iran as much really more than anything else. So in that respect, the operation, the element of surprise, the president, very clever. Even though there was the big military build up there, the president was very clever in making people think,
well, the telltale signs of the military action may not mean it's happening when it did. And that element of surprise is part of why.
It's been so effective destroying--
not just killing the I-Tola, but other leading figures in the government. The command and control structure there has been degraded. There's no doubt. It's hard to run a counteroffensive when you've lost your top leaders.
The U.S. military alliance with Israel has been extremely strong. Limited loss of human life, of other equipment, on the part of the U.S. and Israel, if big loss of life and equipment on the part of the Iranians.
The missile defense in the region in Israel has been very effective. Some missiles have gotten through. There's been some loss of life on both the Israeli side and the American side.
But for the most part, that incredible technology
developed with Israel and the United States has been successful in the Gulf States who use the versions as well. OK.
“The other thing that I think super important”
is about the rhetoric. A lot of criticism will get to that of how the administration's defended the war. But you've seen already people believing what I believe the president should be true in our report
of this in the last day. This can end without regime change or could end with regime change. But I think some people, it's gotten through to some people. The argument that says, even if there's no regime change,
this can be a success. The destruction of Iran's nuclear capability, their missile capability, their sponsor of terrorism
capability, their navy, the elimination of their top
government and military leaders. The president would like regime change. He's made that clear. But just doing those things for many people would be a success. And I think that's an important market
to put down, even though a lot of people in the media, a lot of Democrats and some Republicans are obsessed with this question of does regime change come with this operation or not?
“Here at home, we've saw horrible incident in Austin, Texas,”
that may or may not have been connected to the military operation. But most people in America so far, knock wood, thank goodness, our safe, same in Israel. We saw one of the bunkers, public bunker,
that people may be weren't using correctly, saw a loss of life there. But mostly as rallies have been safe in their bunkers. The relationship, another thing that's going well between the United States and Israel,
between Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu, that couple that duo planned this operation, very aligned, and they've stayed aligned at least up until now. And that alignment in that operation includes the military side. But it also includes stuff we don't see intelligence gathering,
special ops on the ground, assassinations, cyber warfare, other measures being done right below the radar.
But maybe we'll never know.
I'm sure we'll never know about some of it. But that operation continues effectively. What's the dog that's not barking? Russia and China in the past when the United States has dealt with this kind of situation, historically,
China and/or Russia have made a lot of noise, made threats come to the aid of the country of the United States as it odds with, not happening here publicly. And I know indication it's happening behind the scenes.
And at the other side, at the same time, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, Egypt, these other countries, are not citing decisively or at all with the Iranians. That's a success for the president. Limited pushback on assassinations.
You're not really supposed to assassinate the leaders on another country. And these killings of the IITOL and others, these weren't accidents of war. They targeted them.
And I would have thought there'd be more conversation about that, whether it's moral, whether it's a good idea for the United States to assassinate a foreign leader. Good for the president.
“I think that that hasn't been discussed.”
Capital Hill is holding. They're going to be votes on restricting the president's capacity to fight this war. All indications for my sources is that won't pass. A lot of discussion in the media about maga
and that this is the time when they're going to split. The politics of this are really something. There are people in the Democratic Party who are for this, although mostly the politicians are against it. More complicated on the Republicans side there.
A lot of Republicans who are for this again, a lot of the politicians are for it because of their loyalty to president Trump. And because they think dealing with Iran is the right thing.
But there are prominent maga voices that are against it, no doubt. What's been successful for the president so far? And then we'll turn to what's gone poorly. Is there some maga voices against it,
but a lot of maga voices, including the Vice President of the United States, who are for it? And the establishment wing of the Republican Party, whether you want to call him neocons or establishment or traditional hawks, they've been for it.
And the president now has picked up support
From some unlikely quarters.
This is maybe the last person I've ever covered who I thought would be for Donald Trump. This is Jeb Bush in a video he made. He's been a hawkish on Iran. This is Jeb Bush, Iran against Donald Trump in 2016
from a political family that has no love loss for Donald Trump. Here's Jeb Bush speaking in support of the Iran Apporation. Is this nine please?
We honor the incredible bravery and selflessness
of the servicemen of the United States armed forces and the Israel defense forces. We applaud the courage and leadership of our commander-in-chief, President Donald Trump, in steadfast partnership with our Israeli friends
as the United States and Israel confronts the forces of tyranny and terror. So Donald Trump has Jeb Bush's support is supportive of the congressional Republican leadership of some prominent Democrats of people in the United States
who are very hawkish on defending Israel. Public opinion polls are split and mostly negative.
“I think it's premature for the president”
to have to be concerned about those. There's no election anytime soon. But you can find lots of agave voices who are negative or skeptical. But public opinion in general
from the president side is supportive.
On the other side, I think the president's benefited from the lack of Democrats finding the right pitch on this. With few exceptions, John Federman's one. I think the Democrats have spoken out about this
in such a negative way. Now, if this mission ends up a failure, then the president will pay a political price. That's the way the world works and his party will. But if it ends up being a success,
I think a lot of Democrats are going to look foolish for having been so negative about it. Similar refrains, president didn't have a plan, didn't have an exit strategy. It was a war of choice, not a war of necessity.
It's going to cost a lot of money, going to cost a lot of human lives. And just a general characterization of Donald Trump as being incompetent. Here's one of many Democrats almost universally
in public life who have spoken out against this operation. This is former vice president, Harris S5, please. Donald Trump has dragged us into a war. The American people do not want. He has put American troops in harm's way.
I unequivocally oppose this war of choice and everyone should.
