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I love John. It goes on as hell. It is a thrill. People are cheering the John that you were here instead of John. We want John to be able to travel at a moment's notice.

There's a big country that needs a lot of John Favre so I'm happy to have a pale imitation of him. Not at all. Not at all. And improvement.

Many would say. A lot to talk about on today's show, Pete Higgseth is on the Hill trying to defend a war nobody wants. Trump is laser focused on his grudges and perceived enemies like Jimmy Kimmel and Jim Komi.

We've got a huge supreme court decision in the voting rights act and main governor, Janet Mills, dropping our Senate bid as well as a possible reboot of the apprentice. Then Tommy talks to Iowa Senate candidate Zach Walls. Before we get to all of that I just wanted to say thank you to every single one of you who have become subscribers for those of you who haven't.

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Okay, let's get to the news. The conservative super PAC Americans for press parity released a memo on Thursday warning that Republicans may lose the Senate if they don't sharpen their affordability message because according to their polling Democrats are now more trusted on prices in the economy. So as Donald Trump taking that advice, not so much, he spent this week.

Laser focus on one of his least popular programs, his vengeance tore against his political enemies. Let's start with Jim Komi.

The FBI announced on Tuesday that it had secured a second indictment against the former

FBI director. This time for, quote, "making threats against the president in a 2025 Instagram post featuring seashells." Here's Trump trying to explain this in the Oval Office on Wednesday. "Do you really think that he was endangering your life or threatening your life with that?"

Well, if anybody knows anything about crime, they know 86, you know, 86, it's a mob term for killing.

“People like Komi have created tremendous danger, I think, for politicians and others.”

He's a dirty cop. He's a crooked man. Alex, can you explain this indictment? First of all, I just want to say someone who's worked in restaurants. 86 means hold the mayo or whatever.

86, the mayo, 86, the chicken parm. It does not mean kill the chicken parm, just saying. Okay. Say this isn't a poor, your Jim Komi should hire you as a attorney. Well, I don't even think Jim Komi really needs an attorney here because I am fairly confident

that this is going to get dismissed. But what do I know? I just play a lawyer on TV and podcasts. And you'll remember the last ill-fated attempt to this administration made it in criminally finding Jim Komi guilty of any crimes.

That was the indictment secured. And I put that in quotes by, "unlawfully appointed Prosecutor Lindsay Halligan representing the Eastern District of Virginia. The judge in that case concluded that Halligan's indictment of Komi, which sought to find

“him guilty of lying to both Congress and this, I believe, the Senate Judiciary Committee.”

The judge tossed that indictment out because Ms. Halligan was unlawfully appointed to her post. Therefore, all matters flowing from that appointment were equally unlawful. It was clownish. But I do think the term "be clowned" itself belongs in this indictment because it is so foolish as to make clowns look like serious people.

I just, first of all, if you've read the indictment, it's like it's so short, it's a page.

Just can I read a little excerpt? Please, please do. Yes.

“On our about May 15th, 2025, in the Eastern District of North Carolina, James Bryan Komi”

did knowingly and willfully make a threat to take the life of and to inflict bodily harm upon the president of the United States, in that he publicly posted a photograph on the internet social media site Instagram, which depicted C-shells arranged in a pattern making

out 86-47 being Trump's number of Trump's second presidency.

86-47, which a reasonable recipient, who is familiar with the circumstances, would interpret as a serious expression of an intent to do harm to the president of the United States. To which I say, prosecutors would a reasonable recipient interpret a C-shell message on the beach as a serious expression of an intent to do harm to the president of the United States. It seems to me, Dan, and again, I'm not a lawyer.

But if you have the word C-shells in your indictment, you're already losing. Komi has said he did not actually even arrange the C-shells that he saw them on the beach and took a picture of them to Instagram, which makes me say, "Will the real beach mob boss please stand off?" That's like, who is this person, and will they come forward to, or are they going to let Jim

Komi take the fall for their sand art?

This thing is someone embarrassing, it's ridiculous, no one can actually believe that

this was a real threat that Jim can be making a real threat, it no matter how you interpret the number 86, it is ridiculous, I guess I will say, I have wondered what was going to happen to kidnap a serial killer used to cut out letters from magazines, like how were they going to survive in the post in a world after the death of print media, and the answer is C-shells.

Can I say, also the bar here is really high, there are previous cases that have been adjudicated at very high levels of our judicial system that give a lot of leeway for free speech for, including expressions of real intentional harm directed toward the president of the United States, and in North Carolina, I believe the criminal statute says that threats fall outside of protected speech only if they show the speaker had a reckless disregard for

the strong likelihood that his listeners would be incited to do harm to the president.

I mean, I am sorry, reckless disregard and beach calming don't go together.

This is embarrassing, this is like the air so scraping the bottom of the barrel in order to fulfill Trump's desire for Jim Comete to see the inside of a jail cell, like it is embarrassing. There are some reports today as well that they are in Virginia trying to make another run at Comete this time for leaking information from Congress, we'll see what happens

there, but like it's embarrassing. Can I just say if you haven't been paying attention to what is happening inside the Department

“of Justice at the level of the U.S. attorneys, you should.”

Jeffrey Tubin has an op-ed in the New York Times this week detailing some of the absolutely clownish people who are being tasked with carrying out this clownish, these clownish endeavors and they're literally like right-wing podcasters. I mean, there's a right-wing podcasters, the charge of the FBI is exactly right. And these people are so utterly unserious that I would say everybody gird your loins because

there's going to be more of this bullshit coming down the pike for as long as Trump's controlling the DOJ. I mean, let's not look down our nose at podcasters taking high level government positions just for that. Well, when you are Secretary of State, we'll all say, what a great turn of that.

I would say there are, I'm unlikely to get an appointment in any subsequent administration, but I would suggest that Secretary of State is quite low on the list. Okay, I mean, I can find many other cabinet agencies that you would be fit to, I mean, compare it, especially compared to, I don't know, literally every single appointee in the Trump administration.

That's fair enough. But I digress. These are clownish people doing clownish things and hopefully our judicial system will continue

“to do the important work that it's doing by dismissing them.”

Trump is also trying to take down Jimmy Kimmel again. As we talked about on Tuesday's show, the White House is pretending to be big mad about a joke. Kimmel may days before the Correspondence Center about Melania being an expectant widow. The FCC has now launched an early review of all of ABC's broadcast licenses.

They said this was part of a longer running anti-DI investigation by the context of this pretty clear. And the White House communication director did tweet that Kimmel is a, quote, "shit human being," and that ABC needs to fire him immediately and he should be shunned for the rest of his life.

Alex, what is going on here with the FCC? Is this a real threat? Well, I mean, yeah, it's a real threat insofar as the Disney's going to have to comply. But the FCC can do this, right? It's difficult, it's an unusual process, but they can absolutely do this, and they can make life expensive and challenging for Disney and its affiliates

And it is, I think, an escalatory move from the last time. The FCC took on ABC and Jimmy Kimmel, which was just to pull him off the air.

And I don't think it's a good development in terms of our democracy and the first amendment

and the freedom of the press and freedom of speech.

“So, I mean, I think it's definitely problematic, I think, though this time is a little”

bit different. First of all, Disney, I think, learned its lesson when everybody, a lot of people, who are Disney+ subscribers, started canceling their subscriptions, outraged over Disney, pulling Kimmel off the air for a week or however long it was. And I think also, these networks are understanding that if you allow own an administration

to terrorize you based on a whatever joke said on one of your broadcast networks, that is both the end of television and comedy. And neither of those things is good for business if you're broadcast network or an entertainment network. So, I think there's more, I would hope there's new, more fight in Disney's belly this

time around. And I think an early indicator of the change dynamics is the poster of the National Association of Broadcasters, which released a statement on, I think it was Wednesday, saying effectively what the FCC is doing here is bogus. And if it wants to do this to Disney ABC, then we're all, you know, that equally affects

us. So, you know, an opening salvo against Disney is an opening salvo against all of us, which

“I think is, you know, it's a hopeful sign that corporate America has learned some lessons”

since 2025, when everybody was taking the knee to Donald Trump and his winged monkeys as they sat to terrorize them and encourage them to be, you know, pledge allegiance to Donald Trump. Yeah, I mean, I think in the end of the day, nothing bad is going to happen to ABC here other than that, like you said, they're going to have to work a little harder to get a

result here. We're going to get anyway. But there is a chilling effect from this sort of action from the FCC. It sends a message and it, like, if you're a Jimmy Kimlin, your ABC, you feel pretty good about what's going to happen here.

You have the power to fight back. If you're a smaller network, you may not.

If you're someone who does not have Jimmy Kiml's cloud image, you become, was basically

known as the mayor of Hollywood, he's so popular, then it could cause you to think twice before you say certain things or do certain things, or it could cause the executives at smaller networks or maybe networks who have more in front of Trump like at Paramount, who have more stake in what the Trump administration does than ABC does to take it, kill a story.

The thing is, we know about the jokes that happen or the stories that happen in the comments that happen, that then get some response. We don't know about the stories in the jokes that don't happen because people are afraid of the response. And that is ultimately what Ben and Karis trying to do here.

“Can I say, though, I think there is one reality that corporate America is particularly”

unique and increasingly acutely aware of, which is the house is likely to change hands. And the Senate could change hands. And 2028 isn't that far off if you're a corporate executive who looks at things in multi-year forecasts.

And the reality is that these Paramount is a great example.

