The Red Weather | E6 | To Live and Park in LA

Her husband Mike was on his laptop.

What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever? I said I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home.

That's your husband. Listen to betrayal season five on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the burden of guilt season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpride became the victim of a random crime.

The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to burden of guilt season two on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton Eckard, in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor.

“But here's the thing, bachelor fans hated him.”

If I could press a button and rewind it all I would, that's when his life took a disturbing

turn. A one night stand would end in a courtroom. The media is here, this case has gone viral, and the dating contract agreed to date me, but I'm also suing you. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before.

I'm Stephanie Young, listen to the love trapped on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, we unpack the story of an unimaginable tragedy that gripped the UK in 2023, but what if we didn't get the whole story?

The moment you look at the whole picture the case collapsed. What if the truth was disguised by a story we chose to believe in right out, I think she might be innocent. Listen to doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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The content of this podcast is a sole responsibility of red weather LLC and does not reflect the views of responsibilities of iHeart Media or its affiliates. Previously, on the red weather, I want to thank you the man, but I make you. This is Anna Trainer's voice, it's the infamous haunted tape.

“I do remember we found her car down south of here that pushed us in the runaway direction.”

Even if it managed to meet up with Anna, then murder her, could you have gotten rid of the body and driven her car all the way to SFO? Isn't it a little bit weird that they have sex over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend? It was all pissed because her girl was sleeping around, daddy promised us a mula, the half

past their investigation goes away. You're supposed to be writing? It's fine. We'll come home. Right over there are two contributions.

The 1996 Maldonado campaign. These two companies, Thomas Bolden was on the board for both. Okay, look, I don't need to state and the district attorney, something banging on my door. We were trying to help you.

I apologize, Robert. Maldonado too, no longer speak with you and Officer Rereys under orders to keep this work in turn. Oh, they don't eat fish food, actually. Maybe it's not surprising that my son Indy loves to act and saying his, after all, the

child of two performers. Oh, they don't eat fish food, actually. What is this next slide? Just say it to God.

“Based on my experience, the kids that really thrive as actors are the ones who do it”

for their own sake, not because they want to be famous. So we've limited Indy's acting to classes and plays, but then after a period on a few episodes of my podcast, we were approached by a voiceover agent. It changed. Oh, they don't eat fish food, actually.

Nope. They eat. And then she ate. Get out of the way here. So now he's a working voiceover actor and we got auditions about once a week.

Indy loves it for the most part, but he's still a kid and sometimes he just doesn't want a audition. Just stand up. Please. Indy, come on.

Please. Oh, yeah, hold on. Hold on. No. If we just focus.

I know. Do you want me to read the other lines? Is that going to help you? What? Do you want me to read the other lines?

No. Okay. Well, how did mom do the auditions? Well, I was calm. 'Cause you had, like, sure.

He was the eye thought. I'm not doing that. He was gone for so long. I know. Why could an eye go?

Well, I was working. We wouldn't have been able to hang out. Doing the podcast about the girl? Yeah.

Yeah. Well, her sister wasn't. What happened? Well, that's when trying to figure out. No.

Your friend. The sister. What's her name? No. Willow.

Did I meet her? No.

“I mean, I think there was one for the joy that she might have been, I don't remember.”

She died? Yeah. How? Oh, she was-- she was a very unhappy-- can we get back to this? She was just a very unhappy person.

And she killed herself? Yeah. [MUSIC PLAYING] That's it. Yeah.

And you never knew what happened to her sister?

No, that's-- That's why I was gone for those two weeks. I'm trying to look into this. But come on, can we just focus on this and do this? Why did you stop?

It's complicated, buddy. There are lots of people who don't want me to do it in this. Are they bad people? I'm-- I think so. You know, there's just--

I don't know. There's so many reasons. Dad, you should hope. You'll have to hope. That's the right thing.

“After this conversation, I couldn't decide if Indy was being naive”

or brave. I mean, he was definitely coming from a place of innocence. But there's different meanings there, right? You can be innocent as in foolish, immature, or you can be innocent as in pure and honest,

not corrupted by cynicism, by a world where powerful people

get to do what they want and ignore questions. He was right. I should help. But I didn't know what that meant anymore. I am actor and filmmaker Ryder Strong.

