The 2026 Academy Awards: ‘One Battle After Another’ Earns More Than a Few Small Oscars

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We are dressed up and almost ready to break down Amanda, how are you feeling? I feel great. I'm pumped. I'm pumped too. And I'm reckoning with my generational trauma.

We have just witnessed one battle after another secure best picture and conclude one of the most dominant award-season stretches in some time. We also saw huge wins for sinners. Sentimental value, K-pop demon hunters and more.

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I'm wearing a bow tie that I tied myself. I'm feeling very proud of myself. Wait till our two of this podcast to share how long it took you, but it's also about our two. It was not less than an hour, but that's for sure.

Okay, the Academy Awards just happened. You said you're feeling excited. You're feeling moved? Yes. Break it down.

I'm over under for you on how many times I cried during this show. I'll say, I'll try to match you with me and I'll say three. I might have cried in might have been more than three, because certainly both original screen play,

Paul Thomas Anderson. No, I'm sorry, original screen play Ryan Cougler, adapted screen play, Paul Thomas Anderson, and Michael B. Jordan winning best actor. I was overcome.

“I think best director, and then this surprise,”

cinematography went for Autumn, Darl, the Arcapa, was also very moving. So that's at five.

This doesn't always happen in the Oscars.

It's not always, I'm kind of reckoning with myself right now because I had a wonderful time watching the show. I think it was a largely predictable show based on how we followed the season over the years, but not in a bad way.

The surprises, I thought were very good surprises. And a couple of wins that even if we were expecting them felt great in the moment, okay, telecast. Not the greatest telecast in Oscars history. Let's say less memorable for Conan than the first year,

some bits worked, some didn't work so well. With the actual production in terms of who was allowed to speak, and for how long, and did everybody know they were alive or not live? - Yes.

- Was a bit shaggy at times? - Not everyone who won was there. - Yes. - You don't see that very often, if you can't amy awards. You know, the story of course of the show

is gonna be one battle after another,

ultimately winning five awards last night,

and tonight I should say it feels like last night already, and six awards, six awards. - We count it already. - We count it already. Make sure best director, Sean Penn, adapted screenplay,

editing, and casting, casting, which was the surprise. So one battle win six centers wins four Academy Awards, and they had been the alpha and the Omega of this race, especially in the final two months. Most people assumed that one battle was going to win.

“We got a, I think a pretty strong preview”

when surprisingly casting went to Cassandra Colicundus for her work on the film, and not Francine Measler, who was heavily favored for centers, but this was the first year of the casting award. And my first thought, when Cassandra won that award,

which is extremely deserved, and I think is a wonderful win and was one of the very few moments when I popped out of my seat during the telecast tonight, because it just felt like something that wasn't going to happen,

going to be closely associated with the best picture win? I'm already getting ahead of myself, but that's where my mind went right away. Yeah, I see what you mean. It does seem that it, that was the tell this year,

and we have traditionally said that editing is, you know, where editing goes so best picture goes, and that was also the case this year.

It was, but because casting came first,

and because there was a little more intrigue, and because we did also think that that was one that centers had in its, you know, and it's Bank of who will win? Where how will this shake out?

It seemed like the twist. It may be that the next few years things get a little wonky or a little strange, you noted that this is the first year of that category, and that there, so there are many venerated casting directors

who were nominated tonight, who did not win, and who presumably will want another shot at the award. So how will they go about that? How will the bill, the nominee?

“It goes about it, I think it's a little too early to guess”

for the award down the road. But tonight, I walked out, you know, took a bathroom break, and I was like, okay, so casting is when we knew,

and then there were moments when we weren't sure,

and even before Best Picture was announced, you turned to mean really like centers. I wasn't totally sure. Yeah, we were not totally sure, which, you know, I quibble with your argument

that there weren't a lot of surprises, or because our predictions were mostly right, but we didn't know what was gonna happen. It's true, it's a great feeling. We really, really didn't, and so I thought,

I was thinking a bit about how this was maybe an ideal awards show for us, and hopefully for listeners and watchers of this show as well, people who are invested in these movies, and who love these movies and love the Oscars,

and really wanted to know who, who want. I don't know if this show was the best show, if you're just kind of like, stop and buy

“for some razzled ass, you know, it's in nice moments.”

I really, really laughed throughout the bridesmaids

reunion, very, very funny stuff. I liked for me too, but this was, this was for the movie nerds, in a great way. It was, it was, and I'd like to talk about one battle now. I say this sincerely.

Since I was 15 years old, Paul Thomas Anderson is my favorite director. He is my favorite filmmaker of my life. He is probably a pretty big reason why I'm sitting here today, which sounds like a stupid thing to say,

but he and a handful of other filmmakers just activated my imagination. And as you have said many times over the last five or six years doing the show, those people very rarely get to the place that Paul Thomas Anderson got to tonight,

which is he now has a best picture Oscar, a best director Oscar, and a best screenplay Oscar. He won the mall on the same night. Sean Baker did that last year. That was unusual when he did it when he won four last year,

but for the most part, that's very rarefied air, and it's not typically our guys. So to speak, who are sent to those spaces. - Has not been until now. - Until now.

And so I find this to be a fascinating win. I find it to be the fact that it is a movie as PTA said when he accepted his screenplay Oscar, that is very much about exiting your youth, exiting that period of hope and expectation,

and handing it off to the people behind you, that that is the time when he is recognized while in the same category as Orion Couglar or a Josh Saffty and director is fascinating, 'cause that is usually what the Oscars makes you do.

They say wait until you're 55, and you spent the last 20, 30 years of your life making super cool movies, and then when you get a little older, we'll say it's okay for you to join the club.

And that did happen for Paul Thomas Anderson tonight. I'm kind of sorting through what it means for me, as a movie fan, 'cause I don't know that I ever expected it when I was watching the master, and I was like, this guy's a fucking freak,

and I love it. You know, I love how weird all of his movies are despite them coming from huge studios and having huge movie stars. He had as a really oddball sensibility in an oddball sense of humor,

and he somehow with this movie managed to not reject any of his principles or creative interests. It's all still there in the movie,

“but make something, I think with a few key decisions,”

that felt like it met the moment. And a move by it, I'm very happy about it. - Yeah, it's a bit unusual and interesting that it comes in the center's year, and we will definitely spend some time talking about centers,

and it's maybe it's legacy versus this movie's legacy over time, but for right now, this is a massive triumph for one of the signature Gen X filmmakers. - Yes, and it doesn't feel the way some great best director, and even great best picture wins for,

maybe not our generation's heroes, but cinemas heroes often come later in the career, and they have to wait till 55 or 60 or 65 or 70,

It's like, you know, a film with craft,

a film that only this person could make, but it's not the peak of their powers. And you're right that one battle is about a later stage of life. It's about being washed up in his adapted screenplay except in speech.

He dedicated the award to his children, and he said this is kind of an apology for this world that we've left you.

“- The mess, which, you know, is something I think we both felt”

very deeply, you know, pausing the movie, but so, so it is a later in life film, but it's not an end of life film, by any means, and I also just don't think it's sub-part work. I still think that it's part of,

it is doing what Paul Thomas Anderson does best, and the openings or the decisions that you're referencing that make it maybe slightly more palatable as a best picture winner than say the master might have been. To me, they just open the film, and they enrich it,

and they are, I mean, I still really ride for the master, but I thought that they were Paul Thomas Anderson kind of widening the lens, and widening what he can do. - Yeah, widening the tent for who can come in to hit one of his movies.

- Exactly, and so, and I really responded to that. I'm with you in that I don't know what to do with an Oscars that rewards my tastes, and this was our favorite film of the year, but it's pretty far down the line, too.

I mean, that's the other thing is there's not a lot of what I would, you know, you're pretty unaffraid of like, there's a bad winner when something like that happens. It's nothing against the person. Not a lot of bad winners this year.

Some of them might have been predictable. - No, one or two still. - We can talk about those, so as we get there, we're gonna stay positive for the top of this.

“- Yes, but we have, and I think an entire generation,”

we grew up watching the Oscars, and from about what, 99, 98, 99 on, 99 is, American Beauty, right?

And we all know the amazing year in film that 99 was.

So that's when they started turning, and we became, - Well, I mean, it might have been when, I just didn't write a Ryan, lost a Shakespeare, I love one year prior, okay. - Sure, okay.

- That was a bit of a awakening for me, as I was like, put the fucking, I didn't even more, so the pulp fiction moving to for as a gump, you know? - There are a lot of these things.

- Yeah, but our taste, but our taste was developing, along with that. - That's important to this conversation, which you and I are not qualified to confirm, and I even fully understand at this exact moment.