They have so alienated themselves from the party that is likely to take power, at least in the legislative branch in the coming year, that they have some work to do. And the more they make these arrangements with the Trump administration, the more they do the bidding, the more they're going to have to go to the hill and testify as to how this isn't a corrupt practice.

And I think that they're going to have to -- I think they understand that there's going to be a call for some accountability on this, which I do think is why you have, for example, Paramount has done every bent over backwards for this administration. But Nora O'Donnell, who is on CBS, who is part of 16 minutes, has asked Trump some probably of the toughest questions that any journalists has asked him in the last month, relating

to his role in the Epstein files in the wake of the White House correspondent's shooting. So I think -- or attempted shooting. I mean, I just think I'm not like a corporate steward here, Dan. But I'm not suggesting that. I'm not suggesting that.

No, I'm not suggesting that. No, I'm not suggesting that. No, I'm not suggesting that. No, I'm not suggesting that. No, I'm not suggesting that.

No, I'm not suggesting that. No, I'm not suggesting that. No, I'm not suggesting that. No, I'm not suggesting that. No, I'm not suggesting that.

No, I'm not suggesting that. No, I'm not suggesting that. No, I'm not suggesting that. In terms of business, at some point, he becomes deadweight. And these kinds of fights are only going to -- I mean, I think you can only wage the month

Trump's behalf for so long before you're actually putting yourself in harm's away. Yeah, I think that's true. I think hopefully people are beginning to realize that we're going to get to an exception on this later in the podcast when it comes to the Amazon corporation. But it even takes the neurodonal -- like, the neurodonal -- she did a good job.

If she asked the tough questions, she -- like, that was an uncomfortable situation to begin. And she persevered through it.

You know, there was -- the Trump everyone was using back in the day. It was like saying Washington to make him sound more normal, and -- but there's apparently a lot -- you know, according to this one report, a lot of stuff that would have been not good for Trump that did not get in that. Then I was that because that was a legitimate journalistic decision about how to fit this

interview into this, you know, the awaited chunk.

“Is it because they have already been sued by Trump for various legal issues?”

I look forward to that. I mean, I know they got sued for this exact thing.

When will Kamala Harris sue -- CBS for whatever $38 million because it's deemed election interference

in the 2020 election. I don't know. Honestly, that would be one of the best things she has done since the election. It would be very popular. [ Music ]

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rewarding Trump's effort by sticking around the building longer, let's take a listen. After my term as chair ends on May 15, I will continue to serve as a governor for a period of time to be determined. These legal actions by the administration are unprecedented in our 113th year history, and there are ongoing threats of additional such actions.

I worry that these attacks are battering the institution, I will not leave the board until the investigation is well and truly over with transparency and finality, and I stand by that. Trump, of course, responded on true social, Jerome, too late, Powell wants to stay at the Fed because he can't get a job anywhere else, nobody wants some, Alex, did you ever

think that Jerome Powell would be the hero we were waiting for? Is this decision really a big deal? Oh, yeah, I mean, listen, I think Jerome Powell, and I know this sounds pretty heavy handed, but I do think he represents, as we talk about resistance to or 3.0, he is the face of a different kind of resistance warrior, which is someone you have a Jerome Powell bubble head.

I mean, it's still at the factory, Dan, it takes a minute because of the straight

But Jerome Powell, you know, his refusal to go quietly into the night, I think really has

provided a template for many other kind of conservative institutionalists who would never

stick their next out to say, fuck no, and the fact that he is refusing to leave as a governor of the fed is a real fuck you to Trump who, you know, I mean, and also a, I who knew Jerome

“Powell was as tenacious, like what a pain in the ass it must be to be Jerome Powell, right?”

Like, the dude doesn't need to work again, I mean, and he certainly could get another job, but the fact that he is sitting there largely to be a thorn and Trump side and show to the incoming director of the Fed Kevin Worsh, what resistance and an independent autonomous body looks like that is super important, and like hats off to Jerome Powell on Angel's wings, go get it. Yeah, I mean, it's the reason why it's specifically important is it's a nice Trump

of another vacancy on the deadboard. Yes, that too. And this, I think this has a couple of things. One, he Jerome Powell knows how power is deployed and how to use it, and this gives him leverage over Trump for the investigation, because the original investigation was dropped because Tom tell us would not approve Kevin Worsh as the next Fed share until the investigation into Jerome Powell was dropped by the DOJ, the fact that you can just drop the investigation at the

whim of a senator suggests it was not that serious investigation to begin with, but of course we knew

“that. And it also, I think, says something about how Jerome Powell feels about Kevin Worsh,”

or at least some fears that Kevin Worsh is might be more of a Trump stooge than he suggested in his hearings, and so he wants to be there to keep an eye on him. So I think hats off to Jerome Powell. This is Jerome Powell, we salute you. Really, honestly, get Tony to couple on the line. Can I say one other thing? And that is, don't forget that Jerome Powell was appointed by Donald Trump. Yes, he was. So maybe whatever magic, you know, Jerome Powell has in his fingertips can be

sprinkled on to Kevin Worsh as he takes the reigns of the Fed. Well, from your, from your lips to Kevin Worsh's ears. Okay, one last thing on the Department of Justice, as we discussed, Trump is trying to use the Correspondence Dinner Attack to justify building his barrum, which is his true passion project. The Department of Justice filed a brief on Monday, asking you a judge should dismiss the lawsuit that's holding up construction.

I think you noted that the language in the filing was a bit unusual. So to speak, what do you know? Well, can I just read you a little bit from this, for people who haven't, you would be second legal document reading of the podcast. I mean, I just listen, I play, I play Andrew Weissman on this point. Watch out, watch out, strict scrutiny. Watch out, Kate Shaw, the Ellittman, Melissa Murray. Okay, this, this filing is like,

I mean, literally, it was dictated by Donald Trump. If not actually written by Donald Trump, and then just printed out on DOJ letterhead, like, here's some of the language in it, relating to the ballroom. If any other president had the ability for sight or talents, necessary to build this ballroom, which will be one of the greatest safest and most secure structures

of its kind anywhere in the world, capital W on world. There would never have been a lawsuit.

But because it is all caps, Donald J. Trump, a highly successful real estate developer who has abilities that others don't, especially those who assume the office of president, this frivolous and meritless lawsuit was filed. Again, it's called all caps, Trump, derangement syndrome. On top of everything else, this project is a gift to our country from president Trump and other donors. It is free of charge to the American taxpayer.

Who could ever object to that? A lot of title case in there that I didn't get into, because it just was becoming too much. But clearly, you know, if you're wondering whether Todd Blanche wants to be attorney general, this kind of thing is the only proof you need. And if you weren't, we're wondering if literally the dumbest people in the world, maybe now populating our department of justice, here's confirmation that the dumbest people in the world are

“perverting our justice system to be an ego boost for Donald Trump. I guess the best thing I”

can say about Donald Trump is that his desire for the ball remiss is most authentic self. It is still remains wild to me that after someone brought a gun to potentially try to assess

Donald Trump, his first instinct, right? Like a more magnanimous person would call for national unity,

call for the toning down of political rhetoric would look inward at perhaps the things they had said the way they celebrated the deaths of their political enemies, the riot they sparked at the capital, the calls for the hanging of their vice president, it would have done those things, or a cynical person would use it to advance their political agenda in some way, shape or

thing he truly wants more than anything else. It's a thing he cares about, it's a thing he's obsessed with. It is very, very strange. It is quite unpopular. It is a gift to Democrats. It is just like a god bless him for doing it. I hope he does it all the time. I hope he runs a ballroom fall campaign. I hope he tours ballrooms in the battleground states. I hope he brings swing voters to a round table where they discuss the marble to be used in the ballroom. I hope they do all of those

things like more ballroom, the better Donald Trump. Just to note to the point of how unpopular it is, the Washington Post is out with a poll today showing Americans reject Donald Trump's planned ballroom.

“I believe by a two to one march and down. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. It's not like”

second to let the public stand in the way of his borrowers. No, sir. Oh, and then reason, financial,

politics, reason, law, none of it will stand in the way of this ballroom. Speaking of affordability, Pete Hankseth was on the hill on Thursday for a second day of testimony defending a war that has now driven the price of gas to an average of four dollars and 30 cents a gallon. Of course, Hankseth was this typically modest and can trade self. Here's a sampling. Many congressional Democrats as I pointed out want to declare defeat two months in.

Iraq to comedy years Afghanistan to comedy years and there were nebulous missions that people went along with. This is different. The biggest adversary we face at this point are the reckless, feckless, and defeatist words of congressional Democrats and some Republicans got a speaker. You just got a monologue falsehoods all over the place. It's not a falsehood. We moved 7500 troops.

We're all in the United States on the intel. It's the most important thing. It's what's happening.

It's yet another gotcha hypothetical, which is your special. It's not tell the American people will you deploy the uniform military to our polls to collect voter rolls or machines. Are you accusing me of performing? Because you're performing for cable news right now.

“What's it out to you from the two days of hearing? How do you think Democrats did overall?”

