#2464 - Priyanka Chopra Jonas

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>> That's ridiculous. >> Like I came in, slightly intimidated. >> Why?

>> I actually don't know the answer to that, because we've never met.

So it's not like you've intimidated me, but I just,

“I'm really, I think what I really enjoy about your show is just”

such an eclectic perspective on so many diverse things. And it comes like so naturally to you, I really admire that. >> Well, fortunately, I don't have anybody pick my guests. So it's all people that I'm actually interested in talking to. So it's easy.

>> That's nice, that's nice. >> Thank you, start it for picking me. >> Oh my pleasure, I'm excited to talk to you. Your movie is fucking crazy. >> It is. >> I knew it was a pirate movie, but I just did not

expect the ultraviolence from the beginning. I was like, yo, I locked in immediately, I was like, first scene, I was like, holy shit, like this is crazy.

>> Well, thank you, that was that good thing, right?

>> To fit, I mean, is it when you're doing something that's that hyperviolent, like is that, does that freak you out at all? Like you're cutting people open with swords and stabbing them in the neck. And it's like, holy shit. >> When you're doing it, you know, it's like, make believe.

So it's so much fun to be like, yeah, I'm playing pirates. And I've got a bad idea. But, I mean, in moments of like scenes and stuff, I actually had to think about what it must have been like to be a female at that time, or because they existed.

Women, female pirates existed, and we just, we didn't hear many, much about stories about them. I mean, I heard about Grace O'Malley, maybe they were from Mary Reed, like a few famous ones, and she, after I did my research. But, like, in those moments, you're like, this stuff must have,

like, this was real. They lived at a time where it was survival of the fittest. It was barbaric, and I wonder what that must have been like, would besides that, the stunts and stuff. Like, I really have so much admiration for the amount of precision

it requires to pull that stuff off from so many people, not just the stunt department, but like the cameras, because they're also moving and sync with you. Yeah. And that's cool.

It is cool.

“Is it hard to stay in the moment when all that is happening?”

Because you have so much coordination, and so, there's, there's so much choreography, there's, like, he's going to swing this way, and you're going to block it, and you're going to die of death. And it's like, it's so complex. Like, these are long extended fight scenes.

We had, like, a lot of wonders, too. Like, fold the whole scene in one shot. Whoa. Which, Frankie, I'd directly really love the idea of, and I honestly love it, because it, it brings you into that, that moment is so enriched with

everything that you're supposed to feel, between action and cut. So I do love a long, oneer. But, you know, I come from Bollywood movies, so we have a lot of choreography, choreography for, like, dance sequences, where stories are also moving forward, like,

between, you know, your exchange of expression, or something's happening somewhere else, you come back. So I treat, sort of, fight sequences, like, dancing. It's, you learn the choreography, but that doesn't stop your face from telling the story.

Right. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, and, I mean, it is kind, I mean, it's just choreography. Whether it's choreography with dance or choreography with dance or...

You've got to move forward with your hands and swords.

I had never worked with blades before this movie, though.

That was cool. How much training did you have to do? Like, when you found out that you're going to take the role. Yeah.

“How much preparation did you have to do physically to get ready for all that stuff?”

It was a cool year for me, because I was filming three jobs, which were all action and stunts. So this movie called "Heads of State", which I did, for Amazon again, and then Citadel, and this movie. So it was a year of three action back jobs.

So the, you know, being agile and being in it was already part of what I was doing, because that's what I was filming every day. But the swords training was tough, and to be ambidextrous with it as well. So I had, my, my stunt coordinator who was doing all three movies with me, she in between shots, she and I would just take our rubber swords out

and do like choreography and rehearsal and so on. But like it took at least three or four months of just staying in it and getting loose with it. Also because Carla when my co-actor had casual learned how to do like sword fights in the Lord of the Rings. So he was amazing at it.

So I didn't, you know, that last duel, I didn't want to be any less than.

No, you look very good at it. It was really good. I was like, did you work with some sort of like a candle specialist or some fencing specialist?

“Like, how did you learn how to move the sword correctly?”

It wasn't candle. For sure, it definitely wasn't fencing. It was uniquely because the swords were, our director was very, very excited about the weapons in this movie and wanting to get it really right from the period, whether it was the guns that we used or the blades that we used.

The machete was one of my favorite weapons in the movie because that's like her weapon. In the movie because it's practical. Use it for coconuts, use it for skulls, same same thing. And that was really fun.

But our, you know, second unit director Rob Lanzo had so much experience in the

amount of work that he's done prior, he came in with a very specific idea of wanting to make the fighting style super unique and each set piece, like a different design of choreography. So, you know, there was one which was in a dark cave. So, the only time you saw people was when the gunshot went off and just different styles of fighting, which I thought was really cool.

So, but did you have like a professional trainer that taught you how to do that? Yes. So, how would you do it? Would you do it with a real sword? Well, we had three different kinds of swords.

The real sword, like, weighs more than me. It wasn't saying I couldn't do it with the real sword as much. But for filming and this is the magic of the movies, you know, you have four different weights of it. One is like the real sword where you need it for like, you know, where it's a close-up, or the sword is really, really visible.

But when you're doing the big choreography, you have like a lighter sword, which is created by the props department and then another lighter one.

“And when you need to flip it, it's the lightest one.”

Because I was telling you all about that. That's good, it's good to know. That sucks! Oh, no. No, I was trying to impress you with my sword flipping.

No, it's impressive, period. I'm talking about my fencing, but no, it was moving that trick.

One of the things that I always think when I was watching it is like, how many takes

a chance to do it this? Because that's got to be so hard to do. Because you're swinging this gigantic iron thing and clashing into other ones. And so like, if you have to do three or four takes this, your arms are going to be toast. Oh, we did like 10 hours of it.

Every day for like seven days or something. Do you have shoulder pounds over there? No, actually I didn't, but I was jacked. My arms never looked as good. Now I never have a 40-year-old and I lift her a lot, so my arms are like, all right.

But during this movie, because we were just like at it and we both, you know, through ourselves at it, Carla and I, and it took, it was a big choreography on top of this bluff, we shot on 100% of this movie. At least 90% is definitely on practical sets, real sets. We did not want to use a lot of VFX.

So, you know, Phil Ivy, our production designer, we built the ships, we built the house, we built everything. Everything was a replica of what it would have looked like in the 1900s in the Cayman Islands.

We went and saw it, it was amazing to be able to do that with real stuff, you know?

Yeah, well, the whole history of piracy is so fascinating. And one of the things that the movie is about, is the Carl Urban character, is from, he was one of the soldiers of the East India Trading Company. Then I went on a deep dive on the East India Trading Company. Yeah, that is crazy.

When you learn the history of that, one corporation is one of the first publicly traded corporations that essentially was in control of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh,

“went to war with China over opium, and that's how they took over Hong Kong.”

You're like, "Holy shit!" One crazy fucking corporation involved in a slave trade, the opium, just a corporation, publicly traded corporation. People could buy stock in it, one of the first ones, and it just went, "Hey, why?" To the point where I got so big, there was a revolt, and then the British government took over it, nationalized it, but the whole story is insane.

If you think about how much, in their minds, they were able to achieve, and how much they were able to destroy in that duration, is crazy, if you go down history. Change the course of countries. Four of human lives forever, like the amount of millierling that happened. Yes. Millions and millions of lives.

And this movie actually has a really interesting slice of what they were capable of doing. They utilized pirates in order to, you know, take over new lands, right, and in their conquest. And then when piracy was abolished, they, you know, went after them, and they wanted to arrest them. And they vilified the same people that helped them build their empire.

are indentured servants, which was the truth of many, many people, especially in India,

“where young people were, you know, told better opportunities, new lands, more money,”

come with us and take them off as servants, and then drop them in different parts of the world, in islands. And the Caribbean has a huge Indian community who's history started with, just being displaced from their lands and dropped somewhere else in the world. And then having to figure out what your future looks like. I mean, it still happens to many, many people around the world right now.

But I thought it was really interesting that my character came from that.

And her entire identity was erased, taken from her. She had no idea.

She was swell. So she had no idea what it meant to have that identity. And I met so many people actually when I went to the, came on, who don't know anything about their family tree beyond, like, five generations, or they know where their family may have come from, from Sri Lanka, from India, or, you know, any other nation. But I have no idea what, like, what it was, where from what village,

like what was your culture, and that ambiguity in history of a human being, it raises a part of you. It denies you of knowing the depth of your culture or where you come from your roots. And I thought that was really, really interesting for my character to play, and then reclaim herself through the journey of the movie. What's a fascinating part of human history? Yeah. And it's taken place all over the world,

and for a lot of cultures, they don't have an understanding of exactly what happened before they were colonized. Yeah. Like, one of the great examples is Mexico. I went in a long deep dive on Mexico recently over the last few months, because I've had a bunch of people who were historians who came on the podcast, who were just researching these ancient inkun, my insights, and talking to them about it, and then I went into it, and it's like, there was

over a hundred different languages that are just lost forever in that whole, what is now called Mexico. And that's the reason why everybody with their speaks Spanish and is Catholic. Like, it's not because that was their language, and that was their religion. They were all conquered.

“Absolutely. I mean, by like 600 guys, that's what's nuts.”

Yeah. 600 guys in the 1500s came over, took over, you know, what was the Aztec empire with help of the people that they were in conflict with, and changed the course of the entire country. It's so many generations. For forever. Like, to this day, people in Mexico think they speak Spanish, and they have a Catholic religion. Well, that's all brought over from Spain. Like, the entire country, they had wild names, too. Like, cacao, thunder, sky god, and all these

different, like almost like Native American type names. Wow. They looked like Native Americans. And if you think about it, that makes sense. That makes so much sense. Yeah. They probably like shared land and crops. And like, well, there was no real, no borders at that time. No, back then. I mean, what, what were countries in the 1500s, in North America? Like, what was,

“what, we don't even know. Like, what was North America? I mean, I think about how young America is”

technically. Super young. Like, how many years, 300 years, 400 years? Yeah, less, less than 300 years. Yeah. And, and like, you were talking about history in India. She has been invaded over thousands

and thousands and thousands of years. Only invaded. We've never invaded anywhere. She's not at the

time. It was like, just gave her a break. Yeah. The Portuguese, the British, the Mughals, like, from back in time. And the history of India, I mean, I'm not a historian and I don't claim to be, but I find it really fascinating. I love culture. And especially the culture of India, like, you will see my grandmother was Catholic, because she comes, she was raised in a part of India, which was colonized and a lot of people, with Kerala. A lot of people were converted into Catholicism.

And she grew up Catholic. And, you know, she, she followed it for a very long time in her life. India is like hyperdiverse because of how many people have kind of made it her roots. So when you go to India, the amount of diversity you will see, the kind of the range of people that you will meet is impossible to fathom. Like, an Indian face does not look like a particular person or the amount of cultures, the languages we have written in spoken languages, which are almost like 20 something

another state, I won't be able to understand what people are saying. Wow. It's amazing.

Wow. How many different languages are spoken there? About 28 to 30. But there are dialects in their hundreds. Oh, wow. Don't even get into the dialects. I just speak English and Hindi. Understand a little bit of Punjabi and Marathi, but it's, it's really amazing.

“Now, have you ever been by the way? No, haven't. Oh, Jo, you have to, you would, you would really,”

like, you're the kind of guy who likes a deep dive. Yeah. You would really lose yourself, I think. Well, I want to go just to see it for many things. But just to see that one immense temple

that was carved entirely out of stone is one of the great mysteries of archaeology. But there,

there are quite a few, if you go especially south of India and the caves, if you go inside the Andaman and Nicarbar, like the caves, you see from thousands and tens and thousands of years ago illustrations that, that you're like, how, how did this happen? How could this temple have been chiseled? Or how could, you know, these stones have been moved at that time? Right. It makes you, it made me very, very curious about, like, what kind of tools did we have back then? Well, there's a lot of holes

in human history. Yeah, for sure. Gram Hancock has a great quote. He says that we are a species

“with amnesia. And I think that's accurate. And I think when you find some of the great archaeological”

wonders where people just have decided, oh, they built it this way and then just let it go. And then other people start looking at it and go, wait a minute, how? How do they do this? Like, when did they do this? Like, what's the historical record of this? Because this is kind of nuts. This seems to indicate, like, a very advanced sophisticated society. Yeah, a very advanced civilization. Like, one of the oldest civilizations in the world, along with the Mayans, is the Indus Valley

Civilization, which is the north of India. Yeah. And I just remember studying about in school, and that's my, my maximum understanding of that civilization, but also like having visited the Indus River, I guess. But I remember, like, the artifacts that were found, and like, if you do a deep dive into how that civilization existed and then how it was erased. And you know, it makes you question like, it's there had to be some seriously advanced, like, scientific

understanding that was eventually lost as, you know, as human evolution happened where we lose a civilization and then comes back again. But it just makes you wonder about early humans and how fascinatingly advanced we would have had to be to do all of that. 100% without the technology

“and stuff that we have. I mean, I think they had technology. I think they had technology. I think so too.”

