The Red Weather | E5 | Mick’s Tape

Her husband Mike was on his laptop.

“What was on his screen would change Sasuke's life forever.”

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- Previously, on the Red Weather. In 1995, my neighbor Anna Trayner disappeared from a commune. - They looked at me. He had somebody with him every step of the way, and we know he was with you for the rest of the night.

- She full-on change her story. So then we she's dating me. - Oh, so they dated for real. Oh, yeah, she actually gets into months. - Red just did her job out on November 18, 1995.

- So she had a new car. - It didn't two weeks, yeah.

- But it's not until this interview, which is third one,

but she says that she was with Mick. But correct. - Let's start by moving on. - You want to talk about how this guy can look the other way when it comes to Mick.

You got to talk about his campaign the next year. And pay it for that, sure. - I knew about a mixed state of mixed state. Uh, a haunted state. - It was money and money a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

This is Anna Trainor's voice, which I hadn't heard in 30 years. It's the infamous haunted tape. It turns out it's a mixed tape that animate in 1995. So there's music, of course, songs like "Sour Times" by Porto's head. Songs she must have loved or felt compelled to share.

But also, like a lot of us did back then. Anna recorded herself talking. And mostly, she sounds like a teenager. Intense at times, like when she reads Edgar Allan Poe. - I was a child, and she was a child in this kingdom by the sea.

But we loved with a love that was more than love. I and my Annabelle, with a love that the winged serfs of heaven coveted her and me. - Other times, she's completely irreverent, like when she records herself going through a drive through McDonald's. - Yeah, number two, no pickles, but the heck to poke.

Two cups. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

- No, never mind that she drinks like a glass or like not even like a glass or something.

Like a bottle of lime, like every night, which is poison. Every day, all the cups are better. I have a fucking Coca-Cola. - Well, you know what, Lini? - It's fine, for you.

- I'm gonna have two. - Chocolate latte, wait, one, two, chocolate latte.

- I have no idea what's going on here, some kind of in joke.

- Wait, that look on the ladies' face. I give what you said that.

“- I can understand why the rumor started that this was a voice from Beyond the Grave.”

There are moments that feel eerie, especially not knowing what happened to her. - It is that lucky, I really do. - I felt like a window cracked through time, a direct connection. I thought for sure it would open up a whole new line of investigation. But actually, it had the opposite effect.

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- The last week had changed the way I was thinking about Anna's disappearance.

I was talking with Sheriff Maldonado, the lead investigator from 1995, and starting to wonder why he chose to focus on some suspects and ignore others. - I know he got (beep) to change the story, got Maldon to look the other way. - And I had sat down with sparks, an old acquaintance who was convinced,

convinced that Maldonado and the Sheriff's Department were thoroughly corrupt. - Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies and the woods and not the obvious boy

“friend who was all pissed because of girls sleeping around?”

- I kind of agreed. I got in the vibe that tender hearts was a boogie man from Maldonado, but why would they want it to not be Mick? Well, one reason might be Mick's family, his dad. Thomas Bowden was an early Microsoft investor back in the pre dot com boom.

Mick grew up on a big house with its own vineyard. My brother remembers it. - And it kind of stuck out like in the field. Yeah, it was like open vineyards, and then just just being blocked out. - Yes, well, it's like that foe Italian Tuscan want to be vibe, you know?

So it's like just a huge, it's a mansion. I can make mansion house, but it's trying to be classy at the same time. - Rich Daddy, perfect football plan. And yeah, stud, you know, like it. - Mick was rich on track.

He already had early acceptance to Stanford. In other words, Mick and his family were good upstanding folks. While Anna and the tender hearts was a sleazy, creepy commune, but in real terms, sparks was sure that Mick's family had actually contributed to Maldonado's campaign for County Sheriff the next year.

- Daddy promises to Mula, they have asked their investigation, goes away. - General is a Moodle one, follow the money. - That's Monica Trimblane, the recorder who covered the case. - So when I was in there with the evidence, Maldonado did this weird thing. - I told her that Maldonado helped me stick photos at the Sheriff's Department,

which felt to me like a sign of his corrupt ability. - No, I wouldn't read too much into that. I mean, I have sources all the time, back channel sources, so. - Yeah, I guess you're right. It's not like this one little move means that he's a crooked cop.

- What do you got me?

“I mean, but helping you, helping a lead, that's what you want, right?”