This is the Red Weather. [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] Way to take someone's tragedy and make it all about you, Ryder.

Now that it was public that this podcast was happening, social media posts and comments weighed in. Oh, this is my favorite. This is a vanity project of a washed-up child actor. I think I got to stop.

Right. I knew my wife was right. But I couldn't help but think there might be something useful in here. Since none of the podcast was released though,

most of the comments were just about the irresponsibility of true crime and personal attacks on me, which hurt, of course. But I tried to put my own feelings aside and be optimistic. Maybe, just maybe, the attention might help. Now that it was public, someone might come forward with information

or want to get involved. But now, it had the opposite effect. This is strong. My name is Yuri Donanfield. I am attorney with Warren, Tolin, and Shapiro.

“You should have received the letter from my office”

to be a certified mail. I had. From the letter, your podcast appears poised to make unfounded and damaging claims about our client. That would be Mick.

Such claims, if broadcast may constitute defamation under current statute.

Basically, a cease-indicist.

All in all, it felt like the universe was telling me to sit down and shut up. I had been shut out of any official reopening of the case, assuming there was one by Grace Locklin, the current Sonoma County Sheriff.

Please record your message. When you have finished recording, you may hang up. Hi, Sheriff Maldonado, it's writer. And Sheriff Maldonado, who led the case in 1995, also wasn't returning my calls.

I am still making the podcast. And I wanted you to know, for me, to hear it directly, that I have been in touch with Maldonado for a few times. But I'm working on my own here. I'm making progress.

I felt compelled to distance myself from Maldonado, because she had decided to publish information about contributions to Maldonado's 1996 campaign for Sheriff, in my opinion, prematurely. It's not like I stopped them or anything.

The most that I can do as a citizen is file a damn foil report. And that's what you did. That's-- you already did that. Yeah.

So we could get the full campaign records. Is that not anything legal or an investigation into the Sheriff's Department? That's up to the Attorney General. OK.

No, I'm trying to make a podcast.

I'm trying to solve this thing.

“And I feel like we were getting somewhere with them,”

with their help. What, writer, if they really cared about Anna, and if they wanted to solve this whole case, they would have welcomed the transparency. Wouldn't they want to know where

what shit went wrong? It was still hard for me to believe that Maldonado, in particular, would go from helping me as much as he did to completely ignoring me. They should be opening up their doors to you, to us.

But instead, the minute that you brought up McBoden, Maldonado and Maldonado are a multimillionaires son of a multimillionaire, guess what they did. They turned on you. That was true.

Mickey become the main person of interest in Anna's disappearance because of the mixed tape. [MUSIC PLAYING] The tape had songs, movie clips from wild at heart, and bad lands, and then Anna talked directly to Mc.

You can do it. You can do it. You're my sailor. You're my real life Mickey. Because you are so cool.

It was so intimate and applied a connection between the two of them that was powerful,

secretive, romantic, which is never how I thought about them.

I started this podcast, thinking Mc was a Gensdanna. But he had this revenge porn plan that got derailed that night by me and my friends, that he was driven by jealousy and possessiveness. But hearing the tape, I had to consider that he and Anna

were actually really in love, and maybe that motivated him. Maybe his parents didn't want him to be with her. Maybe he was dating this new girl. [BEEP] But had gotten back together with Anna and didn't know what to do.

Was Anna really into art? No, I don't think so, no memories. I checked in with my buddy Chris who had started this podcast with me. That's, I didn't think so either, but it's really weird

because on the tape, she keeps talking about Van Gogh. I don't know. Dude, here's the more important question. How's the feature coming? Oh, I don't want to ask.

I had been hired to write a horror script for a production company out of Austin. And at this point, my draft was weeks behind. Luckily, Chris thought he could help by me some time. Well, I'll call David, I'll call David.

David was Chris' agent who had actually introduced me

to the producers in the first place.

He refs us, guys, at least Steven from Keerhaze. Oh, my God, yes, do you think David could hold them off?