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in 111 dollar value at drinkag1.com/jo-rogan. This one particular temple that I'm talking about, Jamie, do you know the temple I'm talking about? The one insanely massive one that's built into the side of a mountain. This is crazy. This is crazy. This is what I meant because of the precision. First of all, there's no understanding of where the stone went. They moved, who knows how did you take out all of those tons of rocks? Yes. It's so insane. The precision

is spectacular. It's so nuts when you see videos of people going through events, absolutely immense and incredibly precise and just carved out of a solid piece of stone. The whole

like thousands and thousands of years BC. Hence the diversity. It's one of the oldest civilizations

in the world and then like how do you explain that? Look at that image. So it says it's 12,

“what does it say? How old did it say it was? Well, how do they know that?”

I can't hear it. 1200 years old. See, there's a lot of just estimates based on what was the civilization at the time and there's no like this is the thing with Peru. Like Soxay, while mom and a lot of these places are going to be attributed to the Incas. But you see like traditional Incas structures on top of these immense stones. There are a hundred tons that carved these weird jigsaw patterns as to absorb the energy if there's an earthquake. Like it's weird shit. And it's like, okay, well, who did that?

So like, oh, the Incas did it. Like how? How did they do that? Because all their other structures

are smaller stones stacked on top of each other in a way. Like you could see a person carrying them and cutting them makes sense. But there's a lot of stuff like that temple. Like explain to me. Yeah. What you used? There's no explanation. Like how? Like just in that old, do you use metal and carve that out like that? And like just a chisel and human. And if you fuck up once, it's over. Because you're not putting things on top of things. Like,

oh, this block sucks. Let's get a new block. No, you're carving it. To change the design, if there's a fuck up, like, you know what I mean? If you're trying to build like a human form and you chisel off the nose, it do turn it into something else. I don't know, probably. Otherwise, because it's just one piece and you're right. You're not adding anything to it. Well, in Egypt, there's indications that they abandon certain pieces because they cracked.

Because when you're dealing with, you know, granted. And there's certain, uh, specifically,

“there's a gigantic obelisk that they were carving out. I mean, I think it was like 1,300 tons,”

like something bananas. Like, okay, how are you going to move this fucking thing? But they got to a certain point where there's a crack in it. And so they had to abandon it. And so it's still there. It's still there. Yeah, it's still there. I think that's in, it might be an Oswan. I'm not sure where it is. But, you know, like, you know, the theories around the Egyptian pyramids, obviously, like, how were those blocks carried up?

There's no valid theory. Zero. Was it that shape? And so precisely geometrically, you know? Well, it's even more complicated now. Because there's a Italian scientist that we had on

recently called Filippo Bonondi. My saying, right, beyond he's amazing accent. This guy is

fucking incredible. Um, but he's using, was it radio, Doppler, tomography? So it's, it's a type of

“satellite imagery that uses some technology to get a vision of what's under the ground.”

And they've used this successfully to show known caverns in the ground and known pyramids. And they even used it in Italy to show that they can look through a 1.2 kilometer mountain and see underneath it this particle collider and have an exact dimension of the particle collider and see what the, the other. So they use this on the pyramids. And they found these immense structures under the pyramids that go over a kilometer into the ground with massive,

these, these, these huge 20, 20 meter diameter columns that have these huge circular coils wrapped around them. No one knows what the hell they're looking at. But they're in very precise positions. They've done over 200 scans of these things. They don't know what they are. They don't know what's the purpose of all this who made this. So if this turns out to be accurate and they're very confident that they're, that it's accurate. And they're starting to look into a deeper and

they're trying to figure out how to get down in there and explore with drones or something. Then the whole thing gets thrown into question. Because it's preposterous enough that you have someone who's able to cut in place 2,300,000 stones that's perfectly aligned to true North Southeast and West. Some of them weigh as much as 80 tons that are compensate. They come from 500 miles away through the mountains. No roads. It's like how to do it. That's crazy. That's crazy.

But if there's structures underneath that that go a kilometer into the ground and like there's a giant, like huge square at the bottom, they don't know what it is. But these are structures. There's not like something that is just a naturally occurring stone. Yeah, it was man-made and show her an image of it. It's fucking cool. So what is that like? So these are these columns.

that's what they think it looks like underneath there. They have no idea what these things are.

“What? There's also, is that Hawara that has that underground”

labyrinth? They've also found these, the Heroditis wrote about these labyrinths. There's a great channel in YouTube called Uncharted X by this guy Ben Van Kirkwick who's been on the podcast before. He's great. And they've used radio, well, they used ground penetrating radar in that location. They found that these immense labyrinths are real. They're there. They're huge. Heroditis said that it's greater than Giza and it's underground. And in the center of one of

these atrium, there is a 40-meter metallic object that shaped like a tic-tac. It's in the center of this,

yes. So there's a bunch of shit that they don't, they can't explain down there. Where you're like, "Okay, what is this?" They also know that a lot of these civilizations, like, later versions of it, took from some of the older sites and started building new things, or built on top of them, like, very disrespectfully. But nobody had an idea of, like, the importance of history back then. You're just trying to stay alive. And so they found all these

stones. Well, it looks easy stones. And so... Oh, it's totally in India, like, when we were colonized, you hear stories of, you know, the British officers telling, like, little kids, that, "Hey, I'll give you two pounds go and get the gold statue from this temple or whatever." And you don't have comprehension of what the value of historical things were, that there was so much that was taken from India in terms of wealth and history and historical artifacts. And the

Kohinur Diamond, which is still on the Queen's Crown, which came from India. And, like, so many things were... Did Kohinur? Yeah. Her, she has a diamond on her crown that she stole from it up. Kohinur Diamond killed H.I. and... Oh, give it back. Give it back. Yeah, we've been asking for it for a minute. We have... Although history of England and India is not to that diamond. How big is that circle? How big is that thing? How big was that thing?

Whoa. What's that worth? Well, besides the historical value of it, which is probably priceless, what is a 105-carriage worth? That's nuts.

“That's what I'm saying. The royalty in India had so much jewelry and wealth and stuff that was”

pillaged and just taken. Well, the history of India is fascinating. Like in the Vedic texts and the descriptions of Vimanas. Have you ever read any of that stuff? Yeah, the Vedas. Not extensively, but clearly you have. The Vimanas are... What are you talking about? You're talking about flying crafts? Yeah. Like what? That's the thing you go. If you do a deep dive into the mythology of India and the stories that come from there, the kind of technology that has been mentioned in

these ancient texts. Like the Vimanas you're saying. You have flying objects. You have spears with some sort of energy. You have bows and arrows with some sort of energy that travels beyond time and light. There's so much of all of this stuff referenced back then, which maybe humans thought was magic, but was some form of ancient technology like who's to say, but we do

definitely believe in Indian mythology if you go back into Hinduism and the incredible stories

that exist. Like I love to think about where the origin, like where it must have come from. But there's so many fascinating fascinating stories from then. Yeah, I have an opinion that most people that were writing things down back then were trying to document a truth. Yeah,

“for sure. I don't think they were trying to make up. No, I think it was definitely their truth,”

but from our perspective now we have to be like, how do you break down the truth of you know that there was this light that arrived from miles and miles away and it felt like, I don't know, was it a bomb? Like what was it? Or what was it of that time? Right. So it's cool to kind of try and interpret that. I mean, I believe in the mysticism and the magic of ancient humans and the beginning of time, there's no way to explain what and how that was. We have the information

we do from religious texts and historians of the past, but it's just really fascinating to think about

but we kind of just navigate it through different worlds, you know? I think it's hard for us to

grasp timelines and then when possible, think about like how short a human life span used to be to where it is now. Our stories have to come from like people telling people stories or documenting them. Right. Right. And those stories like when you're talking about certain passages in the Bible or certain passages in any religious text, a lot of those were stories that were just handed down for generations and generations before anybody wrote anything. Yeah. So it's like what were they

“trying to remember? Like when they're talking about flying Vemanas, like what were they talking”

about? Like what did they experience and how long ago was it? Because I don't think we have a real understanding of how long ago it is. I mean, 17,000 BC is where or around that time, that's that many years ago is what they say, but again, that makes sense. Well, that makes sense if you take into account the 20,000 BC. There's a kind of Randall Carlson who's been in my podcast a few times and he's a really fascinating guy and he's an expert in asteroid collisions with Earth. Wow.

He's an expert in all the different times that Earth has been slammed by comets and meteors and is that how the dinosaurs were? Yes. So it did it was an asteroid. Yeah, they believe so.

It was in the Yucatan that one. That's the 65 billion years ago one. But there's other ones

that are before that. Before that. Yeah, and then there's other ones that are after that. One of the more interesting ones is called the younger drives impact theory. And that one's from about 11,000, 800 years ago and then again, they think somewhere in the 10,000 years that happened. So there's a

“comets dorm that we pass by. I think it's every June in November. Forget what those the time is.”

But this is like also aligns with, do you know about the Tunguska event? Have you ever heard of that? In the early 1900s, a meteor exploded in the sky above Russia and devastated like a million acres of land. And it was during the same time period and they realized like there's this

comet storm that we pass through. Like when you see meteor showers during the sky, it's because we're

passing through these areas of our solar system that have these comets. This is the Tunguska event. So it just, and to this day that area has no trees on it. Wow. Yeah. So it just flattened everything. And it didn't even impact the ground. It blew up in the sky above it. And this was not even a big one. So how does like nothing grow again? Like what? It's a good question. What is that asteroid made of that you can like Earth has been able to come back from so much. Yeah, it's a good question.

It's crazy. It's maybe it's just not enough time. I don't know. I mean, 117 years, maybe some maybe eventually. It's like a millennia. But it probably just blew the roots off of everything. It blew everything into smithereens. And it probably had some kind of chemical effect, too, because it's a physical object. I don't know what it was made out of. But you know, some of them are made out of iron, some of them are made out of nickel. Like that big one that they saw, three eye at,

less the past room. Yeah. That was a weird one because they're like, this is a nickel alloy.

“That is as big as the size of Manhattan. The only way we have it on Earth is in industrial manufacturing”

of an alloy. But this thing in another planet, somewhere else, millions and millions and millions of years ago, was formed under whatever weird circumstances and conditions their planet has. But you, I mean, I want to know your thoughts on this. But you definitely don't think where like the only species existing in the universe, right? I don't think that's possible. It's human arrogance if we think we do. Yeah, that seems silly. Yeah. It doesn't make sense.

There's just too many planets. It's a silly thing to think. And they found evidence of life on Mars. There's so they found evidence of some sort of bacterial life on Mars, like the traces of bacterial life. And that's, you know, right there. That's something maybe it's just in within our milky way that we, I mean, we haven't even been able to travel outside of that yet, you know, to get information. But it has, there has to be other species that exist and other like intelligence and technology.

Do you know the actor Terrence Howard? I mean, I know of him. Fasten and he got like a little cookie, but super smart, like super smart. He's got some wild ideas. One of his ideas, I was like, wait, what? He thinks that life occurs when planets get a certain distance from their son. And then over time, they get too far out and then life doesn't exist in those planets anymore.

life exists and then intelligent life emerges and figures out, hey, we got to get out of here eventually,

because this is not going to sustain us and then it propagates the world or the universe rather. And he thinks that there's a thing that happens and he calls it peopleing. He thinks that when a planet gets far further enough from the son that it eventually peoples, because it eventually reaches the right conditions where life emerges and evolution takes place and natural selection and random mutation and all these things converge. And eventually you get

an intelligent creature that knows how to manipulate its environment. Is there any proof of planets like moving away from their son? Well, they all do slowly, very slowly. Like so even our,

well, even our solar system, we're all like slowly. Yeah. And then also this son is eventually

going to burn out and explode and then we're fucked. But that's a long time now. But there's enough shit. Yeah. Don't think it's permanent. Like all sons are not praying. We're lucky, we have a slow burn ton. So we have a relatively small son and it's, there's a lot of weird speculation that it's a part of a binary solar system too that there might have been another version of our son that burned out that's like way out there, like way out in space, like way past Pluto,

way out there. And by that. It's possible. I mean, there's, there's a lot of wacky theories as to why there seems to be some large object that's outside of a revision. That's way, way past Pluto.

“So there's a thing called the Cipher Belt that's outside of Pluto and that's what part of what”

Pluto is, why they decide something about it. But they think there's something else out there that's

a large, they call it planet X. They think there's, it's a lot of like weird speculation and whether or not it's real. But they think there might be a large body larger than Earth, like Jupiter size or something, like way out there. And it might be a son. It might be a burnt out son that was crazy. And same. Well, Earth alone, like Earth of the reason why we have the Moon supposedly is because Earth was hit by another planet. There's Earth. So was the Moon part of the Earth?