Like how do you think we got the Pentagon papers, watergate? I mean, as a journalist, that's the goal. - I'm hardly a journalist. - Were you waiting for a permission? - She said she would look into the campaign contributions.

- All right, well, really what we need to do is get a hold of Mick. - I had been trying to reach Mick from the moment I started this podcast to know of Ale. I tried every number I could find. - Hi, is this Luke? - No.

- I even tried to track him down through his brother who had been a friend of mine

for a brief moment and second and third grade.

Okay, sorry about that. Thanks. - And since our first sit down, Sparks was MIA. - The mailbox is full and cannot accept any messages at this time. Goodbye. - Which was worrisome.

If I was going to use any of his information, I would need him. - He's not getting back to me either. - My buddy Chris was the one who connected me to Sparks in the first place. - Well, it's shitty because he said so many things.

But if I can't find him, I can't... - It makes you look bad.

“- Monica had actually interviewed ***** in the 90s.”

She never went on record, but Monica still had her contact info.

- Hey, did you know she's a grandmother now? - What? This idea rocks my world. - Yeah, I guess if she had a kid when she was 20 or something. - Oh, come on, Ryder, it's not that crazy. A lot of people have kids young.

- The main feeling that this gave me was embarrassment. But here I am running around with a microphone and trying to call her about her teenage boyfriend and she's a grandmother. Her life had moved on in every way.

- Well, if not me, then will she talk to you? - Um, I don't think so on record. - After my experience with Malton Auto and Thomas Greer, the Sheriff's Department liaison, I was feeling more comfortable with the idea of reciprocity

of making deals. - Can you do me a favor? Could you send her something and then ask her again if you might talk to me? - I was talking about a copy of the transcript.

“I had smuggled out of the violent crimes investigative unit.”

I'd noticed something from mix first conversation with Malton Auto.

And then this is U.S. going to rub the [bleep] here. - Yeah, yeah. - Harsh? - I sent Monica a screenshot that I'd collected with Malton Auto's phone.

- Oh, man, yeah, right? - In their first interview, Malton Auto wanted to know why Mick was getting paged by Anna and yet he spent tonight with [bleep] and here's what he said.

Malton Auto asks, "So what about? Why are you showing up at her place so late?" Mick says, "Like's me, Malton Auto asks, "She's your girlfriend, Mick, no, no." Malton Auto says, "So what, a hookup?

She's hot, Mick, not even." Malton Auto says, "Not hot, Mick. She's there, all right? Is there? Guy like you has a lot of these?

I do all right, you score. I do all right. This was the Mick that I remember. And maybe, if she knew what Mick had said to the cops, might change her mind about talking to me.

- You know, right, you're better with this than you think. - Two days later, Monica called me back. - She's going to talk to me? - No, she's not going to talk to you. But, you know, Mick left something in her car years ago.

- And that was how I got the mixed tape. Monica didn't have a tape layer, but my parents did in their garage. The day the tape arrived, Monica had a trial she was covering. So I met her in the parking lot outside the courthouse.

Believe it or not, this was our first time meeting in person. Up until now, everything had been over Zoom or on the phone. - All right, so you're not finally Zoom. Sorry, I do not have a tape layer. - Yeah, no, no, I would do.

I just, my parents never throw anything away.

- Yeah, look, I'm down to hear this. So give me an update on this tape the second that you listened to. - Well, yeah, you got her. - How to digitize it or whatever. And then I'll send you topics.

What's this? - I meant the trial. - This small murder. - Oh, really? - Yep, drugs, death, death, drug, you know. Doesn't get out.

- Oh, wow. - Okay, gotta get back, recess is probably over. Talks soon, yeah? - Yeah, okay. - Thanks. - Thank you. - I watched her hurry into the courthouse.

It was really hard for me to imagine her job. Covering multiple cases, the crime beat in general. I was only looking into one case, and I was overwhelmed. I got home, dusted off my parents' old tape player, and got it working.

Anna's mix is 120 minutes, and it's full.

“- Okay, but you have to listen to the little thing.”

You can't pass through it. - The first song was Nick Cave's red right hand, which launches Anna into a rant about society. - I think you just like needed to be true really. You like me, and then I like you, but it's not okay.

It's like, isn't okay for society, it's what it's saying. So I see the box is hidden. - Then there's the really unnerving presence of concrete lawns tomorrow, Wendy, with its chorus. ♪ Oh, let me know ♪

- And now for your listening pleasure, some more check music. ♪ I don't know ♪ - Saints by the breeders was a song I didn't know. It definitely has a manic 90s energy.

