#2470 - Pierre Poilievre

>> It's great to be here, thanks for having me, great to back in Texas.

>> I'm glad we finally did this.

>> Yes, me too. >> I want to do it the first go round. >> Yeah, I know. When I got the invitation, we were in the middle of the election. And we just don't leave the country during election campaigns.

>> I get it. >> And the problem we've had is we can't get you to come to Canada. And so, we've actually hatched a full strategy to get you into Canada. Because we think it's going to do big things for our tourism numbers.

“So, do you mind if I present you with something right at the gate?”

>> Sure. >> All right, this is from a gunsmith and machinist in Calgary, Alberta's name is Jay. >> And he's designed, look, that's Kelva. Guess what the way it is.

>> 70 pounds, that's the way you have it. >> It says on the front here. >> Jaymy.

>> It says here on the front.

>> Jaymy pull it up. >> Yeah. >> We've got, you see here, some other stuff for a stand. >> Oh, wow. >> That's really cool.

>> Look at this stand here. So, we've got seeing is believing, which I think was the slogan of the first UFC that you were the commentator for. I think it was number 13? >> 12.

>> Yeah. And then we've got here your favorite quote from, was his name. The Japanese martial artist. >> Martial art. >> Martial art. >> Yes.

>> And it says, if you know the way broadly, you will see it and everything. >> Yeah. >> So, that's here. And then Morris code, there's a thank you letter for you. [LAUGH]

>> You've got your flying saucer. >> Oh, wow. >> And we've got your logo here too.

So, but most important of all, we've got a subliminal message, which is the Canadian Maple Leaf.

>> Awesome. >> So, every time you do a kettlebell swing, you do a snatch, you do a clean.

“You're going to be seeing that Maple Leaf and you're going to be reminding yourself that you need to come back to Canada.”

>> All right. >> All right. >> Present that to you there. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you.

>> Very cool. Is that in the way, Jamie? >> I can take it off. >> Well, take it off. [INAUDIBLE]

>> So, I saw your interview with Pablo. And I'm a big kettlebell freak. >> Are you really? >> Yeah, absolutely. And I started researching him after you had him on.

And I was trying to, I love history. So, I was thinking, why did the Russians come up with this? And it turns out they used it as a counterweight at the farmer markets. So, they would say, you know, you come in and you have to say, this is how much potatoes you're buying. But instead of trying to do it by eyeball, they would put what is now a kettlebell on one side of the scale.

And then the produce on the other. And then at the farmers' expeditions, you had these big Russian farmers want to show how strong they were. So, they would pick them up and do all kinds of displays with them. And then the Russian army took it on, the Soviet army took it on. And then that's where Pavel picked it up and then brought it over the Atlantic and introduced it to America.

>> Wow, that's crazy. So, it was just accidental that they made this very functional tool for fitness. Yeah, it was just, you'd go to a farmer's market, you want to buy some barley or some potatoes. But you don't know if you're actually getting the real weight. So, they'd have a scale, the balancing scale, and they'd put the kettlebell on one side and the produce on the other.

And then you knew you got the right amount. And then, of course, they have these big farmers farm fares. And they're showing off their horses and their cattle and stuff. And they'd want to do strength displays. So, these farmers are throwing these things around.

And the Russian military picked it up. And then the Soviets, of course, took over, and they took it on.

“And then Pavel, I think he was a Belarusian though, if I'm not mistaken, Pavel.”

>> I'm not sure. >> And he brought it over to North America. But the ancient Chinese did it as well. >> Really? >> Yeah, the ancient Chinese, the Shaolin monks have used them.

But they didn't do it with cast iron. They had, there's sort of a concrete block. And they did it for strength training as well. >> Oh, wow. >> A little history.

>> Yeah, so I'm a big kettlebell. >> Yeah, so I'm a big kettlebell freak. I love it. And I really, I started to study what Pavel's teaching. I think he isn't a accreditation or something.

If I ever get time, I might take it. >> Yeah, strong first. >> Yeah, that's his organization. >> And you have a whole program. I think you do clean depress and then.

>> Yeah, I do a bunch of different things. >> Squats with overhead squad and all that. >> It's a great functional tool, just for your whole body. >> Right. >> Yeah, it's really one of the best pieces of exercise equipment I think I've ever found.

>> Yeah, I think he calls it a cannon ball on a handle. And the thing I like about it is the, it's like a catapult. Like it, all of the lift is in that instant where it flips over your hand. >> Oh, so there you go. >> There you go.

>> Wow, that's crazy.

So the handle was just to pick it up and carry it around. >> Yeah, that would be a functional use. >> Well, it's just amazing how good it is for a piece of exercise equipment that was accidentally designed that way. >> Absolutely. And I think it's far superior to a, to a dumbbell exercise because there's no,

a dumbbell you got to, you get a consistent lift, but that's not real life.

“If you're in a fight or you have to pick something up heavy, it doesn't lift consistently.”

It's explosive in that small range. And when you're doing a snatch by the time you get up to your shoulder, the things weightless. Because the catapult, the catapult effect is taken over and now it's actually negative ways lifting your hand up in there. If you're doing it right, but like if you're in a fight or if you're in a wrestling match or you're trying to push really hard against a heavy object, it's all about explosive power.

And that's what kettlebells give, rather than just this sort of freeze and contract thing that you do with dumbbells.

>> Have you always been a workout guy?

>> Yeah, look, I was, I was big into sports and tell my mid teens. I was on the wrestling team. I wasn't great. I was good, but I wasn't great. Then I got a wicked tendonitis in my shoulder and it ended my athleticism for like four years.

And that's how I got into politics. I was so bored. I got to get home from school. I had nothing to do. So I took my toe my mother tendonitis.

Got you into politics? >> Yeah, that's what I was. >> I just couldn't get rid of it. Every time I thought I had it beat, I'd go in and I'd train and it would be full of inflammation. No one could do anything about it.

And so I was like bored out of my mind and I said to my mom, like you know you go to these local meetings with the conservative association. Like take me to that because I'm going crazy. >> And that's nuts. >> Yeah.

“>> So what, what were you interested in when you first went there?”

Like we just didn't like the way things were running. Like what was it about it that got you so curious? >> Well, I grew up in a suburban neighborhood in South and Calgary. You know, and my folks were teachers. I was adopted.

My mom was a 16 year-old. She was a, obviously a single mom. She put me out for adopted to school teachers. There was electricians and oil workers and police officers lived in our street normal. Hardworking, good folks.

And I always grew up with the impression they were getting screwed over.

And that the government didn't listen to people like them. Didn't listen to people who grew up on streets like ours. And living in Western Canada, there was a greater sense of that. We call it Western alienation at the time.

And there was this guy, kind of a quirky guy,

“but a really brilliant guy named Preston Manning.”

And I saw this billboard of him and he had his fist up and it said enough. And I said, yeah, I like that guy. So I got involved in politics. And I started reading about different things. I started, I read a biography on Fidel Castro and then I read some more.

No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. Is that true? His dad was Pierre. His dad was Pierre.

I had issues with Pierre Trudeau too. It is a great conspiracy theory, though. Well, it is a hellable. I don't think it's a true one, though. His dad is clearly.

His dad was very controversial. I grew up because he did a lot of damage to the oil sector. And we're from oil country. And so that was one of the things that I felt kind of resentful about the national government. And one of the reasons that I got involved is because the West deserved a fairer deal.

And but I read a lot of books like, you know, Milton Friedman, capitalism, freedom. And I came to develop a philosophy based on just maximizing personal financial religious freedom. Let people make their own decisions. And that that animated me to get involved in politics and fight for that. And I've been doing it ever since.

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Deeply involved in politics. Yeah, I mean, like, you know, your sports guy, if you had suffered an injury that took you out of Tyquando when you were young and you simply couldn't compete at anything. You were probably looking for some other adventure. Yeah, which one was?

Well, we're lucky that stem cells weren't around back then.

Are you never would have gotten into politics?

That's right. I would have been arrested. I don't know if I would have won any awards. But yeah, that was how I got started. And I got very active, very quickly.

I got my first internship, making 600 bucks a month. When I was 16 or 17 years old. And I would take two trains in a bus and an hour and 45 minutes each way. But I was so thrilled. My dad bought me a used suit and a used pair of shoes.

And I thought, this is so incredible. I'm an important guy. I wear dress shoes. I wear a tie. Didn't matter that the tie was bad.

But from some dead guy whose family had sold it to a used store. But that was my start. And I loved it. Well, I'm really excited to have you in here because I've seen you speak multiple times. And you're a very reasonable, intelligent person that makes a lot of sense.

And that is a rare thing in politics. And I love Canada. Like, I just say, I don't go up there anymore.

“But it's because I think the government went horribly wrong over the last,”

you know, X amount of years. But the people are amazing.

It's like, I always said that Canada has like,

it's like America with like 20% less assholes. Like every time I go up there, like people are so nice. They're like nice as people. And I think that's part of what went wrong for Canada.

Is that people are rule followers. And, you know, they're trusting and kind people. And, you know, this wolf and sheep's clothing snuck in. And, you know, was pretending to use a sweet guy. And passing all these crazy laws.

And just when we saw what happened with COVID, with just what happened with the truckers and people's accounts getting shut down for donating to the truckers. Like, the whole thing was so concerning. Because it's our Canada was like a part of America almost.

I mean, you're a different country. But it's like, you used to be able to go over there with just a driver's license. You know, it was like, it was such a cool place. I started going to the Montreal Comedy Festival in like 1993. I loved it up there.

It's like one of my favorite places to just relax. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good.

How's your French? Not good. Okay. I'm going to work on that. We'll give you some French lessons.

It's terrible. I don't know any French words. My wife is learning French though. It's interesting. She's got this app that she's learning French.

But it's just an amazing place.

It's a great country. And to see it go the way it's been going and sliding the way it's been happening over the last, you know, X amount of years. There's just so many things that concern me. You know, one of the things that really concerns me is this assisted suicide thing.

“Had one in 20 deaths in Canada is now assisted suicide?”

That's insane. Well, listen, my view is that people should have the choice. But the concern we have is the suggestion that it would be offered to kids or offered to people who's only condition is mental illness. Right.

I want to agree with that. My concern as well. You know, if someone's got a terminal, like a good friend of mine went to Oregon to end his life because he had ALL. Okay.

But I mean, he was gone. I mean, he could barely talk at the end of his life. His name is Michael Lair. He was a regular guest on Kill Tony. Great guy.

Right. And it was horrible. I mean, watching him fade away. And he wanted to go out on his own terms. Right.

He went to Oregon for assisted suicide. There's a place for it. Yeah. And there was a kid recently in Canada and he did it for seasonal depression. I'm sure you're aware of that case.

I like who allowed that to happen? Who didn't counsel this young guy? Who didn't give him a hug? Who didn't tell him about diet and exercise and changing your surroundings, your lifestyle. And just do something.

Right. They give you some hope and happiness. Like seasonal depression. Really? You're going to end your life.

This beautiful life on this planet. For seasonal depression.

“That's why we have to do more to give people hope when they're suffering with mental illness.”

Yes. You know, give people the sense that they can take back control of their lives. I think we do have to promote fitness more because it gives people. It turns them into a subject that controls their surroundings rather than an object being controlled. It teaches people to that hardship is temporary and that the aftermath is positive.

And we have to give people reinstall people with a sense of meaning when they're going through hardship rather than to say that it's all over.

So one of the things our party is pushing for is to make clear that public servants who are getting phone calls from people who are in need of help for something. They shouldn't be offering that. They should be offering made people can seek it out if they want. But when you're calling up saying I'm poor or I'm struggling or I'm having a mental illness or I'm I've got an injury. We shouldn't have a government worker saying, well, consider made.

Well, the the unfortunate thing is that any organization that gets formed wants to grow and you get financial incentives.

“And then you hire more people and then it gets bigger and then what do you have to do what you have to keep doing what you're doing.”

Exactly. What are you doing? You're killing people. So you're going to kill more people because you're actually financially incentivized to put more people through this program and their lives. That's it's very sad. I think we have to get to get to a point where people have the freedom to make their own decisions. But they also have hope that there is an option for them.

Yeah, that's what we're trying to do. You know, and like the exercise thing. It's not just give them, you know, control the live. It makes them happier. It's it's it's show.

There's been studies it shows much more effective than anti depressants.

Absolutely. Well, it's the first world is the physiological side, which affects the brain.

“But it's also the sensation of discomfort that you push through knowing that you have to focus on the thing you have to do.”

And that I think it helps us in anything we're encountering, whether you're going through a divorce or a bankruptcy or an injury or an illness. If you know that pushing through to the other side because you've got a meaning there, that can give people hope for for better life. You know, my favorite psychologist is Victor Franco, Victor Franco, and he developed this logo treatment, which was basically giving people a sense of meaning. He survived the Holocaust in the concentration camp because he had a sense of meaning that he wanted to, his book was stolen from him in the concentration camp about this theory.

And he wanted to live on so he could survive and write that book. And then he found his what in his teaching that it wasn't so much people circumstances that determined their happiness.

It was whether they had a meaning and life and he tells us incredible story of a group therapy session where he had this very rich woman who was married to a very rich man.

And he had the next to him another lady who was living in terrible poverty, she'd lost his son and had a second severely disabled son. And he said to both them, "What will your life look like when you're 80 years old and you're on your deathbed?" And the wealthier lady said, "Well, I will look back and think that I had some fun and enjoy the simple, the luxury of being very wealthy and having an easy life that there wasn't a lot of meaning to it." And whereas the mother who was struggling with a disabled child and had lost another one said, "Well, I gave my first child a great life, a short one, but a great one.

I struggled to give my disabled child a good dignified existence and I leave this world satisfied and happy that my life had purpose and meaning."

“And the less than I take from that is that it is not about whether you have a gazillion dollars or whether your life is easy.”

It's whether you have some meaning to invest your life into and I think we have to infuse people's lives with meaning so that they can live a good life.

Well, that's a great message and I think that's one of the most important parts of being a leader is having a great message and having a great philosophy and having a great perspective.

And I mean, that's what disturbed me the most about when Trudeau was running the country. I didn't feel like that. I felt like he was manipulating people with woke politics and ideology and that it was just this weird, slippery slope that people were falling down where they're losing rights and you're losing your ability to express yourself. And it just really disturbed me because I always felt that Canada was like one of the freest places and one of the most open-minded places and it just I didn't understand how it could fall so quickly.