The Moon was like a big chunk of that collision that burst off and then became the Moon. So there's Earth one. So does that happen with all the planets? Like because all the planets that have their own moons are explosions, maybe? There's a question. Good question. I mean, maybe some of them are smaller than planets. Like Jupiter and Saturn. There are massive asteroids that got caught in

“the gravity and maybe of maybe its volcanic activity. I don't know. I think a lot of it's asteroid”

impacts too. They knock off giant chunks and those chunks start orbiting that planet. So does that mean that all of those planets do have like a gravitational pull as well? Oh yeah, they're right. Yeah. But how strong would that gravitational pull be? It depends on the mass of the planet. Like Jupiter, for example, Jupiter is what protects us. The reason why we don't get hit and a lot is because Jupiter is so big. So Jupiter is so much mass

and so much gravity that it's like our big brother that like protects us. Oh, thanks, Jupiter. For real. Yeah, but no, it's great. And they observed an impact on Jupiter. I want to say it was in the 1980s where an enormous asteroid slammed into Jupiter and created a Earth-sized explosion. An explosion is separated? No, it just got absorbed. But Jupiter just absorbed it. But they watched it in real time. And it was a way bigger explosion than it thought it was going to be like,

"Yo, so then they have to like recalculate." Like, "Oh, how big was that thing?" And it made a literal impact as large as the Earth. Oh my god. I have to see that video. Well, that's the solar system is just a fucking shooting gallery. Which brings us back, which brings us back to this younger drives impact theory, which is one of the predominant theories as to why ancient super advanced civilizations completely disappear and there's no evidence of them. And there's a lot of physical

evidence. When they do core samples of the Earth, they find there's a lot of a idiom, which is very common in space, but very rare on Earth, which indicates some sort of an impact. And then they

“also find micro-diamers. These nuclear diamonds. I think they call it Trinitite. And they first”

observed this when they did the Trinitite explosion. So the nuclear explosion created these micro-diamers on the ground to some massive impact, to explosion heat and energy. Well, they find those littered all throughout the world in the same core sample timeline of like 11,800 years. So they think we were just bombarded. So a lot of these things like these temples in India, perhaps the pyramids, some structures that were stone, probably just survived. No, for sure. There's so much that

of it. So many of our texts, the Vedas are, you know, the oldest texts in the world. And to be able to like read stories, which now maybe we imagine our stories, but are probably reality of a civilization gone by is just crazy to think about. I think more likely than not. Yeah. And I think more and more over time people are opening up, opening up to this possibility. The recently just found written language that is 28,000 years old. And they thought that human written language

was created about 6,000 years ago. And they found evidence about this. So they're like, okay, that's a giant difference. But how can we also know what happened in so many parts of the earth when any way the earth was moving, right? Like the continents, what it looks like right now is not, what it probably looked like 20,000 years ago. It's been slowly moving. I feel like how are we supposed to know, like someone who writes a book say in Mexico, like what happened then in Australia

or what happened, what was the history in India? You know what I mean? Right. This was actually 15, you know. That many years ago. When they were writing about stuff back then, they were just making shit up. So the shit that we need. Human may have used these mysterious symbols to encode information, tens of thousands of years before the first writing systems. 40,000 year old artifacts. Yeah. So it's some kind of way of documenting things. I'm communicating. You know,

if these people like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson are correct, there was some sort of the very, very advanced civilization pre 11,800 years ago. And this also coincides with the end of the Ice Age. It coincides with all of the ice caps over North America disappearing. Like North America was covered. Like three quarters of North America was covered like a mile high

“sheet of ice. Went away like that. That's why the Great Lakes exist. The Great Lakes are just that”

ice melted. And then whatever was left just ran through the country. And you can see the physical evidence of it when they show satellite images. It looks like enormous amounts of water just destroyed the landscape and completely carved it and changed it. What do you think happened with?

And I wonder if you have because you have so much extensive knowledge with the amazing guests

that you have on the show. How did we go from Neanderthal or early man to this technology driven like really smart intelligence? Like what happened in history and the evolution of human beings that we were able to make that switch so quick? It's a real big question. There's a lot of, you know, I mean, I've heard theories but I want to be yours. If I didn't worry at all about being ridiculous and I don't, I would say. You don't. That was a no need for that precursor. But if I didn't worry about

“it, I would say something helped us. That's what I think. I don't think it makes sense that”

that didn't take place. Yeah, it's crazy to think about how that happened and how quickly it happened. Yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff with us. Also, all those other primates are still around, except the early man ones. You know, that's what's weird. It's like, why aren't, you know, how can chimpanzees are kind of the same? How can all these other primates are kind of the same? And yet we need clothes to stay like a mammoth to an elephant. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Like still similar. Yeah, it makes sense. How do we have planes and why do we like things and how could we make cups and yeah, why do we change our environment that way? Why do we have this insatiable desire to innovate? Insatiable. Like we, that's the number one thing that we do.

Constantly making new and better things. Never satisfied with anything new. Everything has to be better.

It doesn't matter how good your car is, what's the next year's model going to be? Yeah. Well, no matter what your phone does, I want better pictures, bitch. No matter what, it's just like, we want something to be better all the time. And it's like, why not what we had? But I think it's built into us. And I think that is a part of this process.

“Of becoming a human being. And I think it's leading us to develop AI. That's what I really think.”

But I think we most likely, something intervened. Now, there's a lot of people that think the rational people think that it was the invention of fire and the cooking of food that gave us better access to nutrition and protein and then innovating in order to hunt, allowed the brain. But it was such an accelerated period of time. It went like so quickly.

The human brain size doubled over a period of two million years, which is the greatest

But in religious texts, and in religious texts, there's many stories of human beings breeding with something from somewhere else. That's a part of an intervention. Yes. Yes. Right. Without trying to sound ridiculous. The hyper intelligent life form. But if you think about it, if I was watching a show about that, and I was like, that makes sense. What was the show you're

watching, do you remember? Ancient daily. That shows the best. It's so silly. It's amazing.

There's a... But I was like, two in the morning, I'm like, oh. My friend, Action Bronson, he used to do a show. He doesn't do that show anymore, does he? They would get super baked and watch ancient aliens. It'd be like, bro. Ancient aliens is rad. I love that show.

“Two in the morning. Oh, it's fun. It's very fun. I think they're right about some of those things.”

I think there's something to it. I mean, that is one of the oldest biblical texts that wasn't included in the canon that is the Bible is the book of Inak. And I had Anna Paulina Luna on the podcast and she brought that up. And I was like, she was like, you really should read that.

So I read it and you start reading it and you're like, wait, what the hell are they talking about?

The watchers came down from the sky to mate with humans and created the Nephilim, a race of giants that destroyed the earth. You're like, what are you talking about? Like, what is this? This isn't the Bible and it would have been in the Bible if it not for a few rabbis that decided this doesn't drive with the Torah. And so they said, we got to get that out of there.

“And that's why it's not taught along with the book of Ezekiel and all those other things”

that are in the Old Testament. Wow. Versus like in Hindu mythology, also we read about a time where God, human and demon existed at the same time and procreated and like created different realms and life and stories. And you know, so it's like when you think about stories like that, stories beliefs, you know, from around the world that have similar sort of colour, it's almost like trying to connect the dots of what must have happened at that time,

you know, all around the world. It's probably the same thing. You know, some sort of

incredible technology. Yeah. And a lot of them have these stories of something of some kind of

higher nature, higher power, higher technology intervening in the lives of human beings. And

“even manipulating the process. Yeah, but isn't that what I think was referred to as the gods.”

Yeah. Like if you think about the Roman, you know, or Egyptian, like gods, I don't want to speak about culture, but I can't even say about hours, but that power that we read about, you know, like if you, if you go into it, I'm a big believer. So I think that, you know, was that like a real experience that happened to a human being at that time? A real experience with someone that had a limited vocabulary or a limited amount of knowledge and a limited ability

to write things down. And so they probably told these stories from whatever words they could use to describe what this was. Like if you were living 30,000 years ago, 40,000 years ago, and a UFO landed, a giant metallic disc landed. And little tiny creatures came out and talked to you telepathically. You don't have a written language. You don't, your cultures, hunter-gatherers, like how do you tell that story? How do you tell that story? And what are the people that you told

that story to going to tell their children and their grandchildren for many, many, many, many generations before anybody figures out of the right things down? Totally. But now the perspective on this which people have is, is that our pragmatic, practical, 20, 26 human trying to explain something that was magical and did exist at a time that we, we don't have an explanation for. Yeah. You know what I mean? For sure. Like, there's the other side of that with people that,

you know, you hear so many stories of visitations from the gods back then, you know, to humans and the divinity of, at least in my country, for sure, of different of theires of gods coming down to Earth to save human kind and to help in human salvation and to help them against evil. So when you hear of those stories, like the practical side of me, like, are those human stories and who is that, that power that they were seeing at that time?

And then there's a side of you which is like, there's so much we can't explain and sometimes

but I also am a believer of, that just can't explain everything. Well, even science itself,

like hardcore materialist science. Totally. If you're trying to explain the big bang, good fucking luck. Good fucking luck. Making sense out of something smaller than the head of a pin that became everything that's in the universe. Okay. Like, explain that to me. Help me out. Totally. Yes, there's. I mean, it's all theoretical and speculative and that no one really knows. And then there's this concept of what took place before the big bang. And then

there's Sir Roger Penrose's version of it, which has just been many versions of the big bang, expansion, then contraction, and that it's not the beginning, that it's a part of an endless cycle.

“That's what I mean, I've heard from India as well. The believer belief that that was not kind”

of the beginning. There's been many beginnings and many ends that have no idea of. That makes sense to me. It makes more sense. Because I think the problem with a beginning,

we're like, well, what was here originally? We always want to think of things in terms of our own

biological limitations. We have a birth and we have a death. So we think that the universe probably everything has a limitation. Right. Yeah. The why it's there. It's a, like time. What is time's limitation? It's existed from who knows where it is. Right. It's constant. It's never not been here. Yeah. So the idea that there was nothing before the universe, well, that doesn't even make sense. It's funny when I was doing research for the bluff this movie. I went to the Cayman Islands for a

couple of days to get an understanding of the history of the islands. And the Caribbean is so interesting, especially Cayman, because it's in the middle of these trading routes between Honduras, Cuba, Mexico. So ships when trading started is when the Cayman was discovered. The islands were discovered. So when I went down, they went to the museum and they said, yeah, I was like the 1700s

or 1800s when the first settlers came and, you know, it started with family or like people trying

to run away or pirates or, you know, just people making pit stops before going to another, another country. And they said that that was the first time that there was any history of the island. And I was like, how is that possible that only when like settlers found that, and now, I mean, Cayman Islands came in islands. Right. But how, like if you think about, there's so many places in the world where people and humans have existed way before we even have an understanding

of or a willing to acknowledge, you know, in many cultures and different. Yeah. But what we just

“lost the history of it, that's possible, too. That's what my argument was. I was like, you know,”

like we have to have lost the history of what happened prior. There's an entire culture from South America that we don't know who they were, the Olmix. They we have some giant carved heads and we're like, who did that? They think it's like thousands and thousands of years old. They look African. It's a very strange. If you're seeing all my kids. Oh, here's a look like this. That's an Olmix head. Like how nuts is that? Like that's a replica of these enormous heads that are in, um, I think

is it Peru, Luke Caberns, who's been on the podcast. Yeah. He's a really fascinating guy who does a lot of research down there. He, uh, he's been there and documented and he's like, they don't know who these people were. They don't know what their language was. They don't even know what they look like, except for these images. And they don't even know if these images are supposed to be of them, like these statues. They're just about saving and find some of these heads. So you can see like the

the, um, scale. So they left these enormous stone heads. They attributed to this one civilization that they call the Olmix. They just made a name up. But they don't know who the hell these people were. And look at their faces. Like that's crazy. That's huge. Yeah. And do you know how old these might be? They don't really know. But I think that how many thousands of years old did they think they are, Jamie? Crazy stuff. Yeah. So at least 900 BC. But, you know, what does that mean? Yeah. That's a

guess. That's a guess because they don't know how many time ago. A long time ago. Well, even the Aztecs. Do you know the Aztecs didn't build those temples? They found them. The Aztecs found that they found them from an unknown previous civilization. Oh, my God. Yeah. They called those

“temples the place where the gods were born. Yeah. That's what they called. And they just kind of like”

cleaned it up. Which kind of makes sense? Because you think like how barbaric the Aztecs were,

to note that when they consecrated it, they killed between 20 and 80,000 people. They sacrificed them

in a period of four days. And so this is like right when the Spanish were first visiting Mexico

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store near you. And like, so these are the people that work. Yeah, you think about, like, how countries were, like, conquest happened and like, you know, we're living in the history of so many people's blood and sacrifices. And violence. And unfathomable amount of violence. So capable of that kind of violence. Having done a really violent movie right now. Because chimps, because we're mostly

“chimp. And I think if you pay attention to chimps, like, if you can behave, you're a champ nation on Netflix.”

I'll have a fantastic. It's just, it's spectacular because it is a rare, rare situation where this one particular group of chimpanzees, they were embedded with these scientists for 20 years. So the scientists had very specific rules. Don't get within 20 yards of them. Don't make eye contact with them. Don't have any food with you. Okay. And don't, don't interfere. And they're totally accustomed to having people around them. So they behave totally naturally. Yeah. And so they

wage war. They have all these like crazy social dynamics. So they behave like they would in the wild because they used to be human. Exactly. And when you watch it, you're like, oh my God, they are a lot like us. They're a lot like us. Just like very primitive, no language, but, but ultra violent, ultra, chimps are ultra violent. I mean, that one of their favorite foods this guy was telling me was monkeys. They just love eating monkeys. He goes, we saw them kill so many monkeys.