“Yeah, I think you need to get your ass riding,”

but yes, if David comes at them with writers going through it, he's going through trauma, his old friend killed herself, trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma. They'll catch you some slack, yeah, I'm a call. Oh, God, thank you.

Thank you so much, ma'am. You're a tortured artist, and that's why they want you to write their script and not some hack, but enough with the torture. You don't need any more torture on your torture plate.

My wife couldn't agree more. No, can't hear that again. She put a moratorium on listening to Anna's mix, but it's not bad music. At the point, I don't need to hear it over and over again.

It's not like the 454th time you're going to hear something new, but I still wanted to know what Anna was talking about on the tape. Okay, so why don't you write down what she says? That was actually a good idea. I found software that transcribed everything,

including the lyrics to all the songs. I now had a full text file, a readable and searchable version of the tapes. I wanted to read the song lyrics. I kept thinking Anna chose these songs for a reason,

which is a big assumption. I know some people don't care about lyrics at all. It doesn't matter what a song is saying if it's got a groove. That's the way Alex is. Hold on, just listen to this one song,

because I think this one's important. - Grace, let's go. - Just listen to this song. - Nope, nope, not into it. - Okay, fine, but what is it about?

- I don't care, I can't get past the music. - But I knew she liked Pearl Jam, which Anna had included. She put daughter on here by Pearl Jam. You like that song?

- I do. - Okay, what's it about? - Okay, what do you do to her about? - All right, my interpretation, and you know, stay with me here. I think it's about a daughter. - But I couldn't help it.

I kept thinking of the mix as a direct expression from Anna, like her own soundtrack, the musical of her life. So like did she listen to daughter and think of her mom, Laney? ♪ Long, long ♪

♪ Clear slags ♪ ♪ Breakfast ♪

“I know that's how I thought of music when I was a teenager.”

Especially if I made a mix for someone. If I included a song, it was because it expressed something

to understand about my life.

“- I was locked into being my mother's daughter.”

I was just eating bread and water. - I read the lyrics to "Onnie to Franco's Song" out of range to Alex. - Thinking nothing ever changes, and I was shocked to see the mistakes of each generation

will just fade like a radio station if you drive out of range. - Right, she just doesn't want to become her mom. - Exactly. And she wants, she has to get away from her.

Which, I mean, but it's so ironic because in his mom is part of this progressive group of women living out on the woods and get, here she is, listening to this song about an abusive relationship and escaping.

- All of that is total speculation.

And like my wife, you might think

I was getting a little obsessive. - Five of the agencies say about that. - What? - Go ahead. - Five.

“- I said a new schedule of waking up at 5am”

to get some work done before I took into school. I drag myself out of bed, make a pot of green tea, and sit at my computer. Try to only think about what I had to write. - Inevitably, I would find myself with my headphones on,

listening to the mix. As I turned out, one morning, on 6am. Maybe it was the 454th time. I did find something. - Okay, I was a really long while listening

and there's this section. - Get used to it because I'm picking all the music in Operation Van Gogh. I'm gonna make you camp. You're gonna hate it.

- Did you hear that? I'm gonna make you camp. And she called it Operation Van Gogh. Like Van Gogh wasn't about the artist, but a codename for something.

And then a clicked. The movie clips she included, badlands, wild at heart. These were movies where two lovers got into a car and ran away. - All this Van Gogh stuff wasn't about the artist.

It's literally the words themselves. It's a co-operation to go. Maybe even get in a van and go. - The mix tape was evidence that Anna did want to run away.

That she and Mick were planning some great escape, which meant it was time for me to confront one of the most confounding aspects of Anna's disappearance. The Kelty parking lot.

(upbeat music) - In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever.

- I said I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off. - You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband.

“- So keep this secret for so many years.”

He's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage, but it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. - Your dangerous person who prays

to vulnerable and trusting people. You're trying to make a love and good. - Listen to the trail season five on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

- I'm Nancy Glass, host of the burden of guilt season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpride became the victim of a random crime.

He pulls the gun. It tells me to lie down on the ground. - He identified Chamaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Chamaine was sentenced to 99 years. - And like, Laura, this can't be real.

I thought it was a mistaken identity. - The best lie is partial truth. - For 22 years, only two people knew the truth. Until a confession changed everything. - I was a monster.

