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Ep. #719: Jonathan Haidt, Stephanie Ruhle, H.R. McMaster

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Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO Late Night series "Real Time with Bill...

, "The Night of the Night of the Night of the Night".

First of all, we're going to get all the hard news, but let's talk about what we're

really thinking about tomorrow's Valentine's Day. I said, "I said that for all the men watching who just went, "Oh, shit." It is. So you excited about that, darling? I know you have to tell me, okay. It's just stupid holiday, but you know what? We'll get into it. You

know, the same Valentine was a Catholic priest. That's why, to this day, we exchange candy

for sex. That's why. There's always that Valentine's Day movie. They put out, you know,

at the one this year is, "Wuthering Heights" into it, "I'm so into it." It's all about the forbidden love of Catherine and Heathcliffe. Of course, it's very modernized. Now, when they're forbidden love gets busted, it's because it's either on the jumbo trot. And, oh, it's so romantic. You got to feel the romance in the air. I mean, I know a guy, a guy said his girlfriend wanted to be swept off her feet and carried off to the tropics, so he

reported her to ICE. Oh, good news. Out of Minnesota people, we've done it. We've liberated St. Paul from Somalia.

All right. ICE is leaving town, so that's why you're feeling extra patriotic. Of course,

it could also be because Monday is President's day. Yeah. No, no. This is the day we trip into all the past presidents. Even those in the Epstein file. Oh, no, no. Our president now, Donald Trump, he takes very seriously his place in the line of presidents. He's going to honor it, a month of it, by posting pictures of all the presidents, some of them not as apes. But I'd tell you this, this Epstein story, that is not going away. The Attorney General

Pam Bondi, she was before the House Judiciary Committee this week. They were talking to her

about how she mishandled this and she calmly answered all their questions. I'm kidding. Of course, she broke out Jeff Ross's big book of insults for roasters. At one point, she called she said to a congressman, "You were a washed up loser lawyer." It begs the question, what is the opposite of legally blonde? Oh, I could, Pam. I could. By the way, she's got a great Valentine's Day card for her lover. It says, "Kiss me, you fucking asshole."

Now, this is all fun. But we have to get to the story that really matters, which is the EPA, a little history lesson, Richard Nixon, a Republican. Okay, he started the EPA,

the Environmental Protection Agency in 1970. Trump has always said, "It's a hoax, the

whole thing. But climate change." He said, "Scientists, scientists," he says, "Are stupid people?" He says, "The idea that greenhouse gases caused climate change is no basis in fact." He thinks it's just some bullshit that people made up out of nothing to get rich. You know, like crypto. And yes, his EPA director, Lee Selden, said, "This is the single, this is a

Single, largest deregulatory action in American history.

dick move in American history. Guys, this is not made up. This is science. Doug Burnham, he's the interior secretary. Listen to this, the way they all line up behind this nonsense.

He said, "CO2." Carbon. Was never a pollutant. He said, "Let me breathe. We emit CO2."

Okay, Doug, you know what? Let's try this little experiment. Tonight, when you get home, go in the garage, close the door, turn the car on. And let's see if carbon is the pollutant.

You know what, but, but you have to be a little sympathetic. A lot of the conservative

America is a very butt-hurt these days. There's still recovering from the halftime show. That big bunny did. They hated it because it was in Spanish, but now they're pretending they hated it because it was smarty. And it was sexual, very overtly sexual with dirty lyrics. Well, what do you expect? He's not called good bunny.

Trump said nobody could understand a word that Guy said, "I never understood a word.

Mick Jagger said either. I still enjoy the show." Now, I look at the show. I look at it like Olympic curling. I had no idea what the fuck was happening, but I was like, "Everyone looks like they're having fun. Fuck it, I'm in." All right. We have a great show. We have former national security advisor, ancient McMaster,

and Stephanie Rue. But first up, he is the professor in Social Psychology, so psychology

is to wrote the best-selling book, The Anxious Generation. He recently co-authored another one on the subject, the amazing generation. You're a guy to fun and freedom in a screen-filled world. Jonathan Height. Look, I'm not going to lie to you. They stand for it pretty much anybody who walks out. But I'm going to say to you, "You really deserve it." I mean, this book that you wrote,

you started with a thesis that the phone, the smart phone, and all that's contained in it, and the social media, not benign, and adults need to do something about it. And you weren't the only one we've got Tristan Harris on this show and other people. But you would remain one out there, and this book did a lot of the heavy lifting, and now this is actually happening. So a great full nation says, "Thank you to you."