You know, I love these hill hearings. It's fresh. Well, just because they were, I mean, if you needed any more evidence that this is a group of idiots and steuges and corrupt actors who pop you out as if you were to have all back together. And by the way, it's like, it's a curse actually going up to the hill because you see who's gone up and like they've been

some early dismissed shortly thereafter. And the headset is always on the nice, right? I mean,

Bondi, no, now hegg Seth. Amazing that this is the first testimony that he's given in the 60 days of this war, near 60 days of this war. I was struck by his importance. I mean, duh, but it is so galling in a moment when a war is being conducted at the expense of the American taxpayer in America's name and his killing American service members. The idea that you as a secretary of defense would go up there and have an attitude towards lines of questioning about how much the

war cost that you wouldn't be transparent about how American lives have been lost. And would just offhandedly mention that there was a 14th casualty as if that wasn't a big deal for 14th American casualty, I should say. And just utterly, you know, refused to recognize that the people who decide whether any of this is worth it, the people who decide whether they want to pay for it are not the secretary of war, not the secretary of defense. The American people and these are their elected representatives

“asking legitimate lines of questions about what's happening. And I, I just, I think it's, it's all”

fucked, but this, in particular, this war is so fucked and so not what the American public wants, that to not even begin to try and sell it or explain what is happening is such a betrayal of the sort of foundational parts of our democracy. The other piece of it I would say, Dan, is just the corruption inside that Pentagon is really obvious, right? Like, there are two lines of questioning today when he's up at the Senate, he's asked, or actually, I think yesterday as well, he was asked

about his special advisor Tim Parlatory, the president's former personal lawyer, who is clearly representing either unsavory people or foreign actors in his private law practice, but now through a slight of hand, is a senior advisor at the Pentagon and has access to classified information. Hexeth knows this is a liability, he knows there's something very crooked in all of this and refused to really answer any questions or shed light on that arrangement. And then hexeth

was asked about, oh, from Elizabeth Warren today, about stock trades that happened right before the Pentagon announced, uh, we were going to, we were attacking Iran. And hexeth refused to answer any questions about people inside the DOD who might be profiting off of Trump's catastrophic war in the Middle East in Iran. Um, there's so much bad stuff happening at the Pentagon, it's hard to

that hexeth says, which is that in his mind, he is not accountable to Congress, he's not accountable

to the Senate that approved his nomination, he's not accountable to the American people, he's not accountable to the Constitution, he is accountable only to Donald Trump and no one else. And the way in which he, like, this is all a performance for Trump. That is who it is for, if that is what he is trying to do, he's trying, he knows he is on, he's kind of on thin ice because Trump is repeatedly pointed out that going to war with his Pete Hexeth's idea, which is usually the sign that Donald Trump is looking

for someone to take blame for his own popular idea. He knows, like, he definitely knows down deep in that very vacuous soul of his that he is totally in over his head. Like, he is for he's trying so hard not to look like he is scared shitless that he looks scared shitless to be in this job.

“I do this is not an important part, but I do think it's funny that in that part where he”

declares like this should not be washed over that the greatest adversary, the American military faces is not Iran, it's not or some of Iran's allies around the world who are helping them in this war like Russia, it is democratic members of Congress for the rhetoric. But in doing that, what is the best part about that is is that he says in there, at this point, as if they went through the testimony and they were like, look, we need a caveat in here just in case another threat

and merges, we must say, at this point, like it is, it's bit, the whole thing is fucking bananas every time he speaks. It is like, it is an embarrassment to the Pentagon, to the country, to the troops who us who serve at his command, it is just, it is terrible. I will say, I thought it was great that the Democrats, I mean, it's not that, these people happen to be on these committees, so it's not like they were championed by leadership, but that

you had so many veterans who know from combat, whether it's Mark Kelly and Alyssa Sladkin or Jason Crowe, who were incredibly tenacious, Pat Ryan, these people know what war is and they know what the

“battlefield is and for them to be going after and really pointed and I think they're clearly very”

angry for them to be exasperated and outraged with headset, I think is meaningful and it's also a different side of the Democratic Party, right? Like we just attend to so big, but you know, you can be, I don't know, I think it's a good moment for Democrats when that is the sort of juxtaposition. You know, everyone has been Trump ran as the no wars president. He's been very, very sensitive to the political costs of these wars that there has been this question. Why did this happen? And

Ashley Parker and Mike Sheer of the Atlantic had an incredible piece of this week called the

yellow presidency that kind of answers the question and they quote someone close to Trump saying this. He's been talking recently about how he is the most powerful person to ever live. He wants to be remembered as the one who did things that others couldn't do because of his sheer power and force of will. This includes Iran, according to sources in the story, Trump doesn't care about losing the house. He only slightly worries about losing the Senate because it would mean a longer

“impeachment trial. What did you think of this piece? It's like, I think my favorite piece that I read”

this week. It's so, it is full bonkers. You mentioned that Trump is his full self when he's talking about ballroom renovations. He's his full self when he's in like home renovate. He is according to this reporting walking around gluing challenge coins as military commemorative points. He's gluing challenge coins to the doors of the White House to various offices in the administration in the White House. Like an old grandpa, just like dusting office fishing rods to put on display in the garage.

I mean, it's literally the idea that Trump has just has forsaken political reality and doesn't give a shit about the midterms or the legislative branch. And instead, things of himself as a man who is embarked on a great mission. Allah Alexander the Great Napoleon and Julius Caesar. Those are

the three great men mentioned in this piece. Like, first of all, I guarantee you that Julius

Caesar Alexander the Great and Napoleon Bonaparte could get the motherfucking straight of Hormuz open. Okay? They're like the greatest military tacticians in world history. The idea that Trump puts himself on that level is both deluded and dangerous. And it should inform our thinking about any kind of quote unquote strategy that comes from this White House. Right? It is a cult. It is no longer, you know, he's not the head of a party. He's just, um, I mean, he is in the worst

way in the way that dictators care only about their legacy and no longer about the country or the republic or whatever it is that they're governing. That's Trump. I mean, it's it's there. There's he doesn't care about. He did apparently didn't care about his running mate in 2024 because he said at one point in the article, who cares? All be dead. I don't care about what happens to maga after. I mean, just think about that as the organizing principle. Next time you wonder why Trump's doing

that something is so obviously, can't, it is going to disable his party in the coming midterms

post for a long time North Atlantic now. They're, they're, they're great reporters and great writers.

“The, the funny part of the piece is it begins with this, um, rhetorical question about whether”

Trump has been reading the works of Hagle because of Hagle's theory of world historical individuals, like sort of great man theory. And obviously, Mike and Ashley don't think that, uh, Trump is doing that. But in the piece, it says, like they asked a, some Trump ads if, uh, he'd been reading Hagle and they all sort of laughed with the idea that Trump's not much of a reader, which I know we know that, but there just is something very concerned about the fact that the president doesn't read.

Yeah. Right. It is a read books. It doesn't read briefings. Yeah. It doesn't read. He kind of reads the New York Times, I guess. I mean, it was Gantza headlines. Gantza, he has a human printer print out the, the headlines that are favorable to him. He is an, a fundamentally incary as person, but it's more than that. The self absorption has reached true malignant narcissism and we're just all long for the ride down. We're just long for the ride. That's it. And what a bumpy ride it's been.

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Even as Trump is dead said on doing unpopular things like focus on the ballroom and they were in Iran. The Supreme Court's Conservative Majority in Florida Republicans are riding to his rescue. In a ruling on Wednesday the Supreme Court threw out Louisiana's congressional map and hollowed out the Voting Rights Act even further. Louisiana's Republican governor announced on Thursday that the state will delay its house primaries on May 16th in order to redraw

the map, which could see at least one majority black district drawn out of existence. In her descent, which he read from the bench, Justice Kagan wrote, "The court's decision will set back the foundational right Congress granted of racial equality in electoral opportunity and said that it would have grave consequences.

“Alex, what do you make of this ruling?" I think the ruling is important because it is a statement”

from the highest court in the land about racism and what the court believes about the lawfulness of measures to combat racism, right? Effectively, the court says, "Gerrymandering is fine if it's

partisan gerrymandering, never mind if that partisan gerrymandering has explicitly racial and racist

undertones." Adam Sarwar writes so beautifully and compellingly about the court and race in America and his assessment of this, I think, is worth noting. Sarwar states that the court has ruled that the state is oppressive when it interferes with the right to discriminate and respects liberty when it allows discrimination. And I think that's totally true, right? That it's trying to disenfranchise

But preventing Louisiana from disenfranchising black voters, that is racist because it ultimately

redounds to the disadvantage of white people. Like it is so the logic here is so upside down and at first of all, it odds with how we understand racism in America to say nothing of public opinion. Did you know Dan that 50% of black America lives in the South? I mean, the implications for this

“are vast, right? Like in Louisiana has, I think, a third of the population is black and it's,”

you know, they're trying to create two majority black districts out of six. And what the court has done here is just a wholesale inversion of, first of all, what Congress intended in its reauthorization of the Voting Rights Act and the 1980s, we're not going to, I mean, we don't need to get into this sort of intent versus effects piece of this, but nonetheless, the Supreme Court, which when convenient differs to Congress, has chosen to completely upend congressional intention here, which is pretty

clear, in furtherance of a project that began decades ago and which San Toledo and Clarence Thomas and John Roberts were all a part of when they were young staffers and a young judge during the Reagan years. And like the project of unwinding civil rights progress, the project of reversing attempts to make a more equitable society has long been one of the foundational goals of the right wing movement that began in the wake of, you know, the 1960s and 1970s. So like,

congrats, I guess, to the Roberts Court for doing this, this is like a real dismantling of civil rights progress and we'll have vast repercussions, not just electronically, but for our society, when you disenfranchise 20% of this country will also affect Latinos and Asians and states like California, when you disenfranchise people of color in this country, you have a less representative

“democracy, you have a less just country, you don't have the America that I think we all aspire to.”