So much of what she was saying didn't make sense, but one thing was clear. It put Mick from the center again.

because you are so cool.

- I sent Monica a digital copy that I made

by running the line to my laptop. I was excited, it felt like real progress. - There was no way the Sheriff's Department wouldn't revisit Mick as a suspect now, but then I mentioned sharing it with them, to Monica.

- Wait, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that. I would not do that, not yet. - What? Really? Why?

“- Right, are you got a source telling you they bury this case?”

Vicar up, they took bribes. - Okay, well, that's more than autumn, maybe, but walk away. Like... - They're gonna ask you where you got the tape. Look, no mention my name.

- Why not? - I've our own (beep) trust. I gave you the tape, because she told me that was all right. She chose not to turn it into the cops for 30 years. - Well, but they told me that if there's new evidence

that they could open up the case. - You believe that? - Do you want that? - Well, maybe, yeah, the warrior or the guy, the liaison that they put me, he loves me.

He's like, he's actually ridiculously, he's a fan. - Oh, wow, okay, don't fall for that, okay? These are not your friends, every cop, every team, law enforcement team that I have worked with,

given a choice between something that makes them look bad

and the truth, they never choose the truth.

The more I thought about it, I didn't feel right, not sharing evidence. So, I didn't heed her advice, I wish I had it. - In the middle of the night, Sasuke awoke in a haze.

Her husband Mike was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Sasuke's life? - Forever. - I said I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing and immediately, the mask came off.

- You're supposed to be safe. That's your home, that's your husband.

“- So keep this secret for so many years.”

He's like a seasoned pro. - This is a story about the end of a marriage, but it's also the story of one woman

who was done living in the dark.

- Your dangerous person who prays on a vulnerable and trusting people, you're trying to make a love and good. - Listen to betrayal season five on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. - I'm Nancy Glass, host of the burden of guilt season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpride became the victim

of a random crime. - He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground. - He identified Chamaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Chamaine was sentenced to 99 years. - And like, Laura, this can't be real.

I thought it was a mistaken identity. - The best lie is partial truth.

“- For 22 years, only two people knew the truth.”

Until a confession changed everything. - I was a monster. - Listen to burden of guilt season two on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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- The day I got Anna's tape, I listened to it three times all the way through. (upbeat music) There when it's girl, you'll be a woman's scene, which was from the pulp fiction soundtrack.

Pearl Jam's daughter, there was some of the hip hop that everyone listened to and survived to pull up the time, dig a bull planet, tribe called Quest. The one that really brought me back personally

was a song by Anna Defranca, out of range.

The second that opening riff started,

a memory rushed in.

“Willow, cranking the song up while we drove around,”

bouncing and thrashing and receipt, the way that only teenagers can do. Willow must have been introduced to Anna Defranca by her sister. Some of the most interesting parts of the mix

are when Anna included movie clips. I remember doing this too. The audio's terrible. She must have been holding her recorder right up to the TV.

It's home, world wild and hearty, we're out of it. The clown is stupid, Jack. This is a slight skin, Jack. If it were me, it's still a lot of good to reality. And not the wings, and personal freedom.

That's old. That's from wild at heart, in this. Of course, I keep out to see her from her bed. He would have been a kid, his team was helping me came along so that Jack's so cold.

Which I recognized from Badlands, one of my favorite movies. All in all, Anna had good taste. And apparently, Mick did not. On this tape, there will be no Billy Joel. Fuck the Eagles, Buck Hotel, California.

Fuck your dad's music. This is how she talks to him a lot. Tonting him, teasing him. Is this torture? What does it hurt?

Does it make you want to cut your ear off?

And if you caught that, that's the first of many Vincent Van Gogh references.

Get used to it because I'm picking all the music in Operation Van Gogh. I'm going to make you camp. You're going to hate it. She even reads from a book at one point. It's an encyclopedia, I guess.

Vincent Van Gogh was a Dutch painter who's vivid colors and expressive, fresh work blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. OK, here. Van Gogh's suffered from severe emotional and psychological problems inside in France, the age of 37.

37 severe emotional and psychological problems.

“That's what happens when you let society tell you how to feel.”

Which, by the way, you do it. We do it all the time because we're scared. All in all, it sounds like she and Mick had a pretty strange dynamic. There's no way the sheriff's department wouldn't find this helpful. There's no way the sheriff's department wouldn't find this helpful.