And when I say, "It's actually happening, Australia, right?" Am I right? The first country now, to ban phones for kids under social media, because it's a media account. And where else, I mean, you just got through the world tour, pretty much. Where is this happening and what are they doing? So it's now happening, it's going to happen everywhere

this year. So that's my prediction. So here's what happened. Australia, their law went into

effect on December 10th. And there was news coverage all over the world, and a lot of the news coverage was people saying, "Hey, why can't we do that here?" And once everybody saw that, then everything changed in a really interesting way. I was just in Europe, and wherever

I would go, I was knocking on open doors, people wanted to do this. When I think happened,

is you had Steve Pinker on here last year. And he has a book out called when everyone knows that everyone knows. It's about the Emperor's new clothes moment. When suddenly, the kid calls out the Emperor has new clothes, and private knowledge, because everyone already knew that, but private knowledge becomes public knowledge. And so what I think happened was, once everybody saw that everybody was praising Australia, then everybody knew that

everybody wanted to do this. And suddenly, all the politicians realized, "Wait, the people are way out ahead of me, I want to get back out ahead." And so I met with President Akron in Davos. I met with leaders of labor and conservative in the UK. I met with people in the EU. Wherever I went, there are parents. And parents everywhere have seen this. And parents who are politicians are very aware of public sentiment. So this past

month has been an extraordinary period of global change. This is the tipping point, like this month, especially given what's going on in LA with the trials. So it's a different world now than it was two months ago. That's all true. But your book, the Anxious Generation. I mean, like I had a book that hit number one for one week last year. Yours is on the charts for how long has this been?

9,5 weeks.

itself about social media. It's also a victory for books that a public intellectual that

term is sort of out of vote, but you are one. And not many left. And the idea of a book

changing people's minds still can happen. I just want to take that victory for a second.

Because it was very influential. This book brought people's attention. You just mentioned the trials. What are you talking about? Tell us what you, I know what you mean, the one that's in LA the starting. Sure. So imagine that there was a consumer product that had killed hundreds of kids and that had harmed or damaged literally millions of kids. But this consumer product had what seemed to be special protection where nobody could sue them. That would be a really

bad situation. And that's where we've been with social media. Hundreds of kids are dead. And a lot of those parents came to LA today because for the first time in history, the companies are being held responsible, where at least they're going to face a jury for what they did to the kids. And what is the young woman who is bringing this case? What is she claiming? She's claiming

that she was on, I mean, there are the people being sued for first of all, two of them are

decedelt, right? Snapchat and TikTok. It's already settled. What's Snapchat and TikTok early out? That's right, on this one case, this first bell-weather case. But this is meta. These people who bring you Instagram. And this is Google, the people who bring you YouTube. That's right. So they're on trial. That's right. What is she saying happened that she was hooked? They purposely hooked it because it does remind me a lot of the tobacco trials of the 90s because

it's the same dynamic where the tobacco companies were up there saying, well, first of all, we didn't know it was addictive. They did know it was addictive. And they just didn't care.

They were giving you this delivery system. So it's sort of the same kind of thing you have to

be responsible for something that's addictive. What is she saying? She's saying that she got hooked on these things and it made her depressed? Yeah. When you start spending $8.15 a day, just on social media. The average American teen spends five hours a day on social media, about a quarter, spending seven hours, just on social media. The add and all the other stuff. You're going to be losing out on sleep. You're going to be losing out on social relationships. You're going to be losing

out on all the things that kids need. And I don't know the details of that case. What exactly she's alleging about the chain of damage. But almost all these, so many of these kids, the case is that they became addicted and then that affects their mental health. That pulls them into dark places that puts them in touch with sexual predators. And what a lot of these initial trials are going to hinge on, and we saw Adam Miserie testify yesterday. The head of Instagram. He said,

"Oh, no. There's no evidence that it's addictive." He said, "Have you users? They have problematic use. 16 hours a day." She was on sometimes. That's probably not a addiction. But these things were designed by people who studied slot machines. slot machines are addictive. These people, a lot of them took a course at Stanford on persuasive design. They learned how to use intermittent rewards, variable ratio, reward schedules, to hook people. And they did it.

They talked about it. We have transcripts. We have internal reports. They did 31 studies. My team has found. If you go to medisanturnalmysurge.org, we've categorized their own studies showing that this is addictive. They talk about it. They use the word addiction. And so now, for these guys to say, "Oh, it's not addictive." Well, just like the tobacco industry. And with they let their kids, I don't think the tobacco

guys let their kids smoke. A lot of these guys don't let their kids use their products. But

there's a big difference, I think. And I think comparing it to the tobacco industry is actually

unfair to the tobacco industry. Because the tobacco executives never saw children suffer.

They knew that they were going to give them cancer eventually. But they didn't have to look at children suffering and dying. And these guys have to face the reality of these parents coming to them with the photos. It was so moving this morning, about 40 parents came to LA. There was a memorial showing like tombstones that are like cell phones showing the lock screens with these beautiful kids from suicide. All sorts of things. So, it's a lot of them are fentanyl deaths because

as one young woman said to me, "Everybody drives drugs on Snapchat." And you had a piece on gambling a week or two ago. When you make it frictionless and free, anyone can get any drug this afternoon. Really? I mean, that's terrible. I didn't know that. Yeah. So, a lot of the deaths are fentanyl. I mean, a kid buys per cassette or Xannax, but it has fentanyl. And they're dead.