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“And in our system, the opposition is an act of loyalty. That's what our system means that if you're opposing the government, you're doing it out of loyalty to the good of the people.”

And our House of Commons, you have a half circle in your Congress. We have two sides in our Parliament. It's two and a half sort lengths apart because they used to literally kill each other in the old English days.

But the idea is the opposition is to prosecute the hell out of the government. Make the mighty low. The most powerful people in the country are supposed to tremble every time they walk in that place.

Because every mistake they made, every abusive power, every corruption they might have done, can be exposed and in front of all eyes. So our system is really designed to constrain the power of government through what we call Parliament. I don't work for government. I work for Parliament and Parliament works for the people. We call it the House of Commons because it's a House of the Common people. It's green in there because they used to meet in the fields of England.

“And so I really view the world of our Parliament to limit the power of government, to maximize the power of the people, make people bigger, stronger, and more fulfilled by having the government narrowly focus on the things it's supposed to do.”

Roads, military, basic social safety net, borders, police, etc. But then leave people alone to live their lives. If I were to start a political party from scratch, it would be the mind-rolling damp business party. You know, just get the government to do its job well, do four or five things really well and then let people live their lives. Well, that sounds very reasonable. Yeah, I mean, anybody that doesn't go along with that, anybody that's opposed to that doesn't make sense. No, look, like I said, the way I grew up in everything I've seen ever since, when I talk to farmers or factory workers, electricians, I find they know just as much or more than the so-called experts I encounter on Parliament Hill, like back during COVID when all these governments were printing money.

And all the politicians in bankers and all this is great. We'll let all this money we get to spend. I walk around communities and I'd have like mechanics say, you know, we're going to have inflation. And I would say, yeah, it makes sense to me, and I'd go back to Parliament Hill and the experts, but I'll say, no, no, there's not going to be any inflation. And sure enough, all that money filtered into the economy, bit up all the goods we buy and everybody got smoke with higher prices. But the point is that it was the, it was the common people who don't study the stuff for a living.

They don't read endless reports and studies who could just figure out that if there's money pouring into the economy that's not matched by goods and services, it's going to bit up the cost of everything. So that's my experience in my ideology is the common guy knows how to make his own decisions. We need to empower him to do that. Yeah, just to add to people's lives. Exactly. So there's a narrative in America and the narrative is that you were about to win and your party was about to win. But then Trump came along and said he was going to turn Canada into a 51st state and everybody went crazy.

I wouldn't say they went crazy. I mean, it like, well, it was a very upset. They should be upset, though. I mean, it's a crazy thing to say.

It is a crazy thing to say. Canada is not for sale. We're never going to be the 51st state.

You know, we love Americans as neighbors and friends, but we want to be uniquely and we want to be sovereign as Canadians. It's our country. It's where we grow up. You're a patriot as an American. I'm a patriot as a Canadian. It's where my grandfather arrived. It's where our collective ancestors put on military uniforms and sailed to fight wars. It's where our grandkids are going to live. We're very proudly Canadian. So we're never going to be the 51st state. And I just wish you'd knock that shit off so that we can get back to talking about the things that we can do as to separate.

But to separate countries that are actually friends.

“Did that really have that much of an effect up there? Like did people take him seriously?”

I think at first everyone thought it was a joke because we've always had these jokes like in a one day we're going to take over Vermont and Detroit should be part of Canada and all that stuff.

Understandably. It's a crazy thing to say.

I told him to never talk about it. It was like, so funny. It's like, first I was joking, but then people were like, it's a good idea.

That's not a good idea. What he's saying that I can assure him of that. But and the tariffs aren't a good idea either. We should get the tariffs out because there's so much but we could be doing together as partners and partners if we got rid of those tariffs.

“You know, I think what are the biggest problems in America today? affordability, security, and we can help with both. We knocked the tariffs down.”

Let's look at affordability. We got the fourth biggest supply of oil anywhere on earth. You guys pay a huge price discount for our oil because we're effectively all our infrastructure to ship it is north-south and it's a very unique heavy oil. We accept unfortunately and for now a price discount on the oil we send you, which can translate into more jobs and paychecks but also lower energy price. You've got five dollars a gallon right now and lots of places in America.

You're buying, I want to produce more so we can sell two million more barrels of Canadian oil into the US market.

And then there's there's housing. You've got huge housing pressures on young people. They can't afford a place to live. We're the biggest supplier of Feck of lumber for home building of any country that imports to the United States exports to the United States. We've got very low cost but high quality soft with lumber. We could be shipping or the best truck. The best selling truck in America for 45 years now is the Ford series. It's a military grade aluminum body. You guys can't make enough aluminum here. You don't have enough box site or electricity to convert it into aluminum and aluminum.

You get your aluminum from us. A tariff does not bring the production to America. It raises the price of the aluminum and therefore the F-series truck. Get rid of that tariff. You lower the cost of an F-series truck for the for the minor in Appalachia or the electrician in Ohio. And that's just on the affordability side. There's a lot we can do with our minerals to make the continent a hell of a lot safer as well.

So I think it's an America's interest to come towards a tariff free deal and trade freely as friends and that will be good for both of us.

Have you had conversations with Trump about this? No. I believe in the rule of one prime minister at a time. So I thought like hell the win. I didn't win. We came very close. So I've said listen. I'll leave it to the prime minister to do the negotiating. And I've said I'll support him anyway. I can't even my visit down here. I'm sending him tax messages to tell him what's going on to try and support his work because what we want. We both want what's best for Canada. Where are your elections now? When do you have the next elections?

That's, this is a strangely hard question to answer because no real weird system. Yeah, it's weird in comparison to stars. Yours are fixed as you know ours. We have technically fixed election dates, but the government can fall at any time. It's very simple. A rule is that if the opposition parties bind up and they can vote down the government. That is to say the majority of MPs in the House say we've lost confidence in the government. The election is now.

Or if the prime minister decides he wants an election, he can call it and the election is now. But it has to be sometime in the next roughly three years.

“Oh, so you have a deadline where you have to take place?”

Yeah, that's right. But it could happen tomorrow. The, it wouldn't necessarily be tomorrow, but like, you know, in the next few weeks, if there were a non-confidence vote and the government lost it, then they then they go to an election. So it's kind of like the British system. Interesting. Yeah. Oh, it is the British system, really. We adopted the British system almost identically.

So when you're campaigning, you're essentially, this is like a long game. You're, you're just laying out your strategy, laying out what you would do to make Canada better place. Yeah. We have two roles. So I, I said, I'm the leader of the opposition, but I'm also prime minister in waiting. So the notion is that the Canadian people should not only have a government, but they should have an alternative. And that alternative has two functions.

“The official opposition, it's actually called that. I think it's a proper noun of a capital O official capital O opposition and also government in waiting. So you have to be prosecuting the government.”

But you have to present to yourself to people in a way where they say, yeah, that guy or that team could actually be the government. Though those are the dual roles that I have to carry out. Interesting. And how long have you been attempting to become prime minister for? How long has this been going on for? Almost exactly four years, because I launched my campaign in February of 2022.

Or I, I say in the back of my mind, but it wasn't something I was set on.

“Like I, I thought maybe, you know, one of my 50s or 60s, I would try it, but I was in no rush to do that.”

How old do you know? I'm now 46. And so what motivated you to do it? Well, you know, after COVID, as COVID was unfolding, it wasn't just the, the COVID policies themselves. It was the economic policies, as I've been very focused on economics in my parliamentary career.

And I was seeing the size and cost of government, not just in Canada, but all around the world growing so much. And that inflation was just destroying the working class people, and that it was going to get a lot worse. And so I ran on the platform of making Canada the freeest country on earth. We had a tradition of freedom in Canada. Our, our one of our earliest prime ministers will for Laurier.

We asked what's your, what's Canada's nationality? And he couldn't actually list an ethnicity or a religion, because we were already mixed up even a hundred years ago.

We had scots and Irish and first peoples.

So he said, look, yeah, French, French, most of all, French and English and first, first nations. So he said, Canada's free and freedom is its nationality. And I wanted to reinstate that idea. I wanted it to be the freest country anywhere on earth. And so I ran on that platform and won the leadership and then ran in the last election and stayed on after that election.

So that's kind of the, the last four years of my journey. And so the way your elections work now.

“So you're essentially just stating your case and going around and talking about what policies you would implement and how you would do things differently.”

And just waiting to see how it all plays out. It's, we have, see, our, our prime minister is different than the president. He's actually part of the legislative branch. So he comes in to the House of Commons and we debate multiple times a week he and I. So it's not just, you know, in your system, the Republican Democrat holds like four debates right before the, the election in our system.

We're always debating. So he comes in, he's on one side. I come in, I'm on the other side.

And I ask him like six consecutive questions.

And then he answers. And we go back and forth. And that's called question appear. Then we have these committees where we prosecute and propose on finance. Natural resources, healthcare, you name it.

So we're constantly prosecuted in the government also proposing better ideas at the same time. So like the other day, I proposed to bring back the auto pack between Canada and the U.S. To have tariff free trade going both ways across the, the border. So that's an example of how I'm in a position actually offer solutions, even though I'm not in the government. And then hopefully government actually steals my ideas and I've been encouraging them to steal my ideas.

So what is this coffee, by the way? Yes. I need some coffee. Yeah. I'm a terrible caffeine addict.

Cheers. Cheers.

Oh, and shout out to George St. Pierre for hooking this up.

Yes. George is a good man. He's the best. Great guy. He, he said he's going to have me do some padwork rhythm at some point.

Oh, really? That's pretty dangerous. Oh, that's awesome. He's here all the time. He's a fantastic guy.

He's the best. He's one of the best representatives of martial arts. You could ever hope to meet.

“It's got humility. I remember he came to Parliament Hill years ago and I thought Jesus is going to be.”

Because he, I had to be cocky and swagger, but he was so down to earth. Oh, so much humility. For what he's accomplished in MMA, I've introduced him to people and they have no idea who he is. Yeah. And then I go, that is one of the greatest fighters that ever walked the face of the earth.

Absolutely. No way. He's so nice. And that's the Canadian way though. Like, it's softspoken and gentle and kind, but don't piss us off.

Yeah. But tough. Yeah, that's where Trump fucked up. I wonder what would have happened if he didn't go along with that 51st state nonsense. You know, I mean, that is the narrative in this country.

Like I said, that if he didn't do that, the you would have won. Well, you never know. But I try not to cry or spilled milk. I focus on what I have to do and live in the present. But but this new guy.

Milat. Have you followed him, Mike Milat? Oh, sure. Yeah. He's going to be fighting Winnipeg.

I think he's the next GSP. He's very good. You like him? Yeah, he's excellent. He did a great job in Montreal.

Mm-hmm. If you saw him there. But you have, I've been to many of us called bunch of his fighters. Is that right? Yeah, he's excellent.

Yeah, he's a, my buddy is his trainer. Crou Allen. How am I going? Mm-hmm. In Hamilton, he's a, for Hamilton, steel, steel town guy.

And, and we're hoping that he has a big win in Winnipeg. So, well, you guys have one of the best gyms in the world.

Is that right? For us a hobby. Okay.

“If there's like maybe a handful of great masterminds in, in MMA as far as coaches.”

Right. And for us is at the top of the list. Is that right? Yeah. And what's his detraint GSP?

Is his discipline karate or boxing? I mean, he's, I mean, he's a true mixed martial artist, black belt and jiu-jitsu, kickboxing. I mean, he can do everything. And he has a, try star is a place where a lot of people from America go up there for their camps. Interesting.

Yeah. I'll have to drop in and see those guys. It's phenomenal. I mean, like I said, GSP trained up there. A lot of fighters trained up there.

And he also had a great working relationship with a lot of people in America. So he would come down and, you know, they would exchange fighters back and forth and train with each other. Yeah. Well, we have a great martial arts tradition in Canada. I don't know if you know Mike Miles.

“He brought Moitai from Thailand to Calgary, like back in seven in the 70s or 80s.”

And he still got a great gym there. And, you know, who Johnny Feterios? Yes. He's a buddy of mine. Oh, really?

From Ottawa. Yeah. Oh, no kidding. Yeah. He was a hero of mine when I was a kid.

Yeah. He's incredible. When I was kickboxing, he was like my idol. Really? Yeah.

Does he know that? I never talked to him. Oh, well, he's going to see both of his book. Yeah. How about his book?

I started running stairs because of his book. Because I talked about, I would increase his leg muscles and his kicking power. I remember that. He was in one of his documentaries or something. He said his kicks weren't strong enough.

So he would do stairs. But I went and trained in his dojo a few times. It's in South Ottawa. He was incredible. He was one of the truly elite kickboxers of his time.

He was a great boxer.

Like I know he never competed as a boxer.

But his hands were fantastic. Well, that's really what separated him from a lot of other people. It was like his accuracy. It is technique was pristine. He told me that he would spend hours studying the distances that your limbs would have to travel, depending on how you moved.

He was kind of like a scientist in the way he learned and studied. And he was all about simplicity and removing anything unnecessary. I think Bruce Lee said that. He said simplicity hack away at the unnecessary. And you know, how do you, what's the shortest distance to hit the strike?

And he's got a great, he's a really good heart to, you know, he had. He has a jujitsu club as well. And when I went in there, there was a blind fellow who was into jujitsu, which you can do is blind person because it's so much about feel. But with COVID, he couldn't do jujitsu anymore. This allowed that kind of close contact.

So he actually found a way to train this guy with focus meds, even though he was blind.

It was really incredible.

Oh wow. Yeah, it was just, but it was incredible not a patience. He had invested in making sure this, this young man could keep doing his physical activity throughout COVID. Wait a minute. So the allowed padwork, but they didn't allow jujitsu.

I don't know if it was a government policy. Oh, it was just a, it was a policy at the gym because you know, you're just so wrapped up. I think I'll lead you guys. The gyms in America, everybody just just kept going, kept going. They had, they would like put foil over the windows and like hide or come in through the back door.

“A lot of the gyms in LA, that's what they did.”

They just plowed ahead. This figured out a way to not get in trouble and write. And some people did get caught and get in trouble and nothing ever came of it because it's pretty unconstitutional to tell people that they can't work out together. Like the government really didn't have the right to tell people that they couldn't do what they wanted to do. That was a legal thing that you can do.

