Rachael Leigh Cook

Her husband Mike was on his laptop.

“What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever?”

I said I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband.

Listen to betrayal season 5 on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the burden of guilt season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpride became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years until a confession changed everything.

I was a monster. Listen to burden of guilt season 2 on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

“The people was up with us, it's Quest Love.”

So, recently, I had the incredible opportunity to have a real conversation with actress and

producer Jamie Lee Curtis from routines to recovery, true lies, and a certain germane, jacks of music video, Jamie Seryll and Raw, and something I really admire about her. I am so happy that I'm the head-fucking charge at 67 that I have the perspective that I have at my age to really be able to put all of this into context. Listen to the Quest Love Show on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you

get your podcasts. Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than no grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the under-explored pockets of F1.

Including the story of the woman who last participated in a Formula One race weekend, the recent uptick in F1 romance novels, and plenty of mishab scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful, decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no grip on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton Nackard, in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor.

“But here's the thing, Bachelor fan's hated him.”

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[Music] [Music] It's time for another installment of Teen Beat with me, Danielle Fishle, the host of the 1998 ABC TGIF Premier Party featuring the musical stylings of InSync and an appearance from The Olson Twins.

But now, decades later, I sit down with interesting people to chat about their awkward and embarrassing memories from childhood, all in an attempt to learn more about their present selves. And I am the perfect host, because, like I say, I gave you my childhood, it's time we hear yours.

In this week, I'm joined by someone else who experienced the joy of puberty under the watchful eye of an international viewing audience. She began her time in the spotlight at just seven years old in a PSA for foster care, though not this one, a public service announcement would later become quite a big deal in her origin story.

But first, she transitioned into print modeling at age 10, all from the comfy confines

of her hometown, Minneapolis, Minnesota. And when she left behind those cold winters and juicy looses for Hollywood, that was the moment she became a 90s it girl. She made her screen debut in 1995's Baby Citter's Club, a who's who of cool girls from the era who bout me for the part.

But it was 1999's, she's all that, that forever cemented her as a first crush for an entire generation. And her starring role in 2001's Josie and the pussycats has outlived us all, a film that has grown from box office failure to cult classic. Now correctly repositioned as a feminist manifesto.

to move from just starring in a dizzying amount of hallmark movies like Audemn the Vineyard,

“Sisterhood Inc, and the recently released caught by love to also producing her own like-minded”

content like love guaranteed on Netflix and an upcoming cinematic reunion with Freddie Prince Jr. that I am currently sat for. I can tell you as someone who has now been in rooms with her for four different decades

in counting, she is always the coolest girl in the room.

But is it possible that underneath that cool is somehow some embarrassment from her formative years? Well, it's time to find out. Welcome to Team Beat, the one, the only, Rachel Lee Cook. Daddy, I'm official, that was the nicest intro I've ever gotten in my life.

I don't even care that it's not true, most of it. I'm not cool! You're so cool! You're so, oh my god, you've always been cool. Truly.

I'm like, I'm trying to be like hallmark cool. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I never felt cool, ever, I was such a little tri-hard to, like, I am everything. Really? Oh, you never came across that way, just so you know, we apparently cannot understand

how we are perceived by others because you did not seem like a tri-hard at all to me. You actually were the definition of effortlessly cool, so I mean, I can't even imagine you had one awkward moment as a teenager, but we are going to search and I hope to find anything. Let's start in Minnesota.

Okay. You were in no way a NEPO baby, your mom was a cooking instructor, and your dad was a stand-up comedian turned social worker. Yeah, it much heavier on the social worker for sure, but did you ever get to see your dad on stage?

I did. Luckily, really shined in very clean material, you know, even before, like, you know, the design felt as a household name and things like that.

There was my dad just bringing it basically with the dad jokes on stage.

It was pretty adorable. Oh, I love that. Yeah, and I know that my dad is one of the most beloved humans to this day, he's doing great. I get messages sometimes saying, like, hey, Mr. Cook, you don't really help me a lot when

I was in junior high and they all hope your dad's doing good as a social worker. Yes. The impact he made on people. That's so special. Yeah, he was a little senior high for a very long time, and yeah, living to my son.

Wow. So yeah, amazing guy. What was the question today? I'm just so happy to see you again, I'm excited to say it's so nice to be in the same room with you.

I mean, sometimes when parents are trying to make it in the industry and then don't, they're not necessarily super encouraging. Were your parents supportive of your dream?

“I think literally my dad is just someone who liked to laugh and make people laugh, and”

there was a comedy club, I think three blocks from my house. So I think it was a passionate subject of convenience. Okay. Yeah, I don't know, I don't think he was ever going to try and take it on the road. Right.

He wasn't going to try to be famous. No, no, no, no, no, but he also just loved comics and, you know, who isn't intrigued by that world. Yes. So I think he liked hanging with the people a little bit, and I think they found

my dad adorable and non-threatening, which he definitely is, even though very smart. Yeah. And I think that, you know, they sort of like having him as a friend, and he maintains some of those friendships with, you know, a couple of them. That's so cute.

And you have a younger brother, Ben, who's a producer? Yes. Did you ever meet Ben? I can't. I don't think I did.

Okay. I don't think I might. I know. I don't, I don't think so. All right.

We'll get around to that. Okay.

Were you guys always close growing up?

Not always. Okay. It was a weird thing for my brother, who's two and a half years younger than me, to sort of, all of a sudden, have his sister disappear for what he's told is going to be a couple month adventure, you know, doing this thing.

It's an amazing opportunity. He's going to make this movie.

“And I think he was like, well, mom's going to just leave me on 12 and it doesn't feel”

great, but like, okay, I understand that this is a special thing. Cool. And then I think before Ben kind of knew it, like, I had kind of hijacked my mom away from him, which isn't too cool this thing in the world. It's just great mom.

My dad's a great dad. Yeah. But Ben tells me about, you know, the odd day and just like, you know, sort of hot Minnesota summer afternoon where my dad just not knowing what to do or how to full-time dad or just not kind of store and be like, do you want soup or like, what do I do soup?

It seems like a thing I could feed you. Could he not be in? Right. So yeah.

fighting before I sort of fell into, you know, what became my career, right?

“But I think in a weird way, it was great for our friendship because when we were able”

to truly reunite and spend time together, we were almost legal adults. Yeah. So yeah. Now we're incredibly close. So that's a blessing.

Yeah. My brother and I have a little similar situation because, you know, I started on boy meets World at 12. He's four years younger than me. So around the time of eight, you know, my dad had a full-time job.

So my dad was always gone and my mom had to be on set with me, which meant we hired

a living housekeeper so that someone could be home to let my brother in after school. And then, you know, he'd only be home alone for a couple hours before my mom would come back and then I'd maybe drive back with writer or Ben. But still, similarly, my brother would be like, wait, what? So mom's just on set now with you and he was really young and he's eight.

And so yeah, that was that was hard. Or then, you know, going out to dinner for his birthday to Ruby's diner and then having a long line of people coming up and asking from my autograph. And he'd be like, I'd drive you people like you so much, you know, so just I know. But I know that that's, and it's hard because you're also just like, you know,

you're your special, you know, I'm sure that like he did he do that thing where he was like, well, maybe I should correct that. Absolutely. He did not like it. He did not like the audition process and you know, it's funny is that I feel like my brother,

“my brother booked a role in a movie once where he played, um, I think he didn't have any lines,”

but he was like a kid who is what running or playing in the street and then got hit by a car. Did you do a movie? I feel like he was a movie you were 11, 14. No, I think it had the word angel in it. My brother was an 18th angel.