- Listen to burden of guilt season two on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. - I'm Clayton Nackard, and in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor.

- Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan.

He became the first bachelor

to ever have his final rose rejected. The internet turned on him. - If I could press a button and rewind it all I would, but what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines?

It began as a one-night stand and ended in a courtroom with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal. - The media is here. This case has gone viral.

- Agreed to date me, but I'm also suing you. - We're in such work.

“- This is unlike anything I've ever seen before.”

- I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. - This season, an epic battle of he said she said, and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. - I don't know the answer, get rid of the f*ck!

- Brassler! - Listen to Love Trapped on the I-Hart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. - In 2023, a story gripped at the UK, evoking horror and disbelief.

- The nurse, who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history. - Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict, a villain, a nurse named Lucy Leppi.

- Lucy Leppi has been found guilty. - But what if we didn't get the full story? - At the moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses. - I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast doubt,

the case of Lucy Leppi, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it. - To ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Leppi was. - No voicing of any skepticism are doubt.

- It'll call so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this as well. - Listen to doubt the case of Lucy Leppi on the I-Hart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

- This is why you get the secret. - I called Monica that day. - It's literally a tape where she's talking about her and Mick running off together. The theory is she paged him.

He picked her up that night. - Yes, and they start Operation Mego, but then something is wrong.

Or maybe she didn't even wanna leave in the first place.

- Or maybe you could have backed out? - Yes, and things turned violent. Or I mean, actually maybe not. Maybe they just split up and she really did run off and she brought her to her car.

- And then she just drove herself to the Kelty Wash. - For all these years, the clearest indication that Anna had run away has been the fact that her car, technically her mom's car, but the one she used,

was found in a parking lot near the San Francisco Airport. Anna, or someone, had driven the car to the Kelty Parking Law in Franklin Avenue, only a few miles from SFO to fly away, or if someone had murdered her to make it look like she had

flown away. There was no plain ticket bot under Anna's name, no flight record, but in 1995, domestic flights rarely checked ideas, buying a plane ticket, in cash under a pseudonym was entirely possible.

- There are some problems here. - Has usual Monica didn't hold back? - First of all, if Nick didn't murder her, and he just decided not to go run away with her,

“why not just say that, why not come forward to that?”

- No, good point, that's a good point. - You know, and then if he does murder her, that means number one, he's got to hide this body. Well enough that nobody ever finds it. Number two, he's got to get the car to the parking lot,

and then get back in time, not to miss school the next day. - Right, but how do we know that he was in school? - Well, I'm not sure if he was ever marked absent, but to be honest, I don't even know if it records where I ever checked because--

- Because he says that he was with her. - But she could have easily changed her story to cover for him, which the witness logs made a strong case for. Plus, if Nick had bought her that new car,

she registered the jetta only a couple weeks later. - Her parents said that he was at the house in the morning, so that means that he's now not only bought her silence and help, but also her parents. - I just don't--

- Yeah, no, not too much, that's-- - Even if you don't really want to be recorded, I'd really love to talk.

- For the million time, I tried to reach Anna and Willow's mom,

Laney. I was worried what she might think now that the word was out publicly. - I'd like to explain what I've been doing because the stuff that's online right now

is definitely not the whole story. And I have-- - Laney's car, the car that Anna drove in 1995, was a 1988 Toyota Tursel, two-door white. My brother and everyone remembered Anna and Willow called it Tony.

- Yeah, stick shift.

“I think they used you to your ear, and then there.”

- Tony was in found until December 2nd, after it was log at the impound plot. When Maldonado and his team caught up with it, all they could do was search the car. - Well, there were no signs of a struggle.

- Maldonado went over the car evidence with me the first time we sat down. Back when he was still talking with me. - There were no notes, no blood, all we can do was bag what was inside. - That I had seen in the case file.

- You tell me what you want to see, and I can go pull it from the lockers. - We got you. - Longsling shirts. Sandals, size six.

- The more important and more puzzling aspect of the car was when it had been parked.

- Understanding that was critical to confirm in mixed story.

- The San Francisco airport is at least an 80 minute drive

from savastical.