And the bottom line, when it comes down to it,
is that if we want to stop Donald Trump with this random decision that he has arrived at, then Congress must act and Congress must act immediately. The American people do not want our sons and daughters to go into this unauthorized war of choice,
and I unequivocally oppose it. So come, Larry, speaks for tens of millions there. There's no doubt, but at the same time, again,
“I think it's been good for the president,”
just a matter of the way politics works. That the Democratic Party is coming off has very skeptical about this operation, very hostile to it. And if it ends up working well, that'll be good for him. And if it ends up getting poorly, he'll take all
our responsibility from the Democrats. So that's all the stuff that I think is going well. A lot of it, that's good for America. Some of it's more good for the president than for America as a whole.
But some things are going poorly. And it's good important to point those act to be honest about them, and to make it clear where we stand. There is no clear end game.
There is no post-conflict stabilization plan. And Iran could spiral into catastrophe. You've seen. Other presidents say, no, no, no, no. This is a limited operation.
And then you've got Mission Creep. You've got one of those forever war fears that you see throughout the MAGA. You see it on the left.
“The country does not want it forever war.”
It's got not all Trump elected. Help J.D. Vance get elected to the Senate. And so you could imagine a situation here, spiraling out of control, where the only answer to avoid huge loss of life would be American forces
on the ground boots on the ground. I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think the president will do it under literally any circumstances. But that is something that people are talking about.
And the president and Pete Hanksett, the secretary of war, egg that on by in the last 24 hours, neither of both of them refused to rule that out. Boots on the ground spooks a lot of people. And so I would say that maybe they were saying it
just to leave the Iranians guessing. But that to me, this question about what's going on in the future of this and how it will end. That's one thing that's not going as well as it might. Credibility questions.
You saw the president, a couple of videos, Caroline Levitt, Pete Hanksett and others, NAMARCA Rubio, explaining the rationale for the war. I actually amore sympathetic to how they've explained it than others.
The fundamental reason for this is, as I've reported,
The president does not want to end his term
without having dealt with Iran as a nuclear power
“of missile technology, a sponsor of terror.”
And he's taking this opportunity to do it now because of what happened with the suppression of the attempts of the people of Iran to rise up. And the failure to negotiate with the Iranians on the nuclear program, which the president's team
thought decided the Iranians weren't good partners weren't sincere partners in trying to negotiate. So the rationale for the war in my view is pretty clear. And there's subrational, right? It's not just one thing.
But I'll say again, what's not going well is not just in the press and not just with the Democrats, but even some Republicans who are supportive of this operation and its goals have said to me, they're not really explaining it in a way
that's consistent and clear and compelling.
The Iranian drone capacity turns out their capabilities turn out to be stronger than some people in the government, the U.S. government expected. And that's potentially a problem.
“A drone warfare, of course, now is a big part of warfare.”
The U.S. and Israel are using a lot of drones to go after Iran and to defend. But that's something that's not going as planned as hope, I'm told, that grappling with the drones is a complexity here.
The question of endurance of how long those carriers, the U.S. carriers can stay in the waters off Iran, how long the necessary munitions will be there for missile defense and other operations. You can't say that's not going well yet
because it's early and those things are in a problem yet.
But the clocks ticking and a lot of the military planners,
a lot of the political planners are worried about that when the president says we could be at this for four weeks, five weeks, there's some question in some planners' minds about whether that's actually a sustainable and doable thing. The conflicts has spread geographically.
That's not great either, not a surprise, but Iran has started to hit other countries in the region. You see the air travel halted throughout the region. Now, there's an upside to them having hit these other countries and loss of life has been limited, thank goodness.
It's brought these other countries into the conflict on the side of the United States and Israel, but the spreading of the conflict means the United States and Israel have to worry about higher geographical area. Israel, their global image was not great before this,
their global their image in the United States was not great. That's a problem because I don't know that this is going to improve Israel's image. We've already taken America's already taken some casualties. The price tag is already high, it will rise higher.
We know that a big part of the reason that two reasons that Americans don't like the forever wars loss of American life, spending of American treasure. And again, when the president talks about four or five weeks, it is going to be massive amount of money, billions and billions.
It's Carl Sagan would say to spend on this. And that risks a political backlash and unpopularity and it's very hard, even if you're only using air Paris, very hard to sustain a conflict if the operations unpopular.
The volatility of oil prices is also something that's not going well, although again, I'll say, as a caveat, it could be worse. This administration has found various ways tangible and intangible to avoid volatility at a high level,
even when they do volatile things like on tariffs and the previous Iran strike and as well. But there is volatility in oil, gas prices have been affected. That's not great for the president. And then the broader question which energy prices relates
to is economic volatility and what's going to happen here. If supply chains are disruptive, oil prices go up, et cetera. Poling is not great. Not that long-go-jorge bush in the Gulf War. George H.W. Bush has approval rating went into the '90s.
I don't know that there's anything Donald Trump could do to have his poll numbers go up that high with the American people because of the polarization. Maybe if he repelled a Martian invasion successfully.
“But even then, I think Democrats would say”
he had projected intergalactic weakness. So there's no rally around the president in any big way. If you look at the polling, the president's operation is less popular than he is. And if it goes super well, you could see him
maybe going up into the '50s, but I doubt higher than that. Donald Trump, though, is not going to tell this story here. What's going to tell this story of this operation are the people of Iran. The elites who will decide who ends up
ruling the country in the wake of the elimination of so much of the leadership will they be just the heir to the current government, will they be changed in their political system. And then they're the public. Unfortunately, there's a 40-day morning period right now
for Ayatollah Commandy. That dampens the prospect of any immediate political uprising. It's hard. We're told to go out in the streets. We heard this on two way, on one day night,
from John Fowler of International Entry,
Because 40-day period of morning makes it hard for somebody
to go out in the street and oppose the government.
“What Trump would like, and he makes reference”
this in private conversations is what happened in Venezuela. Maybe not a wholesale replacement of the Iranian government immediately. But if Venezuela is on our scenario where as the president said, he fired a couple people
and replaced them with kept the rest of the staff, there's a leadership vacuum now in Iran. We don't really know what's going on behind the scenes fully. But what we do know is the best case for the people of Iran and for the president of the United States
is to have a government there that's friendly to the people, friendly to the United States. Maybe integrated economically with the United States. In the end, with so much focus on Donald Trump on BB Netanyahu on the US, Israel Alliance,
that's not where the story is going to be written. They're key players on this.