Oh, was there a kid who gets hit by a car at the end? I think that was my brother. Get out. Yes, that's wild, but he didn't love acting. No, when did you guys, you know, hopefully like reconnected build a bridge?

We, it didn't really cause too many problems between my brother and I. It was just something that like I realized later, he dealt with that, you know, impacted his self-worth. And so those are things that now, as full grown adults, who are very capable of naval gazing, we have been able to look back and be like, that must have been so painful for you and, and for him to talk through some of that.

Yeah, so it's nice because I also can take responsibility for things that were in the past. But it's not my fault, you know, that feeling of like, I didn't do it on purpose, but it doesn't matter. Like, yeah, that's, that's so well said. And you have two kids.

I have two kids. And how conscious are we as parents of two of being like fair all the time? Yes, because it's so hard when one of them really strongly feels like you're favoring or love the other one more. It's like one of the worst feelings.

Yes, it is. And I, boy, I don't even give one of them a compliment about something without saying a compliment at the exact same time. For something different can totally be different. I want to highlight their differences.

I don't want them to feel like they have to be the same. But yeah, you know, when one of them does really great baseball and the other one's good at watching baseball without getting trouble, I'm like, Abler, what a game man. Your focus was on fire and keeping you or the best listener of any other kid I saw there.

“But like that is so, you know, whatever you have to come up with, just make them feel like not one of”

them's more popular than the other.

I know, I'm always like they're going to bust me on just balancing it out.

Now that they're older, you know what I mean? It's like, I got 100 on my tests. And I'm like, that's amazing, honey. And Theo, I know you said something funny today. You know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

But he's amazing, but it's just, you know, in any given moment, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah, it's just, it's very hard for sure. Now, in Minnesota, you did a ton of print work. You were on the box of milk bones. I think that's so cool.

Does it get any bigger than milk bones? Well, um, it does get you made fun of. I bet it did. Yeah, comments like which ones the dog and you know, there's that. It was a classic. Okay. But the people just in kind of know what to make of it.

Like, it's not like that kind of stuff, um, you know, it makes you think you're going to transition it into something like acting.

You know, it just sort of feels like there's always a point of reference.

Like for me, and I'm sure with you, too, there was like a girl in my school shout out Stephanie Watson, whoo, make help to me knowing that bigger things were possible for me.

And I was like, well, maybe if she could, I could. And then, you know, just sort of found other avenues to keep going. Jessica Weston is mine. Exactly. Yeah. So thank you. Thank you to them and Stephanie.

“Right. So yeah, I think it's not like I felt like I was, you know, this run-away success at print work.”

But it was the height of success that I could imagine was being in the target ads. Oh, I was just like, oh, those glossy pages when they would come in in the Sunday. Pay beautiful. And didn't you, like, look forward to them anyway. And now you're like, I'm in them. I think about three times. No more. Don't want to, like, right, seem like I have a big head about it. But yeah, that is so huge to me.

And I still have such a soft spot for target because, well, honestly, who doesn't. I mean, what month are you? What moms are age? You're not regularly thinking about the things they need to get from target at all times. And then you start looking toward Los Angeles. How did traveling to LA come together? And how long did you live at the Oakwoods? Okay. I can't, we were fully at the Oakwoods at the same time.

We swim in that pool. I remember who I don't remember who was living there. But I know we were both there. Me too. Is that what you mean? Totally. I was must have been visiting someone. Yes. I know you were there at least one time. I mean, I, I've been there a few times. Right or lived there, obviously. Yes, I'm sure that was it. Will lived there. We should live there.

Shane. You big quit us. Okay. So Shane was there. Yeah. Just a bill was there. Really? Yeah. She's amazing.

I did not live there. I was okay. So I still, after all of these years, Daniel, I've not gotten good at telling my, um, the origin story of like how I got to, you know, like survive in the industry. Okay. It's long. But basically, I was still with this print agency after it was sort of becoming a parent that I was going to keep working. Make it past five two. Okay. Great. Or not going to be a runaway mile model exactly. And I was looking for opportunities in the acting world that were not like musicals because I was

really aware that singing and dancing were not going to be like, my, okay. You were not a triple thrice barely a single stop. Was that we're not at home run territory. And so I just sort of was on the

“look out for that. And I think there was both an ad in the, I testified section of the paper,”

which again, we all sat around and read his family and shared it. Yep. For like, you know, young actors needed. My mom was like, these are a scam. Some of them were like John Casablanca's nonsense. Yeah. And some of them were like legit additions for local, you know, cool little movies. And we're being made. And I think it came through my agency, but it also might have been that. And I got a part in a short film.

That was shooting locally with an awesome team, shout out Peter C. Richardson. If we're my first role,

despite me having no idea how to act really. I just remember I came into the room. He was sitting on, you know, sort of a stool. And he read his lines in a very even tone. You know, I just seem very calm. And I was like, I should probably just do that. I'm just going to match that. And then somehow I just got cast of this movie. And then before I knew it, I had tape. And back in the day, the hardest thing was you couldn't get tape if you didn't have an agent. And you couldn't get

an agent if you didn't have tape. So before I knew it, I had broken through one of the hardest parts of like how to, yes. So there was a woman who was a manager who was scouting. She was new to being a manager. She had just come over from the record industry. So was establishing herself with a crop of new younger actors. She already represented at that point, some a kid who had been in Iron Will was shot in Minnesota. And funny enough, Brian Greasing is in that movie. His mom

worked with my dad in the school system. Wow. I know. And so she could like very smart. I, you know, for this woman Beverly strong. Yeah. Thank you, Beverly. Who saw some kind of potential in me as

did her other young client Vinnie Carthizer of Madman, fam and many other things, incredible talent.

“Love you crazy Vinnie. And he and she were like, I think this girl might have something, you know,”

like we, you know, see if we have some tape. He was sort of like her little confident. I almost feel like at that time. And I went out to LA and stayed with this manager with my parents blessing. And my spring break from school. And how old were you? I was 15. 15. Okay. She got me on a addition for the babysitter's club despite having very little experience. And many, many months later, I found out I got a part after auditioning for several different people in the movie. Wow.

What a leap of faith that paid off. Exactly. And that just, it just goes to show. It's not like

me, right? Like, how do I know if it's going to open? It's like I tried to doorhubbing open and like, yeah, we're still here. And I know. I know. I know. Oh my God. And it's, and so much of it is not just the opening of the doorways, but the risk versus reward of opening each doorway. You know, it's like for your parents and for you. It was like, okay, I do need people to vouch for these people, because I am sending my 15 year olds across the country. And, and so you go, well,

all right, other people have vouched for these people. So the risk feels less now and the reward seems great. But the, the amount of risk management you're doing with very little education 100% in the industry. Can you imagine doing that out with your kids? Like, I know. We have

“cell phones now. Like, I cannot imagine. No. Did you instigate your, like, you know, entry to acting?”

I did Jessica Weston was, you know, in the industry at had an agent was going to be a model. I was, my mom was like, you can't be a model. You're very short. And was like, right. So cute. Well, definitely, so are you. She was not comment. My mom was not trying to say I wasn't cute enough. She was just like, Danielle, my mom's 5 feet, even. And she was like, the hopes for you of like, I don't think she even knew print was a thing. It was just like, come on now.

