The Oscar Hangover Mailbag. Plus: ‘Dune: Part Three’ Is Coming!

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and eligibility vary by state. Okay, Amanda, we just, we just sat here together and we watch Dune Part III the trailer. No, I didn't messiah. I noted it. Dune 3.

It is officially called Dune Part III, the conclusion to the epic trilogy of Frank Herbert novelizations as adapted by Dune, even the news. Yes. So am I allowed to talk now? Yes, I asked you to not speak while we watched.

I did watch it on my phone in the car or what you're on. I didn't even know of it, because I was so excited and project popcorn. I immediately wanted to race in and watch it. We just watched it. How are you feeling?

What do you think? I'm pro these movies. Yeah. I'm excited. It looks good.

It's not what I thought was going to happen in Dune, Messiah, Navaritidal, Dune 3. Yes, a lot of the speculation. Yeah, we know that we have seen on this, maybe they're hiding the ball on some of the crazy revelations that you fear or were excited about. Yeah.

I, of course, has a non-dune knower and excited to learn about this story for the first

time. And I'm with you. I'm like, so I'm vibrating. I'm so excited.

“I think epic scale sci-fi made by a true artist like Villeneuve is fucking awesome.”

And this looks as good as the last two films, Robert Pattinson and Andy Taylor Joy joined the cast. I was going to ask Pattinson Oscar, is it time? Oh, wow. He's clearly, he's being some sort of villain character.

Villeneuve with a karate kid die job at least. Yeah, yeah. And looks like he doesn't even say anything in this trailer, but I was like, oh, weird Pattinson is locked in. Yes.

And that as we saw this year, can often lead to a supporting actor, actress, not. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I think there's an expectation that this is sort of the trifecta, that this is a fandom movie. It's a general audience box office movie and that it's probably going to be in awards

movie, whether or not it can pull the return of the king movie.

We've been speculating about that for 40 years since we saw the first tune movie.

A lot of the concerns that were raised about why this wouldn't be do not seem to be in this trailer. This looks like a like a war movie. This looks like a Lawrence of the Arabia style epic and no one that we, there were no worms in the in the trailer, which, you know, doesn't mean that there aren't worms in the

film and maybe they are saving it, but from what we've seen no one becomes a worm. And I don't think that the worm is holding it back from being considered prestigious. You know, if you go back and watch the return of the king, you know, you've got your walking trees and you've got your little people and you've got your creatures, you know, you've got, orcs, you've got all these things in those movies and they're still

considered great feats of cinematic triumph. So I'm just thrilled for this movie. I do find this movie to be a really interesting test case for where Hollywood and studio distribution is out right now because the thing that is confirmed it seems is that this movie, despite what I had might have suggested on the pod, despite what I have heard from

people over the last few months, is sticking to its December 18th release date. That is the same release date as Avengers doomsday. Now, the reason why it's the most anticipated film of 20, 20 seconds. Yeah, I mean, the reason why I thought it would move is because obviously Avengers movies are guaranteed building at the box office or so they were.

And so they have no reason to move. They have secured that date and, you know, as we know, in modern blockbuster filmmaking, those premium format screens are really valuable to the box office and really valuable to the movie's history.

“And I think that this just means that Hollywood is just not afraid of Marvel anymore.”

And that Marvel just does not mean what it used to. They've only had $2 billion movies since COVID relative to nine prior to COVID. They've had several movies come in under 500 million over the last five years. And that paradigm that we talked about in 2020 that could shift. Like wood shifts, right?

These things always fashion's come in, fashion's go out.

Yes, their phases, much like a Marvel movie. Indeed, um, this feels like a really notable moment in that paradigm shift. What do you, what do you, what do you want to ask you? Do you think that both movies will be released on December 18th? It is March and I think you're right.

It feels a little bit like a game of chicken and I think you're right to interpret the Warner Brothers, um, which is locked up all the IMAX screens and timed the release of this trailer for 36 hours after it won a best picture and and really best picture runner up at the Oscars, uh, knows what it's doing as claiming its ground and is sort of challenging Disney.

Like, you know, we're not moving.

This, this is what we're going to do.

You, you can come play or you can come not. And I, I think you're interpretation of the threat of Marvel or the perceived threat waning is true. I'm curious what Disney does and I'm curious whether Disney holds on and does a, tries to do like a barb and hyper thing, tries to move screens to get IMAX, tries, you know, maybe,

maybe they get creative, but right now in March, do you think it's going to be a face off? If it is a face off, I stand here before you and I will dub this doons day, but that

“will be the barb and hymer of 2026 and it's du and e3 da why that's how we will be spelling”

it. It's being trademarked right here doons day, okay, just all the checks come to the big picture going forward. Jack, right. And if anyone uses that, 100% I'm not sure what the status of Avengers doomsday is right

now. Did they finish shooting? Is the script done? We have no idea that what we just saw in that trailer looks like a movie that's ready to come out now and I doomsday we just don't know what the status of the film is, so maybe

it moves, maybe it doesn't, I feel like it matters a lot to Disney's bottom line that

movie that they've been earmarking presumably a billion dollars on their spreadsheet because

of the release of this movie, the reason that I thought in January when this really seemed to be coming into, into clear view that Dune would move was because there were still a lot of open dates on the calendar that while Thanksgiving was taken by Narnia, there were a couple of earlier weeks in November, there were a couple of weeks in October that were available for a big calendar release right, most of those dates have been filled.

There's not really any terrain in October or November for Dune Part 3 to go. Now, maybe Dune Part 3 does something that, remember when mission impossible seven moved up like three days to get additional IMAX screens because of Barbonheimer coming, like maybe two. I do, but it didn't work out for mission impossible.

It did, I mean, it probably saved a little bit of face, so maybe there's a world where like December 15th, one of these movies goes to that date or even December 11th, you could see that, but there's a jumanji movie coming on December 11th, and while we have not spent a lot of time breaking down the lore of jumanji on the show over the years, those movies are also very successful and very big.

So I'm looking at what else Disney has this year, so they have Mandalorian and Grogoo, also

“Devour is proud of two, which I think will be a, will not be a billion dollars possible.”

But, size well, and they're really the tie ends are starting, the popcorn bucket is starting. I will not be getting a popcorn bucket, I don't endorse that toy story five, Moana. All of those movies will be big. Right. And then a bunch of other things before Avengers doomsday, they don't have anything in

the fourth quarter that is guaranteed except for hex, right, which is an original animated film. Yes, but not, that's not guaranteed, it's not the way. But if you think about, they don't usually miss on those, you know, if you think about Moana, if you think about, and Conto, like, those, that, when they put an original

movie in those spaces, they feel pretty confident about it. This was the, that's holding the spot that Zutopia 2 had last year. So I wouldn't underestimate that movie generally speaking, but you're right that there's

So it could doomsday go up, sure, but it would have to be done.

I'm, I'm also wondering, would it ever, would it go back to 27 and it doesn't seem like they have a very strong summer, so maybe that can carry them through with hexed, and, you know, I'm not privy to their balance sheets, so I don't know. And the, the next thing that they have, they've got, they've got animated movies, but then they have Star Wars Starfighter in the, in the Star Wars Memorial Day spot, coming out

of my wedding anniversary, I just, I'm so excited. Yeah, congratulations. Well, you think you guys will have your celebration there at the screening? You know, yes, after you've constantly joined, we're doing 10th anniversary at the Mandalorian premiere.

So that is wonderful. Yeah. Isn't that beautiful? So could they bomb Star Wars and bomb everything down? It's possible.

No.

“Here's the thing, as I mentioned earlier this year, this is the fewest comic book”

movies on the calendar. I think that we've had in 15 years, and we only have the Spider-Man movie, which is unmarval, of course, but it's distributed by Sony, so then you have just Spider-Man, and then you'll wait another nine calendar months to get to doomsday. That's a long time to go without an MCU film.

That means from, basically, it would be two years between Fantastic Four and Doomsday. Two, I'm two years. Well, how much can change in our, in our interest set in two, I mean, entire trends will completely die in a two-year period. Right.

This is just a really, really interesting collision of interest and changing tastes for movie goers. Now, I think it's likely that Doomsday will still make more money than Doon Part 3.

Doon Part 3 is now Doon is never crossed a billion dollars, so I don't want to overstate

the point here, but the fact that a movie like Doon, which has this built-in fan base, the second film is bigger than the first film. No, the first film did open during COVID. Um, I don't know, it's just, it's just fascinating to me that this is happening and that Robert Downey Jr., returning for a Marvel movie doesn't really scare anybody.

Um, I, it's probably for the, for the good, you know what, I still want Doomsday to be good. I'm not saying I don't. Right, because it brings in the X-Men, right? Well, just in general, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just kind of doing like an X-Men

“status check with you at all times, because I think that's funny.”

Yeah, it, this is the introduction of the X-Men into the, me think me. You don't know. I mean, there've been no announcements made on what characters are playing in the, the director's chairs. There've been no announcements.

It might just be the putting closure on the previous generation. And then the next secret wars. Well, that would be X-Men. That probably. That's what I think they would do.

So, you know, we're not, we may not even be close to X-Men, they might be, especially if they push this movie back, we might be two years away, three years away from getting an X-Men movie. Okay. And where will I be then?

Well, that'd be, did it. Well, that'd be before, after the four Beatles movies. What are we podcasting for at this point? What's the finish line? Right.

So, X-Men and Beatles in 2028, and then that's the end. That's, that'll be those of you the last episodes. Um, anything else you want to say about Doon and Marvel, and the end of our year, we also wear wolf coming out on Christmas, which is the new Robert Eggers movie. Um, that's.

Not related to not a Marvel or Doon thing and not a Wolverine thing. It's Wolverine, a werewolf. Uh, no. Okay. Because werewolves are only at night.

Uh, just like, yeah, sunglasses, Cory Hart. Um, I mean, isn't that the moon and then he's feral Wolverine, but he's not, he's, you know, firstly, he's a Wolverine, not a wolf. That's a different level. Where are we?

Where are we? Here. But I don't, now it's trying to give me the movie.

“No, Wolverine is a different animal than a wolf right?”

What? Wolverine. A Wolverine is? Yeah, you don't know what a Wolverine is? Like the Michigan Wolverines, the, the college?

No, I do. I know that that's there. Is it a Wolverine was a word that they invented? Yeah. Like, or I thought it was like, I just, I thought it was like a dragon, you know, like, I don't,

I don't know. I don't know. Insane. You don't know that a Wolverine is an animal. Wolverines.

I don't know.

When I moved to Los Angeles, I met a coyote for the first time, and I thought it was a dog

with crazy eyes. Okay, Wolverine. Oh, okay. This kind of looks like a land otter. That's, yeah.

I think they're in much more violent than that. Okay. Well, I think otters can get pretty frizzy. Is that, is that a fact? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, seals definitely.

Okay. Duffins as we know. This morning my dog asked me, do seals eat penguins? And I, I didn't think so, but I wasn't sure on that. And just so I said, uh, not the nice ones.