Like all of a sudden there's this mandate. There's this law or rule being passed down or at least it's being promoted that you're not allowed to go to a gym and work out with other people. Like, but those are the healthiest people. Those are the people that are at least likely to get sick. Like this, this is crazy to say and you know if you're sick and if you just have a good gym with good people say, "Hey, don't show up if you're sick, everybody should be okay."

Because the people you should worry about the least. We need to have common sense again. And too many governments in the Western world have gone way too bossy. That just looking for every excuse to boss people around. And that's what we have to push back again.

You know, EV mandates or excessive control of the internet or the massive increase in the cost of government which is really like appropriating the private voluntary economy into the coercive government economy. That's we're seeing across Europe and the UK, parts of the United States as well as back home. So we need to reverse that trend and get people back in charge of their lives.

Well, the narrative has always been that rights lost are never regained or are very, very difficult to regain them.

So how could you reverse that? Well, you have to keep fighting.

Which rights did you regain?

“Well, the all the mandates are gone now.”

Of course, but those were ridiculous anyway. Yeah, we're ridiculous, but. And they also repeated business. They ruin people's lives, social lives.

But freedom has always had to be taken.

Let you go. Our tradition goes back to to 1215 with the Magna Carta, the great charter. And most of the freedoms we have today were in that original document. Right to a jury trial, no arrest without charge, no confiscation without compensation, no taxation without representation. All comes from that one document, the Magna Carta.

And it was because King John was taken aside by the barrens and they said, listen, pal, this is the choice. Either you sign this and follow it or we overthrow you. And as a result, we got the Magna Carta. And all of when you guys had your Boston Tea Party and said, you can't tax our tea because we don't elect you. That was an appeal as English.

You were Englishman saying, I'm not we're Englishman. We have the right not to be taxed unless we vote for it. And we're going to throw you out otherwise. But that came out of the fields of running meat in England in 1215.

So it's a long march towards freedom and it's never actually done.

Like there's no permanent victories or defeats. You just have to keep going forward. So if you were elected, let's say you get in right now. What's one of the first things you would do? I would unblock our resources.

So we have the most resources of any country in the world. Per capita, bar none. We need to have to make it happen though. We need to have the fastest permits anywhere in the world. And the lowest taxes on producing those resources.

We're the fourth in oil. The number number one in uranium. Number one in potash for fertilizer. We have the fifth biggest supplier of natural gas. We have the longest oceanic coastline.

Like we have 12 of NATO's -- sorry, we have 10 of 12 of NATO's defined defense minerals. So you know you have that guy, Palmer lucky on. I don't think he can make it stuff without Canadian minerals. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe he'll correct me.

“But like night vision technology, you need to have -- you need to have germanium for that.”

You need to have Gailium to make semi-conductors and radar. You need to have aluminum for armored vehicles and airplanes. You need cobalt for heat resistant alloys and fighter jets. You need tungsten for body -- sorry, armor piercing ammunition. We have it all.

And what I want to do is unblock those resources. Produce them in abundance for ourselves and our allies. Make $200,000 paychecks for our trade workers. Build up an enormous strategic stock pile of it. So that we have tons of leverage in international relations.

And if God forbid, there is ever a global conflict. We would have all the resources necessary to win it. But we need to pass -- we need to get rid of a lot of laws that are blocking. And replace them with laws that have fast permitting so that we can produce this stuff on scale very quickly. So is the concern the environmental impact of extracting these things?

Is that what's holding it up? That is the -- that's the ostensible reason. But I just think across Western -- the Western world, like Europe, UK, parts of the U.S. And Canada, there's a problem with bureaucracy just growing way too damn big. Like, you know, the first nations in our country are incredibly forward-looking.

The squamish built 6,000 units of housing on 10 acres of land. You can believe it in a town, in a city of Vancouver, where it's very hard to get a permit to do anything, because it was there land. So they did it. They're trying to build -- they're building now an LNG liquefaction plant where they replaced an old 30 mills.

They cleaned it up and put an LNG plant there. But the federal government took a lot of time, 14 years, to give them a permit. So we need to think like they're thinking, which is entrepreneurial, speed of business, get it done quickly. That's how you develop. Like, we have this community in my district.

It's called Hardestie 600 people.

They manage 100 billion dollars of oil in a town of 600 people.

Why is it there? Because their municipality offers a permit in one week with one page. And I wanted to tell this story. So I called them and I said, "Can I have someone come and do a video with me?" And they said, "We don't have anyone here."

We don't have like bureaucrats so they can help you. They're all out on their farms right now. They come in and they stamp the permit and they go back to their farm.

“Well, that's why we have a hundred billion dollars of energy moving through the area,”

which is bigger than the GDP of many countries because they have fast permits. And that's what we need in Canada. We need to be the fastest place to get things done. But don't you think you need some safeguards to protect the environment?

Protect it quickly.

We can figure out what whether a project is damaging to the environment in weeks and months rather than decades.

Like there's nothing you're going to learn in your 14 of the review that you couldn't have learned in month 14. So there's ways to protect the environment. When the Germans had to break their dependence on Russia after it invaded Ukraine. They approved an LNG import terminal in 60 days. They completed the whole damn thing in less than 200 days.

And guess what? No environmental problems. They got their engineers to sit down and figure out how to do it quickly. And that's the mentality that we need to get in Canada.

“So what would you be able to do to bypass all this bureaucracy?”

How could that be done legally? Well, you slim it down to one project, one environmental review. Instead of 20 or 30, you have a fixed timeline that the bureaucrats have to give an answer of six months, rather than just as long as they want to drag it on for. And the other thing I would do is study areas where they're perfectly situated to have a project like a pipeline or a mine or an LNG export terminal or a port expansion.

And I would pre-permit it. I would say to our officials go in and study, make sure that the environmental aspects are all in good order. I'll issue a pre-permit and then anybody who comes along and wants to build it as long as they follow the terms and act responsibly has a guaranteed permit before they even apply for it. And that I think we would have a roaring economy if we did that. That sounds awesome.

But the great fear is that if you do have an impact on the environment that impact is often permanent and then it's devastating. And I've seen some of the oil extraction that they've done up in Alberta where you look at the area. It looks like like scorched earth. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no.

No, no, no, no. Most responsible oil extraction in the world. But when you see these, what is that one area that often gets criticized for? Is that what it is? Yeah, they're open pit mines.

You open pit mines.

“That's what you take out the, you take out the bitumen.”

You subtract, you separate the sand from the oil. You make it less viscous by putting diluent in it and you ship it off. And then after the oil is after the mining is done, they resurface it. And you wouldn't even know there was a mine there. And there's no impact to groundwater, no impact to the environment.

I mean, there's an impact no matter what you do, but at the end of the day, the people who live there are very healthy and very happy. And they're the strongest supporters of the expansion of the oil sands.

It's an incredible economic, it's incredible.

Oh, it's incredible. It's the best resource in the world. So it's like, there's no decline rate. You guys have shale here. But, you know, as the years go by, you get less and less out of a shale reservoir.

We have very little big decline. We can keep producing and producing. We have what's called the insidium where there's an entire oil sands operation under your feet. You could be out in a forest hunting and you wouldn't even know that under your feet they're extracting it through a whole system of pipes where they inject. Just steam steam vapor.

That loosens up the oil. It sinks down. It goes into another pipe comes up to the top. And you can have beautiful, pristine nature, the bears, the deer, the bird. They don't even know that there's extraction happening under their feet.

So we have the best industry, the most responsible industry anywhere in the world. It's been a really disgusting PR campaign by extremist environmentalists. And frankly, some of our competitors to try and make our industry look bad. But it's the best industry in the world. Yeah, they got me.

Yeah, I saw some videos on it.

“I was like, oh my god, what are they doing to the ground?”

Now we're doing to the earth. It looks horrible. There, it's all bullshit. We have the looks horrible. Yeah, but I mean, that's just a superficial look at it.

You all take you for a tour in the oil sense. You'll be amazed. We have the best engineers in the world. And by the way, the first nations people absolutely love it, because it's lifting their people out of poverty. They're getting enormous job opportunities out of it.

One of our MPs is a former chief that where they took 18% unemployment, brought it down to three balanced their budget. Another one of my members of Parliament in Northern British Columbia,

and negotiate a $40 billion LNG plant on his on the highest let territory.

It's completely eliminating poverty for the first nations there. And by exporting clean Canadian natural gas, which we can liquefy 25% cheaper, because it's cold as hell in Canada. They actually displaced dirty coal overseas, so instead of Asia burning coal, they're burning clean Canadian gas that's delivered by First Nations partnerships.

So this is the best way to do it. Makes everybody richer and makes our entire continent better off. It would seem so simple the way you're laying it out. I don't understand why this has been implemented. Yeah, this is the story of my life.

It's frustrating. Is it that simple? Is it really that this is what's holding everything up? The bureaucracy and the time it takes for permits.

We have the same thing in housing, and so do you. If you look at California's California's Terrible. Why is there such a housing shortage in California? It's because it takes forever to get a permit.

And there's always bureaucracy standing in the way.

And it totally screws over the working class youth who can't find a place to live, because they're not being built. And we have that challenging Canada as well.

“So that's why proposed ideas to cut the bureaucracy and the taxes,”

so that we can build affordable homes for our youth. Because right now we have a whole generation that can't afford homes. And that was one of the biggest issues I ran on. Home ownership is necessary for family formation, for civil peace and society where everybody feels like they have a piece of the pie.

We need to expand home ownership. But to do that, you've got to get the government gatekeepers out of the way. Speed up the permits, free up the land, cut the development taxes. So let's assume that you got an office. How much time would it take to start implementing these things?

And how quickly would that impact be felt by the Canadian people? Look, I think a lot of them can move very quickly. There are a lot of projects that investors are sitting on, but they don't have certainty and permits. So I would unblock that and I think in the first year you would start to see immediate benefits

for the working people who would be getting these jobs. Some of it would take more and more like a medium term. Like the second thing I would go after is just the inflationary spending, which is a big problem all over the Western world. Like people just can't afford to live.

I don't know if you do you encounter that around here. Oh yeah, I mean, inflation is crazy. So it's the national debt in America just went up to 39 trillion. Right, which is bigger than your GDP. That's a lot of money.

So explain this to me. Fifty years ago, a barber and a barber in a waitress could buy a house. With a big yard for a dog and raised four kids, meat and potatoes on the dinner table every night.

“And now an accountant and a lawyer can't do that. Why is that?”

Well, there's a lot of spending. Yeah, and a lot of making money, a lot of just cash. Turning, you know, just making dollar bills with nothing behind it, nothing to back it. This is the biggest fraud perpetrated on the working class people in the last 100 years. Printing money is just insane.

The idea is just print more money. It's like, and people go, okay. Well, it looks painless at first, but if you have an economy with ten apples and ten dollars, it's a buck and apple. You double the number of dollars to 20.

But you still only have ten apples. Well, all of a sudden it's two bucks and apple. It's not that the cost of apples has gone up. It's still cost the same resources to grow the and pick the apples. It's that the price has gone up because the value of the money has gone down.

Right.

So in America, over the last 55 years, you've doubled the number of homes in America from about 70 million to 150 million.

“You know how much the money supply has grown?”

30 times. So you have twice the homes, but 30 times the cash. So what's happened? Housing costs have gone up 15 fold and 55 years. And now an entire generation of kids can't afford homes.

We have exactly the same problem in Canada. This is the biggest wealth transfer from the working class to the elites from I say the have nots to the have yachts. And Washington and World Wall Street love it, by the way, because it inflates the stock market inflates the bureaucracy. Politicians get to spend CEOs get their stocks inflated. But it destroys the working people and we need to get back to hard money.

Everything should be getting cheaper, by the way. You know what takes 60 to 80 percent less resources to grow food. We grow four times the food on the same acre, get the four times as much a milk from the same cow.

We use 80 percent less water and fertilizer.

So why isn't it that food is not less expensive? It's because all of those gains are being erased by monetary inflation. So it's not that food is more costly. It's that the value the money we used to buy it has less purchasing power. And we need to do what the Swiss do, which is they don't print money.

They have balanced budgets, they're almost no deficit. And they have almost zero inflation in Switzerland. They have the strongest money in the world, the Swiss Frank. And we would all be better if we operate like the Swiss when it comes to our money. So in a real world scenario, site, you take over Canada.

How would you go about implementing this? You've got to cut bureaucracy, consultants, which consume, by the way, 26 billion dollars of spending. How big is your debt in Canada? 1.3 trillion. Oh, it's a baby debt.

It's compared to you guys. We're ridiculous. Wow. But you've gotten away with it because the dollar, the American dollar is the reserve currency.

Better hope that doesn't change. Yeah, better hope. And we don't have that luxury. And so, but we do have a lot of debt and we have a lot. We have provinces too.

They're quite indebted. But I would cut the bureaucracy. I would cut consultants. Foreign aid. I'd cut way back on foreign aid.

We give a corporate welfare. These checks, the corporations.

“I believe business should make money rather than take money.”

So I would get rid of that. We're giving a lot of money to fake, fake refugees. People who come in and don't actually. They're not actually fleeing danger. Like, I love real refugees. My wife was a refugee, but I have no time for people who are pretending.

But they're not really. And what do you mean by pretending to be a refugee? How are they doing this? They're not actually endangered in their home country. So they've come to be declared themselves as students.

And then wanting to stay declaring a refugee status. Oh, and this is common. Yeah, it just happens. It happens. And they just want to have a better life.

So I don't, I don't begrudge them as people. You can't, we can't spend money on social service, and hats, social services, advanced programs that we as Canadians don't get for people who are not paying in. So you're not opposed to them being there. You're opposed to them getting. Well, I'm opposed to them.

If, if they're not real refugees, they shouldn't be brought in as refugees.

“I think we have to distinguish between those people who are actually in danger in their home country,”

which is the definition of a refugee. And someone who just wants to come in an excess of their proper image. Is this that common that it's actually affecting your economy? Right now, it's a challenge because we had a big number of international students in temporary foreign workers that came in in very large numbers.

In like two or three years, we were bringing in about a million people a year,

which in America's terms would be 10 million, like just if you're doing per capita. And it really caused a housing shortage, like some places where you have 26 of these students living in one basement. So we're trying to unwind that now. And how, how do you do that? Well, when they're work permit and their visitor visa runs out, then we have to encourage them to head back, lawfully.