But do you think that younger generations will look back at this Oscars? And say, maybe not that this is an American Beauty kind of win, but that, if sinners is the more remembered film, the more iconic film, does this then have the chance

to be one of those like Grandma and Grandpa and get it, they don't know my cinema taste, I grew up on the movies of Ryan Couglar, and Ryan Couglar was overlooked. That's kind of the fast,

that's a kind of amazing thing about the Academy Awards

is they only exist in their time. And we remember them forever and talk about them forever, but they can only be understood that night. That's the only time. - Well, I thought that PTA had a pretty good rejoinder

to what the point that you're making, and the words that you're putting into the mouths of the babes and the booths and on Netflix and all around us. - I do say that.

“- No, you guys were friends, keep fighting, you know?”

In his best picture speech, he mentioned the year 1975, and the films that were nominated for that year, the Oscars of which were held in 1976, we got to work on this no-manclature long term.

Anyway, one flower of the cook is nest, Barry Lyndon, dog afternoon, jaws, and natural. And he said there is no best among those, it's just what people were feeling that day. And when you have 10 nominees, there are some betters

than not as good, but maybe it can be a year where there is not a best, or at least, it was a special year in movies. And that vibe, we got closer to that feeling throughout the ceremony, even throughout the winners list,

then I thought maybe we could have, even when we were doing our predictions. - It was of like a sense of... - Now it's a time to, for one baller after another, and now here's a great center of the moment,

and now's, and they were paced, they were going back and forth. And sometimes when that happens and we're watching the Oscars, it's real, okay. So now it's one battle, now moment,

it's for sinners, you're watching it like a ping-pong match. But I really experienced more as people were really excited about this film, and then people were really excited about this film, and this, you know, we got to honor this part of this film in this part of this moment.

So I thought that the winners and the speeches, that part of the ceremony at least did a good job of honoring that idea of these or two great, great films. - If it was 1975, and we were doing this show, would you hire a bot army to stand for Nashville,

which film would you choose? - There was really fun. - Just this for Barry Lendon, come on. - About that, I agree.

and so I think it felt like a very noisy and at times intense race, but it was also, you know, filmmakers who are friends, a lot of actors who are friends, you could see the excitement from, say, the one battle cast, one Michael B. Jordan one better actor.

That was, again, just like,

“just like the actor worked with a great moment, you know?”

- And that, again, like, sinners did not win best director or best picture, but that was the climactic sinner's moment, and the room, you know, lit up, and reports from inside the room, or that it was like it was almost shaking, but you could feel it at home.

- Yes. - I mean, just the Michael B. Reaction shot

of him, just, you know, he's a star, he is amazing,

and that sense, as soon as he got up on stage at the Sag Awards and it clicked, and we all realized, you know, no, no, no, this is our next best actor winner, but it was fully realized, it was amazing, and it was great.

- I was really, I really loved it. I was moved, I was choked up watching him talk, and I think it was, I think one of the reasons why he won, in addition to being an exceptional actor and giving a really good performance in that film,

is he's very easy to root for, and it is speech. It's just very easy to feel like he's a real normal person, who's just like, "Thanks so much for believing in me and following me for 25 years." - Yeah. - Which is what we've been doing.

- Yes, fans of movies and TV, I mean, that is Wallace on the wire, you know? That's the QB from Dylan, that's like, that's a kid that we've seen for a long time, grow up into being one of these generational stars,

and obviously the partnership that Hank cooler have is very special, I like to see them embrace, when NBA won, and that's actor's been a weird race.

“And I think it's been a, it's been a very good race”

because those five nominees are really, really strong. It's one of the best, I've been saying it for months, it's one of the best categories we've had in the Oscars in like 15 years. But, you know, the shallowest thing was so noisy

for so long, and it makes a lot of sense in the arc of history that this didn't work out for him. I'm not saying it's just or whatever, it's not for me to say. But that, this is just not usually how it goes,

and how it usually goes, is for someone like Michael B. Jordan, who's a part of a big movie that people love, who's been in our lives for a long period of time, not a shorter period of time, like Timothy Schallemay, and who represents something, I think, honestly,

about what is good about Hollywood, and that's what the Oscars is, too. I mean, it's a big billboard for moviemaking, and Michael B. Jordan, much like Timothy Schallemay, much like Leonardo DiCaprio, even like Wagner Mora,

he can get your movie made, and he's someone that you can comfortably say, like, now it says Academy Award winner, Michael B. Jordan, over every poster that he's on for the rest of his career. You know, not overthink it,

but that's like a good thing for the industry,

“and I think everybody can just kind of feel excited”

about something like that happening. I thought it speech was just really great, and I think him circling back to his mom,

big night for moms, as always.

Jesse Buckley also spent some time speaking about moms for Tarwin, we'll get to her momentarily, but I liked her sitting there and being there, he said his dad flew in from Ghana to be there, which was incredible.

And he just seemed authentically not fake moved. - No, and both prepared, but also surprised, and if it was rehearsed, if it was prepared in his head, then it felt in the moment felt and off the cuff and responsive. I mean, you know, part of it's he just got up there

and the first thing he said was, what's up, mama? It's like really, really good. - But did you happen to catch the, there was an angle capturing all the winners as they came off stage, and he was motioning

to all of the people, all of his nominees and the audience, but they had Ethan Hawke in also in the angle, and so he and Ethan Hawke were gesturing to each other, and Ethan Hawke, I mean, Ryan Couglar is our Meryl Streep, number one reaction shot,

the eye of the night, and maybe just like the new mayor, maybe the award is now the Ryan Couglar award? - I don't know if he's gonna show up at a lot of Oscars, he's not competing in it. - Well, he's not even in the Academy.

- I would say that the work that he did tonight was really very special, but Ethan Hawke has also, you know, Ben on that leaderboard, he has been doing the work set. I mean, it was lovely.

- They're obviously tight race stuff when he won the actor award as well at a whole week ago. Yeah, I mean, that was a great category. That was a great win. It wasn't surprising because of the actor awards

we both predicted it, and yeah, it did have that thing you were describing where it was just like, oh my god, like we were kind of, we were kind of surprised. - Yes, because we all predicted it,

and then the internet spent a lot of time. There's just, there is too much time between when voting closes, and when the Oscars are broadcasts, there was too much time in the season. People were getting up to shenanigans on the internet.

They were making their hats of tinfoil, and then claiming to know the vote tallies for Best Actor at the Baptist. Where are all my Leo number two guys now? Show yourselves.

But there was, there's always room for self doubt,

and we always do this, right? I feel like I get a text from one of our Oscar nerd friends,

being like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's, you know, number five on the list. Trust me, not to say that Leo would have been fun too. And you turned to me at one moment,

“and you were like, well, I think it was after casting,”

and you're like, how about Leo now? - I felt that way all the way up until cinematography went to automobile art upon, I was like, no, actually, okay, everything is going to be as as expected.

- Yeah, I mean, those to me felt like the biggest and the newest awards, and they've been the biggest and the newest, the awards all the way through this season. Our predictions, you know, we were very close again.

- Yeah, I always, I took a flyer, I didn't work out.

- You took one risk, and it was the wrong risk, and a year of a lot of chalk, you went 18 for 24, and you're 18 or 19, 19 for 24 or 19. - No, I was 18 and you were 19. - I think we have, I think we have more.

I think we only had four wrong, five wrong, because we have 24 awards now, because of casting. - Okay. - So, I'm just reading what you wrote in the spreadsheet. - Yeah, I wrote something down.

- You have eight nights, yeah, okay. So, I have 19, and you have 20, I think. - And, if anyone in the book wants to fast things up, - Let's do some producing out there. - Yeah, you want to do some like Morris code.

- I'm on it right now, okay, thank you. And so, even though it felt very predictable, all season, that ineffable feeling of anything could happen was exciting for a change, and I'll tell you one of the reasons why I think that was the case.

I like a lot of these movies, and we like a lot of these movies. And so, the absence of a real villain, being in contention for a lot of the awards, made this just feel like a different vibe. Now, there's people at home who are like,

I hated one doubt, a Laura Hated Center, and that's fine. But, I think, in general, to the sort of like, award system at large this year, a lot of enthusiasm for all these awards.

You know, a lot of like Rose Burn never really had a chance

to invest actress, but there was a lot of enthusiasm for her and for her performance. If I had likes, I'd kick you. Just, it didn't, it felt different than in certain years past

where maybe there was some campaign shenanigans with movies getting in, or not getting in, or not getting the prizes they should have, or there were people who were just so obviously there because they were due as opposed to,

they had done great work. Just felt a little bit more balanced all the way around. Do you agree with that?