There's so much to say about this really, and I'll get to the political impacts in a second, but John Roberts, who has gotten a bit of an improved reputation over the years about some of the rulings and the tariff case a couple other anti-Trump ones, but long before Trump, John Roberts' main project, as Chief Justice was the dismantling of the voting rights act, through these decisions, she'll be kind of a soldier. There's Born of Itch, there's now this one. This is just

really one of the most important pieces of rights legislation in American history. Like in this,

all the headlines are like they hollowed out, which I said here, they limited. That is maybe true in the words of the leader used, but in actual practice, they struck down section two as we understand it. The ability to, like what was left here is they allowed partisan gerrymandering as a principle in Shelby County, now what they have done is essentially said that the last possible way in which you could stop prevent gerrymandering, which was designed, and inherently always will,

dilute the power of black voters. If you were trying to dilute the power of Democratic voters in a state, the way in which you do that is you dilute the population that votes at 80 to 90 percent for Democrats. And so they say they're now saying that is okay, that is what is happening here.

There's dramatic implications, as you say Louisiana, 30 percent of its population is black. They're

going to only have one representative at best when this is over. In several states, like Alabama and Mississippi, after this is all said and done, at some point in the future, we'll have no black representatives, even though they have 30 percent of their population is black. They are going to eliminate the Democratic delegations in most southern states because of this. They are going to cut down the number of black members in places like North Carolina and elsewhere,

and by some estimates, 30 percent of the congressional black caucus would be gone if the Republicans push forward with two maximum advantage on a, with jury-mandering with these new laws.

“So the question is, in this midterm, what is the actual impact?”

The Republicans are going to get one more seat out of Louisiana. I think they're, we're going to be talking about the map in Florida, but this is going, this gives more legal cover to what's a pretty illegal map in Florida. And then in Tennessee, there are handful of states because this is coming so late in the cycle, there is limits of what Republicans can do. The following deadlines have passed in all 50 states.

Many states have held their primaries, other states have held their, not held their primaries, but early voting has already started. And so it's very likely we create mass chaos to do, to redraw the maps of this relationship game, but there are some places where they can do it. Tennessee is one of those places. There was one Democratic district in Tennessee, Steve Cohen, in the Memphis Area, I believe, host it or represents it. The Trump spoke to the governor of

Tennessee today to get tried and encourage him to redraw the maps before the election. Marshall Blackburn, who was the center from Tennessee, who's running for governor in Tennessee,

in South Carolina. I'm not sure to be able to do that. In Georgia, we're early voting has started.

“It started this week, I believe. There are some Republicans calling for a special session to”

redraw the maps. Would brain camp do that? I don't know, but it's going to help Republicans in the selection with the longer term consequence is a house that's going to be less democratic, small-d, less democratic, big-d, it's going to be much wider, which one of my sub-sex subscribers have to be like adding white food coloring to mayonnaise. Which, I thought, very fun. Not only. We're not talking about helmets. We're talking about super white helmets mayonnaise.

And it's like this is terrible for democracy. And it's going to mean going forward a structural advantage for Republicans in the house that is akin to the one they currently hold in the Senate.

Can Democrats take the majority under that scenario? Absolutely. We might win enough seats this

time to do that even under a post- Supreme Court decision map. But you're going to need a bigger wave every time to do it. This is a very, very bad decision in the long run. I don't think it's not going to cost us the house this election, but it's definitely, but it's going to hurt in the long run. Can I ask, I mean, because I'm a loyal message box subscriber, a paid subscriber as all true Americans should be. And you said it, I'll quote you, Dan, pretend you're still talking.

Your documents and message box in the Senate. Listen, I came with bucket receipts, dude. What do you did? You think I'm going to fave room my way through this? I show up when Dan fight for us. I'm going to be his guest on Pods AM America. Pretending we're still playing

the old game as how we lose the house for a generation. Every governor's race, every state

legislative chamber, every secretary of state contest in 2026 is now a redistricting fight, act accordingly. Mike, drop, okay. Those are good marching orders. If you weren't fired up about a secretary of state contest in your state, get fucking excited, because it matters. And it's, and this is going to mean that Democrats across the country are going to have to do what Democrats in Virginia and California did, which is they're going to have to redraw their

maps to maximum effect. That's going to mean Illinois, New York, Maryland, where there was resistance this time. And states that have redished anti-Gerrymandering ballot initiatives or constitutional amendments, we should try to undo those if they were in blue states like this is

“and the high row. I think German, Germany is bad. It is. But we have to do this up until the moment”

where we have enough power to pass a national ban on partisan gerrymandering like and just worth remembering every single Democrat voted for a bill that would ban national gerrymandering and every single Republican voted against a national ban on gerrymandering. So can I ask something even more explosive than this? Yes, of course. I know you're looking at Republican state houses, but what about the Republican Supreme Court? Is it time to think about this body of this body

is so undec-- I understand they are constitutionally outlined to have these powers. But what the court is doing is so undemocratic. And I think Alito and Thomas, or Alito or Thomas, could retire at the end of this court term and allow Trump to appoint two Zygotes and solidify a conservative majority. Six against the Zygotes are human beings. And like should there not be a conversation if Democrats retake power around court reform? Yes, 100%. I thought that we should have undertaken

that effort when we had power in 2021. Now we didn't have enough Democrats to give it to the filibuster to do that. And there certainly wasn't support for court expansion. But like this is one of those things that I don't think we need to run on. But once we do win, we should do it, which is like there should we should look at term limits. We should look at court expansion. There should obviously be a could of ethics for these corrupt assholes who were doing things.

Like, yes, this is a gigantic problem. And long after Trump has moved on to work full-time on ballrooms and home-runner projects at Marlaga, his legacy for decades afterwards is going to haunt us because of this court. And so every option should be on the table to deal with that. If you're wondering how we got to this point where so many conservatives populate our federal judiciary and our highest court in the land, I have a book coming out this fall that details

the rise of all of it. Well, Alex, what's your book called? It's called The Steel.

“The Steel and Ken people preorder it now. I believe they can, although I think I'm supposed to be”

doing some swishy roll out for all of it on social media. But yes, if you Google Alex Wagner, The Steel, I have a cover here somewhere. Anyway, it's coming out September 15th. I think I should relate. Do you know what the number one item on everyone's swishy book roll out for liberal political books is? Possibly America. Oh, okay. Actually it's Heather Kirkland. That's a wrap for Heather

on it. You're hosting it. Good Lord. God, this is everyone going to preorder it. Go Google this. Good, don't think this is the only promotion we're doing for that book on this show. But I respect the time that we're all plotting to book promotion right now. Trust me, as someone who is written three books, since I've been a Puzzle America co-host, I can, I can shake a stick at no one's book

promotions, because mine have been quite limitless. And quite, I basically annoyed people into buying

“my books. No, you're not working. You should try. All right. Also, on Wednesday, just to add to the”

bad news here, Florida Advancets, a aggressive new congressional map, which could net Republicans foreseats in the house. There's been some speculation that this new map will be a quote, "decent as a dummy mander." What do you make of that? Um, I, I, I, I, I meant a lot of shit. I meant to look up meatball Ron, and whether that was his nickname, and I didn't do it. That was a, it was a, I looked it up. It was a private nickname that Trump was reported to use Ron. I'm not, I don't

know if it ever made it to truth social, but he, it was worth reporting. I expect all bad things to come out of Florida. Are you asking me whether, I mean, like, do you think, do I think this

is going to happen? Yes. I, I think this is going to happen. I think we should expect the worst

crazy shit to emanate from Ron to Santa's Florida. So, this is no exception. Yeah. So, a dummy mander is a term of art for when, and it's okay. No, no, I'm happy to jump into it. The dummy mander is a term of art for when the new map performs worse than the old map. And so, there's some question here, because most experts thought that the Santa's could add two seats safely. And once you add four seats, you're at risk of spreading the peanut butter tooth in here. So, the

math of gerrymandering is, or redistricting is pretty simple. You have a static number of Republican

“voters to make more Republican districts. You must move them out of safer Republican districts”

and put them into Democratic districts. Then you must take those Democratic voters and move

them from Democratic districts and put them into Republican districts. And if you do that poorly,

then you put a bunch of seats at risk. I don't know if this will be a dummy mander, but the seats that the way the Santa just did this is he did not shore up the two most vulnerable Republicans in the in Southern Florida. And there's four new safe seats are probably not even going to be ranked safe by the political report. They're probably lean Republican at best, or like maybe likely they're probably going to end up being about seats that Trump won plus nine in 2024. And that's

within the realm of what is possible for Democrats. The other thing here that I think is just worth noting is the, we're using the 2024 results in Florida as the baseline for how safe the seats are. The Trump won Florida by like 13 points. And but that was because which is a huge margin.