Right, but you don't want to do it, I style. No, now I don't think we need to do that. I just think we have to be orderly and lawful about it. And is that supported by the Canadian people? Yes, because we're a very welcoming country. We're a nation of immigrants, but we're also a nation of laws. And we, there's a general consensus like across the spectrum in Canada that the population growth was too fast for like four or five years.

And so we're trying to unwind that now. What are the other things that you would have to do to drop your debt and sort of balance your budget and begin to turn things around? Well, in addition, so I, I like this idea that actually believe it or not, the Clinton that Bill Clinton and the Republicans did in the 90s in the US. It was called the pay-go law and very simple principle. Every time the administration wanted to bring in a new dollar of spending, they had to match it with a dollar of savings.

So there was no extra net spending for like eight years. And that's when your government balanced this budget and paid off $400 billion of debt. That law lapsed in 2002 and immediately after that America went back into deficits. And you have an emerge, you've been in deficit now for 25 years. This is about internalizing the scarcity.

Every creature in the universe, every bird in the trees, every fish in the seas, has to live with scarcity. Maximizing use of scarce resources. The only creature who doesn't do that is the politician.

Because he's always using someone else's money.

Right. It's like, oh, wow, just print it or borrow it. Or tax it. It's not my money. And so they routinely show up to their cabinet meetings and say, well, I've got a new idea.

It's a hundred million dollars. Where are you going to get it? I don't know. We'll print it. We'll borrow it.

We'll tax it. Not my money. But if you had a law saying you can't actually bring up your proposal to the cabinet unless you have matching savings to pay for it. Well, then you'd have these politicians walking up and down the hallways and their departments looking for waste and like rooting it out. So instead of making the single mom, the senior or the small business owner live with scarcity,

I want the politicians and bureaucrats to live with scarcity.

“And that's what I would impose by law on my government.”

Well, it's just a rational way to deal with the problem. Like, don't spend money unless you could save money. Exactly. That's how your balance thinks out. I mean, Clinton did balance the budget.

He did during his time and people forget that because we've always assumed that there's always been this extraordinary debt,

but that's not the case. They're the 1990s. I mean, he did a fantastic job at that. Yeah. I mean, it was the Congress was very disciplined as well.

"We're not tolerating these deficits anymore." And they imposed scarcity from the center. And by the way, the economy boomed because the government was restrained. And the free market economy could just roar. And that's another part of the equation, by the way,

is unlock the power of free enterprise. Like, this is the 250th anniversary, not just of the Declaration of Independence, but also of Adam Smith's wealth of nations, where he basically, for the first time in a human history,

described the free market system. And that was starting to flourish in the states and in parts of Europe. And that system basically started to come into place after, you know, the late 1770s. The growth since the free market system has came

and come into place in the world has been two hundred times faster than it was before.

Because there's the most powerful system for generating material benefit for the people.

“And that's what we need to restore in Canada.”

I want to make it the freeest economy in the world. Well, that all sounds amazing. How the hell did you lose? [laughter] How can a rational person vote for that?

I mean, you're not saying anything that's restrictive, you're not saying anything that is in any way infringing on people's rights or liberties, or it just sounds like it's just a hundred percent positive for Canada. That's what I think.

That's my mission. And I think it will be positive. And I will get there, you know, Canadians do things through evolution, not revolution. So I'm just going to keep pushing my ideas.

And I think that I think overwhelmingly will win the next election. Well, it sounds like I just can't see how someone would listen to what you're saying. And say, I find fault in this. Other than like the potential environmental impact of extracting resources, I could see how a lot of the greenies would get like really upset

and get their panties in a bunch about that. And be very incredulous to the idea that you're going to protect the environment while you're extracting all these resources.

“But if you could lay it all out and also lay out this enormous economic impact”

and how it would uplift in poverty communities, how it would completely change the economic landscape of the country. It just only makes sense. That's why I'm baffled. Well, listen, the people render their judgment.

But I mean, it's a have to do a better job of... What were the criticisms of you? Like, what did your opponents say that like, that resonated with people? What were they trying to say?

It was funny because they all disagreed with my ideas. And they said these are all very scary ideas. Scary. And then they say...

First of all, they said they said that I had no policies.

Then they said they're scary policies. And then they stole my policies, right before the election. But hey, listen, if the government that's empowered now steals all my ideas, it does the things I want to do, then I've won. That's why I came here.

I didn't just do it so that I could have my name on the door. So I keep saying to the Prime Minister, steal my ideas. Right. But he doesn't want to. Well, he...

I won't criticize him in foreign soil. I will. But... Good for you. Yeah.

I mean, we have a mutual return. That's such an alien thing to do. That is a very... Yeah. The joke was so polite.

“You know, that's what I'm saying about Canadians.”

They're so polite. It's funny, your security guy was talking about the Canadian standoff of, you know, when you get to a door, you go first. No, you go first. You go first.

You can stay there all day. Actually, look this up the other day. Ontario actually has an apology act.

It's a law that defines the apology because we always say sorry in Canada.

So they wanted to clarify that sorry is not a legal admission of guilt. So like, if we get into a car accident, I say, "How a sorry man." It's terrible. Your bumper doesn't mean that I'm guilty. Oh, it's actually a law.

It's so polite. So many apologies. So many apologies. You know what? You say sorry.

That's funny. That's so Canadian. Well, you know, the great thing about Canada is we've always sorted our shit out peacefully. Like the, the, the Protestants and Catholics taught each other's eyeballs out in Europe for like hundreds of years. And then we came to Canada and just got along.

And, and that's the great thing about Canada is like you can come, you know, Muslims and Jews, Christians, and sorry, Protestants and Catholics, Hindus and Sikhs. They come to Canada and they just get along. They live on the same streets. Eventually, we all start intermarrying and it's a great thing about Canada.

Well, it really is a great melting pot. Yeah. Yeah. And, and like folks get to keep their, their cultures like at the same time as blending into the Canadian identity. Like my, my wife's from Venezuela.

And so like, you know, oftentimes I, like I'm, I'm in the house. And there's like 16 Latinos and they're all speaking Spanish. I have no idea what the hell is going on. And they have this food. It's called a jackass.

And I said, they don't, they start cooking this stuff. I thought my, I said it. I said, I'm like, did your mom just call me a jackass?

I don't speak any Spanish.

But it's probably learned. I should now. You're happening your house. It's a great, my kids are starting to learn Spanish. So I'm going to be outnumbered.

Yeah, you better learn it. Yeah. Yeah. Bye. Um, so what else is an issue in Canada that you would like to fix?

Um, we have to, we have to. I'm going to, I'm going to allergy. I'm dealing with. We, we got to toughen up our justice system. Um, we, it got way too soft.

And, um, it's wrong in your justice system. Basically bail. Um, I mean, we all believe in the basic principle that you're in as until approved proven guilty, but if someone's convicted, as have like 150 prior convictions and they're newly arrested on their latest crime.

Yeah. I don't think we should be releasing them onto the streets. And, uh, so we got two lacks on bail.

“So there's now a consensus in Canada that you should have severe restrictions on repeat offenders.”

Like in Vancouver, they had to arrest the same 40 guys 6,000 times in one year. 40 guys 6,000 arrests.

So they're basically being released within hours of their latest arrest.

So we're, we're, we now brought a built up by partisan, a multi-partisan consensus to fix that. And, uh, we're pushing to toughen the bail system. Um, and ensure that, you know, it's the repeat offenders of tiny group. We don't have a lot of criminals in Canada, but they do a tremendous amount of crime. So if you take them off the street, you put them in prison.

You can basically reduce the crime rate dramatically. Well, we probably have more crime percentage wise in America, but it's still a small percentage of the population that commits the crime. Yeah. But it's the same issue.

Like in New York City, it's extraordinary. There's a lot of people that are repeat offenders. Yeah. And they just let them go. And California, no cash bill, let them go.

It's like, it is bananas. And it doesn't make any sense. And it doesn't make anybody help. I understand you want to be empathetic. And I understand these narratives that the prison system is racist,

and the justice system is racist, and these people never been given a great shake in life.

“Well, if you want to fix that, start in these,”

and publish neighborhoods, establish community centers, establish better education, fund that, but don't let hardened criminals back on the street. Exactly. They're habitual. But if you've been arrested 40, 50 times, it doesn't seem like you're getting any better.

So whatever rehabilitation process they have going on there, that's not working. So keep doing the same thing over and over again, unless you like crime, I don't understand why you would do that. This has been, you know, it's imposed by the so called experts. They tell, oh, we've done all these studies that show that the soft on crime policies work,

but everywhere it's been, it's been tried. It's been an absolute disaster anywhere in the Western world. We have a town called Pentecton. There's one guy who the police can tell by looking at the crime rate, whether he's been in jail or not.

Oh, he comes out of jail. The crime rate for the entire town actually coats that so crazy. But you just keep him in prison. That seems so simple to solve. There's so many of these problems with government that it's just like rational thinking.

Exactly. One of, one of the great interviews that I love about you, you're eating an apple.

“And you were talking to this guy who is being completely ridiculous.”

You were asking him to define the issues that he had. And it was so funny. It was like, this is what happens when a rational person meets a person with empty narratives. It was such a weird moment because you just kept eating that apple. It was such a good apple.

It was so good. That's the thing. And the thing is, I didn't even realize I was being taped. I thought it was a print interview. Oh, that's hilarious.

That's why I think I was so relaxed. But, so I'm in the most beautiful place in the world. If you have a minute of the Okinawa and it's unbelievable. Like it's lakes, it's mountains, it's nice dry weather. And there's orchards and vineyards there like you'd love it.

And so I'm in an apple orchard and I'm walking around just talking with people. And my staff says this reporter wants to do an interview. And I'm enjoying the apple. He comes up and starts asking questions. Nobody was there.

I thought this was a moment. Like we thought nothing of it. We dumped the whole thing. My staff unbeknownst to me was recording my whole walk. We dumped this 50 minute video on the internet.

No one noticed it. And like three weeks later, my phone blows up. And people say, hey, how about that apple? What is it? What are they talking about?

This apple thing. And then within three days, everybody's talking to me about this damn apple. But I had almost forgotten about eating. Well, we were that conversation sort of embodied this issue. It really did.

Because you have rational thinking and empty narratives colliding, while you're eating an apple. Like you're so casual about it. You're actually eating an apple, which was so perfect. I mean, you couldn't.

If you planned on, like if you had a PR team, I think you should be eating an apple. They don't like it.

He's eating fruit. It's healthy. You know? Totally coincidence.

I don't know where not planned.

And not even noticed. Like I said, no one there thought this was going to be a moment. We just like totally forgot about it. Well, it made it about America.

“But by real in America, and we were like, how come that guy's not the prime minister?”

Well, that hell's going on. Well, in the meantime, you can buy an brosio apples from the South Okinawa. And I'm really plugging a lot of sales for the Canadian economy. Today. You know what?

I found out about Canadian maple syrup. What's that? It is actually a superfood, and it is actually better for you than honey. Is that right? Yeah.

It contains a bunch of polyphenols and a bunch of healthy nutrients. That was not maple syrup, but just a guilty pleasure. You poured on pancakes. No. It's a terrible thing.

Really good for you. So you take it before your workout? No. No. I just watched a Instagram video yesterday.

Somebody said it to me. And I was like, what is this? We'll have to send you a bunch of maple syrup from Canada. We actually have a maple syrup reserve in Canada. Like a reserve of excess stockpile.

Like oil reserve? Well, we don't have an oil reserve. This is something I want to change. I want to have an oil reserve.

“But I also want to keep the maple syrup reserve because we're Canadians after all.”

There's nothing more Canadian than that. Well, it's so delicious. I can't believe it's good for you. Make sure that's true. I mean, in what way is it true?

Are there nutrients? Let's put it into perspective. Our sponsor.

I compared it first, honey.

I'll give you what it should. Well, it's not saying it's better. Maple syrup and honey are both sugary. But maple syrup is slightly lower in calories. Glicy McIndex has more minerals like magnesium,

magnesium, magnesium, and calcium. Well, honey is a bit higher in calories as a slightly stronger impact on blood sugar. Well, this guy on Instagram was very convincing. I wish I saved it. I think it's convincing.

I think you should go with it. I'm done stick with it. Taste better, too. Yeah, it's the best. It's fantastic.

Put that with a little bit of Greek yogurt. You're protein. Yeah. That's what I do. Greek yogurt.

And maple syrup. Absolutely. Maybe I'm starting to trend. Because everybody uses honey on their yogurt. No, maple syrup from Canada.

It's not from Canada. It's not the real thing. Well, there's a lot of fake syrup, right? There's a lot of junk syrup there. When you go to a pancake house and they have that stuff in the little plastic cups.

That's a great crap. Yeah, you don't want to have that's manufactured crap. Well, that's the case with honey as well. I had a woman in here once. It was a beekeeper.

And she's explaining to us that a lot of honey is not actually honey. They water it down with a corn syrup. There's just shit in our food these days. Yes. I believe in eating clean.

100%. Well, that was one of the primary factors for me. Supporting this administration was RFK Jr. And this make America healthy again initiative.

“Because I think, you know, I had my friend break embular yesterday from ways to well on.”

And, you know, we hammered this many times over and over again. But people need to hear it. We spend more money on healthcare and we're sicker than we've ever been before. And we have more chronic illness and we have more money. None of it makes any sense.

It's completely ridiculous. And it's obvious that people are eating the wrong things. And there was so much outrage of him implementing all these healthy choices and trying to get rid of dyes that are illegal in Canada. Like the same cereals that the same factory sells in Canada. They sell with natural dyes.

And in America, we demand them to be more colorful. So we put poison in them. Really? Yeah. Is that, you know, what are the, what do you think are the dietary habits that are making people in the West.

People in the Western world sick right now? Like is it the dyes? Is it the sugars? Is it the carbs? What's getting people?

There's a lot of things.

First of all, it's processed foods.

Process foods is an enormous percentage of a lot of American diets. Things with massive amounts of preservatives in them. And that's, like if you want, like a general guideline, eat real food. Eat real eggs, real vegetables, real meat, real fish. You'll be healthier.

Yeah. As soon as you start having things that can sit on a shelf forever. Except things like rice and, you know, normal beans. Like things that are dried that makes sense. They could sit there.