You're not going to walk around way. We're not even going down. And so I went back and told Jessica, I can't do that because I'm too short. And she goes, oh, yeah, that's true. Damage Jessica. But she was like, you know what? You don't have to be told to be on TV. And my agents also going to put the on TV. And that's all I needed to know. And so for a year, I just kept begging and eventually my parents let me do it. That's a girl's girl right there. I love that.

Oh, yeah. She was like, yeah, don't let that stop you. Try something else. So baby setters club,

it's your first like real movie job. And if you didn't have friends in LA, because you

had only been there for the audition, I really did not. They basically cast you a dozen. Bre Blair, Skyler Fisk, Zelda Harris, Marla Sochaloff, Larissa Olinic, Vanessa Zeman, Natanya Ross. Some of these girls had been acting in Hollywood at this point for a decade. Yes, I remember Larissa seemed very fancy. Yeah, she was like, she had had lined her whole own show for many years. Like, that was wild to me. And Zelda, you know, being like the girlfriend,

Brooklyn, everyone knew that movie. Like, every new was was like this respected movie. Yeah,

“it was kind of intimidating for sure. What was it like for you as your first job?”

I think I told myself diminishing things about my role in things. Now, I was familiar with the books and a lot of us were of our generation. But I was like, well, Skyler's the lead. And nobody really wants to be Marianne. I'm just sort of like here because probably it was just sort of like low key that easier part to get. I was probably telling myself, you know, things to sort of like undercut the the win to not be intimidated by the moment. But it was also just so surreal that

when you sort of get those first opportunities or even the ones that sort of surprise you, you sort of have to compartmentalize it over here. Like, I'm not really sure that this is real, so I'm not going to take it all in at the moment. Yes. So it was kind of like, if that makes any sense. But yeah, I did think of friends while I was there and yeah, I got delivered some and I was probably

“at the time, you know, closest with while we were filming filming, Trisha Joe and Larissa and”

Bri, I feel like Skyler had to do more schools. We didn't see as much of her so she and I became friends almost in the after. But yeah, I wish that we had been able to sort of like keep in touch and keep that going because even though I got to be a part of that movie, which was so much about female

friendship and the power of it. And then years later to make Josie and make incredible friends out

of that, it's as you know, heart is held. So like to keep in touch and touch, keep people in your life. And what followed those movies about amazing friendships were really lonely times. I'm sure you, you know, experience that as well. You have this life that people think that they want and you're like, yeah, I don't think you really know what's going on. Yes, yes, for sure. And and friends in the industry versus friends outside the industry for me, I had the benefit of living I was from here. Right.

So I didn't, friendships within the industry where you meet on a set and you love each other and you have a great time working together. Those are harder to maintain. Yes. Because everyone goes on to the next set. Now, there's new relationships they have to make and they're preoccupied

with everything else that goes on. But I always went back to my high school. I always, so I had the

supportive and they're still my best friends today. And so I at least had that when your friends

“are all in Minnesota and now you're in LA, which is not notorious for being of great place to”

meet people. It can be really difficult, especially as a teenager. Difficult. Yeah. I mean, like, I, when I started, it was at this transition from, you know, eighth grade into the probably the biggest high school in Minneapolis. My graduating class was close to 1200. Wow. So it was like, I was, I had just sort of been plunged into the sea. I was there barely a full year before everything started. Okay. And so it was a time of great transition wherever I was going. But who are we going to be friends

with a high school? Yeah. You know what I mean? That, which is normal. And I didn't feel like a bandender

anything like that. But it was hard to talk about, you know, the, the lock that had come my way

and the fascinating opportunities that had come my way while being myself, the way I was raised, which has been a certain to the core, like just keep, keep it down. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like be chill, be grateful to talk about. Yeah. And people are curious, you know, right here. So it's, it just became confusing what was my nature to not want to talk about it and what was also just what was sort of understood. We've talked about it on Padme's world before that feeling of like

and the very reality of friends wanting to know more, kids wanting to know more. But also, if you talk about it, then you're bragging. So it's a real catch 22 where you get it. Yeah. You kick, there's no real win. It's like if I talk about it, oh, she thinks she's so fun. And if you don't talk about it, she's too cool. There's no real win. Exactly. Yeah. I'm glad that I mean, like I'm sorry to make you like cover ground. You've covered on your nervous other projects.

“But I remember the, when I saw you, you know, 10 years ago randomly, I think when we were”

out at Bobby Kim's. Yeah. So fun. And I was just like 10 now. I was just so excited to see you because again, when you're like, I didn't have the, you sort of had a, have hazard high school experience. But my sort of absence of one made me create like this belief that people like you did go to high school with me. Oh, yes. You don't know this. But that's how I was in school. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. It's like, well, I mean, I mean, I just described 90s con as being a high school reunion.

It is our reunion. Yes. Exactly. And very much forward to going away. Yes. It's, it's fantastic. It's such a warm and fun place to run into the people you may have only met a handful of times. Or sometimes there are people you think of as being my, like, those, that's my friend. I know that person for, you know, and, and then you haven't maybe talked or seen each other in a few years. It's, it's really incredible. You guys did do a babysitter's reunion in 2018, right? Yes. We did.

It was so wild. A lot of us had very, very young kids at the time. And yeah, we met up and let's say Austin. Yeah. And watch the movie there. And they made the mistake of giving us a really strong margaritas before the movie. And so the gorgeous genius idea. The rest of them about to sell you

out hard right now because I've never laughed harder than we start watching the movie. And Peter

Horton comes on a new place, Christy's father. And we realized now is full grown woman, women, that like, this guy's hot. Yeah. Like, we were like, what? Wait a minute. And Christy goes, oh, yeah, Christy's dad. Like, she was the reason you're not wrong. Not right. Oh, you've been seen for sure. And then comes Tom and Huck. I mean, you play Becky Fathcher. You are clearly only interested in

“huge projects. Did you, were you just Rachel Lee Cook offer only walkbusters at this point?”

Foley auditioned for that. And I maintained that I got that movie because I just don't other movies. I feel like I, like, if I watch my early work, I'm like, oh, it looks like you plucked someone off the street. Where's like, can you speak English? And I was like, I can't see. And then I just threw me out there. I barely know what the stakes of any given scene are. It's just so, I feel like I don't look even look like I know what I'm doing. Well, but to be fair, how could

you, you hadn't studied the craft, not in a very real way. I went to what a couple acting exactly. I'm saying you're learning it. You're in the process of learning it. And yet you were given the opportunities for a reason. Don't don't take it away from yourself. You were given

looking for. And they knew that you were capable. I mean, these movies are classics for a reason.