But where the story is going to be written is not there
on cable news. This story is going to be written in Tehran and the streets all around Iran in government buildings and private homes. That's where it will be written.
“But the United States and Israel and its allies have now unleashed”
the forces that are going to allow, as the president said, from day one, this will allow the Iranian people to take control of their destinies to write a new chapter in the history of the country. A lot of that will depend on them.
But no doubt it is heat up by how well, Israel and the United States are doing in this conflict and my reporting. So far suggests things are going pretty well, with a lot of things to watch, a lot of potential trouble spots
and a lot of trouble spots. All right, that is my reported monologue for today on the biggest story in the world. When I hear from you, what you think, how is the effort going?
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We're both bestselling authors, both aspiring podcasters and both primarily known for our hell of good hair. One of the things we have in common, the government, California and I, are constantly asked to explain him.
We're constantly asked, I used to say my business cards would say Governor welcome that I'm a Trump explainer and because of you, I'm now in do some explainer and I'm asked to explain you to Californians, which I should have to do and people all over.
The governor's author of the new book called Young Man in a hurry, a memoir of discovery and it is a beautiful and very heartfelt attempt to try to kick some of the pressure off me, explaining how to do some of them.
But you're glad that it's all about you. So I appreciate this, I appreciate it. But it is led, it is led surprisingly to me and even more questions. So Governor, congratulations on the book.
I'm, even the New York Times, no lover of new some, hard to find lovers of new some outside,
Paid staff and immediate family these days.
Jesus Christ, but even the New York Times gave you
“a very nice review and they said that, you know,”
the guy wrote the review as someone I've known for a long time said, it helped explain you. So one of the things people constantly say about you is it's all ambition. This is just a book to lay the groundwork
for presidential campaign. Explain, please, a lot of what this interview is going to be is trying to let you explain things that I believe have been mischaracterized. Why did you write the book?
Did you write the book to further your presidential aspiration or some other reason? Some other reason. So the origin story is very interesting. And tragically, Anne got off, who's just a legend
and publishing it, Penguin Pass. Yes. She asked if she had it in one of my books as well, so I knew her quite well. Yes, you know, or so, and you know,
I'd tough she can be as well, and that will get to the, my response. She passed away two days ago, the day the book was launched and God bless her. She invited me to write a book about six years ago.
I submitted the book, you know, appreciate this Mark, about two years ago. And she didn't like it. She said, you know, I'm not interested in COVID.
I'm not interested in those first four years as governor
and relationship to Trump.
“And that's what she wanted me to write about.”
There was one chapter in there about my mom and dad and my history. And I assumed that's what she wanted to edit out. And I was prepared for that. I thought, okay, you don't want any of that.
And she said, just the opposite. And she sort of forced shifted this thing back into a memoir. And then I had to go back over the last two years and dive deeper into my history in my past.
So this young man in a hurry is a memoir of discovery. And this memoir of discovery is quite literally discovering about my mom and dad and their divorce. Learning about my mother and her father and her grandfather. Learning about my dad and his struggles,
not just his ambitions. And as a process, learning about myself. And so that's what this book is. And that's what it represents. It's not the veneer of a politician.
It's not a sanitized version of a elected official or public servant. It's about me scrutinizing myself and relationship to my past. And as it relates to the present and the future,
I'll leave that to others to determine what this benefits or whether this is a burden. But for me, this was a cathartic process. And it's one that I'm very proud of because it's who I am. The book is at least a three for, it's a great read.
It reads like a great story and all great, all great narrative, nonfiction. You read it and you think movie scenes. And there's a ton of scenes in here that are just fascinating. Second, if you're interested in Gavin News,
some one of the most important people in America today,
by most measures, it's a great way to get to understand him. And then finally, it's a very interesting the way you, the way from a process point of view. If you're interested in writing, you worked with a ghost writer, but I hear your voice in.
And I'd be curious to know how you collaborated. Maybe we'll get to that.
“But if you want to understand how to write,”
it's just a great instruction there. So that's the book. You said you'd want to do it that the near time said, "Enverges on therapeutic self analysis." I think it goes more than verges, as you just suggested.
That's what it is. But why did you want to do that? Why didn't you just talk to your relatives and think about it? And not write a book. Why was it?
Because you had a book deal and you had to write something? No. I mean, I look. I could have forest fed the book that we submitted. I am by the way.
I'm very proud of that book as well. And it's written. I mean, if you want to book about COVID, do you want to-- So you were at the whole thing, not just sample chapters? Oh, no.
The book is 100. I mean, we thought it was 99% done and we'll get, and it gets into all those things. Yeah. Critics or pundits may want to get into eventually. So that's where I was ready off the shelf and I'll have to push send.
No, look, I just, you know, Mark, I don't know if you've seen this. I don't know that anyone cares to see it. I'm on the other side of a lot of things right now. I've just, you know, I've been shapeshifted in the last couple years. After the recall, you know, I came out of totally different person after the fires and
Los Angeles where I was on my heels and getting just crushed by Elon and by Trump and the right-wing media and Hannity and all these guys, 24/7, just tried to tear us down, push you know, another recall. And then June of last year, when Donald Trump called me for 17 minutes, didn't read me any right-act, just wanted to read me in on his psychosis as it relates to nicknames and
whether or not Kamala Harris really beat him in the debate and then fertilize the national guard. And I just, just on the other side of things. And so in the process of writing this, I had that mindset, like, you know, this is for my kids and grandkids and I don't, you know, I don't get to do over.
There's a finality this. I've got a cell by date. And so I'm just going to tell my truth and I'm going to scrutinize myself and we're working with Mark Erick's a rock star writer at your point where we try to sort of paint a picture
We try to really, there's a, back to storyboard storytelling.