But if something can just sit on a shelf for a long period of time and you consume it, how is it just not rotting? Exactly. I'm sure you've seen where they've taken a McDonald's Big Mac and they've just let it sit. Take a cheeseburger in a box and they got pulls it out like 10 years later.

It looks exactly the same. That's not food. The bacteria didn't want to eat it. They looked at it and they were like, "I'm not eating that." The bacteria doesn't eat it.

Mold doesn't eat it. That's crazy. Why are you eating it? Like there's something in it preventing the mold from growing. What is that?

Well, that stuff sucks with your gut bacteria. It's terrible for your body. And empty calories. And we consume an enormous amount of process food in this country.

Real meat. Is that simple?

That would fix 90% of our problems when it comes to people's diets.

When my wife once looked at some of the baby formula we had and she said she looked on it. There's no expiry date on this. This never goes bad. That's crazy. That can't be a good thing.

Right.

“It means while breast milk you have to freeze.”

Exactly. Yeah. And then what about on the fitness side? What do you think we can do? I mean, beyond you've done a lot just talking about it.

With your the size of your audience, you've probably got a lot of people off the coach. But what policies do you think we could push that would get people physically active working out moving again? Well, the real important thing is community. The easiest way to get fit is to get around a bunch of other people that are also involved in the same endeavor. Right.

If you have a bunch of friends that are unhappy with the way their life is like, just go walk together.

Hey, hey guys, let's all go for a walk after dinner together. Right. So I'll decide like as a neighborhood to go walk. Just walk for a half an hour after your meals. It'll lower your glycemic index.

It'll change your body. It'll make you healthier. You'll feel better. Right. It just does so much for you.

Just movement and activity.

“And if you're involved with a group of people that are also inclined in the same direction.”

They're also trying to get better trying to get fit. You kind of, you know, you feed off of your atmosphere. Right. People imitate the people that are around them. And you get support from the people that are around them.

You know, make it a little healthy competition. You know, who can, you know, do the most exercise and who can do the most, you know, whatever it is. Like whether it's a sport or whether it's a game or whether it's just something that you enjoy doing that's physically, physically taxing slightly. It doesn't have to be a crazy kettlebell workout or a jiu-jitsu class. Just take a walk.

Just take a walk. Just if the world, if the United States or Canada or anybody that's got problems with their health, just decided to start walking every day for 20 minutes. You'll change your life. Absolutely.

And then add things to it. Add some body weight squats. Add some pushups. Skip a little rope. Do something.

Take a yoga class. It'll change your life. Right. Just a little. You need activity.

The human body has needs. And when it doesn't, those needs are not met and you don't, your biological requirements aren't met. You get developing anxiety. You get overweight. Your muscles atrophy.

Your bone density decreases. You can't open up a jar anymore. There's all these problems that could be solved with just simple movement and activity. You don't have to become a fitness nut. You have to become a gym rat.

You just do something at that alone and then change what you eat. Drink more water. Stop drinking soda. Stop drinking so much alcohol. Stop eating processed food.

If we just slowly but surely get this in people's heads. For the longest time, people didn't think there was anything wrong with eating processed food. They didn't think there was anything wrong. They thought sugar just gave you extra calories. They didn't realize the catastrophic health consequences of consuming all this sugar.

The increase in type 2 diabetes. All these problems that are people are having, the people are having because of poor diets. So what's your theory though on how that happened? Why did that happen? What caused millions of people to shift their diets away from good, wholesome, real food towards the process garbage?

Well, first of all, marketing. And availability.

“They always say the center of the grocery store is what you should avoid.”

Because the center is all the stuff that doesn't need to be refrigerated. Everything in the outskirts, all the vegetables and the fruits and the meats and the milk, that's all the stuff that's healthy. Because it has to be refrigerated. Because if it's not it goes bad. Things that can just sit on a shelf.

But things that sit on a shelf forever. Those are the things that are the easiest profit from. Because you don't have to worry about storage. But refrigeration when you're processing or when you're moving them and transporting them.

You know, just education is the most important thing.

Because there's a lot of people that don't know how much they're diet impacts them. And then there's also the problems that happen in this country where the sugar industry, literally bribe scientists, the past the blame on saturated fat. And pretend that this was the cause of all these heart issues that people were having. And all the obesity that it was just fat.

So then people started eating all these seed oil rich foods like mayonnaise. Or excuse me, like margarine and corn oil and canola oil. When it's better just to have talo or butter. Yes, it's natural food. Your body knows what to do with it.

Beef is like a superfood. A nice fatty piece of beef, best thing you can eat.

You've got an iron. You've got fat. You've got protein and creatine. It's all packed in that one superfood. It is.

“And people, there's a lot of people that live very healthy off a carnivore diet.”

And that astounds people. They don't understand it because they've been pushed into this idea. Well, one of the things they did in America that's great is the reverse food pyramid. Our food pyramid was all grains at the bottom. It was all wheat and grains, which is like there's nothing wrong with eating that.

As long as you're being smart about it, you don't eat too much of it. But if that's your primary diet, like guess what? Your insulin's going to spike. You're going to be hungry all the time. You're going to get fat.

This is so good. You look good, deep.

When I cut the carbs out and I went basically into katosis, I felt great because instead

of having all the ups and downs, when my blood sugar was down, when you're in katosis, you basically live off your fat stores. Yes. You have a consistent flow of energy whenever you need it. I've got some hair.

And so I feel lighter. I have to sleep less now. I don't have to sleep as much because I don't eat the big heavy carbs. I cheat once in a while. But the big heavy carbs that your body breaks down, you've got to sleep more to work through

all those heavy carbs. I have to feel it when you eat them. I love carbs. Don't get me wrong. I love Italian.

I love spaghetti. I love pizza. I love Italian subs. I love them. But I eat them sparingly.

Absolutely. When I eat them, I feel it. I feel it.

It's amazing while you're eating it.

And then you're like, oh, yeah. I didn't hear what the tranquilizer dart. It's just not good. It's not good for you. If I eat a steak, I feel great.

If I eat a steak, I don't feel, I don't feel in any way tired after I'm done. I don't feel exhausted. Like completely full. Also, they have a high satiety rate. Like if you eat just steak, you're only going to eat what you need.

Like this, your body knows when to stop. But if there's mashed potatoes next to this steak and spaghetti next to this steak and bread and all these other things, you're just going to keep eating. Exactly. And then cake and butter and ice cream and all this stuff, you're going to keep eating.

And you're going to consume excess calories. But beef is really expensive now. Like it's really hard to put a steak on your plate. These are the average guy. It's insane.

It's twice as expensive as pork in Canada right now. Well, there's also this dumb narrative that cows are responsible for climate change. Which is just absolutely insane. And whoever started promoting that needs to go to jail. Because you've done a terrible disservice to people.

Especially regenerative farming that's actually sequester carbon. Absolutely. And it's healthy for you. No, the ranchers in my area are fantastic.

They produce an incredible product.

We've got the North America as the smallest cattle herd since 1951 this year. That's nice. Very small herd.

“And that's why it's so hard to get beef.”

Why is that? I think there's been a demand spike in the last couple of years. Beef prices were low for long, so a lot of ranchers got out of it. I just said that we can't stay in this business, losing money every year. And then all of a sudden, prices started to go up.

And moods have changed a lot on beef even in the last three, four years. So now they're trying to keep up with the demand. But I'm happy to see the ranchers doing well. But I'm sure like to see middle-class families to be able to afford to have beef again. But my theory on one of the reasons why the marketing has shifted towards all this processed crap.

And this goes back to my obsession, which is inflation. Because instead of just raising the prices, they downgrade the quality of the food. They strip out the nutrients and they inject garbage into our food. The companies do that is ultimately less nutritious. But the price tag doesn't necessarily look like it's changing.

So it's one of the more insidious ways that the system is able to charge you, to pass inflationary costs on without you seeing it in that price tag that's underneath the product. It's also engineered food to be compulsive. Like you're more compulsive, is that right? Is that right?

Yeah, sure, especially like chips and stuff like that in America.

“What country do you think does nutrition the best around the world?”

That's a good question. Well, Japan has one of the lowest obesity rates, right? And when you look at Japanese food, like what is it? It's like fish and rice and vegetables. They don't use glyphosate, I don't think.

I think the way they process their wheat is very different than ours. You know, we have a higher glycine. We have higher gluten in our wheat. Because we have more complex gluten in our wheat, so we have higher yield. And then on top of that, they dry all the wheat out with glyphosate at the end,

which is fucking terrible for you. And they were trying to ban that in America, but then Trump passed an executive order stopping it.

Okay. And especially glyphosate, you know, used with wheat to dry it out. So it's not used as an herbicide. It's used to dry out the wheat at the end, so that it doesn't get moldy. Which is crazy.

You're spraying poison on wheat. And most Americans, if you test them, have glyphosate in their blood. You know, and the apologists will say, "Oh, but it's at safe levels." But we don't even really know what that means. You were talking about decades and decades of consuming this stuff.

That can't be good. I mean, it literally kills plants. It destroys gut bacteria. It can't be good. It would be better. When you eat overseas, like a vaiposta or bread in Italy, you feel better.

It doesn't kill you. Like it doesn't America. It doesn't, you know, get that same feeling. Interesting. I don't know anything about glyphosate. But one of the things I do.

Do you guys use glyphosate in Canada? I don't want to think about it. I feel bad saying that, but I should do my homework on that one. We have a corn that's engineered to survive glyphosate. We have round-up, ready corn.

So, so that you could spray glyphosate on the corn that kills all the other things that you don't want growing. Okay. But how can that be good? Most, like, they did a test of California wines.

And what was the number? It was, like, some preposterous number of California wines

“tested positive for glyphosate, like in the high 90s, I think.”

Okay. Which is just nuts. Yeah, I don't know anything about glyphosate. I have to admit. Well, it's, you've peaked my curiosity.

The problem is, in America, our food system

is entirely dependent on it at this point. Okay. They want to change it. And so there's a lot of strategies. One of them is, they have these machines

that use lasers, and these lasers go over a field that actually target the weeds. So instead of spraying poison on them, they just zap these weeds, and they can identify the difference between the weed and the crown.

Really? Yeah. That's incredible. Yeah. The wine was 10 out of 10 tested.

10 out of 10. I was looking at the Japanese obesity thing. They have an interesting law that they put in place in 2008

“where, I believe it says, workplaces have to measure”

people's waste of adults over 40 to find out if they're potentially overweight. Wow. Those people don't get fine. The companies get fine.

So they have to then provide them counseling, diet advice, exercise guidance. Wow. And they also use a lower BMI than we do. There's, there's, it starts at 25.

It says it's because they have a higher risk and Asian populations for obesity. Interesting. I wonder what that is. I wonder if that's because a lot of rise consumption

way lower, 4%, 4.46% compared to 42%. Wow. That's crazy. Their obesity rates are 4 to 6%. And we're 42.

42 is nuts. 42 is so crazy. I find out what the Japanese are doing. My next stop is got to be Tokyo. Yeah.

Well, they eat healthy food. But that does make sense. I mean, implementing something like that. It sounds very restrictive. I mean, I don't want to tell a guy you can't have a gut.

I have a lot of friends that are fat. I love them to death. I'd like them to be healthy. But I wouldn't, you know, I don't believe you should have that kind of control over people.

No.

“I think you should encourage healthy behavior.”

I don't think you should mandate it. Yeah. We need carrots, not sticks. Yeah. Carrots literally.

Literally. The system is like, you know, I think the opioid thing.

That's an incredible story, really.

That's a horrible story. That's a horrible story. And, you know, the fact that no one's going to jail for that is infuriating. They did. What they did and what the deception that they used to pretend that that stuff is not addictive,

that it's not the same as heroin, is just absolutely atrocious. And the fact that they got away with it and that the soccer family, just that one family. I don't know if you've ever seen the Netflix Docky drama series. Yeah. Was it called paying killer?

They're the guys from Purdue, right? Purdue, Pharma. Yeah. I think they were Purdue Pharma. Yes.

I mean, how many lives were destroyed by that? Well, half a million ended in the US. Yeah. And at least 50,000 in Canada. We lost more people in the last 10 years to opioid overdoses than we lost fighting in the second world war.

And that's so crazy. And we, you know, these companies, I mean, it started in the States.

We've Purdue and a number of others, where they basically started lying to the system.

And paying, they actually paid bonuses to distributors for every overdose they caused.

They were just on to doctors and pharmacists and the system.

“It's all came out in the court because there was a huge lawsuit.”

And the companies had to pay 50 billion dollars because of an American government lawsuit against them.

But they actually paid bonuses for overdose rates. That's true. It's insane. It's wild. And they basically, they were very, very strategic.

They said we're going to go to working class neighborhoods where there's huge unemployment. So you know, in the Ross Belt of America, where people were out of work. And they obviously had some minor industrial injuries. And said, you know, this will solve every ache and paying take oxycontin. And it felt great when they first started taking it.

And then it spread into Canada as well.

And then it mutated in from oxycontin into fentanyl, which is a hundred times more powerful than heroin.

It can stop your lungs in 15 seconds, just absolutely deadly. And we, you know, these companies, these dirt bag companies should be paying hundreds of billions of dollars to cover the treatment and recovery of the people whose lives have been ruined by this. Well, it's just insane that they only had to pay a percentage of the amount of money that they profited. And it isn't insane.

They should have gone to jail. They should have had to pay. First of all, give all the money back. Yeah, I mean, what you did was unbelievably evil, absolutely. And you were allowed to profit from it, which is crazy.

Or years. Even the sacchar family, the amount that they got fined was a small percentage of what they actually made. I don't know how people live with themselves when they do that. They're so super fast. But they basically got into the entire system, the health care system, the medical equipment community,

and they pushed these over prescriptions. And then they got this crazy idea that they pushed in places like Portland and Seattle and San Francisco. That the government should start giving out opioids that are safer than the ones that are on the street as an alternative to keep people from having contaminated drugs, which made the problem even worse, because the addicts would sell those to kids, so that they could buy the harder stuff off the street,

and it expanded it even more. And so one of the things we're focused on, my plan is massive treatment to recovery programs, to get people off drugs, abstinence based treatment is incredible. It gets very successful, and we're saving lives now in Canada. You get them in.

You get them counseling group therapy treatment of sweat lodges for first nations, people's physical exercise is a big part of it. I went to one treatment center in Saskatchewan, and they actually bought these rusted out weights, and they had the guys lifting weights, and the bureaucrats are saying, "Well, why are you spending money on weights? What does that have to do with it?"