“You being one of them. I so appreciate that. And yeah, I, I'm so jealous of like all the,”

like granted, you had to learn on the job as well. Yeah, I just started off with the band and you just like put in so many hours. And you know, I feel like people who had your job. I felt like you guys were like the real actors. That's so funny. And all we felt was that you were the real actors. Truly, we looked at what we were doing as being like, just nobody takes us seriously. It's so what we're doing is for kids, kids TV. You knew what your next job was. And I thought

that was amazing. Well, yes, there was some version of jobs. The very least we knew we had 22 episodes

this season. We never really knew it was going to come next season. But at least we would know

whether we were picked up for 13 or 22. It wasn't, you know, three months at a time. And then what comes next, which is a real terrifying feeling, even if you're a teen. Exactly. Yeah. It is. You're really good. What's on the dock at next? Yes. You guys probably were thinking, like, are we renewed all of the time? Yeah. But to the rest of us, it was just like, oh my god, when we were just shows going to be on forever and ever. And I remember saying to writer,

guys, like, oh, you know, like, I just wanted to do movies. Because I couldn't believe the page count and how fast everything was happening. I was like, I don't know how they're doing this. I'm not capable. Really? And yeah, you can get all of this being like, I'm going to pass

“this off as like, I don't want to do TV. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. I would definitely was intimidated”

by what I knew you guys were turning in all the time and fast. Yeah. It is it is fast. I mean, then now I hear like about, you know, what it's like to be on a soap opera. Or what now what you do

with hallmark movies. That is, it is order line, irresponsible. We fast. We always make it happen.

I know. But like, have you done? I've never done one. No, I've never done one. But but you guys do it. I don't even know if it's like 14 days. It is. We get 15. Okay. Great. That's true. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. It's a huge difference. It's still crazy fast. They just know how to make it happen. We have a lot of multi-purpose locations. Okay. And we could do a whole separate thing about this and maybe we'll get to make one together. Oh, wouldn't that be so fun? I know.

I would. I would truly love that. I was so worried. In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband Mike was on his laptop. I was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing and immediately the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. So keep this secret for so many years. He's like a seasoned pro.

This is a story about the end of a marriage. But it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're dangerous person who prays on vulnerable and trusting people. You're trying to make a love and good. Listen to the trail season five on the iHeart Radio app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton Nackard and in 2022 I was the lead

of ABC's the bachelor. Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. He became the first bachelor

to ever have his final rose rejected. The internet turned on him. If I could press a button and

“rewind it all I would. But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines?”

It began as a one night stand and ended in a courtroom with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal. The media is here. This case has gone viral. The dating contract. Agreed to date me, but I'm also suing you. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. This season an epic battle of he said she said and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. I'm done nothing to get pregnant by the

rat slur. Listen to Love Trapped on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the burden of guilt season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpride became the victim

Germain Hudson as the perpetrator. Germain was sentenced to 99 years. And like Laura, this can't be real.

I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years only two people knew the truth. Until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to burden of guilt season two on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

“Why hasn't a woman formally participated in a Formula One race weekend in over a decade?”

Think about how many skills they have to develop at such a young age? What can we learn from all of the new F1 romance novels suddenly popping up every year? He's still smelled of podium champagne and expensive friction. And how did a 2023 event called Waga Getting change the paddock forever? That day is just seared into my memory. I'm culture writer and F1 expert Lily Herman. And these are just a

few of the questions I'm tackling on no grip. A Formula One culture podcast that dives into the under explored pockets of the sport. In each episode a different guest and I will go deeper into the wacky mishaps scandals and sagas, both on the track and far away from it, that have made F1 a delightful, decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no grip on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. The people was set with seven. It's Quest Love.

So recently I had the incredible opportunity to have a real conversation with actors and producer Jamie Lee Curtis ahead of the release of our new thriller series Scarpetta.

I can honestly say I've never done an interview like that before, you know, at one point I

set my laptop down and we just started chatting as old friends, recent Oscar recipient. So we have some commonality there. I predict that by the way. And you said these words to me, dust off your mantle. Yes. And I looked at you and I said what? And you said dust off your mantle. And then I left

“and that was it. And then when all of that happened, I remember the next morning. I think I wanted”

to like write you and go, how did you know? Listen to the Quest Love Show on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, so back to Tom and Hock. I mean, obviously this is based on Mark Twain. It stars the biggest young stars of the time, Jonathan Taylor Thomas and one of my other favorites, Brad Renfro. Yeah. And now a few months earlier,

you were in Minnesota, basically, just most likely watching my community on home improvement. And

now you're co-starring with him. What was that like for you? I'm so relieved that I hadn't seen home. Okay. Yeah. So my parents bless them. Love you mom and dad, your snobs. They just, yeah, they didn't want to watch the grunting guy. Yeah. It's a delightful show. It sure is. I know.

“I know now. So luckily, I didn't have the the mania and when you're, you know, I was 15 and I think”

he was like 12 and a half. Oh my gosh. Which seems weird when you're 15. Totally. And I was going to say how long did it take for you to develop a crush on him. But now that I hear that. I'm not trying to get you to like absolutely not this is a child. And I am a woman. Because I remember I was I was in my mind. I was in full blown woman at 15. Completely. And someone 12 was like, yeah, I mean, so you might have been 13 and Brad was like 12. But Brad somehow had the soul. I know.

Get into about the 60 to 70 year old man. You're a touring jazz musician. Exactly. Like I can't even. Yeah, just wild. The age of the soul on that human. Yes. And some ways when people like, can you believe it? I'm like in some ways. Yeah. Yeah. In some ways, because he did live a lot longer in those years than the rest of us. You know, who, what was that movie like for you in your downtime? Did you hang out with that? I mean, they were younger than you. But did you, what did you do?

I would have welcomed a friendship with Jonathan. He was very funny in a kind of under way. Yes. And I'll be smart. And you remember the connection between him and David and Wesley. You're said, yeah, from back in the day. We're all so connected. You guys. Yes. We are so connected. So yes, David being my set teacher on that movie is what introduced me to writer

as his mom was there. And they were just sort of like doing family time when it wasn't working.

It was. Yeah. So Brad and I, Brad was unsupervised to put it, my, his he was there with his grandmother, Joanne, who was, was just kind of like, Marad, Marad, where? Oh, didn't, where didn't know where you were, Brad. He'd be like, Ron. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. Shut up. Yeah. He just did his own thing. What he wanted. He was still get my head around. Right. To, to this day. And we would go and hang out at like the waffle house and I love a waffle house. Exactly.

Kick around Huntsville, Alabama, which is crazy to me. Yeah. So an experience. It really was. It was a really awesome experience. I hadn't been back there since until about two years ago. And yeah, I brought back a lot of memories. But yeah, I still don't understand how I got that opportunity. Like, from going from being able to be Marianne Speer, who was, you know, that was my favorite book series when I was a kid. Yeah. To Becky Thatcher, who, you know, I had read time story in school,

“a lot of us did to be like, wait a minute. How is this? How? How? How do have I gotten this lucky?”

Yeah, I mean, especially when you have appreciated the work in your personal life to then be like, and now that's, I decide I want to be an actor. These are the roles I get to play. Like, that's,

it was a great feeling. Well, it was totally amazing. And I want to say that I was just utterly in love

with, like, the craft and acting. And I was because I also just wanted to find out if I was good anything. I was one of those kids who was like, not at the top of my class and school did fine. Yeah. But like, not sporty. Don't have me catch ball, like, eggs. Like, not. So when it was just, like, oh, you can do this. Right. It's like how we've all wondered if we're secretly good at something they could get us into the Olympics or like, am I good at singing? Maybe I'll just sing a little bit

when you're young and someone will be like, here I'm hazing at this and I know what he does. And you know, so when it was like, I felt like I found a superpower. Yes. It was kind of incredible. But I was also not super popular. I was like a little bit shy and 100% awkward. I'll do it with get there. So sometimes I wonder if I was just trying to jump being, you know, I was like, I don't think I'm going to be school popular. What if I can just be like life popular? Right. Right.