He kept going because he asked me five layers deeper is that you really want, and he just challenged me and I said, man, why are we doing this if we're not going to do it right and not be honest? And so, you know, it's the best I can do, but everybody's just so prone to the cynicism of politicians and politics, and I talk about how I played into that as well in this book.
So, but I, and I talk about that mask I put on and how I, you know, my face was growing into it and how I could be an authentic in terms of how I talk my hands, words I say wearing a suit and high school that that hair gel, the whole thing. And I just, I try to break all that open and to the extent, you hate me more, great. I can't control that and that's fine.
“But this is a book, and Mark, I think you can appreciate this, man.”
This is a book for my kids. That dedication is intentional. Yeah. I say, may you continue this story. It's a book I wish my parents had done.
Yeah.
It's such a gift to your kids, and as you said, great kids some day, because they never
would have had all this if you had done this. My dad's working on his memoirs now, and I'm, you know, I'm helping read stuff for him and give him kids a suggestion. It's phenomenal for me to be able to share that. So, you're doing a great job.
You're doing a great thing for your kids, so the central premise, to me, is something that has gotten a lot of attention, which is, I knew that your parents were divorced. And I knew that your dad gave you on-trade to a big, thency life. But you've laid it out in a way that again, it's decency and it's cinematic. It's an extraordinary thing, because some people who are child children of divorce, they've
got one parent who's got more wealth and more status. But the gap here is epic, because you weren't just dealing with, like, going to a fancy country club, you were on private planes with the getties, you were meeting celebrities. So, just lay that part of the book out, because it's the spine of the whole thing for many.
Lay out what was like, how much time did you spend with your dad, how much time did you spend with your mom, and how did you deal in real time, not in retrospect, with the gap between those two things?
Well, they never talked about any of this when I was a kid.
“The only thing I remember was a kid, my first pet, this is hardly relatable, was a river”
otter, a potter of the otter, that I was named after Gavin Maxwell, who wrote the book Ring of Bright Water about river otters. It paid some picture of my father as an activist in terms of environmental justice, racial justice, social justice. He became a justice of the court of appeals, and was one of those, what Bush would say,
the majority of it was an activist judge in terms of his causes, and that was the connection to my father from afar, but from afar, because I 19-year-old that he married was pregnant with me, became a 22-23-year-old on her own with two kids, my father ran for county supervisor and San Francisco lost, turned around and ran for state senate and lost, and I never knew why they got divorced, they never talked about it, a memoir of discovery again, I learned
from the bankrupt library, an oral history of my father that no one told me about. My father describing why he left my mom and his two kids, because not only did he lose the race as he said he was broke and broke in, and just needed to get the hell out of there. And so he was a distant figure from most of my childhood.
“My mom worked two or three jobs in entire life, and I know that a fence folks that just”
think I'm trying to sanitize, be you know what? With all due respect to those guys on Fox and everywhere else that want to just, you know, just your berry folks, because they disagree with them, you know, my mother deserves more grace. And I'm going to give her that dignity to talk about her life and her struggles, where
she did work two or three jobs for her whole life, where we were a foster family growing
up, where there were always roommates and people because she was living in the living room
to make ends meet, to continue to live, my dad never made a lot of money. He gave us a second mortgage in a small town in rural California, talk about Main Street. Literally, that was 40 years of Dutch flat California of in Plaster County. He left us books, he left us, you know, a sense of purpose, but not a lot of wealth, but he absolutely opened those doors as you describe, and I describe in detail to the
getty world. And that duality is shaped so much of the perception of me, but one side of that, meaning it's the privilege side that people see, and they don't necessarily see the side of my mom and her struggles, and so I try to crack all that open because it's a way of cracking me open.
It explains my anxieties, my uncertainty, my imposter said, my ability to walk in two worlds, but also sometimes never feel part of either world that talks about why I try to overcompensate in certain ways. It talks about it's all in relation to two, all of us listening. This is a case that we are the some parts of those that raise us, and those experiences
that mark us. And divorce is part of that and learning disability is a huge part of my life, and that seems to have offended some.
It's a big part that shaped me and it shapes who I am today.
From the time you were a toddler to the time you were 21, had to what extent did you feel loved by your mother?
“Oh my gosh, I mean, she never explained, never complained.”
She just always, it was a hard work, grit, she just taught me discipline.
If I want to basketball court, you got a paper root, you know, can't afford, but paper root, then you're going to do construction. Jeff, I talk about all that, and that was, she instilled all that in me. And that's not, but that's not love, that's something good, but that's not love. Did you feel, did you feel loved by your mom?
Oh, no, that's different, that's deeper than love, man. I mean, I described striking out three times, I was the right, you know, I was the right field for roundtable pizza and literally you got what's going to quit, struck out three times, she took the balls, she took a bat, she walked right back out in the field three hours later. She didn't have to say she loved me, she demonstrated every single day, she wasn't
going to let me give up.
And so no, I never thought a second that she didn't love me, and of course, I felt a
lot of resentment. She said it's okay, Gavin, to be average. You know, I'm more excited in the book, it's a moment that was pretty powerful and profound and devastating to me, like average. And, you know, in the process of writing this, I found back to Grace and on this journey,
I started to understand what she struggled with as a kid and the fact that she was a kid when she was raising me and what she was saying basically, it's okay, you know, just to be you. You don't have to be someone else, it's okay, they have an entire time reading. And so I went through this process, including her own assisted suicide, where I was very
resentful that I was there holding her hand for a last breath and it was very painful. And over the process of writing this and over the last year and a half, two years, I've just now, I've still holding her hand, I still, that breath is my breath and so I have this deeper love for her and deeper relationship with her that I've ever had and I lost
her 20 years ago and she never met my kids, but love was never, never endowed with her.