“- Absolutely, and that's why I was like,”

I think that this was really a show for us, and I don't just mean you and me. So, I appreciate anyone who wants to program for me, but for people who are listening to this show, who are watching all of the movies,

who are reading all this stuff, who are nerds, who are too much online, talking about, you know, vote tallies, it did feel like the awards were sprinkled out enough. And again, for films, we mostly like,

and even the films that didn't win any awards were nominated and represented, that it was just fun. It kind of felt like a nice elementary school ceremony of being like, oh, yeah, and so and so did great work. And so, and I don't mean that in a participation way,

just in the sense of, it was a successful year. And that was represented on stage. - Let me ask you about something else that you've been circling for the last few months. It did, the steam roller thing did turn out true.

You know, the six months ago we decided that one battle will be coordinated this year, and we were not letting our foot off the gas until that happens, and that was the case for Nora, was the case for Oppenheimer.

That was the case for everything in the world at once. We're out of streak here. - Yes. - A very dominant films that get multiple above and below the line, nominations and wins,

and feel like they have a three-month glide path into best picture. Now you could say, oh, there was like a hot moment where the brutalist seemed like it had a chance with the Nora, but not really.

So this was four times in a row, that's happened. - Though a week ago, you were not saying this, and many people online were not saying this. - I didn't, that it was a real race. And so I do think that this even if one battle

was anointed back when it didn't feel like that in the same way. - But that's the thing is we're still talking about vibes and the vibe conversation is over. The wins happened.

Like we got picture director, screenplay,

and acting, and editing, and the first casting,

even though that one battle didn't hit that Gandhi quintet of awards, which is very, very rare, it kind of started a new trend by getting that casting Oscar. So now, when we talk about packages,

- Sure. - In Oscar's history. - This is a very, very strong package. I mean, this is an incredibly elite historical package that this movie has. So now we'll look back on it as like a major triumph.

It'll be one of the kind of big, full-chested, awesome Titans, yeah. And that's kind of fascinating. It was fun for the show and for the race.

“- Centers, I think this is how to say this in a way”

that is understood. It's probably better for its legacy than it didn't win. It gets to be, 'cause Kubler's gonna get his.

but he's gonna get his. - Also, he did, he did one of the script tonight. And he, and again, and gave a beautiful speech. And that was, you know, I said to you, I think I was at five, 30 Pacific time.

So about an hour and a half into the show, and they grouped original screenplay

and adapted screenplay, adapted screenplay went first.

And so you had this really nice balance moment

“where the thing that I think many people watching”

wanted to have happened in Best Picture actually did have happened in screenplays where PTA got an award, gave him his first Oscar. - His first Oscar. Same as Ryan Couglar and gave a really beautiful speech

and dedicated it to his children and, you know, the hope of a better world. And then Ryan Couglar won his first Oscar, like five minutes later, also very moved. Both men very nervous by the way,

which we have been watching them all season. And they still had great presence, but at every other awards show, they've, you know, had a ready remark and they have been like wise and, you know,

the leaders of cinema that we want them to be. And seemingly unbothered by all the eyes on them. And you could see that they were very nervous and Ryan Couglar was really so nervous that he acknowledged as much

and then just talked about how much he loved his kids. It was, it was wonderful. - Yeah. - But I said to you. - On a show where when we thought, we don't have anything to say, we fall back

and talking about how much we love our kids. - But it was still really emotional.

It was also both men getting their first Oscar

within five minutes of each other. And I was kind of like, this is interesting that this is, we're an hour and a half in the show and we definitely have two more hours and a lot more awards to give.

But that was, that was the heart of the show. - Yeah, which is so interesting because there was no doubt that that was gonna happen either category. It was, there was no confusion, but you're right.

It did kind of feel like the emotional full crew of the evening. It was just like, okay, that has happened.

“These were the important things in a way.”

I would argue that best actor also, it just felt like there was a big emotional weight and burden on that award and it lived up to the moment in an interesting way. - What was your favorite award that was not

in that power trio that we're talking about here? - Of the, of the great moments. I mean, Cassandra Kulakundas for one battle and for the first best casting was, like, exuberant because she was so genuinely sight.

- Yes. - And they also, because it was the first time the best casting was given out. They had five actors, one from each of the nominated films come out.

So you got Paul Mascol, you got my beloved Guentes Paltrow, Jason Finiti, Wagner Mora, Delray Lindo, like five awards show, like, beloveds. - Yes. - All on stage. - Very smart move, by the way.

- Yeah, and they did the thing that they sometimes do during that acting categories, but they had each actor speak to their casting agent. So it was great.

“And then, Cassandra Kulakundas was just, was hype.”

And you know, like, was like, woop-in, then she's like, all 10 movies. Like, we've been doing this. - Yeah, I do think that's like, I can't believe I haven't asked her before you because it was handed out.

Which was funny, and they were charming. So that not only because of its significance in the, you know, the Oscar count for the night, but just because that was a fun moment. I'm what else, one of my friends.

- I mean, my- - I mean, I'm an auto. - Yeah, I'm a rollercoaster. - Probably my favorite way of the night, which is because I didn't think it was gonna happen. I was fairly certain about it when we talked about it

in our predictions and even after some of the precursor awards that happened, which had all been going to Michael Ballman for one battle after another. And I hope people saw my interview with her on this show. She's obviously, you know, an incredibly thoughtful artist.

And this is a historic victory.

A woman who's never won in cinematography

in the history of the Academy Awards, 98 years, it took. - And everyone in the new room knew that fact. And stood up, two amazing things happened. So we weren't in the room. I was doing my makeup and watching a different room.

And you see, you didn't hear me yell like, hey, but I was just screaming down the hall as soon as it happened. And then I went back to watch. - Jack Lucas now, we're very excited. - And two important things.

Rhyme Cougler ran back into the upper reaches of the Dolby Theatre to find her son and bring him down to her seat. So that she could see it, which is when Rhyme Cougler cemented his audience, you know, number one.

We're probably just like, amazing TV. And then she was like, you know, clearly moved, but also ready and she knew the historical significance and knew, you know, the names to shout out. And then she had every woman in the room stand up,

because it was, but not in an annoying girl bossy way. It was just really lovely and felt and also deserved. And it's a prize. So it was great. - It was the trifecta of a very serious and cool artist

working at the top of their craft, winning in a very cool blow the line category,

- Yeah. - That's for more, this is a really, really good moment.

And that was kind of like, that was ultimately the balance

between these two movies tonight and one battle emerged

“in the big, big race, but I think it was like not,”

there was no like, when casting happened, I was like, oh, I'm a little nervous for going to like eight for one battle and two for sinners. And this is gonna see you in a little-- - And that's kinda cool.

- Yeah. - It's not gonna feel right for it to be so unbalanced. And that didn't turn out to be the case. You know, if you films did not do all that great, you know, Marty Supreme,

winless the secret agent, winless. - Yeah. - And we did see your beloved Frankenstein, one, three awards below the line. - You know what?

Who, another person who gets an honorary, Merrill Streep, great in the audience award, Guillermo del Toro. - I thought you're gonna say a lordie. - Well, no, come on.

- I mean, we could do by what we're gonna do, must-ashes later, must-asch, but, no, it was very sweet. And he was seated up close because-- - He was shouted out in every, thank you from his film.

- Yeah. - And he was looking up. He was doing this billberg stare up at the stage, the whole time. It was great.

“He's a good audience member, good, you know,”

a good filmmaker, a good leader. - Let's talk a little bit about the other acting awards. So supporting actress, which was the first prize of the night went to Amy Madigan.

- That's right. - Who became the favorite after the actor awards. I would not say it was existing as the favorite, but who's narrative, so to speak,

always made a lot of sense.

And she went up and gave a daffy old nice speech from a person who hadn't been up there in 40 years, so it hadn't been nominated in that long. - Yeah, it was daffy, but also heartfelt. And it didn't get away from her.

- No. - You know, it was just charming. And ultimately, just shouted out at Harris, sitting in the front row, looking amazing. It was really lovely.

- So I asked you this while we were seeing together, at Harris, of course, was not having a Academy Award. His wife Amy Madigan does. Well, deserve for weapons, by the way, which fucking rocks and I look at him.

- Yeah. - And Harris is four Oscar nominees. - Yes. - I got to two. - You got two, over the two.

- The policy routine, he was wearing a white text today, just like the white flight vest that he wears in a policy routine, a perfect film

that will never be rewatchable.

And I don't know what Bill has against him. It's okay, they just, they saved three men from space, but whatever. And then, through my job. - True, but Joe, yeah, that's one of them.

- Yeah, but I didn't get the rest of them. - Well, one of them is a film he directed. - Okay. - It did get an Academy Award win. - Oh, no, it's not what Pollock.