“What if I could be recognizable and that will feel like popularity? That's not. I mean, honestly,”

really smart. I don't know. P.S. It didn't work. Okay. But in retrospect, it does feel like I got what I was trying for. Yeah. Just kind of weird. When does the frying pan commercial happen? That, uh, my goodness. That was I think early 1999. Okay. So for those of my listeners who are a little too young, Rachel started in an iconic PSA taking the classic, this is your brain on drug commercials from the 80s and remixing it a bit. Indeed. Rather than the monotone voice

used in the original, you not only showed us the egg, you violently smashed the frying pan all over the kitchen, creating an aggressive destruction and talking about how heroin in particular would take ruin our families and our friends forever. This ad created a frenzy around you and your hair

“also might be the cutest cut ever depicted on film. So did everything in your life change after that?”

I was trying to have Natalie and Brulia's hair. So that's probably where the Batman's role was. Oh, God. I don't ever got there, but I tried. Um, so that's where that was. I feel like that PSA did more for me than all the movies that I had. It just, you know, she's someone in a grainy black and white and let them break some shit and you're off to the races. So, you know, it gave me, I think, a little bit of, you know, oh, hey, she can do this

more dramatic. Yeah, stuff. And then she's got gravitas. It was just black and white. You know,

I don't always. I was trying my best. But yeah, for something that paid zero dollars, you know,

that was just an initiative by partnership for drug free America. Um, and the whole war on drugs thing did not work down. We're not, didn't, not, not great, but specifically heroin like you said, not a controversial take. Correct. Heroine's still bad. Heroine's not good. I said what I said. Yeah, I, yeah, if you want, take me to task. I'm just not a fan. Did you then after doing that, if you did ever try a drug, did you have extra guilt? Because like, I did. Yeah, but okay,

why not? It's not for me. They're, but I want to know why for you. Bad news. Do my feet

“are not attached to my legs anymore. So I don't know how I'm going to get it. Like, because I think”

if you talk to those things. Yeah. Yeah. So don't know what we're going to do about it. But they're not anywhere. Yeah. It's just like, apparently so. Okay. I mean, they're still there. They're, they're there. They are there. I mean, like, okay, knock on what. No, I was just like, this is, uh, yeah, I don't know if this is for me. Um, yeah, I can't. I'm so lucky. I'm a chatty Kathy. Like, you know, obviously there's different types. You can have this chill type. I was

not having like two once at, yeah, uh, Seth Green. I was watching people do a puzzle. And I fell asleep. And there was no judgment because they're awesome. Yeah, they were like, you gave it to you. We can't judge. Yeah, it was not for me. But did I feel bad because I was though this is your brand on drug scroll. Sorry, but no, okay. No, no, I didn't. No, you did not. You did not. Okay. It's just, just curious that I've ever popped into your head. How many cakes did you shoot of that? Was it,

like, I feel like you must have just gone wild for like three hours, but I don't know. Not a ton. Okay. So you have to be like wearing safety glasses and all kinds of like not that cool stuff for you trying to act all badass. Yeah, it's pretty heavy. So it's hard to control. Was it cast iron? It really was. I mean, why did that need to be cast ironed? It's black and white. They couldn't give you a non-sticks is why you're a director. If the girl look helpful on, please. Okay.

So yeah, not a ton. Not if that was another like room full of model situation walked in there and I was just like hardened because it was C. K. One era. Right. I was just like, I meant, I think I'm in a

“try. Yeah, but I remember that I did. I remember I like booted over the card table at the end.”

You're just supposed to like hit the plastic plates and the picture and things like that. I like got into it. You took it an extra. That's that's what made you stand out. Those are the things. Those are the things that people will try, right? Yeah, that's those are the things that people go. Oh, and then she did something. No one else thought to do. And now guess what? You could be, you don't have to be first or last. You're still going to be salient right in the middle.

Kicked over the cart. Thank you. Yep. What do you remember about your boy meets role edition? The first one where I didn't even get a callback. Did no. Yeah, I didn't even get. I didn't get. I'm sorry.

I never just heard this before. I need to hear it. Yeah, I didn't have what meets role. They booked

someone else. What? But then I had another audition to play a part we have jokingly referred to as

“fish girl because she pulled fish skeleton out of a jar of something in a class. And I got that”

role. It only had two lines. And then I saw the girl they cast as Dupanga and we were in the same episode that she did the first day and at the end of the day they fired her. And then they were like, "Well, we could do a full recasting or we could bring in these two girls that are playing the fish girls." Me and Marla Sokolov. And we both auditioned and then they called this later that night and said Danielle got the role show up on Monday as Dupanga in the rest of the story. That girl's mom had

to be like, they were pleased to be with fish. Yeah. Damn it. Wow. Crazy. Crazy story. I hope that she's like out carrying major diseases right now or not wasting time in our nonsense industry. She is wonderful and feeds my family. Correct. And we love it. She is actually still in the industry. She is a contortionist. And she is part of a very famous family. They do like, you know, she's on billboards for when the circus comes to town. And yeah, she her name's Bonnie Morgan.

We interviewed her on Padme's World. And it was very healing for both of us because, you know,

those, you never usually talk to the people, you know, you replace. Yeah. And so I got to hear from her

perspective what that must have been like and got to just flat out ask her if every single year for the next seven years when Boy Meets World was popular and Cori and Tupanga were a thing if it was hard for her. And of course it was. But, you know, those are the kinds of like healing conversations we get to have now as it all so true. That's so beautifully. Yeah. It was it was really nice. Yeah. And the things that wouldn't be the way that they are, you know, who knows who her partner is.

Now, you know, if she has kids now, the number of, yeah, the butterfly effect is a one. Absolutely. In the middle of the night, Saskia woke in a haze. Her husband Mike was on his laptop. I was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing and immediately the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home.

This is a story about the end of a marriage. But it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're dangerous person who prays un vulnerable and trusting people. You're trying to make a love and good. Listen to betrayal season five on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton Nackard and in 2022, I was the lead

of ABC's the bachelor. Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. He became the first bachelor

to ever have his final rose rejected. The internet turned on him. If I could press a button and

“rewind it all I would. But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines?”

It began as a one night stand and ended in a courtroom with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal. The media is here. This case has gone viral. The dating contract. Agreed to date me, but I'm also suing you. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. This season an epic battle of he said she said

and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. I'm done nothing to get pregnant by the

rat slur. Listen to Love Trapped on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the burden of guilt season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpride became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Germain Hudson as the perpetrator. Germain was sentenced to 99 years. And like Laura, this can't be real.

I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years only two people knew the truth until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to burden of guilt season two on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

“Why hasn't a woman formally participated in a Formula One race weekend in over a decade?”

Think about how many skills they have to develop at such a young age? What can we learn from all of the new F1 romance novels suddenly popping up every year? He's still smelled of podium champagne and expensive friction. And how did a 2023 event called Waga Getting change the paddock forever? That day is just seared into my memory. I'm a culture writer and F1 expert Lily Herman, and these are just a few

of the questions I'm tackling on no grip. A Formula One culture podcast that dives into the under explored pockets of the sport. In each episode a different guest and I will go deeper into the wacky mishaps scandals and sagas, both on the track and far away from it, that have made F1 a delightful, decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no grip on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. The people with soap was up, it's Questlove.

So recently I had the incredible opportunity to have a real conversation with actors and producer Jamie Lee Curtis ahead of the release of our new thriller series "Scarpetta".

