#2474 - Dave Smith

It was, uh, it was a good bet it just wasn't timed right. I thought you got it in on time. I thought you got it in like, yeah. I thought you got it in like five minutes early.

“I did not. I thought it was not a massive investigation to that right away. Didn't someone make like $1.8 billion in like five minutes?”

Yeah, there's, uh, there's a lot of those like trades like that that should be investigated that kind of never are. How about what's his name, Ludnik? Yeah, how about that one?

He's, so he's a tariffs one working for the administration and also standing to gain huge if people can sue over the, the tariffs, right? Well, explain the whole thing. Well, if do you know how to, do you know the actual details of it? I don't really know that he was telling everybody that, you know, don't sweat it. The tariffs are golden. We're getting them through. There's going to be no problems. Is that what it was? But in, in me, why who's shorting the tariffs? Yes. Yes. So he was personally shorting that phone call.

That's probably, yeah. So yeah. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. That is quite litigious gentleman. Yeah. He might pay. Let's see if we could find it. Like, is it wilder people are on the files visited the island and then they still work? It was unbelievable. Some people had a resign from some jobs.

Well, especially just him because he, so the way there's something about a really confident liar. Like, where they just said, because I mean, that interview clip where he's like, let me tell you something. I met Jeffrey Upsing that one time at a massage table. He said they were sex massage tables.

I went right back to my wife and I said, honey, we are never hanging out with Jeffrey Upsing again.

And that is that, you know, is that really just cool? Dude, I mean, it was seen that. I don't know if it's verbatim, but that is the exact spirit. We should probably pretty verbatim. Oh, let's listen to it. Listen to it. Listen to it. I find very, very close to exactly what he said. Okay.

Let me get this one again. What was this one? Let Nick, let Nick interview about abstain. And he just sounds, I mean, so like morally outraged that the idea. There's so many people that they exist in that world. We just pretend that you're a different person. You pretend you're one way.

Yeah. You pretend you think things differently. It's, uh, I've been up close with people like that. I said, that was my takeaway from debating Chris Cuomo was like, I just, it's a weird thing to see someone just lie like that. Here it is. Okay. Now, this is the one that says he's the greatest black male or ever.

Uh, I don't watch what I'm trying to find. Yeah, try to explain it to him. It was, uh, let me see the key words that would. Down plays relationship with him. That might be it. What?

What does he do? He's, um, what's he's a commerce secretary.

Uh, he was, he was always like a money finance guy.

“I think he used to work for C, uh, CNBC if I'm correct.”

In this administration, this like, the wolves have taken over the henhouse. Yeah. I mean, yeah, they sure have. This is, this is what training the swamp looks like. Under fire for Epstein ties, commerce secretary Howard Lutnik defends visiting his private island. Yeah, but this is, this isn't the clip.

The clip was from, oh, he said the top it says. It says Lutnik sent an interview last year. He was never in the room with Epstein. Other than a 2005 visit to his apartment. Okay. So that's probably it.

He said, you know, he met him once. Like this guy's talk. He specifically says that he met him that he saw he had a massage table in his living room. And he goes, hey, Jeffrey, what do you, you really like massages? And he claims that Jeffrey went, yeah, and the right kind of massages.

And that's when he decided he would never talk to him again. Nobody likes the right kind of massages. Those are terrible. Imagine those are legal. Just hand job massages. There'd be no relationships.

[laughter]

“How many people who had terrible relationships, because they need sex?”

There's a lot of guys who, like, I'm just going to hang out with boys. Just get jerked off once or once a day. And I'm good. How would Lutnik downplay his relationship, the Epstein train sent a testimony? Test the money, I don't know.

Does this it? Now, this is from, this is from recently. This is from this year. I did find an article that kind, I don't even know what this website is. I don't know.

His old firm did not, in fact, profit from this Supreme Court tariff ruling. It says that there was an article claiming it, and then, that's always trying to dig through this news. We'd better edit that out then. I mean, it was reported though that they did, but I don't know that what this says.

Um, so his firm is run by his two sons.

And other investors, Supreme Court of Friday, invalidated many of Trump's tariffs. The president said, why not? Okay, did, did, did.

“Caster did not consider the product, which is existed for years.”

It was humming trade on Wall Street's Trump first term tariff push,

but decided against it after weighing the political sense. The activities according to a senior banker familiar with this matter. A can't just spokesman said the salesman erroneously believed the firm was likely to greenlight the business. Okay, I'm missing this.

I'm not exactly sure what they're saying here. There's just a legality of tariffs or discussing that. I was trying to figure out a tariff refund, right? I guess you see of all this and whatnot. So what was the accusation?

The accusation was that he had shorted tariffs while claiming that tariffs are going to work. Yeah, the accusation was that he stood to make a lot of money from tariffs being struck down. Why don't you put that into perplexity, Jamie? Find out if that's accurate, and let it scour the internet and stuff us doing it. God, I love AI. Yeah, it is.

I can't wait until it takes over government. It's going to be awesome. After a while, you're like, I don't know if it could be much worse than what humans are doing with government. It's going to be better. It's not going to be greedy.

“Well, as long as it determines that human life is valuable,”

I feel like it's really the, the big humans. Well, it's beyond us, you know, some homeless guys taking a shit on your drag war. Is that guy really valuable? Yeah, but you know, but to AI, we all might be homeless guys taking a shit. Did you see that there was these San Francisco tech guys, and they got trapped in their way mo,

because a homeless guy started attacking the way mo and yelling at them. Why are you paying robots? No. Yeah, you're a trader, you're paying robots, you're paying the robots. The homeless guy was excited about this.

The homeless guy was attacking the way mo. The tech guys were in the way mo. We were terrified for our life. We feared our safety, because they're, they're being attacked by a crazy person, saying you shouldn't be giving money to robots.

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It's not the worst source. It's the best source. It's the best source. Him and that dude, what's his name? James Lee.

He's our other number one source of information. Conspiracy theorist. There you go. There you go. Another one, a waymo, a gal God in. And there's a fucking homeless guy in the trunk.

Because apparently the last person when they left their waymo,

they opened the trunk to get their luggage out and they never closed it.

So the homeless guy hopped into their fucking waymo. And it was in the trunk. So she gets you orders a waymo. She climbs in. There's a homeless guy in the trunk.

The waymo is like, that's unacceptable. Yeah. Oh, you think? Okay. The main claim is that canter fits Gerald.

Howard Lentenx former firm now chaired by his son, stood to profit by buying tariff refund rights that only became valuable of Trump's tariffs were overturned. But the firm insisted ultimately did not execute those trades. What critics say happened.

Investigators and reporter reporting notably by wire, described Cantor Fitzgerald exploring a business where it would buy the rights to future tariff refunds from importers for about 20 or 30 cents on the dollar. Internal material cited in those reports suggested Cantor had capacity to trade

several hundred million dollars of these refund rights,

and that already facilitated at least one trade of around ten million dollars in rights under the IEEPA tariffs. The idea was that, of course, later struck down the tariffs, the government would have to refund duties. And Cantor or its clients would collect the full refund while the original importers

only kept a small upfront payment. So, why is this seen as a conflict? Is it true? So, it just said that they executed on one, right? Didn't it say that?

Scroll back up. Yeah. It says internal material cited in those reports suggested Cantor had capacity to trade, and had already facilitated at least one trade of around ten million dollars in rights. It's only ten million.

Let it go, Dave. That is small potatoes. That's what we're talking about. Yeah, these kind of guys. Uh-huh.

What Cantor and let Nick side say, Cantor Fitzgerald has publicly stated, that while some salespeople explored, I like that in quotes, brokerate tariff refund rates at 2025,

or taken any position on tariff refund claims, calling contrary reports false. And it's a follow-up recording, has echoed, that Cantor considered products tied to the Supreme Court tariff ruling,

but ultimately backed off in part because of the political optics.

Don't look at that's a big, uh, around let Nick's government job. Ladies' coverage is no public evidence that Cantor actually book profits from this strategy, though the investigations and congress are ongoing, and focus on whether there was any attempted or potential profit here. Are you more interested in the ethics conflicts of interest here,

“or than nuts and bolts about the secondary tariff refund market works financially?”

No, so it seems like we don't really have evidence. Well, it'll be interesting. I mean, if, uh, which is probably gonna happen, um, but the Democrats take the house in the Senate in the midterm elections this year.

I mean, they're gonna be in, that'll just be the next two years of politics. It'll be investigations. And some definitely just over to, she just took over the seat in Trump's neighborhood, where Mara Logo is, so Democrat lady just won. Yep.

Yeah. Well there's these. Yeah. I mean, look, they, in his first term, they impeached them twice for absolute bullshit. So they'll go after them for anything.

But I have a feeling now, there's probably a lot more for them to investigate and work on stuff like this, and the meme, coin, stuff, and, you know, whatever business deal. You know, I don't, I don't have the details at the top of my mind, but I do know that they said at one point that Jared Kushner would not be involved in this administration at all, because he does so much business over there, and it's just like, so they were like,

oh, no, no, no, he won't, but now he totally is. It's him and Whitkoff are like the lead negotiators in this too. So just a lot of meat on the bone for Democrats to make big political theater out of for the next two years. Is there any where that's not corrupt? I mean, when we look at the insider trading in Congress,

we look at all these slimy deals that get made with NGOs. You look at every, it's like everything's dirty. There's not one part of government, like, right there, they nailed it. Yeah, well, that is true. Like, maybe the post office.

That's, I mean, post office is pretty fucking good, dude. Yeah, compared to all the rest of it, sure.

“You get us a letter moved across the whole country for, like, what is it, like, 30 cents?”

How much is a stamp these days? That's true. If, I mean, I don't know if you include the cost on the back end, like the taxes that pay for the whole thing. Maybe it's a little more expensive, but relatively speaking. Yeah.

The pellet, you can get, you know, some of that. Not bad organization. Sure.

In terms of government organizations, you never hear, except going postal.

I used to be a thing, remember those days? Yes, I did. It was a while. Like, where so many post officers went so crazy and started shooting people that they started calling it going postal.

But it never, it just went away. Yeah, young people, if you're listening to this and you don't know what we're talking about. In our day, we didn't have school shootings. Okay. We had to do it the old fashion way.

You had to drive a postman crazy until few went around shooting people. And it happens several times to the point that that became a thing. Like, these crazy postal workers. There was a video came called postal. What, what you run around shooting people?

It was in the 90s. Yeah. That would be about the time period. Was it the first one came out in '97? Yeah.

Yeah. It was, like, highly criticized.

“They were like, weren't they, like, cartoon-looking characters?”

Can you see if you pull up a video of posts? It was like, they, like, South Park-looking characters. Just blasted people. So it felt like less, if I remember correctly, or maybe that's the box. Oh.

And I've ever played it. Maybe I've played it. Oh, this is gone postal. No. Isn't everywhere.

This looks way better than '99. But this wasn't the 90s for sure. Is this the new postal? That might have been a newer version right there. Oh, Jesus.

It was just right around Jack and people. Yeah. So it was like the first Grand Theft Auto, really. Kind of. I mean, Grand Theft Auto came out around then, too, actually.

It didn't look like this, then, though. But real weird, though, right? That post-office workers were just killing a bunch of people. That's what it looked like. Like that.

Okay. This is, this is what it looked like. It didn't look like that other thing. It was like, uh, it wasn't a first person thing. It was like, you're seeing it from above and just run around killing everyone.

I've played a postal though. That was the first person like that. Maybe they had more versions of it. Also, I don't want to show because they don't know what's to be some bad stuff on there. Yeah.

Bravo, boys. New to do anything. Dude, video games really are like crack. They're a problem. I love your, you had a ran about that years ago about how, like,

the problem is that they're so much fun.

They're not accomplished with anything. Yep. The last video game I got into was a UFC 3. And I loved that game. I just loved it.

And then meet, like, I think it was, like, I got married. My wife got pregnant.

I just can't. I'm going to say it.

“So I was at, um, the, the dojo of comedy was a club in, uh, New Jersey.”

Great club. They have an L1, too. Oh, dude. Okay. I'm triply.

Oh, yeah. So, uh, so I was at the one in Jersey and they have in the green room. They have UFC 3. And I was like, Oh, that's the game that I got really into. So I was there for a weekend.

And I mean, I just, the whole time I was there, just in the green room playing this video game. And I was like, it was like a feeling almost like, like a drug addict who's around their drug of choice. Where I was like, I need to be away from that. Like, I will play this until I kill myself. It's so much fun.

It's a problem. Robby Lawler, fighting, you know, whoever. And just, and they keep getting better. Yeah, I know. Well, I didn't, I stopped at that.

So I never even like learned how to play the new ones.

But like, I never, UFC game of the yet now. Five and five. The graphics keep getting better. The movement keeps getting more natural. Yeah.

And the first person shooters man. Who was the dude? No. Was it Joe, Joe Lose on? I want to say.

Was that? Was the one 55? Yeah. Really good grappler. Yeah.

“Wasn't his thing like he was obsessed with video games.”

And then he went, I got to just do something else instead of this. So I just did GG. So he just got like amazing GG too. I swear I think that was his story. I could be misremembering this.

But I swear I heard him talk about this in an interview once. And that they was just like, I just played video games all day all night.

And then eventually I was like, I got to do something productive with this.