I called my liaison Thomas Greer. Mr Hunter. Yeah, hi. He also seemingly could only think of me as the guy from Boy Meets World. Don't, don't, don't, don't.

Do you remember that Halloween episode? Which was better than Lochlan, who had openly dismissed me as an actor with a podcast. Like a cassette? Oh, school. Yeah, it's, it's got songs and then she has movie clips.

But she also talks a lot to Mick. I was surprised, though, by Greer's reaction to the tape. And how do you know that's from the real girl, though, Hannah? Yeah, well, I mean, I don't know for sure, but yeah, it's her. I mean, it's, who gave it to you?

I'd rather, if, can I keep that confidential? You know, it's your tape. You called me. But it doesn't mean that much unless it's real. No, it's definitely, I mean, it's a direct source. Maybe it would have been more excited.

All right. Well, why don't you bring it over and we'll give it a listen.

This is for Thomas Greer. Yeah, I can take that. The next morning, I dropped a tape off and Greer didn't even come out to get it. I left it at the front desk and I met Monica for lunch. We met at the Pine-Cone diner and went over the table.

It's her, right?

“I mean, yeah, I don't, it's all like I remember her voice, perfectly.”

But it totally fits. Even though I have no idea what she's talking about after time. I don't know, like, more than half.

Yeah, like, always van ghost.

No idea. Yeah, I have no idea. The fact that Anna had made this tape from Mick, and that he'd never brought it forward, was not a good look for him. But then I have to be careful because I went into doing this podcast with a chip of my shoulder. Mick Bowden, going all the way back to when we were kids,

was, I don't know how to put this delicately. Not my favorite person. He was arrogant, condescending. I was friends with his brother for a little bit, and I remember going over to the house and Mick would torture us,

lock us in a room. He was just a dick. Yeah, I just remember him just always, yeah, just being a dickhead. Chris, in particular, was picked on relentlessly by Mick and his friends.

Chris was a goofy, funny kid with the slightly off-sense of humor, exactly the kind of kid someone like Mick would target. He'd strut around everywhere he went,

“anywhere he went, like he owned the place,”

which maybe served him well.

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when the new startup was acquired by Pullman Hendrix, and a deal reportedly in the three to five minutes. Mark Northern California thing and moved into tech out of Stanford. He was part of that first.com boom. He sold an ad integration company in 2002,

and apparently that sold to a bigger company, which sold to a bigger company and on and on. You have any idea how much he's worth? It's a lot. I mean, this one he just invests.

He does very well with his investment firm, J-Light. You know, he started off rich. I know. Yeah, it must be nice. When you said that is, if you were in a different situation.

I thought I was. Really? Yeah. Like I was a firefighter, my mom taught class at the J-C. I mean, we were on TV as well.

Working? Okay.

This was one of the first times I got a sense

of how good Monica is at her job. She was comfortable with conflict, and not in an aggressive way. She would just let a moment sit there. I was just confused because you said it must be nice.

Like you wouldn't make war in totally different worlds. Woah. I grew up in Oakland. It's a brown safe part. Yeah, that is different.

We had spent the last few weeks talking obsessively about my childhood and my friends. And yet, I didn't even know if Monica was married or had kids. Before I could ask. She moved right on.

Yeah, mixed that. He died. But I do still think it might be worth checking out those contributions. But for a month or so.

Right. The 96 campaign. She was pounding on her phone. It looked like she was writing four different stories at once. So I'm going to go to the registrar in person.

It's nothing digital. And if that does not work, check with the FPPC. She's successful. Well, legally, there's supposed to respond in 10 days. But you can see how it works.

Okay. I paid the bill. With sparks off the grid, the tape with the sheriff's department and having interviewed most of my family and friends already. I started to feel like I should probably head home.

How's Indie? I called my wife, Alex. Oh, he's okay. You know, already crying about having to do the conservatorium Saturday. Even though, yeah, it's five days away.

Alex had been holding down the fork back at home for almost three weeks now. She's in the business, too. And like most of us these days, she's a multi-high-finite writer, director, producer, actor. When you're married and both of you work this way,

“where everything is freelance, you have to take turns.”

Whoever's got a job, whoever's got a project. The other one becomes a single parent. And the truth was going back to my hometown and looking into Anna's case was a little different, not an actual job.

She would never say so, but I was pretty sure Alex's patience was wearing thin. I was supposed to be writing a script and actual job. It was due in a matter of weeks, but I hadn't even written a word yet.