So I've listened really closely and it's a beautiful answer and it's very reflective of
“the way you write a better in the book. So folks, if that interests you, you should”
buy the book and read about that. But I didn't hear you say explicitly, you knew your mom loved you from the time you were toddler to the time you she died, you knew unambiguously she loved you, correct? Oh, without hesitation exception, she never expressed it, she showed it and that's the difference and that's what I said. By the way, it's not what we say, it's what we do, but
that was never endowed. Did you feel loved by your dad? He was distant and I didn't feel that when we were kids, quite the contrary. I felt a longing for him. We described, I described in the book, you know, the drop-off points on I-80, the nut tree. People in California will know what the nut tree is and how my mom
and dad would go to the midpoint and I'd be grabbing his leg, crying, freaking out, like I'm going back home to what I thought was sort of the hell of discipline with my mom, which was a different lived reality of scarcity versus the abundance of being up there and laying a towel with my dad and being able to be out in the river and in the water. But that expression of love was very hard for me to identify with until much later in life.
When I started selling in sports, when I started getting politics and I described Mark and the scene where he survived to see me get elected governor was a miracle that he was alive in his wheelchair. In the lecture night, his caretaker says, you know, and we had won early. You know, others were punned to the time saying, "Newsam's elected." And she goes, "Tell your son, you love him." In front of everyone. He said, "Old Irish Kathy couldn't do
it. He did a Jackie Cleason thing." Yet I never doubted it and I write about it in the book that he always did, but he never was able to express it. And I never understood his love for me until much later. Those early years were difficult. Your kids never made either of your parents. No, no. Well, my dad, near the later years, the oldest older. It's older. I got to know my tiny bit through my election day. And little Dutchy that I
tried to paint a picture with the pacifier on my inaugural, that ran up to the stage and I gave a speech with him and in my arm it was he's trying to fall asleep, which is, you talk about love man and that's the manifestation of it. I wish I had a Joe Rogan 3-hour interview, but we don't.
“So I'm going to move on from this. But I just folks, again, if you want to understand Gavin Newsam”
and you want to read about it complicated life, then again, I'll just say, all these reactions, like you lay it out. It's not, it's unusual the gap between the life your dad exposed you to and what you did with your mom. But it's not false. It's not made up. And if people want to attribute it to, you're trying to convince people, you know, you weren't born on third base. You know, it's just factual. Just here's another thing. Can you read, can you read a book?
I can read. I just have to underline it. I can't read spatially. I can't, that's why I can't read a speech mark because spatially I'll lose the line. So I'll literally, and I mean, I wish I had
A book here.
book. I have to underline and then what I'll do is I'll take what's underlined and then I'll
put it out and this is literally an actual example. I'll just put in pieces of paper everything underlined and then I'll do that for hours and hours and hours and then eventually I'll put it on a little the other card, which will have just quick notes and then it's in my head. But that's the process. But really everything online, I have to print out. So I take what's online, print out your blog or something. Yeah. And then underline it and then put it in here. So it's a process.
So you can't read on a phone. You can't read on a phone or an iPad. I can't. I just get, I start daydreaming. I start drifting off and so it's so if your pen is the key. So if you're reading, if you're reading my book, say, you just open it and you just you just start
underlining as you read it. 100% as I circle. Yeah. I make stars and then I go back and without exception,
I'll go back to every book I read and then I will write it out. I have hundreds and hundreds of these paths and this is the gift. This is the gift to dyslexia. I know people want to mock it and mock people that didn't do well academically. But the gift is a superpower. Because it allows
“you with discipline. It's hard work. It's the grid. It's what my mom, that's what, that's her legacy.”
It gives you the ability then to be able to absorb a lot but also allows you the ability to be much more flexible allows you the ability to I think to just have strengths where others struggle and find weakness. I want to come back to this because this is another thing where I just find the way people are reacting to this to be offensive, not just to you but to people with disabilities. But you said you read Jomp and Allen Amy Parns book in an hour and a half or something.
Can you read a book that fast? Underlining that hyperably. That's more rhetorical. I was I was saying to them how much I love their book. And by the way, I wish I had their book. You can see how long does it take you to read that book in reality? You know, I mean, that book was quite literally easy to read because it was so familiar. You know, it's I'm not a particularly slow reader. I'm just have to be a more disciplined reader.
And then I have to read read what I read because I'm literally constantly struggling with the focus
on the first pass. And then the second pass is where it's muscle memory. And by the way,
I'll challenge you and it's interesting. You bring that up Mark. That's an interview where I know notes. Not a word. There was no there was nothing. They came in the podcast together.
“I would challenge people to watch that. And I think it's a proof point.”
I was going chapter by chapter versus by verse right through the process that I just described without any notes because there's no point. You won't see me in a podcast with notes. Right. Because again, especially I can't look down. So again, it's just a lot more reps behind the scenes. Right. And that's it. You know, it's a burden in a gift. So explain this with me. You got to figure this out. Joe Biden started. And there's a hundred
articles about overcoming adversity. How hard he had to work. It's one of the things that people said this is such a great story that defines this man and his effort. You're a description of what you had to do to learn to read. You were sent mayor of San Francisco, you were a lieutenant governor, you were governor. You're the leading presidential candidate for the Democratic Party. And the press forget that forget the people don't like you in politics. The press, I mean, as there ever
been a story written about it, there is. I remember reading one. But people are mocking this. People are saying, you're writing the book about how hard it was for you. Why is that? Why don't
“people see this the way they saw Joe Biden's stutter? Why not? What is it? I think it's a lot of”
self-inflicted wounds, Mark. I think I walked into a lot of things. I created a lot of my own narrative. I talk about I write about that in the book. I'm very forthright about that. I made mistakes. I leaned into them. I'm the guy that went to the French laundry. I owned that. Shame on me. I was raw. I played into that. It wasn't just some restaurant. It was the French laundry, right? Just reinforces that frame. I'm not naive about any of that. By the way, you think people are tough on me. I'm
tougher on myself. Tenics, tougher on myself, behind the scenes. But these are also things that you know, and I think all of our lives, again, I use the word grace. I'll continue to use it. It's all of those things. I've landed me where I am today. And so, you know, while I have regrets, I do. And I write about those. The same time, I'm going through those trials. Going through. I mean, I've got knocked down over and over and over again. And this notion of resilience, not perfection,
is really what in perseverance is really what I'm, you know, I've discovered in myself. And I hope it's what people understand when they read the book. All right. Next up, more with the promising young author of young man in a hurry, a memoir of Discovery, California, Gavin Newsom, right after this. Hey, let me ask you something. Do you own physical gold? Most people do not.