So he just started doing GG instead. I wonder what he's up to these days. He was a fun fighter to watch. Fun, fun dude like in person too. Him and his brother used to beat the fuck out of each other on the yard.

Like in the front yard. They would have like full on MMA fights. Like full power. They just beat the piss out of each other in the front yard. I was like, boys.

Save it. Like save that whale on each other. That's a crazy. It's a young man's game. They had to wake a bunch of guys hanging around.

Look like it was a picnic or something like that. They decided, let's spice this picnic up. You and me fight motherfucker. And they would fight. But fight fight.

But all across this country, there are boys fighting in their yard. And that was of the highest level of yard fighting. I mean, that was top one percent. Wow. That was to like legit MMA professionals.

Yeah. To legit MMA professionals or mad at each other. Cause they're in the house with each other all the time. Shut the fuck. You didn't fucking do that.

Dude fucking. He was supposed to put that shit away. Yeah. Yep. You ate my food.

Yeah. They both ended up being real fun fighters to watch. Oh yeah. Yeah. Joe was awesome.

He was a great fighter. Yeah. He had a lot of fights in the UFC too. Yep. And I think he got to, you know.

How many years is he in? A guy, a guy. I want to say he was at least in the UFC for like around decade. Yeah. Yeah.

He had a pretty long career. Yeah. Because he was fighting. I mean, he fought. I don't know.

I mean, he fought like in the whole.

“Like I think when he started was like B.J. Penn era of lightweight.”

And then he fought into like Anthony Pettas was the champion. Yeah. Pull up Lose on Wikipedia. Find out when he retired.

Well, he's just first fight was September 23rd, 2006.

And I think it's his last first 2018. Mmm. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy.

2019. Whew. Some of these guys just don't. They just don't want to stop. This is too fun.

It's a very hard job to keep going for a while. Maybe the hardest. Yeah. You know, like on your body. Oh yeah.

Other than football. There's a lot of those guys in the NFL. They only lost a couple of years. Yeah. For sure.

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Well, I guess, like professional football. There's a similar aspect to where, like, you're not just, I mean, look, you can go to the hospital from basketball. You know, you can get to hurt and get a bad injury. But the NFL or the UFC, you kind of, like, you know every time you go into it, like, there's a very reasonable chance. You're leaving here on a stretcher to go to the hospital.

But particularly with MMA, it's the most unforgiving sport where, like, you're one mistake. One mistake away from, like, you know, like, if LeBron James misses a wide open lay-up, he runs back on defense and tries to, you know, get a block or something on the next play. But in MMA, you could be dominating, fighting a perfect fight, make one mistake, and it's like, okay, you're unconscious now.

Yep. Come on, I was way ahead in the fight. It's in the fifth round.

“I think there's, like, 20 seconds to go or something crazy.”

And Leon just plants one, a perfect head kick. Yeah. And it was the perfect, and John Anick makes the perfect call. You know, like, something he had been said about him, maybe deciding, you know, to quit. And then John Anick says, but that is not the cloth from which he was cut.

Yeah. He had a kick knock out. It's like, come on, man, is this real?

One of the most amazing MMA championship knockouts ever.

Oh, ever, ever. And then just his, his post-fights beach. Look at me now. Look at me now. And then comes back and wins the rubber match.

Yeah. Which was like, it's an interesting thing how much, you know, like, well, first off, like, getting knocked out cold like that, and, you know, better than me, but like, that does a number to your body. Like, that's not, you're not logically. Well, psychologically and also, I think, physically.

Um, and then also just like the confidence that that gave Leon Edwards going into the next fight. Right. Like, just changes everything now. Um, yeah.

“Come on, we had to be very careful, because he knew it.”

Anyway, he dodged most of the big ones until the big one landed. Yep. So in his head in that fight, he had a narrative. And that narrative completely changed with one head kick. So going into the next fight, the narrative is now, if you fuck up,

you will be unconscious. You can't get knocked unconscious again. And he fought much more cautiously. Yeah. In the second fight.

I remember seeing that with, um, I felt like you could watch that when, uh, doesn't pour you a

fought con or McGregor the second time.

Like, you know, McGregor had knocked him out years earlier. Mm-hmm. And you could kind of see, you know, like, you could see Dustin. I'm not saying like he was nervous or anything. He's like one of the greatest fighters ever.

But you could kind of just see, like, he gets in there and he starts to, and he takes a couple shots from Connor and he's still there, you know, and then he lands a couple shots. And you could see, like, in that first round, like his confidence growing. Like, you almost got to get that out of your head. That is like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy beat you back then.

But you're a different guy now. Well, with Connor, it's all about weathering the initial storm. Yeah. The initial storm is crazy. He's so explosive, so fast, so accurate.

And then another part about that second fight was Dustin setting up those Catholics, specifically because both of those guys fight Southpaw. And when you both fight Southpaw, if you're a Southpaw, like Dustin, a lot of times

“the Catholics not really available, like you have to, you have to throw it with a switch.”

Or it doesn't have the same sort of potential. Right. It's slightly different potential when you exchanging it in combinations. But with Connor, it was wide open because Connor is two things going on. One is his Southpaw.

Also, he had just gotten up to Floyd Mayweather fight. He's very boxing heavy, not just, but a while back. But he had really concentrated on striking with his hands. His hands were elite. So because of that, your stance is a little wider and you're putting a little bit more weight on your legs.

Yeah.

And he always had a wide stance.

Anyway, he had that karate stance. But crazy thing about that is the calf kick really didn't become a big deal. Even until Connor was a superstar. Like it was after that. That's how recent it is.

Yeah, it's very strange that that was almost like a thing that didn't get figured out until so recently. And then just totally changed everything like, at this point, you rare, nothing you never see it. But you pretty rarely see guys kick guys in the thigh anymore. Well, and no, but I mean, like compared to what it used to be, where it used to be like that was that was what a leg kick was. Yes.

For many years in MMA. And now it's, I'd say like the majority of leg kicks are targeting the calf. Like you'll see almost like a thigh kick almost just to switch it up a little bit. You guys got really good at taking those. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, you got really good at being conditioned. And you know, we also saw a few leg breaks. Right. We saw the Anderson Silva won. We saw the Chris Wydeman won.

It's been a few leg breaks from guys. Just full power leg kicking the thigh. And then someone just lifts up their knee a little bit and takes it on the right. Where the shin bone meets the kneecap is where they like to catch it. And boy, I've seen way too many of those.

I've seen a bunch in person, but because of the internet, I've seen dozens and dozens of small promotions where a guy throws that kick wrong. Really hard. And the guy checks it. And his fucking foot just wraps around the leg.

Yeah. See it dangling there. You're like, oh no. I've seen you recognize the thing. Like that injury is so recognizable.

Like I've seen it so many times now. I see it. I just go, oh, it's going to wrap around the calf. I've seen a flop. He's going to fall down.

I've seen it several times on internet videos and UFC fights. I've only once seen a guy continue to talk shit about the other guy after from the ground. Which is the crazy shit ever do. Everyone else I've seen is like crying in pain. And Connor is talking about your wife's.

Whatever. Your wife's.

He's an animal.

Yeah, he's a one of a kind.

He's a one of a kind. Apparently made a post on his Instagram saying he's back. And if it's true, that would be awesome. That would be awesome. The idea is his suspension for whatever he took before is up.

So. Yeah. What was it? Something.

“What was someone I think was Douglas Murray when he wrote that article about me.”

He said. Mr. Confidence returns to see fighting again. Call your grandma. Nanny, we did it. Watch and pay me.

Fuck you pay me. You fat Irish prick. You don't have my money. I put your brain to sleep. Who's that?

What's that about? Who's he talking about?

See is in the casinos after the Mac loves you as all.

I got love four years. It's an all it's an honor. It's light work. It's easy for life and eternity. It's McGregor.

Drunk was he would you wrote this? I do this fight game. Easy peasy. The sound of my shots off the head. Go ping and green dot laser form.

Okay. Well, I really hope he is actually back. I hope it's true. It'd be fun to see it. It'd be a lot of times.

It'd be a lot of fun. Great personality. Yeah. That's right. There's no one even close.

I mean, he's the most dynamic personality. He's the most dynamic personality. I mean, he's the most dynamic personality. I mean, he's the most dynamic personality. He's the most dynamic personality.

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Because that whole card was just stacked. And that is the main event was just unbelievable. He was in the matrix. He was in the matrix. He was just in the zone.

You know, Dana said it best. He's like, that kid eats pressure. He's like, because even, like, on his first fight ever, if you watch his first fight in the UFC,

“against a like, brimage, I think the guy's name is.”

And he was a relatively unknown at the time. But dude, the place is going nuts. He already had made so much kind of like street cred for himself. And then the Irish thing, like, the Irish were really, really into it.

But he, from in the very first fight, he would always create these moments,

where it's like, dude, this is going to be the biggest spectacle that you, my opponent, has ever been in in their career. Like, I'm going to get you mad with shit talking. I'm going to get the fan so excited because he's completely comfortable there. Like, I'm not sure if you're really comfortable with it.

But I'm, and so it would, and even with, with Aldo, who had been the entire division. He, literally, when they started the division, they started him as champion. He didn't even win it. He came in because they also used to be so busy.

So he was the entire featherweight division, had just dominated everyone. And he even created such a moment that like, like, Aldo was like, uh, he was the bogeyman. Yeah, dude. He was incredible. So he's one of the greatest featherweight of all time.

But he got him to the point where he was like so furious. He was like, I'm going to take this fucking guy's head off and then Connor's just like, relax. Yeah. Like, like, he didn't care about any of the shit talking. He was like, yeah, we're having fun.

Let's play. He lost his composure. Yeah, and he looked, he looked very overwhelmed by the moment. And all in, by the way, everyone from Ireland came to Vegas for that fight. It was the nutty thing I've ever seen in my fucking life. The entire Mandalay Bay was overcome with Irish people.

I mean, overcome, like, you couldn't move. There was nothing but Irish people everywhere. And they were singing. Yeah. They were all singing together in the halls of this gigantic casino, packed,

but like the weightten in line for something. And they were just their party and for Connor.

“I remember, I think it was when I want to say it was when--”

Like, look at all these people. Yeah, it was nuts, dude. Well, this is nuts, man. They were all Irish people. Like, you got to realize nobody had a following like him.

Like, this is actually Irish people for the Floyd May with a fight. They were still right or die with him even for that fight. I think it was when he fought Dennis Seever, I want to say. I think I'm in Boston. So I went with Louis J. Gomez, my good friend.

hilarious comedian. And he, me and him went to some Irish bar to what? Like, we just happened to be in Midtown Manhattan. And we were like, oh, the fights are coming on to other planet at this bar. You know, it was just like an Irish pub. And dude, I mean, it wasn't even that big of a bar.

They must, I mean, it was shoulder to shoulder Irish people, losing their fucking minds. Like, it was the most fun environment to watch a fight in

all that singing and chanting seem like everyone had an Irish flag with them.

Like, it was in a little bar. It was this. That's not, man. Look at that. That's Mandalay Bay.

Wow. Look at this. Oh, that's MGM. Well, they were everywhere. They're probably at every fucking casino.

There was. This is crazy. Imagine, imagine if you, you're from Northern Ireland. [LAUGHTER] You're like, you still remember the troubles?

[LAUGHTER] He was making way to the hotel. Just came to Vegas for a little gambling. You don't follow him and me. You're no fucking idea.

What's this all about? [LAUGHTER] Oh, I have picked our own fucking week for me vacation. [LAUGHTER] Oh, by the way, I was going to say that Douglas Murray's big knock on me

when he wrote his op-ed in New York Post was he goes, you know, Dave goes on Joe Rogan and he talks about foreign policy like he's an expert. But I bet he wouldn't go in there and talk MMA with him because then Joe would recognize he's not an expert. And I was like, we do that all the time. We do that every time.

We do that all the time. That's us, dude. Almost every time we hang out. We end up talking MMA. And like, it probably is fair that, yeah, there'll be moments where you'll correct me if I get something wrong.

So what? But if I get it right, you don't go. You're not an expert. Imagine we don't talk about MMA because you're not an expert. I don't know.

Well, I watch a lot of it. I have some thoughts. Why is he so silly? I love Douglas. I really do.

I've enjoyed talking to him and think he's a brilliant man.

But I was very disappointed with, you've never been.

I've very, very disappointed with that sort of strategy that you shouldn't be talking about these things that are factual. But even more disappointing with that notion, the notion that you would never talk about MMA with me. You think we would, I don't, first of all, I don't think I argue about MMA with anybody. I don't think anybody. If someone has a point about MMA, I don't, I never argue.

I might say, you've corrected me when I've got things wrong. Yeah. Or I might say, I just, like, somebody, some people think that sort of, a certain thing is going to happen. And I'm like, oh, I don't see that. I disagree.

That happens. Sure. But well, also like, it's, whatever point you're making is either a good point or it's not a good point.

“If it's like an objective claim, you know what I mean?”

Like, if I, if I say, like, you know, when, when Vulcanovsky fought Lopez, his jab was crucial. Okay. That's either correct or it's incorrect. Like, whether I'm an expert or not, I'm not an expert on fighting. But I think he's, you can watch the fight, and that would be correct.

Yes. Right. So, well, he doesn't see it. Right. I saw he hit a home run.