That's what a lot of them are.

dorsion. In one case, one mother I was talking to, her daughter was cyberbullied into suicide. And this was during COVID. And the kids broke into the funeral to continue the bullying after the grave. And what I take from this is, as social psychologists isn't, "Oh, those bastards. Oh, those cruel kids." It's, "What kind of sick environment are we raising our kids in that this

sort of thing is now normal?" Kids were always bastards. They were never city when I was a kid.

You have to teach a kid to be a decent. You've never read Lord of the flies when you work in. Okay, kids are shit. They are. The little Nazis. They have to be taught to have be civilized. But I take your point. But an important point you make when you're writing about this lately,

I see is that there should be no parental exemptions, because I think that's what some people want

now. They want some exemptions out of this. You say you'd rather have no laws than parental exemptions. Yeah, so the key thing, we can talk about, "Oh, we need to make this safe for, oh, we need more age." We can talk about all that stuff, but it never, none of that works. All over the world parents are fighting. They're having the same fight with their kids. Mom, everyone else has a phone. I'm starting 50, you know, sixth grade. Everyone else has Instagram. And so parents are

in a trap, kids are in a trap. And we all have to give in because everyone else gave in. So that's called a collective action trap. And so lots of countries are going to art in Europe and Australia, Indonesia, Malaysia, lots of countries are going to raise the age to 16. But in some countries, they're saying, "You have to be 16 to open an account." But if your parents give permission, then you can open an account at 13 or 14. And my attitude is, what's the hell? Why bother doing it?

That just puts us all back in the trap. So we need a clean, like a global norm. Like really, it should be 18. This is an adult activity. But I'm saying, let's just, if we all agree to do 16, we can get it, we can get it fast. And that takes the pressure off of the kids to spend their, to give up their childhood to schooling. And now you have a graphic novel that's a book really for the kids themselves to explain it. It gets plug at one more time before you leave. What's the title?

Sure. It's called the amazing generation. And it's for kids eight to 13 years old. Right.

And it's got a graphic novel about what happens to kids when they get up and are gold with my co-author Katherine Price. We weren't going to preach to the kids. We let older kids talk to them. They hear from older kids, members of Gen Z, who really regret losing their childhood, spending so much of it doing this rather than like talking to their grandfather before he died.

That's what he's giving a life advice from Gen Z, you know what to throw.

Thank you, John, for your service to humanity. Thank you, John. Thank you. Thank you. Jonathan, hi. Okay, let's meet our father. Hello. Okay, he is a former national security advisor, host of the Hoover Institute's podcast today's battlegrounds and all of her about war with ourselves, former Lieutenant General

H.R. McMaster. I want to have you here. And this definitely will. She's host of MS now is the 11th hour in close to YouTube lives. It's happening with those general airing everyone. They stuff in a rule. Okay. Well, I think I'm going to start tonight by saying elections have consequences because I want to talk about this EPA thing that's going on. I always thought when

Trump first ran, the most damage he possibly could do would be the environment because he was always

talking about what a hoax global warming was. And look, I mean, have sometimes they exaggerated, have some, I don't think they did themselves any favor, sometimes by predicting like, oh, well, you know, we're going to hit past the tipping point. If we don't do something by 2012, and then we did and now it. But it's still really happening guys. It's not a hoax, okay? So here's what's going on. We had something called the engagement rule in 2009. This said the feds got to regulate fossil fuels

because we believe they are a danger to public health. Well, what happened this yesterday? Trump ended government's legal authority to regulate basically what causes pollution. The environmental protection agency cannot now protect this pollution. This is like the Navy can't use ships.

Why are you surprised? I'm not surprised, but I think.

I year and a half ago during the campaign, the president invited a bunch of oil and gas executives to Marillago. And he said to them, if you deliver me a billion dollars in campaign donations, I will pay you back in spades. And that's exactly what we're getting here, a huge win for oil, gas and big coal. Promises can't take it say. Well, you know, you know, you know, you washed up generals to talk about climate science. You know, but I'm a believer, you know, that

they're really global warming is a real thing, right? Man-made carbon emissions are a problem. But you know, what we were doing wasn't working anyway, really. I mean, what we do in the United

States actually doesn't matter if China is building 40 coal-fired power plant...

So what I think we should do is come together and work together on a market solution that actually

works just like it happened with the fracking revolution, right? The largest reduction in man-made carbon emissions in history didn't come from a government regulation. It came from cheap natural

gas displacing coal. That, I think, plus nuclear fission. That gets us off the path toward

global warming and gets us cheaper, gets us cheaper energy, you know? But are we working? Do you actually foresee us in the current environment working in concert with other countries to do that? Well, I mean, no, I think what we can do, but that we were working with, in concert with our country supposedly and it didn't work. So what you need is a market solution that we get adopted in Africa, in India, in China because you're providing energy security for people who need to

be lifted out of poverty. China's already moving way ahead of us on this as well as many other things.

But I pulled this card from years ago because I thought you were here. It's the Pentagon. The Pentagon had something called assessment risk that they used to do. I don't think they do it anymore. This is, I think, from 2014, this is, you know, and I don't think things have changed. The world's only gotten hotter. They said climate change posed an immediate threat to national security. This is the Pentagon. It's your group. Because of things like pandemic disease,

global poverty, poverty, food shortages, humanitarian crisis, in other words, messes that are going to be created because of climate change. That the army might have to step in and help. And today, the things drummed it, he directed the Pentagon to buy more electricity from coal.