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“reasons, as I said before, if you like reading good writing, if you want to understand Gavin Newsom”
or if you want to hear read great stories about it, it's just an incredible life. For a relatively young man, you've had already had an incredible life. And there's just a ton in here, I want to ask you about one thing that people are interested in. They ask me about it all the time is your first marriage to Kimberly Gilphoa who I know. Lots of people know her from Fox and know that she was for a time engaged to Donald Trump Jr. Who has some similarities with you but different. So you talk
about it in the book, but some people wish you talked about it more. They said to me, they've read it, they don't get it. But just to explain, was she a different type of person politically then or you overlook political differences? How do you explain that part of your life being married to someone
who now is, you know, as magas and gets? Yeah, I mean, she always had a prosecutorial mindset.
I mean, she was out there, Diane Whipple. There was a famous dog mulling case in San Francisco,
“they really marked her career as an entity and she ended up on court TV, eventually,”
through Roger Ailes support on Fox. And, you know, I could see those tendencies play out sometimes when she was doing Pondentry. But she also, you know, had a remarkable family and father. I want to just one of my great heroes growing up with old Irish men, immigrant, working his tail off from West Part of San Francisco, didn't explain, didn't complain when his wife died and really just was there for his two remarkable kids, Anthony, and Kimberly.
And that just shaped her. She's got, she's tough. She's got grit. She's incredibly bright. And she's very talented. And so it was, you know, we had a great relationship. It was just attended to be more of a partnership in the context of a friendship, eventually, not necessarily great love stories. It's, is, often as the case for two reasons, she was a young woman in a hurry. It was the young man in a hurry. And our career, our career passed, deviated. She ultimately
went to take that job at Fox, but it was not in San Francisco, despite being the first lady of San Francisco. And so it ended amicably. And the relationship is continued remarkably amicably for decades. And I write in the book as honestly as I could. And, you know, I'm, that's interesting. The reaction some people have. Because I wrote about it a lot, her, a lot. The relationship
and her in relationship is well to my mom. I never knew. My mom hasn't she never told me.
In the book, I learned about, went through my sister and others that never had the guts to tell me what my mom really thought about the relationship, what my sister thought about the relationship.
“So again, when I say memoir discovery, that subtitles there for a reason. And that's why this”
was a really remarkable experience to be able to write this book and learn more about myself. And to have, I think a deeper understanding, a more objective prism to the world I'm living and not just a subjective reality that I believed. One more question about Kimberly. Are your kids, do they know or are they interested in that part of your life? Well, you know, I've never particularly shared this and I appreciate this
mark. I will never forget ever ever forget when my oldest daughter just turned 16 and was the first
online discovered this. I had not proactively brought it up. And they, you, they, you've been married at all. Yes. And I will never forget she organized all four kids waiting for me to go home and clean my little guy who's like, what are we doing to even know what's going on? Still may not to this day. He just turned 10 yesterday. And my wife, they're forget I get home. She goes, okay, it's all yours. She walked away and all kids had an intervention with me. In my office,
up in Farrowks, it's the opening scene and the book has been up in Farrowks. I didn't write this scene. I probably should have. And in fact, I, you know, I would have been an interesting scene. And, and I had to explain all this to them. And my wife, Jen, today, make sure I did that one on my own appropriately. Yeah. And what did you say to them? I said, you know, I, look, they were, they were unbelievable and lovely about it. My, my daughter was crying. She was really upset. She thought
it was a, you know, I don't want to speak for her because she made it a little upset. But I felt
She felt it was a bit of a portrayal until I was able to explain it and expla...
mom. This was a way before mom. And because of the fact that I met her, I became a different person
“and, and mom came into our life. And the reason you guys are here is because of this, this path”
that we're all on. And there was, you know, again, I kind of painted a picture of it where they, they felt validated. They felt seen. And they quite literally were there because of this journey that I've been on and it was waiting for this moment. And that moment was finding Jen, which I write about in the book falling in love with her and having these four beautiful works of art, my four kids. Yeah. Um, I've just, I, again, I maybe you can come back and a few weeks and we'll talk more
because there's just so much in the book I want to get to. You know, the central question for me that I, I've said at the top idea with all the time is, I, I don't know you all that well,
but I've never thought of you as a phony. I just don't. I know politicians, I know politicians
who are phones. Uh, you know, you've, as you said, you've made mistakes. You've, you've certainly done things and you write about them that open the door to people feeling that guy's got, you know, lots of hair product, that guy's hands on that guy's successful. But, but, I mean, I just, I just don't experience his use of phony. Uh, the near times review says this, Newsom has often seemed unknowable, distant and inscrutable. Do you, do you, thank you come across to people as distant and inscrutable?
Well, I, you know, I don't, those aren't the words I use in the book, but I do refer to that image and how that was sort of created and I, and I played into it because look, I, I'm still that kid in the back of the classroom praying that the teacher doesn't call on me. I'm always be that kid. And so there's a shyness, which is ironic because I tend to, I love people, I love crowds, but I'm also, there's sort of a natural shyness in my life. And so that sometimes comes off
as a little aloof. And I remember, you know, there's some, there's some scenes with, it's a lancy street with Mimi Silver. And she's, you know, she said, you know, you're the fucking mayor. And you're going to get your, and she really started crack me open. And, I mean, it really
“crack me open. And, and I, again, remember, I'm the kid in high school with a suit on, all right?”