You're right. You're not an expert. You're crazy. Well, it's, you know, as a weird, a weird thing during that show was, um, because it's a weird. I don't know.

There's, like, weird incentives. Yeah. It's incentives. It's incentives of the right word. Well, because there's a lot of people that are saying things and you go, why are you saying that?

Yeah. Well, also, from my perspective, I was a little disappointed with it because I kind of thought, I was like, oh, this could be like a really cool thing. Uh-huh. And, and it had been literally, which I don't think I'm saying anything that is, like, betraying

confidence here.

“But the only thing that was ever said to me, I don't know, you called me and you were like,”

what do you think about doing this? And I think I said, yes, before you could finish. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, and then you told me that he had said, hey, he really doesn't want this to devolve into, like, a food fight. He wants to make this like a good, faith thing. And I was like, oh, awesome. And now I feel like he, like, trump Whitkoff negotiated me.

Like he said, uh, he was, because then he came in and the whole thing was about me. He didn't want to talk about the issues at all. He just wanted. And so in a weird way, I was like, well, this sucks because I thought we could have had a really cool thing.

And it was this other part of me that was like, I mean, he's really just handing this to me. You know what I mean? Like he kind of just like gave me the win in a thing that was a big show with a, like, you know, a lot of people, I knew we're going to watch it. I mean, obviously every time I do your show a lot of people are going to watch it.

But that was a particularly big one. Yeah.

And so I was kind of almost like for the first 45 minutes of it, I was kind of sitting there like,

oh, I can't believe he just, he went this route. Well, if you look at it objectively, there weren't a lot of options, right? Yeah. It's very difficult to argue the side that what they're doing.

Like we were talking about Gaza in particular. Yeah. Like the arguing that that's not horrific. And if you're a human being and you recognize that there are, are human beings that are subjected to that government.

Just like you're subjected to ice. You're subjected to Homeland Security, you're subjected to the cops.

“If you're a civilian, you have to listen to these orders.”

So if you're living in Gaza and you're a child or you're a woman. And you live, you're not Hamas. Okay. And the idea that you're responsible for October 7, even if you're one of the people that cheered in the street.

If everybody else is cheering the street.

If you're fucking terror for your life.

“And you have to like keep your safety intact.”

And like you've got to kind of go along with whatever everybody else is doing. And I'm not saying it's, that's good. But when you look at how that place is leveled. I mean, the most recent videos that I've seen were still like a few months old. So I don't know if it's stopped, do they stop bombing?

I don't know what's going on. No, they've slowed down a bit, but they haven't stopped. Okay. There was nothing left, man. And that represents people's homes.

That represents schools, that represents hospitals. There's no way you can argue that that's not horrific. Yeah. So you stuck. That's right.

That's right. It's kind of indefensible. And so instead you pivot to arguing against this guy, rather than against the issue. Well, I think that, you know, it's in, I can't remember if this was in the letter to America, or this was in his declaration of war against America.

But Osama bin Laden literally said that civilians are fair targets. That's because you guys have elections and you vote for these politicians. And they're the ones who conduct these wars that slaughter innocent Muslims.

“So like just saying, it's the logic of Osama bin Laden to say that civilians are responsible for what?”

And in Gaza, like, they don't even really have a government. Hamas is not a government. They don't have a regular election. They had one election back in '05 or '06 or whatever it was, which Hamas did not even win a majority's of. They, they won on pluralities, you know what I mean?

And so the idea that you're holding these people responsible for Hamas just doesn't make any sense. And just on a very basic human level, you just kind of go, and I'm not like in a gallitarian, I'm not saying all people are equal or all cultures are equal or anything like that. But on a very basic human level, like those are real people too. And when a mother is like pulling her sexual dead body out of the rubble,

that's the same exact experience as if your wife was pulling your sexual dead. Like that same thing is happening to her. And once you even just admit that, it does just change the calculation. It changes the calculation to be like, okay, look, the onus is on you to demonstrate that this is absolutely necessary. Like there is no other option than to do it this way.

And that makes defending most wars very difficult. Not all of them, you know, but most wars are very difficult to defend if you just run it through that filter of like, is there any other option other than this? Have you exhausted everything else?

And then of course, in the case with Israel and Palestine, you go, oh, you never even tried to just give them their independence.

You've never tried to just let them out from this occupation and see if maybe that will improve things. And it is there's no crazy that the world didn't at one point in time stand up and say, There's a simple solution here. Like these people should have state. Like why do you get to control them, but they're not as really.

They're, they're a kind of a country. But not really because they're attached to you. Yeah, it's a people. Why don't you guys go buy another country and give it to them and let them have a country or. Yeah, they don't like being attached on the same small patch of dirt to people that have a totally different ideology, I guess.

Well, that's right. And that look, I mean, it's just, but we are. Yeah, we have Canadians right there.

“Yes, but Canadians do get citizenship in their own country, you know?”

They get citizenship here too. Boy, that's the last thing ISIS is looking for. It's fucking Canadians. Oh, yeah. Although your visa is expired and don't worry about it, buddy, get on the plane.

They probably have a much easier time. Like Canadians are going, all right. Guess I gotta go. Well, yeah. Also, they can just ditch the accent and pretend they're Americans and everybody will buy it.

Yeah, that's much easier. Yeah. You know, they could just say, ah, sorry, I don't have my license on me. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, like, okay, buddy, where are you from?

I live in Iowa. Okay, sounds right. That does check out. Get out of here. All right.

Shit, that does check out. Did you see the shit that's going on in the airports?

So are they using the using ICE now at the airports because, first of all?

How many ICE agents are there? Aren't they busy? How do you have time to put them in all the airports? How many fucking airports? It's in low tens of thousands.

There's not that many of them. So like, how many airports are there? There's a lot of airports. Okay. So you're putting ICE in the airports?

We can only use ICE guys. Are you hiring new ICE guys to take the airport jobs? Like, to just take seven weeks to train them. So, they have a surplus of like a ICE factory where they're turning them out and putting them out there. I hurt.

So I didn't see any of them. I flew out here the other day. And I didn't see any of them. But then I did see people saying that they were at that airport. I flew out from later that day.

Up to 150. That's not a lot. Immigration and customs and forced officers were deployed at airports across the United States on Monday. So I, of course, you know, you get on social media.

Some of these sent me something. I'm not sure it was true. But it was like, look at the difference between the lines at the airport before ICE was there. And after ICE was there.

And tell me that only 10 million illegally aliens got in.

“They were like, what is the real, we were talking about this last night?”

Like, what's the real number? What is the real number of the illegals in the United States? We don't know. You were saying something about Anne Colter. Yeah, well, she had, um, and this was from a while ago.

So this was, well, she had, she had in her book, audio, some America. She had, I believe it was from Bayer Sterns. I could be wrong. Double-checking on that was one of the big finance companies that they had put a thing where like,

they put it between like 30 and 50 million total in the country. And 50 is why. Yeah, and this is before Joe Biden and them. No, I don't know. Maybe they got those numbers wrong.

This is before Bites. What year was this book? I want to say 2014, 2015. Oh my god, this 10 years. Yeah, so a lot of them, a lot of them have come in since then.

Well, if these 10 million, they believe, came in through the Biden administration.

Yeah, over four years. Well, I remember the numbers being like during the Biden administration where they'd be like, it was something like last month, there were 700,000 border apprehensions. And you're like, well, geez, then how many were just floating? And you'd see those big caravans coming in and stuff.

I mean, look, it's a huge, that still is a huge scandal. And as much as I have really been really criticizing Trump and the Trump administration since last summer, you know, he's done a good job in securing the border. That is the one thing that like you kind of got to give him. And he got that secured right away, but it is even if you think that it should be open

and those people should be able to travel freely. They should. There's no one's illegal on stolen land. That kind of shit. You know, much text trafficking happened during that time of children.

Yeah. Let me children were traffic that way. You know, we children were dragged across the border and sold to psychopaths. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's horrible.

I mean, I saw, um, oh, there's animals with at least 15,

at least 50 million illegals in the country today.

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Wow. The book is even older. The book is like, the book is from before. I want to say 2015, but it's around that. It's around that.

It is crazy. Uh, that's crazy. Supposedly, this is the book that got Donald Trump on the immigration issue. Uh, at least I've heard. I first and culture say that before.

Maybe that's right. Maybe that's not right. But um, but yeah, I mean, look, it's like, it's also a particularly, it's a, it's a profound, like, act of, of treachery for a government to do that to its own.

Like, to allow that and really facilitate that to happen against the will of the domestic population. Like, if you were to, I've tried to look this up before. I was trying to figure this out because I did a big immigration debate last year. Um, or maybe the year before. And I was trying, you can't even get numbers on what the polling on open borders is,

because no one even asked the question in polling. Because it's like, they asked like, do you think immigration policy should be less restrictive or more restrictive? Right, because the number of people who support open, but it's like maybe 1% of the country supports that. It's as unified in issue is anyone could have that. No, you can't just have the border wide open.

Right. And so to do that to the American people against the, like, you, you drastically change the country in a way that is not really. There, it's not easy to just undo. I mean, as we've seen, right?

Donald Trump backed off a nasty deportations almost immediately. Um, because big business doesn't want it.

“And then because look like the level of violence that you need to just physically deport 50 million people”

is going to be something that the American people just aren't going to put up with. I mean, you even see in Minnesota. And rightfully so I completely understand that that you see, like, you know, I saw one thing. I saw that Trump had asked the ice agents who were going to the airports to not wear their masks.

And I was like, is that even a, that's even an option? Or would they be masked in the airport? Because they're ice agents. Yeah, they get doxed. Well, that's their concern. I look, I understand that.

I understand that concern. I understand that concern. I understand that concern. But at the same time, you know, there is a balancing act there. And, you know, a lot of people, like a lot of right wingers will say,

Hey, look, if you're, you know, if you came here illegally, then that's a crime. You're here illegally. That's the law. And hey, I get that argument. But also the Supreme Law of the Land is the constitution of the United States of America.

And I've seen a ton of videos where there were masked ice agents. Not even identifying themselves.

“Going up to people, telling them that you have to answer my questions.”

You don't have an option to walk away, which is like, not what was my take on it.

that don't have a warrant on the streets in militarized situations.

Because if they're using it for this, which you agree to, that opens up the door for them to use it because you won't take your vaccine or because you did this or did that or whatever the fuck it is. If a different person gets in power, maybe they're going to use it for something you don't support. It's just not something you're supposed to accept. That's right.

You don't want to know something that someone told me that is, this is a very credible source that I can't reveal with the sources. But they told me that there are people in this country and not just a few, but many, many that are affiliated with terrorist organizations. Good directly affiliated, but they've applied for asylum. And because they've applied for asylum, you can't deport them until they go through the entire process.

That is wild. That is wild. So there's people that are known at least terrorist sympathizers. They're in community direct communication with terrorist networks. They've done things with terrorist networks and they've applied for asylum.

“So you have to go through this long-ass process through the legal system.”

And it's up to a judge whether or not this person who may or may not be a part of a fucking sleeper cell gets to stay in America.

Yeah, suicidal empathy. That's what God said calls it. You know, I think he's right. I think he's got a fair point there with suicidal empathy in terms of the idea of like that we, that we cannot say on some level that it's like,

"No, look, we have a desire to preserve our society." And we want to do what's bad. We don't have to out of some feeling of guilt. Turn our country into something worse than what it otherwise would be. So I think he's got a point there.

I think, and look, I'm not a big fan of Gad. He literally just him and Sam Harris and a few others. They literally just trashed me all the time and refused to engage on a single thing I've said. So like it'll just be.

He calls me Wikipedia Dave on Twitter. And it's a, well, look, I like the guy. Look, I got a different relationship with him than you do. Well, that's true. And I'm a big critic of Israel and he's a massage agent.

So there is that. That is part of what you think is. He's admitted that he worked from a side. Yeah. In the past?

Yes. Yes. Yes. I guess he would say he's not part of it. He retired.

Yeah. I should work for Newport Creamery. Yeah. I think it's a little bit different with the massage things. But I also think that the, the big component that I think all of

those guys are missing is that we also create more enemies with our foreign policy. And that's not to say that like, you know,

they always kind of caricature my position on this.

Like, I'm not saying Islam is all peaceful. And there are no problems in the Islamic world or anything like that. In fact, I don't think any religion is truly always been peaceful. But, you know, for guys like, say like Sam Harris, who these kind of like pretend intellectuals who have spent,

he spent his entire career talking about how violent and irrational the Muslims are and how you can't even draw a cartoon of Muhammad or Muslims want to do violent stuff. And like, hey, fair enough, that's bullshit.

“And we should all say like, if you want to be over here in the West,”

our values are free speech and you cannot kill people for cartoons. But then, like, none of them ever also go, hey, you know, murdering an ayatola might be dangerous during Ramadan. Yeah, like that is, you know, that is not just a political figure to Shiite Muslims.

That is the same time. It's like, okay, I'm fine with saying, okay, you don't want to have suicidal empathy. My buddy Keith Knight, who's brilliant, works over at the Libertarian Institute.

He had, I forget what he said, but he said something like, okay, I don't want to have suicidal empathy. Let's also not have homicidal empathy, you know? And so like, maybe it also is like, as we were tying into that whole conversation with nom, okay, thanks.