“And he says, "Well, it's the best thing we had."”

These guys started to see their biceps grow. And they were like, "I want to look like this, and if I take drugs, I'm not going to look like this." So it was one of the best things they did. Then you get them into jobs and treatment, and there's one guy that I met in BC. He was going to kill himself. He drove his car into a brick wall, because he was so ruined by his addiction.

But he didn't die. He couldn't even pull it off. So he actually went into treatment, turned his life around, started a business. He's got six employees, and now he's going out on the street, and like helping, you know, pulling guys off the street and bringing them in and saving their lives. So it's actually a really hopeful ending to the story. If we can get to shift all our resources over to treatment and recovery services, which is one of my big objectives.

Are you aware of Ibogaine? No. So former Republican governor of Texas Rick Perry is involved in this Ibogaine initiative here in Texas. And one of the things that they found, you know, he works very closely with veterans, and, you know, obviously a lot of these guys, they come back from the war. They have PTSD, they have a lot of pain, they get addicted to pills, and then they have an incredibly difficult time getting off of it.

There's a treatment called Ibogaine, and Ibogaine comes from the abogatory. It's like a natural psychedelic that has no recreational use whatsoever. It's not fun. And it's apparently a brutal 24 hour experience, but it rewires the brain.

It stops the pathways of addiction, and just one Ibogaine treatment, one session, the amount of people that never go back to using those drugs is in the 80%.

Really? When they do two sessions, it's in the 90s. Wow. It's incredible. So they're implementing it here.

And Rick Perry, who was like a staunch anti drug hardline Republican guy, great guy.

“But I realized from talking to these veterans, maybe you have to have an open mind.”

And look at this, we have this blanket term that we use for drugs.

But this psychedelic, this Ibogaine, apparently it's like a 24 hour review of your life that in some way, some chemical way rewires your system and stops the pathways of addiction. It's like a factory reset. Yes. Wow. Yes.

That's crazy.

“And so they're starting to implement it here in Texas.”

And they're going to use it. So if they studied this, if they've done that. And they've done, is it approved? Like, is it treatment or what? Well, it's being approved here in Texas.

And they're trying to do it in other places. And I know a friend of mine, my friend, Ed Clay, he started a center down in Mexico. And the reason why he did it was because he got hooked on pills. He heard his back. He got hooked on pills.

He had to figure out how to get off of it. And he did one Ibogaine session. Got clean. Really? And it was like, I need to educate people and help people with this.

And we start this system. And it's very successful. I know multiple people that have done it. And especially veterans that have done it and had profound changes in their life because Amazing.

Yeah. And again, there's no recreational use for this. There's no chance of abusing it. Okay. It's not fun.

Like to get people to do it twice is very hard. Okay. But even doing it once. But if you do it, it's incredibly effective. Much more effective than any other form of therapy.

Really? Yes. Okay.

“We'll have to look out for that one because we need it.”

We still have a challenge up in Canada. I can connect you with Rick Perry. Okay.

And he's, he's him and Brian Hubbard are incredible with their advocacy and the promotion of this.

What they've done is really amazing. Yeah, we got to get people off these drugs and we're making some good progress in Canada. Our biggest challenges are just the long-term aftermath of the opioid problem. You have had to hear. But like I think we can overcome it.

And we have to try some new things in order to get people off these things because when you're doing fentanyl, it's Russian relate. It should be, you might not have more than a day to live if you're still taking that stuff. Oh, it's so dangerous. And it's in everything.

It's in so many different street versions of pills that people think are safe. Right. Like Xanx. There's like illegal Xanx. Like street Xanx.

And there's fentanyl on them. People take it and they die. Right. Absolutely. I've met so many mothers.

They just come up to me at my rallies and things. And they tell me the story. And they show me a picture. And he's like, man, it's a beautiful child. That child looks healthy and smart.

And she went to a party. And they ran in the shed out.

“And there's a high school kid here in town that took a street at her all.”

And they had fentanyl in it. He died. Is that right? Yeah. Somebody saw them.

What he thought was at her all. Look, that's what killed Prince. That's what killed Tom Petty. At her all? No.

No. Fentanyl. They got street drugs from someone like they're both in pain. And they become addicted to the pills. And then they got like a pill from a roadie.

I didn't know that. They took it and died. I didn't know that. Petty did. He sang last dance.

Last chance for Mary Jane. Right. That's really sad.

Oh, he sang a bunch of amazing songs.

American girl. I mean, Tom Petty was a legend. And died because of Fentanyl. Prince is one of the great musical genius of human history. And Fentanyl got him to die from Fentanyl.

Yeah. He had a hip pain. He needed a hip replacement. His hip was blown out. And he was in agony all the time.

So he started taking pills. And then next, you know, you're hooked. And I've had family members that got hooked on it. Is that right? Yeah.

Did they get through it? One of them didn't. Yeah. I mean, he hurt his back doing construction and started taking pills. And now he's a waste.

That's the sad mess. That's the sad thing. That's the sad thing. That's their good people. And they're not law-breaking people.

No. Often it's folks who work in physically demanding jobs. They get an injury. Exactly. And it's easy to judge.

But when you're in excruciating pain. And you find something that makes it go away. You get it's understandable. Also, if you're not educated in these subjects. And you just trust the doctor.

You go to a doctor. And the doctor says you need pain medication. And then all of a sudden you're on it. You know? It's easy to see how people get locked into that.

And then they can't break loose. We're pathway to physical addiction. It's so well known and studied. It's very, very addictive. Which is why it's so horrific that they actually promoted the fact that these things

are not addictive when they were promoting them. Oh, they knew exactly what they were doing. They were absolute crooks. And I'm hoping we get big settlements out of them the way you did down here. And I want to put all that money into treatment and recovery.

Get people off these drugs and rescue them. I think we can save these lives. The treatment it works. It's tough. Like the people go through it.

They say it was the worst experience of my life. To go through that withdrawal. But it can be done. And you come out stronger on the other side. It can be done.

And I think the most important thing is prevention.

And letting kids know, like, hey, this is not what you want to get involved with.

You want to have a happy successful life. This is going to stop that. This is going to keep you from having it. This might kill you. And it's definitely going to ruin you.

Yeah, but you're right about fitness. Though, because when I was young, I hung around with a lot of people. Got into a lot of trouble. And I could have ended up there. The reason I didn't frankly is sports.

So I had something else to drive me. So it's one of the reasons why we need to get our young people's active in sporting activities when they're in that age group. Because if you're not giving them an outlet, then they'll end up down that scary path.

Oh, 100%.

“And also you realize that if you want to be effective in sports, like you can't”

party. Exactly. It'll rob you of your vitality. Exactly. Of your performance.

No, I when I played hockey, and I showed up a few times. I hung over.

And I was just shit like a parable.

But you learn pretty quick that you got to be on your game. So we've got to promote more of the fitness at the youth level as well. And is that happening here? It's funny. I remember when I came down here as a 16 year old.

I haven't been here in 30 years. We got into town. And the people who were hosting us were driving us to their home. We saw this stadium. There's like 20,000 people.

And it was in Houston. I said, is that the cowboys playing? And they said, no, that's the high school league. It's like in Canada, but we don't have high school leagues with 20,000 people coming out. But the sports are so massive here.

Football is gigantic here. It's a religion. Yeah. It's incredible. And who do you cheer for, by the way?

In Texas? Yeah. New you personally. Well, I've got into UT football. Okay.

I've really loved going to the UT games. It's so fun. And it's so, they're so enthusiastic. And they just love. It's like when you're a part of it, when the touchdowns get scored, everybody's cheering.

It's like it's so contagious. Right. It's really amazing. And it's just like the enthusiasm they have for it. It's like, wow.

Like this is a great. These people love this here. Yeah. But I've been to high school football games. It's the same thing.

Like pack stadiums for high school football games. And you're like, this is nuts, man. These people love their sports. We're like that for hockey in Canada. Oh, yeah.

A serious serious like parents are very fixated.

“And I think, I think it's actually a good thing.”

Some people say, oh, it's terrible. I think it's great to have parents that are competitive, because they're pushing their kids to be better and more excellent. And even if they don't end up as NHL hockey players, it gives them that kind of respect and competitive ad. And I want us to be a more competitive society.

Well, when I was a kid, I worked at the Boston Athletic Club. And one of the people that I was a fitness instructor when I was 19. And one of the people that I worked with was Bobby Orr. Oh, really? Yeah.

Bobby Orr used to come there and train him. We used to have to help him get on the Versa Climer machine. Because his body was so wrecked. He had so many surgeries. His knees were so destroyed.

He had scars all up and down. Because he had knee surgery back when they were just experimenting. You know, they didn't really know how to fix knees. They just cut you open, screw things back together again. And then it would blow apart again.

And then you'd wind up having another surgery. So he had many, many knee surgeries. And he could barely walk. But he was still doing some kind of physical activity. Oh, yeah.

He was playing a racquet ball. How old was he at the time? This was 1986. So I mean, that's like what 40 years ago. Uh-huh.

Yeah. So he was, you know, he was probably in his 50s, 40s or 50s. He was, but he was, he could barely walk. I mean, his knees didn't straighten out really.

They were always like slightly bent.

And they only bent that much. His range of motion was very small. So you had to help him get on machines. But that nice is guy. Right.

The legend, like you couldn't believe he was really there. Right. He would walk into the, the gym. And he was like, oh, it's really, yeah. As I was 19, I never met a famous person.

And I was like, that's Bobby Or. Absolutely. That's not, but it also made me realize like boy, knee surgeries. No joke. Like this guy was like an incredible athlete.

And now he can't even straighten his leg out. Yeah. And it's all temporary. You got to take care of yourself. Yes.

“Do you, do you have, like, residual injuries from fighting back in, in the day?”

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've had three knee surgeries, two reconstructions. Was that from Taekwondo? Yeah.

And you, Jitsu, one of one of my ACL injuries from, uh, Jitsu. And what, uh, like, what injuries are the most common injury issue? Knees backs, necks, shoulders. Those are the big ones, elbows. Is that because the, the, the arm bars and all that stuff?

Yeah. Not tapping. Right. A big one. A lot of, a lot of guys get hurt just because they're ego.

Because they don't want to tap. And you don't, you don't strike me as the type of guy who tapped very quickly. Well, when I was younger, I was really stupid. And I wasn't into tapping.

But, uh, as I got older, I got a lot smart, fortunately, I got a lot better. So it wasn't like in a situation where I had a tap a lot. Right. But if I did, I did, I just tapped. And that's the smart thing to do.

And I would tell people, treat it like you're playing basketball. Don't treat it like it's your life or death. Right. The game is life or death. The game is, if a guy gets you in an arm bar, he's essentially breaking your arm.

If he breaks your arm, he can kill you. Right. That's the game. But don't treat it like that. Treat it like you can tap and keep going.

Right. Or you can not tap. And your arm's going to be destroyed. Maybe for the rest of your life. Right.

And I've seen that happen with people. Whether they're formed, snaps. And they have to have plates in it. And then it's a chronic injury for the rest of their life. Right.

Yeah. No. I can imagine that. And what about an in Taekwondo? Like, you met, you told the story once about how you really clocked a guy.

“I think it was a real kick or something.”

Yeah. And that like freaked you out. That changed my whole outlook on fighting. Because I realized that could happen to me. And I had knocked people out before.

But I'd never knocked anybody out where they didn't get up.

Like, usually they get up and they're wobbly. And, you know, they get sat down. And the, you know, medics take care of them. And, you know, after a while they're walking around. And this guy never got up.

And I never really got over that. I never had the same lust for hurting people. Because it was just, I was young. You know, it was 19. And when you're 19, you think you're invincible.

You don't, you don't think about the consequences. I knew I could get hurt. I've been hurt before. I've been kicked really hard and punched really hard before. I knew I was vulnerable.

But I didn't think they would going to be anything permanent. Did the guy ever get into the hospital? I don't know. Really? I don't know what happened to him.

Well, maybe I don't know what happened to him. Maybe he'll hear this show and give you a call and say that he's all right. I don't know. I probably don't want to talk to me.

Well, your, your spinning pack kick is incredible.

I saw you in GSP doing that video where you were showing him how to do the backpack. Yeah. Did he ever use that in a fight? Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did.

He landed it. Yeah, he used to a lot.

“It's a thing that like, you have to almost grow up doing it.”

Right. You know, unless you're, like, John Jones developed it later in his career. I saw that. He's a wizard. But he kind of, like, started implementing it.

Like, like, sort of, three, two, three, three. Did you teach him how to do that? No, no. He worked with a type of no coach in Albuquerque. Okay.

And he just really worked on that one technique. And that one technique specifically when he went up to heavyweight. Because the guys would be first of all, less agile mobile. And also, it was the kind of technique we could stop a guy with one shot. Right.

And when your guy is smaller than most heavyweights as John is, because he was a light heavyweight. So he's fighting at 205, most of his career. And just as a challenge, decided to go up to heavyweight. But he's so intelligent. He realized, like, I need a one shot that I could put people away.

So he spent hours and hours every week. And he was just going over this spinning back kick. Really? To the body or the head? Yeah, the body.

Yeah. And it's like getting hit by a car. Right. You get hit by that. It's like a wheel kick to the head is really difficult to develop.

That's, it's like a fast twitch thing that it's almost like your body has to evolve and grow doing that. To really develop the kind of speed that you could pull it off on a skilled opponent. And the accuracy. Yeah.

I must be incredible. I mean, there's this free athletes that could pick it up later in life. There's some people that are just really good at everything. They just have amazing dexterity and coordination. But for most people, you, like I learned it when I was a kid.

So like my body matured doing those things. Right. Body matured kicking. And it became a part of like just my average normal movement of life. Right.

It's amazing.

“And the spinning back kick though, is it typically a body kick?”

Yes. Well, you throw it. I've thrown it to the face too, especially a jump spinning back kick to the face. Wow. But the, the.

I want to, wasn't it really, the Koreans, the developed so they could actually kick a man off a horse in war? Is that why the kicks are so high? I don't think so. I think it was just because they were, they're smaller and stature. And they realized that you had to have more powerful kicks.

Okay.

You know, like because your legs are always carrying your body around.

There's a lot more mass to your muscles and your legs and there's a lot more force. You could generate with your kicks. Did you ever see the fight between Rick Rufus and that Moitai guy? Oh, yeah. Isn't that incredible?