I was putting on a uniform. So it's completely legit that people feel that way. And I hate that they feel that way. Because, you know what, that makes them, I don't want anyone to feel bad about it. I feel like, you know, no one wants to hate someone. I mean, they feel good, but it's just like, it's not. So I rather people hate me for real reasons, for the right reasons, not for those other reasons. And that's why I'm telling you, Mark, man, I'm on the other side. It's reflected in my social media,
it's reflected my willing to take political risk. It's reflected in the way I'm leaning into the world. It's reflected in this damn book. Take me or leave me. You don't like me. I'm good. I'm good. I got nothing else to prove. I got enough hugs from my mom and dad. And I learned about the hugs come in many different forms through the process of the book. And I have more hugs than I can ever have dreamt of with these four perfect kids. And that's life. I'm not going to screw up moving
forward. All right. Let's talk about the four perfect kids. You were on the first or second episode
of this program. And you told me a story about one of your kids going to come me back for a friend's ass with a single security guard and saying, you know, when can I go back to have a normal life, when are you going to be out of public life? Then you didn't interview a Danna Bash on CNN as part of the book tour. And you said, I mean, I run because my family, you know, has ambivalence about it. I say all the time, I don't think you're going to run. I think you may get in and then get out.
But I think I think this because so many people dislike you. It's just true. Maybe the book will take the edge off of that because you're going to get scrutiny for stuff.
“You've never gotten scrutiny before. That's what happens. If you run on, I just, I just, I just think”
my gut says you're not going to run in the end. But, but people said to me, Mark, you think those kids don't want to be in the line like they pose for Annie Leibowitz. So explain, build on what you said to me several months ago, build on what you said to Danna, how should people understand you're willing this to run if it's not a six nothing unanimous decision. If one kid says, "Daddy, I don't want you to run for president, is that a veto that they can exercise?"
So, let me, uh, I'm pretty sure you have the question. I love this question.
And let me unpack and give me a second if I can. Yeah. Take care.
I know you're busy. I know you're busy. I know you've got a commercial for rakes. I know you've got to get to other stuff. But let me just try my best to be as a sink, but I also feel like it deserves a better response. I don't know a 16 year old that would not take up a phone call from Annie Leibowitz to get photographed for vote. So that's just that. Okay. So that's a separate thing all together. Those kids doing that. The two boys were like, "What the hell are we doing here?"
And it's reflected at how they dressed that day. The two girls, it was like one of the dreams of their life. And as a dad, I was very proud that they can experience that. But as it relates to my daughter, she, you know, she's got a countdown clock. She's literally got a calendar.
She tells me every day how many days left with myself by date, this milk cart.
job as governor so that she can have her freedom. Because again, she's a 16 year old girl. And it's understandable. That said, my 11 year old, so you were referring to an unbash. My 11 year, excuse me, my 14 year old son, who was 11, when he really started to discover my political realities and his, his relationship to him. But he sent me, he said, he saw something a few months ago. It said, "New, some looking to run or something." And he asked me
he said, "Are you running?" I said, "I will never do it without you." Man, and he goes, "I don't want
“you to, or too young you need to spend time with us." And it's like, I literally have a screenshot”
of that. And I will never lose that. And so you're right. Those are the folks I'm at. I'm not going to screw that up. But why don't make this crystal clear? It's not because I'm not used to getting not, man. I mean, you started this, you know, with the Trump to arrangement frame and the California to arrangement frame. But, you know, turn on, I mean, Hannity, these guys have knew some to arrangement syndrome. All the guests, all right, this is it. This is an obsession,
and has been for years. And it's now dialed up. I mean, they look, I just absurd now. So this notion of getting, getting, getting, getting hit and getting hit hard. I mean, that, that was the book that I have on the side that I had never published. It was a lot of that. It was a recall and it was all these things. But if, but I, I get your point on split of the, but if one, but if one, one can't, but if that one, but if one kid or one spouse says, I don't want you to run,
is that it? Or you run in, in, in, in, in the face of their opposition. Yeah, I can run, I can run
“the face of their opposition, not then I'm, then I'm running away from every, all my truth and”
everything put on the book. Then I'm, then I'm, then I'm what those critics, the folks you're talking to. I need you to get a new friend group. Those critics are saying about me 24/7. So what would you say to all the people, including, I'll say Governor, some of your own advisors, who contact me and say, Mark, you look like an idiot when you say, Gavin Newsom might not run or won't run. What should I, what would you say to all those people? Yeah, just that they, they're wrong,
and they should be cautious about that. That said, look, you, you got to have, I said this a hundred times. It's the niche. You got to have a big enough wide to endure any how. You just described the how, how the hell you endure the slings and arrows. These guy look, I'm, these, they want to take me out, and you don't even know the half of it. You all think you know the half of it. Everybody, you're ready. You don't know the half of what these guys are doing. The Trump
ministers do it. You know what they're capable of doing. You know intuitive what they're doing. I have a better sense of what they actually are doing. This, this is zero sum for them.
“They want to flatten me. I get it. So it's not that, but you know what right now?”