I mean, you know, what this is, I think this is like every reaction has an unequal

and opposite reaction. Yes. It's a Trump administration. Why the hell is the, is the Pentagon involved in climate change? They should be. They've got, I think, a more narrow mission to focus on, which is to deter war, defend the nation. Now what you get, though, to the Pentagon embracing sort of climate catastrophicism, which they were doing, I think, in 2014, which, by the way, there's been a reversal in that, in that, that appraisal by Stephen Koen and others have really said,

hey, it's not as catastrophic as, as people had said it was. And so if you spend, you know, 10% of your GDP, these are economists, to, to, to reduce the risk of like a, you know, 5% risk, you know, in generation ahead, that doesn't make sense. We need different types of solutions. Okay. So I, you know, brilliant. But I don't think there's a single person in the administration

reading one word of that. We're not even employing America first policies. This is a continuation

of Trump first policies. And if you don't think there's a big cold donor behind this, then I got a bridge to sell. Yeah, initially. Yeah, I mean, again, it's not all happening right now. The, the worry is that what happens in the future. I mean, when the planet gets hotter, it does, it does melt the primer frost. When the primer frost melts, it releases crazy amounts of methane and carbon that were trapped. That just makes the cycle even worse. Because if that

makes the planet hotter, melts more ice, more goes up there. That's the kind of thing we worry about. The future, the chaining one said about terrorism. If there's even a 1% chance, we got to act like it's 100%. Wouldn't this be just as much? I mean, I don't have to put it all

on you. I mean, I mean, you're not doing that. I would say, I, I think this is, you know,

what your show is about, is that, hey, that we can be rational human beings. Yes, I know. We can, we can begin, you know, with what we can agree on. So I think what happens is the people who steal all the oxygen out of, you know, out from these debate are the people, you know, maybe climate catastrophic on the one hand and the climate deniers on the other. I think the vast majority of Americans are somewhere in between. And we can recognize that what we really do need are these market-based

solutions because really, it doesn't matter what we do. If China, India, developing economies, you know, in Africa, Latin America, don't adopt solutions that provide energy security, but also reduce carbon emissions. I don't think China's on the page that it's a hoax. I don't think China's on this page that it's, that it's just all made up and we, and we should go more toward coal. I mean, they may not be there yet, but that, that is their goal. I don't,

I don't know, I mean, they're still building a hell of a lot more coal fire plants, you know. And they're doing solar, they're doing kind of all the above. What they really want is energy security. And if you're worried about the environment, well, they've destroyed their environment. So a lot of what we've done is like, are you washing ourselves? So why don't we show you stuff the Trump is going to? If this era club would consider, I don't know, monument to the president,

a few trophies with his face on it. And he would look. I think we're good. All right, okay.

Trump is going to say, this is, the cars are going to be $2,000 less.

you know, that may be, and that might turn a lot of heads. A lot of, if you want to drive in a 1980s gas-cuzzler while you smoke and cigarettes with the windows closed to ring Burger King out the window. But this is 2020. Yeah, I'm just saying what he's going to say. I don't yell at me. This is his argument, okay? It may be true. Okay, but here's the interesting part about this. China, I'm not China. The guy from Ford, the head to Ford CEO, I think his name

is Jim Farley, went over there last year. He said, it's the most humbling thing I've ever seen. Their quality of their vehicles is far superior to what I see in the West.

Their Ford just lost $19 billion on EVs. Trump says, that's because they were forcing this on us.

They were forcing the EVs. That's why we're doing this. We're changing everything back to what

it used to be. I mean, gas-cuzzler is because, okay, I think the reason why is because, not that we're forcing EVs on people, because we made shitty or EVs, then China does. Ford lost $19 billion. And then this guy goes over there and says, he said, we're in a global commitment with China, and it's not just EVs, and if we lose this, we do not have a future at Ford. Well, this is kind of a situation of our own making with so many industries, and you know

this much better than I do. What happened is China draws you in. They co-opt you with the promise of cheap manufacturing. So, guess where we started to manufacture batteries in China, the highest in batteries in China, when we're manufacturing a lot of our EVs, Tesla and other companies, manufacturing in China. They promise you access to their market, cheap manufacturing. And then, once they steal your IP, they steal your technology, they pick a Chinese winner, subsidize the

hell out of it, shut you out of their market. Manufactured artificially low prices and take losses on that hardware or an EV, and then dump it on the international market and drive you out of business.

How many times do we have to go through that cycle? Okay, you know what would be brilliant?

If the United States got together with a bunch of our allies and created something like, I don't know, the Trans-Pacific Partnership and these countries work together to battle China, who's in who employs unfair trade practices. We did put together the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

It was President Obama and the first thing Donald Trump did was tear it up. And now, here we are,

he's launching a trade war that is not bringing an ounce of manufacturing back where the tariffs are costing the American people, and it actually caused more to manufacture here. Yeah. Yeah, they say the tariffs apparently are going to cost each American family like $1,000. Who would have thought it? I mean, also, they did something. A group called the Democracy Perception Index, they did a survey of the 96 countries.