That was my response. That's a good thing. Is that accurate? Do you think? That's, that's like a Zootopia, too.

What's happening? I don't know, but everyone's okay.

I was going to show that to Alice.

So did it play? Was it it go well? It did.

“I had to leave to get ready for the Oscars that was said in a morning, but I think”

Knox seemed very excited. And, you know, they were looking for an egg, and they, he was witnessing, you know, the miracle of life. Okay. The penguin is in the DC films, not in the Marvel films.

Right, but we're talking about real penguins in Antarctica. And he seemed okay with it. He seemed to, to ride with the ups and downs of the natural world. That's exciting. Okay.

Wolverine. We used to move on. No, but I didn't know that this was a real thing. This is extraordinary. Where does it live?

Oh, it's, it's Arctic. Well, that's why. Okay. I'm not, I'm not. He seemed to know about penguins and seals.

Well, that's Antarctic. Okay. And are there no penguins in the Arctic? No, I think they're Antarctica. Is that a fact?

Yeah.

“We read the beginning of Mr. Poppers penguins, and that's what was stated in Mr.”

Poppers penguins. That was before Knox last week.

As always, this is the only movie podcast that will have this conversation.

Okay. So, but a werewolf, oh, they can shape shift. They can be a wolf or a human, depending on maybe depending on the moon. Okay. That's correct.

Great. Other movie news that we missed, Bradley Cooper will reportedly, yes, star, right, and direct the new Oceans 11 prequel opposite Margo Robbie. I accept. You do.

Okay. Interesting. I wouldn't I accept. What do you want to do? Make another film about a tortured artist, betraying the people that he loves?

Well, I think this movie is about Danny Oceans' father, who might just be that. Let's just put that out into the world. Well, Danny Oceans' father and artist, well, I think he created a bank ice. Sure. It is.

It is. There is an artist's deal. Yeah.

“As the night fox teaches us, every time we watch Oceans 12, I'm saying, still, I think, I mean,”

if this is a tortured, we're a gent story, if this is all about Danny Oceans' trauma, which is really about Danny Oceans' seniors' trauma, then of course, I'm out. Okay. But if it has any trappings of a fun ice film, it could be very Thomas Crowna fair. It could be exactly what you're like, it feels a little bit like a retrenchment for Bradley

Cooper who took a couple of very big swings with my stroke and with his this thing on. By the way, we didn't mention that. I thought Will are not was very funny with chance to hit him on the Academy Awards, acknowledging that nobody saw his movie as this thing on, but he was very good support about that. I hope this is good.

He's replacing Le Isaac Chung, director of Minari and Twisters, and he was attached to the movie for a while. He's moved on, Cooper. You know, if done right, this sounds great. It's very clear now that his bullet remake with Steven Spielberg is not happening.

That was reportedly going to be the next Steven Spielberg movie after disclosure day and it appears to have been shelved. So, sure. The problem, I think, is that Oceans' 14 is going to happen, and so because we know that they're going to make another one of those, it's a little bit like, do we need two Oceans

movies in 20 months? So I'm not totally sure that that makes sense. Okay, you do make as many high films with movie stars as you possibly can make bad ones, make good ones, make weird ones, don't make trauma ones, I don't need that, but make as many high films, make as many Oceans films, my concern about Oceans 14 is that Steven

Soderberg is reportedly not involved. Yes, that doesn't seem great. Yeah. But everyone else is, right? Brad and George and the whole gang, Julia.

I think so. Matt. Matt. Oh, my friends. I hope so.

We'll see if it actually happens. A quiet place three was announced. Great.

Now, there have been three a quiet place films, but a quiet, the third quiet place film is

not a quiet place three. That's a quiet place. Day one. Day one. I thought it was going to be a new day, but it's really the opposite.

So a lot of people are saying that this is the third quiet place movie, but it's not. It's the fourth quiet place movie, but it's part three. Okay. It will be written.

Fun with numbers. John. Chris, is he just asked me during the Academy Awards? What's that guy up to? Yeah.

We looked it up. Because you were talking to me. We were watching the Devil, where was Pride a two trailer? We were talking about Emily Blanche. He's obviously in Devil Wars, Pride a two, disclosure day.

What's she up to next? My, you know, I was just wondering about their family life. Well, he will be starring in the Jack Ryan film, Jack Ryan, Cole and Ghost War, which I assume is about a war between ghosts. And that movie is coming out on May 20 on Amazon Prime, not theatrically.

Okay. Well, that's going to be, will that be international? Is can we watch that and can? I mean, yeah, it says premieres globally. Okay.

So you want to do a Ghost War pod, whilst in can? Well, we've been talking a lot about what we're going to do while we're in Europe for several weeks. In my case, I'm just relocating for May. That's great.

I guess to Amazon for making that internationally available. I'm sure that it'll be received very well internationally, Jack Ryan is the kind of perspective that travels. Yeah. Here we go.

In this war-torned country and war-torned universe, I've never seen an episode

of Jack Ryan. Nor am I. I've seen every film. Yeah. And I've enjoyed every film.

I have to. Just playing the bad one. Yeah. Shadow recruit. I love a shadow.

Is that an afflick? No. That's the sum of all fears. Is Chris Pine? Sure.

Is it? We always enjoy Chris Pine. Yeah. Princess Diaries too forever. Are you seeing that yet?

No. Princess Diaries 1? Could be a while. No. I'm currently preparing for the 1988 movie draft.

I am going to start doing that this afternoon. You're not going to do any princess diaries before Devil Wars product, so you can really before the year of Anne Hathway. Maybe I will. So you can speak to the full.

Maybe I'll complete the arc. Yeah. Yeah. The whole filmography. That's right.

We did watch Ella in Chanted earlier this year, which Alice seemed to enjoy. It is that that's not anything. That's enchanted. Ella in Chanted is almost like it's sort of like the naked gun, but her fantasy movie starring in Hathway.

Oh. Good for her. Yeah.

It's a little goofy but charming enough and in Hathway as always is wonderful.

Okay. More movie news.

“This is probably the most important thing that's happened in movies in the last”

week. Universal announced last week that it is extending the window theatrically for all of its films to five weeks in 2026 and seven weeks in 2027. My reaction. Yeah.

My reaction to this is let's go. We are crawling back. We are dragging back what we deserve, what we have earned, we have fought for. Now Universal implemented during COVID the 17 day window, a lot of their films that are sitting across a certain threshold, financially would go straight to PVOD after a very limited

period of time. A lot of the focus feature films in particular doesn't seem like that's changing for focus. It seems like their windows will still be pretty short, but the major universal release is starting next year.

Well, basically we've been spending two months in theaters before going to PVOD. Here's my take. Some things about this show way too much. I don't think it's going to have a dramatic impact on the box office for most films because most films by the end of the fourth or fifth week stop drawing in big money.

However, there will be one out of every roughly five, maybe four films that they release for which this will really matter. And if you look at a movie like a house made, the house made did okay. And it's first weekend. It did a little better than second weekend.

And it threw three months clawed to hundreds of millions of dollars. This is how movies used to work. When we had longer windows, when we waited longer to let people watch these movies at the home or end them from blockbuster, they made profit over time. Movies studios know that this still works.

Like Tom Rothman talks about this with Sony, Universal's doing it.

“I think some of it feels like a little bit of a hasten of files.”

We have your back in the face of the conglomeration of Warner Brothers in Paramount. And some of that I think is just good business when you're already working with Christopher Nolan and you're already working with Steven Spielberg, people who care about these things. I just think it's interesting in terms of what it says about Universal's relationship to the P-Vod window and to who is buying and renting and paying money for movies at home,

which is kind of a window wheat, like a group of people and a group of consumption and money

that we never really talk about.

The streaming window isn't changing here. Universal has said for several years that they do actually make a lot of money. P-Vod. I don't think I've ever met anyone besides myself who rents or pays for a movie at home because it does really feel like people are either going to go see it in theaters or they'll

wait for the streaming. Wait for the streaming. So I think a lot of parents do. I think a lot of parents do because they couldn't get out to Zootopia too. Right.

And then that's true. Actually, we do own Zootopia too because the stomach bug hit our house. Yes. I think that's a very common thing. But it's interesting, it's more a reflection of it seems like if that business were still

working very well for them, that maybe they wouldn't be changing it in the same way. I think that's... So I think it's interesting. I agree. I think that's a the right takeaway.

It's hard to know because I always felt like there was a lot of chest puff puffing about the P-Vod performance over the last few years. The Northman was the one that you always heard about. The Northman did like $70 million in theaters and it was like how could this $100 million or if I can move you to be considered a success?

But a lot of people around the industry were like, "Oh, no, no, this was a really big hit on P-Vod." Right. Which sure... How do we know that? And there's no system in place to allow us to see what that data is.

“But I think you're right that this shows that they would make a choice like this if it was”

good for their business. But it's good for our business. It's good for what we care about.

I guess it is. Yeah. Maybe it trains a few more people to go to theaters instead of renting Zootopia or buying Zootopia to at home. You know, that's Disney, so it's a whole different one-do-in-can of worms.

But I don't know. I think it's fine. A good luck movie theaters. You know? Yeah.

Well, we'll be at Cinema Consume.

“Will you shake every theater owner's hand and say, "Thank you for your service"?”

Yeah. You guys are doing great. You're definitely innovating and keeping up. I tell you, universe is going to be applauded. They're going to be really celebrated.

I mean, they always are. They always are.

And lately, hoppers has grossed $164 million in 10 days.

And now, a movie that I think I underestimated when we talked about the movie last Monday in terms of its box office performance couldn't be coming a sort of elemental or even bigger size hit $5,600, $700 million. And once again, original storytelling, kind of having a little bit of a bounce back moment in movies.

You know? Just doomsday. Yeah. And box office is up 14% year over a year. Yeah.

And we just ran through a whole bunch of the blockbusters that are coming. I regret to inform you we are back. Yeah. And especially the little guys like Disney, they're back. Well, let me ask you what, it's great.

Listen, that's great. We had a great time. Another thing I was thinking about, I'd like. Have you had one conversation or mention of hoppers with your child since you went to see it in theaters?

Yes.

It was giving Alice a bath last week and it was after you and I spoke and we mentioned that

there was no discussion of the movie on the pod. It was a Wednesday. Okay. She was absolutely filthy. Okay.

She's in the bath. She turns to me. She's been in the bath for 20 minutes. And she says, Dad, why was that beaver robot? Unprompted.

No context. We're seven days away from having seen the film. Keep going. How did you answer that question? I said, well, they created the robot so that people could get closer to animals to understand

them. Which I think is accurate. Okay, Sam Alman. I mean, you know, this wasn't an AI situation. It was just that it was a cycling.

I know that. It's very. I don't know. Sam Alman. Um, do you think the vanity fair party I heard?