- No, it's not what Pollock about Jackson Pollock. - He directed Pollock? - Yes, I have forgotten. - I have forgotten. - And the director of the film, Pollock,

Marsha Gay Harden won. - Okay. - For playing Jackson Pollock's wife, Lee Crasnors, that's her name, okay? - Yeah.

- Just pull Lee Crasnor out of my head. Amazing here on Netflix. And the other nomination that I completely forgotten is for the hours. - Number of the hours?

- Wow, is he Mr. Dalloway? - Yes, Steve Dalloway. - Actually, is he a member of the hour? - I don't know. Anyhow, Amy Madigan, terrific win,

keeping in the tradition of Oscar villains, you know, not actual in the competitions, but villains in movies, winning and supporting categories, like Heath Ledger, like Havier Barden. - Yeah.

- And I knew the minute that the telecast started, we'll talk about Conan Moore and a bit, but within two seconds, Conan was on screen, in full Aunt Gladys drag, like two seconds into the broadcast, and I was like, "Well, okay,

"so Amy Madigan is winning." - Yeah, I gotta go back to my generational feelings, we got to Conan. - I also want to say Amy Madigan was wearing the orangey, looked great.

- Nice, how wonderful, didn't clock them. (laughing) - Best supporting actor, and two Sean Penn. - Who was not an attendant? - Sean Penn.

- I say to you, why? - Joined an extraordinary class of actors who have three Academy Awards, and he did not show up to the show. - What I don't understand is that he was at the Golden Globes,

and we know he was at the Golden Globes because he was filmed smoking in the middle of the Beverly Hilton Ballroom. And so it can't be, it's not a blanket objection to a word season.

It's not like he didn't want to be bothered with all of it. He started on the train, he was there, and then he was no longer there. I don't understand. - He completely lost interest in this two months ago,

and now he has three Oscars. How many three-time Oscar-winning actors or actresses can you name? - Francis McDormand. - That's one.

- Marrel Street. - That's two. - Denzel still only has two.

“- Nikolson only has two, or does Nikolson have three?”

- Nikolson has three.

- Nope, just two.

There are eight total, okay.

- Okay. - Got three. - Well four makes sure on Penn. - Okay, four makes sure on Penn. Okay, there've gotta be some more men here. - There's a very obvious man.

- Denzel, they lose. - That's five. - Okay, because sometimes I'm rounding up to four, but who else, the next three? - Tom Higgs has two. - The next three are classic cinema.

- Okay, Tom Higgs has two, because he won for Philadelphia, and for Scump in a row, but then he was snobbed for Apollo 13, the next year. - Yes, so I've heard. - Um, okay, classic six, short,

but you brought up movie trivia and let me go. - I don't know because there's nothing to say about Sean Penn's speech. I was like, this is a lot for the Sean Penn moment. - I'm not carrying Grant, 'cause they didn't give him

a Oscar, Jimmy Stewart. - No. - Okay, um. - Two were easy, one is hard. - Uh, not Paul Newman, uh, but two or two gals. - More two gals.

- Well, Katherine Hepburn, Katherine Hepburn, - Katherine Hepburn, yes, that's one. - She is four.

“- Well, yeah, I think we were rounding up,”

bring her more, I thought we were doing Katherine Hepburn. - This is for us, okay, two more. - I didn't know you could go. - You're hanging there, Mama, you got it. - You're going to do it.

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- You're going to do it. - You're going to do it. - You're going to do it. - Sean Penn. - Sean Penn.

- Sean Penn. - Sean Penn who interviewed El Choppel. - Do you think Sean Penn? - Sean Penn. - Egor and Bergman would have had a lot to say to each other.

- Kind of yes, right. - I kind of do. - That's what I brought up. - Well, you know Robert Rosalini, who in Bergman and Mary know famously interested in the post-war the carnage in Italy in the 1940s and 50s.

That's Sean Penn loves to go to war sites. I'm not making a joke. He really does.

“- That's what he goes to war torn areas.”

He goes to countries in need. - Sean Penn is just a crazy cat. - You know, this is three Oscars for that guy. - I just can't believe it. - This is not insightful commentary.

- If you don't show up to collect your Oscar. - Yes, it comes. It goes to rate to me. - Do you have several Oscars waiting at home? - Do they mail it to you?

- Do they have to send someone to messenger? - It probably has to go to the post office to pick it up. Or the library. Where does he have to go? - It's Sean?

- What specific institution does he have to visit to come pick it up? Brokeface. Broke down a little bit. It's been a long day. - A long day, my hearing fell off.

I tried to fix this before, but I knew this was going to happen. - Jesse Buckley. She won best interest. This has been understood to happen for months and months. - Yes.

- She gives an incredible performance and amnit, of course.

Bill Simmons is fair movie the year. Van Lathens fair movie the year. Just touching, touching soul. I mean, they both love it. - I know what I'm talking about.

- Every time I see them, number one. - I love him. - Like stop making eye contact with me so intensely. - I know. It's perfect.

- So I'm doing one. - No, you can't. The thing is, is that it won't stay on. - No, it'll send my ear. - Okay.

We'd love free to try it. - We're just putting it right here. - I had to take the bracelet off because it was clinking against the table. You know what? Black ties and podcasting don't necessarily go together.

We're working every day. - I'm thriving. - Further, the definitions of what I said. - It's a stronger than ever. - Okay, I just came out here like this and then you won't be able to see it.

Jessie Buckley won. And she did the full cover your face, like instant cry. Reaction shot, which I thought was a tiny bit too much. Given that we knew that she was going to win.

- I've always wondered this.

I've never won anything, of course. - Yeah. Ever? What's up with the eye heart podcast, did we win? - Oh, wait.

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“- I think it's the day after the announcement.”

- It's so true. Except for Kate Hudson who is like, "Do I have any more paid promo with Grogo to do before I get to go home and get drunk?" - Which is how I feel. - She sold it very well. - She does.

- And she has always looked very beautiful.

And I hope she's having a nice time at a party right now. - What's pivot briefly to that conversation? So I would say Disney, the Disney Corporation, seemed very comfortable, synergizing. Some of their products with this award show.

We saw a reunion between Chris Evans and Robert Downey Junior. - Right. - Two guys who have been a part for so long. - What have they been doing without each other? I don't know.

But they were reunited because they're promoting a forthcoming Avengers movie. It was the 14th anniversary since their first Avengers film who fucking cares. And then we saw Pedro Pascal and Sigourney Weaver

presents an award which led to that Grogo moment that you mentioned. - Yes. - openly promoting the Mandalorian and Grogo, also a Disney film. - Sure.

- It also saw an win tour and an half of the way. - That's right. - I thought in one of the better of the bits. - Certainly the better, the synergy moments. - Presenting for costume design and makeup and hair styling.

Of course, connected to the devourous product too. Which is coming out in six weeks. You know, Disney won't have the Oscars in three years. - Yeah. - YouTube will be taking the show over.

Cohen and made a joke about that very fact. The show, which was very funny. Thanks to Jane Lynch. And also the credits sequence of the Oscars when he did the one battle.

Send up and then they replaced the title on the door from Forever Host, Conan O'Brien to Forever Host, Mr. Beast. - Yes. - Very funny. It all comes for all of us and it came for Conan tonight.

I thought this was like gross, but I get it. But also Disney's supposed to do.

“And why are more studios just buying time during the Oscars?”

20 million people are going to watch the show.

I do think we could do it a bit better. The Anne Hathway and I went to her one was at least. It understood the subject matter that it was working with. And they had Anna do very little, but do it well. I'm going to need a timing for actually living up

to her reputation performatively. - Yes. And then, but the other two. The Robert Johnny Jr. Chris Evans one, which I realized in retrospect is like the Marvel moment

that we were sold, which is two guys doing really bad, half-hearted copy about what gifts they gave each other for the Avengers anniversary? - Really, really dingy stuff. - It's really, really, like I would have asked for

some new copy where I am. But the, the Grogan one is, how I feel about Mandalorian and Grogu in general, which is this does look sort of like the bottom wrong of IP management delivered to small children

and we should all be ashamed of ourselves. And, and I'm sad that Sigourney River participates in it. And also the report from home is that my son was psyched. And he was waiting and waiting and waiting for the performance of Golden, which they saved until 655 p.m.

Pacific, 955 Eastern. - I genuinely don't understand that. But, you know, at least Grogu showed up at some point. And he was like, can you believe it's Grogu? So, you know, I don't know.

Like I, like all of the celebrated filmmakers who won Oscars tonight, and but a parrot. - In terms of the arts, would you say that you'd love puppets? - I like them more than cartoons, yes. - I say, okay, good to know, because that was some of the way

to make it take place. You went to a puppetry camp. - I did. At the center for puppetry arts in Atlanta.