Three-quartered of them prefer Beijing to Mara Logo, like we're losing the popularity contest

to China, which is not a good country. Well, I'm sure the people are very nice, but the leadership and what China does on a human rights level and so many levels is really quite evil. Absolutely. Here's where we are missing an opportunity. First of all, if you care about Chinese economic aggression, industrial espionage, subsidies over capacity, over production,

dumping on the international market, getting grip and artificial grip on the most critical

supply chains to use that grip on those supply chains for core subversus, then we need collect the action to work on that. But if you're kicking everybody in the ass, you know, who could help you, maybe you're not going to get the cooperation. I mean, one of the things I used to say to the President, you know, is a reason why I was only there for 13 months. I was saying, oh, I was saying, I was saying this to President, if we shoot all over allies

to get to China, China wins. You know, and so we should be working hard. We're just explaining the Canada thing. Maybe you have some insight into the thinking, because you mentioned the bridge. There's a bridge that Canada is building between, there's one there now, but they're building a better one between, I assume it's over the Detroit River, Italy. Detroit? Yeah, an Ontario. Yeah, of course. Okay, Trump, this is Trump this week.

As everyone knows, the country of Canada, also known as Canada, has treated the United States very unfairly for decades. How? Canada is building a massive bridge between Ontario and Michigan, a prime minister, Karnit. Well, that's an improvement. He's called him governor, Karnit before. Wants to make a deal with China, which will eat Canada alive. We'll just get the leftovers. I don't think so. The first thing China will do is terminate all ice hockey. What the fuck

I can use these such out something in this.

why will China take over, destroy hockey? First of all, general. Canada is not only responsible

for hockey. It's also responsible for heated rivalry. So, so there's nothing greater in this country. But, but this bridge, this bridge was paid for by Canada. The bridge was built with U.S. steel, but this billet bridge will take too many away from another bridge that connects Michigan and Canada. And that bridge is owned by a big Trump donor, who on Monday had a meeting with Howard Letnic, our commerce secretary, and immediately following that meeting, Howard Letnic,

called up the president and poof. We no longer want this new bridge.

Yeah, I think this is the kind of thing that is causing him his popularity to go down.

Yeah, I mean, I know a number of things, the economic things, but also this, even the common

person, I think, understands that is always this self-dealing involved with everything that goes on.

And, you know, we're still the democracy, you know, it's only early in the weekend, but and the immutable laws of democracy are when you get weaker politically, which he is now. People do begin to stand up to you. We do see more people standing up. This Canada deal, there are some Republicans who join Democrats who said, "We are not going along with your tariffs on Canada because they want to make a deal with China who's going to get rid of a hockey."

And what? Why is Cardi going to China? He's going to China because of the gratuitous insults. Like, what good does that do? I know, with the mean, with shows like then was part of the United States, and then to disparage their contributions. Okay, hey, they do need to spend more on defense. But if you want the golden dome, not a ban idea in my view, you need Canada. You know, so say, hey, guys, how about spending more on defense? We have legitimate issues with Canada,

but the gratuitous insults, and you know, I've fought alongside Canadian soldiers. They're incredibly tough brave. They were one of the toughest parts of Afghanistan, and they took a lot of casualties in Condahar province. You know, fighting after the 9/11 attacks against our nation. So, we love Canada. We love Canada. We should fight for Christmas. The President did shake the tree. He did shake the tree when it came to our NATO allies.

It said, "Pony up money." And you have to be incredible. I do, absolutely. But listen,

it's Valentine's Day. Let's get to the really important point of the important to know the important news out of the White House is that there is a baby boom going on there. Usher vans, pregnant, Carolyn Levit, pregnant, and Stephen Miller's wives were there all about to have children. You know, they love babies up and they're at the conservative side of America.

I don't understand it, but they think we need more babies. I always think we need less.

Definitely less around me, ever. But, um, so anyway, since there's such a baby boom going on at the White House, we thought we would show you what some of the things that are being brought, what these days for the baby shower that's upcoming, which you're likely to see. This is the maga baby shower. These are some very interesting stuff. For example, there's a onesy that reads, "Not an anchor baby." That's true.

Somebody's also getting a doll that cries liberals here. That's, um, there's a baby mobile with the faces of the cast of Fox and Friends. So great for the child. A baby's first blanket pardon.

It's a dirty, stroller nuts. You know, that's, like, that's what I'm supposed to say.

When they love those chocolates, uh, uh, a baby monitor that alerts you when your child is woke. Autism free infantile and all. That's very important. Uh, oh, the event is well in boat bath toys. [Applause] And, uh, my favorite, a diaper that reads, "Don't claim Trump. This is Biden's mask."

Okay. Now I have to ask about the story that is, uh, just absolutely transfixed this nation, which is the kidnapping of Savannah Guthrie's mother. Uh, it's a sad story. I hope we, it will come out better than the news we've had.