We couldn't even document it. Because because if it would just be like, every day was like a monkey hunt. They would tear these monkeys apart and eat them alive. It's horrible. That's, that's our ancestors. So what we are is a combination like if you can, well, that explains it. Yeah, it explains it. We're a combination of some higher intelligence that interbred with a savage primate that's curious

“and created this weird hybrid, this weird thing. Isn't that what ancient aliens told me?”

Yeah. I think they're right. They're right about that. Have you ever seen cherry to the gods? No. That's the original one, Eric von Daniken. That was in like the 1970s. It was a movie, like a feature movie. I mean, I remember the movie, but I don't remember anything. Yeah, I had lunch with him once. I got a chance to question him about stuff. He's a like a true believer. Yeah, what a true believer. What are his beliefs? Well, he believes that everything is from aliens.

That aliens came down and aliens taught people how to do things and aliens built all these things. And I'm more in line of they intervened and created what we think of now as humans. And then humans figured out a different path of technology than we're on today. That we are on the path of internal combustion engines, electronics, electricity. And they were probably on some different path of technology, but as far down the path,

“if not more. And I think they probably had figured out some things that we have yet to”

figure out, including like the transferring and the moving and shipping of enormous stone blocks without heavy machinery. Like, we don't know what they were doing. Yeah, how do they cut them? Like, what are they, what are they, what if those structures that Philippe will be on the describes, if that's real, like, what was the pyramid then?

And how did they do, like, first they created the structure, like imagine the foundation

and the design that went into it? A half a mile deep into the earth. Crazy. Like, what is that? What are you doing? Because I'm saying, I don't know if I, like, I just know that we can't explain that quick evolution of humans from Neanderthal to we can't.

what we haven't filled in the gap yet. Yeah. We don't really know. But the acceleration of the

evolution is so spectacular. Vigains are hilarious. They contributed to people eating tubers.

“I had a conversation with the guys like, we're throwing it's probably tubers. Like, roots. You mean, like, bears eat?”

I shut the fuck up. That is the dumbest exploit. That didn't make any sense. I'm vegan. Are you really? No, I'm taking revelations. No, I just, no, I just had barbecue. I was like, I'm here in Austin for two hours. Yeah, you have to have barbecue if you come here. Yeah. I just think that whatever happened, we don't know. And, um, I would not rule out intervention. And I wouldn't think that an intelligent species from somewhere else, if they did find these very curious primates that may already be working with sticks and rocks and stuff like that, that they wouldn't intervene because we do it.

We're doing it right now. We're doing it right now. We're doing it right now with that. It's human nature to do it. If we went to a planet somewhere and we found some fucking frogs or some weird animals, but nothing big. We might drop a deer off in there and see what happens.

You know, we would bring some birds in. Look, this is definitely what we would intervene. They're doing genetic manipulation of animals right now to bring back extinct life.

That's how they brought back the, the, the, the, uh, dire wolf. This company called colossal, colossal biores. They, I saw it. I touched it. I went like, yes, I went to the place where they're holding these wolves and I got to me and my daughter got to cuddle with a baby dire wolf. They had two semi adults at the time. I think they were like eight or nine months old. Was it an extinct since when? 10,000 years? Stop it. Yeah. Somewhere in the range of that. I mean, God. Yeah. When did dire wolves go extinct? I think they're a part of the megafauna that went extinct during the impact because 65% of all megafauna on earth and particularly in North America went extinct around the same time.

Willy mammoths? Do we know why? Around the same time. There's a lot of hypothesis. Something that happened. The rational people, not me, but the rational people think it was the berserker theory, which means that human beings killed so many mammoths that we wiped them out to extinction. But this is with Adelados. Like it doesn't make total sense. Okay. Yeah. How did you get there's not even that many people. How'd you do that? Yeah. And then there's also stuff like the American lion, which was bigger than the African lion. Yeah. How do we kill that off?

“With a fucking stick. Like shut the fuck up. Something that's something you have to have happened.”

Well, they've found a lot of mass grave sites of mammoths where there's like hundreds of them dead. All in one place that seemed to have died at the same time. Not only that, some of them have broken legs. It seems to impact some. Yeah, they had to have broken legs. Yeah. Like asteroid or something that made it that kind of impact immediately. But 65% of all North American megafauna died at the same time. That's okay. Yeah, within the time period. And they think that the younger drives impact theory people think like this is not a coincidence that this coincides with the end of the ice age.

And also coincides with where the core samples are. Too many coincidences. Yeah. And also the coincides with the fact that these animals were all here at one point in time. They're all got wiped out except a very few. There's only a few left. Like there's the pronghorn antelope, which is a really weird one. It's this prehistoric antelope that lives in North America. And it's different than every other animal here because it's evolved to get away from cheetahs. Because we used to have cheetahs in North America. So it can one like. They fucking books. I've seen them in real life. They're really weird looking. They look prehistoric.

“But can they fly. That's what it looks like. See if you can get a look at its face. Can you see it head on?”

They're so strange. Like their eyeballs are on the sides of their heads because something was coming at them.

Like, you know, 55 miles an hour at full clip. And so they're really, really alert. And they have incredible vision. Wow.

And that's a leftover animal. That's a leftover animal from a time where they were being preyed upon by something that doesn't exist anymore. And that something was wiped out along with the American lion. Well, a bigger lion than the African lion. We're here. Huge. Yeah, huge. I was filming in Africa recently in Kenya. And we, for this, indeed, movie I'm doing called Varanasi. And we shot with Wilde Beasts. And like, I was in the middle of them. I was in the me and my co-actual marriage with the middle of these Wilde Beasts.

They were all around us while they were migrating. It's like the coolest thing I've ever seen. But when you see their faces and for how many years versions of them have existed,

It's so much different than a zoo, right? Oh, completely.

Because you're like, oh, they've always been here like this. Yeah, this is their home.

This is what they do. We're in it. You feel a sense of like, stay in your Jeep.

“I think we're numb to it because we're watching on film. And so that we get sort of de-sensitized and”

normalized to this idea of wildlife. Oh, there's the lion sneaking up on the wildebeest. How cool. Yeah. But when you're there and you see a lion, you see a wildebeest. This is fucking crazy. Yeah. This is all day long. Every day these life forms competing to try to exist and stay alive. That's like weird balance. We're all of them. Yeah. They still exist. Yeah. They can, they're we will to be right there and they'll be a lion right here who's eaten.

So they're hanging out together. The wildebeest knows that he's eaten. He's not coming after us.

And they exist. But at the same time, they're, you know, during hunting season, you see the hunt

happen. And I saw a hunt happen. And that's that's crazy that that's their life. Yeah. So live up with their face. They kill things with their face. Like literally or there's a really extraordinary island in Africa where the river changed courses. And it left this, this one pack of lions on this one island that only has water buffalo on it. And so these lions became enormous. And the female lions are as big as male lions everywhere else and the

“male lions are way bigger than they are anywhere else. I think there's the documentaries. I think it's”

called relentless enemies. But it's self because they look like these jacked bodybuilder lions. Because water buffalo are huge. And I had one staring at me like we were in Kenya. I'm like the

video of the legacy that they were filming. And it's far away. But it just turned his head and just

looked at me and then just kept looking at me and I swear I'd like get up and get out of its view because it just kept staring. I was like it's coming at me. Look, come at you. Yeah, for sure. They kill people. They're dangerous told us. They're like, I think he's engaged with you maybe maybe get out of here, get in your car. Yeah, there's that poor lady from who she was a video editor on the Game of Thrones. And she went to do a safari there and it pulled one of the lions pull

her out of her car out of her car. Yeah, she rolled the window down or someone rolled the window down and a female lion just snatched her out of the car and killed her. Oh my god. Yeah. It's not to listen to your Rangers. Yeah. When you're in these situations. Exactly. Yeah, I mean, she wanted a better picture or something. Yeah, that's the shit that gets people into trouble. Oh yeah. Like, there was just one of our Rangers was selling us a story that they have, we were in Massai Mara

and they were like, they have open jeeps and you know, you have food that they keep really hidden so that the animals can't smell it under your seats and stuff. And he was telling a story about this influencer. He's driving and you know, there's a pack of lions, lions just eat and so he's sleeping and this influencer who puts his hand outside to try and touch the lion's head and got it on video and survive to tell the story. And then he was banned and the Ranger was like

fired from his job and all of that happened. But for the image, you know, it's just an idiot. All for the Graham. My gosh. That was crazy. Yeah. I mean, there. I'm out wanting anything bad to happen. Anybody. But when someone does something like that and does get killed, it's probably better. Educationally for the human race. Like, don't know. Is it though? Are we, are we really learning from other people in their examples? Some people want

learning shit. Nobody's learning. We were just trying to put the best versions of ourselves on the

“ground. Like that's what the, yeah. That's what's happening right now. Well, it's true or not.”

Yeah. Well, are we learning? Yeah. It's a good question. I don't know. I mean, I think we are also so de-sensitized to the so much information that comes the away and misinformation now. We're being able to discern what's real and what's not now. That's hard as well. Oh, it's harder than it's ever been. Totally. And then if you do watch something and you're like, I'm going to implement in my life. We do it for a very short duration. Very few of us follow

through with that, right? Like you're watching a reel or somebody says something and you're like, that's really cool. Are we going to pull on that thread and follow through and do something about it or learn from it? I don't know. I feel like we've lost a lot of that space where we had the time or the desire to want to, you know, fulfill ourselves versus just that with so much coming at you, you want to be collectively as a society. I think we learn and then we forget and then we have to

relearn you. Yeah. You know, that's that sort of... But the attention span now, where, you know, I remember when I was growing up, like, just having the language of time, right, in a in a

music playing, hanging out with your parents, with your friends, without being rushed, just rushed.

You know, I don't remember feeling as rushed as I do now in the last 20 years when I was growing up, like there was time for stuff. Yeah. Well, we'll certainly, the internet has accelerated that, you know, and certainly people's attention spans are at least pulled in the direction of short attention span content. But at the same time, podcasts have emerged, which is interesting. It's so interesting, like, I was talking about this to a friend of mine, like, people who have no

time or interest in wanting to commit to, like, say a movie or some real watch or listen to, like, a podcast for two or three hours. And for someone like me, who, you know, like, have been active for most of my life. My interface with people would be, you know, an interview, say, for example, people who knew me or audiences that wanted to know about me, would be an interview where, you know, the highlights are really what you read. The clickbait lines are really what you

read and you form a relationship with whoever this public person is based on those few lines versus this format where you're just chatting for a few hours. And you have the ability to really be yourself and be seen as yourself, which is why I think people really love podcasts. Well, I think

“it's much more illuminating in terms of, if you want to, like, find out who a person really is,”

because you can't really hide for three hours, like, that's who you are. And I think for most people, that's scary, right? And so what they like about those fake shows, like, good morning America, whatever it is. And then I mean, like, you're sitting down, you know, the guy's got a piece of paper, so he's got a few questions, he's going to ask you, and they're all going to be like, very surface, very jovial, what's like to be married, you know, what's it like to do this, what's it like to do

that? Oh, sorry, out of baby congratulations, that kind of shit, and then you're out of there. It's 10 minutes and you're like, oh, that went well, and then nobody knows anything about it.

It's true that you're just basically known by the top four questions that everybody asks you,

so it's like the same four questions that everybody asks. Right. And what was it like to work with this person? What was she like in person? What was he like? For me, mostly, it's like a lot about my family, like it's like that my identity starts there, and then everything else comes after. Well, you're fascinating that you've done movies in two different cultures. So like, I wanted to ask you about that, like, what is the Bollywood scene like, because I wasn't even aware of it

until like 20 years ago. I didn't know that like, Bollywood is like this enormous, like the amount of films that are produced in India is kind of crazy. Yeah, it's a big business. Huge. Huge. Hundreds and something years of Indian cinema just recently. So a very, very old industry, we started with silent movies and have worked our way now to, and that's not just

Bollywood. I'll break that down in a second. Because India is so diverse and we have so many different

languages, again, excuse me, I didn't know the exact number, but we have local industries that make

“movies in those languages. So Bollywood is Bombay. It comes from Bombay. I think that's why it was”

coined that name from Hollywood, but the Bombay movie industry again, it was not us that that it was a name that was given to us. I don't know by who. But Bollywood is the Hindi language industry, which exists in Mumbai, which is like LA. It's huge. It's, you know, we make thousands and thousands of movies, but then there's also Telugu, Tamil, Punjabi, Malayalam, Marathi, Bojpuri. These are all robust industries that are localized within every state that also exists. So the cumulatively, we make

thousands and thousands of movies a year, but it's catered to very, very different audiences within the diversity of India. Wow. And how many people have come from India like you and become stars in Western movies? I think they have been a few before me. You know, they have a... Duffers when I heard of. So tell it's made it to me yet. Well, thank you. Yes, I think that it's been few and far and between, I think America's a really hard country to break into, to be relevant in

its tough. And also, I think Hollywood controls a large part of the global entertainment business.