But I have to tell you that it was very hard

“to puncture the tennis ball in order to get, you know,”

the appropriate steering instruments. - This is my solemn vow.

Never quit to show with you.

Never. It's moments like that. They're just bravo. - I want to all the performing arts gifts. Publishery is performing art.

Check out the people at Bob Baker's Marrying Hat. - I'm aware. I'm a huge fan. - What? - See them walking around in their red.

Just like on the street. I'm like, that is a real celebrity. - Those are the Bob Baker Marrying the puppets. - The puppets? - The puppets?

- Yeah, they're incredible. - Yeah, shout out to them. I know. We have to spend many, many minutes. I like their space, you know?

- Wow. - But if it was Leo, you'd roll up to him and be like, "Yo, what's up dog?" - No. I will respect Leo's space. - Yeah.

There was a lot of, there was a decent amount of synergy. I still find it very strange that the Super Bowl has more capital with the movie business than the Oscars does. I mean, obviously more people watch the Super Bowl, but there's a captive audience of movie fans

that are tuning in for the Academy Awards. And like watching the commercials tonight, and even watching the presenters, like how many of them were even promoting new movies. Tonight, I found that to be very odd.

- I don't know, but we got multiple Rolex ads, and including like the same Rolex ad, Rolex ad played twice, and then there was a special Zendaya only Rolex ad. - Okay.

- So maybe that says good things about the net worth of the Oscar-watching committee audience. - Sure. - I don't know. - Here's Rolex?

- I don't know, I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. I don't know.

- But what I still want to say was that you didn't want to study a lot of the studio. It's the master of the club. It has a soft hand. It's a master's.

- You can say, you can say that you're friends. - You mean, you have a story, right? - But you don't believe it. - No, it's not. - No, you don't believe it.

- No, it's just a story. - It's just a story. It's just a story. And when you work, it's called "Catching".

- That's it? - Save. How do you know that? - It's just a story. - Now it's just a story.

- Let's try it out. - Other words, let's talk about the trio of animated international and documentary. - Okay. - Animated one too. - It's real up down.

- Yes. - Up down the roller coaster of emotions here. That's how roller coaster goes. - Animated feature went to Kpop Demon Hunter. - Yes.

- Very early in the night. - Yes, Maggie Kay and Chris Apohons spoke. Maggie seemed knocked out to be very emotional. - I thought it was lovely. - I liked what Chris had to say about art and cultures connecting to each other through art.

“I think that movie, if you can just remove your cynicism for five seconds,”

is an amazing way to introduce young people to all kinds of different kinds of art.

And I think it's a really cool movie. And it's like a pretty good win and an interesting win in terms of that category, which is really evolving right now. Like, it used to just be like, alright, it's Pixar, and then maybe every 10 years you can be a Zaki.

And now I feel like it's a little of the aperture has been widened for what's eligible. And also, the interesting moment for so many pictures animation too. Obviously Netflix distributed the movie, but they've just had another hit with goat and kind of riding high right now. - I loved the moment.

I loved the speech. I thought both Maggie and Chris. Like, they are another situation where they've won everything. All season long and kind of had to know it was coming, but still, and we're ready.

And knew what they wanted to say, but also we're clearly very moved by the moment. So it was great. I was happy to see at least one K-pop demon hunters up earlier because I do know that there were a lot of young children

just waiting for K-pop demon hunters wherever they could get it. It's been interesting, like in the span of this award season as when my household has really caught on to that movie

because we're a bit younger, but it's powerful.

And I agree of all of the other kids stuff that I'm watching. It teaches kids great things, not just about music and Korean culture and, you know, how sometimes girls are cooler than boys, but it's just a way of thinking by yourself.

So I'm very proud. I'm very happy for them. - International feature. - Sentimental value from Norway, Yokem Trers, film one here. And I think after it won it,

after it seemed like it had the run of show,

“there was not really a lot of the sense that the secret agent”

or any other film was going to come in behind it. - It was your action. - It was your action. - For everyone with their itchy fingers online in the past week.

- Sometimes did still go with the secret agent.

- I never really came off.

- I almost did. - Okay. - I had it noted because I, hello to the people of Brazil. They are very powerful in their enthusiasm

for this movie and this performance

“is I think part of what has propelled it along”

with the good people at Nian, who buy movies it can and do the work. And the sentimental value had four acting nominations and screenplay and director and picture. It was just,

and it was kind of the only place for a win to go. So I don't think anything else ever had a chance, but I don't know. Secret agent is an amazing film if you haven't seen it. - It is.

And now feels overlooked. And now we've done a lot to try to promote the greatness of that movie, but zero wins tonight.

And that leaves us a documentary.

- Yeah. - Where you had a sour push on when it was announced that Mr. Nobody against Putin. - Yes.

- One. They didn't really care for this slate of documentary nominees. All were the issues. And all medium to questionable films.

And I found this to be the most questionably executed of the films. And I thought that the speech that the filmmaker gave about tying it to a current moment was perceptive.

I would have like to see a little bit more of that in the film and a little bit less of the solipsistic nature of the posh character. And I still want to know what's going on in that town, but I guess no one will ever tell me.

I hope they're okay. - Yeah.

I'm not my favorite category this year.

And it ended with kind of a strange win. I don't want to speak too strongly, but I think we need to re-evaluate what this category is supposed to do.

“And I think the branch is a little weird,”

and nobody knows it's a little weird. - Yeah. - The historically been very finicky. And it's not just because it's hard to predict. It's mostly because the slate of films that we have

have kind of shifted dramatically, a listener of the show. - Well, this is so good. - It's been so good. It's been so long, some extraordinary research and analysis around social issues becoming dramatically more important

to the nominees in this category over time, and also increasingly more international nominees. That in and of itself, there's nothing wrong with it. But this category has undergone a pretty dramatic shift. Next time we talk Docs, I'll read more deeply from that research.

But yeah, wasn't my favorite. It's a lot of the shorts categories, because speaking of documentaries, all the empty rooms did win. - Yes.

- The devil is busy tonight. No, you did not predict the devil is busy tonight. - No, I just wanted it to end tonight. That was the exception to my annual "The Shorts" should be in a different awards show, "Rent,"

because I was quite moved by it. And every once in a while, I'm wrong. And it's important to say that. - Wow. - I'm very brave and sincere to you.

Live action short film. I've produced perhaps the best moment of the night, which was the best moment. But something interesting. - This is something where I was like, "Oh, why?"

I have not seen this in some time. It's been, in fact, I think, 14 years since we had a tie at the Academy Awards. - Yes, 2012. - Yes.

- The last. - And what kind was it? - It was something sound editing. - Yes. - And the winners were Skyfall and Zero or 30.

And I remember this. So live action short film. We did, in fact, have a tie. Kamele non-Jony was introducing this category. He took an absolute stray from Conan O'Brien,

who said that the following presenter has the physique of a Marvel hero. - Yes. - And the voice of a Marvel collector. And Kamele clearly did not know that was coming.

- He was extremely funny. - And she said the receiving of that joke. - And then he also had a pretty good bet about how maybe more feature films could just be best live action films and then did a whole list.

“But what I remember was just one battle.”

(laughs) - Yes. - And then she was posted. - It was very funny. And he opened the envelope for this award

and he revealed and explained perfectly. - Yeah. - That there was a tie that he was not joking. And that the way that this would go is he would announce one film's name.

- Mm-hmm. - People would come up, give an acceptance speech. Then they would leave and then he would announce the next film's name. And then those filmmakers would come up and give their speech.

And it went over beautifully. - It was an extroverted nary moment of crowd management. To the point that if he was tipped off, then great job by everyone involved.

He said, there's a tie. I'm not joking. We're gonna get through this. So very clear, he would be like, he would be a great elementary school teacher. I don't know why I keep invoking elementary school.

But so did he know to do that? Or did he just decide? - I don't know. - I don't know how- - 'Cause there were 500 word essay

inside of the envelope explaining what he should do. Like how did he know that? - I don't know. - I don't know. - For some of the price waterhouse stuff

into question there. Like what information was he giving information

“that there was a tie but didn't say who the winners were?”

- I could be that and could be explained what to do because I remember after the moonlight, lava land, debacle.

It was explained that there is always,

or at that time, maybe procedures, maybe securities been opt since then. But that there would be a price waterhouse. There was always a price waterhouse Cooper representative standing

on the side of the stage who knew the results. So that if anything went wrong on stage, they could intervene. - That's actually what C.R. is doing right now. - To the stage, he first on stage.

You guys shut up, you're wrong. It wasn't just he bookly one. - So maybe someone there. But he looked surprised. - He did, he sold it.

- He did everybody get briefed like that if there's a tie, here's what happens. - I don't know. - I didn't look like most presenters are paying that much attention.