Far, we still have our fingers crossed.

Phase one was we're obsessed with this. Now I see all these articles analyzing, why are we obsessed with this? Um, my view is, I don't want to become the kidnapped country. I mean, obviously it's a humanitarian story and we care about people. But like, we've seen things come to this country that we didn't think would ever come, like pandemics and terrorism on a grand scale. Um, you know, Mexico and some other countries

around the world, you have to always wonder what's going to happen when you leave the house.

I don't want to be this country. And I think people are, it's good. I mean, this is what got Trump elected. We're going to get the gangs out. And then, of course, he went too far and he lost himself even on that issue, which was his best issue with the voters. But we don't want to become the kidnapped country. Yeah, right? Absolutely. And you know, who knows really who this kidnapping apper is at the stage? But if you look south of our border, there's a real problem.

You know, the first of all, a non-secret border is a really bad idea. It turns out. And Trump,

I think, does deserve a hell of a lot of credit for reestablishing border security. And what's happening in Mexico is 30% of the territory in Mexico is under the control of the cartels. They control the police forces now, because of Ablo, uh, low presover to door, having, uh, uh, judges elected, they control the judges. And they're moving into different verticals, right? So, you know, human trafficking has been shut down for them, but then our college trafficking

is still going. And now their responsible for a large percentage of the fuel sales, the legitimate fuel sales in Mexico and our profiting from that. They're becoming all powerful. I mean,

we have a lot of issues that work out with Mexico, but I think Mexico has almost an existential

crisis going on now. And it's in our interests and certainly in the interests of the Mexican government to go after that problem. [Applause] I mean, bringing the economists down on this one, because kidnapping was waiting, because one of the reasons why it was so hard to pull off, because you had to transfer money. And men

was always traceable. I mean, every movie is, you know, drop the money in a bag off the bridge,

and then a guy in a motorcycle gets it, no cops, you know. And they always would front, not with crypto. This is the part of this story. I think when you talk about more that I don't hear very much in the media. Crypto, crypto, the criminal's best friend. I never liked this shit. I always thought it was a big scam. It is a big scam. And, you know, it's the guy who, the Bittans guy that got pardoned by finance, whatever it was. You know, it was because,

well, he facilitated money, money laundering. It's all money laundering. Crypto is money laundering. You take real money, and you buy this fake money, which is a pool of untraceable funds.

You can do anything with. That's why criminal use it for sex trafficking and drug trafficking,

and kidnapping, and other criminal enterprise. And then you, whatever they do whatever you want, and then you can buy back the profit with your real money. Eric Trump said it in broad daylight. The reason the Trump family got involved in crypto was following January 6th when Bank said we're taking a break from you. So, when actually real, regulated financial institutions said we're taking a break, that's when they turned to crypto. And when they realized what a super-grift

and phenomenal hustle it was, they went all in. And when you bring up Binance, that's the founder CZ, right? This guy was sentenced to prison, right? He then buys a huge stake in the Trump Family Crypto business, world liberty, financial, and poof. He's out of jail. He now is still one of the largest holders of Trump meme points, as well as the business. How do you think the

Trump family is a real potter? Billion dollars in a year.

Look at what kind of crypto regulation is there at this point? None. Well, I love to hear what you think about this, because there has to be a way to regulate it, so you can get the benefits of crypto, which is kind of democratizing finance, cutting out the middle man, whenever you think of decisions to debug people, some of those decisions were politically motivated. Do we want to be on the receiving end of B&D Bank for something?

I don't think so. And then, when you go to authoritarian regimes and the ability to move money in and out of those authoritarian regimes, maybe we might want to support some of the people in Iran who so courageously stood up before that horrible regime gun down 30,000, 30,000, you know? So there's some benefits to it. How can you address kind of the anonymity issue so that you don't have human traffickers, and you don't have organized crime networks moving money, and still have

the democratizing feature of it? Smart regulation. The answer isn't yes regulation, no regulation. But what we have in this current administration, they basically are no longer, there's almost no prosecution of any white-collar criminals in the crypto space. There's almost no regulation whatsoever. During this week's testimony, you mentioned Pam Bondi's testimony this week. She was asked

About any sort of prosecution in the crypto space, and what did she do?

the moment when she brought up the performance of the stock market, which, in pretty sure, has no bearing on what our attorney general is testifying about.

So you just mentioned Iran. I see that they, well, first of all, I thought if he was

going to attack, he would have done it by now because he did say a while ago when they were starting to kill people in the streets. We're not going to let you go to away with this, and then he just let them hang out to dry. America's not a very reliable ally. I thought he was going to be different on that. Anyway, now we're here. We are. There's two carriers now. This is just as a couple of days ago now, in the region. He also says, we have a discombobulator. I don't know what that is.

And then we have it, though, are you glad? I'm glad it's on our side. I don't know. It's something Benny Hill has. I don't, I guess I am. Yeah, I totally don't want to be a discombobulator gap. But, okay, so this week, they put out this that we have to talk to our allies first before ending happens. He said, we have to check with the international law, and then we need more time

to put things in place. I read that is saying they're going to attack this weekend.