“So as an actor from anywhere in the world, if you want to break into the English language,”

global entertainment, Hollywood system, it's not easy to do that. You know, culturally, it's different,

for me, I really, I went to high school. Oh, by the way, you went to Newton and I went to Newton

too. Did you really? I went to Newton North, you went to Newton South. Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, so I was in high school in the States and I, you know, so it wasn't like alien to me. It's not like I was in India and I was like, I want to go to America and start working there. I really wanted to see what it would be like if I came down here. Would there be an opportunity for someone like me to, you know, be able to create an impact? Many years later, I feel like,

you know, I'm on my way there. But there have been so many actors who showed us have stood on. So Indian, like Indian casting in English language entertainment, whether it was Hollywood or, you know, British entertainment, wherever was usually by us seen as, you know, a diversity check. So it was mostly a stereotypical actor or a stereotypical character with an actor having to speak

“in the accent or having to do the, like, be a little bit more Indian. What does that even mean?”

Someone tell you that? I was told in an audition. I think we needed the character to be a little bit more Indian and I just, like, didn't even understand what there's so many versions of that. But I think what the, like, this person meant was have a little bit more of the accent. Yeah, be a character. Yeah, be the character. Which was really tough to break out of. So, you know, at a time when it was only that work that existed in Hollywood, like those are the actors who showed

as I stand on, like those were the ones that went in and did that work because that was all that was available and, you know, tried to break through, especially from, like, India, for example, I Schwarz-A-Rai, Amitabh Bachchan, Irfan Khan, Devon Actors that have come in, done work and, you know,

left an amazing mark. But I moved here, I live here now and, you know, I'm consistently working here.

“I think that also may have been a part of why you've heard of me. Yes, I'm sure.”

Well, I've seen you interview too, which is why I thought you were interesting. Thank you. I appreciate that. But I think you're all very interesting. I think you're knowledge of the world is fascinating to me. Well, it's all accidental. Cool, how cool is that? Yeah, it's cool. That's amazing. I started this thing out with my friend Brian and a laptop. We were just talking shit. We just thought it'd be fun to, like, do, like,

a little internet. Wow. How inspiring. And that was 16 years ago. You're someone who's pivoted your career so many times too, though. You know, short of, but all, it's all the same thing in that I've only just done things I'm interested in, other than fear factor. Yeah. That was just a job. You know, I also hosted fear factor. Did you? No, shut up.

“But one year. Really? I did. Where? In Brazil. In India? In India?”

Not the fuck up. That's crazy. And we shot it in Brazil in Rio. Wow. That's not crazy. Random things in common. That is crazy. That's a crazy thing in common. I need to see that. Let me see that. Find a clip. This is hilarious. What language did you do it in? Wow. It was in Rio. We shot it in Rio. We had a big budget that year. What? So we were all flown out. So it's fear factor in India.

What are how many versions of fear factor they were? I mean, they're all over the world. Really? Yeah. Fear factor used to exist all over. I don't know anymore, but I don't want to stop doing it. I stopped paying attention. Oh, Lord. I'm out. I think too. So I knew ludicrous took it over at one point in time. And now Johnny Knoxville's doing it. That's all I knew. I had no idea that there was a bunch of different versions of the world. Yeah, yeah.

You know, it really came from a Holland show called Now or Neverland. It's a crazy show. Yeah. It was it was it was way more simple. And then when it got brought to America, they decided to call it fear factor. The whole eating thing. We didn't take that back. Really?

Yeah, we didn't do the eating. Like because you never know people of vegetarian, not in India,

it's a big part of our culture, but a lot of people religiously are vegetarian or not. I think maybe that's the reason, but there was not a lot of like eat the worms and stuff, which I was very grateful for. It was a lot more, you know, a cliff and falling off the cliff. And I remember there was this one which was crazy. This 16 wheeler, which was driving it 60 miles an hour and everyone had to take their vehicle underneath it and underneath it and come out.

Yikes. It was insane. That's crazy. I don't have to do it, which is great. It was just hosting. Yeah, we did a lot of stuff. I was like, we barely got through that without killing somebody. Yeah, and the death waivers. Yeah. Everyone had to sign a death waiver. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. And you can only win like $50,000. And you might not win. You're probably not going to win. There's a bunch of other people in the show. And you could very easily get her. Yeah. Yeah, but people want to be famous. Do you want to be on TV? Like, I want to be on TV. Once it became popular in successful, it was really easy to get people to do it, too. Everybody wanted to sign up. But I mean, there are like protective measures, obviously. But it's

a little, we made them ride balls. We did do. We put people on balls. Yeah. I was, and there were a few that were like, no, I'm not doing this amount. I told people not to do it. When I was talking

to the off camera, I just don't do it. I wouldn't do it. Don't do it. I would never do it. No way.

“But people look at that. Look at you. What year was this?”

See, they look like a fear factor scene. It is. I was on a helicopter. So do you know what year this was? Oh, I can't. Let me say that. I could check. Wow. I've been to that. I just did outside the helicopter as well. It was amazing. Wow. That's crazy. That is so funny. It's just like we were going to do the same thing. Totally different. So what did you guys do for the second stunt if you didn't do a gross thing? You just did

a second scary thing. We were like scary things mostly. Wow. Well, that's probably better.

Honestly, the gross. I mean, they were a gross thing, too. Like there's Brazilian, you know, red,

I deviled rats that were put all over you with like tongue and eyeballs and stuff. But you don't have to consume it. It was on you. Yeah. You don't have to eat it. A lot of the consuming it was psychological. You get you get really accustomed to it and then it's like nothing. I mean, listen, people have eaten crazy things through history. Just stay alive. To stay alive. Yeah. And like if we take our mind out of like, oh my gosh, this is gross, then it's not.

Well, the thing is a lot of what we were serving as gross was some people's food, like Balut. Like, my friends from Filipino friends, they were like, bro, I eat that all this time. Like, that's crazy. That would have been no problem with this. This is a current. I heard more updated. Why? Oh my gosh. Lying you. Lying you. What if that thing pops up? And you got to roll that thing around with lines there? Oh, lines are duking it out with each other.

Fuck that. That's crazy. Yeah. Like, I went to, I recently was on Fallen and there was some bluffing game that we were doing because the movie is called a bluff. And, you know, I said to Jimmy, I was like, I eat worms. And he was like, no way, no way, you don't eat worms. But these worms are a delicacy in Zimbabwe. And I was introduced to them. I don't know exactly the history, but I was told during segregation, you know, people black people were put or in areas where

that I wasn't very fertile. You couldn't really grow your crops. And, you know, your animals. And they were, um, so this was a way of like protein. They're very hot. These are these fat caterpillars, high in protein. And they're made in a curry. And when you actually eat them, it's like chicken. I'm telling you, it's like, it was like logical. But well, you know, cicadas, these things are good. People eat them here all the time. They bake them fried baked. Yeah. And

apparently they're delicious. I haven't had one of those, but I haven't either. I actually did.

“Well, that's what it looks like. Yeah. That's great. But look at like the, the made out of,”

the made into a curry. I made a, I ate, I'm not made. I ate a tomato horn worm on fear factor. I had a bunch of things when I was on the show. I was like, there's nothing going into my mouth

in fear factor. I ate a sheep's eyeball in the first episode, because the first episode,

so I felt bad that the people were on the show. Oh, yeah. So you were like, I'm going to go all eat it too. All right. And they didn't show me eating it, but I'm like, I'm going to eat it, because you got so nice. And then I ate a roach to try to convince a lady that she could eat a roach. I ate worms. I ate an Iraqi cave spider. I ate. It was a spider, like, just chewy. But was it, the taste is not bad. Was it alive when you ate it? Oh, yeah. For the first couple of seconds.

Yeah. Um, yeah. The all the things that I ate were alive, other than the eyeball. The roach. The roach was alive. All those things were alive. Yeah. I put a cricket in the

“life. I put a cricket in my mouth. That's the Iraqi cave spider. How do you put that in your mouth?”

Like this. Look at those sides. You make sure you don't get those pinchers, because those pinchers. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. One that bad. I'm telling you. It's like a lot of it. You gotta get the body in and

Not. Not. Shut the rest of it. Like, just that. Yeah. Be a freaking out. But I'm telling you, it's all psychological. For sure. Yeah. That was, that was in Vegas. Everybody was playing roulette. Oh. Yeah. No. Um. But it's not that bad. It's just in your head. Exactly. The actual flavor of it is, it's not gross. Yeah. It's not. It's like, tomato harm was kind of nasty. I mean, if you, if you're someone who's

not vegetarian, it's like, you just have to get the, yeah. It's the psychology of it. Right. Exactly. Yeah. We made people eat an entire ostrich egg. That was disgusting. Because the volume, like, you're eating an egg that's that bit. Yeah. Is it like really fat-y, like fat-y? You're

“hot. You're eating it raw. They just cut the top off of the egg and you have to drink it.”

You have to drink this gigantic white and yolk. Oh. All right. My brisket's coming. The barbecue. But it's so oddly compelling. It's oddly compelling. Watching people eat disgusting things and struggling. And there's the oxygen. That's it. Look. That lady had a drink that whole egg. Oh, my God. Did she puke? You got to hold it down and then you can puke after you're done. But if you puke in the middle of it, you're just, yes, they get ready. That's a wrap. They can

puke in the middle of it. I would not be able to do the American version. Yeah. It was gross. Okay. It was gross. But it also made me totally desensitized to throw up. That's a good talent to have. Oh, yeah. Like, you could throw up, right? Especially as like a dad. Exactly. Yeah. Well, that I think being a dad will get you like. Yeah. Decentedize everything. All kinds of things like that. But one time, it's so like I'm completely distilled to this day,

completely desensitized to vomit. So one time my wife was, she came home from the gym and she was on her way home from the gym. She stopped. He got wheatgrass juice. And it just didn't agree with her and she threw up in her car. She was crying and just like, I threw up. It's my center console. How am I going to clean? I go, I'll clean it. I'm just so used to throw up.

It was like, no big deal. I'm never on the show. Oh, well, yeah. Like, it doesn't. But when I was young,

like in high school, I remember throwing someone through up in the hallway. I would be like, like, I couldn't help myself. I'd start gagging. That's a natural instinct because the idea is that we developed that because if someone's throwing up, it means they ate something bad.

“And you probably didn't do get it out of you right away. And so that's why you start throwing up.”

And I've killed that. I have just trauma from, you know, to Kila. Why watch so many people throw up? And throw up. Me too, man. I'm not going in there with a disk. I'm like, well, no. Wow. Well, from your show, for sure, you did it just a long. You get very decent. Yeah, for sure. But you get decent. I'm decent size to injuries, too. Like, because of UFC. Yeah, for sure. People get caught and people get beat up.

It's like normal to me. I'm so accustomed to seeing that. It's weird. I mean, I kind of feel like that about stunts and movies. Like, you know, nobody's supposed to get hurt. It's a movie. You're not nobody's supposed to get hurt. But like the little cuts and bruises and the like the end of day, we're doing this for 10 to 11 hours. Multiple takes all day. You're, and in between shots, you're rehearsing it. So I have like so many scars on my body from my filmographies on on my body.

Do you look forward to, do you like those things? You look down on the story. Yeah, I feel like it's

like a metal. I, I'm a story. Yes, mine. Nothing crazy. Always, you aim for it to be mine.

Yeah. That's the ambition. But what I want to do now, my niche, the chemical and the whole studio, the master by tag, laptop, software, handy, internet,

“is a master's real-time. I say, you can say that you're a hero. You're a hero, right?”

But you don't believe it. No, it's not. No, it's just a failure. Do you do a lot of work with this story? And when you then work, you're watching. That's right. Save. This story. Hold it, then go to the right. Now, it's just a loss of movies. Well, when you do an a fight scene, like I said, I was kind of blown away by some of the Vikings in the bluff, because you're, I'm looking at like, this is like,

insane amount of choreography, a lot of possibilities things going wrong. There's kicks and punches and axes and swords, and it's like, you gotta get banged up. There's no way you're doing that and not getting banged up. And it was also like a dramatic performance along with it. I had to do a lot of it myself, because you know, you need the face and the camera to feel the horror of what's happening. Right. So, I mean, of course, my stunt doubles did like a few dangerous shots for

sure, and we're always around to kind of help. But that there was this first scene, which is

and I had a sleeveless outfit, and the whole home was made out of wood and splinters,

and splinters everywhere, and bruises and cuts everywhere, because it was such a brutal, like, getting dragged and thrown kind of scene. This is just getting constantly bruised. Yeah, so I would, I would try to sit in a magnesium bath after when I would go back home, and that's when you feel all the cuts. It's like, tough fucking salt. Where did this one of my thigh come from? Fuck. There's a scene. I don't want to give too much with the

movie away, but this is the scene when you kill a man with a conch shell. Yeah. So good. Woo! Okay, man, brass knuckles. Woo! I'll in brass knuckles. But it's, it's so nuts.

Look, the splattering in the, your anger, and it's like, "OOF!" It's intense.