I read it. Did you give him your ticket? Have the Oscar ratings come out. Where are they? Where are the Oscar ratings?

Uh, I don't know. Do you think this means that they're bad? Because they're being-- It captured me. Can you tell you the 11 AM?

I mean, where are they? What has it ever gone this late? Jack, can you while we're doing this conversation? Can you just keep your eye on that data point? I'll stay posted on it.

As Brian Curtis would say, the number of people who watched the Oscars will not meaningfully affect your life. Well, as I have frequently said to Brian, I disagree.

“Um, I think it's a meaningful data point”

and represents something about how money works in these spaces. And that actually matters. The amount of money that you can get for a telecast, the amount of money that goes into these systems,

which then dictates what kind of movies we see. That does matter. That's true for sports. That's true. But the amount of money they're getting for the telecast

has already been decided. And it's going to a place where-- No, but it's connected to future sales. The ad rate will be immediately affected by how many people are watching this show.

This is understood. You know, it's a very clever catch phrase that Brian does, but it is actually not accurate in my opinion. Nevertheless, um, okay, so we don't know the ratings.

Yeah. Before we get into the mailbag, any loose thoughts about the telecast, about the results, anything that has bubble to the surface

since we spent all that time preparing for these awards. It's been strange how good the vibes are. You know, except for in the comments and on the internet,

which is always the case.

Yeah. I liked the show. It was interesting talking to friends, loved ones, people who are not in the Oscar nerd bubble that this show is.

And who also seemed to respond to the actual the movie moments and the wins. And this telecast as celebration of this year's films, as opposed to an advertisement for movies, or a, you know, a random celebration of Mulan Rouge.

“And that feels nice because that's why we watch the Oscars.”

And that's kind of how we would design the Oscars to be, which is these movies that we really liked. And you know, that's the other thing. It was a great year for movies. And for the most part, the movies we liked were rewarded.

So I'm trying to make sense of how, of the positivity that I feel.

I was like, we're in a positive time. We are in a- I mean, we're not. We're in a community. We're not, but this world.

The Oscars. The Oscars are. The movie business is up. Okay. Consolidation is happening in that term.

Dude, Alice and Income Inc. Well, I noted this beforehand, but I couldn't think of a time in Oscar's history where the two films that were like in a legitimate race for best picture had been as widely seen as both one battle after another in sinners.

And you know, sinners made $400 million.

One battle made over $200 million. I couldn't think of another time when before nominations were announced. Two movies had made over $200 million. The box office that like actually had a chance to win. Now, there have been many nominees.

They make over that much money. But they're more in the F1 variety. Your top gun mavericks, your barbees. Where you're like, this movie's good. Everybody loves it.

It has no chance to win. Yeah. There was a real sense that these two very widely seen movies had a chance to win. They had big stars in them.

They represented something culturally. The Oscars has not been good about representing something that specifically. And there's no way to control it. It just has to happen based on the movies that come out

and the swell behind them. But I think that helped a lot. And even though we haven't heard the ratings, and maybe they're way down. But my instinct tells me that they're way up.

And by way up, I mean, maybe a million people. But that would be good.

“And I think one of the reasons why the vibes are good is because there were a lot more”

people who were just generally invested in the story this year. And not everybody liked the ending to the story. You know, not everybody is going to agree that one battle. A lot of one battle takes out there. Boy.

Well, sure. Boy. The best one that I got. And I'm realizing now that I've forgotten to respond to my dad's text message.

So if anyone in my family is watching my dad will never watch this.

But he had seen one battle the first time. And and he and my stem. I'm did not like it very much with it and respond to it. And and they shared that. They said leftist propaganda.

They said it what they just kind of sighed. And they were like, we had a harder time with this. And then Zack and I, you know, just refused about it and kind of said, well, this is what we responded to. And my dad texted me on Sunday night saying, you know,

maybe I'm just getting older, but I rewatched it. And I was very moved like what a what a lovely movie about being a character. Yeah, no, I know. So maybe some of those people will also rewatch. Yes.

With the with the spirit inside them and reconsider or maybe they'll just keep writing bad things on the internet. Well, I thought it was interesting. There was a reporter who. Very reasonably asked Paul Thomas Anderson to specifically address some of the criticisms of the criticisms of perfidia Beverly Hills and just generally kind of his point of view around the way that he shaped the characters in the film.

And Paul has been very resistant to that, not just throughout this campaign, but really for all of his movies for about 20 years. Yeah, he got to the point where he didn't have to explain movies anymore and then he stopped. Yes. You know, maybe maybe we all get there somewhere. And I, I've interviewed him multiple times now and many times I've tried to say,

what does this movie mean to you and why? He don't like just to wreck questions that are seeking theme.

“And he, I think, has pretty deftly navigated those conversations.”

And when he answered that question in the press conference after one of his wins, he attempted to communicate specifically how he saw that character as flawed and how it spoke to the general idea of the movie, which is about we tried and now it is about the future and the next generation, which I think you and I talked about specifically in our very first episode about who we clicked into that idea, right away. And I mean, the ending of the movie is an incredibly moving letter read,

in voice over by Tana Taylor as Profitier Beverly Hills to the will character saying exactly that. It's not, you know, we aren't geniuses. It says, you know, we tried our best. Like, I'm sorry, I hope you'll make the world a better place than you could read it. Yeah, yeah, yes.

And, you know, of course, I saw a lot of reactions to his response. His answer in the question, he seemed nervous answering the question. I think he didn't want to say the wrong thing. He seemed to be very, honestly about it. And then, of course, there's just a pile on.

Yeah.

This is just like, here's what's wrong with that answer.

And that was confirmation while you shouldn't answer questions like that. Because when you're an artist and you're asked to explain yourself, you're never going to give people something that is satisfactory in that way. This is someone who loves to interview artists and talk to artists and try to get them to tell me how they feel. But when a movie is as tightly loaded as a movie like this, you're never going to satisfy everybody.

It's just not possible. It's a subjective art form. And he'll probably never be in that specific situation again, where it's like, okay, you want all the prizes. All our eyes are on you.

“You have to answer every question that this scrum is asking.”

You can't control who's in the room right now. Right. And I found it to be interesting. You know, and it's like, obviously, it is the role of journalists to pursue that information as best they can. To better understand what matters to the world at large.

You know, you think you'd like committed a violent crime.

Like people are just they feel so strongly about this stuff. Which maybe is good. You know, maybe it is good people are passionate about art. But I thought it was pretty funny. I do in general at the end of this season.

And this is not just specific to the Oscars or to the award season or. But to the internet at large. People just got to think a little bit while they're typing, you know, we all can see this. We can all see your behavior. And it's, it's in public.

So just, just consider that, you know, just consider it. Just consider it. Okay.

“Do you want to go into the Mac and any other thoughts?”

No, they're good questions. Okay. We can do it.

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Okay, Jack. What is that first question? Our first question is an amalgamation of about 5,000 emails. Is Timothy Shalame going to be okay? Will he be nominated for June Part 3?

And is he the next Leo and will need to wait a painfully long time? Yes, maybe yes. Is this short version? He's going to be fine. Our, our street baby Timothy Shalame.

We never, we never stopped believing.

Even if we had some notes about delivery. And, you know, maybe we also, maybe we all learned something from the word. That, that, that, that you do got to think about what you're saying before you say it. Whether you're typing it or whether you're saying it on a recorded podcast slash town hall. But on the other hand, it's him not thinking before he says things that got him.

Where he was and gotten millions of people to go see Marty's Supreme and theaters the rest of the time. So you win, you lose some, Timmy's going to be fine. Timmy, we love you. They'll never take Marty's Supreme for us. If nobody else loves you, that's okay. Because, you know, that's the lesson of Marty's Supreme.

Mm-hmm. And we'll get there. I don't know if he'll be nominated for June 3. It does seem like that's going to be, it seems like they're trying to make it an Oscar's movie.

“Um, that they're, and you know what movie I thought of watching that trailer that is related to this?”

Braveheart. Okay. Because of that kind of war imagery and that, you know, that Messiah character at the center of it who leads in a battle. And did Mel Gibson get nominated for Best Actor for Braveheart?

I don't think he did. I could be wrong about that. Um, you know, he, the film obviously won. But I don't believe he was nominated. I don't think he's ever had an acting nomination. So sometimes in parts like that, it's a little bit more, it's a little bit trickier because you're just doing a lot of yelling and sword wielding.

We did see some intimate moments with, with Johnny, the Zendaya character in the film. And I'm sure there will be some palace intrigue in that story as well. But as far as Chelsea goes, my only hope for him is that he continues to make interesting choices as an actor. I think he has had exceptional balance of prestige, genre, and franchise. I think he's really, you know, pursuing Dune is very smart.

Well, pursuing Dune over playing a villain in a Batman movie is very smart. And I hope he continues to do that for the big stage stuff. I hope he continues to work with a tours like Josh Safty. I hope he, you know, I don't like Wonka, but that was smart. Yeah, aren't they doing Wonka too?

That I have not heard. Wonka too. Let's see. You know, my opinion about that is I hope not. No, there's no official confirmation. Okay, wonderful.

Uh, his next movie apparently is started crying when he started singing pure imagination. That's just one woman's experience. I thought it was going to vomit. Uh huh. And he helps that little girl, you know, certainly met the giraffe.

Yeah, I remember. It was okay. Um, I think his next movie is a James Mangled Crime Movie. Seth. Which sounds great.

Yeah. So I'm hopeful for that. I do think Van and Rachel asked us about this when we were on higher learning earlier this week. What did the Academy make him pay for his hubris, essentially?

“And I, a little bit, I think it's a, it's a series of factors, right?”

It's a, unlikeable character you've been pointing out and a movie that not everybody connected to. It's, um, it's certainly his campaign. You know, I think Kyle Buchanan had an interesting piece in the times this morning about Some of the specific things he did during the campaign that maybe the voters didn't like. For example, not going to the governor's awards.

Hmm. Okay. That's a place where you're sort of meant to be seen into shake hands. You know, showing up at the, the lunch, the anomalies lunch, like very late and not connecting with a lot of people.

And you know, he's a big star and a lot of big stars do that.

Leo did the same thing if that lunch and so it's not like it's totally out of bounds. But when you consider the fact that he's so young, he hasn't quote unquote paid his dues. Right. Yeah, maybe he might have gotten slapped on the wrist a little bit by people out there. But we've been saying throughout the season and others have been pointing out.

This is, this is typical for young actors in specifically men in Hollywood. They do not do the ancient new thing. They don't give people. It's weird.

“The couple of times when they've done it, like they did it for Eddie Redmayne and they did it for Romney Mallick, right?”

Those are two examples of two under 40 guys who won best actor. But they were such like, well, I might go be Jordan and it's also under 40. He is, but he's been working for so long. Yeah, it feels different for him. But those two guys, you know, they weren't unknown, but they were much less known than Timothy Shalom, right?

They were not stars. They didn't open movies. They were considered fine actors.