With the whole thing about the kids and women in Gaza, it's like, it's also the fact that if you just view slaughtering Muslim children in the Middle East and in northern Africa

“as like just an acceptable political price, you know?”

That's just collateral damage. And unfortunately that happens when we pursue this policy. You're going to deal with more and more of that. And the combination of both, Joe, like the combination of having open borders,

having all these people getting and continuing the war on terrorism and slaughtering people in these numbers, must be the most insane combination. Yeah. The idea that you'd be like, we're going to, you know,

we're going to just make an entire generation of Muslims hate us

And also, we'll welcome all of them in with no checks

and we can't get rid of them when they come here. Yeah. That is quite a combination. Yeah, it's all of nuts. It's the same thing.

I should clarify this because he's apparently talked about me again recently on Bill Mar. We didn't not talk because it was his idea. It was me. He wanted to do a podcast with me.

He wanted to do a COVID wrap-up to go over everything that happened, all the mistakes that were made in his position, my position. Because that's where we kind of like separate.

He was very pro-vaccine. I said, I won't do that until you talk to Brett Weinstein that you need to talk to Brett. Like, Brett, you disparaged him publicly.

“I think you said things that weren't correct.”

Do you call them a conspiracy theorist? And you said you wouldn't platform him because it's dangerous. I don't believe that's true.

I believe the problem is that Sam was incorrect

about both the effectiveness and the safety of the COVID vaccines. Brett was correct. And Brett didn't insult Sam. Sam but insulted Brett. Brett said things about Sam since, but it was Sam.

And I said, look, you got to talk to him first. You can't just talk to me. Especially because he's an actual evolutionary biologist. He understands these things. He knows what he's talking about.

He said multiple conversations with high-level vaccinologists and all these different people that worked on the mRNA vaccines. Like, he was correct. We all know that now.

We know that all the things that he was talking about, whether it's masking doesn't work, social distancing, the offense, locked down, all the above, all the above. He didn't want to talk to Brett.

And I said, that doesn't make sense to me. Like, you talked to everybody. You have debates with Muslims on stage. Yeah, that's right. That doesn't make any sense.

Like, why wouldn't you talk to Brett? I don't think he wanted to talk to Brett

“because I don't, I think he didn't want to talk to Brett”

because Brett's right. Yeah. I think it's indefensible. No, I completely agree. I mean, you know, I had a--

By the way, don't hate Sam. You know, you could say all the crazy shit you want. He also said, like, I don't think he should interview Gaddafi. Guess what?

I would. If Gaddafi was alive, 100% I would interview Gaddafi. Gaddafi. Do you ever hear Russell Crowe talk about Gaddafi? I don't think so.

He did a clip that went viral that was on the show. We talked about why they wanted to get rid of Gaddafi. Right. And like, whether he talked about how evil Gaddafi was and how he subjugated his people, you can't say we can find that.

Russell Crowe on Gaddafi. He wanted to create a United States of Africa. Yeah. He wanted to get him on the gold standard. He wanted to get him off the US dollar.

He had some very dangerous ideas.

“He also supported Palestinian resistance.”

Yeah, that was it. There's no sound thing in there. Oh, there it is. Here it is. We were taught, for example, to regard Gaddafi in a certain way.

Okay. But if you look into what happened in his country while he was the leader, you look into the fact that every person is given a house at a certain age. You look at the fact that everybody's education and health care is free. You look at if somebody showed a particular talent for something,

they're required for the education overseas. All of the costs that were paid for by the government. Now, these are all things put in place by the same country's leader that we're told is evil and corrupt. Yeah.

So it doesn't quite balance. Well, there's also US government interference. That's a, that is one that we definitely monkeyed with. I mean, he ran a foul of the United States government. We would talk for it.

Yeah. There was the famous clip with Hillary. I showed a friend of mine the other day that he hadn't seen it. He couldn't believe it was real. Yeah.

What she was on this show.

And she gets unconfirmed information first that they got Gaddafi.

And then she gets confirmed that he's dead. And she goes, "We came, we saw he died." She was so excited about it. But laughing. And then that led to Olivia, at least for a while,

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“And I believe Obama wrote in his book that he was 50 50.”

And that Hillary really pushed him to that. And he said his big regret was that he didn't think about what came next after Good afternoon. So now we haven't learned that lesson yet.

Like after Iraq, you never thought of that.

Listen, but thank God Trump's figured it out. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Trump's figured it out. We'll go in this drastic new direction of getting the seventh war.

They won't be a pussy Dave. Chris. Did you see I won't, I don't know what military expert was on television. You said something about we need a fan of boots on the ground like Rome. Like hey, fucker.

Rome didn't have nuclear weapons and drones. Rome didn't have drones that hunt you. Yeah. We talked about boots on the ground. Should we fight with swords?

Should we get everybody to fight with swords? Is that what you're saying? The fuck are you saying? Well, also like what? What even is the plan with boots on the ground?

Like what are you talking about here? You're going to take an island. You're going to be a target. You're going to be target practice as long as the Iranian regime is still standing. And if you're talking about militarily occupying the country like we did with Iraq or Afghanistan or something like that,

this is a huge country with 92 million people.

How many soldiers do you think you need? To occupy that country. And at least half a million and probably can't do it with that. So what are you talking about here?

“So you're saying, are we going to start a draft for the least popular war going in an American history?”

Yeah. Because I don't think that's happening. This is maybe slightly more popular than Vietnam. Going in, it's less. I'm sure Vietnam by the end was very, very unpopular.

But Vietnam going in didn't make any sense. Did it? I guess the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Most people in America were like, why are we doing this? What's going on? You're drafting people to go to Vietnam.

We're fighting communism in Vietnam. What? Well, they called it Vietnam syndrome that the American people had, which is that we didn't want to fight a war again after that. That's from their perspective.

That's a syndrome. And there's, it's really something. They think, by the way, Ben Shapiro used the same line called, he said, Trump finally broke a rack war syndrome. Because they think, see, from Ben Shapiro's perspective,

the illness is after you lie the American people into a war

and slaughter a million people.

The illness isn't that. That you might look at that as the bad part. But the bad part is that these annoying Americans have this tendency to not want to do that again after that. But he claims Trump has broken a rack war syndrome.

Of course, there's really no evidence with support of the American people that has changed at all. And the George H.W. Bush was said to have defeated Vietnam war syndrome in Panama and in Iraq. Because they were relatively easy, bloodless on the American side,

or very, very limited injuries and deaths. And they weren't like Quagmaras that went on forever, whatever. But of course, after the Persian Gulf War in '92, we went on to be bombing Iraq for ever since, essentially. You know, I mean, for 30 straight years after that.

Well, we were still at war with that country. Thank for a million people being done. What is public support? Let's put that into our sponsor, Proplexity. What is current public support for the Iran war in America?

And first of all, how did it know? No, it was asked me. You know what I'm saying? That's a fair point.

“Like that's what I always say about polls.”

One last time he answered a poll. One last time anybody called you up and said, Dave first of all, one last time you were picked up the phone. If you didn't know who was calling. And then when you do answer,

one last time he said yes to a poll. I don't even remember ever getting called. It has to be the dumbest of dumb people that answered those polls. So then you got to realize out of those stupid fucking idiots, even how many of them think the war's going to do?

It's even unpopular amongst them. I mean, what does it say here?

And thank U.S. military actions gone too far.

“A Quinnipack poll finds 54% what is Quinnipack?”

Quinnipack poll finds 54% of U.S. voters oppose U.S. military action against Iran. And 39% support it. I'm wondering how many little 39% or two. And not too much. We don't have the numbers.

A poll reports about six in right. What is the number of Jewish people in America? Two percent. Something like that. Six in ten adults say U.S. military actually against Iran has gone too far. Only about a quarter say it's been about right.

Twenty five percent.

First of all, you know, whenever you're talking about these kind of things.

It's like, who again, who are we talking about? Who who's asked? Finds Republicans largely support the military action. About 86% support. Whoa.

Yeah. Really? Because I talked to a lot of Republicans and things to terrible idea. While large majorities of Democrats around 92% and independence about 64% oppose it. 92% who are the 8% of Democrats that are like, let's fuck and go.

Maybe they're Jewish. All right. They work for CNN. They work, you know, whatever. CNN thinks it's a good idea.

No. CNN is running cover for Donald Trump during this time. For real? Oh, yeah. No way.

Yeah. They put up a poll the other day. They had a graphic that said 100% of MAGA supports the war in Iran. There's it's like, after all these years. What if they liked it or something like that?

Oh, but hold on a second.

“Is that running cover or is that making them look bad?”

Because most Americans don't support the war and most Democrats, 92% don't support the war. So if that's the case, wouldn't that just make look at these MAGA people or a fucking problem? I guess. Oh, my God.

MAGA GOP view of Trump. Can I hear all he says it, or would it be a problem? Okay. That seems bonkers. It seems bonkers.

Approve 100%. Yeah. How many people do you ask, too? Well, they're two guys with well, look at hats on us. If you notice the way they say this, right?

So they don't just say GOP voters, they say MAGA GOP voters.

And so what they're doing here is that they're filtering who they consider to be MAGA and who they consider to be MAGA are the people who still say they support Donald Trump. But almost like 100% of the people who don't support this war stop supporting Donald Trump over it. But look at this little thing on the bottom, they don't show you.

86% 31% split among non-MAGA. Right. But is that non-MAGA Republicans? Is that what you're saying? No, I think that's non-MAGA Americans.

I believe. Oh, like the whole MAGA thing, it's like how did we're so fractioned as it is, like this all idea of right versus left as it is. And now you've got a MAGA section of the right. It's all just ridiculous, dude.

But it's a way to describe it as anything other than what it is, which is the most unpopular war in American history going into it. And for good reason, he didn't even bother to like sell us on a propaganda campaign about it. He was like the laziest, like just lie, just lie us into it.

Let's just on a fucking firm tin foil hat right now. Let's get a double layer Reynolds wrap, fucking crease the edges, fold it down. Why would he want to do this? Why would he want to look? I am not denying that the regime of Iran is a giant problem.

I am certainly not denying that if I was Israel, I would not want them there. They hate you. They're trying to get a nuclear weapon, they're right there. I get the Israel position. I totally understand how they're so just vehemently in defense of their homeland.

Like they're surrounded by people that hate them, they're the one Jewish country. Everyone else is a Muslim. They don't want to qualify. They don't want to kill them. It's been going on forever.

They think it's in God's word that they have, it's a lot of craziness. I get it.

“Why now, like why now, like what does that make any sense?”

Well, Trump himself has said, which literally this would be like considered an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory, if anyone else had said it. But Donald Trump has openly talked about many times how the Adelson's give them all this money and they come by every day and all they have is another demand on behalf of Israel.

Donald Trump also very early in his political career got in trouble with the Israel lobby and then immediately pivoted to winning their favor back over by saying he would tear up the JCPOA, the around deal that Obama got us into. It looks to me, you know, they're speculation aside, who knows exactly what control they

But it looks to me that after Venezuela and when there were these big street protests and

riots against the regime and around there that they convinced Trump, and this is what Joe Kent, his director of of counterterrorism, as I said too, that they essentially convinced him that this would be the time you could do it swiftly, surgically remove the regime and the people would rise up and overthrow it. And this is what Donald Trump said when he launched this war.

He said this is a regime change and I'm calling on the great people of Iran to rise up and they did. They rose up by at least the hundreds of thousands they were out in Tehran in defense of the regime chanting death to America. Because it turns out when you kill 165 little girls that doesn't make a country go,

we love you. Thank you. But before the bombing there were people in the streets that were protesting and people were killed because that a lot. That's the other thing is that regime is like they clamp down and they do it with public

figures. They killed a very prominent wrestler from Iran. That's really two of them. They killed one a few years back that UFC tried to step in and somehow they're stop up.

But he was also one that was accused of protesting. Well, he listen, I don't know, but this most recent one, I'm not saying this is true at all. I don't trust any governments, but they claimed he killed a few cops.

“That's what the Iranian regime said he was being hung for.”

Now I don't know. Don't restler? Yeah. The wrestler. He was convicted of that, whatever that means and I'm in a malah run corps, you know.

So I'm not saying that's right at all, but I will say this, right? The Donald Trump when he launched this war and there's been a whole lot of just false claims that have been made. But he said specifically that they killed 32,000 protesters. There has not been a shred of evidence presented to back up this claim.

Now I'm not saying it's not true. I'm not putting it past this government that they would do that and they've acknowledged that a lot of people have died. I think the last I had seen was that I know they were saying the government of Iran is before the Iotola was killed.

They were saying it was something like 3,000 people had died. And then the CIA, when they did, doesn't mean they killed that's unclear. That's not what they are claiming, but then the CIA, at least there was a piece in the Washington, excuse me, in the Wall Street Journal, where they had said, and this was like a week and a half into it, that they estimated like six and a half thousand or something

like that. But this is a huge question, right? And it's not clear at all. Like were they lining people up and just executing them for the crime of protesting. They hung the wrestler.

Something the people who have been killed here ran protests, death toll could top 30,000 according to local health officials. And this is from time magazine. As many as 30,000 people could have been killed in the streets of Iran on January 8th and 9th alone to see their officials of the country's ministry of health told time indicating

a dramatic surge in the death toll. So many people were slaughtered by Iranian security services that Thursday and Friday at overwhelm the state's capacity to dispose of the dead. Stocks of body bags were exhausted, the official said, in 18 wheel semi-trailers replaced ambulances.