“The gigantic margin of what was like the prototypical swing state for many, many races”

is Trump won because he won Latinos by 13 points in 2024. To give you a sense of how nuts that is he only he lost them by five in 2020 and he lost them by 27 in 2016. So we're we think there's a 40 points swing over the last eight years of among Latinos in Florida. And there's a mountain of evidence, both in polling and in election results in Florida and elsewhere that 2024 was an outlier in terms of Latino support. So if you really do in the Latino vote

in Florida, as much as you incredibly complicated because it's very diverse. So it's not, you can't just look at numbers in other parts of the country and transposed them to Florida. But there is there is risk here that if Latinos really are swinging back to Democrats, if not the 2016 levels, but close to that, then some of these seats Republicans are counting on May turn out to be Democratic. So there's there's some risk here for me, Paul. Me, me, Paul, and and also Mike Johnson,

another person. Yes, me, Paul. Another, a different, a slimmer, a more petite people. A bit spectacle, me, Paul. I'm not even going to give him a slimmer. All right. As we know, as we know, Dan Rotten to sand is a petite man, but anyway. He's he's short. And but he will use some lifts and his boots to see him a little to improve his stature. All right. Speaking of elections, on Thursday morning, main governor Janet Mills

surprised many by suspending her Senate campaign, citing a lack of financial resources, that paves the way for Graham Plattener, who's been consistently around 30 points ahead of Mills and the polls to become the presumptive Democratic nominee for the Senate seat where he'll face Susan Collins. Alex, you and I have talked about the main race once or twice on some podcasts over the last few months. What do you make of Mills's decision to drop out before any

votes were cast? I mean, I just think what are the fucking chances that you and I would be recording pods of America together, the day the Janet Mills dropped out. It's like someone has

That is the great defender of Janet Mills. I've just been asking some questions and not in the

vein of Tucker Carlson, about the way we talk about women with experience who are older and just, you know, whether in fact Graham Plattener, who is an incredibly dynamic political figure, who has run a really interesting, I would say, innovative campaign, but whether that's going to pass muster with the crazy mainers who are going to decide whether Susan Collins is going back to the Senate. So, I'm just asking questions. Now, it is unquestionable that like Democratic primary voters wanted

“Graham Plattener to be the nominee. And I think, you know, he clearly earned it. The fact that”

Janet Mills came into the race the way she did and I know you have lots of thoughts on this,

well, with D.S.E.C. backing and Chuck Schumer, you know, tells you and you wrote a message box

about this. I don't want to, I don't want to encroach on your in-law. I'm afraid to quote from it if you'd like to. Well, I didn't think it was, I ran out of cut past room on my documents. Yes, fair enough. You know, it says a lot about the state play inside the party and what, you know, the liabilities attached to institutionalists and the desire for new blood and a new DNA. And I get that, you know, I am a warrior and I do worry, I mean, Susan Collins

is been thus far. She is our iron lady, right? Isn't that what they called thatcher? And, you know, she is a special place in my heart for her vote putting Brett Kavanaugh over the top as she claimed

“there would nothing bad would happen to Roviway. She's betrayed her label as a moderate and is”

an independent countless times when it really mattered. And, you know, I don't think she deserves those labels at all. So, I would love to see someone else replace Susan Collins. I do worry, you know, Graham Platner has a lot that there are a lot of dynamics. There's a lot of weather that converges over that candidacy, but at the same time, he's doing things I think for the party, especially as a veteran, talking about the Iran War and a really important and compelling and

foundational way. He's established a dialogue that I think is missing from a lot of parts of party leadership, or you don't hear from party leadership. So, I'm hopeful that he can inject some real life into not just the party, but the political conversation if he does get elected. So, that is me waving the white flag, saying I was wrong in thinking that Janet Mills would gain more traction or

“had like some secret support somewhere in the state. I think, and let me come to your defense here,”

because the way we've had this debate on Puzzle America long time ago, we had this debate a couple times on political experts react and it's been, I think it's overly simplified as Alex is pro-genit Mills and Dan is pro-grand Platner. At no point in this, did you argue that Janet Mills was going to win the primary? Like, the conversation you and I've had has been about grand Platner's electability, and which I think is remains another question. We don't know if he's electable

to the actually wins, and there's obviously a dump truck's worth of opposition research based on the tattoo, on his online post, and we do not know yet how that's going to play. As you point out, I think there are some takeaways from this, like it is, it's not surprising that Janet Mills dropped out, because she had clearly was losing by a lot and was out of money. She had stopped running TV ads and even stopped running the Facebook ads. You run to raise money.

So, like, you are really out of money when that happens. But it is, like, if you take a step back, like the idea that the two-term incumbent governor of the state endorsed by the DSCC and endorsed by Chuck Schumer has to drop out a month before the election is sort of a, like, that seems, that's shocking, right? Sign of the times. But it, you're right, it is a sign of the

times. It is, like, Janet Mills is 78 years old. She will be 85 at the end of her first term. She

said she was only going to serve for one term. Now, Janet Mills is not Joe Biden. I interviewed Janet Mills. She seemed nothing like Joe Biden certainly, the Joe Biden on that debate stage. But she was paying a price for Joe Biden, right? Just a, in a Democratic establishment, a 78-year-old establishment politician endorsed by the same establishment politicians who told everyone that Joe Biden was good to go. It's, like, that's too much of a burden for someone to overcome

in a post-Trump and a Trump Biden era, right? Just, you cannot do that. And Platinum is a good candidate, right? People want change. He represented change. She represented the status quo. The Schumer endorsement was a big problem for her. Like, and it just, he endorsed her and then

the question. She said, you know, I haven't decided yet. Well, no one buys that because Schumer

“endorsed her and recruited her into the race. So, like, it's, like, even if she really felt that”

way, that was just, like, hard for people to, to believe when, especially when Platinum was saying, I will not do it for Schumer. And so, like, this is where we are. Like, you know, we need, now we need Grandpa Platinum to win. Susan Collins has, there's no path to the majority without this, um, without Maine, like, we absolutely have to win Maine. In 2020 Susan Collins, Aberforum, Donald Trump by 18 points, Biden, she won by nine points, and Biden won by nine points,

which is, like, just, that level of crossover voting in 2020 in the 2020s is unheard of. And so, she's a very tough candidate. We need him to win. And now, hopefully, everyone can unite around Platinum, and we can go, go make this happen, because we have to. It's a non-negotiable, as they say. Yes, it is. Okay. And now, and now, we have nothing left to talk about. Yeah, this is the last time you and I will podcast together. Unless Grandpa Platinum loses

“than you. And then we'll, then you, then you, then you, I will be on your out to be on your podcast”

every day for a month. I hope that that does not come to past. Yes, I mean, I would love to do any of your podcast every day for a month. That would be an enjoyable use of my time. You were invited every day for a month. No matter what. But that's not the circumstances in which I would like to do it. Okay. One last thing before Tommy's conversation with Zach Walls, and the latest sign of the coming apocalypse, the Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday that Amazon Studios executives have

been discussing a reboot of the apprentice with none other than Donald Trump Jr. as the new host. What the hell is going on here? Do you Alex, do you think Americans are really yearning for more apprentice on their TV? Or is it possible that Jeff Bezos and the folks at Amazon may have an

ulterior motive here? Oh, why would you think that? Just because they spent a million dollars on a

malon. It's a true documentary that made them like five cents. First of all, we should just note that it is not an active production for all of you listeners on the west coast. You know what that means. But everybody else in the country, like it's unclear if this is really going to happen. How we're discussing it. They're discussing it. They're talking about it. It's literally the least surprising thing ever. I know we started this conversation talking about the way in which corporate

America may be feeling a little bit, you know, maybe itchy to stop being such stuages, such butlers for Trump. Well, I guess that memo didn't get to Jeff Bezos, because clearly Amazon's just relentless, shameless curing a favor with the Trump administration has not come to a conclusion. The idea that we would reboot the apprentice with another Trump in the lead seat in the in the captain's chair is like nauseating to me. And yet, if Amazon doesn't bite, I would assume

someone else would, because there are some certain percentage of the country. You have a built-in audience for it. And I'm sure, you know, the powers that be with love to, you know, the grooming ground for Republican presidential candidates isn't Senate, isn't the governor seat. It's being a reality TV star. So, yeah, if Don Jr's going to have a future in politics in this country, he'd better get into an apprentice reboot and reboot and stat.

Someone should tell Jeff Bezos that the Supreme Court has gutted our campaign finance laws so much

so we basically exist in an environmentallyized bribery. So he does not have to use your term,

but clown himself to bribe Donald Trump. He does not have to buy bad documentaries. He's not have to remake terrible shows. He can basically just write Donald Trump a check. He can write a Trump's library. He can write it to the ballroom. He can write it to a super PAC. He can buy a bunch of crypto coins. Like, it's not necessary to embarrass himself to get the what the result what he wants, which is he wants Trump's Pentagon to give blue origin his space company, some contracts,

so they can compete with SpaceX. And he is doing everything is power to make that happen. And, but he is not savvy enough to realize that he is embarrassing himself and making his political position harder in the medium-term long run by doing this in such an ass-clown-like fashion. And the grant. So it's our land got like a reduced tariff rate just for giving him a gold bar. Like, it's cheap. You don't even have to try this hard. Someone tell Bezos.

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in the Iowa State Senate and how he is now running the Democratic nomination to represent Iowa and the United States Senate put a downgrade going from the point DC. But Zach Wall is great to meet you and Tommy is good to be here. You're also running for Senate with a two-year-olds. So you're trying to do like the Red Panda spin as many places and it will look. We can definitely talk more

about that later. I do not necessarily recommend it, you know, but thankfully I've got an incredible

wife. Two very supportive grandparents who are a 15-minute drive away from my house, a sister

“who helps out a lot. Actually, they're watching him literally right now and this campaign would”

not be possible without their support. So if you're listening, I love the less grandparents. Truly and also when you go on the road like, you know, you're not late right now. You don't have the name in it on. So that's kind of nice. Yeah, I mean look, we've got 33 days to go at this moment. So it's kind of hard to get any restful sleep at all. But thankfully Eli is mostly sleeping through the night. You didn't have a climb out of his crib recently, which was, and my poor wife was alone.