I can honestly say I've never done an interview like that before, you know, at one point I

set my laptop down and we just started chatting as old friends, recent Oscar recipient. So we have some commonality there. I predict that by the way. And you said these words to me, dust off your mental. Yes. And I looked at you and I said what? And you said dust off your mental. And then I left

“and that was it. And then when all of that happened, I remember the next morning I think I wanted”

to like write you and go, how did you know? Listen to the Questlove soap on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, so now a little over a year later, she's all that comes out. You play Laney Boggs and you end up in a classic still considered a tent pole for teen rom-coms. Did this movie feel special when you were making it? I felt really

Did I think I was going to see it now, really? Because I had done smaller movies than it, I wasn't aware of the scale of it until it sort of started and it felt bigger, so there's more trucks here. That seems like different. But the budget on this has gone up. But you don't get these things into a count really when you're a kid. You're like the immediate crew on set was about the same number as any given time movie I had done. Yeah. I did movie in Montana that was probably a

quarter of a million dollar budget. And you know, in some ways it didn't feel that different to me. So what's the craft service different in retrospect? Yeah, okay, you just didn't necessarily

pay attention to that. Exactly. Because that's always how you can tell. If there are too many

bags of cheeses at craft service and not a whole lot of I can usually tell. You're a hundred. This budget's not great. But if there's fresh food, we are talking real money here. You know yourself. Yeah, you know, you've been around. You see things. So yeah, I do that was good. But did I know people were going to see it? Not necessarily. I knew that I liked teen, you know, like lead movies like John Hughes movies were like my and all be all when I was

young. Like Molly Ringwald. And so I knew that it was something that I kind of would have liked. And I was very similar to character at that time in my life, which I know just sort of like helped.

“I think I was really busy thinking I was, you know, smarter than I was and acting like it.”

And pretending to have read and liked books that I did in just teenage years. Yeah, yeah, it's the description of the teenager for sure. Exactly. And so I think that where that movie played it incredibly smart is that the wave of teen movies like varsity blues and this and that

they were coming. But we were just first. Yeah. So that was just smart. I remember they

hearing that they were really rushing folks to just like get it out because yeah, they're max new. And like babysitter's club or even Tom and Huck, you are once again, you were surrounded by superstars in your age bracket. Listen to this murderous row, Freddie Prince Jr, Matthew Lillard, Paul Walker, Anna Pacquan, Kieran Kulkin, Gabrielle Union, Dual Hill, Tamramelo, Clea Duval, Alexis Arquette, and then also usher and Lil Kim. It makes no sense. This had to be fun, though.

So much fun. Yeah. Okay. I really, why is this now going to seem like a sub story about me being like, but I didn't have any friends. I thought that you didn't. So it was like a painful. No, well, okay, well, while I was making she's all that, I was busy dating someone who was in retrospect too old for me. Okay, I was with it. That's a right of passage. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, sure. So that's sort of what I was up to and I didn't feel like I felt like all of the

rest of the cast on how new each other a little bit already, like Freddie and Delay knew each other and pretty sure already. And Tamra just was this like talk about ultimate cool girl. And I've since like I literally checked her down where I found it. We had a mutual friend and I was like, I would like to be friends. We do like to be friends and now we are. Oh, yeah. But at the time,

“I remember, you know, like having a good rapport with everybody, but because of the fact,”

especially that we were not on location, everybody went home. They went home. It was not like, what are you guys doing this weekend? So even though I walked away from that with a million fun memories and had a great experience, I didn't see a lot of everybody. I saw Gabrielle some

white because we had the same management company. Okay. Always been amazing. Yeah. And I was lucky

enough to work with Delay again on psych for a while. And I love him. He's so special. And Freddie and I are looking for you night and gotten touch again after Paul passed. But yeah, God, we've been alive for a minute. I know when we talk about it all spaced out. You're like, yep, there was that era of my life. There's this. Yeah. Yeah. And thank you for like being a documentary and all of this. You're kind of like our class president. Thank you. I caution you know what? I accept that role proudly. Thank

you. I do appreciate it. Looking back at that whirlwind. What memories stick out the most from that whole period, that whole she's all that period of your life? Like, is it when it comes out? Is it a premiere? Is it filming it? Like, is there a moment that you're like, that's the most salient for me from that time? Whatever you look back that far, it's like a couple little, you know,

“facial peaks out of the ocean if you just had to remember a couple. I remember we were shooting the”

prom scene. I did not know it was going to be a very full graphic number. No, it tells you about the production plans when your 18s was like, what are you? We're sure. Yeah. Okay. This is wonderful.

they were going to try to teach me a couple of moves and that didn't go good. So I made up some nonsense about my character. I wouldn't know the dance and I'm not really in that sequence. Oh my gosh, that's great. You're like, you know what? This is a character choice for me? Yeah, I love that. I love that power for you. But you were like, I'm just going to take this in artistic choice. Exactly. They will respect it more than me saying, I can't. Yes. And so we're going to go with that. There's

three seconds of me like sort of like flailing, doing what looks like the monkey and that is

it. It's pretty embarrassing. Um, and is also why I probably never done dancing with the stars.

“I'm also not as brave as you. But you should. Ah, it's incredible. Here's my plan for dancing with the stars.”

Okay. We'll ever be so kind as to invite me. Yes. I have a wait till I'm a cool 63 65 and people say the phrase, she's still got it. I like that. Because right now, I feel like that would be rude to say. Some of them. That's all right. That's my plan. Okay. So what's a tool for you? I'm still got it. I will tell you, though, that if you, if you do it at 63, having doing it to become significantly harder, I already at 44 doing it was like, wow, I can see the difference between. Yes. Now that I really,

now understand to be fully related to the medication that I'm on from for cancer was not, I don't think that would happen to, to ignore, if I were not taking that medication, I think there, I was, that problem was exacerbated by that medication. But the difference between the beautiful 25 year old Alex Earl and the ease with which her body moves compared to the 44 year old, it, it only gets harder. You know, it just becomes harder. Yep. And if you don't

have dance experience, I do not, which I did not either, well, then good luck. So what I would say is do it in your 60s when you've still got it, but start dance now. Let's spend the next 20 years having dance experience. Yes, having dance experience. And then when you come out, it's 60,

“they're going to be like, oh, you will blow every one away, but you have to start now. So”

start that rehearsal process now, get 20 years. Yeah, yeah, I'm not the person, but I think we know some people who can help you. Okay. That's very good advice. I have been reading some of my real teenage diary entries on Pod Meets World and some of them are from when you were dating writer and I very clearly had a crush on him, but I also liked you so much that I couldn't be mean about you in my diary. So I have a lot of entry things that are like,

how that with writer and Rachel today, so cool. I'm not sure she really understands him, though, or things like, seems like writer maybe didn't talk to Rachel on the phone today. I wonder if they're on the rocks? Oh my god. Do you remember ever feeling like I was there trying to be happy for you, but also possibly saving inside? I just felt like you were so busy with your grown-up job, and you're just so like beautiful and effervescent and everybody loved you. And like, the hair

come on. Come on. Thank you. No, I remember here what, like, you've opened up your diary to me.