I know. You think I should come home? I don't say that.

Well, that is a job that you have for you.

I know. You're supposed to be writing.

“That's all you ever want to do is right.”

You're not doing that. It's fine. I'll come home. There's nothing happening here and I can't just keep sitting around.

Right then, though, an email came through. Oh, wait. I actually just got a note from the sheriff's office. You come in and meet me at 9 a.m. tomorrow. Yeah?

I guess they listened to the tape. The next morning, I went to the building and waited to see Greer. I couldn't wait to hear his thoughts on the tape.

Finally, I was no longer begging for access

or evidence or return phone call. The sheriff's department was taking me seriously. And this is really painful to admit.

“But while I sat there, I actually had a fantasy.”

I mean, I know it's ridiculous, but I couldn't help it. It was me embedded with Greer and a team of cops, like a SWAT team, I guess. And I'd have my mic and my headphones. So I'm recording audio while we jumped out of the vans

and marched into this big office building. It's J-Light. Mixed company, shocked faces of employees, mic, protested, while Greer cuffed him, and then mic would catch my eye.

But then, while waiting in the lobby,

I got a text from Monica. It said, "Sparks may have been right." I texted her back about what? She replied with three dollar bills. Follow the money.

In the middle of the night, Sasuke awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop.

“What was on his screen would change Sasuke's life forever?”

I said, "I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing." And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband.

So keep this secret for so many years. He's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage, but it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark.

Your dangerous person who prays unvolverable with trusting people. You're trying to make a love and good. Listen to betrayal season five on the iHeart Radio app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm Nancy Glass, host of the burden of guilt season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpride became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun. Tells me to lie down on the ground.

He identified Germain Hudson as the perpetrator. Germain was sentenced to 99 years. And like Laura, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth.

For 22 years only two people knew the truth. Until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to burden of guilt season two on the iHeart Radio app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Inside Charlie's place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it. Can you solid cake cake cake? Yeah, they were just up in that uniform. The cake cake set out to Ray Charlie taken away from here.

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Listen to bleep with Anna Navarro as part of the Michael Dudat podcast. Available on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I called Monica back from the lobby. Right there are two contributions to the 1996 Malna Notto campaign. Okay.

These two companies, free flow and overture holdings. Thomas Bolden was on the board for both. That would be mixed ad. Jesus, I'm walking into career right now. Yeah.

Strong way to see going to let you record. Yeah. Okay. Well then, all you got to ask him about is just get his response. I'm real time.

No, I'm not sure.

I can do that every time.

Do I get strong? When Greer walked me down the hallway, I tried to give him something that I had found in my parents house, while digging out the tape player. I hate so.

That's what I found. Hmm. What's this?

“It was a boy meets world script from the 90s.”

My parents had kept a box of them, and I thought he'd appreciate it. It's another thing to go. Oh, cool. Yeah. I can sign for you.

What? Hmm. Come on in. We walked into a bare room with a metal table. Sheriff Grace Locklin was waiting.

Hi. Oh, hi. Nice to meet you. Yeah, take a seat.

Was this an interrogation room?

I sat down for your state standing. They got right to the tape, but not in the way that I hoped. Yeah, it's compelling stuff. But see, here's the real thing. It's a serious chain of custody issue.

How, what is that being? You hand over a tape, but you won't tell us who gave it to you. Oh, yeah. Well, I'm sorry. Does that even matter?

I mean, it's, if it's real, it matters. Well, it's definitely real. Well, come on. Right. You're an actor.

You make movies, right, for a living. You're working with audio equipment. Okay, well, then can you, it's like tested. I mean, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, we have a forensic team processing.

But I, I don't understand the hesitation here. What has it taken? It tells where you got it.

“So can you tell us the name of the person who gave this one?”

Oh, they, I'm sorry. Right. So they just want to remain anonymous. You see, that's not helping us. You help us.

We help you. You said you have a new witness. Who's that? I, okay. And that, I can, if, with that one,

I can get back to you. You know, probably in a couple of days. I just, I need to get his, okay. Look, we're all fraternalists. Obviously, we invited you in here, right?

We're letting you record right now. All we want is more eyes and ears on any case. We want everyone to come forward. Tell us, tell us what they know. Okay.

But then, this wasn't just about me. We heard you've been talking to Monica Trimley. Uh-huh. You know her history, right? She's got a bit of a reputation.