That's terrifying. Yeah, and like we were on the road and she's texting me photos about he's like pulled things off the shelves and the room and like, oh my god, I'm so sorry that I'm not there. My buddy would tell me like when his kids learned a crawl out of the crib. He would just wake up in the dead of night with a two-year-old like three inches from his face. Yeah, there's nothing more terrifying. Anyway, great to finally spend some time with you in person. Listeners might have

heard of you because you gave this speech back in 2011. You were a 19-year-old college student. It went super viral the time. You were defending the right for all islands to marry. But that was a while ago. You tell listeners about yourself, your story. In the moment that led to that speech and in what you've been doing since. Yeah. Well, you know, that speech changed my life. It's actually how I met my wife Chloe. She was living in New York at the time writing for a feminist

blog called Feministing, which kind of is a big deal third wave. Feminist blog at the time and she was on blogged you did the week that video in viral and she wrote up the video and the headline she put on it was Mary Me's Act Wall. It's no quick. I'm 100% sure story. And, you know, I thought this was very cute and I thought she was very cute. So I sent her an email. I was like, you know, I won't marry you, but I'd be happy to do an interview. And anyway, we've been together for about a decade. Wow,

we've got a two-year-old. And, you know, it definitely changed my life. You know, let me into advocacy for families like mine all over the state, ultimately across the country, and into politics when I ran for the state Senate in 2018. I was only 27 at that point. So as the youngest member of the Iowa Senate when I was first elected seven years later, I am still the youngest member of the Iowa State Senate at 34. And when we defeat Ashley Henson in November,

I will be the youngest member of the U.S. Senate. We'll dethrone John Ossoff, which I was looking for too. That is well, yeah, actually talking to someone who's running for a Senate with the two-year-old is a rare thing. Usually it's a two-year-old grand kid. So again, that speech, so you were talking about, was it was like a horribly big-headed Iowa law that they were trying to jam through. So Iowa was the third state in the country to recognize same-sex marriage. And I grew up with my

two moms, Jackie and Terry. My mom, Terry's a fifth generation. I was a farm girl from Clayton County.

My mom and Jackie is nurse from Central Wisconsin. And it was incredible watching them that

the chance to get married in 2009 after that Supreme Court ruling. Two years later in 2011, I was a sophomore at the University of Iowa. I was studying civil and environmental engineering. I was going to go build bridges and what have you. But then when Republicans were pushing forward this proposal to reverse that Supreme Court decision by amending our constitution, I knew that I had to speak up. And the reason that was the case, and I haven't,

I didn't talk about this in the speech, but one of my very first homework assignments, I was in the eighth grade. This is in 2004. It was to watch the Republican National Convention, those speeches,

“and then talk about it in class next day. And I will never forget what it was like watching”

some of the most powerful people in our country, staying in front of the nation, talking about the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, the war on terror, and then war in our country about

of gay marriage to our families, to our children, and realizing they're talking about my family. They are talking about children like me. And it was, it was, it was so scary. And when I went into class and I said, you know, I knew that I should, I should say something I wanted to, but you know, when I got there, I was, I was scared. I felt like there was a target on my back, and so I didn't, and it's, I stayed quiet, and that feeling, that, shame frankly, of feeling, like I should say

something, and didn't have the courage to do it. That stuck with me, and just seared in my memory. And so, when I had the chance to give that testimony in 2011, I knew that I had to do it, when I had the chance to run for the States Senate in 2018, and to fight back against terrible things that Republicans are doing in our state. I felt like I had to do it. And when we, my wife and I were talking about this potential for this campaign last year, running for the US Senate with a two-year

old, you know, not easy, but it felt like it was something that we had to do, because I know what it feels like to need someone who's willing to fight for you, when you can't do that yourself, and there are so many people in our state, I think across our country right now, who feel not exactly the same, obviously, the way that I did, but I think everybody deserves someone who's

“willing to do it a bad form, and that's what this campaign is all about. Absolutely. So I live”

Nywa for a year in 2007, I loved it, like the, where you in Iowa City? I was in Des Moines, but I was just on the road all the time, so I went to like 70 summer, 73 counties with Obama, right?

71 in county. Do you want what you're doing right now? Yeah. So amazing experience, loved every second

of it. Obviously, it was colored by the fact that Obama won the Iowa Coxes, and I got us the nomination in the presidency, but, you know, I will made this massive swing from 2008 and 2012, when Obama won it twice to 2016, where Trump won the state by, like, almost 10 points, massive swing, and you could see it, especially, and I'll be kind of river counties in the east. What do you think happened in how to Democrats get those voters back? So I get this question a lot,

you know, Obama, Obama, Trump, Trump, Trump, and one of the things that I think a lot of folks can be hard to understand is that the message that Barack Obama was running on in 2008 and 2012 about challenging the status quo, bringing change to Washington, DC, challenging the establishment. To us, that sounds very different from make America great again, but to a lot of the voters that our party has lost, they sound very similar to people who are willing to challenge

a broken status quo, and especially for a lot of folks in small town in rural America, they have been failed by leaders in both parties. And I would say, in Iowa, going back to the farm crisis in the 80s, our state has had a reflexive skepticism of the establishment, because of how much damage that did to our state and what the kind of consequences of that have been over the last 40, 50 years. And so you've seen Iowa support people like Bill Clinton in the 90s,

Barack Obama in the 2000s and now Donald Trump on that anti-establishment message. I also will tell you, so I live in Coralville, which is in Johnson County, a Democratic County,

but my district and I was first running in 2018 included Cedar County to the East and Musketeen

County, South and East. And I spent a lot of time knocking on doors and Cedar and Musketeen counties, and I talked to a lot of Obama Trump walls, voters. And whenever I would talk with somebody like this, of course you wanted, though, what are the issues facing your community? And if they tell you that you're voting for you, like what's going on here? And what I would often hear from voters, there's something to the effect of, look, I don't agree with Donald Trump on every single issue,

but I feel like he's fighting for me and for my family. And you're here, you're listening,

“you're understanding what's happening here, so you got my support too. And I think that is”

something that I've learned actually after that 2011 speech, I spent a lot of time traveling around the state traveling around the country. And, you know, the marriage equality campaign was all about meeting people where they were, binding common ground, answering tough. Sometimes wildly inappropriate questions from people, but bringing some grace and humility to that, rather than, I think the view that some folks have of Democrats is that we look down on people and we judge people if they disagree

with us and consent, and whatever. But if we had taken data approach and marriage equality, you're that kind of kind of sending, looking down on people, marriage equality would not have passed. And so having those lessons was why I was able to win in small town rural areas,

represent those areas for four years in my first term, three and a half now here in my second term.

And it has made me a much better legislator, it's maybe a better candidate. And I think that is why we're going to win the selection in November, because there's a really unique opportunity to win these voters back, because of how bad the Trump policies have been for small town in rural

“America, but you have to have a positive vision. It can't just be about how bad things are.”

You've got to be looking forward to. Yeah, let me ask you about one of those bad things. So

the price of oil, increased the price of gas. It is increased fertilizer prices and availability

all around the world. There could be a global hunger crisis if this thing doesn't end soon. What does the impact been on Iowa farmers in the Iowa economy? And then what role do you think the U.S. then it should be playing and ending the war? Right, so diesel is another part of oil and gasoline going up, basically every piece of Iowa farm equipment runs on diesel. So, you know, we're in the midst of planting season right now. I was like, "My watch is April 29th." We,

so all those machines that are out in the fields right now, those are all more expensive to operate than there were three months ago. For fertilizer costs, you know, the vast majority of Iowa farmers had already bought their fertilizer for the spring. So, if these fertilizer prices stay elevated into the fall, that's when you're going to start to see some real issues. Now, that's not to say that every farmer had already bought their fertilizer, but the vast majority

by 80 percent had already. But again, depending on how this goes, how this is resolved, that's going

to be a huge issue. And then, of course, the human toll as well, two of the first six fatalities were from Iowa. And look, we can't have another endless war in the Middle East. And for what it's worth, I don't hear support for the war from people. When we're out campaigning, we've done almost 300 events across over 70 counties now. And people don't like this idea that Trump is trying to say, "Well, we don't have money for healthcare, we don't have money for

our schools, but we can get $50 billion more dollars to go by my ran." Right? That's crazy. And when we talk about, you know, washing in DC that is failed states like, "I want people all over the country, it's exactly what we're talking about." Yeah. Um, let me ask you about some washing and stuff. So you criticize your opponent, Josh Turek. We interviewed a couple of weeks back for getting support from Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. Can you describe what support he's

getting to listeners? And, you know, you're sort of thinking about Schumer. Are you saying you

“wouldn't vote for him for minority or majority leader? Do you have a horse if not Senator Schumer?”