I will open up my memory diary to you. Thank you. Here's what I can, here's what I can give young

Danielle. Writer and I were, first of all, I probably did not understand him. All of the ways that you did. He's the most romantic, like, beautiful, like, very beautiful yourself. To deep, like, just like, I'm struck. I'm like the image of like the front of the Titanic. Just like, you know. He's such a beautiful. I'm not doing good words for this, but you know exactly what I'm saying. I know what you mean. Yes. Writer's the most poetic soul we've ever met. Yes. And I remember this moment,

he had come to visit me in Italy, and there was this like field of sunflowers on the way to where

“we're going. And he tells the driver staff the car. And he looks at me. What's out of the hand?”

And I'm like, oh, no, no, what are we doing? We have to run into this, we have to go get through these flyers, like, really, like, by the, he's looking for his like a movie. And I knew in that moment,

that I was just like, I'm not, I'm not the person. What he's like, ultimately going to need.

And I tried and we got a little way into that field. When I was just like, I don't, I don't know about this, but the thing that I can definitely give to young Danielle is that even though we were each others first, a lot of things. I remember he, he one time made the, I feel that sharing

accepting and loving to his younger self. I remember one time, he said to me, like, if you weren't with me, you know, who would you want to be with? And I realized in retrospect that he was probably thinking, I'd be like, oh, I don't know. James, see if he was still alive or something like that. But instead, I say the name of my ex-boyfriend. And he takes it on the chin. And I was like, I realized that I've probably answered wrong. And then I said, well, what about you? He goes, Danielle,

“what? I don't know. The presses. I think I didn't remember.”

Yeah. So then did you not like me after that? No, of course, I was telling you. Well, not now. I mean, now I'm sure, I'm sure it's fine. But at the time, were you like,

I remember directly trying to figure out if I was in trouble first, because I was just like,

real, um, which I was not expecting. No. No. But yeah. Oh, that's so funny. I don't know that he remembers that, because when I told him on Padme, it's world that I had a crush on him. It was like, what? And he did not in any way, she did that day, that he had, no, maybe I was just the last person whose name he had seen. And if you think writers ever not thought about something, I know, that's true. Come on. Oh, I can't wait to talk to him about it. It's true. This is, this is game changing for me.

As, yeah, that happened. Did you mostly then date other actors back then? Because it, where who else were you meeting? Yeah. Yeah. I know we're in the same boat on this. We talked about this. It did our Kansas City, what five years ago. Yes, we sure did. Um, yeah. It's hard. You know, you want to think that you're going to have with other people, but especially when you're young and you're doing something that feels kind of, I don't know, like, just hide. You don't,

you don't want someone who's kind of like, other you. Yep, a little bit. Yeah. Um, not that it's like, not the, again, not that you're convinced that you're special because you're just like, I don't have a job next week. Like, I'm this is all going to fall apart. But at the same time, you don't want to feel like you're with someone who might be with you for the wrong reasons. Uh-huh. And if someone's even two, just like, real life awesome, you're like, but I'm not real life awesome.

So you just end up with other actors. Yeah. You know, I, yeah, I did a lot of fishing off the company

“here. Yeah. I also remember that you got to live out the dream of everyone who was on Boy Meets”

World and you were on Dawson's Creek. Yep. And with the recent loss of James Fanderbeek, and everyone has been talking about what an amazing coworker and friend he was. Do you have good memories from that set? I so do. Yeah. I so do. I, um, I, I get so in my own head when I, that was my first time guest starring. And, um, I don't want to get a girl, but if they didn't not ask me, uh, she was crazy. I feel like they must have thought that you would not have done it.

Probably if I had said that stuff to write or write the writer was like, he was probably like,

no, she would never, or maybe go manage her. Maybe. Yeah. Okay. But anyway, um, yeah, Dawson's,

I, they were such a tight-knit group. And it's a little bit scary. I don't know if you've done much guessing, but when you go in, and everybody knows you tell you really well. And it's a terrifying established, like, how you, you know, do the dance and sing this song. And they're also loose in their bodies. Well, they all seem amazing and acting. You just feel like you're bad at acting all of a sudden. Yeah. That was, you know, the sort of initial experience. But I wasn't like out of

practice. I feel like I fell into a groove with, with the work. And they were all great to work with. James especially, um, what was weird about that experience is that, first of all, I was, uh, I, of course, what I've said. Yes, but I was told I was doing that by Miramax, they said it's,

we've gotten you an arc on the show. Oh, you're going to come out the same weekend, basically,

or the weekend, the weeks before she's all that. It was all very strategic, because I didn't

“audition for it. Yeah. And so, all right. And so that's how that went. But when I got there,”

I remember they made some changes to the character that was not what I had initially read. And that's how TV works. Yeah. I understand now. But it turned into like a kind of lightly humiliating part where my character was like obsessed with Katie Holmes character. So I was just like being like weird and small and creepy and like taking notes on who she was, because I was an actress playing the part of her and it moved me that he was making. Okay. And she had all these great

sick burns. Like, there's this one part where she says to doesn't she's too short. I know it's so good. Do it. And I am fine. Um, just what it is. Yeah. And I was just like, I took that note that this

But that is, you're right. What a difference between movie. In movies, you usually, you like fully

understand the character. Yep. And it's not usually completely rewritten because then the movie entirely changes. Whereas TV especially for a guest star, you could be agreed to be one thing in two days later. Oh, not only is the person playing you different. The whole character is a different thing. Totally. So yeah, that is a little shocking to have come from the movies you've done. And then be like, I still have to do it. Oh, I don't do I get disabled care. I don't like it.

So many ziggers. Yeah. Um, but it was still fun. Like, after you sort of learned to after I learned to embrace it

“a little bit more, um, I think got more and more fun.”

In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband Mike was on his laptop. I was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. So keep this secret for so many years. He's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage. But it's also the story of one woman who was done

living in the dark. Your dangerous person who creates an vulnerable, trusting people. You're trying to make a love and good. Listen to betrayal season five on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton Eckard, and in 2022, I was the lead

of ABC's The Bachelor. Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. He became the first

bachelor to ever have his final rose rejected. The internet turned on him. If I could press a button

“and rewind it all, I would. But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines?”

It began as a one night stand and ended in a courtroom with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal. The media is here. This case has gone viral. The dating contract. Agreed to date me, but I'm also suing you. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. This season, an epic battle of He said She said, and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. I'm done nothing to get pregnant by the

**** Brassler. Listen to Love Trapped on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the burden of guilt season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpride became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Termine Hudson as the perpetrator. Termine was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, "Lord, this can't be real.

I thought it was a mistaken identity." The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years, only two people knew the truth. Until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to burden of guilt season 2 on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

“Why hasn't a woman formally participated in a Formula One race weekend in over a decade?”

Think about how many skills they have to develop at such a young age? What can we learn from all of the new F1 romance novels suddenly popping up every year? He's still smelled of podium champagne and expensive friction. And how did a 2023 event called Wag Gettin change the paddock forever? That day is just seared into my memory. I'm a culture writer and F1 expert Lily Herman, and these are just a few

of the questions I'm tackling on no grip. A Formula One culture podcast that dives into the under explored pockets of the sport. In each episode a different guest tonight will go deeper into the Wag Gettin misshaps scandals and sagas, both on the track and far away from it, that have made F1 a delightful, decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no grip on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

The people with soap was up, it's Questlove. So recently I had the incredible

release of our new thriller series Scarpetta. I can honestly say I've never done an interview

like that before, you know, at one point I set my laptop down, and we just started chatting as old friends, recent Oscar recipient. So we have some commonality there. I predict that by the way. And you said these words to me, dust off your mantle. Yes. And I looked at you and I said what? And you said dust off your mantle. And then I left and that was it. And then when all of that happened,

“I remember the next morning I think I wanted to like write you and go, how did you know?”