For what? She has had to retract more than one story. Published some things before she gets all the facts. And then, other times, not publishing things, not sharing information that could help.

If you listen, you can hear my phone going crazy. Yeah, do you need to get that? No. No. We're the ones who can solve this case.

We have the people. We have the resources. We are the professionals. Not Monica Trimley. Not you.

Okay. It doesn't sound like you're going to reopen the case. When I asked that, they looked at one another. If we verify the tape, then it could move out the chain. And Greer, he'll put it on his active rotation.

But we need full transparency. Anything you find, any information you have. Anybody that comes forward that's... Yeah, of course. I'd walked into this building with this fantasy that I would help crack the case and join the SWAT team.

Take down a criminal. And I'd love to tell you that this was the moment that I did the right thing. Did the bold thing. But unlike Monica, I am incredibly uncomfortable with conflict.

So I didn't tell them how I got the tape.

I didn't tell them about the page I found. I didn't mention sparks. And I didn't confront them on the campaign contributions. You didn't say anything? Monica wasn't happy.

No, I mean, they wanted to know where we got the tape. You have to push back. Well, I mean, maybe eventually, I'm right now. I'm not in the position. I don't feel like I'm the right person to do that right.

“If you're not going to go for this, then what are we doing?”

Okay. Well, I will go for it. I'm just right now, you know, I want to get all the information. I'm looking at these people. And they're they're helping you.

They're probably going to reopen the case.

And I'm looking at them. So I don't want to. I don't know, you're just, you're tiptoeing around. You're just not trying to piss anybody off. Well, yeah.

Why should I? I don't, you know, I don't want to piss them off. Not necessarily. But they're not your friends. I don't, but there might be reopening the case, right?

And if I piss them off, then they don't talk to me that nobody went to that scenario. Wider. You've only been doing this for a few weeks now, right? They have had this case for 30 years. And you have done more on it than they have.

Okay.

“Doesn't that tell you everything you need to know?”

All right. I'm off. I guess. I left my parents and drove back to LA that day. I listened to Anna's mix on the way, just to find the fact that I hadn't confronted

Blockland and Greer. I'm not a journalist. I'm not a detective. Maybe I'd done some good kicked over a few stones. And I found the tape.

Hopefully they would reopen Anna's case. I could go home, get back to my writing job. Well, they looked into it more. And this idea that the Sheriff's Department might be corrupt or had been corrupt. That was important, of course.

But was it my battle? Monica's the professional. She could keep digging. Is she found something solid? Well, then she could bring it to me or her editors or whoever.

And maybe get something published.

“Turns out Monica didn't have to wait for me or anyone.”

Like most writers these days, Monica runs her own sub-stack. And by the time I woke up, the news had already broken. Washington's younger and missing persons investigation from 1995. Okay.

Whenever reviews come out for something that I've worked on, I have Alex read it first.

For some reason, it feels better to have a human buffer. I did that with Monica's article, too. It's about contributions to a campaign. Oh, she put it home in there. Sheriff Robert Meldenado did not respond to polls.

Of course not. For a moment, one brief shining moment. I hope that Monica might have put this out there without involving me. The allegations came to light because writer's strong, the actor best known for his role in William's world,

has been revisiting the case for a podcast. Shit. And suddenly, this project, before I even finished editing, my very first episode, was out in the world. And I had a bad feeling.

It was not gonna make things easier. That day, the day lose. Messages and emails, news outlets, one in comments. And stuff like this happens, anybody who represents me or ever once represented me starts fielding requests.

Old agents from when I was still acting, publicists, I worked with years ago. Anywhere somebody can find contact info for me, they try. And the whole morning, I watched phone calls come in from unknown numbers. But then there was one that I recognized and a new idea to answer.

Oh, congratulations. You've got the clicks. No, I had no idea it wasn't ever anything that I was going to answer. This makes it harder. This is exactly why we need to control the flow of information. This is the kind of thing that we cannot have.

I tried to explain myself to distance myself from Monica, but I could barely get a word in. Okay, look, I don't need to state and the district attorney, suddenly banging on my door. We were trying to help you.

And now we're fielding conspiracy theories. I know, and I appreciate your help. I apologize Robert Maldonato to no longer speak with you and officers' rarities under orders to keep this work in tunnel. At that point, I was cut out of the case.

No more access to the evidence or the sheriff's office. I thought this was it that there was no way I could put anything together without help or new leads without more evidence.

would I really needed to push the case forward?

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