You know, the Romney Mallick award, I'll never understand that.

But Eddie Redmayne famously, famously, was it went to every single event and kissed every baby on that campaign for, was it the theory of everything? Is that what he wants for, and so, you know, that's kind of the opposite of what Shalom made it. Redmayne was all humility. He was all present. He was all, I will work hard to get this.

So, you know, we'll see. We were joking around about how he'll have to wait until 52, and now the meme is going around about having a way for his son of a woman. He could win in two years. Yeah. We don't know.

I mean, he also posted the first June 3 image, like 12 hours after the Oscars, which once again, Shalom to Warner Brothers, who just had this all lined up. Very, very ready. And he was ready as well. And I think that was, that was the right move.

Yes. I also, like, the Oscars, relatives of the six success of a movie like Dune Part III is actually meaningless. Like Dune Part III is bigger than the Oscars in many ways.

So, more people will end up seeing that movie over time, then we'll watch the 2026 Academy Award.

So, I think it's kind of a drop in the bucket to his career at large. Okay. That male bad question was brought to you by Volkswagen, like all the nominees and winners.

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have we witnessed a permanent shift in the Academy's official stance on horror and genre films? Jack, your voice sounds so different. Oh, you aren't there. Okay. The camera's blocking you.

I was like, was this recorded high-buddy? Van in the booth. That was great. That was very exciting. Van, what's your producer persona?

Like are you more Dr. Dre, more DJ Premier? Like, who do you vibe with? Or I'm J. Dilabra. Yeah. Okay.

You want to stop us? Yeah. Don't mess it up. Okay. Okay.

That's an interesting question. An interesting to hear from Van. No. My answer's no. Yeah.

You know, I don't really.

“I think it's cool that those movies got on.”

I think it's really cool that Amy Mattigan won. But like Ruth Gordon won for Rosemary's baby in 1969. Like, I don't, you know, what does that mean? Anthony Hopkins, Silence of the Lands. It's not.

I would say that sinners, Frankenstein, and Frankenstein are definitely prestigey horror. Yeah. And I think Frankenstein and the categorized that it was rewarded production, costume, makeup. There's those were old school very like hands-on. Yes.

You know, even the costumes are like gowns, beautiful gowns. So there are horror elements of it, especially the makeup. But I don't know if that's really what's being rewarded. Sinners is a horror movie, but it's also a musical. And it's, it's an action movie.

It's all sorts of things. So Amy Mattigan weapons is cool. Yeah. Absolutely nomination that it got. It did not get screenplay.

It did not get best picture. It got picture, I think you could make a stronger case. Because you'd be like, this is a really gnarly witch movie. Yeah, yeah. It got a best picture nomination.

You know, even by Rosemary's baby, you know, from a European otore. Like you could see there was a kind of, there was a kind of prestige as quality to that movie. Weapons is like a witch gets her guts torn apart by cursed children. And who do you children are running around?

Yeah, that's a crazy horror movie. Um, I don't really feel that way. That being said, you know, there a Lucas Shaw had a piece about neon in Bloomberg this weekend, because they uncovered some financial information around neon

and how solvent or not solvent that business is. Because it's changing hands. Now a new company is buying neon. And in the piece, they characterized, like the financial wins is like just horror.

And I thought that it was, the sort of like horror movies that overperformed.

Like horror movies are fandom and franchise movies.

Like they say they are, they are at the center of the business and have been for a very long time.

“So I think to underestimate them in that way,”

it's slightly mischaracterizing them. Whether or not the academy can get their arms around that. I think specifically, I've been excited about this year. Because this year, I don't know how many of these movies that they're even want to be on the episodes of.

But, you know, Leviticus out of Sundance Obsession, Curry Barker's new movie, which is upcoming Backrooms, Kane Parsons, you know, YouTube to a 24 film. There are several more.

There's Sebastian Vannechek taking over the evil dead franchise. There's a Lee Kronen making a mummy movie. Like there's a big wave of filmmakers under 35 under 40, who are coming into studio filmmaking and kind of like premium mini studio filmmaking. That represents something bigger about the genre.

Yeah. The fill-up over others have been doing it the last couple years of days, 24, like something's going on with the genre. That is simultaneously commercial and artistic. One of these filmmakers that is in Jordan Peel

is going to get over the line.

“And it's going to get to the place where I think the genre”

is going to get what this question is trying to get to the bottom of. And weapons winning and acting Oscar, I think is like a link in the chain. It's a step towards something impressive happening. You could say like, "Oh, it felt that way when my chameleon came along."

Because the sixth sense got a lot of love. But like, that happens and then goes away. I mean, the other thing that you're describing and that particularly centers and weapons achieved and we know that because we have box office receipts,

is that those, all the films you just named were crossover sensations. And some of that is just that they made a lot of money that were seen. But they are genre movies. But people who do not show up for every single horror movie

went to see all of those films. And that's they just got their entertainment of horror. So I think that all certainly centers and weapons are evidence of the genre finding bigger audiences. And I think that's some of the reason they showed up at the Oscars.

But that does happen from time to time.

“I think eggors too is an interesting person to think about.”

Because he hasn't crossed that Oscars threshold yet. Even though I thought, if you told me not for R2 and 25, it was in 11th place, I would not be surprised. And when we went on to be a big hit, I've heard that the Werewolf script is incredibly violent and gnarly.

Like really like the nasty, like you're saying. No, you're being a huge hit. I like, is I just, you're like a case study. You were out of that, yeah, I remember. No, but I did see it.

And I think even you, I listened to your podcast with Chris and Ramahoney. And you guys all admired it, but didn't love it. Yeah, true. And I wouldn't say that experientially, it was like a laugh riot.

I'm so glad I saw it in theaters. Types thing. In fact, I think I took a quick nap, which like, please, I was four months postpartum. Don't judge me.

Not even four months. Yeah, not even four months. Like, like, I was sleep deprived, but so I, I would like to understand. I would like a breakdown of how that was such a big hit because it is resistant of basically every trend or that I understand with

audience who are going except for that it's a horror. It's like quote unquote horror movie. I thought it was more in the tradition of a lot of del Toro movies. Okay. And I think it actually has a lot in common of Frankenstein.

And Frankenstein didn't go into theaters, but I think it would have been a hit in theaters, right as well, Frankenstein. And I think probably in a similar zone,

not not brought to you made $182 million worldwide.

One of the reasons why it's considered such a big hit is won the budget, which is about 50 million reportedly. And two, it was focus and not universal. So it had the focus. You know, it was a really good marketing campaign, but it had that.

So you take that plus the PVOD that we were talking about. Yeah. It's a lot of people saw it and liked it. And you know, had a lot of big stars in supporting parts. And, you know, it was like Iron Taylor Johnson's in it for 20 minutes.

And that's, it wasn't huge funny. He was very funny. I think that that movie also is one of those links in the chain, like weapons, where it's like something is evolving. Frankenstein is a link in this chain. Something is going on, whether or not it will continue.

It probably depends on whether or not horror stays in the place of centrality in movie going right now, but it is in that place. Good question. And as everybody who listens to this show knows, I'll look forward to tracking it very closely over the next 20 years of my life. What's the next question? Next question comes from Jordan.

It really bugged me how aggressively winners were played off during their speeches this year. With the Oscars heading to YouTube in 2029, do you think that change could actually fix some of that? More broadly speaking, what other things could the Oscars experiment with on YouTube

that broadcast television never allowed?

I don't think it was a well-produced show. We talked about that a little bit on Sunday night, but it was pretty rickety in the moment where Conan didn't know that he was on air and there were some camera angles and things that they didn't quite have nailed down.

Like we're phone disappeared on a winner. Right, though I thought that that was part of the playing people off strategy that they didn't think through at all. I don't know that YouTube is going to have... I don't think this was a time limit thing is what I'm saying.

They clearly seem to have agreed back in the room that only two people get to speak or something and then otherwise you get cut off and then the communication between the booth and the orchestra was not existent or responding in the moment.

Obviously, the K-pop demon hunter is the golden win was the absolute disaster. And the way that the broadcast handled K-pop demon hunters

“and golden in general, I think indicates how little they understood their audience”

and how little they understood what they had. I'm making everyone wait for three hours for golden when I got home. The first thing my son said to me this morning, the morning after the Oscars was,

it was good we had to wait a long time for golden. We were saying that we were rushing the show back. It was not a first actor. And then I don't really think they... I think that the singers and the performers did a great job but the production of that performance was not what I wanted.

And then playing everybody but EJ off after making everyone wait three hours and not understanding how significant those performers are and how significant that moment is to the Oscars. That was the most seen movie for anybody watching the show.

That was bad production and that doesn't have anything to do with time limits that has just to do with not understanding the material that you're working with. But that's on the producers. That's not on ABC. You know, that's on the Academy is participating in that decision.

And I'm not sure what role YouTube specifically will play there

because YouTube has never done anything specifically like this before.

The Academy guides who is going to be producing the telecast in conjunction with who is airing the broadcast and they have a lot of say over who is doing that work. Yeah. So this was the first year for the producers of the show on the show.

And it's a hard show to produce. It's not easy to do this. But there were a few too many mistakes this year. They were very obvious to the lay person the naked eye while watching it. And that wasn't great.

The speeches thing is always a challenge. I don't really know what the solution is. There are 24 awards. We praised how wonderful the in memoriam section was. One of the reasons why it was so good was because it was long. And they like people speak.

They did. And that was that was a good choice. But that means you've just tacked on seven more minutes onto the broadcast and you normally have. So where do you cut?

How do you keep the show on the four hours?

“That's what they're thinking about because they know that they're not going to be able to retain”

audience over a four hour period. Nothing on television at this point runs four hours aside from your epic tennis match here and there.

So I don't know what the solution is.

It's a long ass award show for me. I'd watch nine hours. But most people wouldn't. Yeah. And the awards thing in particular.

They just clearly didn't have a good plan for the fact that there are some awards where there are many winners. Mm-hmm. And including a tie. Yes. And they didn't communicate.

I guess to the winners or the people where there are four or five listed winners. That there is going to need to have a designated speaker or tie and limits or what it's. It was a mess. And it I was disrespectful and hopefully they'll do better next year. I'm with you.

Uh, what are the things could the Oscars experiment with on YouTube? I, I've already said this when the news was announced.

“I think that YouTube TV needs to just have an Oscars channel and like,”

honestly call me like I would love to help because I think that there is a whole world of engagement that you could create around your award show to make it a 12-month-a-year thing. And like I see what the Oscars is doing on YouTube right now. Some of it is cool.

I think getting a million to multiple involved a few years ago is very smart.

Um, I think they're going to continue to lean into the creator path. But there is so much archive. Yeah. They have of so many interesting things. Like the clip shows alone that you could make based on the telecasts over the years are fascinating.

It's true. I mean, you could just rerun old shows as they do on TCM and for people, you know, who can't sleep at three in the morning and suddenly you're watching the weirdest, you know, 1983 opening number or a presenter. I mean, it's a great idea. Yeah. And you could do all the musical performances.