Would you reject DSTC funding if you do in the primary? Like, yeah, describe this criticism. Let's think you said back, and like, let's talk about the extension of what you were to someone with Obama and Trump. My view is this party needs new leadership. It's part of the

reason why I'm running for the seat in the first place. And that was part of why when we launched

the campaign back in June of last year, I said, "This is before Josh got in the race. I would not support Senator Schumer to remain as the leader." There's two reasons for that for me. Number one, you look at his track record as leader. I don't think that it has meant the moment. I mean, we are facing a Donald Trump in existential threat to our country, to our democracy. And this is a guy who just a few weeks ago was tweeting about nukeing Iran. The things that they have done

just this morning. I saw another Supreme Court ruling on the VRA. If you can get to that, save America, act them. They're January 6. There's so many things that this administration is doing that are such a threat to us. You need more effective response from Senator Democrats and Schumer's

“not provided that. Second, I will never forget this. Truck Schumer said on television,”

it is fine for our party to write off rural voters and blue-collar voters, because for every one of those votes we lose, we're going to make up two more in the suburbs. And that math might work in New York. It definitely does not work in Iowa. And frankly, that's not the democratic party that I want to belong to. And since the new deal, this is the party that has fought for workers' rights and civil rights and women's rights, we're the party that fights for people who have

lost their jobs to be an offshore or now being replaced with artificial intelligence. We fight for people who need a champion no matter who you are or where you come from. That is a democratic party that I believe in, and that is a democratic party that we have to fight for, and to get that, we need new leaders. Representative Torkovsky gets in the race a couple months later. He's not taken the same position that I have. And so in terms of Schumer's been supporting him, there's

a super PAC that has been spending significant amount of money, bolstering, representative Torkov in our primary, the DSCC has been promoting various events and opening doors for Josh. And look, they can do that, right? But what I will tell you is, if we want to win a November, and we want to win back those voters that our party has lost, who are frustrated with the race system that is done devastating damage to our state's economy, that has through their campaign finance system

corrupted our politics. I think it is going to be a hell of a lot easier to win those voters back with the candidate who can look voters in the eye and tell them, "I don't know Chuck Schumer a damn thing. I'm here to work for you, not for Trumer, not for Trump, not for Elon Musk or the Billionaires, the big corporations. We need a senator who's going to do what's right for Iowa."

“That's what I've done in the state Senate, and that's what I'll do in the US Senate.”

So I look, I agree with a lot of your critique there of not meeting the moment, a lot of it. I'm just curious, sort of, how would this man confess in a general election? Does it mean rejecting money from the DSCC? Does it mean rejecting money? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

the reality is, and there's been reporting on this, Democrats and DC still want to win this seat.

But you win the seat, and then you have the ability to help shape what the general election looks like on your terms, rather than on Washington's terms. And Tommy, I don't need to tell you,

“folks in Washington have not had a great track record in Iowa over the last 14 years, right?”

And so from my perspective, I think that having an nominee who's been able to run against the establishment to say that actually we're going to talk with voters in a way that we believe reflects the way that actually wins on the ground. We've been investing in organizing very early. And I will also tell you, the message that we've been running on, which is about the economy, it is about the corruption, it is about a new vision for the future of small time over a lie

and hope we can get to some of that in a minute. That is resonating with a lot of people. When we turned into nominating petitions, it's about a month and a half ago now, 15% of our signers were registered into patents and Republicans. We get signers from all 99 counties and like triple the number of signatures that you needed from folks to legally get on the ballot.

I was also the first candidate in the race, Democrat or Republican to get a grassroots

contribution from my own. It's in all 99 counties. Our 99th county was right county, which is up in North Iowa, 25 bucks from a guy named Gary. Gary gets this to medical number 99, so like we're thrilled to get Gary on the phone. So I can say thank you and learn about why he's supporting the campaign. Gary tells me he's a retired small-time lawyer, he's excited to see new generation step up. He's a president of his local school board, loves my passion for public education,

he's a Vietnam veteran, and then Gary tells me that he's a registered Republican, and he loves our anti-corruption message. And so now Gary and his wife Susan are some of our best volunteers. And in fact, because of Gary and Susan, we turned 174 signatures from right county as a part of getting onto the ballot and we have been unable to determine the last time a Democratic candidate for sending a gay man who were close to that amount. And so we think it's an example of how

our approach, our message, and the structure of our campaign is resonating. And so if we win the nomination and folks from Washington want to work with us, rather than us working with them, that makes sense, and the vision that we have for how we win this race, that's their decision. He sounds like you're saying, like if you win the nomination, the DSCC is kind of spent, and you're not going to stop them and you'll work with them, but you feel like you will have

“we can better negotiate on our terms. Yeah, and again, I think to me that illustrates the strength”

of this grassroots campaign, right? The fact that we've been able to have, you know, we've raised my opponent in the primary and despite him having a redor open forum by the committee, you know, all those various things, we were working our tails off, right? And I want to respect our work. And frankly, they respect people who are willing to say out loud the things that they know are true, which is that there are leaders in both parties who have failed

states like Iowa, and we need change. And we have to have somebody who's willing to push for that change and look, it may not work, but I will tell you, I think it is going to work. And I think that is exactly the message that we are going to write straight into November. And I hope that we can talk about Ashley Henson, because I bet a lot of your listeners probably don't know a lot about her, but she is one of the worst. So I do want to ask about her, but on the reform stuff, so voters are

furious that Washington, they're mad at the political system, they're mad at Congress, I think Gallup had a poll out the other day that found the congressional approval rating is 10%. Yeah, they're like, you know, 60 points underwater. So what's your plan to kind of reform the Senate, fix the image of it being broken? Like are we getting rid of the filibuster, are we banning pack and lobbyist money? We talk in term limits, like tell us your plan.

You read my campaign website, because that's literally so really early in the campaign, anti-corruption, this reform really emerged as something that we heard from Iowans on the trail. And so we've got literally, so we launched our Iowans over insiders tour, this was about two and a half weeks ago now, and we started with our anti-corruption plan. That includes filibuster reform, which is not a position that my opponent is taking on this primary. It includes overturning citizens

united, which I've made a promise, I will be a day one co-sponsor of an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to do that. I've made a promise, I'm only going to serve two terms in the U.S. Senate if elected. I've become a big believer in term limits. I've seen firsthand in the state legislature what happens when good people stay for too long, and it is so much worse when bad people stay for too long, and we can all see that playing out in the U.S. Senate.

The third thing that we talk about is banning members of Congress, and I made a promise to follow

this by example, as well, no owning, dreading stocks, cryptocurrency, prediction markets, people deserved to have a government that they trust is actually working for them, not for their

“own bank accounts. And the other thing to I think it is so important for us as a party, you know,”

I mean, I go back to this point since the new deal, right? The things that we fought for, Democrats believe that government can do really good things to make people's lives better. Social security, Medicare, infrastructure, public education, but if people don't trust the government,

is incredibly important. And getting that money out of our politics is incredibly important for the economy as well, because people understand, like, can, you know, every Iowa voter explained the difference between a 527 or a C4 or a, like, no, of course not. But do people understand that there is a direct connection between how rigged the economy is and how corrupted our politics have become by these super PACs and billionaires and dark money? Like, yeah, absolutely.

Everybody gets that. You know, Donald Trump was not wrong when he said that we need to drain the

swamp. The problem is that he's not draining the swamp at all, if anything, he's like floating in it.

This is the building of the swamp. Totally. Totally like Pete Heggsath in there and a bunch of other disrespects. Well, let me ask you, like, some of your, what your critics would say, like, supporters of your opponent would point out that you ran a pack in a previous job, the next and 50 pack, they would say, like, did you find religion on this issue? Because money was getting

“spent against you. Like, how did you come to this and how do you explain that previous job?”

Yeah, I mean, look, so first of all, there was no federal independent expenditure of that organization at all, right? So it's a complete bapples in the world situation. But I would say, I think like a lot of young voters of our generation, I'm going to say our generation here. I think that concerned about money and politics has been something that we've seen for a long time. And part of that, I think, is growing up in the post-citizens United era going back to 2010.

I mean, it's funny. I still remember watching those episodes of the Colbert Report, where Steven is, like, explaining, you know, his dark money group and this Steven Colbert pack and everything and just thinking about how absurd that was. And I was a college student then. And now, like actually being in elected office, you know, you can see it so much so. But I will tell you tell me, so one story about the influence of money in politics.

My very first year is in 2019. These large out-of-state investment companies started coming to Iowa

“by mobile home communities and trailer parks and proposing outrageous increases to the monthly”

lot rent. 50%, 60%, 70%, and like, I would be very unhappy if my mortgage went up 70%. Yeah. And these folks have, you know, a lot less, you know, flexibility in their budgets than I do. And this one company from Utah bought 15 communities across the state three of them in my Senate district, two in Johnson County and then one in Cedar County, the more rural part of my district. And as their state senator, I took it upon myself to go knock doors and my communities to hear

from my constituents, my people, about what was going on. And the stories I heard were heartbreaking. I met a woman in candy, candy was a widow and her late husband had saved up, bought her this beautiful double-wide trailer and she had a place to call her home and she was worried about her own home, she was terrified about what we happened to our neighbors. And I, you know, I was so angry about what I was hearing that I was able to take these stories and I went to my Republican colleagues.

And even though I was a freshman and even though, you know, we obviously didn't agree on every issue that experience that I had as an advocate for marriage equality about finding that common ground and being able to bring people together, we brought together a bipartisan group. We hammered out a bill that we could all support. And as a freshman, I got that bill with the help of people like candy and her neighbors who came to the state house to fight for that bill. We got it through the Senate

48 to zero. Everyone assumed this was a done deal. And then two days later, he had a tax message asking me to come over to the, to the house side for a closed-room meeting about my bill.