Yeah. That changed kick boxing. We've, we've showed that fight a hundred times. Right. That's podcast.

It's amazing because it was like Americans versus Thai. And we didn't really understand late kicks. Right. Because P.K.A. karate. And I found this out later because of Benny or Kita who came in the podcast.

He told me that the reason why they didn't allow leg kicks in P.K.A. karate was because of Bill Wallace. So Bill's super foot Wallace famously had one leg that he kicked with. It was because his other leg hit a bad knee. Right. And he didn't want anybody kicking his legs.

Interesting.

Right. And that's what we had in America. Like that's what Johnny Feteria fought. That's right. He did.

He fought Rufus himself actually. Yes.

“That was incredible because if you looked at the the art form.”

Rufus was so much more beautiful to watch than the Thai guy. He came in. He broke the guy's jaw in the first round. I think. He knocked it down a few times.

Once or twice. He knocked him down a couple times. I believe. But it was. And the guy just kept chopping his leg.

And then I think he went out in a and a stretcher. He's as leg was busted and like nine places. He didn't know what to do. He didn't understand it. What was really interesting is his brother Duke became a more

World Champion. Okay. Was that the guy who was at the fight commenting after the fight? Yes, I remember

“He was saying that doesn't take it to kill. Yes, I remember that. Well, he was embarrassed by that later in his life”

Because he became one of the top MMA trainers really yeah, and he and he took on Moitai Yes, well he became a Moitai World Champion and he developed Rufus sport, which is a great gym in Milwaukee a top gym Develop World Champions like Anthony Pattas, so he was you know, he was a pioneer. It was one of the guys that had to figure it out And you know, he spent time in Thailand. They all they all learned it. They had to learn and because it was just a best place in Thailand To go is it for cat? Is it Bangkok like well, there's so many good places Thailand's the real motherland of Moitai

Right, and so like you know

Pukat's amazing the Bangkok's amazing. I mean, there's so many amazing gyms that are in

Thailand they're tough guys. There's whole strips in Fukat my wife and I were there in vacation once and we just stumbled on this whole street And you could do there was sort of American style boxing. There was there was a crossfit type thing Then there was that tiger Moitai and a bunch of other Moitai facilities and then there's there's like street vendors that would were were cooking meals specifically for people who are there training like you could buy a beautiful Hard-boiled eggs and avocado and chicken strips and it's like high protein

Just catered to the people who come from around the world the train for like five six weeks in a clinic And there's people that do it just recreationally my friend Mark. He's a he's a business man He's in his 60s and he did it. He went over to Thailand if he survived. Yeah He spars all I saw him the other day at a black eye. He's in his 60s. I'm like, what are you doing now? So if you were starting from scratch you if you wanted to be a MMA would you do like you go to

Thailand and do a do like a two months there and then go to Dagestan to learn how to wrestle is that I would be the best combo if you were starting out if you're a kid. I would say wrestling wrestling's number one

Yeah, that's the most important thing to learn because if a guy can take you down

He could do whatever he wants to if you could hold you down and hold you down and beat you up if you don't know how to wrestle You can't fight right you need at least to learn wrestling just understand wrestling take down defense That's you did just to later in life didn't you? Yes, right? I didn't start to just to tell I was

“29 I think yeah, and who do you like right now? Who do you think is the most interesting fighter to watch these days?”

Oh, there's so many it's impossible to say the most interesting There's a guy from Spain, Ilya to Korea. Yeah, yeah, I really like to Korea. He's What David Goggins calls uncommon amongst uncommon men once more coffee. I'm good. Thank you He's a freak. I mean, he's just incredibly talented But we're weirdly talented like his last three fights. He knocked out three all-time grades a Holloway. Yeah, Holloway, Alexander

and Charles over so right. That's crazy Vulcanovsky who's like one of the greatest feather weights of all-time knocked him out knocked out Max Holloway another one of the greatest feather weights of all-time right and then Charles all-over I want to the greatest lightweight of all-time. He knocks out three guys in three fights and there's no one as a resume And he's not like as I understand he was a Greco Roman guy

Right and he came a boxer later on. He's just how do you describe it? How do you describe? Like so I'm not I'm not knowledgeable in this area, but it the way he he almost looks like he has a Philly shell

Mm-hmm. Is that a Philly shell? What he does with one or a bit of that. Well, he has amazing defense. It's just amazing awareness and he

pattern recognition Technique it's he's like he's a combination of all things right incredible confidence incredible intelligence Insane discipline work ethic, but just a great training methods like he does every thing right and then in saying confidence like his confidence isn't saying he when he fought Charles all-over Of for the lightweight title he celebrated his victory the night before he had a party to celebrate the night before the fight

And then went out and knocked Charles out in the first round and said he was going to knock Charles out in the first round

You know, you know, you know, you know, presses me most about him is how we got up after that kick to the head He taught. Yeah, that was hi-her animal. Yeah, and you know who else did that was GSP. Oh, he'll speak took that call And then down, but he recovered quick. Yeah, and yeah, he was talking to me about how because I said to him like in politics

“You get hit. You get hit right and not live not physically if you're lucky, but but you have to be able to get up quickly and react to it”

I asked him how did you do it? How did you like how does your brain go from taking that kind of hit to getting back in the fight and turning it around And he said he like it's teeth too very deep breath through the nose and then out through the mouth and get some oxygen back into your system and focus your mind

I thought that was an incredible lesson. Well, I mean, it's all and how you get kicked because you kid just get knocked out and then it's over

It is nothing you can do if you get shot off you get shot off right and people get shot off It just you just get kicked the you get kicked in a kind of glances off of you Or you can get kicked in it just slams right in the side of your neck and the lights go dark right, but if you're if you are still able to recover and and think quickly It's incredible to have that kind of pre-programming to ready for a moment like that. Well, I mean, that's a big part of his

What I was talking about the The camp that he comes from I mean for us a hobby is like one of the most intelligent and one of the most brilliant trainers in the sport Who's this for us a hobby? He's the guy from Montreal. Oh, that's right star

So he's the guy who trains just trains GSP oh GSP. Oh, yes, okay, and I mean, I think that is that's a big part of why

GSP was able to recover like they prepare for everything right. You know, it's like there's nothing left to chance Like he hires people to try to knock George out and training That was one of the things he did he would give them more money if they could knock him out So they would just so he would be like bully prepared right when he was fighting like

“They leave no stone uncovered don't you have to like budget though the number of headshots”

100% like he was pretty confident that George. I mean, it wasn't like he was doing this with a beginner Right, he was doing this with a world champ in one of the greatest of all time. Okay. He you know He wanted George to be in danger You know, so George had a fight like he was gonna fight inside the octagon right in danger because John Jones said somewhere that he had like every time He gets hit hard in in camp

He's he said like I just that that's part of my brain budget that's the game away. Well, that's why John so smart He recognized that there's a lot of people that don't think that the way John also famously won't take a fight on short notice Is that right? He wants to be fully prepared for a fighter even a guy like when he fought Chale son and They offered him a Chale son and fight on short notice and he said no like there is not a Time a no disrespect to Chale. He's a great fighter

No, it does not a time on this life in this earth where Chale son and it's gonna be John Jones It's just not gonna happen. He could have taken that fight on one day's notice and still beat Chale son and he's that much better than him But he still wouldn't take it. He's like no, I want to be fully 100% prepared That's smart though. Yeah, also he hated Chale and so he wanted to make sure that there was not a chance the Chale could do anything to him that he would have been able to wouldn't have been able to do if he was trained

Did these guys hate each other sometimes? Is it but most of them did they respect or is it depends on the fight? It really depends like when Ilya Tappori a fought Chale's Olivera. He actually apologized to him before the fight. It said I'm sorry. It has to be you. I really like you Got a crazy gotta be careful, but rice hated people too. He's hated people he fought to me There's some people that just rub you the wrong way. There's some people there's strategies to get inside your head and fuck with you

And for you to fight with emotion. Well, he had a beating with Conner McGregor. He really hated it. He was gonna almost didn't let go when the depot. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was that was something else Is Conner ever gonna come back do you think?

“Only Conner knows. I mean if he's going to he has to do it soon. I mean I think he's 30 how old is he now? 37?”

He's jacked now, eh? Yes, but I'll not meet. Oh, he came back down. He was on the Mexican supplements for a while Okay, cuz he was trying to Recover from his leg break right when you fought Dustin poor you. I remember that. He got on some stuff to try to recover for that I don't know what he got on, but clearly it helped. He got huge. He got super jacked the problem with getting super jacked like that Then you get addicted to what got you super jacked because you know if you're on steroids you feel like super man

You know, you you feel like you could just run through walls and then you get off of it and now your endocrine system has to kind of catch up to the fact that you've been Giving it exogenous testosterone for all these months and so that takes a long time for you to get back to a normal healthy level See it feels shit. It's hard for these guys to get off of steroids. Right. I can imagine you get addicted to being that's right

I've never done it. I don't plan on it. How old is he?

Probably Randy Cotour. I think Randy won the world title the world heavyweight title in his 40s. Wow. Yeah

“But Randy didn't even start his mixed martial arts career. I think I was there at his first fight in”

1997 and I think he was 34 35 but we ever had an MMA fight He was just an elite wrestler who you know made his way into MMA because

There's no real professional outlet for actual amateur wrestling. He's always asked about the stroller. He's a swirfler speck.

einfach umas raten and then hoffin. This is stymed. Oh, no. Garnich. He's a stroller. So my taste base. You know my name is all right. Yeah, yeah, genau. Be so steuer is so di steuer app that I just understood. Egalobstudium job or unzug stymed class 50 gar nicht wie steueranan. Steuerna led it safe. With viso steuer. Did you ever interact with the graces because I remember way back in like I remember MMA or UFC 2 was the second one that was when it really kicked the first one was a little bit strange. That big fact guy was tooth went flying out. Yeah

But number two is the one with Shamrock and Gracie and Dan Severn was he in number two. Dan Severn the wrestler. He was later. He might have been three or four But that was kind of the first generation of big names. Oh, hoi's Gracie changed the world. Yeah, with his He was a slow style though, man. Like he had a patience to watch him because he'd said he's just lying his back and wait wait

Well, Dan Severn he did because he had a catchment of triangle right eventually tapped him and no one even understand what was going on

Like why was he he's got his legs wrapped around him? What the hell is going on and then also Dan Severn's tapping out You're like this is crazy. So a man who weighed literally a hundred pounds more than him or close to it right on top of him and hoist being well Dan Severn didn't appear to have any finishing moves like he's think I got you on your back I've been to you. I've won the wrestling match. He would give you little nuggies right cool sandwiches, but then of course Eventually that anaconda comes in and either jokes you out or takes your arm

Well no one understood jujitsu until hoist came around You know, and he was his dad wasn't it is dad that introduced it to the family his dad and his uncle So as it was Carlos Gracie and Ilio Gracie who were the real founders of Brazilian jutsu and then Carlson Gracie Okay, and those guys were the pioneers and they were having no Rules fights in the 1930s and 40s. Wow. Wow. Yeah, and did they bring it over from Japan?

My eight of brought it over from Japan, and they taught the Gracies and then You know, Ilio Gracie famously had a match with Kimura who is a Japanese judoka who

“broke Ilio's arm with a kamura and that's how that that technique. That's why it's called a kamura”

Really. Yeah, and catch wrestling they call a double wrist lock. Okay, but we call it a kamura because kamura broke Ilio Gracie's arm with this really. Oh, just refused to tap and it's like

And eventually it snapped as arm. Wow. It's incredible. Yeah, they're having these long no rules fights and Brazil long before

Anybody had any idea what MMA was in America and then hoist's brother Hickson who is the best out of all of them Hickson was fighting people when he was 18 and like these big arenas Really in Brazil. Yeah, unbelievable, and then they then I guess Dana White brought it in with UFC No, it wasn't Dana. It was there there was another organization before Zufa owned the UFC and this other organization they started it with Hoorian Gracie

So Hoorian Gracie was the guy who founded the UFC. Okay, and then originally they were talking about putting like a Moat around the cage and having crocodiles and each other They wanted it to be like completely insane because what it was for Hoorian Hoorian's a brilliant man and what for him what he wanted was to

“Promote jujitsu and he's like this is gonna be the best way to open up schools all over the country and to show this art that my father”

He created right so they had really taken some of the ground techniques of judo and really refined them Right to a razor sharp edge and and also one of the things that helped a lot was that Elio was a small man. He was only like a hundred or forty-five pounds and so he had to use only technique and leverage He couldn't rely on brute strength and so it was one of the best Sort of advertisements is to have hoist who's also fairly small. He's only a hundred seventy-five pounds

beat all these big giant muscle bound guys with pure technique because they didn't understand what he was doing and he was like this is gonna be brilliant. This is gonna and it worked. I mean the the name Gracie and

They have no attachment to Gracie's you're the Brazilian Gracies, but everybody wants to learn the Gracie's style

“Well, they probably do have a like Gracie Baja, which is a huge”

Affiliate of gems that they're all over the country. Okay, they're everywhere. Are they good? Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, oh, there's like it's very difficult to have a bad jujitsu gym today Why is that because they're so conservative? It's too competitive. Okay. There's too many good people

There's too many good gems like in Austin alone Austin alone is like 10 amazing jujitsu schools. Is that right? Oh, yeah

Do you go do you go and roll quite often? There's a place right up the street tone planet jujitsu, which is the school that I started with Okay in California. Well, I started with the macho. Well, I actually started with Hicks and Great or start I started with Hicks and Gracie and then I went to Carlson Gracie And then I and that was just because I didn't know there was any difference in the Gracies and the Carlson Gracie was closer to my house Oh, I'll go to this Gracie place closer. There's one. I was a white belt. I didn't know anything

And then when they closed when that gym closed, then I went to John Jacques Machados And so I started training there in 1998 and that was that was in the Valley in California But then one of John Jacques black belts my best friend Eddie Bravo He started 10 planets jujitsu and then I trained there as well. Okay, and in Canada We see a lot of places where they do Moitai and jujitsu

You're striking and you're grappling all in one

Since the planet here has a Moitai program. Oh, is that right? So that's a lot of those now a lot of those gyms have that you went to your first as a commentator

You did it like for free didn't you? No, no, I I got paid in the early days in the 90s in the 1997 But it wasn't much. I was losing money, but when the UFC was purchased by Zufa in 2001 That was when I was on fear factor and I met Dana White and I became friends with him and he asked me as a favor to do commentary on this one show that they had UFC 37 and a half it was on Fox sports Whatever it was the there was a cable channel

“So those best damn sports show period had this UFC show and he said would you do me a favor and just do commentary on this one of that right?”