“- Right, but you're assuming that the car definitely showed up”

at the Kelty Lot on November 1st. Oh, you mean the pay through confusion? - The car had been towed from the Kelty Lot where its fees had gone on paid. That lot offered 24 hours of parking for $7,

which, side note, that's mind-boggling. Nowadays, the cheapest rate for 24 hours is like $45. - Kelty was one of those off-site parking companies. It was bare bones, just a lot. - They had six lots, three by SFO,

and three by the Oakland Airport. The Franklin Avenue Lot was uncovered with barely any infrastructure. - They didn't have cameras or anything? - Nope, good, and they didn't have auto stamp tickets.

- And the cashier was only on site

between the hours of 6 AM and APM.

An off-duty hours a person would fill out a self-pay envelope and slide it into one of those metal lock boxes. They had two employees in the days after Halloween. Those guys also had shifts, and neither one of them took the car in.

- Meaning Tony arrived after hours. To figure out when the car was parked,

“Maldonado and his team could only work backwards”

from when it arrived at the impound lot. - Well, they'd do any car after 10 days in pay, but they did all their towing at the end of the month. - So all they had was the self-pay envelope. And unfortunately, the envelope was marked

in a madening way. - There was a date, 11/4 written in black ink. And then three days written in blue. - Kelty attendance said they'd often write an notation on the envelope based on the information

and the cash given.

But no one claimed either the three days

or the November 4 handwriting as their own. - Can you explain the paid-through thing super carefully, just so we have it? - Yeah, yeah. - Well, the initial assumption was that someone paid for three days and the 11/4 was the date of expiration

written down by an attendant. - So Tony showed up early morning November 1st. - But then, and this is really getting into the weeds, there is a good chance that whoever filled out the envelope put the date they poured in rather than the date they paid through.

- This was a common occurrence.

“As Monica reported in the Crest Democrat at the time,”

Kelty employees estimated that about, quote, a quarter of their customers misunderstood the instructions and would put the date of entry, allowing the amount of money inside to indicate when they were paid through.

- So, right, the person could have made it out of the way. - Which narrows the likely window of Tony pulling into the lock to November 1st before 6am with him eight hours of Anna last being seen. Or, sometime during the after hours of November 4,

12am to 6am or 8pm to 1159pm. - Mick is accounted for at both those times. - November 1, he's with two pair of parents, allegedly. Sure, yeah, allegedly. November 4, he's interviewed by Malvinato in the morning.

- And he joined the search party for Anna that afternoon. Bottom line, there was no time for him to be driving the San Francisco. It seemed like a dead end. Everything seemed like a dead end. And then, I saw that Mick posted something on X.

It was an announcement for an event, a panel. It was called "Raking Through AI and the Future of Online Advertising." And in the list of featured panelists, Mick Bowden from J. Light Industries. He was going to be at the LA Convention Center in two days.

- Okay, please don't do anything. - But it's open to the public. All I have to do was buy a ticket. And I think if he sees me in person, he can't avoid it anymore.

- Wait, and then he's just going to have his bodyguards stop you. - You think he has bodyguards? - I don't know how much is he. - It's pretty rich. - Right, so either way, you can sue you.

You can put you can ask to get a restraining order against you. - I knew Monica would do. - If you're not, you've got to go for this. Then what are we doing? - She'd go and confront him.

Just like she wanted me to confront Lockeland and Greer. Plus, I was still thinking about my conversation with Indie. - Dad, you should hope. You'll have to help. For the sake of my mental health, my family,

and my actual career, I needed to take a break from Anna Triner. I tried to move on. I really did. But then, I wanted to see the producers of the film I was supposed to be writing.

The ones that Chris helped me hold off. They wanted to have a drinks meeting, a chance to assure them that I was almost done with the script that in reality, I had maybe 30 pages written. Like a lot of L.A. meetings, I had to drive all the way

to Beverly Hills and pay for parking, which usually means a ballet. I pulled up, left my car out front and didn't think twice. - Okay. - Okay.

- Why did you do this? - It was going on. - When I got home that night, Alex was on the couch watching TV.

- I'm like, okay. - Okay. - So.

- You're shaking, what did I say?