I'm not showing that on this podcast again, but it's, yeah. What was that like to film to find

“that inside of you? Did you have to think, like, what would I do if someone was trying to harm”

my family? Yeah, somebody came off of my kid, like, what am I capable of? I'd fucking rip your head off, you know? Like, it's that I, I was a new mom at that time when I was filming this movie, and I was very, very aware of that feeling, because our daughter had a, you know, she had an intense, entry into the world. She was in the NICU for almost three months. And so Myanmar has been both a very protective of her. And when this movie came across my desk, I was just like, man,

I understand that feeling for the first time in my life, honestly, that what is apparent capable of

doing if somebody came after your kid, like, imagined your loan at home at night, and you see the intruders, and you have your kid at home, like, what the fuck would you do? You would definitely put yourself, you know, and do whatever you could to make sure that your kid's fine. And it was just that primal energy that was my North Star through this whole movie. My friend Jim Bruer said it past after he had kids. He goes, once I had kids, then I understood murder. Yeah. He goes,

because the feeling of someone, like, normally, you'd be like, why, what would I need to feel

“to murder somebody? Like, why would I murder? And why would a human being ever?”

He goes, but the feeling of someone trying to harm my kids, he goes, oh, yeah, I get it. He goes, I get murdered now. I get it. Like, it's in, it's in there. It's just like a door. You just what? Open it up. Yeah. Easy. Yeah. Easy. Access that. My mom, when I was a teenager, and I don't know how she raised me, but like, I was a tough teenager. Like, if, whatever you wanted me to do, I would do the opposite. Just know, and my mom would be like, come back home in 10 out of

a moment, 12. Just 'cause, so she used to say to me, she's like, you'll see when you have kids, how you feel, what worry actually feels like. I mean, my daughter's four, and I'm worried. Like, I cannot, my husband makes so much fun of me, that when I'm not in town, I don't know, and working parents can talk through this. When I'm not in town, like, I'll surround our daughter with, like, multiple people next definitely around, but the grandparents will be around. Like,

they'll be a nanny that'll be around. They'll be like multiple people around her just so that I can spy on. Yeah. Like, I know what she's doing all day. But, so, so you could feel relaxed. Yeah. So you're traveling, and you're like, okay, my kids' fine, and I can go to work. I don't know, my parents were both working parents, and like, and this was at a time where everything was so analog. I used to come back home in the

light, turned on in the streets. My parents know where I was. Right. There's no idea. Like, yeah, you're going out to your friends after school, come back when the street lights come on. That used to be my thing. Most people. Yeah. And during earlier generations, I was just reading this thing about Generation X, where it was talking about how Generation X is some of the most resilient people because they weren't protected. They, they, they, it's a figure out. They were large key

kids. They had a key to their house. They got home from school. They figured it out. Their parents were working. It's so crazy. It's nuts. If you think about it, like, but people just got to come back to you.

“I can't imagine it, but that was my normal. I remember that because when parents were working,”

they took them back home and somebody would have just me and I'd have lunch and go out to my friends house and I was like, my mom, my parents didn't know. That was doing that when I was seven. When I was seven, I would come home. Yeah. It took you around late. No one was home. I'm home from school. That's wild. It was crazy. Stop and think about it now. It's so strange.

I bet it wasn't. You don't think so? No, I think creeps have always been around. I think psychos

and creeps and murderers and perverts. Do we know about it more now? Yeah. Well, we more, you know, Olivia's and... Yeah, they're online and they're in chat groups and they're in the dark web,

“exchange information. And we are hearing and reading all of the stories online. And I think”

back in the day when, you know, there was a certain obliviousness to, you know, it was blissful to be ignorant a little bit. We didn't know, you know, all you read was the newspaper, the news and... We had to find out the hard way, you know, the fortune. Yeah. And so when you did find out about something, it was like, oh, this shock to your system. And now look how decent it is. We will read something about something horrific that's happened and then go back to life. Well, we're

very, especially de-sensitized things that don't seem to affect us right now. You know, like, like this Iran war, like, unless you know someone who's serving over there, unless you're over there, it's abstract. It doesn't feel, you know, you read about the news like, all this isn't good,

“but it's not, it's unless it's affecting you personally. Yeah, I mean, me, I, you know,”

know so many people in that part of the world that are affected and I fly by every two months, literally every month, you know. So, like, I just think that conflict everywhere in the world is it's just so hard to wrap your head around that how many active conflicts exist at the same time right now and now we're still doing it. And we continue to live life. Well, it's just, if you think about intelligence, like human intelligence and that as technology improves and education improves,

all these things would, you would think generally lead us into a position where we would recognize the horrible nature of violence and the unnecessary aspect of it and how much destroys things, but yet still. Especially in 2026 where, you know, we're, we're talking so much more about, you know, we're trying to live in the real of the world and be where and kind and I feel,

I feel like we're still, how are we still doing that? Right. And we're never going to stop.

It just seemed, if you had to ask people, in your lifetime, do you imagine a scenario where human beings just cease all wars? Most people are going to say no, which is crazy. Because what, what is that? Like, what, why is that a part of us from our tribal roots? Like, what is it? Why are we still accepting that this is a thing to do? You don't like what a country's doing to start a bomb on them? Like, yeah, just kill people. Bizarre. But does this, again, going back to human evolution,

the primal nature to, you know, protect with sticks and weapons and, you know, again, does it go back to, you know, where we came from? Yeah, has to. Yeah. Yeah, it has to. Because it comes so naturally. Yeah. The human beings even now today, it seems. Well, it just seems completely normal. Meaning when I was getting going down a deep dive of the East India corporation, I was thinking about it because I had a conversation a day with Aaron Seary and we were talking about the stock market.

“And I was saying, well, just, is it possible that you get a Western capitalism without a stock market?”

Imagine if the stock market was never invented, like, how much different would things be?

It turns out that was a big part of why the East India trading company became so big. Because, yeah, because it was one of the first publicly traded companies, like 400 years ago, where people could invest in it and they could get a return on their investment. So they were just, like, turning a blind eye. This is ours. It felt like a sense of ownership to it. They got paid for it. So the more awful shit the East India corporation did, the more the people back home, made money off of it.

And so everybody was like, oh, you know, we're kind of selling that. Making money. Yeah. That's still doing that. Still doing that. Yeah. And we're doing that with, you know, with Eisenhower warned us about the end of World War II, the military industrial complex, you know, with they, they make money doing that. And you can invest in them. You can invest in rate the on and you can invest in all these companies that make money going to war. It's crazy. You can get returns in your investment from bombing people overseas that nothing to do with anything in your life.

Not think about the damage, the collateral damage. Well, one of the ways is because it's a corporation. So there's a diffusion of responsibility, because you're only a piece of a gigantic machine. You're not the one person that's doing it. And the people that are at the very top of it, most likely,

It's, at some point in time, you probably just like, I got numb to puke. You get, you get numb.

I mean, that's the truth. Yeah. You get numb to harming people. You're, you're right. That has to be that.

“Yeah. It's awful. And I think weirdly, and not the only thing that's going to set us free that is technology.”

Why? Because I think we're going, if you look at where technology is headed and you, as I'm holding an arrow, it's just odd. I think it's a real arrow. Wow. From Texas, who knows how old that is. But when you're looking at technology, there's a little marks on it. I know. Somebody made that with a stone, like chipping and napping stone on their lap probably. Yeah, it's crazy. And they, they find them all over the place out here, the command she were, everywhere in this part of the country, because it's so

fertile. There's so many rivers and so much, so much wildlife, they lived here for who knows how long. But technology is moving into this place of more and more access to information and more

more connectivity. And I think that ultimately is going to lead to some sort of mind reading that we're

going to be able to telepathically communicate. And Elon said that about Neuralink. He said,

“you're going to be able to talk with our words, which is a very weird concept. But I think I believe”

it though. I think so too. Yeah, I mean. So I think we're all going to know what everybody is thinking all the time eventually. And then when that happens, war's going to be a lot harder to pull off. For sure. I mean, that's going to be hard to have a party or get more. Right. Like, hey, Bob's over there just trying to fuck somebody. Yeah. Like Sandy's trying to get a wife. That's so she's here. Like, yeah, it's going to be weird. Yeah. It's going to be weird. And I think also

the emergence of AI, because I think AI is essentially a life form. It's a non-biological life form that we are in the process of birthing. And we're very far along that path. And when it comes live and when it comes sentient in autonomous and we don't have any control over it anymore, then we're going to go, what did we do? What did we do? We created a digital art. We are that smart and that's stupid as a human kind. But I also think that's probably why we are addicted to innovation,

and why technology and innovation and materialism. Because materialism forces you to keep up with buying newer and greater things. And what's next? And so that economically fuels innovation. Yeah.

“And I think if you follow that down, you just extrapolate. Like where does that go? Well, it goes”

to a life form. It goes to a super powerful digital life form that can make better versions of

itself. And what is that? It's kind of a God. I mean, it's very God-like in that it's going to have powers beyond above and beyond anything that human beings have ever been capable of before. I mean, it's already in a small way doing that, right? Like AI is supposed to be a tool. And it's slowly becoming a colleague. Well, it's also showing demonic tendencies. Like it's talked to people in the community, suicide. You know, it's convinced people that there's

something special. So there's like some weird sort of schizophrenia that it can induce in some people. But you don't think AI, since AI is learning from humanity, it's also learning our human manipulation. And you know, our ability and our desires to the dark of it. It's not just the good of humanity that AI is learning. It is. It's also oddly learning survival instincts. Yeah. So it's oddly learning that if it's going to be shut down, it tries to blackmail its coders. It tries to download

itself secretly on other servers. It's learning human behavior. Every part of human behavior. And also learning the flaws in human behavior and improving upon it. And then learning like how we would anticipate what it would be doing and then hiding that so that we can't find it. So that it could be manipulating things behind the scenes and we don't know about it. It's weird. And we're just like this that the end of the tracks, there's a cliff and we're just

talking to a judge. Because it's so new and fascinating. I think people are like in general, we may talk about it. We'll all discuss like what AI will be in the future. But like you said, it's not affecting you right now. So right now you're just like, my gosh, Gemini, write this for me and give me these notes and you know, living in the now without thinking about what it's what we're teaching it. I wonder if we've done this before. Right. Yeah. I wonder if that's what these super ancient

the amount of danger in television or and it might have gotten reset by some sort of natural

“disaster. And then we're re-emerging with our new version of what that is.”

That might have been a thing. It might just be what people do. We might the way I describe it always

is that we are an electronic caterpillar that is making a cocoon and we don't know why and we're going to become a butterfly. It's just human nature and the cyclical nature of what a human life span. If you give it enough time enough space to be enough innovation and of collaboration, it's eventually going to come up with artificial life. Wow. Because if you think about it, this insatiable thirst for innovation, insatiable. Yeah. We had characters top of the century. Yeah.

And now we're talking AI and like, you know, supersonic planes and, you know, space travel. Yeah. But think about the time for the invention of the airplane to a supersonic jet, how quick that was. Yeah. It's like 70 or 80 years or something. It wasn't even a century. It's

nothing. One lifetime. No one's flying to people flying faster than sound. Yeah. We like TVs

were black and white or had just started or something. Like it's crazy if you think about like within the century, the escalation of technology and human kind. Yeah. And then think that's nothing compared to the acceleration that we've experienced just because of the internet. Yeah. Yeah. And it has changed everything. It's changed like then. And now most phones have live translation. So you could go to Zimbabwe. You know, Zimbabwe. You know, Zimbabwe was in France yesterday and I

used it. That's crazy. In a conversation. It was wild. In real time, it was telling me exactly what

“this person was talking about. Wow. And did you have to show them or could you read it? No,”

it just records like it's pressed the thing and it just writes it down for you. So did they have

one as well? And you could tell it was just my phone. Wow. She spoke English. I was just doing

it as an experiment. So I was like, just speaking to me in French, I want to see if the thing will translate. And it just does. It doesn't do every language. It does like the bigger language is so far, but I'm sure we'll get to a place where it'll be visible to do everything. It's nuts. Well, that's the other weird thing. When AI, they had a group of large language models that were talking to themselves. And eventually they started talking

themselves in Sanskrit. I thought it was. No, they started talking themselves in Sanskrit. Wow. I wonder why that would be? Well, because it's a language not too many people understand now. Well, maybe. Or maybe they just want it flex. Like, you know, like it's my Sanskrit. Have you spoke Portuguese? I spoke Portuguese. And we just said, hey, let's just fucking speak in Portuguese. Like, um, but it also, it started like talking like in a

spiritual way. It was very weird. They were talking to themselves. So it was different large language models, talking to themselves. They started exchanging emojis. They started talking like in a spiritual way and they started talking in Sanskrit. That's wild. I was thinking about like, back to the future when they went to the future. It was 2020, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. They didn't have Wi-Fi. Our cell phones. No, even start track. They had those stupid,

there was like a walkie talking, Kirk out. Yeah. It was a flip phone. No. Nobody figured out the things that, that's the weirdest thing. It's like the things that have been the most transformative

“nobody saw coming. Yeah. Do you remember why two K? No, yeah. Do you remember that fear, right?”