You could do all the craziest speeches of all time. Most shocking wins. Like, there's so much raw material to work with there.

viable because it's not just Oscar history. It's just movie history.

And when we think about movie programming, like, look at what performs on YouTube. Look at what people actually watch. They actually watch 20 minute videos of people breaking down shots in Sergio Leone movies. Yeah. Those videos have millions of views.

This is valuable stuff. So I hope that they take that seriously. Yeah. I hope they really lean into that. The other thing that YouTube allows is that it is available internationally. And there's no licensing or whatever is going on stuff.

You can watch it in one place at the same time.

“And I think many non-American Oscar nerds have talked for years about”

what a pain it is to try to watch the Oscars. So there's obviously stuff that you could do in the lead-up. And you could do watch part. You could do all sorts of funny things. I'm just making it more available around the world. I've already got the game show.

Yeah. I'll host your game show. I'm ready. I've been waiting my whole life. There's so much programming that they could do. It's honestly, they have more at their fingertips for movie history than any other organization in the world. And they have money.

Yeah. Exploited. Do something cool. Okay. That's my plea.

What's the next question?

Next question comes from Daniel. Would you like to see Conan back his host next year? If he took himself out of the running, who would you like to see replace him? And what would you think of Kumeo Non-Giani?

I would like to see him come back. I would as well wear fans. Yeah. I thought it wasn't as good this year as he was last year, but he's really good at just guiding the show. I thought he had a similar skill as Kimmel in that.

“Like we're going to save parapans, right?”

He knows how to make a joke. Or you know, you pointed out when Audemars are all archipel one. Right. That he announced this was the first woman to ever win this award because most people who don't follow these things closely didn't know that.

I thought he had a deaf touch with some of those things. The pre-written bits I thought were very funny. And that's his staff and his writing team. Yeah. You know, his people who've been producing with him for years and years.

So that cold open, the YouTube gag, the closing gag with Jim Downey. All that stuff was really funny. I would like to see him back. Be back. Whatever, we did just see Kumel host a show.

He hosted the DJs. He was fantastic. So funny.

His opening monologue was amazing.

Yes. And we also saw live on this year's broadcast that Kumel can keep the show running. Because he was presenting the time moment. And do we get any clarity? Did we find out whether he was tipped off?

It sounds like he was. Okay. Good. I heard that he was. But still, even if he was, he knew exactly what to do.

He kept it moving. We've seen instances in the past where people don't keep it moving. That's right. Fade done away. And warm baby.

And was also very funny. His bit was good. His bit at the bits of the DJs were really great. So I'd love to see him. The other person that comes up in the context of people we have seen do great bits at the Oscars who could do the whole show as obviously John Delaney.

Yeah. Field of Dreams forever. Yeah. I wish John Delaney had gotten to present Amy Madigan with her Oscar. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. I would have tipped it off. But it would be very funny. Yeah. I'm still hoping that Melady will do it one of these days.

It sounds like he was offered it and he turned it down at one point. It does seem like a lot of work. It does. It does. It tours all the time.

It makes a lot of money doing that. I mean, I understand that. Yeah. I mean, Conan, even we spoke with Conan's producing team when we were at the DJs. And, you know, they were like, he's been working on this show for months.

Like, it sounds like he starts in the fall. So he's got a six month window of prepping and writing jokes. And kind of knowing what he needs to know. So it is a lot of work. But it's also a great honor.

You know, I will say when Billy Crystal came out to honor Rob Reiner, I felt safe. I felt like, oh, this is like my childhood. And like, he just is anybody ever been more comfortable speaking to that audience, both in the crowd and to us on TV. Yeah. So good at that.

Conan is definitely taking a page from him. The opening where he and the weapons kids were running through all the movies and straight out of the Billy Crystal playbook. And again, I felt safe and also old because the nostalgia is now directed directly at me. I know. But that's a bridge.

Like, that's a bridge from our parents. You know, like Billy was my parents, Oscar's host. And we got introduced to the show, watching him.

“So I honestly think Billy Crystal could come back and do it.”

Like, he just, he seemed like he was doing great. Okay. What's the next question? Can I throw out a potential one? Sure.

We have a question later asking about the 100th Academy Awards. So not to step on that too much, but I was texting a buddy about what they need to do for 100. What would you think about Matt and then? I don't know if it's worth it to them. Yeah.

No, they should. But a dream for us, no. They should present. But the thing is, is if they have to keep the show running, then it's kind of, it's, it's like, Sierra on the watch where it's like sometimes when he has to be the straight man, he doesn't really get to shine.

And you need, you need to really let them roam free.

“So I, I think they should get in the Ben Matt equation.”

Who's Sierra and who's Andy? Oh, well, I think, okay. See, I think Andy Ben. You do. I was going to go the other way.

Because I think Ben is more the takesmith. You know, he's more, and he's the intellectual, right? He's the one who's got a grand theory of everything. Yeah. And Matt's just getting off jokes.

You know, Matt's just like, I'm in the Thor movie. I'll show up for a good time. Yeah. Okay, me, oh, I'm like, in anyone else. I mean, you're a real trip.

Okay. Yeah. That's fine. Matt, but we'll be fun. I think it'll be interesting to see if they lean into a higher wattage of celebrity or a safe pair of hands.

Because that's going to be a big show. That's going to be a really big. I hope the movies are good that year. Because if they're not good, that's going to be tough. Because you have, we have done years all the time.

And if we have a done year. Yeah.

Like, a Nora wasn't a dud year, but it was a much smaller movie.

There's a much smaller field of movies. What year is that? It's going to be airing in 2028, right? This is 2026. It's the last 2027 movie.

So Avengers Secret Wars. Definitely top the list. I don't know.

“What's actually what else is on the aisle?”

Bekeeper too. Yes. I've got my 2027 list open right now. Okay. Coco Melon the movie.

Wow. Frozen three. Uh, Michael B. Jordan's Thomas Crown affair. Mm-hmm. Batman two.

Spider Rose three. Okay. Only the franchise movies have claimed these days. No, I don't know. None of the other movies that.

Quiet place part three, allegedly. Yeah. Shrek five. Mm-hmm.

Superman man of tomorrow.

Shrek five got pumped all the way to 27. It's it. Wow. That's tougher. It's June 30.

That's February your generation. Uh, yeah. I don't know. The Lord of the Rings the Hunt for Gallum. Okay.

Where are you at on Gallum these days? Good guy, bad guy. We ever told you that my mother did this with both babies

“that when they were really little and she would hold them.”

And she would just call them my precious. But was that from reading Tolkien? No. Okay. That was just from my mother being my mother.

From my mother. From my mother. And I had, I just. My precious. But I was just going to explain.

I know. But also she did once lock me in a room and make me read the Hobbit in one day for summer reading. So. It's.

You'd like to do it. They were like, you can't go back to school until you read the Hobbit. Um. Well, there's something I would do.

Well. And I did it. And it sucked. Oh, oh. December 25th, 2027.

Nancy Myers fell. That's right. That's right. You're excited. Oh, yeah.

Listen. I mean, so that I saw they recast it. Aaron Dordiev. Adolescence. Adolescence.

But also. Princess Anne from the crown. Real ones now. So it seems like she went into the. Emma Mackie role.

I think so. I mean, she was originally. Garjo. Is that right? I don't know.

So it's. Yeah. Okay. We'll see. But it seems like they're back on track to be filming

again. Again. I'm protecting my heart. Let's go to the next question, Jack. Next question comes from D on the show.

Sean and Amanda have mentioned how rare it is that their favorite movie of the year actually wins best picture as one battle did this year. That had me wondering exactly how rare is it has their favorite movie of the year ever one before now if so which year or years. Um.

Well, it's very rare. Um. I could count. Three. Nope.

Four. I count four. Okay. You have yours? Yeah.

I'm scrolling back. I've got two right now. And this is in the modern era, right? I did the whole Oscars. Okay.

So I've got three. With the understanding that I haven't seen the full slate of 1930s films. Yeah. But I've seen it plenty. Plenty of Academy Award nominated movies from the 30s.

Okay. Now. To me. 34 and 35 are two great winners. One is it happened one night.

That would be one of mine, which is one of the all time Oscar winners. One of the three films that have won the five major awards. And 35 is mutiny on the bounty which is a movie I love. And I have been doing a bit with my daughter. And I'm going to do it right here with you.

Where Captain Blie has played by Charles Lawton in the film has my favorite line reading in the history of movies, where he's been cast off by Christian Fletcher onto a boat and sent to the island. The mutant he has occurred. And Lawton is standing up on the roadboat, rowboat with the other men who've been cast

off with him. And he says, "You're sending me to my doom A!" "Well, you're wrong, Christian!" I'll see you all of you hanging from the highest yard arm in the British fleet.

I do.

And she laughs every time.

I'm just completely blown on my voice. I mean, that I applaud you for your commitment. Thank you. We're working on volume control if the other residents in my home right now. So I don't really know whether we could bring that in.

“It's not the best thing to do at bedtime.”

You know, she gets a little fired up. So those are my two picks from the 30s. Then you have to go all the way to 1962. Just absolutely skip it over Casablanca. Maybe I'm, maybe I missed that.

Let me take a look at that year. Yeah, I know you're right. Casablanca would be on there for me for sure. Is there anything after Casablanca between that 1962? So you got sunset, boulevard, overall.

That's exactly right. I picked one up. But that's a close race. But that's an additional one. I'm interested in that. That all about Eve isn't deserving.

It's just that sunset boulevard. It's just a boulevard. Sure. Okay.

Anything over the apartment?

Psycho. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah. So that's a tricky one. But yeah, I went psycho.

What about, oh, you don't, you don't like what that story. I like it. But I'm kind of like a more than the hustler. I like it more than the hustler. So that would work for me.

And let's see what else. So 62. Yeah. It's Lawrence of Arabia. Okay.

Yeah. Hard to argue with that one. There's some good movies that year. The remake of Union of Bounty is that year. It's a kind of mockingbird is that year.

But that was pretty easy.

“And then I think it's pretty easy to go through the 60s and not have to pick one.”

I like a man for all seasons quite a bit. I would take who's afraid of a genuine wolf over it. Michael's this first film. And then in the 70s, of course, you have the godfather. Now, 72 is not, is among, I would say, the weaker years from this glory period in the 1970s.

74, however, for the godfather per two. You're doing Chinatown over godfather. I think so. I think so. I don't, that's hard.

I don't know whether where I go on that. Chinatown has been. I think I like godfather per two more than you do.

You always say you like godfather more than godfather per two.

I do. I do. I do. I do. Godfather.

The first godfather film to me is. It's perfect. No, I know. Listen. It's it's splitting hairs.

It's a. Okay. It's a Mexican coke on the sunny day. It's just, it is always good. It never, never doesn't work.