“And I remember it like it was yesterday, walking in. First person I see is the lobbyist,”

representing these big companies. And the second person I see is the state representative, is holding my bill shaking her head. That state representative is now a member of Congress. And she's my Republican opponent in November, Ashley Henson. And I was in the room and I watched, is Ashley Henson killed my bipartisan bill's favor to that lobbyist. And after this was over, I looked up how much money this lobbyist had bundled for her reelection campaign. You want to

guess how much it was? 50 grand. $1,500. And you will, you will never guess, though,

who was some of her biggest supporters in her campaign for the US House, or who did a fundraising event for her in the Senate campaign as a few months ago. So when we talk about this connection, between the rigged economy and the corruption of our politics, I saw that firsthand as a freshman legislator. And look, I will tell you this, I was excited to run against Joni Ernst. But when I found out I was going to be running against Ashley Henson, I jumped out of bed

the next morning. Because this campaign is about a lot of things. It's about this rigged economy that has been in fitting the big investment companies, the expense of people like candy. It is about the corruption of money in our politics. It is about that new vision that we have for the future of small town of rural Iowa. But one of those things is definitely the opportunity to end the political career of the woman who killed my bipartisan bill for $1,500. Take a little spike.

I like spite. I'm also very grateful that you said it's our generation when you're 34 and I'm not.

Can I just one last time? Tell me more about Ashley, though. So what do voters need to know about her? Because she's not a well-known political. Totally. Well, you know, it's, it's funny.

When Ashley first got in the race, this is back in September. So we get in June,

actually it's funny. We, we were in the planning process for the campaign, obviously. And then on like June 3rd or something, Joanie Ernst says, well, we all are going to die and response to a question about Medicaid. So that's not a good answer. It was not a good answer. And it was not a popular position to take on healthcare. And so, you know, we had already been planning to announce the campaign that happened a few days later. And August, pull comes out for the general election,

showing me leading, Joanie Ernst by two points in the head to head match up. You know, 10 days later, she's out of the race, Ashley Henson's getting in. I don't think we can take all the credit for Joanie with drawing from the race, but we'll take a little bit of the credit. And when Ashley first got in, you know, to exactly your question, a lot of folks don't know who's Ashley Henson. And so I would kind of tell people, look, she's kind of like the Marjorie Taylor green of the Midwest.

The problem is I can't use that comparison anymore because Marjorie had no. I know. She seems

reasonable compared to Henson. I mean, Henson, look, she is all the same terrible votes. The Joanie Ernst does for the Republican budget, the big billionaire tax cut, cut a 800 billion from Medicaid, defunding Obamacare, I'm all that stuff. But in addition to all that, she's co-sponsored at Total Abortion Man in the U.S. House. She has voted not once, but twice against capping the cost of insulin. She's voted against Medicare being able to negotiate over prescription drugs. She's

actually voted to cut Social Security, which not a lot of people know yet, but they certainly will. In November, it's like a bad vote. Very bad vote. She is someone who's accepted millions

“of dollars from the insurance and pharmaceutical industries. And so for my perspective, I think that”

there is no one who I would rather have the opportunity to run against in this election. And I'll tell you, Tommy, when we defeat Ashley in November, I'm going to personally make sure that candy in a couple of her neighbors come out to Washington DC for this morning. And here you go. Not a fan, I guess, especially in some of the field. I feel I feel convinced here. But so, as you know, we have a primary coming up, vote vets or the organization that you talked about earlier,

there's endorsed your opponent and put a bunch of add dollars on TV and support fan. They released a poll. It has Josh up 20 points. When you think, if you agree with those numbers, and why you think you are better positioned to win this race? Absolutely. It makes it internal poll. Very little

detail provided about it. But look, they've spent five and a half million dollars. And when we talk

about how superpacks have this disproportionate impact on our politics. And primary is like this one, and of course, this is not our only race in the country or superpacks or spending millions and millions

“of dollars. This is an example of I think something at a lot of democratic primary voters are really”

frustrated with because it feels like the superpacks are drowning out the voices of individual voters. You've got, like you said, over five million dollars spent so far. And that is a significant amount of money. Well, I will tell you that we've been traveling across the state. Folks are really resonating with our anti-establishment message. And it's not frankly just Gary and other Republicans are independence. A lot of democratic primary voters are not happy with what is happening in Washington

right now. They are not satisfied with the leadership protection, and they are ready for real change. And so when we talk about how we need to make that change a reality, that is something that is resonating across the political spectrum. And when you see to your point, Canada say, "Well, I'm opposed to dark money. I'm opposed to superpacks and they're benefiting from millions of dollars about side spending." I think voters aren't happy about that either. And so what I would tell you

is we're on tomorrow, and we're going to continue, you know, during the final stretch here, we've been on the last two and a half weeks or Iowans over Insiders Tour. We started with a very comprehensive anti-corruption plan that actually Senator Elizabeth Warren personally texted me to say that she really liked it, which I think about the highest honor you could give for anti-corruption plan. So we had our plan on the economic agenda. And one of the things I would just point out on

that time is that when we talk about things like a billionaire wealth tax, when we talk about breaking up the corporate monopolies, they have a stranglehold on agribusiness. And Iowans are like four companies control the global grain market, four companies control the fertilizer market. One of those companies, by the way, is coke industries. I think probably the only people who hate the coke brothers more than pod save America listeners are Iowa farmers. That is something that resonates

with people. I think some people in DC think of that as like a progressive or lefty-coated thing. That is not the case at all. I mean, you go talk to an average swing voter in the state of Iowans, you ask them about those two things. They're going to give you thumbs up 100%. And so that is how we're going to win. It's because we've a message that is not being filtered through superpacks. It's not coming from Washington. It's not coming from pollsters. It is coming from people across

“our state. And that's how you're going to win. What do you say that people are like, look,”

Iowa City is the most liberal part of the state. You haven't had to run against a Republican,

Yeah, well look, I mean, if you think that I haven't defeated Republicans, I would encourage you

to ask Bob Vanderplats or any of the other folks who are trying to change Iowa's marriage equality law back in 2011. And what I would tell you is that the idea that this election is going to be decided based on where a candidate is from is absolutely absurd. I mean, the same people who said that Barack Obama couldn't win because he was from Chicago, Illinois, right? And that was wrong, right? People don't care about where you're from. They care about why you're there. They care

about what your vision for the future is. And if you have a concrete idea to have about how to make it a reality, we've got all those things. Again, I will also tell you, the only candidate running on the Democratic primary, who has represented small town and rural Iowa. Cedar in Musketeen County,

Obama Trump, walls counties. And for years, I took really seriously the responsibility of showing

up to those listening posts and those legislative forums. I was often the only elected Democrat on the panel answering questions from the audience, me and like five Republicans, you know, not quite Jubilee, style, you know, or whatever, but like pretty close, it's surrounded. And in that experience, it made me a better legislature. It's made me a better candidate for this

“office. And as the exact same approach, it will take as a U.S. senator. I believe 100% in the”

importance of showing up, doing town halls, Chuck Grassley famously does the 99 county tour every year. We'll do that in the U.S. Senate. And we'll make sure that we have a candidate who, or candidate in this race and then the senator who actually is listening to the people and fighting to go to work

for them, we emulate Grassley's Twitter style and just my staff doesn't let me to eat any more.

So, which is probably for that's better best. Last question for you. Do you have a political hero or mentor or something you want to emulate in Washington if you win this? Yeah, Tom Harkin for sure. You know, Lucky, my mom Terry was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis when I was seven years old to devastating disease. And I watched, as I was growing up, her physical decline into a wheelchair. And you look, having gay parents, even in Johnson County in the '90s and early 2000s was not easy,

but having a parent in a wheelchair was also really tough. And without the Americans with

“Disabilities Act, and this is a point where I represent it for her and I think both are incredibly”

grateful to senator Harkin for his leadership on that. That made a huge difference for my family. You know, that time was also when I learned the importance of what labor union can do for a family. My mom, Jackie, is a C.A. University of Iowa Hospital. She was laid off during the Great Recession. And that contract that got negotiated on her behalf made a huge difference for our family to really tough time. And, you know, I think about Senator Harkin, I think about his work

with Americans, Disabilities Act. I think about him being a relentless champion for labor unions. I've been fortunate enough to win the endorsement of 25 different labor unions and organizations across our state in this race. In fact, I was the iron workers local and demoying invited me to become a member. So I'm now a nurse pain iron worker. Okay. Local 67. So if this politics thing doesn't work out, I got a future in the skill trades. And yeah, what do you want to make me?

Well, I mean, data centers are the big thing right now. And that's a whole separate can of words. But the thing right now that I would tell you is that, you know, fighting for a state where no matter who you are, you know, how your, you know, what your family is like, whether you have an ability or disability, what have you. That is really important. Fighting for the ability of people to come together to negotiate good jobs, bear wages, great benefits in an economy that works

“for us. Those do things to me. That's what Senator Harkin represents and those are things that”

are really important to me as well. Was that best luck in your campaign? Great to spend the time with you and appreciate it. I really appreciate it, Tommy. I enjoy the conversation today and if anyone listening wants to learn more, join us at our website, Zachwalls.com with up to have you on board. That's our show for today. Thanks Alex for co-hosting. Thanks to Zach walls for coming on. Lovely back in your feed on Sunday with a conversation with Senator Bernie Sanders.

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