That's okay, I'll do it for this one and he's like I want you to do it again and then it I was a girl So I was like I just wanted to do it for fun Like for me is like I like going to the fights and I like going with my friends and having a good time

And I did like the first 15 of them for free. I just they knew they were hemorrhaging money

And I didn't need any money. But you loved it. You love being there. It was like a kid in the candy store Well also it was very happy to try to promote this thing because for me It was the ultimate expression of martial arts like we need to find out what's the best style right and I had kind of I had been so Engrossed in that world in Japan with pride in all these other organizations that they had over there It's like what happens if an alligator fights with a tiger what happens with a lion fights with a bear we got to match them up and find out

Well, it's humans versus humans. It's just style Like we need it. No, if you didn't want to waste your time doing something that didn't work right and there was a lot of people that wasted their time doing stuff that didn't work And we didn't really know what that was until the UFC came along and then we're like oh and now the evolution of martial arts from 1993 when the UFC started to 2026 in those years martial arts have evolved more than they have in the last 30,000 right well, it's likely the gap between theory and practice yes and like

Bruce Lee When he would he he started with Wing Chun But he said that a lot of it was just ornament ornamental and he called it dry land swimming Mmm, it's like you know you wouldn't actually do that in a fight and then he got into a lot of Contention with the the scholars of the art form. It's a very beautiful art form Wing Chun

But I don't know if it act. I can't imagine it works that well. Well, it is well, it is Wing Chun is effective. There's a lot of things that you can't explain between like a Moitai guy and I'd Wing Chun guy who would come out The Moitai guy, yeah, but it doesn't mean the Wing Chun's not effective and you could use Wing Chun in Moitai

“Okay, we're in an MMA fight, but you have to know everything. That's the reality of it. It's like Taekwondo”

Like Taekwondo is not effective by itself in an MMA fight But if you know MMA and you know Taekwondo, then you could do like with Edson Barbosa did the Terry Ed of a knock-out with a wheel kick It's a spectacular fashion like this learning on which has like a big land, right? Like yes, and some Moitai some karate some yes That's what MMA is mixed martial arts. I mean, it's like you take all and that's Bruce Lee's philosophy

Absorb what's useful, but he was the real first mixed martial artist and when it was very dangerous to do that Because people hated him. I mean, they would attack him. He would have he would have to have fights with people because they they thought that he was disrespecting their art

He learned things from everybody. He learned karate, Savot

He learned all these different martial arts and was absorbing what's useful and putting his own so Jikun Doe his style was really the first mixed martial arts

Is that right? Yeah, do people use it anymore? Well, yeah, there's Jikun Doe schools sure. Yeah. Yeah, I mean in a lot of what Krav Magaz is really martial art is like kind of a Combination of things along the same lines of the way Bruce Lee did is is it is Krav Magra a good Effective martial arts system every martial art system is effective if you have a great instructor, okay, but on their own Like the best styles are the really strong styles like jujitsu moitai wrestling those are the best that Western boxing

Those are the best styles on their own, okay, but what Krav Magaz is is a combination of all those styles And so if you have a great instructor in Krav Magaz, yeah, you'll you'll learn great moitai You'll learn great jujitsu you it's essentially mixed martial arts, but with a lot of emphasis on real-world Location street fights, you know dirty stuff like eye-gouging, you know poking people in the eye kicking them in the nuts

“Yikes stuff that works, but that's what you like well, if you see it in the name I may fight all the time”

I got gets poked in the eyes like hang on and he has to stop He's not against the rules hunched and it's against the rules. So this guy's getting punched and kicked and look Tom Aspen all

He was in the heavyweight title fight and he got eye poked in the first round

He's had to have two surgeries since then on his eyes and he hasn't made him with a fight They had to stop the fight in the first round from an eye poke. Oh my god. It's very effective But in Krav Magaz they'll like go for the eye because in a real world fight for your life scenario If you're in a war, I mean they're it's for these really military. I think exactly so they have to prepare for you know unusual situations Yeah, where you're trying to survive in a you know a situation where your arm has been your your weapon has been removed and you're and you're just trying to fight for your life

Exactly, but we're just in your in a situation with hand-to-hand combat. You need to learn how you need to know every You need if a guy takes you down you can't be lost. Oh, we have to get back up so I can fight

“No, you have to be able to fight on the ground and that's the idea of it like Incorporate Jiu Jitsu Incorporate leg kicks”

Moitai Western boxing even Gikun do techniques even Wingchung techniques really there's a lot of hand-trapping and things in Wingchung That can be very it looks really cool. What they do with that wooden dummy. Uh-huh. Yeah, it looks very well

Exactly, I've never really got into that but if you do get into that you'll learn blocking techniques and you'll actually work. Yeah, sure

Okay, but you they'll work if you know the other stuff They won't work if a guy just shoots a double on you and takes you down and starts pounding You don't know what to do when you're on the bottom right you have to know how to then this is what really MMA is taught the world is like you have to be able to defend yourself everywhere standing up on the ground You have to be effective in all the realms right but still we have a lot of people that are pure specialists that do really well

In mixed martial arts because they're so good in one area like Alex Pereira Who is the middleweight champ in light heavyweight champ in and now he's going up to heavyweight He's gonna be fighting at the White House card Alex Pereira is one of the greatest kickboxers of all time He's a two division world champ in a kickboxer, but his style is all kickboxing But he just develop take down defense you can do it all you can do it all but he doesn't submit anybody if you're fighting him

You're gonna get you're gonna get it's gonna be a stand-up fight unless you could take him down He's not gonna try to take you down. He's gonna try to fuck you up. He's gonna try to knock you and do another dimension Thanks for the work name. I'll try to play boy think I You take ever saw is there's this video of John Jones on the street somewhere and he he bumped into He was talking and he leaned on some guys motorcycle. I think he might have been in Asia or something

The guy had no idea who he was and he started screaming at him. Oh, no, and John said I'm very very sorry and he turned around. He ran away like he was terrified and it was obviously He wasn't in any danger, but it was so hilarious that this guy had no idea who he was picking a fight with. That's hilarious The guy doesn't know it is like flash or as eyes, but he but he he took it well because he was like, you know I don't have anything to prove. Yeah, John's not so type of guy that would do anything to I mean

Also what a lawsuit. You know, yeah, your answer weapons. Oh, yeah, his whole body's a weapon But most of those guys are really nice guys and realize is that right? Yeah, because they get all their aggression now They don't have anything to prove. They're not the type of person

“They they know what they can do. They don't have to prove it to anybody. Well, you should come to Winnipeg. They have a fight coming up”

I think it's in I think it's an April. It's an April. You have seen it. Yeah, I've avoided UFC's in Canada Well, come on. I've avoided it just because the government just was what was going on as a protest

Well, we should catch you up before we can Prime Minister I promise I'll do all the UFC events that they have in Canada We need you up in Canada to come come do one of your comedy shows and it would be great for I still don't go on up there. I still love going to Massie Hall. Yeah, I used to Toronto. Yeah, I love performing there I did You used to do Montreal and

How old were you when you were in Montreal? Oh, I start I think the first time I was up there was like 25 such a beautiful city

Yeah, yeah, I love just there. Yeah, I love you back. He's lovely. It's amazing

Beautiful province amazing food shout out to Joe B. One of my favorite restaurants in the world. That's a Montreal

“Yeah, they're Montreal's a great place and you should come out to the prairies to go to the Calgary Stampede”

I've heard that's awesome. Oh, to me. I've been to Edmonton. I've been Alberta. Yeah I'm from Edmonton a few times and I've hunted in Alberta. Where? Well, my friend John and Jen Rivet. They have a guide. I mean, they guide people up in Northern Alberta. It's all like, you know, black bear hunting. Yeah, so it's like there's a lot of great hunting I don't hunt myself, but there's a ton of great hunting a lot of hunters in Alberta. Oh, yeah

Well, there's talk about Alberta separating that won't happen. What was that about? It won't happen People some people are frustrated, but they you know, there's some legitimate frustrations But at the end of the day, Canada's going to be united and Alberta and this I'm born and raised Alberta And Albertans are seriously patriotic. Very patriotic. Yeah, they're great people hard-working Some of the nicest people you over there are quite people hard. They're a hard-easy people

It's cold up there in the middle five exactly. You got to be tough to survive the cold Yeah, and at a car of a country like we have out of that cold weather on that big open land But people just keep on going and Alberta's got a real kind of rugged Individualisms and people people love their their agriculture with great ranches and Alberta beautiful grasslands in

“Saskatchewan doesn't Brock Lesnar have a place up there. I did I didn't know that I think Brock Lesnar really bought land in Alberta”

Really think he else a ranch up there actually I had heard that from somebody. Yeah, I never seen him fell in love with it

Well, he's a big hunter as well right. He fell in love with it up there because it's just it's so magnificent So gorgeous. It's a great country and the big they're so dense and beautiful and you got wolves and bears and moves and everything up there It's amazing country the Canadian rockies are spectacular as well They're you know a worldwide attraction You know you go to Lake Louise. It looks like a tropical lake because it's all this runoff from the

Mountain melt and you think you were in the tropics because this is this turquoise green That's where I grew up. I love I love Calgary a love southern Alberta That's really my home and so you got to come to the stamp he'd greatest outdoor show on earth A lot of Texans go up for the stampede because it's a rodeo. It's a huge rodeo. Yeah, people don't think cowboy Canada I don't think of that, but yeah Calgary. Yeah. They've got some serious. Oh, yeah, it's there. No. They really do. Yeah

Look, I love Canada. I just if you did your comedy show in Calgary you'd get a massive turnout It would be great thinking it over at what I see when you were supposed to be up there before COVID I was supposed to do a show up there for 420 for April 20th I was gonna do it in Vancouver. That's another great city every year. I would do these 420 shows like these You know 420s the marijuana number and Canada now you guys have legal marijuana too

I'm in legal for 10 years. Which they should have in America. It's so ridiculous They just they just recently decided to make it schedule 3. Is it by state? Yes, it's legal in last dates But it's still not legal federally. It's goofy if alcohol's legal marijuana's far safer It should be legal. It's ridiculous. It's also a personal freedom thing leave people alone It's like no one's robbing banks smoking weed fucking killing neighbors. It's crazy

It's like that's a personal personal choice. It's not it's not heroin it's not opiate It's not like Maybe you shouldn't do it if you have mental health problems, right? But there's a lot of people that just like take a pot gummy and go to bed and it makes them sleep better like leave Malone Like leave people alone let people have a glass whiskey let people have a glass of wine with dinner leave Malone like stop

That's coming up with laws And then pose your values and your morals and your judgments on other people let them have make their own personal look

“If you want to eat a fucking cheeseburger, you need a cheeseburger”

You know if you want to go and have five big Macs you should be able to I don't think you should do it But I don't think there should be a law stopping you and I think that's that should apply to a lot of things in life

And we'd be a lot better all the bottom line is isn't if you cannot trust a man to govern himself

How can you trust him to govern for others like if if you think if if you think that

Then how could you possibly trust human nature to make decisions for other people to impose decisions on their lives and Who watches the watchman right we're constantly told we we need to be kind of guided by these people from ivory towers But who are these angels anyway, they're just human beings like everyone else so when you give them more power and more you give them the power to impose their will on on people

Then that ultimately gets abused yes, so even you're right even when somebody is doing something that I don't agree with

And I would think it would be better for all of us if they didn't do it That the the Mal that is done by giving me the power to impose my decision making on them is worse than the benefit of

“Trying to direct them towards a better decision. Well, so that's my philosophy. That's why I like you well”

That's right me a lot of sense. It's pretty simple. I think all the best things in life for simple, you know We over-complicate things government is it's way too complicated. You know I think we need to get back to this simplicity the greatest speech in the English language was Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg addressed 271 words, you know Einstein compressed Mass and energy into a five character equation

Lee you know Bruce Lee was an advocate of simplicity like simplicity is is a virtue and I think we have to get back to simplicity especially in government simpler clear Easier to manage that's the pro that's the kind of the philosophical take-eyed. I'm I pursue well

I appreciate that I think like That philosophy in that perspective from a leader is

Well, we need in this world. Yeah, and well, I think leaders have to have humility because the problem is that if you are a

Ego Maniac and you're in power Anywhere in the world then you're going to want to just continually impose new rules and laws to make yourself bigger

“Whereas if you believe in freedom then you have to take you have to be able to say to yourself”

I don't know better for this other person. He knows better with for him and You know, it's it's hard, but politicians have to think That they have to trust the people, but you know, nobody wants to have he left people alone on their gravestone I wanted to call he built this. He imposed that he made this grand Initiative that he imposed on the people in order to have a legacy

Oh my legacy is just to let other people build their legacies in their own lives I think the idea forging a legacy based on controlling people and imposing your will is ludicrous exactly yeah

And the problem is history's littered with people like that absolutely Alexander the great gangas calm

“There's so many people that impose their will and left a legacy, but is that good?”

I don't think it is so it's also their dead Doesn't matter nobody walk by walk by one of those magnificent tombs in in Petra and said why I'd really like to be inside there Exactly, what what is happening while you're alive is what's really significant in the most The the most impactful thing like do do well do good for the people and I think your message resonates with me Thank you. If I was a Canadian I would vote for you 100 percent. Thank you, thank you for that. Well, it's

It's you know, it's a privilege to do this work and I'm I consider it very humbling and I'm very proud to be Canadian and To take the message of Canada here to our American friends. Well, I'm glad you're here doing that and I think this is gonna have a big impact I really hope it moves the needle up in Canada. Absolutely and down here. We got to get these tariffs gone Yeah, get the tariffs gone. Well, let's work it out right on it out and if you win I'm coming up there promise. Well, we're gonna try to get you up there

You're I'm gonna keep working on you. Okay, and you look at that that may believe on your new cattle bell every day Eventually, we're gonna work subliminally into your subconscious and get you look like I said You don't have to sell me on Canada right on it. And I love that gift So thank you so much. Thank you for being here. Thank you so much. Thank you for being here. He's awesome