Okay. 75. We just, just came up. You know, of course, I would take Jaws and Nash fell over one foot. Yeah.

And it's probably very limited in dog day. I think it's. I agree. And I like one foot of the cook who's nest. And I've been thinking about me.

Loach form and I kind of want to do a mealish form in episode. Okay. Um, but because it's it's five for me. Okay. 76 Rocky, not my favorite out of that year.

No. Might take all the other four. Maybe three of the four. And he haul. As a year star.

Can't take any. Yeah. Dear Hunter. Interesting one. I prefer coming home.

I do too. Creamer versus creamer in 79. Close. However. Apocalypse.

And all that jazz. Yeah. The 80s is kind of a mess. Not a lot of great 80s wins in my opinion. A lot of fusty stuff wasn't very difficult to make this choice.

Now, maybe on the day us. Yeah, but Ghostbusters is also 84 stuff. When you get outside of the nominees in the 80s, there are a lot more popcorn movies that I'm looking for. So it's a very good point.

And so I mean, some of that is also just because then we've seen more movies as a 80s that we have 30s for it. So we probably could go. If we had seen everything in 40 and 41 and 42. Um, silence of the lambs.

Over JFK. No, I would take JFK. I'm asking. Yeah. No, no, no, no.

Not for me. I wanted to talk about Demi really quickly. You know, the win for one battle after another reminds me a lot of the sounds of the lambs win for a variety of reasons. Jonathan Demi widely revered amongst filmmakers, especially at this period in history.

He makes this movie in Philadelphia back to back, which are two very big Academy Films Tom Hanks wins Philadelphia. But in general, when you look at the totality of Demi's career and as a filmmaker who I was turned on to by Paul Tom Sanderson repeatedly invoking his name when he was a young director and saying how much his movies meant to him.

Right. Lead to me going back to explore all Demi's movies, which I love. His career is super similar to PTA. And this one is super similar. Whereas like, okay, this is the guy who's been doing it for 20 years.

We really like what he's doing. He comes from a certain tradition of filmmaking. Every once in a while, he gets material that is right for the moment. And then he'll go back to making his stuff.

“And I think when you look at the Phantom Thread and one battle experience,”

we're like, really big Academy movies. But then everything else he's done is like the girl's pizza and her advice. Like, doesn't totally match up with what they expect. I've just been thinking a lot about how. I think Demi would have enjoyed one battle after another.

Okay. Let's keep going. I mean, I can't take unforgiving over a few good men. I just can't. Yes, not not in the constitution.

Schindler's list.

You would take the remains of the day. No, I take the fugitive or Jurassic Park. Jurassic Park, of course. I would do. 94, of course not.

Yeah. 95. No, absolutely not. 96, no. No.

97. Now I, of course, would take any confidential. I was an early confidential boy. I tried to make us incredibly important, but I would take a couple of hunting. Oh, okay.

I mean, that was. Good, well, hunting. Extremely important to me. Speaking of Matt and Ben. Shakespeare and love perhaps you would.

I never would.

I never in my wildest dreams would.

99 is a car crash with American beauty. Absolute disaster. Now 2000 is gladiator. I think many people would choose that. I personally have both traffic and crunching tiger over gladiator.

Do I like gladiator quite a bit? And this is just of the nominees. It's the easiest way to manage this, right?

“I think I prefer a brak of it to gladiator.”

So. And you have this run here. Yeah. Beautiful minds Chicago return of the king. I like return of the king, but it's like my least favorite of the three little

movies. Yeah. Lost in translation forever. A million dollar baby crash. The departed.

Yes. Devil wears pot of should of one this year. Thank you. Okay. Well, no, it's fine.

Martin's crazy one. That's great. Like the departed wins. That's great. What's my favorite movie of 2006?

Is it the departed? That's wonderful. If so. Is it? What were Ebert's favorite films of 2006?

That's a useful metric. Let's see.

Oh, it's children of men.

Oh, yeah. That should have also won. Also, you know, it was in 2006? The Da Vinci code. Yeah.

I know this no one's me making my Da Vinci code. Mom, it's that's fine. I'm going to start my own blog. Yeah. I just thought Lucas pointing in the booth.

Uh, pants lab. It's in the way out. Is that here? I mean, fine. It's not.

It's not skyfall. It's pretty good. It's more of a skyfall guy. Okay. I know.

“That's why that's why I despite everything.”

We're together. Yes. No country. No. There will be blood.

And probably Michael Clayton too. 2008 slum dog. It's not slum dog. I don't know what it is from that year. There's another movie that I like more than slum dog.

Which I think it does. Solid. These.

This is just fun to Google.

It's. Yeah. I mean, that was the year of Dark Knight and Wally. So you probably like those ones. I certainly do.

2009 the hurt locker. Of course, I would go serious man and glorious bastards. In glorious bastards. Yeah. 2010 King speech.

No. 2011 the artist. Absolutely not. 2012 Argo. No.

I would take a Lincoln over Argo. I might take Argo. On that one. 2012 film. Then did you.

And Bill and Chris have your Lincoln fight, which rewatchables was that also zodiac? Sure. That sounds right. Yeah. And you guys were yelling at him.

And he was like, nobody cares about Lincoln, which I agree is a strong take. However, like, I wasn't there. E rustic when you guys just watch Lincoln silent on the screen for whatever. It's a good movie. I like it a lot.

It's a very good classic important. Just the man. Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

That's up. Yeah. Abraham Lincoln. Yeah. I don't.

“I think I liked other movies from 2012 more than any of the nominees though.”

2013. Skyfall. Skyfall. Sure. 2013.

Twelve years of slave. No. I would take will fall street. 2014. Birdman.

No. I would take with Blash. 2015 spotlight. No. I would take the Martian.

I would take Grand Budapest Hotel in 2014. I would as well. 2016 Moonlight. Hmm Moonlight. Hmm.

I really love a rival. Speaking of Denis Villanuev. Moonlight. Well, I was making list in 2016. Oh, brother.

Shall I pull it up? Yeah. Will you vamp for me? Yes. Let's see.

This is so. Moonlight. A rival. Moonlight wasn't my number one movie of 2016. There's no way.

The man chose to write a C could be in there. It's kind of like two depressing. To be your favorite movie of the year. This was a pretty strong year. This is obviously Lala Land.

Oh, God, got land. It's known in my house. Handmade. Oh, yeah. It's a great one.

We were still considering O.J. made in America of film at that time. Sure. I think that's cool. I love 20th century women. Love.

Yeah. No, my favorite Mike Mills. But that's okay. Hello, how water. Nominated.

Nice, guys. Oh, sure. That made it into Sierra month, right? It did. I just recorded it.

That's exciting. Um, okay. Let's keep going. We'll finish this very quickly. 2017 absolutely not.

Not the shape of water. 2018 Green Book. No. 2019. I put parasit at number one.

I know it that it was not. I did. I did not. I called it. But I had once upon a time in Hollywood.

But listen, that was also the year of the Irishman little women and marriage story along with once upon a time in Hollywood. Bangerier. You used to be a proper country.

2020 Nomad Land. No one was pretty high on 2020 list for me. It wasn't number one. I mean, it's pretty high too. But sure.

I just, oh my god. I just remembered. Thank God I saved. Yeah. 2021 Kota.

No. No. No. No. No.

Killers the flower moon was both of our number ones. That's right. Because we have taste. 2024 and Nora. Yes, actually.

And Nora was my number one. But I was out for a chunk of the year. So I didn't say everything. The bird list is my number one. So no.

Yeah.

One battle after another is the first time in.

God. I mean, it's got to be. We're going all the way back to. Back to the 90s. Okay.

Back to. No. We're going back to the 80s.

“Did you put a bigger splash as your number one movie of the year in 15 or 16?”

I did. That's listen. Everyone's in a while. You're still a real one. Thank you.

But that's it. Thank you for asking the question that just had us listing movies for 20 minutes. We appreciate you. This is what it's all about. Yeah.

This is what podcasting is all about is people name in some stuff. I. We have to go. God, all the back. And I going back to the 70s for my pick.

I think I'm going all the way back to the Godfather for the last time. My favorite movie of the year. One best picture. Okay. Wow.

Congratulations. What a historic win that was on Sunday for me. All right. Let's see next question, Jack. Next question comes from Brian.

We had a largely awesome awards night with worthy winners and a jarringly positive Sean. This got me thinking. What would have been your quote unquote darkest timeline for the big six picture director actress actor and screenplay, which choices would have left you with the worst taste at the end of the night? Frankenstein for picture.

Yeah. Close you out for director. Yes. Um, actress probably came up and sorry. And she didn't nice job on the circuit.

Not her fault. You know, but it's much like after doing the baby out of it. The grogo bit. Excuse me. And then it would just feel a little too industry.

Yeah. Actor. There is no there are no bad answers. Yeah. There were no bad answers.

I don't. You know, what is the darkest timeline?

“Well, I think probably the darkest experiential timeline would have been to me winning and just getting and everyone else's face.”

You and I wouldn't do it, but everyone else would have had a full. I know. Melted out. And we would still be in a very dark timeline right now. Imagine.

I know what a troll that would have been. I know. It's it's fine. Who get their one day screenplay. Darkest timeline is anyone but cooler winning and original.

Yeah, and Chloe Jow and Maggie Farrell winning and adapted over PTA. Yeah. Yeah. The Frank has to bring some is up for it after two, wasn't it? Yeah.

That also would have been rough. Yes. What's next? Next question comes from Gabe with Sean Penn winning his third acting Oscar. Who do y'all think will be the next actor to join this exclusive list?

I think Emma Stone will surely win another. But is there hope for Timmy? Does Tom Hanks or Denzel have one more in the tank? Well, let's look at the list of two. Yes.

There's a lot of people who have won two acting Oscars. Many of whom are not with us anymore. So let's talk about who's still with us. Hey, plant it. Hey, plant it, sure.

Seems very possible. Let's do the whole list of who's on the board. Because there's some people who are alive.

We'll never win another one.

For example, Kevin Spacey. Yeah. He won't win again. Adrian Brody. I wouldn't take that on Adrian Brody.

Kristoff Waltz. Probably not. I would agree. You never know. Quaterntino has one more film in him.

He never knows. So he says. Mahershallah Ali. I think that could happen. It could happen.

He's 50. If they were so closely grouped together. Two years. He's such a wonderful actor. Yeah.

Need a good move from him soon. Yeah. Um. Hillary Swank.

“Um, that was a moment in time that I think is over.”

What about Diane Weast? That would be nice. The right, late career. They'll again. That late in a career.

You tend to get the it's time. And it's not. That's really time. That's right. So I think that would be a bit harder.

Surprising to me that both Diane Weast and this other two time winner Sally Field are not even 80 years old yet. Still work to be done. Okay. Renee Zellweger.

Well, I was kind of surprised by the first two, so you never know.

Yes. Glenda Jackson is still alive. I don't. She's 87. Okay.