Listen to the Questlove soap or the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. How did you, or maybe you did at some point, but having been doing this now for the amount of decades that we have, how did you avoid burnout? Or did you experience it at some point and then just get through it? Have we all? Yeah, I feel like I have for sure. Yeah, I think the burnout when I sort of let myself acknowledge it happened in my, and I can only say this because you know, having started as

young as we did, I was 15, you said you're 12. Like, I think it was in my, it was right after I had both my kids and it's not because I was working so so much. It was just the, the idea of hey, I am the head of my household. I've made these two people. I've survived in the industry this

“long, and I'm still getting calls from my agency saying, like, you need to put yourself on this,”

on tape for this by tomorrow, and the copies like, you kids come in before it's dark. Right. You know, and it's just like, right, it still feels like people are just making you prove that you can act at all. Yep. And that just feels really hard on the ego and look, I know it's what we sign up

but it just felt really hard. And so that nature of just always having to be on call, drop everything,

you know, this is what you have to do if you want to survive, which you just keep being told. You know, that that's when I sort of felt the most burnt out. And it wasn't until I started working for a hallmark and they empowered me creatively that I started to feel like I had any degree of autonomy and the business. That is so great. How did that then come about? Did they just recognize you as an actor who had good suggestions for things? Did you go to them and say, listen, I have more to

“offer. I would like to produce. Did you come with an idea? How did you make that transition?”

I had been offered a couple of movies by them and I, you know, was busy sort of like having my first child and, you know, being told by my agents like, man, it's probably not that time yet and the couple scripts that I had read by them weren't quite hitting. But then I read this one that they sent and I just really loved them in the area. I was like, this is so funny and fresh and romantic and it just, it felt like what I wanted to say. You know what I mean? And it felt really

aligned with just my kind of like peaceful, you know, feel good loving self. I still struggle. I'm trying my hardest to our stranger things with my kid right now and I am struggling. I am very scared. Yeah. So I don't like to be scared either. It's not for me at it. Yeah. It's hard. And so I was just like, oh my gosh, you know, this thing that had been for no good reasons, stigmatized to me, all of the sudden felt like a really good idea and I went. I made it and I had the best time.

And the amazing thing is back then I think they were making Calmercars making something close

like 200 movies here, right? Oh my gosh. So at that rate, when you get somewhere and you're like, oh wait a minute, would it be okay if I X, Y, Z, you know, between these lines or whatever? And they're just like, yeah, go for it. Like they're, they're really empowering to the people who work for them and they're so supportive of women, really. That's so great. Yeah. And so when I was able to team up with a producer and bring them a project, it's just sort of, you know, kept going from there.

It's been really awesome. I had this so incredible. You're so inspiring. Thank you. You're doing it all, Danielle. I just hope you're on. I just mostly talk for a living. God, thank you. Is there a time that you wish you had a more traditional childhood, especially now where you're watching your kids approach the age where you made the big trip out to LA? Do you ever wish you could go back and do it differently or are you? There's some moments where I'll be talking to more

specifically in my daughter these days about just something that might be happening with her socially, this time. Yeah, there. And I'll be trying to give her advice. Yeah, like that. And it will just be

her age and experience growing up these days. And also, I didn't do my younger years the way she's

doing them. And so I wish sometimes that I felt like I was able to relate. Yeah. But I don't know if that would have been brought about by the passage of time regardless. Right. But yeah, there's this

“weird moment that's always been so burned in my brain. When I was filming, Tom and Huck, I remember”

going to a matinee movie with my mom, well, that we came when we were filming. And a bunch of kids came out of whatever movie they were seeing. And they were all in the parking lot throwing the extra ice from their drinks at each other. And I just remember having this weird feeling. Just back in my spine. And I just kind of knew that no one was ever going to like throw ice at me. Oh. And like it felt in a weird way like I had graduated in some form and in another way it felt

kind of sad. Yeah. So it's funny. I did a movie. I see a little over a year ago now with my good friend, Akash Ombert Carr, shout out Akash and love you from ghost. Yeah. He's the best everybody left him. But it's a very meta story about an actress who goes back to her hometown and we connect with him or high school boyfriend. And I we put in this moment where our characters go and get big hopes and then we chock I said each other. And that was, I'm not going to say it was

healing for me. There would be a real shortcut to like, yep, you know, glazing that moment. But if there's a, if there was a moment that was it. Wow. Beautiful. You did understand it. I do. I do understand. And I would like to just point out that you, you did not have someone to throw ice at you. But you did have writer strong to drag you through a spiky flower patch. And so I did just

write. I always will. Yeah. I always will. For sure. But yeah, writer also pulled me into the rain

“loved to run in the rain. And we were in, I think we were in Orlando. And it was like, I think”

it was at the end of the day and the hair and makeup. We were, you know, whatever. And then it was like, Danielle, let's, it's raining. And I remember like, yeah, stay inside. No, grab, took my body hand and we ran in the rain. And it was very fun. But I also remember in the moment being like, oh, he thinks this is so romantic. Like, like, you know, I remember, yeah, and he's like, oh, I know. And we say this room place in love. And of course, of course, of course. And I love

that that's who that boy is. I love the day. I hope he still is. He, he is, he is. And his family is all the better for it. He's, it's very well appreciated and loved in his family. I'm having such a great time catching up with Rachel Lee Cook that she is sticking around for our weekly bonus episode, where we will listen to one listener's voice memo. And quietly judge their embarrassing

“childhood story. All you need to do is search for teen beat wherever you get your podcasts and subscribe”

that way every new episode just ends up on your phone. No questions asked. And you can send in your own tales of teenage terror, just email us a voice memo with all the juicy details to teenbeat [email protected]. And it might just end up on the next episode of teenbeat. See you Friday with more from the coolest girl I know, Rachel Lee Cook. Teenbeat is an eye heart podcast produced and hosted by Daniel Fischel, executive producers, Jensen Carp and Amy Sugarman, executive and charge

of production, Daniel Romo, producer and editor Tara Sue Box. The theme song is by Mar Capis. Yes, that Mar Capis. Follow us on Instagram @teenbeatpod. In the middle of the night, Saskia woke in a haze. Her husband Mike was on his laptop. But was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe.

That's your home. That's your husband. Listen to betrayal season 5 on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the burden of guilt season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpride became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years until a confession changed everything.

I was a monster. Listen to burden of guilt season 2 on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The people was up with something. It's

quest love. So recently, I had the incredible opportunity to have a real conversation with

actress and producer Jamie Lee Curtis from routines to recovery, true lies, and a certain

I am so happy that I'm that head **** in charge at 67 that I have the perspective that I have at

“my age to really be able to put all of this into context. Listen to the quest love so”

on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than no grip, a new podcast tackling

“the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the”

under explored pockets of F1. Including the story of the woman who last participated in a

Formula One race weekend, the recent uptick in F1 romance novels, and plenty of mishab scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful, decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no grip on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Clayton Nackard, in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor.

“But here's the thing. Bachelor fans hated him. If I could press a button and rewind it all I would.”

That's when his life took a disturbing turn. A one-night stand would end in a courtroom. The media is here. This case has gone viral. The dating contract agreed to date me, but I'm also suing you. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. I'm Stephanie Young, listen to love trapped on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an I-Hart podcast, guaranteed human.