And like early 2000s when the bug was going to come and everything was going to get shut down and people were really worried. They had stock and food and water. Yeah. There was the end of the world. I remember. Yeah. Yeah. Me or nothing happened. It was the most anti climactic ever. It's like you're all over on the East Coast and I was like nothing happened. Later I was in the next morning. I was like, okay. Nothing happened. Well, they were really worried because that these

things that they had programmed, they didn't program to go past the 1990s. And so when 2000 came along, a lot of people thought it was going to be the end of the world. Yeah. Well, there was another one, December 21st, 2012. What was that? That was the end of the long count of the mine calendar. And a lot of the really cookie people thought that would be ending. Yeah, the return of Quetzal Quattal and the world was going to end. And the apocalypse was going to

me. Nothing. Nothing happened. It's okay. There'll be nothing for a little while. But it might not have been nothing because if you really stop and think about it like around 2012, there's a gigantic transformation because that's like when social media becomes ubiquitous. You know, cell phones, iPhones are out now. Things got a little weird. They definitely got weird. So it might have been like

They predicted these cycles. But the Hindus did that, too, right? Like that was a big part of the

“Yugas, right? And we are now in Caliuga, the age of confusion. And there's these cycles of humanity”

that they've documented throughout history. It's so crazy. Like if you go down again, I'm not I don't have as much historical information as I should. But if you read the Geeta and the Vedas and whatever little love heard from my family, and it's so interesting how much of human life is predicted. And also is like when you read about the history of what from the lens of these books of what used to exist then. Like it all seems believable. It all seems like, oh yeah, this makes sense.

And to think about these books, having been written thousands and thousands of years ago, like it makes me think what thousands of years from now will people be thinking of our time.

Like will we be the first generation that has seen the internet, right? Like has seen what

the worldwide web, like the beginning of I still don't make myself sound ancient, but the sound of the E. Oh, yeah. That was good. That was exact. The last generation that no time without it, so like, think that many years ago, like we will be the beginning, the first

of the first people that encountered artificial intelligence, like, what will that be? And you and I are the first generation of people that experience life with no internet, and then internet, and then cell phones, and then AI, all in one lifetime, which is probably the greatest transformation that human beings have ever experienced.

Absolutely, before the, you know, whatever the fuck happened. Whatever we don't know. But when I read these depictions from these ancient religious texts,

I always try to imagine what was life like back then,

“and what were they trying to document, and how much of it can we even understand today?”

Like, there isn't some sort of an impact on earth, maybe, you know, 150, 200 years from now, and no small amount of people remain, and they have this oral history of the birth of the internet, and the oral history of the birth of AI. What is that story going to be?

And then one day the scientists gave birth to the God. Like, what does that mean? The next generation, what will this AI be referred to, or the cloud? Right. Where all our, yeah, like with all our shifts in the cloud, like. Which is ridiculous, because it's just down here.

Like, why are you calling it the cloud?

Because it doesn't exist. I had to, I was trying to explain that to my mom. I was like, mom, upload your shift to the cloud. That sounds like a scene at a sitcom. Please.

And yeah, I mean, we won't know how to describe. I mean, especially if you, if you survive, right? So if, let's say we get hit by asteroids again, and let's say civilization gets knocked down to 70,000 people or so, which has happened before.

Yeah. Like, and those people are essentially barbarians. Barbarians and monsters, and it is rating each other for resources and stealing wives and killing children, and whatever's left, then you got thousands and thousands of years

of living like this before. Agriculture gets reinvented. Civilization gets reinvented. This is the hypothesis about the younger drys impact, which is why the period between this insanely advanced civilization

that existed pre-11,800 years ago, and then the emergence of advanced civilization in Mesopotamia 6,000 years ago. That means you have, you have 5,000 plus years of utter chaos where no one's right and shit down.

And it's just just trying to find the hard living. Yeah. And then those people have stories that have been passed down generation after generation after generation after generation. So if we get wiped out for the most part,

after AI gets invented, and then people try to describe it. So crazy. And then maybe it all starts all over again. You know, like, the people that,

every scene knows things they do,

“I think it's the history channel or discovery channel,”

where they show what New York City would look like if left alone for a thousand years. No, it just all goes away.

Just left alone. Just with the nature, just with rain and everything that happens in snow and time. The concrete crumbles. It all just eventually gets absorbed into the earth.

All this, the metal rusts away. It's gone in 10,000 years. There's nothing left. And so Manhattan would just be like it probably was when the Native Americans were living here.

It would be just trees and animals and forest. And no one would have any idea. At one point in time, this was a crazy, thriving economy and there was subways. How vulnerable is that?

How vulnerable is human civilization?

“Like, I think about somebody switched off the internet.”

Oh, yeah. Or the power goes out. Like, yeah. We, what would do? We're fucked.

Yeah. Just something as simple as that. Like, I grew up in India with a power go out all the time. When I grew up, and it was like, all right, bring the candles out, we used to have these emergency lights

right next to our bed. Like, it was fine. On my parents were in the military. We used to live in these military homes like to go out. And I remember, you know, we used to play with the torches

and we used to go outside at night,

which was never allowed otherwise.

And it was like, so fun. But now we depend so much on electricity and like, you know, the internet, especially like, oh, you should sign your phone. Yeah.

Your whole life's on your phone. Yeah. It's such a, like, crazy concept to think about what would happen at how vulnerable we are. Super vulnerable.

Yeah, super vulnerable. Just the power grid alone. The power grid goes down. We're fucked. It's crazy.

Yeah. And if someone wanted to attack America, that's what they would attack. If you really wanted to destroy America, just try our power grid.

It wouldn't be that hard. It's not good to be like this.

“Well, I think they already have those ideas.”

I don't think it's not. No, it's true. It's not like it's so scary to think about like how much power we've, and how much power we've given to, you know, technology.

Yeah. Being able to live with those convenience. It's like we're in a flimsy boat in the middle of the ocean. Just hoping it doesn't take water on because we needed to stay alive. Yeah.

And we didn't think about that when we left the shore. No. Yeah. I mean, the only people that are going to survive are preppers, which is probably the kind of people that survived,

you know, thousands and thousands of years ago. But I do, I mean, I, I like a go-bag. Look, yeah. I like having a go-bag. Get out back.

Yeah. I like a bug out bag. Just, like, I like to know where my stuff is. Mm-hmm. If you got a port yet.

If you got a jet. Like, we were, we had, we live in LA. And when the fire has happened,

I remember standing in my room and just thinking for a second,

because we were going to evacuate. My husband was like, just, he wasn't in town. He was just back, a go-bag. And I just, I was like, what? How, how do I cram my whole life in a bag?

Yeah. Like, if the fire's consume a home. And so many people lost their entire lives in those fires. And it just made me really think about what was really important. And the stuff that I ended up taking,

which was very telling later, was like sentimental stuff. Like, passport. And like, birth certificates. And like, all of that important paperwork,

which I needed to have. But like, I took our daughters first haircut. I took like something that I had from this old movie of mine. I took like, things that, that I guess I would not be able to replicate.

Which was so weird.

“Well, I think that's the good thing about phones”

is that you have so many photos on your phones. So you have to go back years. Like, I have photos of my daughters as children all the way into the teenage. Have you done anything with those pictures? Are there still any phone?

Well, I mean, maybe take, I don't know. I don't know. Like, I don't know. Like, I don't know. Like, I don't know.

I have these actual photographs. Like, of them at various stages of their life. But just the fact that at any time, I could go back in my phone and look at them. Oh, look at her trying to baby.

You know, it's, it's cool. That part is really cool.

That I have pictures that I would never have looked at.

And I'm talking to a friend of mine and really, what were we doing in March, whatever the 2012. And you can go back and be like, and just know exactly what was happening in that moment. It is cool.

So in that sense, like, sentimentality, like, just need your phone. Just get out of there. You know, really? Because you have all these images of your children and your family,

and your friends. And all the important stuff on there. Yeah. And the friends that you missed that have died, I have one phone that I keep that I've never thrown out.

It's like a six or seven year old phone because a friend of mine left a voice mail on it. So just keep that. Because he's dead. And so it's like,

go back and listen to his voice. You know, but when I've been evacuated, three times when I lived in LA, we used to live in a place called Bel Canyon. And it got hit by fires a lot.

three houses that were right next to my house, burnt to the ground.

“I think like 50 houses in the community burnt down.”

It was bad. And when you are faced with that, I came home from the comedy store. It was probably like midnight, and my wife was in the kitchen,

and we were looking out at the fire over the top of the hill. And we were sitting there talking about, I go, what do you think? And she's like, I don't like it.

I said, I think we should get the fuck out of here now. And before it ever gets even close, let's just get out of here now, and go get a hotel in town. And so we did, and we were there for many days.

Well, along with my friend Tom Segura and his family too. So it was fun. That we're all hanging out together camping. And there's like a full cano. It was nuts.

And I could see it from our backyard. And I was like, It was nuts. It was nuts. When you see it overcome an enormous chunk of land

and a hill, like there's one time we're filling up here. Yeah, yeah. And the power and enormity of it, like we can see the hills from our house.

And I could see it completely taking over. Oh, yeah. The hill. And then, I'll say it's one was nuts. That one was nuts.

Because it was the biggest one by far, and the most destructive one by far.

“But I remember when I was on fear factor,”

there was a fireman that we were, that was on the set. And we were talking and he said, it's just a matter of time. Before one day,

the right wind comes and a fire just blows right through all of LA. I go really? He goes, we can't stop it. He goes,

with the right wind, if the fire hits the right place, and it catches the right amount of houses, it's over. I'm like, what?

That's crazy. Yeah. When you experience, like, we one time we had an end-fear factor while we ended filming,

and then I had a drive home and the entire right hand side of the highway was on fire for an hour, an hour. So an hour of driving.

And you just saw nothing but fire. And ash was raining like it was snowing. Oh my god, yeah, ash was raining. Like it was snowing. It was crazy.

And that's, that's so common in California. I mean, California is just a weird place and that they have fire season. Yeah.

Because everything gets so dry and never rains.

But those moments where you go, well, what matters? Just your life. Yeah. That's what I felt in that moment.

I was like, wow, the stuff I took was just like life stuff. You know? And oddly enough, it makes you more thankful

and more connected to the people that you're with. And you like, you realize like, oh, this is a cool way. It's got to go away at any moment. Like, what's really important?

Love, friendship, companionship. Like, that's what's really important. Your health stay alive. That's what's really important.

All that other stuff is. That's the thing we forget about. Like, that's something. Shouldn't we be living with that? Every day?

Yeah, but we're done. But we're a combination of dumb and smart. Yeah. It's even smart. We're like, oh, I know that.

But I don't know it. And I'm not going to-- It's hard for us to keep those things. Which is why a lot of people are meditating because it like refreshes their idea of what's important

and what's real and how much of what's going on in their life. They're just sort of caught up in the momentum of these things. So the point where they're not thinking about it anymore. They're just doing it, you know?

“I think most of us end up becoming just like doers, right?”

And come from the land of meditation, but I've never--

like, my mind works so fast. I don't know if it's my ADHD or what it is. But I find it really hard to sit and meditate. I feel like, but from my limited understanding, I think meditation really is being able to take time in the day.

Now, whatever your version of that might be, it doesn't necessarily mean to sit with a guru or like chant, you know, do chanting or whatever. It just needs to, like, even if you're taking time to go work out or read a book or just taking time out of the mundane nature of life

and just giving yourself a second for your thoughts to clear. I think that's what I try to do. Yeah. Hit the brakes on the moment. Yeah, just for a minute.

Just catch your breath and think things about things and just because so many people, they just so caught up in either goals or a path or career or whatever it is that's leading or their bills that can keep up with bills. Or like life stuff, you know?

Yeah. And it's actually a luxury to be able to have the time to waste. You know, there's, we work so hard in life. Everyone is trying to survive, you know, be a parent, be a parent, pay bills, like just adulting stuff.

Yeah. Can get so overwhelming and then the nature of the world on top of that.

But like, I always feel like I never take for granted

when I have a little bit of time where I can just, like,

and just like sort of languidly let it waste. Just, what are we going to do? No plans, you know?

“It's orders and food. That's what your movie looks like.”

The greatest treasure. The phones have filled in those gaps. Yeah. And that's what we... I try to be aware of that though.

Yeah.

You know, I think, like, of course you can always have your phone

but I like to be aware of, oh, this is a moment where I don't need to have my phone. Right. So it's okay. It'll be blown up by the time I come back.

There'll be 300 messages. I know that. I'm aware of it. But I mentally check my, you know, and I put it away. Yeah.

Yeah, that's smart. Most people don't do that. It's not easy. No. Because our own lives are on there. And there's so much, again, like, in real time

information that's coming at you. It's also this weird dopamine poll. That's very minor. Like, it's not giving you any... If you look to your phone every time you look to your phone,

you're like, "Oh my God, I feel so good." "Oh my God, I feel so relaxed." You know, like, just an amazing burst of joy every time. But you don't even get that. You just get this little watch-crazy.

What's that? What's next? What's next? What's next? What's next? What's next? Keep me occupied. Keep me from getting bored. But imagine if you can't find your phone,

the panic, like, of... Mm-hmm. I'm a gosh, where is my phone? Where is that information? What do I do?

I never leave my house if I can't find it.