The reason I'm leaning in is because I have a why, and it's burning, and I'm going to stand up, and I'm going to draw a line, and we drew lines literally here with Proposition 50. And I'm going to push back, and I'm going to push it, I'm going to hit this boolee back in the mouth. I don't like what's going on in this country. I don't period full stop. I'm not counting on it. And anyway, I don't like what's going on in private time Fox. I don't. I don't like
the racism. I don't like any of this. And so I'm going to call it out. If I feel that way, you sure as hell better know that I will run for president as it relates to the future of
this country. But you're right. That has to be backed up with the family first. And I will
not screw that up. So your answer is yes, they all have a veto. Every single one of those kids have a veto. Okay. You know, again, you're not a perfect person. And I can see some of the reasons people don't like you. Just like I can see reasons people don't like me. But, but you're just your understanding of the media, your understanding of how to combat Donald Trump, which tens of millions of people want someone to do excellently. And the fact that you could write a great
revealing honest book is is is super impressive. And and and I'll take a hit heat from a thousand thousands of people who listen to this. And I'll say you love new some of your rooting for new some no. I'm covering the campaign. But ladies and gentlemen, this is one of the most impressive books by a politician I've read. And it's somebody who has governed the state of California is a state perfect no. It's not perfect. It's not perfect. But of course, but ladies and gentlemen,
just be open to read in the book. Be open to understanding of a very significant person in America today. And be open to realizing that Gavin Newsom is flawed like all of us, but he's led already a super interesting life. And he's been willing to share it with us in the book. Governor,
thank you for being here. You know, when I was on book tour for my books, there was always like
20 things in the books. And I'd like no one ever asked me about that. So I'm going to pull a Tim Rosser and say, come back in a come back in a month. Tell your people you're coming back with helper in a month. And just tell me what you want to talk about. And you can tell the stuff from the book that no one ever asked you. How about that? I like this. I can interview my stuff on yours. Yeah, exactly. I'll just I'll just keep time. Gavin Newsom, young man in a hurry,
a memoir of discovery, ladies and gentlemen, it's you just buy it if you're interested in America, politics, family, or somebody doing something really hard, which is confronting parts of their past that either didn't know or never really thought about and certainly haven't shared before. Governor, thank you. grateful to you for making time. Great to be with you. Thanks, Mark.
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All right, so you listen to my conversation with Governor Newsom. I have a good relationship with them.
You can see that from the way we communicate with each other. I'm not a spokesman. A lot of you don't like Gavin Newsom. I get that. But this is an important guy here in the country. The book is going to give you insight into him. I hope the conversation did as well. Appreciate his making time for his staff making time for us. I want to talk to you a little bit
“about what I think about that. We've watched the reaction in the interview as bits of it have”
been posted in advance of this episode online. A lot of it's negative. Part of that is a lot of it reactions on acts and extends to at this point be more negative to people like Gavin Newsom. But this is the interplay here between his book presentation and how people feel about him and my doubts that in the end you'll definitely run for president. If he doesn't run for president, it takes the person who I believe is the front runner and in some ways the clear front
runner would be the nominee off the table. That would scramble this 2028 thing quite a bit. We've looked at some of the responses on social media to the early clips we posted. The earliest one we posted was this question about, "Can Gavin Newsom read?" Look, I don't think the guy, I'm sure some of you disagree with me. I don't think he's faking the notion that he's got dyslexia and dyslexia affects different people in different ways. But this question of his struggles
to read to me is kind of a heroic thing. Unless you just think he's lying about the whole thing. But the main reaction we saw in line, not 100%, but no question that the main reaction is people saying he's lying or saying his disability is so pronounced that it should disqualify. So here's one in the latter category. This is A1 from Johnny Red Dot. Again, these aren't prominent people, but the reactions on social media that are representative of what we've seen. He says,
"I think this," I mean, dyslexia, we qualify him from being president. He couldn't use teleprompter
or read national security documents, quick enough in emergency situations. Now, on first glance,
you might think that's just a partisan hit on him, but there's some truth to it, and I probably should have asked him about that. Maybe the next time we talk, I will. There's no doubt that it's admirable to struggle through a disability and get your job done, but president-night states,
“you need to be at the top of your game, right? If you've got some issues, so could they accommodate”
him to make decisions quickly? The way they have, and in the jobs he's had previously, the job he has now is Governor. They could, but there's certainly, I think, will be some voters who want to hear more of how it's going to work out. Now, other line of criticism was people thinking he's lying, that he can read, right? So that's a different. One point of view is he can't read quickly, so that disqualifies you. Here's another one, A2, from Murdoch, with pictures of new
some reading, looking down, reading a book in a normal way, not doing his underlining thing, or new some in reading a newspaper, and they say, "So, was this just posing, not a pen in sight?" I also, a reasonable question based on those photos. And that's an issue he's also going to have, I think, based on the reaction he's going to have to explain to people. It's not the same every time, right? There could be a picture of a reading a book. Maybe the book was already pre-underlined.
Maybe he's lancing at the newspaper, didn't need to read lots on it. You don't know. Here's another one, back to saying, "The guy can't be present," because he can't read. This is a three, please. This clown wants to be present. A guy who can't even read a book. Yeah, we're better than this America. New scum, popular nickname is a fool, and then another one
Along these lines.
like this. He acts like he's dumb to appeal to his voter base while stupidly disquietifying himself
for the position. He's running for, he's turning into Kamala 2.0. Again, folks, this is tells you a couple things. Three things, really, from this one episode that I've been on a highlight for you. One is, a lot of people reflexively don't like Gavin News. They just don't.
“He says he doesn't care about it, but if you want to be present, you need to get a lot of votes.”
You need to be in the friend-making business. A number two, people still have questions about
this question of his reading. Either he's telling the truth about his disability or does his disability disqualify him. Then number three, if his kids, as you heard in the interview and his wife, if they have some doubts to say the least about whether they'll run for president,
“this is just another episode where if I were them, I'd say, "Huh, do we really want to put”
our family through this to run?" If we run to win, when here's the guy sharing in his book and sharing with me the struggles that he's tried to overcome and has overcome to deal with his disability and then he's mocked. Here's one, again, this was not the majority view, but here's one, more favorable. A number a seven from Rick Go. Five W5V. Almost was my handle. Here's the human side of Gavin. Despite his dyslexia, he accomplished a lot by turning his weakness into a superpower.
Again, if this book was written, at least in part, to frame the Gavin Newsome story in a positive way,
“that's what he'd like people to come away with this book from. But again, just being honest,”
it's a lot of negative feelings towards Gavin Newsome and every time I interview him, every time I write about him, I hear from folks. It's going to be interesting to see. Again, grateful to the Governor for coming on and grateful to you for watching today's program. We'll be back on Thursday, a couple of days from now with another brand new episode. Have some great stuff lined up and we'll continue to, of course, cover the military situation
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