Maybe, you know, I think the chance are pretty high. The one thing to do, yeah, I do. You know,

and I think the reason why they were kind of left out to dry there after the presence, you know, pledged to support them is we didn't have enough defensive capabilities in the region. We had plenty of assets there to conduct strikes against what you might think. The tools were oppression of the regime, maybe the besiege or RGC facilities. But we didn't have enough to go after what they might do in response.

You know, the counter-missile, the counter-drowned defenses. Going after the RGC Navy, which has been harassing our ships in the, in the Bob Elm and Dev area, and then up in the bridge. Okay, but if our goal is to stop killing the protesters in the streets,

that's the revolutionary guard. These are the folks who took an over this country 50 years ago and

still have it. Okay, it's a combination of a theocracy and this mafia. Okay, what is the, what is entailed in this attack that is going to topple the revolutionary guard? Who are we firing guns at? Who are we firing our missiles at? And how will it affect the people in the street? I don't get it. Well, I mean, you could go after the leadership and what the, what the Israelis did in that 12-day campaign is they took out two dozen leaders of the Islamic Revolution in guard's court.

So if you're a leader of these organizations, the Basis and the RGC, you might maybe think twice

before you. Now you've gone down, you know, 30,000 people again. So I think that there is,

there are some capabilities that are relevant to disweighting them from the kind of mass massacre and brutality that we saw, it's really unprecedented since World War II. I mean, 30,000 people, these are reliable numbers, killed in a 48-hour period.

What I would like to see are a number of other actions taken internationally.

Why the hell is there any Iranian embassy open anywhere in the world? Kick those guys out now. And a lot more financial pressure we're doing that. I mean, there's more that can be done outside of the military instrument as well. And it's a week and a day. So that's diplomacy.

And if what we're doing this weekend potentially is bombing Iran, then bombing is trumping diplomacy. And isn't the big question we have to ask? Let's say you bomb the hell out of him. Let's say it's a brilliant execution, right? What next? Right? People in Venezuela may be thrilled that Maduro isn't there,

but they're panics saying what's next. And we'd yet to hear this administration articulate any of that. And if one were a true cynic, they might say, could the exact timing of this bombing be the president who understands politics and media, better than maybe any other modern politician. So on Sunday, when most likely, all the Sunday shows will be covering Pambondi's disastrous hearing. Howard Lutnik's disastrous hearing.

The reports out across the border that we have seen files.

We're not going to be talking about that because it will be the only thing in the news.

The only people talking about that are the people you and I know on the coast to watch those shows. Nobody gives a shit about this Sunday show. That's not a matter of time. How many people watch this? They do the same files they do. They don't watch the Sunday shows in America. But President Trump does.

Oh, yes, he definitely does. And that's what I'm talking about. The other factor is Ramadan begins next week. So that may be another end of the night. I mean, I was very supportive of bombing the nuclear facility in Iran. I thought that was great. I understood the goal there. And I understood how it could just be ended with the bombing itself.

I don't get this one. But I have like half a minute to ask you this last question, because you're the military guy. The start treaty, we're familiar with this. This is a treaty we've had for 50 years between United States and Russia.

Well, if you don't know what the start treaty is, it stopped.

It's now expired. We have nothing that says any that Russia and the United States can't now build any number of nuclear weapons. What is your take on that? I'm okay with the start treaty going away.

Because I think it's the first step to now doing something more broadly.

You know, China is increasing its nuclear forces by 400 percent.

400 percent. They're not a party to the treaty. It's kind of the same as the intermediate nuclear force treaty that went away. It was important that that went away. Because we were constraining ourselves. Russia was violating it. And China wasn't even a signatory. So that we were taking off the table for us, the development of land-based

long-range strike capabilities. So I'm hopeful that this might be the beginning of maybe getting back on the path towards some kind of a dialogue about strategic forces. President Trump, this is a priority for him. I got to tell you.

I mean, he would talk about it often. He hates nuclear weapons.

Putin kind of plays that card a lot with President Trump. Hey Donald, you know, it wouldn't be great if we could work together on it. It's all lies. But anyway, he plays that.

But the real key is to bring China in and to do it to reduce the stockpiles, control them

effectively. But then also, we're going to not pull a phrase from you. All right. Thank you. You know, someone with a psychology degree has to tell me why the ultimate act of joyous abandoned is dancing on a car. Big bunny at the Super Bowl dancing at a car, La La Land dancing on a car, fame dancing on a car, Michael Jackson dancing on a car, when he could turn for white snake dancing on a car.

Wherever these guys are dancing on a car, choreographers have ruined more cars than ice. Why? Chiefs, there's got to be a fresher way to show your fun and full of life, like singing into a hairbrush. No, someone must tell the Norwegian biathlete who won a bronze medal and then

promptly confessed to cheating on his girlfriend on live TV. Sometimes, just say, I'm happy I want. But congratulations on the bronze. And also for winning the gold for biggest dumbass. A neural of India's intent is to intimidate us with a show of military force. They're

going to have to release a different picture. This photo doesn't say lethal combat unit. It says, "The guy behind me is marching too close." I know you can call it skiing. You can call it snowboarding. You can call it bobs letting the scallop and the luge, but what we must all admit is that most of the Olympics is just one sport. Different ways to fall down a hill.