“- No, no, no, no, no, it wasn't the meeting, it was fine.”

It was fine. Luckily, the producers barely talked about the script. We got off on a tangent about Lord of the Rings that took up most of the time. - It was the ballet part.

When I came out to get my car, I saw the posted pricing. It was $24, which, as suspected, is insanely high, but also, I wondered, why $24? Why not $20, even, or $25?

- They wouldn't take a credit card, right? - Okay. - Okay, but they charge $24. So, what do you have to do? - Okay, so I'm $24.

- No, if you don't have any ones, you give them to 20s, and they have to give you change. As I watched the guy counting out my change and occurred to me, this pricing was probably intentional. Because if they charged as 20, they wouldn't give any change,

but by charging $24, then you have somebody

“having to count out, you're dealing with,”

with ones and fives and tens, so it makes a tip more likely, right? - Yep. - Okay, which reminded me of the Kelty Law, where Anna's car was found, and they're pricing

of $7 a day. They intentionally picked an uneven number. - She can't do anything. - Which is the cell, so the cell pay envelope, where Anna's car was found.

- Ah, Jesus Christ, we're never getting back

to normal life, how are we? - When I woke up at five, the next morning, the day of the breaking through panel, I didn't make tea, and I didn't go to my computer to write. Instead, I loaded up my mics, my gear,

and I got my car, because it makes alibi, it was a no longer solid. (dramatic music) - In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze.

Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop.

“What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever?”

- I said I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing, and immediately the mask came off. - You're supposed to be safe. That's your home, that's your husband. - So keep this secret for so many years.

He's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage, but it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. - Your danger is person who prays un vulnerable and trusting people.

You're in private or make a love and good. - Listen to betrayal season five, on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. - I'm Nancy Glass, host of the burden of guilt season two podcast.

This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpride became the victim of a random crime. - He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground.

- He identified Termaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Termaine was sentenced to 99 years. - And like, Laura, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. - The best lie is partial truth.

- For 22 years, only two people knew the truth. Until a confession changed everything. - I was a monster. - Listen to burden of guilt season two on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. - I'm Clayton Eckard, and in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. - Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan.

He became the first bachelor to ever have his final rose rejected.

The internet turned on him. - If I could press a button and rewind it all, I would. - But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines? It began as a one-night stand

and ended in a courtroom, with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal. - The media is here. This case has gone viral. - The dating contract.

- Agreed to date me, but I'm also suing you. - We're such smart. - This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. - I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped.

This season, an epic battle of he said she said, and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. - I'm done nothing to get pregnant by the (beep) Brassler. - Listen to Love Trapped on the I-Heart Radio app,

Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 2023, a story gripped at the UK, evoking horror and disbelief. - A nurse who should have been in charge of caring

in modern British history. - Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict, a villain, a nurse named Lucy Leppi. - Lucy Leppi has been found guilty. - But what if we didn't get the whole story?

- At the moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses. - I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast doubt, the case of Lucy Leppi, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it.

To ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Leppi was. - No voicing of any skepticism are doubt. - It'll cause so much harm at every single level at the British establishment of this is wrong.

- Listen to doubt, the case of Lucy Leppi, on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. - All right, I am parked on the street across from the LA Convention Center.

- It was still dark out, I had found a load in zone. Here's my thinking, which I ran by Monica from my car.

“- We have no idea how much money was in the envelope, right?”

- No, no, right. But we know that Kelty considered on pay. - For 10 days, at least, by the end of November. - So three days would mean 21 dollars, but what happens if you only have a 20?

- You put in the 20? - You might write three days hoping you'd have the right amount, but then realize you only have a 20. And maybe you don't change what you wrote. You're hoping they let that one dollar slide.

- When they can be the third day, but they don't, they find you're on below, they count your money, they mark down the expiration based on what you paid two days. - Which means the person who parked in his car

could have pulled in on November 2nd. - A day, Nick, is on account of four. - Okay, a couple of SCBs just pulled up on there. Go see 'em. - Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick,

- No, no, sorry, I know them. - There actually was a guy who looked like a bodyguard. - Nick, it's right or strong. From submassible? - I felt horrible.