- No, ties are fascinating. There was a question about the possibility of a tie in our Instagram live before the show. And also another thing that I said to you

was that I was having some second thoughts

“about my pick for best live action short film.”

You know, you and I both pick two people changing saliva, which had been the heavy favorite and it was very light. And then I was thinking about the singers the Netflix film about a group of men

and a bar singing and how it makes people feel which is they feel moved by it. And they like it. And we split the difference here. They both won.

- Yes, so just to be clear, we are counting the live action short that we picked that did when one of the two Oscars as a correct prediction. - Yeah, I think that's right.

- Yeah, because otherwise no one predicted a tie. - Well, yes. - If someone did predict a tie out there in the world, I mean, they can't prove it. - It just made a very difficult

to predict category that much easier, which is we salute them. We did not get correct, best animated short. - Yeah. - And that prize went to the girl who cried pearls

and we predicted butterfly. And it didn't win. And he thought. I don't care for, stop motion doesn't speak to me.

It's not my preferred form of animation. - Okay. - Thank you for your time. - Those are your only thoughts on it. - What, I mean, what do you got?

- No, that's, that's fine.

“- Okay, that just about does it, I think.”

You know, we haven't spoken in any detail about costume design or makeup and hair styling, production design. - All went to Frankenstein. - They all went to Frankenstein.

- As predicted? - Mm-hmm. Uh, let's spend a little time on the show itself. - Okay.

- Conan O'Brien was back for a second year.

- Mm-hmm. - He opened the show with a Billy Crystal-esque filmed montage in which he appeared in several of the nominated films, starting with his appearances and Gladys.

Or it has Conan in and Gladys Drag. - As Conan having like what is either a nightmare or a weapons-esque, you know, alternate reality where everyone else sees Conan, but he knows he looks like on Gladys.

And this small children, this small group of children who are following behind him on all screaming also seem to think that he looks like a Gladys. - Yes. - And they're in his thrall as such.

- And he raised through F1. He raised through Marty Supreme. He raised through Hamlet. Very funny in the band behind Hamlet. He raised through, he had a sit-down conversation

with Gustav Borgon, sentimental value. And he raised through sinners as well. - He sang Danny Boy at the, you know, the open the barn we let me in, see. - Right.

- This was all set to the Beastie Boy sabotage. - It was. - Yeah. - And, once again, my adolescence to the four,

a lot of my stuff colliding. - This is specifically happening to us more and more with Beastie Boy songs. - Yes. - Because they're getting Lucer and Lucer

with the licensing. - Yes. - And every time we are generationally confronted with this was the most sacred, coolest thing

that I could possibly know. And now it's in a Minions movie. Or it's at the beginning of the Oscars. - Yeah. - And what does that mean for us,

as people? What does that mean for what's cool? What does that mean for time? - Mm-hmm. - None of its answers we want.

So I think we just got to move on. - I thought it was a funny ending. - I thought it was a funny ending. - Yeah. - I thought Conan's monologue was a little weak

and I think he felt it a little bit. And Conan famously on his show delivered many a week monologue and often played into the fact that he was like,

It was kind of fun on his head.

- Right, right. - He was very funny with that. And it's very funny for him to be doing that in the room. I seem to remember him killing a lot more last year.

I could be wrong. Part of it was just the kind of excitement to see him in that setting.

“- I think also he did have a very sincere moment”

at almost the very end of the opening that acknowledge if not in specific terms, all of the horrors currently happening in the world around us both in the United States and outside of the United States,

some much of it at the United States doing. But just acknowledging that it is a very tough time and talking about the power of movies really like as a portrait of something to look forward to of hope of things getting better

and I thought it was sincere and really definitely like handled. And it made the silliness of the rest of the monologue make more sense. There weren't very many going for it.

Jokes, everything was goofy. You know, there were like lunch meat puns. And you know, delivered in the cone in, you know, nodding your head a lot. But charm, it wasn't on funny.

It was just kind of goofy. And like he wasn't really trying to hurt anyone. - It wasn't in general an overtly political academy or it's we already mentioned one of the speeches for Best Documentary, then spoke to it.

Harvey Arbordem spoke very strongly and said free palestine from the stage, which is something that is not. - And all wars. - Yes, not coming.

“- Also with like not the tiny ice out pen night.”

So I didn't see many of those tonight. But like he had like full medallions. - Yes. - Which you know, is consistent with how Havir Arbordem has spoken his views

at every public event that he has attended. - Yes. - But I'm very few people at this award show who even spoke to the severity of a lot of issues around the world in a specific way.

- Yeah. - You know, there were a lot of bromides. Of course, about being together and caring for one another. Not a lot of specificity this year. Conan...

- They also then ended with a whole opera bit. But not a timmy bit. He did the timmy joke. - How are you feeling about that? How are you feeling about the...

- The ballet and the opera? - Well, just that controversy took off after the voting ended. He's been roundly roasted. - Yeah, to be very clear.

That all happened. The interview happened before. But the variety that clip being posted in the outrage all happened after voting closed. So if it had anything to do with the results

in best actor, it was a reflection rather than a cause of timmy losing the Oscar. - Do you think it was a little overkill with a lot of the commentary in jokes and... - Yeah, well by said by tonight, by Oscars night,

it wasn't funny. And especially by the fourth one. Even the cone in joke was like... Timmy was kind of taking Timmy under his wing.

“But I can't remember the exact phrasing,”

but it wasn't at... - Well, it was like, even when the guys who won best lie about the short film were making a shot, taking a... - That did ballet coming out of the opera, man.

- But come on. - Yeah, you're not funny anymore. It's not creative. So yeah, I think it's over. You know, as you said to me,

they'll never take that film from us.

They'll never take the... - I love Marty's story. - I love Marty's story. - I love Marty's story. - I know... I love that performance. I am team Timmy.

I'm really, really happy that Michael B. Jordan won. I think it's deserving, but... - Yeah. - It's a good one. Timmy's... - Enough with ballet.

- Yeah, exactly. - Two, three, man. It's like, this is going to get going all over again. Doing three is about to be an Oscar movie, too. So like, buckle up.

He's going to be back. - That's... that's great. - But no, but then the second opera thing was when... after his moment of sincerity, Conan did a whole...

this is what I do if I won an Oscar bit. And he had like a full... he accepted the Oscar on like a mountain set and Joshua Owen was singing a song about it, and I was quite a meast.

- My favorite Conan joke of the night was when he brought up sinners, and he mentioned that Kugler is not a member of the academy, because he doesn't feel that, you know, we should individually be celebrating the works

of a single film. - He doesn't like judging his peers's work. - Yes. - And then Conan said, "But the rest of you prex seemed to love it."

I thought it was the kind of like mean-spirited and the host needs to have some times.

- Sure. - Kim will always I thought did a nice job,

kind of balance it out. And don't forget, you guys are fucking clowns, a little bit in all of his stuff. - Speaking of Kim, they had him come out to present the two documentary awards,

which I thought was really great programming and great producing. - Some really good ABC synergies as well. What else? I mean, what else?

We mentioned the YouTube Oscars joke at the end of the film with the Mr. Beast bit. There was also a YouTube joke about beam pro and Jane Lynch. There was adventure for Oscar Rhodes, AI improving films,

shrinking down the images that you would see, and redefining them.

- Yeah, which were much earlier in the show than they usually are. - Billy Crystal came out to celebrate the Reiner's and his work with Rob Reiner over the years

“and then walked through some of the films”

that they made together

and that incredible run that he had

from roughly 1980, or in 1995. And I really liked that they did that. After he spoke, they started to kind of start the traditional in Memorial Package, where they showed us a series of people

who had worked in Hollywood over the years, making films and internationally as well. And then they cut out and they cut to Rachel McAdams, who gave a tribute to Diane Keaton, which at first I thought was going to be

a little I-Rollie, and then I was kind of crying by the end of it. - I thought it was really good. - It was so beautiful. - I mean, we've talked about it before on this show,

this year, Rachel McAdams is at the start. They, and a wonderful presence, they started together and it truly underrated romantic comedy. Morning Glory, also starring Harrison Ford.

He makes a frittata. And that is how he announces this piece. But she had real stories, and she told she closed it with an amazing story

of a song that Diane Keaton

would sing on set, make new friends, but keep the old and then exactly. And they weave it into the tribute.