Now, Liz, an all I'm saying here, man, is that you've got to be, I just seen this movie play out a lot of times.

“You have to be really careful about these accusations that are made in the run up to a war.”

They're basically saying, we have a source who told us this.

What year was this? I mean, you're seasoning what date was this? Yeah, so the protests started in late December and then in January. This is what the time was unable to independently verify these figures. Right.

Listen, the claim being made here, right, is that it look in this point, they said, in two days, in two days, 30,000 people were killed. If that is true, that is up there with one of the biggest massacres in human history. The biggest massacres during World War II were like a round that. And as of Saturday, US-based human rights activist news agency had confirmed 5,459 deaths

and is investigating 17,000 more. Yes. So that's at least close. So we're in the 20s just if what their investigating turns out to be accurate. If that's the case, but we're talking also here, Joe, about like any defunded US-based

NGOs who are really around hawks, you know? And so, and I'm just saying, look, the claim here is that around, you know, I saw a bunch

of the Zionists online when this was first coming out, the back in January, they were like,

"Oh my God, they've already killed half as many people as died in Gaza in just a couple days."

“And you're like, right, that's a pretty, that's a hell of a claim, right?”

I mean, like, if you just from following wars all these years, if you started carpet bombing

death toll you'd be looking at.

Well, so the thing was, we don't, they don't have internet access. Well, they shut down the internet during that period. Yeah. But there were pictures that came out on things, that if you had numbers like that, you would expect there to be some evidence that you could point to.

And there's like one picture where they've pointed to like a couple dozen body bags and been like, "See, look at this." But look, I'm a, maybe it's true, maybe it's not. I'm very skeptical of these claims when they're made right before we launch a war.

“But I think the other point is that, at least according, then there has been some evidence”

of this, right? There were police stations that were burned, there were mosques that were attacked. These were not just peaceful protests. I'm not saying they don't have a right to violently rise up and overthrow their government. But all the, the hawks in the West were saying, these people are trying to overthrow

their government. Not only that in the past, our agencies, our intelligence agencies have engaged in the Ferris practices where we have conscripted certain people to go and like things on fire and

blow things up and create these events front page of celery front page of the Jerusalem

posts. They were bragging that there was a messod within the protests. So look, now look, I don't know, but also the thing is this, right? If you are trying to overthrow a government, a government will kill you for doing that. And that's true about every government, including our own.

If armed protesters went to try to overthrow Barack Obama's government, he would kill those people. They were actually a threat to do. Actually, Babot was murdered. That's right.

Not January 6. And every single left winger in the country went, well, that's okay, it was an insurrection. And by the way, every single right winger in this country, when this predi guy got killed, we're like, well, he was interfering. Oh, I saw it.

“But by the way, the predi thing was the most textbook example of a bad shooting.”

There's just no defending it. They had disarmed the guy. He's down. There's six of them. They panic.

They put six bullets in it.

Do you know what happened? Do you know the whole story of the gun? The gun being removed? Yeah. Do you know the whole story about the gun?

Oh, no. Okay. The gun is a sick pitha. 20. Right.

A sick p320 is notorious for accidental discharges. Right. There is a video of the copper moving the gun walking off. Yes. I saw it.

And the gun goes off. Is that, and that is that his gun's for sure? Yes. I haven't been determined. Whether or not.

I heard people speculating about that. I watched the video multiple times and I've watched other people's analysis of it. Obviously, I'm no expert, but I do know something about guns. And that gun in particular has been demonstrated on the lines that it will go off. There's a cop inside of a precinct he bends over.

Not touching his gun. Gun in the holster and it goes off. There's a gun. There's a video of a guy on a range and an axe, a gun just goes off. And he goes off.

And gun was that, and the range master goes, is that a sick, and he goes, yeah, he goes, get that fucking gun off of my range. Wow. Because it's a p320. No, so sick, but it should be real clear, sick makes a bunch of guns that are awesome.

Like the p365 is like one of the best carry guns in the world. There's a lot of guns they make that don't have this issue. But that particular gun that pretty had with one in the chamber is fucking knuckleheads walking off. No, that's one in the chamber.

Absolutely. And all for, I'm just saying the only point I'm making is that it's clearly, it was a fuck up. I'm not saying like they wanted to execute the gun. I'm just saying like they had the gun taken from them.

They didn't communicate that to each other. They freaked out. They, but literally all it took was seeing one video 11 days earlier where he kicked the back of a cop car. Right.

And for every right wing or to go, yeah, whatever dude got what you deserve. So my, all my point is about this, looking at this in the Iranian regime, it's just not clear. Like what are you actually accusing them of? Are you saying that somebody was trying to overthrow the government and the government

mode them down? Are you saying that they lined up protesters and shot them all in the back of the head simply for voicing their opinion? Like none of this is made clear. But when the war drums are beating, no one even cares to like this for his questions.

It's just like, yeah, they killed their own people. And then if you notice with this war, much like with Venezuela and almost like with all of them, they just keep giving you like, they throw like 15 justifications at it.

“You know, and you're like, which one is the reason we're fighting this?”

Because I saw, all of them like to play the humanitarian card and go, we're doing this to, you know, for these oppressed people, we want them to rise up. They've been living under this brutal regime and you're like, okay, two things. Like number one, that is simply just not how US foreign policy works. We don't fight wars on humanitarian grounds.

You know what I mean? We're partners with some of the most brutal authoritarian in the world. And we, in the case of like Israel, we've been funding their destruction of Gaza. But for the last two and a half years, like it's, and, and, so like, that's not really what's motivating this here.

And then number two, Donald Trump, even just the other day, said, he'll be partners with

Yeah. He's back to say that. Yeah. He's back to off of regime change or the idea that they're talking to him.

“Is someone talking to him like, who's he talking to?”

Do they know who they're talking to? Because it's not like they're meeting. Don Charles said, some guys on the phone, I am free to negotiate. Dude, he said, Donald Trump himself said the other day that, um, that he goes negotiate we're negotiating negotiations are going great and they go, who are you negotiating with?

And he goes, a person we believe to be in charge. And then they said, so is this the new Supreme Leader and he said, no, no, no one's going to start from that guy, we don't know where he is, some hacker in his basement in Belarus. It's not talking with a radio accent and he's got them convinced. Well, it's just, I have the authority to negotiate, well, let's be partners.

Let's be for a wire, one million bit going to this interest.

Well, everything I'm seeing publicly reported today is that Iran is like, no, we're not in these negotiations, we've made our terms clear and there are terms what they're asking for is something that Donald Trump is not going to be able to give them. What's that? They're, they're demands were that we, we stopped attacking immediately like that part.

They might get that we pay them, uh, restitution for all the damage so far, um, essentially that we leave the region. I mean, they had a few other things there that were just like, and they wanted to open

“up a Terry Blacks and Tehran, and this one, this one was really important to us if you”

just get one. Terry Blacks, barbecue, we don't have a good barbecue here. Um, it's, it doesn't seem like if, if he's not really negotiating with this guy, if

it's like, if that's not true, and he's just like putting this out there in the public

is like a negotiation ploy, what a claustrophac, because you're dealing with people that don't mind dying, they, they, they believe, I mean, these are very religious people. They're fanatical. They believe they're going to go to heaven. They believe they're martyrs, and they're fighting for a law.

This is, this is the just and holy war. Well, they've all been attacked. Well, that's right, and they've been preparing for this for a long time. Um, you know, and they, like, there's, you know, people make a lot out of, um, the chance that the Iranians, you know, they chant that to America.

What do you got there, Jimmy? I'm sorry, it's, uh, uh, this guy in the cell is on. I mean, it's the way we ought to control the flow of oil. Be, uh, jointly control, maybe me, maybe me, me and the ayatola, whoever the ayatola is, whoever the next ayatola, look, and there'll also be a form of a, a very serious form of a,

a, a regime's now in all fairness. Everybody's been killed from the regime. There's automatically a regime change. But we're dealing with some people that I find to be very reasonable, very solid. Uh, the people within know who they are, they're very respected.

And maybe one of them will be exactly what we're looking for. Look at Venezuela. Well, that's working, uh, I mean, dude, this is such a fucking mess. This is such a mess, dude. I mean, this is just too ridiculous, dude.

And the, you know, the thing is that a lot of people, you know, I've spent a long time at this point being against this war, because this war has been telegraphed since, you know, the Bush administration wanted to do this shit. And, um, yet least for like 15 years, I've been publicly opposing this war. And one of the reasons why so many of us oppose this, and it's a shitty way to be vindicated,

but is that a ran is just not like any of the other opponents in the global war on terrorism. It's a, it's a different beast entirely. And you've seen this already, only three weeks in.

We never dealt with any of this with any of the other countries.

You know what I mean? We had what the Pentagon calls escalation dominance in all of those other wars, which is all essentially like, it's just like, meaning like, if you do this, we do this. If you do, like, we're prepared for everything. It's kind of like escalation dominance is a lot like, you know, like in jujitsu, where you see

really high-level guys who basically put you in a position where you can make one of two choices in either way. You know, like, okay, you can, you can give me your back and I'll choke you or you can push off me and I'll arm bar you. And you, you know, like, whatever option you have, I'm going to get you.

We don't have that with a run.

“And Pentagon's been open about this since at least 2007, um, and the fact is that, as we're”

already seeing, they can target ships in the straighted firm moose. They can target our assets, our bases, our embassies in the region, they can target our allies. And this is a big problem. And so like, it seems like Donald Trump got into this thinking it would be like Venezuela.

Now that it's not gone that way, it seems like he's kind of scrambling for what the, what the off ramp is here. Yeah, now at least I give Donald Trump as angry as I am with him, um, like at least it is true that he's looking for an off ramp.

“It seems like and he did this with the 12 day war, right?”

Like he, he started the war. He saw an off ramp and he, and he took a, a took it. The problem here really is that this war changed the calculation from the Iranian perspective and that much is clear so far. And you know, the after 9/11, all the countries in the Middle East in North Africa, all

the ones where essentially they all wave the white flag, all of them. So, Donald who's saying, welcome to you and inspectors in.

He was trying to do anything he could to not meet the fate that he ultimately met.

Gaddafi, denuclearized, got rid of chemical weapons. Bashar al-Assad, got rid of all this chemical weapon. Like they were all just like, we don't want it with you, you know? And Iran was very much the same way. And they, they got into the JCPOA.

They allowed an inspections regime in to come, look at their, their nuclear facilities, all of that. Even up to the 12 day war when we, we dropped the bunker buster as an Israel bombed a whole bunch of regime targets. They still in their response called ahead, made sure there'd be no U.S. troops there.

They, they hit the side of a little base there and then they kind of went like, they gave Trump an off ramp because they didn't want it. You know, they didn't want it. They don't want it. They don't want it.

They don't want it. They don't want it. They don't want it. They don't want it. They don't want it.

You know, they don't want it. Regulation this time, clearly already, from the Iranians, was that we can't do that again. We have to give you a bloody nose and a black eye. We have to make this cost as much as possible for you. Otherwise, you guys will just be back here in another five months doing it again.

And they're, they're probably right about that. They're probably right. And so now we're in this situation where we're already in a, in a, a quagmire, it's

“already like, over a dozen Americans have died, I think a couple hundred wounded at this”

point. Israel isn't given real numbers on what's going on there, but there's pretty substantial damage. And definitely some Israelis have died. And I'm sure thousands of Iranians have, have died at this point.

It's cost.

I mean, Pete Higgs has just asked for $200 billion, I don't know if it'll get up to cost

in that much, but this thing is certainly already in the tens of billions. If you consider munition, military movements, and then just the damage to embassies and bases and stuff like that, I mean, this thing is already a disaster. And so now it's not like Venezuela where Donald Trump could just stop and declare victory. And even say, like, look how great it's working out.

Now, is Venezuela really working out that great? I don't know. That's, you know, we took one guy away, the regime still in place. The people haven't been liberated, but whatever he can claim that this now, the problem here is that, okay, number one, Donald Trump's not really in a situation where if he

just quit right now, how is he really going to say, look how wonderful this is? It's like, I don't know, dude, this cost a lot already. And it doesn't seem like there's any clear, like, what did we get out of this?

“Well, the only way it would work is if there was some sort of a deal with, whoever the”

fuck is going to be the new guy in charge, and they did come to some sort of an agreement, and they did give them some compensation for all the shit we blew up. Yes. Well, that's right. So they just print some more money for that.

Sure. And inflation goes up.

But look, here's the thing, is that it's not just Donald Trump.

There's two other participants in this war, two other entities in this war. There's a round, and there's Israel, okay, now is a round going to accept that, maybe, but look, just like the 12-day war, look at the position you're in now, we're relying on the most. You know what I mean?

That is not an ideal situation to be in, and then the other factor is that there's Israel who also gets to say in this, for some reason, because we allow them to, and Netanyahu, just the other day, it was very clear about this. This is a regime change, and he even said it will require ground forces. And he said he's not sure who those ground forces will be.

And so now this happened, if you remember the moment during the 12-day war, when it was the closest Trump ever came to like flipping out on Israel, and he said they don't know what the fuck they're doing, it was, but he said Israel and around. I don't know what the fuck they're doing, because Donald Trump, so after he drops the bunker busters, he goes, that's it, we're, you know what I mean, we're taken the off ramp.