She has not acted in several years. So it seems unlikely. Uh, Emma Stone. This, this seems like a great bet. It's going to happen.

Yeah.

It's going to happen.

“That's what happened with Merrill, right?”

It's going to be a Merrill.

Yeah. Yeah. Jody Foster. You know what? Jody Foster is so great in every movie that she is in.

And you've watched the movie. I haven't seen them most recently. I haven't either. And I want to see it. I'm going to watch it before we do our movies that we missed.

But basically every time she's in something. Whether it's good or bad, you're like, you know what? Jody Foster. We're on the exact same page. I think her choices have been bold but poor in the last 15 years.

I think she's taken some interesting risk. And she clearly likes to challenge herself. The movies just haven't worked out. I remember the more a teenian. Yes.

With Shalien Woodley. Yes. I was so strange. And that was like meant to be in awards film and it didn't really get there. But she was just wonderful and and I had.

I thought she was so good and I had incredible.

So yeah, you could see that. You could see her having a performance in her 60s or 70s where she gets in. Okay Jessica lying.

“I think if it's going to happen for a like one more time.”

For a great Hollywood icon. Even though this person doesn't work that much anymore. She does TV. No, no. Not Jessica.

I think it's going to go to Jane Fonda. Oh, wow. But she's pushing like 85, right? She's still like an out here protesting. Yeah.

And give an amazing quotes about CNN and readford and everything else. She was like, why did Barbara Streisand get to prison. She did one movie with him. I did four with Robert Redford. And I was in love with him.

And Jane Fonda hasn't won an Oscar since 78 since coming home. Controversial figure. That's true. Michael Kane. He's retired, right?

He's not keeping me updated on that Anthony Hopkins. I don't think we can do it again after the father. I think we can do it again. I think we can do it again. I think we can do it again.

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I think we can do it again. Everybody else is passed on. You mentioned K-planchet definitely seems like that's a possibility. Yeah. I think Merrill will get to four.

You do. I do. For devil wars, proud of two. No, I just think before all is said and done. For Narnia?

Who's she in Narnia? I don't know. I made that up. Someone told me that you pronounced the line in Narnia in a different way than I have been producing it.

But now I can't remember how you produced it. Anyone in the booth? No. That's not it. How do you say it?

I'm saying Oslan. I'm saying it, you know, as a dumb America. Aslan. Yeah, that's what it is. I have no idea.

I don't either. And someone even spelled it out for me phonetically. I'm going to need the UK people to weigh in at some point. But now I'm psyched out. Now I can't remember what's correct.

I don't care. I think you're going to care. Come Thanksgiving. When the British is nephew comes to town. When the plumbers' niece come visits.

Narnia. What's the next question? Next question comes from Nelson.

“What would it actually take for the Academy to release vote totals?”

Obviously, the reason they have never done it is because theoretically it may hurt

anomalies feelings. But vote totals are released for basically every award and every major sport. And nonwinners are rarely if ever publicly agreed. I know the casting or stunt Oscars are actual industry awards for professionals. But do you think a similar sustained push for releasing the votes could lead it to happening?

No. It will never happen. I don't follow the sports voting very much. You know, every once in a while someone posts like, oh, well, there goes MVP or that's decided or something or other.

And I'm just kind of like, that's a black box to me. Sure. But my impression is that people do have feelings about MVP. And being voted for or not voted for. They're usually voted on by the press.

Yes. So journalists vote. And then you do see the tallies. Yeah. But then I see a lot of athletes like weeping when they get it.

So I do, maybe that doesn't count as public. But as we previously discussed, if you're posting on the internet, we see it. How many burner accounts do you have? I don't have that kind of time. Here is something I think about.

“Honestly, when I, when like a mean comment or something makes its way into my orbit is.”

I accept for what I am posting for my job. I just do not post on the internet.

I am just almost never commenting, type in into that comment box.

And I don't really know anyone who is. Yeah. So I don't know the best people that are coming in. Don't know that many people who are does it now. It's time for me to log in to my comments.

It's a lot of people who have the most fulfilled and complete lives. People who feel that they are loves and can give love. And people who have kind of realized their potential as men and women. And I find common union. Jack, you in the comments.

What? Absolutely never. I don't, I don't understand. It's like it's not, you're not a real person. And what is the impulse is you just click in and you'll tell it in time. I mean, I know it is to be heard. Sure. That's right. Make your own page. You know, agreed. Next question for the record. I like nice community building.

We have I listen. We have a lot of nice comments. You know, thank you for everyone for asking where my dress is from. But like, you know what I'm saying? Of course. Really spend that much time. Anyway, next question comes from Cameron. There seems to be a positive energy surrounding the general state of cinema this year culminating in an Oscars that felt optimistic, exciting and a bit unpredictable. Most importantly, there was a meeting of movies people actually saw and liked original ideas and quote unquote good films. How do movies studios keep this up and build on what feels like positive momentum?

I mean, I try to take some lessons from whatever Pam and Mike were doing. You know, I think if you feel like coming out of this, the taking chances on great artists and letting them have a little bit more so you can get their movie. Yeah. Fucking do it. What else can I say? Don't pay David Zazloff, $800 million. Well, yeah. I don't think we stopped that unfortunately. That seems to be transpired.

“I don't even think the studios can stop that, but you know, I think it's just investing in artists. I think that's the most important thing.”

I think it is finding people who have good ideas, putting them in supportive environments, making sure that the other parts of the studio system that really matter to the movie industry. The marketing department, business affairs, how the productions are run, that all of those pieces of the puzzle are still getting or being fed and getting the attention that they need so that they can best serve the movies that are being made because they're always good movies.

Good movies are always coming out. I have no trouble making a best-ever list every single year even during COVID.

It's the way that those movies are platformed and how they're sold to people and then how they go up into the conversation. No guaranteed, it's going to work. No guaranteed, it was going to work at the box office. No, no matter how good it is, it's got to be sold properly to the world. Ryan Cooper did a smart thing by taking the reins on that movie and coming up with his own marketing plan and getting out in front of it and being like, "Here's how I should see my movie and here's why it's important. That helped a lot."

I think that also educated audiences about what movie going is all about. This can be done. Just sit down and think about it and don't treat people like their five years old. Don't treat people like they just want to fucking eat garbage all the time. We don't want garbage. We want good stuff. We know what's good. We can tell. We're sophisticated. I promise. Just listen to us and listen to the people who are making your stuff. Okay, rent over.

Okay, next question, comes from Chase. Now that Leonardo DiCaprio has had line three best picture winners with Titanic that departed in one battle,

“something that I believe only dust and Hoffman has ever done.”

Where do you view him all time in the Pantheon of Great Stars? Do you put him alongside a brando or Nicholson? If not, what else would he have to do to get to that level? Hoffman is not the only one. Clark Gable also did this. Speaking of the 1930s, in 1934, he was in an happened one night in 1935,

muting on the county, which just blew my voice out in a 1939 gone with the win. Within six years, he was the lead of three best picture winners, which is extraordinary. And Gable, I think, doesn't have the same stranglehold on Hollywood history that some of his, some of the people who directly followed him, you know, so you're Jamie Stewart's. But he was, he was Leo before Leo.

Um, I think Leo is pretty clearly on the Nicholson level at this point. Oh, yeah. You know, I think he's a star power in his acting skills and kind of representing generationally. I was going to say he is the generational guy. Right.

For sure. Brando's different.

Brando, Brando was a great star, but Brando was first and foremost a great actor who transformed acting.

And transformed what people thought acting American acting couldn't should be.

Yeah.

“I think he's a wonderful actor, but that's not his person.”

That's not what he's known for and he probably never will be known for that specifically.

And then Brando also very much rejected a lot of the public understanding of him and and we're expectation of what it means to be a movie star. Yes. And Leo has handled it very differently than Jack Nicholson. And I wouldn't quite say that Leo is a statesman of Hollywood and doesn't have any interest in it. But he is very, very deliberate in what he chooses and who he works with and how he is going to be perceived.

And then when it is his time to promote a movie. Like he shows up. He was on this podcast. He he was there throughout award season. Even if he was stuck on a yacht.

He's also throwing gas to the Oscars. Like he just like I was like, Oh, yeah, he's back. Yeah. The mustache look cool. He looked cool.

He played along with all the bits. He just kind of lived up to the moment in a way that Nicholson would have exactly. Yeah. I mean, I love Leo. We've been saying for 10 years.

Leo is he's the guy of the generation without question. I do think that he has a very similar thing too. Which you learn about the more you talk to people who make movies. And when a big star comes becomes involved in a movie. They have a lot of opinions.

They have a lot a strong point of view about what is a Leonardo DiCaprio movie. And then they collaborate with the filmmaker. And they make sure that the character that they're playing in the film at large. Kind of works with that persona. Right.

Right. It fits who they are. You know, if you look in the 90s, you see, we'll Smith doing this. You see Nicholas Cage doing this. Of course, Hank's and crews do this.

They have a really because of all of the power that they've accumulated. They get to collaborate more than you're, you know, run of the mill movie star. And I can tell that his influence is very strong and that he is so deliberate as you say. Because he also likes working with people who know how to collaborate with him.

“So I think Nicholas sends a very good com.”

Nicholas didn't kind of bend movies around his will because he had such a strong personality. And that personality very few of his performances could be considered subtle.

But the movies were almost always better because he was in them.

So that's a unique thing that Leo, I think for the most part, has got his arms around, especially as he's gotten more comedic over the last 10 years. He's got really gotten to be a skilled comic actor. And you can feel him almost infusing that personality into the movies. This is my favorite thing to think about. So I love that question.

What's next? Next question comes from Alex. Can the Oscars help save movie theaters? No. Esther.

And do they like, is it their job? As of now. Well, okay. Well, but here's the good do. Yeah.

If your movie does not open on X number of screens for X number of weeks. Yeah. You're not qualifying for best picture. I don't know if they can do that because small movies like the secret agent might not never be able to. And that punish is also small movies and that punish is and that.

It's us. But that one is movies rather than helping movie theaters is sort of the issue.

“And I think that it would help movie theaters.”

It would help movie theaters if they broke Netflix as well. If they told them either you're signing up or you're getting out of this race entirely. You're either giving up your whole fight for not putting movies on 5,000 screens. Or you you. You have to do it.

And then once you start doing it, there can be no there can no longer be. Guillermo del Toro is 150 million dollar dream project that you can only watch at home. That won't happen anymore. It won't make sense. It won't be logical.

It would have to go into movies on to thousands of screens. But it would hurt the secret agent. It would hurt sentimental value. It would hurt. It was just an accident.

It would change the Oscars again dramatically. So I don't think that they'll do it. They wanted specifically to work with with with exhibitors. That would help. Then you wouldn't be able to sneak around and be a streamer and get to compete for these awards.

But you know what? Streamer still haven't won. Only Apple is one one for Coda. Yeah. In a COVID year.

Yeah. So I don't. Is there anything else? What else could they do? I mean, you really do have to limit that to best picture.