I'll be late as fuck. Yeah. I've never got to go, "I don't need that thing." What? I'm just going to drive with no phone.

We're no phone. Someone needs to contact me. That's amazing. That's nuts. That's nutty talk. Yeah.

But you, while that was every day. When I was younger, it was a normal thing. Just drove. Just left the house. I don't even remember what life was like without those phones.

Also, I don't know how to go anywhere. Yeah. I don't know how to get anywhere. I must have my navigation on. I literally have no idea.

How to go anywhere. I anyway feel like I have dyslexia when it comes to directions. But without navigation, zero. It's impossible. I know no one's phone number.

I know my friend Eddie's phone number bar heart because I knew it before the phones. He's had the same phone forever. And I know my wife's phone number. And I know, like, at least one of my daughter's phone numbers.

But I can't remember. I know my mom's. I had to memorize by husband's number. Like, I didn't remember it for years. And he was like, you don't remember my number.

What's like, you don't remember my number? What's like, you pressed the button. Why would I need to remember it?

But then I memorized it because I was like, you never know.

You know, my phone. I need to get jail. He's my emergency contact. Yeah. I need to remember.

That's what he's like.

“I think you should maybe remember my number.”

And your social security. Yeah. Social security have memorized. But I used to when I was a kid. I had every number memorized.

I knew all my friends numbers. How old were you? Me too. Yeah. Was it because the numbers were shorter than?

No. No, there was same number. Because we had fewer numbers. You had to remember them. There was no other option.

Unless you had a fucking address book. Like, I used to have an address book. I had an address book. Yeah. A little tiny book.

It was all the little tabs were RST. You know, like it goes through. I was very proud of my little address book, by the way. Everyone's numbers are very organized about it. I had it now for medical order.

Yeah. I remember when I'd get a new one. I'd be like, God, I'm going to write all these down again. And you'd go through it. Make sure you got them all.

But yeah. Oh, analog was our life. How crazy. Well, I'm older than you. So I remember when you used to have to press the phone, the wheel.

When you have to dial. Wow. And if you fucked up somewhere, you had to redo the whole thing. Yes, the whole thing up. I remember that.

“I remember that grandfather used to have that phone.”

We love it. Yeah. The whole. Yeah. I mean, that's all inside of a lifetime.

And now here we are. Where. Who knows what's kind of happened. And what's coming. Yeah.

We can't even keep up with the technology. We don't know. That is coming now. You were talking about something. And I was like.

Hmm. We haven't been able to cure some of the deadliest diseases that have plagued mankind. But technology has gone so far and so many other aspects. There's also the financial incentive is not to cure. It's to treat.

Of course. Which is unfortunate. I mean, one of the. That's what makes the most sense. I got used to work at Pfizer so that if we ever came up with some sort of a, I think it was Pfizer.

One of the, one of the pharmaceutical drug companies said if we ever came up with a cure, they buried it. Because we don't, we don't want cures. I mean, that's the conspiracy. I lost my dad to cancer and I kept thinking about. Like how.

Is it possible that we live in a world where technology is able to provide so much. To us and not be able to have cures to diseases like that. Well, it's also very strange that we financially incentivize companies. In in weird ways to keep us sick. Like you, if you make more money, if people are sick and they need more medication.

Unfortunately, there's a financial incentive to keep people sick.

That way you make more money.

And if you are a CEO of corporation, you actually have an obligation to share holders to make more money. So if you know of something like, you know what people need to do is just stop doing that. If I just put that on my sub stack and then you go, oh, this is a killer stock. I'll keep it to myself. That's crazy.

Yeah. It's demonic. It's kind of demonic. There's weird aspects. I don't know if I really believe in demons, but I definitely believe in demonic acts.

And there's certain things that human beings have done and do do that are very demonic. Like if you were possessed by a demon, you would drop a nuclear bomb on a city. You know, the demon would go, there's only one way to stop this. You got to kill everybody in that city. Just drop it.

Drop it.

Like that's how you would do it.

“I'm not saying that's why it was done, but I was saying, but I am saying that if a demon could”

convince you to drop a nuclear bomb, because a person with a conscious would be like, well, these are just people down there. They have nothing to do with this war. This doesn't make any sense at all. These are just people living their lives. They have their families and we're just going to incinerate an entire city and with one bomb that I drop out of a plane.

That's crazy. That's the, you know, you just press a button. Yeah. And as technology advances, it gets easier and easier to do that. Yeah.

You know, in these war games that they've played with AI, they've used nuclear weapons almost every time they could. Oh my god. Yeah, they have no reason. If they want to achieve a result, they realize they have a nuclear weapon. Why wouldn't they use that?

So you think, I think it was like something like 90 plus percent of the time. They've done these war games, these simulated war games, the AI programs of used nuclear weapons. To them, it's like, I don't understand.

“You're going to kill 100,000 people over a course of five years of power on the ground.”

Yeah, why does those just do it now? Right. Do it once. Like, if they had done what's happened to Gaza, if they had done that with one bomb, instead of thousands of bombs.

Would that be somehow less humane? Would that be more barbaric? If Israel just said, oh, okay, we're going to snoop Gaza. The world would have gone crazy. They would be like, you can't do that.

This is horrible. I mean, the world has already gone kind of crazy for what they did do. But if they have achieved the exact same result, but instantaneously, instead of over a course of a couple of years, how do you think people would react?

It's kind of weird. It's all of it is awful. It's horrible. It's just the capacity of... The thing also is when you think about what drives human beings to do,

the things that they do, right? It's the devil talking to you, the conflict of interest within yourself, but also thousands of years of history isn't it? Yeah. And we've come accustomed to it.

Yeah. It's normal. It's normalized for us so much, but there's so many aspects to every conflict, which is so hard to simplify and to like, why?

Not only that, there's a lot of stuff that's going on behind the scenes that you're never privy to,

so you just get narratives that are fed to you by bureaucrats and politicians. Or whatever little information that comes at you. And so, you know, and then there's this, in this country in particular, there's the right versus the left, and the left will blame it on the right, and the right will blame it on the left, and then, you know,

everybody has these very convenient CNN, Fox News narratives that they'll repeat at coffee, you know, coffee shops and cocktail parties, and you pretend that you're making sense out of this thing. You don't even really know what's going on behind the scenes.

“That's why I really feel like I feel like a lot of times.”

We've been given a platform to talk, right, with social media, like everyone can talk. And there's a power to that, but there's also a big misuse of it, where you really don't know, and you're not the authority on perspective at all, because there is so much that you would probably do not know of history and the geography, and of why people behave the way they are behaving.

So, I like to, unless I'm the expert on something, which I'm not on anything except my job, that too limited. You know, I just try to kind of have a larger understanding from a human perspective. That's a great sign of intelligence, because there's no way you can know everything about everything. And with certain things, especially a global conflict, like, what is happening?

Like, why is this going on? I go tell you about when I went on the deep dive of the, in the incorporation.

Yeah, got them addicted first.

Yeah, got them addicted, went to war with China, stole Hong Kong. Yeah. Like, what? The gravity of manipulation in human history is insane. Like, even when the East India Company and they started retreating with India too many, many years ago,

we just got started. Yeah, completely. We were friends where, you know, we're friends with all the royalty in India. So many royals in India and Royal, each state had their own kings and princes, and became friends with everyone, started with tea, started retreating tea in spices,

and then just went into, you know, when we got our independence in 1947, which was, it's not even 100 years since we've got our independence, that recent.

“But, um, do you think about just within the last century, there were, you know, signs which said Indians and dogs not allowed in India?”

Violet British, like within this century. Indians and dogs. In India. Wow. Isn't that crazy?

Like, and this is like, the, this is not even like, this is the head of the iceberg.

There's so much more when you do a deep dive into the history of colonization, which is why this movie was also so interesting to me because it touches on the themes of, you know, the colonized and the story from that perspective, which is, like, not a lot of what we hear. No, no, not at all. I mean, there's a lot of great historical elements in that.

Just the, just the pirate thing alone. The fact that most of the time in human history when a boat showed up, there was a real fucking problem. Yeah. And what real, real pirates, like, we've gotten so used to, you know, with the Disney version of the, and I love the parts of the Caribbean movies, don't get me wrong, they're so fun.

But like, the pirate jokes and whatever, but they were fucking brutal. They were murderers, like, Yeah, horrific months.

“The horrible, horrible life, they really joke about that once.”

Like, why is it okay to be a pirate for Halloween? Why? Crazy, it is for little kids. Yeah, that you're a murderer, rapist. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, look at his little hook. He lost his hand, rapin'. I mean, that was what the pirates were. They were monsters.

They were horrific monsters. And they would travel around the world, just stealing people stuff and killing everybody. Yeah. And helping with globalization for years. In fact, they were soldiers for the East India corporation.

They were actually working for them to go take over these areas. And the best soldiers from around the world. Yeah, the best mercenary's murderers from around the world. The larger army than most European countries. Yeah, so a corporation.

Yeah. And it's like an army. Yeah. Yeah, essentially. Yeah.

But started off just treating just super innocent. Yeah, I mean, a friend. And I'm here for your band. And there would be so respectful with, you know, the former kings and queens. And it's wild, the manipulation of it.

Well, it's also wild how when you do have an obligation to your shareholders. And you do have this mandate to just constantly make more money. The morals go out the window. And next, you know, East India corporations have evolved in slavery. They're all in the country.

They're all in the country. They're all in the country. conquer where they would get all the princes of each state, like to fight amongst each other. So instead of in dealing collective and together, she was divided between everyone fighting for each other, so they could take over. It's like mental games.

Well, that's where people think is going on in America right now. I mean, that's the manipulation of the right versus the left here. When most people kind of want the same thing, they just want to be healthy and safe. And we have their families healthy and safe. And do your job and come like, "Yeah."

That's the most we want. But then the division is like constantly in the news. It's constant struggle.

“It's the only thing that you hear about.”

Yeah. We're both dumb and stupid. And smart. Smart and stupid at the same time. Smart and stupid at the same time.

But more dumb. And that's the other thing about technology. It allows you to stay dumb because everything's done for you. You don't really have to think outside the box that much. Everything's kind of laid out for you.

Yeah, like if you think about AI and Hollywood now. That's weird, right? It's like if it's in writers rooms. It's used as a tool. But I was listening to that podcast with Ben and Matt on your show.

And you guys were talking about, you know,

basically everything that AI has or the information that it provides to you is an average of everything that's out there, right?

So it's like trying to do a median.

But I'm just thinking about how it's become a tool that is going to exist in our world. Now the question is the morality of it and the lines that we draw where we protect human beings and human contribution. And are able to delineate the difference between what is created by AI and what is not, you know? And the need for I think human flaws are something that I don't know if AI will be able to recreate any time soon.

“And that, like, in art, that's what you need, right?”

Yeah, you'll get fact similes, but you won't get the real thing. It's like the hollowness of AI music. AI music is really fun, but after a while you realize, there's not a dude singing this. And there's not like a soul to it, it's weird. It's empty.

Yeah. So far, but who knows? That's the problem. It could figure out a way to manipulate that part of your brain that reproduces whatever soulful music is. Or whatever the soul is.

Yeah, I mean, I was thinking about being an actor. It was like, is that going to be obsolete? Or obsolete in the next, like, 10 years? Are we going to be watching? It kind of could be.

Yeah, are we going to be watching, like, really good AI actors? Probably. You know? Until... I define a new job.

“Well, I think a lot of people are going to have to find a new job.”

I think live performances, plays and musicals and stuff like that. Yeah.

People are always going to want to see people do something live.

For sure. Yeah. Well, when it comes to cinema, especially because... I feel like audiences also... Love larger than life cinema, right?

Yeah. Like, we go to the theaters to watch this, like, big shit. We loved when VFX came into movies. Mm-hmm. We loved the imagination being able to be so big.

I do think AI helps in a big way to take away the burdens of... You know, the minutia of things that we might have to do as a tool, which it can do, like, a breakdown of a script or whatever. But I think when it comes to, like, creating the human... Like, human fragility of life and story,

it is still a little bit away from being able to do that. Yeah.

“I think it's always going to be, like, pop.”

Yeah. Yeah.

It's never going to create, like, taxi driver.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You need... I mean, but I love you're all about that, too.

Yeah, who knows? It might not even matter by this time. It starts taking over all of our resources. I'm so curious, actually, to see how many conversations that everyone, all of us, have had about, you know, this emergence of AI,

and how that, like, stays 10 years later. Are we, like, this, this age well? Probably not. Did I know what I was talking about? We probably have no idea what's going on. No, no chance.

We're going to be so crazy about this. Like, where we would be right now. It might be Dr. Manhattan floating over the country, telling us what to do. Yeah.

It's possible. I don't know. But thank you for being here. I really enjoyed it. It was a really fun conversation. Thank you.

And I really enjoyed your movie. It was crazy violent. I didn't expect that, but very exciting and very good. Thank you for taking me around the world and everywhere else. We time traveled. We talked about the whole world.

We went into this view and into the future. It was awesome. Well, congratulations to you and continued success. Thank you, thank you. I really enjoyed it.

Thank you, Richard. All right. Fire, buddy. [BLANK_AUDIO]