And then he said, I want to work out a ceasefire now. And then after he said that, Israel just started lighting up regime targets, just bomb in the crap out of them, and they weren't bombing nuclear facilities, they were just bombing like government buildings, and they've been doing a bunch of that in this war as well, bomb in local police departments, things like that, just creating chaos, because what they

want is what they've been getting in the rest of the war on terrorism, they are quite

There's no one, anyone that's organized as a threat to Israel.

“They don't, it's, it's all about Iran's support for Hezbollah, is that they want Southern”

Lebanon, which they just cats, their defense minister, just announced that they're going to occupy it. That's crazy, right? That's not something to be occupying another country. That's what it's about, man.

And look, I mean, it's not, again, this isn't like a conspiracy theory. The guys all tell you this in their own words. Benjamin Netanyahu was asked point blank a few months back what he thought of the greater Israel project, and he said, it's very near and dear to my heart. This is the point of denying the Palestinians a state for all these years.

You can't let the Palestinians have a state because then how are you going to take that all over some day? That's also supposed to be part of Israel. And the U.S. ambassador, the U.S. ambassador, not the Israeli ambassador, the U.S. ambassador to Israel is on record saying that God promised Iraq to Benjamin Netanyahu, at that

God promised Lebanon and Saudi Arabia and the West Bank and parts of Syria, and all of this is greater Israel. That is it. By the way, Sam Harris, where you out on that, where are the new atheists when you could

finally use them for something?

Hey, that's pretty crazy. Is that how we do politics?

“We work on this ridiculous religious superstition that somehow when God said Israel in”

Genesis, he was referring to the state that was created that they named after that passage. This would literally be on the level, Joe, is if I named my son Jesus Christ, and then I told you, you have to worship my son. Look, it's right there in your Bible. You worship, no, you named it after that dude.

That doesn't count. That's crazy, and they took the spot where it was. Yeah, I mean, like, they took over, and they did it in a horrific way, like the NAPCA. Yeah. Yeah.

You listen to some of those soldiers, the translation of some of those soldiers talking about what they did, and even laughing about what they had. Some of them even smiling. In 1948? Yes, because it wasn't in 1848.

Right. You know what I mean? These guys were alive, maybe not so many of them now, but like 20, 30 years ago, you could put a video camera in front of one of these guys and ask them to tell their story. Right.

And 78 years ago. Wasn't that long ago. Yeah, that's right. That's right. And so, you know, look, I mean, the idea here that America, after just 25 years of catastrophic

failures, launching wars of choice, wars of aggression, lying the American people into it just slutty, millions of people, and like bankrupting this country, and really severely degrading the country with these wars. The idea that we would jump into another war of choice for Israel is just too, like this is too crazy, man.

And especially when it's the administration that really ran on and promised that we want to get out of this out of this game of fighting stupid wars in the Middle East. That was what we were all supporting. Yeah. That was the one thing that he was saying that was so promising to so many people that

were independent. They were on the fence. Like this guy wants no wars. All right. Oh, he wants closing the border with you.

It's almost over the country. Auch diesen schwilflerspeck, einfach übersraten, und dann hoffen, das ist stimmt. Paul, nee, gar nicht. Wie so steuere, es so mein C-Space. Do you mean, damit ist alles sicher?

Yeah, genau. Wie so steuere, es so di steuere App, die dich einfach versteht. Egalobstudium, job, oder umzug. Stimmt. Gras?

So steuere. Steuere? Medviso steuere.

“I think he's a great idea, he wants no wars.”

That enough. Let's go. Well, especially considering the fact that well, like, even if there are some things about Donald Trump that maybe you don't like, but the other guys are saying we want to keep fighting forever wars.

And this guy is saying we should stop doing that. That's enough to go well, then he's better than you on net. And don't get me wrong, I mean, I endorse Donald Trump in 24. People give me shit for this, some people like that, some people give me shit for it. But I do, I kind of view it like this.

And I really, I will say, maybe I'm a little biased here, because I love you. But I don't think I'm being biased. I really think you played an enormous role in kind of like standing up to the progressive democratic establishment and their narrative over the last decade or so. And it's really hard to kind of overstate how crazy they were, how much of a threat to this

country they were. And so for anybody who wants to give shit to anyone who voted for Donald Trump, it's like,

hey, man, the alternative was the party who bragged about the first off insane woke shit,

like poisoning the minds of children in a really grotesque and abusive way. They gave us open borders, flooding the country with people.

They gave us the most reckless foreign policy in American history, which was this proxy war on Russia's border.

“And they were pretending the president wasn't seen aisle when he clearly was.”

Then they in the fourth quarter threw up a cackling retard who was not democratically picked in any process. And so sorry, like it does make sense that a lot of people went, okay. We're going to go back with this other guy. Yeah.

Also, there was an interesting dynamic happening in 24 where, okay, this wasn't Donald Trump. They had actually tried to throw him in jail and maybe even tried to murder him.

We never really got any answers on that one.

He now had Bobby Kennedy with them. He now had Tulsi Gabbard with him. He now had, you know what I mean, even JD Vance, like a lot of these people who were supposedly much more non-interventionist, there was reason to hope that maybe it wouldn't end up here. But anyway, I guess my thing is that you played such a huge role in this night to a lesser

extent played a role in standing up against a lot of that progressive insanity over the last 10 years. And I just feel like after 24, you know, this coalition came together where Donald Trump for the first time ever wins the popular vote wins every single swing state and really more remarkably won the youth and the culture.

Like Donald Trump went from being like the cultural pariah to being the guy like John

“Jones is doing the dance and it was just it was and that whole coalition has been destroyed”

over this war. And now he's going to hand the country right back over to these Democrats who we've been fighting so hard all for what, all for a war that Netanyahu wanted against the country that, dude, by the way, the justification for the 12 day war was bullshit. They weren't trying to make nuclear weapons.

They were trying to negotiate. They were trying to negotiate. Yes. Well, that's right. But then all, and I wanted, you know, he said some nice things about me when he was

on here the other day with you. So I will say some nice things about constant consent, consent, who I despite our disagreements. I really like that guy a lot. But he is, I could be wrong. I could be missing someone.

He's the only guy I've seen who supported the 12 day war, but it's really skeptical about this. And I've seen so many people, it's unbelievable, dude, like they, they just, so like the 12 day war comes for the first 48 hours of it. They're like, dude, Israel's doing this on its own.

“All they want is for you to stay out of it.”

Then like the third day, they're like, all right, they do need some help shooting down the missiles that are coming back toward them, but whatever. This is just defensive. You know what I mean? Like, you don't have to get involved.

Then it's like the next day, like, all right, we don't have bunker busters, so we do need you to drop the bunker busters. But then their whole, like, defense of the 12 day war was like, look, no, Americans died. It didn't cost us a lot. It didn't turn into this disaster.

And now, we're at the, okay, we'll find all of that happen, but it's still a good thing. Johnson's in was the one guy I saw who was like, no, I supported that one, but I am not getting on board with this one. And I give him a lot of credit for that. I give him a lot of credit for that.

I like that guy a lot. I like him a lot. I like Francis a lot too. I do too. They're show trigonometry is one of the best shows.

Agreed with them are not agree with them.

They're always reasonable.

They're never ideologically driven. They have opinions that you may or may not agree with, but they're real clear about their opinions and why they believe what they believe. Yeah. That's right.

And I will send their great guys. I really like the, you know, I get in a lot of like the shit show, like arguments, I find myself in them. I probably should be better than them and just not engaged, but I'm not, and I'm petty. And you get shit show.

Like where it just becomes like an insult thing or, you know, I had to be an Alex barren, or it's just kind of embarrassing and hindsight, but like, I don't know. It gets me really angry when the guy is calling me a Holocaust and I or something like that. But what he was saying was kind of silly the way he was saying it was silly and he was just

trying to play got you with you. Yeah. And then you call him a faggot. Yeah. And it's not my finest moment.

You can tell he was really shaken by that. Well, it's just unexpected that. I kind of have a thing where like, look, I'm really into this shit and I nerd out on it. And I'm obsessed with all of this for whatever reason, it's just like my calling in life. But I'm also stand up, comic at heart, you know, and so like as soon as someone goes, like,

oh, I want to be vicious. You're like, oh, you want to be vicious because like I'm pretty good at being vicious. So like I could do that and you're probably not used to here in this type of vicious shit that like comic say to each other, but one of the things that I really appreciated about Francis and Constantine was when I went to do their show, it was just like, it was genuinely

a good faith conversation. They weren't trying it. They weren't trying to like win the point or get a clip that they could go, we destroyed Dave. And then once they do that, I'm like, okay, well, then I'm not trying to do that either, man.

Like, let's talk about this shit.

That's always what I'd rather do.

But the thing that's, I guess the thing that's really interesting about this moment is that because the kind of corporate media propaganda apparatus has been completely destroyed and because the internet and social media and podcasts are where people go now for conversations

without a propaganda apparatus.

“You know, like Israel, just Israel in the last two and a half years is down like 50 points”

in the polls, like in terms of American approval, but they've just been, it's a drastic change.

Like, I've never seen on any issue over the last few years.

In our lifetimes where it's been an issue that we are dealing with the consequences of the relationship. That's right. There's never been a time in the past where people were completely aware of, oh, there's no other reason why we'd be going in Iran.

Most people, most people don't think 100% wasn't for Israel asking us to, Netanyahu's consistent visits to the White House. Mall, you can't even pretend otherwise, I mean, people, people do. Yes, well, they try to, but people home and use just got in a debate with going green wall about it.

I saw that they did it. I have not had a chance to watch it. Somebody sent it to me and it was, you know, I'm being a good boy and it comes to social media. It's been so good for my brain.

Yeah. It's kind of remarkable. So I got to stay in off of you, yeah, yeah, my new phone, I'm not going to put anything on it. I'm going to have my old phone and leave it at home and I'm not going to be able to look

at it. So when I have to post things, I've got to post it on my other phone that's not going to be with me. I'm not doing that anymore.

Because I just think eventually, ultimately, it rocks your brain.

But you do get some cool debates and some insight into what's going on and I don't know what Coleman's argument was, but Glenn and Coleman were arguing about Israel's influence on this. Well, I'll be very interested to watch that. I do respect Coleman despite disagreeing with him very adamantly, very smart guy.

Very smart guy. No question. Very nice guy. And look, one of the things I really respect about him is when I did his show, he literally starts it by going, he goes, you know, almost all these debates I see you in, like your kind

of debating issues and then people just debate your character.

“I think he goes, I'm not doing that at all.”

I want to talk about the issue. It does all the time. And I just genuinely appreciate that. I agree with him or disagree with him, he's a super reasonable guy and a very nice guy. I like him a lot.

I like him a lot. Whether I agree with him or disagree with him, he's a wonderful person. This is what I will say about his position on this, which I think is kind of interesting. So number one, when I was on Pierce Morgan with him, right after Venezuela happened. And he was his position, I don't want to mischaracterize it, but I think this is pretty

accurate. He was like, look, a lot of people are comparing Venezuela to Iraq or Libya or Syria. But like, that is a different region, a different culture, a different religion. And so really what we should be comparing this to is other interventions in Latin America and South America.

And I didn't completely agree with that. I was like, actually, I think there are some lessons you could learn from other wars that we've been in that might apply here. But I was like, OK, fair enough, hey, let's look at other interventions in Central and South America, because we've got a long list of really disastrous ones.

“Like if you want to look at Guatemala or Nicaragua or Cuba, Mexico, a whole bunch.”

But then when this war in Iran starts, I don't see him going the equal opposite of that, going, hey, now that we're at war with Iran, we have to judge this by Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and Syria. Because you know what I'm saying? Like that would be the flip side to the other position.

And so I don't see that. The other thing is that when he's arguing with me about, because I was arguing that Israel Lobby and the Israeli government were a huge part of why we fought the war in Iraq. And his big point that he stuck to a lot of the hawks stick to this is that aerial Iran was actually -- who was the sitting prime minister at the time.

He was actually against the war in Iraq. Now, that's not exactly true. He wanted George W. Bush to invade Iran first, not Iraq. And then when he got a suren says that Iran would be next, he got on board. You could go look at Sharon's speech.

He gave a speech, I think it was an August of 2002, to the Kinesi. And it's all about how Iraq is the biggest threat. They have weapons of mass destruction, but the Mossad was cranking out all types of BS intelligence about the nuclear weapons that he could detonate in 15 minutes or whatever is all nonsense. But if you're going to say that that is evidence, that Israel was not pushing us into this,

because the sitting prime minister at the time didn't like this war. Okay, but again, then how does the current sitting prime minister of Israel feel about this war in Iran, because he's fighting it with us. And he said after it started that this is the culmination of his entire life's work, he has been trying to lie our government into this war for my entire lifetime.

Coming here, he testified how many times you've never been able to testify

with the cartoon of the war. At the UN, the cartoon, a bomb cartoon with percentages of the enriched uranium.

Not like the bomb that will blow your ball around until the end of the year.

“Yes, he was already up, real high, he was on record saying that Iran was three to”

five years away from getting a nuclear weapon in the 90s. He's just been lying through his teeth, and there is something, look, man, there's something really profoundly dishonorable about trying to lie another country into war. Not even trying to sell the war to your own people and have your own military do it.