“It was great writing, great performance,”

and she's such a lovely person. And also, you know, she pointed out that Diane Keaton was a legend to every single aspiring actress, especially anyone who wanted to do comedic work,

which Rachel McAdams does. - I thought they really did write, but I really liked how they did that. And as I was watching that, and even before Barbara Streisand came out

to honor Robert Redford, all I think to myself is like, this is the point of this show. It's not to honor people who passed away, but it's to say that there's connectivity

in the work, movie to movie career to career, that these people know each other, that they're interested in each other and care about each other,

and that they can communicate

about things that their peers do and ways that maybe we can. And if you're not platforming that, and making that more a point of the show, and obviously you want to entertain the masses,

and you want to talk about the new movies, but there's just more of this in the show. And maybe it was 'cause Rachel McAdams was just good at it, and what she wrote or held someone helped her,

I don't know what happened, but it was really well nicely done, but same for Billy Crystal, and same for Barbara Streisand when she on a rubber road for it,

and they obviously worked together many years ago, and had known each other for decades. And she gave kind of a sleepy tribute, Barbara Streisand, as in her 80s,

and then she started singing, and she was singing her balls off. I can't express the number of different emotions that I felt in the moment, which Barbara Streisand was handed the microphone,

and seemingly was not expecting it. And then launched into memories, and it was, I went from, oh no,

“and I think I was clutching the side of the couch,”

because in general, I get nervous when people sing live. Yes. And then she still babes, even though she doesn't want to be called babes,

as we learned from her tribute to Robert Redford. Yeah. She still got it, but I really, I was down,

I was horrified, I was up, I was moved. Well, in my head,

I was like recently, Adam's just crushed this room, bringing the energy down here, come on, like let's get it going.

But she sang well. The tribute was in memory, and section was almost 10 minutes long, I think maybe longer, much, much longer,

and then that just reflects that it was a pretty extraordinary year, in terms of the number of like, true, great Hollywood legends that we lost. But I think you're right that they found a way to like,

to spend a moment with those really titanic, kind of outsized names, but you fit a lot of people in and made it like an actual moment in the show. You could have spent more time on,

on Claudia Cardinale and Robert Duval and Vel Kilmer, and I mean, they weren't really well-known for here. Yeah. Yeah. Actors and actresses are really big careers,

decades on careers. People want Academy Awards, who didn't get some of that time, so yeah, I just thought it was nicely done

and really good on the Academy for carving out more time for it. Musical performances, speaking of bad singers. Sure.

So I lied to you. Yes. Which came before Golden, and effectively recreated the scene, and we traveled through past and future of musical styles,

across multiple diasporas. Kind of like shockingly well done. I was amazed that they even tried to do it, and they were even trying to replicate some of the camera work.

That's what I'm saying. And you know, and they added in some performances, it kind of crescendoed to Miss D. Copeland, performing ballet,

front and center, but I mean, Miss D. Copeland, so why not if you can get her.

and I had the same reaction of like,

“"Oh, they're trying to recreate this out of context,”

a scene that seemed to jar so many people in the, in the situation of the film." And then it just kind of worked. It worked, yeah. And I think, you know,

in some ways, distills what that scene is trying to do in the movie. And then it just kind of worked. I think, you know,

in some ways, distills what that scene is trying to do, in the movie for a larger audience. But yeah, it was cool. I was also,

I mean, I assume Ryan Cookler, I didn't actually direct that performance. So kind of the balls on whoever to be like, "No, no, no, we got this,

and we can adapt it to this stage." I thought it was really impressive. And I thought it was not just, you know, first of all,

Miles Kate knew his voice is just unbelievable and live he crushed it. But incorporating Jamie Lawson and Lee John Lee, and actors in Jack O'Connell, and Lola Kirk having a,

you know, like the fact that it felt like they were actually celebrating the movie. It wasn't like a tribute to a movie, featuring dancers who were not related to the movie. Like the Oscars has been guilty of that many times in the past.

And this was like, "No, these people who made this "are remaking this before your eyes." Like it is live theater. Yeah.

And that is really cool. Again, something that a lot of really good decisions like this throughout the show, that were impressive.

The golden performance I thought was a little stiff. I didn't think it was as impressive either visually

or sound-acly first of all.

We had to wait too long for it. It was curtailed. You know, they didn't sing the whole song. And the,

here's what I'll say. E.J. hit the note life. And I was a little, I was nervous. You know,

and it's probably because I've seen K-pop even hundreds so many times. So I have the, from the plot in my head. Yeah.

But she can hit it live. But they had adjusted the mix just in case she could it. So you could barely hear it. Which I thought was a shame. And yeah,

they looked a little nervous. It also started with a, there were some demons for a second or two on stage before they got to the performances if they were trying to recreate the movie.

Um, How would you fare against a demon? You mean a K-pop demon hunter demon? Yeah. Well, I mean,

I,

“Oh, I think I was one demon versus other.”

And those, they're pretty clueless. Those demons. Right. They're just like watering plants with coffee.

They don't really know where they are. Yeah. That's feminism. And I just don't, I would be fine with it.

I would just say, No, thank you. You know? Not sure how that happened. I just like,

I would handle it. Like they would. Okay. You know? I would show them how it's done,

done, right? And then, so that's not so different. So,

you know, I wouldn't be your weapon of choice. Um, I don't know. Um,

the blade, the blaster. Hmm. No, no blaster.

No guns, okay. Okay. And the blade. Or just to pass my hands.

What about the bow? Or the size? No, the bow. I don't really have that. No, I'm in the bow.

Like the staff. No, I don't. I don't like gear. You know, it's like here.

No, I really don't. Have you ever been rock climbing?

“I have because it was required in my elementary school.”

It's a long story. Did you also go to rock climbing camp? No, but we went in like rock climbing trips. And you had to like,

repel, and trust you asked me anyway. I don't. We've been going for maybe almost 90 minutes, which is still shorter than it took you to tie that bow tie.

But let's talk about the bow tie. Yeah. Looked at several tutorials. So you were watching Instagram. Yeah.

You were looking at like wiki houd. Yeah. You know, diagrams.

What finally broke through for you?

I was not paying attention closely enough to what I was supposed to be doing. And it's on me. It all worked out. It miraculously happened. You were trying to do it.

Like, but I was trying to put it into the office. That was the front of the thing. So you were just sitting there for a full hour. And yeah. Yeah.

But pretty pathetic. Um, do you think it cut down on your tweeting? That's a good. That's probably some correlation. Yes.

That's that positive for all of us. Slow down in social media output. Yeah. Which is probably for the best, right? Um,

One Epstein joke. Right. Yeah. In England, we arrest our pedophiles. In England, they arrest their pedophiles.

Yes. Uh, that was pretty much it, right? Yeah. Did you think there should have been more? I'm good.

Uh, can we do bridesmaids? Let's talk about bridesmaids. I was just good. A whole time. You know, when you're talking about the pre-show.

And I was like, okay. They do this. They have reunions of casts. And they put like a middling anniversary against it. And then Melissa McCarthy rose burned Kristen wig.

Maya Rudolph and Ellie Kemper come out. Right. Oh, this is it's the 15th anniversary. 15th anniversary. 15th anniversary.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously big name for my Rudolph.

Because her husband was nominated for it. Expect to do in many Academy Awards. Right. Um, but help bridesmaids is still a beloved and memorable movie.

We're kind of in that zone.

“We're like whatever happened 15 to 20 years ago now is the pure nostalgia for younger”

people who are netting into watching the Oscars. And they were absolutely hilarious. It was easily the funniest moment of the night. It was so funny. So they were each given quote.

I'm quote notes from the audience to read halfway through. Right. His albumer was starting to explain what this the score. And they were all weird notes. Um, from Stella and Scar's guard of, you know, not actually.

Um, L fanning was actually just Stella and Scar's guard again. Leonardo DiCaprio who really, really played the bit with Roseburn. Perfectly. Uh, Benicio del Toro. Um, and then Street to Kobe dupe at the end.

Really, really funny. Then they came back. And what were they talking about? Well, that was when my Rudolph. Uh, a sound for sound.

They came back. She said earlier today when I was counting my money. I said to myself, what is sound? And, and Chris and wig had a follow-up to that. That was just like, that's 10 years of SNL working together.

Or they had a, they had a moment of chemistry. It was really, really, really, very good. Congratulations to all of them. Big fan, right? I do feel like every year.

Whenever whatever the SNL present or former SNL. Uh, cast members do to present, where I was just like, well, that was the best part of the night.

This is why I never cashed my wig check.

Wig is nine at a 10 times as a part of the bit. Like, she crushes that the Oscars. Yeah. That's great. Let's just not have her in the Martian.

But that's okay. You know? They canceled that show. They canceled the show. That Wesley, like so much.

Yeah. We'll never see it now. I've never seen the show. They canceled it. They canceled it.

Like two days after Wesley was here. Oh, no. Should I binge it tonight? Yeah. That's when we got plenty of time.

Yeah. Adrian Brody presented best actor. And he had, there was a, he had a bit. Yeah. I got a lot of stuff written down on a piece of paper.