Somebody had to say it. I know the 21-year-old woman who went back packing through Australia thought she got a stomach bug and ended up delivering a baby. Must admit that she wishes she had just gotten a stomach bug. Because at least with that, all of the shooting pissing and crying only last a few days.

And finally, no rule, this Valentine's Day,

men have to give women what they really want to grow up and start being men again. I learned a new word recently. Hubsan. Hubsan, like husband, but it's the sun. It's grown men who freed themselves from the shackles of wage slavery to live at home, rent free with the parents, or just mom. They're also called kept sons. They live with mom and do all the jobs,

dad used to do. You know, fixed stuff around the house, take out the trash, make sure when it's mom's turn to host book club, the girls have it up, Pino Duar. You know, I wondered why porn hub had so many steps on videos?

It's because sons are dating their moms now. That's why.

And it just works, okay? There's no awkward getting to know you face. And if someone asks, "Hey, how did you to meet?" You can say, "Funny story."

She pushed me out of her vagina.

Is it any wonder so many women these days are asking, "Where have all the real men gone?"

I mean, look at their dating profiles. Living with mom is not one of the turn-ons.

Guys in jail do better with checks. Men are so consistently disappointing these days that there's a new trend where women are in lieu of dating going to the shelter and walking a dog instead. At least that way, there's some chance of ending up with a nose in your crotch. Sociologists say we're going through a sex recession, which is like a regular recession,

except in a regular recession, you get laid off and here you don't get laid at all. 24 percent of men 22 to 34 say they've had zero sexual activity in the past year. What we used to call being married.

44, 44 percent of Gen Z men report having no relationship experience at all during their

teen years, except with Adderall. This is not healthy, although it does explain this deep drop in kudis.

For scariest of all, 45 percent of men aged 18 to 25 have never approached a woman in person.

The only women Gen Z men talk to these days are Siri and Alexa and a fat guy in the Philippines is pretending to be the guy they think they're sexting with on only fans. Women are feeling so sexually unfilful lately that there's a new type of literature that's propping up the entire book buying market. It's called Romanticie. Kind of like the old romance novel, a pitomized by Fabio on the cover.

Except women are so horny now, even he's not enough. They want to fucking actual animal. I'm not kidding. In the drawer with the vibrator in it now, our books with titles like "My Minotaur Husband" sleeping with monsters. The dragons bride stalked by the crack and and Bradley's home for horny monsters. Tales of Romance but with Minotaur's and Centaur's, where wolves, vampires, anything but a human

man. Seven foot tall winged shadow demon absolutely. Viking warrior who carries you off over a shoulder no problem. That's the message of these books. If I can't find a man to get me off, I'll get Dracula to do it. Morning glory milking farm is the story of a millennial girl who takes a job at a

Minotaur milking farm. You know a Minotaur milking farm?

And well one thing leads to another and she winds up fucking a guy who's half bull. Which brings me to Taylor Swift. Hear me out. Hear me out. I think Taylor Swift epitomizes the journey that a lot of women have been going through. Yes, women wanted men to be more sensitive, sensitive, but not some little body-human turtleneck. Where's the same clothes they do?

Timothy Shalame is very talented and I'm sure a very sexy to women, but on the hunk scale, he feels like the left-over pieces from after they made burnt Reynolds. Taylor Swift went from writing songs about what a dick this guy was to her and what a dick this guy was to her to what a dick this guy has. She dated a procession of skinny, fay, gay adjacent, meek,

porcelain doll, shy guy, twink-like, tortured poet, metro-sexuals in America and Europe.

But the second she got some old school wood from the heartland,

It was game over.

So welcome home, Taylor, and happy Valentine's Day.

I mean, Taylor is hardly the only one. You could hear it in the lyrics

from all of today's female pop stars. They're practically screaming that they can't get no satisfaction. Does your cat wraps? I don't really got no type. I just want to fuck all night.

Charlie Xiex and Billy Eilish have a song that goes, "Try it, bite it, lick it, spit it,

pull it in the side, get up all in it." Geez, when they're not saying fuck, guys, they're saying fuck me. Problem is, they're living in a world full of guys who are afraid to even make eye contact

without an NDA. Because in America, the pendulum never stops in the middle.

The younger generation of men caught the backlash from five million years of human history. And I feel for you guys, you were born in a society that said, just being male was toxic. And in a world where everything you said was man's planning and everything you did was an eye roll and merely approaching a woman could get you canceled. It got very easy for men to just give up. And when they did, porn hub and Tinder and only fans were right there to take up the

slack. Thing is, the technology changed. Women didn't. They still want eye contact and face to face conversation and also a pair of balls would be nice. Because in real life, I'm sorry, I mean, IRL. When a girl blows you off when you ask her to dance, you can't just type fuck you and

log off. You have to take that long walk of shame back to your table to tell your friends,

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