But because you cared, we were up to 90 percent.

First stage. No, it was first stage, we were at, he was saying they've hit the first stage. Oh, I'll excuse me, okay, yeah, you're right, I guess this is we can't, we can't go in there. It's just so ridiculous, and he knows he knows he's lying. He's like your friend that you've been friends with since high school and every time you go out he gets you in a fight, like do you don't do this, like those guys over there

are a fucking problem, let's go over there and fuck them up and like, you know, all your

“buddies are like, dude, do I use that exact analogy when I debate?”

I did a Josh Hammer at Princeton University and or maybe it was in the Charlie card.

It was one of the times I debated him, but I used that exact analogy, he was like, is real an ally? And I was like, no, they're not a good friend. If your friends getting you in a bar fight every night, stop hanging out with that guy, bro, Tim Dylan did an ad for neurogum and neuromints on his podcast where he's like, I have a friend, let's just call Erica and he does this Erica Kirk ad. He doesn't say it's Erica Kirk for neurogum.

Have you heard of Jamie? Oh my god, oh my god, it's so funny. Oh my god, it's so crazy. He's so out of his, I fucking love him so much. I'm so happy Tim Dylan's in the world. He is the best. If you're not listening to his podcast and you want a rational but hilarious take on all the fucking madness that's going on with not just this war, but the Epstein files. His episode of the Epstein files, I hardly ever tweet about other people's podcasts, but I hardly ever tweet,

but I posted it. I'm like, this is one of the best podcasts about anything ever. His ability to like rant, it like a hilarious rant that is laced with excellent points, but it's just hilarious

the whole time and just him going off is second to none. And he's sober. He just puts on his magic

glasses. It's him in front of us are the top two by he buries front of us. Well, it does is really good. Fuentes says he's fun to do something different than anybody else can do. Yeah, well, his ability to blend sarcasm and just celebration of chaos. Yeah, he's second to none. Best rant or that's ever walked the face of the planet. I remember when I first met Tim in New York back the 14 he moved out to LA after that, but when I first met him in New York and he was I think like he was a green

“standup. I think he hadn't been doing it for that long. But I remember just like being on podcast”

with him. I just being like yo, this dude is going to be a fucking superstar. Like he was just like his, his ramping like a bill. Like he would go off on things where you just find yourself like like you almost have a moment where you forget you're on the show with him. Yeah, you're like I'm just sitting here watching the minute I'm like oh shit, I'm here too. I better say something. But like he's just under it. Listen to this ad. Listen, I actually tell this, but it does show how

effective neuromence can be. A friend of mine that's called her Erica. She, she's had a wild life this woman. She was in Romania. She had an orphanage. She was on a reality show, married this famous guy. She was in intelligence asset. And I said they're how do you do this? And she says Tim, it's neuro's energy and focusments. But how do you do it after the guy, the husband and father, the kids gets murdered and you're out there doing all kinds of stuff, you're doing fundraisers

and you dance around with glitter pants. How does this happen? She goes, I could lie to you. But I'm telling you it's neuro's energy and focusments. I'm really just just sure. I said, how you running this organization? Seven hours after this guy got pop. She goes a lot of people speculate. But it's neuro's energy and focusments. I go really? She said, yeah, neuroenergy and focus is powered by natural green tea caffeine, elphenineine for calm focus and vitamin V12

and B6 for me. I mean, whatever they're paying him, they should pay him more.

remember that product forever. Yeah. No, he's the greatest of all time. I'm trying to figure out how to turn our racetrack sign on all the, is it broken? Yeah. God damn, we need a new one. I'll get a hold of Bobby. He's the goat, dude. He's, you know, I had someone in the White House come up to me and go, Tim Dylan, really gay. Like, yeah, he's really gay. Like, you think you would fake that? Yeah, it was how long have you known him? I go, I'm known forever. He's really gay. Yeah,

well, he's, he's a, he's a real good undercover, but every now and then you see it come out. Every

“now and then you see like, uh, like I remember, and this back when he was young and, and he was broke”

at the time, but Tim was always kind of a snob, even when he was broke. Like, it was always kind of,

and I went, uh, I forget what it was, but I was like, I was like, oh, we could get food from this restaurant, and he goes from there and go, yeah, they got good food and he goes, you think that's good food and like, because he's like a real, like, foodie or whatever. Right. There was just like, I saw it for a second thing. Well, you used to have money because he had money when he was selling. He had money in finance. They had decided to be some prior mortgages. Yeah. He was a part of the housing crisis.

That's right. And he was doing cocaine back then. He, he did topple the US economy for a while. He was part of it. But then he got into comedy. He more than made up for it. He's more than made up for that. This is where he belongs. Yeah. He belongs in front of that screen with the glasses on, just going on these insane rats. Oh, yeah. He's so funny man. And let's, it absolutely a vile's take was fucking genius. That was great. Dude, his thing about Sam Harris

having a, a meditation app and also supporting genocide. He's like, what's happening? Like, what human being does both of us? Such a great take on that. He's so funny man. Yeah. We're lucky dude. We're, we're, we're, we're part of a really cool group of people right now. You know, it's a very unusual time that the mainstream has lost all of its power of influence on people. It still puts out information. It still puts out shows. But they're trying to look like you,

but they're fantastic. The jay taber thing was so crazy. I was like, what are you doing? Are you doing a podcast now? What are you doing? It's, oh, it's such a perfect, like, little microcosm though of like, it's almost painful. Like, I'm like, guys, just can you hire me? I mean, like, I, I, but that one, I would explain this to you. No, no, no, they work either, because they're so trained. There's, it's like, if you get a dog and that dog has been,

maybe a, yeah, cat might be a better example. You've never had a litter box in the house and the

cat's been pissing all of the carpet. You are always going to have that cat piss on the carpet.

“That's what that cat does. You're not going to fix them. If you're entire life, you've been”

spitting out nonsense from a teleprompter. And now also, and you have to be yourself, you've been functioning in a world of executives and producers where everybody goes over every little thing you say and do, you 100% read things. You know, aren't true, or at least partially actually. And for like everything. Oh, yeah, yeah, they're, their whole setup is they're all trying to look like hardcasters. No, wait a minute, they put mics out like, yes,casters, that's crazy. Imagine if

they think that's all it takes. But, well, this is, but, Jo, talk about completely missing the point, right? It's just fundamentally missing it. Is that they go, they actually go. Okay. So all of these people have left, you know, watching cable news in, in droves. And now they, a lot of people listen to podcasts. They'll listen to you, or Theo Vaughn, or whoever it might be. And the, a huge reason, right? Why people, a huge reason why you've been number one for so long now is because

however anyone feels about you, you're authentic. It's very hard to deny that. You know, one of the biggest questions I get when people like meet me, if I do like meet and greet after shows us something, it's, what's Joe Rogan like? Is a question I get all the time, because we're buddies and I've been on the show a lot of times and, you know, people are, love you.

And they'll go, what's Joe Rogan like, I always tell them the same thing. I go, you already know.

You know, like, you already know who he is. He's that guy. And then offstage, he's that guy. You know what I mean? Like, that's who he is. And people like that, people like that, whatever you think about Theo Vaughn, he's telling, he's authentic. He's not doing himself.

“That's who he is. That's why it works. And because you guys in the corporate media,”

are all professional liars and have lied to the American people about the last 17 crises, you know, they don't trust you anymore. And so then they're reaction of that as you go, well, what if we pretended to be podcasters? You know, you tell me, that's the whole thing. This is just proving further how, inauthentic you are. Do you know what I'm saying? Cheers meetings on this. 100% podcasters? 100% they do. They all, this was to me, despite the fact

that I, you know, and people can share that vote and for Donald Trump. And they could say, I should have known better and whatever. I was a huge critic of him in his first term, and I'm a

and I did predict this right. I'm not always the best with predictions. I'm pretty good on issues,

“I think, but I'm not great at predictions. They're tough. But the best thing about Donald Trump winning”

was that the corporate media finally admitted it. They were, they had been pretending for so long. I mean, we used to joke about, I remember coming on like a few years ago, and we would joke about how Brian Stelter would always, whenever he talked about you, he would always kind of go like the fringe Joe Rogan. Like, as if he's the mainstream and you are the French. As if the numbers aren't readily available to all of us that we could be like, your show has like 200,000 listening,

and his has 20 million. So how is he the French and you're the mainstream? I think they would pretend. Well, they, maybe they believed it, but that 24, the election, that's when they all admitted it.

And then the talking point moved to, we need to find our own Joe Rogan. The Democrats need to find a

Joe Rogan. Oh, that was remembered. That was like, so they kind of admitted that the podcasts have become the new mainstream and we are the friends. Right. But the dumb part of that statement was you already had me fucking idiots just lost your mind. I'm not right, and I'm not left. Yeah. I think both of them suck. And I think the adherence to the ideologies that the left supports or the right supports is out of their fuck. You got to be out of your fucking mind.

Whether it's these crackpot Christian nationalists that think that this whole war is a way to get Jesus to return on a white horse. Yeah. Do you see those guys that we're talking? Yeah. During the, the readiness fucking meeting, that I think that's nuts too. I think the woke shit and all the chaos of the fucking last four years of having a completely open border and the justifications of all these things. That's nuts too. I'm not on either a buddy side.

But I went side. So I think the Democrats are ever going to get someone like me because I'm not with either or. I'm not with either or. I'm with whoever fucking makes sense. No one makes sense. And still AI comes along. I think you're really good job all of us. President Proplexity is going to run this country fairly and balanced. I'm willing to try it at this point. I'm fucking dead serious man as long as it doesn't like do something to harm people as long as

like that's it's, it's goals just to manage society. It's a big if that you got there. But yes, if we can get that, we'll join the high. But what you just said, I think is really well, this, this is something that I'm encouraged by is that I think what you just said there. I really do believe

“that you speak for super majorities of the American people. And that's why even though Donald Trump”

has shattered his coalition by lying us into this stupid war on behalf of a foreign country, that coalition is still right for someone else to pick it up and run with it. And that's kind of what I'm hoping. I hope Thomas Massey runs for president. I think by the way, they're doing a big money bomb for Thomas Massey on March 30th. And I think him winning reelection in Congress is like

the most important political election in the country right now, because he's done nothing wrong,

except actually stand up for America first and for all the stuff that Donald Trump and Tulsi gathered and all these people ran on. And he's gotten the Israel lobby and the Adelsons, but I repeat myself, have been pouring millions of dollars into his race to try to unseat him for the crime of not going along with the Epstein cover up and not going along with another stupid war and having some like fiscal sanity. So I hope I hope he wins. I imagine those are the ones for executives. Imagine

those being three negatives that people are saying he's not MAGA. Well, they're okay. Well, then MAGA then. Well, if that's like, I don't know, like, my position is always like, if you're saying if not supporting covering up the Epstein files or not supporting a stupid war of choice, a war of aggression on behalf of Israel means I'm not MAGA, then okay, I'm not MAGA. I don't I'm not attached to the, you know, the phrase, make America great again. I don't care. Then

“but that phrase sucks. Here's the thing. Like, first of all, America is great. Make America greater,”

I'm down. But make America great again and then it becomes a movement of a bunch of fucking dorks because a lot of them are dorks. A lot of them, these really weird fucking uninteresting, unintelligent people that have got something they cling to. And there's a lot of people that are just real genuine patriots. And they're all lumped into this one group and you got to accept the dorks to fuck that. Like the concept of making America great is a great idea. But as soon as you

have a fucking team and you allow anybody to join up, you don't even have tryouts for your team. So you've got a bunch of fucking dipshits that are running around spouting out opinions and you have to go along with them because they're MAGA and then you've got bots online that are probably from fucking Indonesia or Russia or wherever and they're pretending they're MAGA and they're saying crazy shit. So that's a part of MAGA too. You fucked up by becoming a part of a group.

Yeah. Whether it's a Republican group, a Democrat group, a MAGA group, a fucking woke group, whatever it is, you fucked up by being in a group. Yeah, what is George Carlin said people are

And that's why it should be about the issues. It should be about your principles and what

“you believe in and that's and you should be like, look like I've said many nice things about”

Tulsi Gabbard over the years and I was extremely critical of her over since last summer and

to now because I think she's lying us into a war which is the war that she was always opposed to. The one, the one she sold no war with a ran t-shirts. She like this was really lying us into this war. So that's a big statement. Yeah, absolutely. And it's true. So last summer, so Tulsi Gabbard had given her as the Director of National Intelligence does every year. They give their annual threat assessment and she testified before Congress about it. And she, it was very clear in her annual

threat assessment that a ran was not attempting to build nuclear weapons. That they had not yet made the political decision to attempt to build nuclear weapons, let alone like are actually going for it. And she testified before Congress saying the same thing. And then after negotiating,

while they were negotiating, Israel sneaked attacks them, then she had some post where she goes

around could be weeks or months away from nuclear weapons. Which is like, it was total bullshit. It made absolutely no sense of what the post has. Sure. This is fun. If you could find it, this is from last, it must have been last June. Right, but is that a fact? So if they're enriching uranium up to 60%. And they just have to enrich it further for the ability to use it in nuclear weapons. That is a couple weeks away. No, but not before it would be to build a bomb and to make it deliverable.