Right.

The problem is that Conan, like, made his joke before he did his bit.

So Conan took his bit from him, which is fine. Because Conan's bit was funnier. And then, I mean, at least we didn't really, at least he didn't give another speech, you know, after last year. Thank God. Yeah.

Okay. Let's go into post game reflections on what, what this is. Okay, 90 minutes. Yeah. Um, who is the next Paul Thomas Anderson?

I don't mean who's the next filmmaker who's going to be as good as him or what? Right. I mean who's the next person in line. That has been nominated many times. Okay.

Is widely beloved. Mm-hmm. But has never quite gotten over the line. Okay. So probably in his generation,

Ish could be a bit younger. Mm-hmm.

“They better remember that Paul Thomas Anderson had won zero Academy Awards.”

Right. You know, like Quentin Tarantino already has multiple Oscars for writing. For example, David Fincher on the other hand has zero Academy Awards. Yeah. Lots of an example.

Is it good? Do I think that it's going to happen for, I mean, Spike Lee, even though he does have an Oscar. Yeah, but he has an Oscar. Yeah. He has an Oscar.

Yeah. But you know what I mean. Yeah. But so someone who's been totally blanked. Yes.

Is there somebody out there right now? Mm-hmm. Because a lot of people who were kind of younger than, you know, no one already. He crossed the threshold. Right.

In terms of, you know, your beloved Sophia, she's already got one. That's right. I mean, so Fincher. There you go though. I don't know about Cliff Booth being the one.

You know, I think a lot about no Bombak who doesn't have an Oscar. Right. Of any kind. Mm-hmm. Speaking of people in that marriage who don't have Oscars.

Greta Gerwig obviously younger, but has been at the table a lot. Yes. He's been at the table. Yeah. He has an original screenplay.

That's right. Okay. Well. Um. Those are my two for you.

You know what doesn't have one? Mm-hmm. Ridley Scott. Well. Ridley Scott.

He has a film coming out this year. The dog stars. You guys aware of the dog stars? I'm looking forward to it. New really lovely.

Listen, same. I'd like to. People were asking me about like bucket list right after talking to Steven Spielberg. Yeah. Which I don't know if I mentioned this fucking dream of my life.

What an amazing Friday ahead.

Um. Never talk to Ridley. Never met him. Don't know him. Nothing.

“And I think I'd really like to dig in and try to get him to come on.”

Because you know he does. He's he's he's he's he's he's he's a man of a few words or only the words that he wants. I would enjoy it. I would like you talking to him. He's another filmmaker who's work.

I have studied closely. I really like his movies. Are we counting West Anderson's shorts? Oscar has one. Well, but it doesn't count.

You know, it's he has one. Okay. That's what I'm saying. The Paul Thomas Anderson thing. I think when people look at this not go and battles overrated or whatever.

No, he doesn't. And even said you make a guy work hard for one of these. He said that while he was holding on during his best director speech. He was a he'd been waiting a long time for somebody who a lot of serious movie fans are like, That's my faith.

Um, there's not that. That's not that common for that to happen. You know, who met Altman Kubrick. These people didn't win best director. Yeah.

You know, Lynch, Hitchcock Lynch, none of them won best director.

I never happened for any of those people.

Orson Wells. He never won best director. He shared a best original screenplay Oscar with Herman Mankowitz. They made a film about that. It's called Mank.

Do you think he did not win any Oscars for it? No. Yeah. I don't know real Mank's. I don't know real Mank's.

I'm the zodiac real attributes. Not for me. I feel my way. I like the film. I like I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know.

“I think that we got to get adventure and Oscar.”

But did he want it? I don't think he cares. Okay. That's why he's so cool. He had he had three big competition years.

Benjamin Button, social network and Mank. And he didn't come close. And I need those three. So maybe he's just like, fuck it. I'm going to make cool movies for a streaming service.

I look forward to seeing it. Any other, any other generational emotional closing thoughts here? So we wrap up this award season, which has been going on for very long. It feels kind of warm and fuzzy. Am I wrong right now?

This, this was a nice night. It should I, how long, like, how long before that turns. Am I wrong to trust that? Am I, am I wrong to, can we have an end of observing that? Can we have it?

Can we have a nice thing? Will you look at the discourse? Of course. I mean, I try not to, but, you know, then people serve me tweets of, you say, and stuff. And I'm like, oh, great.

Now I got to know about that. You say it like I, like a man holds a silver tray before you full of tweets. And you use tweezers to choose a lot of you. It's like, man, man, once again, shot his at it. He's treating about aliens and the mess.

Well, everything's coming up aliens in the mess. That's coming. Pretty soon. All right. Feeling good, up, down.

Yeah, I'll say it right here on Netflix. Well, the owner is on Netflix.

“I think that's your, that your goddamn redness.”

I think the meds are going to the world series. Oh, Christ. Okay. I think they are. I think Paul Thomas Anderson, one best picture.

So, what you've learned from the last 72 hours when you talk to Steven Spielberg. Yes. And your other hero, one best picture and best director. The best adapted screenplay. Yes.

And the Beastie Boys kicked off. And your, your child of heroes, Conan and the Beast Boys kicked off the first. Yes. Is that anything's possible, including the mats going to the world series? Not really that.

But sometimes the good guys win. That's all I'm saying. And we can make that if you will, it is no dream. Okay. And that's the energy that I'm bringing to 2026.

And if you're watching this show for the first time, this is how I always am.

I'm always very positive and very enthusiastic about my work in my life.

I'm wearing a taxi now. We will be talking more about the Oscar season, and especially the telecasts. Yes.

“In a mail bag, in mail bag form, when are we going to do it Tuesday?”

Yes. So send your questions to what? Big pic mail bag at gmail.com. That's big pic mail bag at gmail.com. I want to emphasize that's questions, not comments, not essays.

We won't be reading that. But our producer, Jack Sanders, he's had a long weekend. Spare Jack. He's been working extremely hard these last few days. You know, because I can't help myself.

I'm going to gin up some 2027 odds. Who do I think is going to be in the race? That will be completely, really. Okay. You know, within a few months time.

But this is just how they made me. This is just how God made me full of optimism and enthusiasm and sincerity. You know, I'm just, I'm happy for you. I've worked out just this once for you. The guy in the text wins the night.

Just this once incredible night for white guys.

I'm just unbelievable. Well, this was fun. This this season was too long. Way way way too long. We've got to cut it short.

Oscar 2027 date. Google. Google. They haven't announced it. Okay.

Let's go. Let's go. February 10th or whatever. That would be sick. That's definitely not going to happen.

Last question for you before we wrap up ratings. They were, I think, at 19.7 million last year, up a tick from previous years. That was attributed to, I think, in part, largely in part, who blew finally streaming the show. Okay. I think they're probably steady.

Okay. Because yes, sinners and Kpop, even hunters and all these very beloved films were nominated.

And I think people probably gave up.

You know, I just, I don't, I don't know. I don't think ratings were going to go up.

“I think that we have to create a brave new world where we find, you know, where we go beyond linear audiences.”

You know, we reach people in other ways, like in on Netflix or on our stupid little YouTube clips. So what, you know. Uh, no, that's wrong. Is there going to be up? Okay.

They're going to be up because this is a time of positivity.

This is a time of greatness.

Uh, people love the movies. Did you know that the box office is up significantly this year over last year? Well, that's great. I, I feel, I feel renewed. I think that's great.

“There, we could drill down on some numbers if you wanted to there.”

But it's fine. What do you mean? I like it. I don't know. Is that that's cumulative box office?

That's not a counting for inflation or yeah. But sure. I bet the numbers of people going to the movies count that up for me. Well, you've got to call deep in today. Go to talk about that.

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about. Listen, movies are a full of movies are alive to the people who love them. And that is us. So, and that is the people who are still watching this weird podcast.

So, that is beautiful.

“Do you think Ted Serendos after the show raised home so that he could watch us?”

Do you think he skipped all the parties so that he could watch us? What if we are being projected live on a Netflix like a party thing? You know what I mean? Or if it's like, or if they have, you know, so he can watch people so that he can hear us. Exactly.

Well, I assume it's close to action. You know, so that people can do whatever they need to do. That's not our best friend. Give us some of the language used here today. What a what a time.

What a season. Yeah.

What an amazing job by you.

Thanks so much. You too. Congratulations. Doing my best. Thank you so much to Jack Sanders.

And thanks to everybody here at Spotify who helped us go live. That's been wonderful. Thanks to Lucas Cavanaugh for his production support today. And in these recent days, as I said, we will be back with a mail bag in just a couple of days. Email us at bigpickmailbag.com.

We will answer your questions about the Oscars. We will see you then. [Music]