- I felt like paparazzi, like TMZ, just the worst kind of gotcha journalism, but I had to remind myself, I wasn't chasing down a Kardashian and Mick heard me. He couldn't avoid it.

- Could you guys do a link here about this? - I'm just trying to find out what happened to Anna. I'm not accusing you, or of course of, because that's bullshit. - Okay, fine, if it is, then you have nothing to hide, right?

Hey, look, I was Willow's best friend, man.

She never knew what happened to her sister.

- That's not my problem, okay? - Oh, well, hey, what was Operation Van Gogh? - Yeah, I was about to go. - Yeah, I was about to go. - Look, no, look, I have to take.

And so to the cops. So I know that you and Anna were planning something. - You don't know shit. - Wait, let's talk about it. You know, let's sit down and just stop.

- Yeah, stop. - We are not doing this like this.

“- Julie, Julie, please, okay, if you want to talk,”

you want to talk like a fucking person, man to man. - Right, happy to, thank you, okay? - Thank you. - Thank you for your time. - Thank you. - You had your time.

- Hi, yeah. - How are you? - I strongly suggest you consult

that you're never sleeping on someone before you.

- Wait, he said yes. - I don't know, it looks like it. - The woman Mick put me in touch with Julie, set up a time for an interview. - Oh, my God, though, it was truly horrible.

It was just the worst, like nobody would even look me in the eye. It was like, you know, I'm just the most annoying little, like a journalist. - Like a journalist. - Yeah, I mean, I remember your brother, Shala was cool.

- Mick met me at one of those generic rental offices. We work kind of space. - You know, look, I care about the people from back then. Let's that actually run another truth. That's the only reason I want to do this.

Oh, Julie is also going to be recording this. - So we talked on the phone. - Oh, are you going to, okay, yeah, cool. Are you a lawyer? - Yeah. - Hi.

- No, no, no, what do you think this is, like, some depth position? - No, I'm in public relations for Jaylight. - Is that a side of about 15 minutes for this? I may just interject.

- Okay, sure. - Okay, sure. - This is going to record because when you did this and make a sound like I said something,

I never said it, I got my own copy.

Fair enough, fair enough. - Julie had her phone with a mic attached. I suddenly wished I had someone with me too. I felt outnumbered. - Let's just start with some basic questions.

- But Mick was in playing. - Okay, there was no case. - Back then, there's no case now, sure.

“But I guess, well, do you remember seeing me that night?”

- Yes, of course. Yes, you and her sister. - Right, willow. And there was Chris Deletio or Ryan, my daughter.

- Right, yeah, he's Phantom of the Coffee Shopper.

- He came at me with the bat. Chris, swung in my head, took on my headlight. - Did we hit his car? - Yeah, yeah, I think that's right. - I went back and checked with Connor and Chris.

- Now, Willow told us that he had the ear tape, right? Or did she just tell us to like damage his car? - Man, I don't remember it all, honestly. - That's a soul. - That's all I remember.

Pretty simple soul. - Well, okay. But what I remember is that we were trying to get you

“to remember those are the facts, that's what happened.”

Came at me with a bat, took up my headlight.

- All right, well, we were just trying to get into your car.

So we weren't attacking you by any means. We were just trying to distract you, okay. Okay, let's talk about the party, the earlier that night. You got into a fight, with Anna, multiple people. I've said that you guys were screaming at each other.

So, where were you fighting about? - As I told the cops back then, I do not remember what the fight was about specifically. I do remember that she had been drinking a lot, which was a little common.

- No, I'm not here to disparage Anna in any way. - Even though she dumped you, dumped me, yeah. I mean, man, she was like, she moved on, she was sleeping around. She partyed at the year, remember that? - All right, that is nothing to do with me.

- And, you know, she had a reputation.

Everybody knew what she was doing. And yet, here you are, when she pages you, you're coming running, right? - Get, we're short, we're short. - All right, let me, okay, was empathetic to her situation.

- Sure, okay. - She was in a tough spot, she did not have a father figure in her life, she was living with us. Feminazi's, so yes, when she needed help, I would go out of my way to a sister.

- Okay, because you loved her? - I don't know what that even means, you know, when you're 18. - You don't know what love means? - I was.