Because then otherwise you're absolutely knee capping documentaries. And it international features, as you said, but even some of the smaller craft movies that don't have any chance of maintaining them. Yeah. Yeah. I, you know.

I have a complicated relationship with the ideas of the movie industry and its attendant parts. Quote unquote saving movie theaters, which are a dependent but separate business. And have not adapted in their own ways to survive. Either the movies or the customer. So, you know, I know.

And I respect where you're coming from on that.

And I think you're right that the exhibitors can always do more to make it just better for all of us.

Yeah. The thing is, is if you're too hard line about that, then baby goes out with that one. Right. I mean, I think it's both ways. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. You're right. Okay. Good question.

What's next question? Next question comes from Matthew. Pick you backing on your conversation of what legendary active filmmaker has yet to win an Oscar.

Harrison Ford. I mean, we Tom Cruise real one, not honorary.

Who's never been nominated?

As Ford was nominated. Once. But he was nominated. Once. In 1985.

I didn't prepare for this question.

“Who's the most talented deserving person who's never been nominated for an Academy Award?”

Rachel McAdams got nominated for spotlight. So that's out. I'm just thinking of people I've seen recently who don't have Oscars. I'm just thinking of directors like who's a director who's been nominated, who has never been nominated. Such an interesting question.

Yeah. Denny has been nominated. Denny's got a win soon, by the way. She's not going to win for Bond. We really interesting to see if he's really competing for director.

That could happen. I could see that happening. Oh, I would assume that it would. Denny versus Nolan in 27. Yeah. It's exciting.

John Goodman. Great one.

He's never been nominated.

John Goodman's never been nominated. I mean, I just googled it. I can do a second search. That's a great call Jack and many people have pointed that out over the years. And he has a supporting part in digger.

Oh, okay. Here we go. And it's time. So it might be time. Another guy who you've you've never seen in pop up in a movie and think I wish he wasn't there. Makes everything better.

Walter Sobcheck, of course, the goat. Um. I like that. Let's go with that. Never nominated as tricky. There are a lot of people who we like who've never won.

But never nominated as rare. Okay. Let's do two more, two and a half more. Sounds good. Thanks one comes from Dean from Australia. The one hundredth Oscars are fast approaching.

“What would you do differently during the show to celebrate a century of film?”

I mean, Sean's earlier point slash pitch. What's correct is that you got to build it out over a year. So that you're not stuck trying to cram in. Three and a half. It's like a hundred years of Oscar history in two.

Three hours. I think this is a place where clips could work. But clips of previous awards, acceptance speeches and great Oscar moments as opposed to movie moments. I think you can't honor a hundred years of film in one television broadcast. But you could focus it on the Oscars.

And I think this is one place where it's okay to be a little naval gasey. You got to walk a fine line, but use the history of the ceremony itself. Use all the great tape that you have. So interesting. I don't know a single one of our quote unquote guys or gals who are going to be making movies for 2027 and the 2028 Oscars.

Go down the list of all of our faves. Okay. I can't think of a single one who's going to have a movie at this going to be competing. Maybe Jordan Peel. So FIA you never know.

You never know. But it might be. There's not. Yeah, yeah. But you know, it's still a little bit of time.

It's early 2026. Not all movies need a. Yeah. But Tarantino Ventures. So toburg.

Peter Myers. Spice. Nancy Myers. Yeah. But I know.

That's that's a total of a commercial play. That movie. Yeah. It's just great. That's something wrong with that.

It's just, you know, secret wars is also a commercial play. That will be competing. But there's not even like a Dune Part 3 where you're like, oh, an event film that is prestigious, but probably will be in the awards conversation or an Odyssey. All of the, all of the franchise stuff that's been announced is money making stuff.

And that's it. So, and as far as I know. Like, who's on that? Is this a zel movie coming? You know, I'm trying to think of who the prison movie.

You know, like that. It's not as, we don't know because there's these things change over the course of 20 months.

“But as I think about that race, whatever it is and how it is reflected in the show.”

It does the show have to be more history than contemporary, too. It's an interesting question, right? And maybe it's maybe it's kind of how they celebrated.

Here's what here's what they should do.

Maybe it's how they celebrated SNL 50. Okay. Night before you have a separate event that is televised. You know, it was a music concert on SNL 50 the night before with which also had plenty of bits and famous people and people who were part of the cast and history of it.

And then the second night was the proper SNL 50 performance of the show. You could do something like that. And then also maybe you'll have six attendant documentaries that are associated with Oscar history, the same way that SNL did. I would probably take a page out of that book because I think by and large SNL 50 was very successful. I'm sure there are already deep in the planning a lot of the things that are going to be happening around that.

I would probably try to start a film festival that gives you a seven day run in the January or February before the Academy Awards,

which then can work also as like FFC events. I should be being paid for this. Right. I mean, I like why are you so tough. I don't know.

Yeah. But if you'd like to call me, you can. What's next? If this is our last question, I'm going to jump down to Ken. Right.

Just Ken. Just Ken. Picture this. It's 2036. What are you looking back on from this year's Oscars that turned out to be an indicator

“or an Oman for how the Academy Awards or Hollywood in general would change over the next few years?”

What from this year represents a turning point?

I was AI involved. I mean, I, you know, I was going to say, I hope it's not a capper on the Warner Brothers. As a, you know, existing historic studio and or the original filmmakers, you know, making big budget. Blockbuster works of art that also compete for best picture.

I don't think that will be the case. I, there's definitely a reading that this is, this was the last day of the good times, right? Yeah, you could definitely say that this is, you know, the funeral fire for the end of studio filmmaking and it's primacy in terms of prestigious filmmaking at scale. But probably not because the Odyssey's coming out.

You know, it's like it's on over. The universe is not going to stop making great movies. In fact, I think studios like Disney and Amazon kind of got to get with the program. And they got to start making more mainstream stuff. You know, real adult movies with original material or adaptations.

Like, projectile areas three days away. I think that movie like that is the future of this stuff. And it's not, it's not original. It's based on something that exists. But it's based, you know, on a book.

It's based on a book. That's the Taylor's oldest time. Yes, or at least Hollywood. It also has a lot of touchstones that were familiar with, which we will get into at, at large later this week.

But it feels familiar, but different. I'm going to keep saying that. You can't just make the same franchise movie. You can make a movie that is in the same vein as something. But it has to have a spin on it.

“And I think projectile area is successful in that regard.”

And I, so I don't think that when we look back at this show, we're going to be like, it was the end of something specifically. Yeah. I do think it's going to seem like an outlier though. That PTA got a hundred million dollars to make a movie.

And then he got to the mountain top and is invoked with like, it happened one night and and silence of the lamps on a podcast.

That's, I would never have predicted that.

Even if he was like going to get an it's time Oscar, I would have thought, okay, original screenplay. Right. Maybe director and a split never would have thought. I guess so.

I want to show. It does seem like this will look like 93 did for Spielberg. And 2006 did for Scorsese, which was they finally get. Like you know, a great generational or cross generational director. Like gets gets their moment.

He gets to be considered in that vein. Now you're right.

“And I think also that we'll probably look back on this as the year.”

Hopefully we'll look back on this as the year that, you know, Kugler really did become a major presence at the Oscars. I, you know, I was joking about him is, you know, the new mayoral strip of of the Oscars from reaction shot. But like a fixture someone in the audience, someone who is regularly nominated.

Someone who has a connection to a lot of people working. Because what Ryan Kugler has done in addition to, you know, creating centers, winning his own original screenplay Oscar. Starting a whole movement is he has brought up a whole generation of filmmakers with him. Right.

Like everyone below the line has one Oscars with him. Or, you know, one started whole careers on his sets. So I think he's going to be there a lot. And that has been happening at Oscars previous, but this is the year it really crystallized.

Yeah. What I hope for him, he can lead his career however he likes. But what I hope for him is he has makes more centers. You know, his next two projects are the X files and Black Panther 3. I love Black Panther and I love the X files.

I'm looking forward to both of those projects. I don't think of them in the same way for me personally as someone who loves film. The same way I think about something like centers. And I hope that that is the direction that he goes. And he continues to pursue that direction.

He'll be there every time he makes a movie. Yeah. You know, he will be Nolan. That's Nolan is now in that place or every time a Nolan movie comes around. You're like, well, this is the event of the year.

And that's where you want to go when you're a filmmaker with that much power and that much skill and that much insight. So it could be, it could be the announcement of him. I'm you could say the announcement of him was Black Panther. You could say the announcement of him was Creed. You know, like it's hard to say like, what was the...

Many people associated with him also one Oscars.

Yeah.

“And it just he goes from up and come or to ambassador.”

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now you're right about that. Okay.

Any closing thoughts? We're done. Yeah. Good Oscars. Moderate outlook.

You want to do anything on 2027 before we go? Sure. What are the... Odyssey, Dune. Yep.

And then everything that's going to be it can. There's more than that. There's closer day. Yeah. I wonder.

I'm sorry. Yeah. I hope so.

Sorry to our third chair.

“Stephen's been there for not putting that.”

There's nothing else right now. There's gotta be odds on that. Okay. So great. I'll say...

Mean Josephine from Sundance. Right. I think we'll be in consideration. If you're looking for it, it's time person. Martin McDonald.

His new film "Wild Horse Nine" is coming later this year from search late. Of course we have Digger. Right. From Tom Cruise and Alejandro Gonzalez inoreto. We have the social reckoning from Aaron Sorcon.

Okay. I'm getting a little... We have Michael.

The Michael Jackson Biopic.

Okay. We have Jack of Spades from Joel Cohen. Right.

“We have the aforementioned Projectile Mary.”

Yes. We do. And half way season. Multiple and halfway films. I hope she gets at least one Oscar nomination.

God bless her. Fjord. A lot of speculation about Fjord. You know who looked very good at the Academy Awards is for not to rise. She really did.

That was one of my favorites. She was wearing Louis Vuitton. My work. Yeah. The Red.

After party. That was also... Listen. She's very, very hot. I preferred the ceremony look, but I understand what you're responding to.

And I think that's great. I think that's great. And then of course, doomsday. Yeah. Right.

Great. Jackie Pumpford doomsday. I could not care less. I don't know. I'm still kind of excited.

I want to see it. Show it to me. Okay. I'm sure I've done definitely. They've figured everything out.

You still call me in. No. They'll definitely like you see it. They're shitty bit at the Academy Awards. Which is like everything for me.

I'm just like, I cannot wait for this to be over. I know. Well, I can wait for this episode to be over. It's ending right now. Okay.

You feel good about it? Yeah. Sure. Thanks to Jack Sanders. What a run by Jack Sanders.

He's been cranking out content with a big picture. Multiple days in a row. Content never sleeps. Here on the show. Thanks to Lucas Cavanoffer's production support on the show.

We'll be back on Friday to break down one of the biggest movies of the year. So far, project Hail Mary. We'll see you then. [Music]