- I had a girlfriend at the time. - Yes, right, but you didn't say that at the time, but you didn't call her your girlfriend. That's not what you said. Yeah, I can show you the transcript, okay?

“'Cause this is, this is actually kind of important.”

You were interviewed by Maldonato, and he asked you, is she your girlfriend, and he said no. - I'm sorry, this is from the transcript from the Sheriff's Department.

And then, she asks, or he asks you, is she hot? You're like, not even, not even hot, and then it is. Like, why did you go to her house, and you're like, oh, she was there, right? That's what you said at the time.

- What does this have to do with anything? - You tell me, man, like, this is like some me too, stuff, like, oh my god. - No, I think I think we're done here. - No, no, okay, so what did you do then?

I just tell me what you did. What happened? What's your version? - I got a page. Yeah, I went to pick up Anna to help her again.

- She wasn't there, right, and I left. - And then you went to pick up. - Yes, and then I went to pick up. - I'm not your girlfriend, and you don't even think is hot. Okay, and then two weeks later,

“she registers a new car, did you buy her a new car?”

- You think I bought a girl a car when I was 18. - Well, listen, I got the tape from her, okay. You know about this tape, right? - It's the tape that Anna made for you. - Okay, no, sorry, man, no, that's backwards.

Okay, you have that completely. - But you know what I'm talking about. - I found that tape in my car when Anna left it with a bunch of her books and crap, and when I heard it, that's when I knew she was banging some older guy.

That tape's not to me. - Whoa, hold on, she says your name, oh, she does this. - I had my computer with me, and I played in the clip. - Okay, did you listen to the whole tape? - Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

- Because what she's no idea how many times I've listened to. - Okay, she's using movie quotes throughout the entire year thing. - Yes, yes. - Okay, so from what true romance,

Mickey, natural born killers.

“- I suddenly knew what he was talking about.”

Mickey and Mallory Knox, from Natural Born Killers, the Oliver Stone movie. She wasn't saying his name. It was a mashup of quotes and characters. Sailor was from Wild at Heart, Mickey from Natural Born Killers,

and your so cool was from True Romance. All movies about passionate doomed lovers were running off together and becoming criminals, hitting the road. - Here we go, here we go. - Oh, this is great.

Now I'm glad I came and did this, look at you. You're freaking moron, okay? It's not to me. It's some guy, she even says they're not the same age.

I always said that she made that tape for somebody else,

an older guy, okay? I don't know who he is. I told him to look at the cult, leaners, the teachers, and there was that one freak

“that creeper, Jacob, who ran that senior--”

- What's in your mouth? - But no, we said they're just-- - We're talking to me. - You went, I'm sorry. - No, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

- I'm sorry. - We're done, we're done, we're done. - We're done, we're done. - All right, Julie, come on. - Was it really not to make?

- He said this thing last week, he said, "Oh, I'm glad you're 16, at least, "because I know it's 'cause you just want me to drive." But then, it also can't be true that age is a matter, which by the way, you say it all the time.

- How would I miss this? My big move, finding Mick, in front of him, was a complete waste.

I did finally feel like a journalist,

and I guess that means feeling alone, inconvenient, and feeling like everyone, the law, and the public, are against you. But finally, there was an upside to the podcast being public. - Right, or it's Laney Trainer.

I wasn't-- to be honest, I didn't want to call you back. - Yeah, it's been, I don't know, it's been years, decades. But it feels like nothing, when something like this, for me, this is yesterday, you know, this is yesterday, I had Willow and Anna, and yesterday,

I was kicked out of Maldonano's fucking office. Do you know that they called me hysterical? Did you know that? And then years, years, trying to get them, anybody to listen to me.

So, when Monica put out that story, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Yes, this is what I have been saying all along.

They didn't want to do their jobs. They didn't want to find her. They just wanted it to go away. Anyways, I called Monica a thank her, and she said that I should talk to you

in that, even if I didn't want to be recorded, that I should talk to you. So, here I am, Colin. I'm in Colorado. I don't want to send anything through the mail.

I'm not sending anything through the mail, but I have things. I have lots to show you. Things you need to see. Okay, call me that crayon.

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