“I think all the experts say at least a couple years. But the point aside from that is that”

at the time, this is over now, but at the time a ran was still members of the JCPOA. They were still in it. So it's like, what is that? This is the Iran deal that Obama got us into. Obama is horrible on foreign policy. It's the butcher of Libya and Syria and Yemen and he'd surged in Afghanistan a heart. But in Iran, he made a deal with them. But it wasn't just with the U.S. and Iran. It also involved Russia and France and England. And there were other countries involved in it, too.

And the JCPOA said that Iran couldn't enrich above, I think it was three to five percent, or something like that. And they were staying in it. And it created a new inspections regime, which Iran, so they were having full inspections, they weren't in it. But the deal also said that if America gets out of the deal, they can enrich up to higher. So when America got out of the deal, they started enriching. When did America get out of the deal? Donald Trump tore it up in his

first term, I want to say 2017 or 2018. And then they immediately started enriching? No, they

“went up a little bit. And then I think there were a couple of Israeli attacks and then they went”

up to enriching at 60 percent. But so the reason we knew they were enriching up to 60 percent

is because they were still members of the JCPOA with an inspections regime who was going in there and saying they were enriching up to 60 percent. Right. How much do you actually know about enriching uranium and what it takes to turn into a bomb? Let's let's read, but she said new intelligence confirm what Potus has stated numerous times. Iran's nuclear facilities have been destroyed. Oh, I think this is after this is the one. This is her tweet was before. This is from

June. Yeah, this would have been just shortly before this, basically. Her tweet was before we hit fordo. Yeah, this is June 25th. There's a recent one though. Oh, edited. June 25th. Yeah, but it seems like it was still edited the day. It was posted. Probably. Can you go to her page and because she doesn't tweet a lot, she's not a psycho. She's not what I was. If she tweets it's generally something important or some of her team is he. So is this the whole lot? What is

about that overwhelmingly elected by the Mac. Click on that show more. I think that's it. Well, this is what she testified to Congress this time. I was referring to a different one from white, but I also think this is a lie. I mean, for her to say that the president determines what is an imminent threat or is not, no, either there is an imminent threat or there is not one. That this is like saying the president determines the weather. Right, right. But you're taking

her words out of context. She's saying something that's factually correct. As our commander in chief, he is responsible for determining what is and is not an imminent threat. That is true. And whether or not take action, he deems necessary to protect the safety and security of our troops, the American people in our country. That's just an actual fact. Okay. Yes, fair enough. But when she testified before Congress, they asked her like they asked her point blank a bunch of times about this.

And then she goes, that's not my job to determine what's an imminent threat. That's the job of the president. And if he says it is, then it is. Okay. So look at this here. Initially, she's contradicting Trump saying that Iran did not rebuild after the 2025 strikes, contradicting Trump. So this is also

It's not a lie, dude, because that is actually, his, well, I was wondering for that. I understand. But you did say that was a lie, which he said was a lie. Okay, fair enough. That was not a lie. But it was, but it is, but it's, it's avoiding actually correct. And if you're in a position like she's in, we've got that guy breathing down your neck and you're forced to make a statement. You've got to tread very carefully on this tight rope that you're walking. Okay, fine. But let's just say

hypothetically, then you know for a fact that Iran did not pose an imminent threat. And then that's your answer when you're asked if they did. Fine. It's not a lie, but it is very misleading to say the least. How much, well, okay, hold on, Intel chief gathered declines to say if Iran posed an imminent threat to you, she declined to say, on her own personally. But she, this is the congressional test. Yes, yes,

“yes, this is, I think this is what I was referring to here. And she does at one point say that it's not”

her job to make that determination, which I do think is her entire job. It's interesting. Look, maybe maybe I'm being a little harsh by saying lying in that example and fair enough to your point there. Like that technically is a true statement. I do think it's very misleading. And I do think that she really was the one who advocated against this specific war for the reasons that we're seeing unfold right now. Yeah. And I do think I get your point. It's a very tough tight rope to walk. The

options are essentially, I think, to do what Joe Kent did and resign or to stay on and support the thing. I mean, I think it's kind of hard to thread that needle. Right. Do you think positive there is any

value in being one of the few reasonable voices that has is here? Yeah. Ultimately, it is his responsibility

to determine what's an imminent threat and what is not. I would imagine that she gets access to most of the same classified information that he does as the director of national intelligence. Yeah, I don't know though. I don't know how it works. But what can she do other than try to be a voice of reason? If ultimately, this guy is going to do what he wants to do. Right. And he's going to do it also what he wants to do clearly. Yeah. And he's talked about it, you know?

“And also in his first term, I'll never forget this fucking conversation that he had with Steve”

Hilton. Because I think it was one of the first time since I was in that world. I've seen a president say in Steve Hilton, by the way, I've been friends with him for 12 or 13 years, met him and his family and Maui on the beach when my daughter's really young and his kids really young and his friends. We've hung out to get a location together. He's a sweetheart of a guy. I love that guy. And when he was interviewing Trump, Trump said that there is a military industrial

complex and these guys want to go to war. And we were like, what? You're just saying that? Like, you're just saying that. It's one of the many reasons why a lot of people liked him. Because he would do things like that where he would completely break protocol. I would just say, let me know. Let me let me let me let you know, rather let me inform you. There's a bunch of people that want to go to war by their pushing me all the time to go to war. That's what they want.

It was so crazy dude because also even Eisenhower when he coined the term, it was in his farewell address to the nation. He was literally like, this is my last stop and then I'm leaving. Trump was just in the middle of his presidency and he goes, all of them want war.

They all want me to be in war all the time. If it was up to them, we'd always be at war.

And I do, you know, now, look, that was great. I thought actually the one to me that was even crazier was if you remember when Delo Riley was interviewing him and he's talking about Vladimir Putin. And he goes, he's like, oh, well, you won't, you know, at the time Donald Trump, which he had run on, he was saying, we should have, they talked with Russia. He goes, like, why do we, you know, we have all the nuclear weapons people? Yeah, he goes, he goes, he goes, he goes, he Putin's a killer.

You want to have a deal with a killer? And he goes, we got a lot of killers too. And then he goes,

“whoa, what do you mean we got a lot of killers too? And he goes, what was a rack? What was that?”

We got a lot of killers on our side too. And then Delo Riley said, well, I mean, a rack was a mistake, but he goes, yeah, we got a lot of killers too. And I love that. By the way, I mean, that was a, that's breaking protocol. Yes. Yes. Well, I think this is kind of, I think, one of the main reasons why the establishment revolted against Trump the way they did. There's something very scary to the powers that they about a guy who, like, by his very nature, like, I don't even think he's

capable of not letting things slip. Right. You know what I mean? Like, he's just, that's who he is. And that, you know, was a big thing that people really didn't like about him. Very interesting

to me is that so many of the never Trumpers have come to define his presidency. Like, if you,

if you remember back in, in 2016, the, the warhawk kind of Israel, first, are Republican crowd,

was a never Trumper. He said, because of his deeply held principles, he could never support Donald

Trump. Mark Levin was a never Trumper. All of national review, all of them, and now they are the biggest Trump supporters ever as kind of he's blowing up the coalition that got him elected.

“So it's kind of interesting that they all, you know, you know, but again, that's how those”

guys do all stay off Twitter. There's not one thing that they ever say that makes them look better. They get in these silly fucking, they just feel like they're going to make some stupid fucking statement and then refute a couple of people and don't understand the crowd reaction when you've got thousands of people tweeting against you now, thousands to tack you destroying you posting memes, posting videos. You said this and you said that, you piece of shit. It's amazing.

It's crazy. I got to say, I do love that dynamic of it. There's, I love it too. There's something that's why I stay off of it. Yeah. Well, that's, you look, there's problems with it, but there is

something about that dynamic now that was just never true in the past where it's like,

look, I'm not saying it's perfect and obviously there's bots and there's things like that. So it's not like a, but the people kind of get a voice in a way that they never had before. Right. And there is something kind of cool about that. A hundred percent. I love it. But it's not all the people either. It's a lot of fake people. There's a lot of like stay sponsored actors. No, that's a lot of that's true. That's true. There's manipulation. But there was always manipulation in the old order also.

Do you see this YouTube bot farm that they've just busted? No. They busted this, this fucking warehouse had cell phones all rigged up for YouTube views. For people just, they would just hire a company and say, hey, you know, part of the problems? I can't refuse. I'd really like to blow the fuck up and get to number one. And you hugged them and they could get views. Interesting. Yeah. Well, it's also, I mean, I guess we've got advertisements. That's legit fraud. 100%. That's like

actual fraud. Yeah. 100%. And kind of a weird loophole where I don't think it's illegal. Yeah. That's got to be such a spot. It's got to be some type of fraud, though. If you're like, if you're intentionally doing that, like, maybe if you didn't know, right, you could, but listen, Twitter pays people. X pays people to post. So you pay based on engagement, right? That's how you get paid. So you far-mount engagement. So like, what percentage of what we're interacting with

is just horseshit? Well, I got so, um, let's say, I know this story just happened. I got a

“rest of it. I could guilty because he made, I think I think what happens, he made a fake band.”

Yeah, he had an air-generated song. He got, oh, wow. It played billions of times in an effort to mimic the genuine streaming activity of real consumers. Smith pled guilty today, conspiracy commit wire fraud, wire fraud. Check this out, though. I heard a similar story in Japan. First of all, let me stop you right there. Michael Smith generated thousands of fake songs using artificial intelligence. Hey, hey, hey, stop talking shit about AI music because it's not fake.

Those are real songs. Don't say fake songs. They, they're real songs. And some of them are fucking bangers. Unfortunately, some of them are really good. You're going to like what I was going to say that a guy was doing this in Japan and it got viral. And so he hired people to be the band. And now the band is a real band. Oh, kind of popular. So AI is creating jobs in this case. Yeah.

Well, you know, 70 Brent rules though. You can never create him in real life. He's the guy who

does the 50 set ones. Oh, yeah. I've seen quite a few guys. First of all, that guy was really

“to have the lungs like a fucking ultra marathon runner because the flow, like how can you even hear it?”

Say what you're saying. Like someone was saying that to me, she was like, I think you couldn't do this. And my argument was M&M. I was like, yeah, you could. You just have to be wicked at it. Like M&M. Like M&M and it's prime that mother fucker. Yeah, spit in a way where you're like, I can't believe he's still talking. Yeah, it was, I remember there were a couple of his things where I was like, I don't, can he actually do this? And then I saw him do it live. And not like I was there.

He told you too. Like where you're like, oh, he can actually run like recently. Yeah. I saw him recently. It was fucking great. He's still great. Then he looks good. Yeah, he's killing it man. He was killing it. But those, the speed in which that he can wrap made me go maybe AI's not Bolshin. But you know, 50 set himself was like much more casual in his delivery. Yes. You know, and it was much slower. The shifty Brent AI version is like, damn. That was a real person. I'd be pretty great.

He would be the greatest artist. I got there was a guy. I can't remember his name. But just like the other day. Some guy he works for Fox News. And he came out and had a whole post about me.

when he said that I was almost kind of like, there's a weird thing like, I know I've never

“paid for anything. But like, I don't know, you know what I mean? Like, what someone else might have”

done or something like that. But I asked him, but I, I, so I replied to him and I go, wait, what evidence do you have of this? And then he, his post was that he said, because I had nine hundred thousand followers on Twitter, but I'm playing laugh boss in this weekend. And he goes, that's a three hundred seat venue. So I play that obviously times too. Well, I was like, first of all, he doesn't understand. You just don't get comedy clubs, dude. Like, this is not, at first of all,

I'm doing five shows there. All right. By the way, come on out this weekend. Great club. Great club. Great club. Great club. One of my, one of my favorite weekends of last year. It's a fun. It's a fun, great room. But I was like, look, man, I sold that all the shows last year. Hoping to do the same this year. But I go, that is any, like, I just know the industry of stand-up comedy pretty well. And I was like, anybody who you're saying would be selling more than that. So

what's selling out big theaters or selling out a stadium or something like that. All the people who do that have more followers than me. So like, he's not even right about the ratio of whatever. He doesn't understand that. But then, but then, I kind of like, I, I grilled them on it a bit more because listen, I'm kind of like you. Like, when you were talking about Sue and CNN back in the

day for slander in you, like, I'm never actually going to do it. But I don't mind saying it.

You know what I mean? So like, so I tagged Fox News and I go, hey, Fox News shouldn't you have some evidence if you're going to make a claim like I'm clearly bothered by foreign influence or what Fox News actually said it? The guy works for Fox News. Was he on Fox News? No, he's not just going to Twitter. Twitter. But he's like a Fox News contributor or something like that. But I mean, UFC contributor wouldn't be like the UFC. Yeah, I guess I'm saying. I guess that's true. So I

don't know. Maybe it would just be him in either way. I'm not soon. Anyone got it. But I did want him to just,

“I go, just, just admit, you don't have any evidence for this. Like, just, yeah, but here's the thing.”

I would agree that your account is bothered because you're very controversial public figures. I'm sure you're all going to focus. I'm sure my account is bothered too. Right. I'm sure Jamie's account is bothered. 100% right? I'm not. I think Jamie liked to have bought himself. We're all bothered, man. If you look at, you know, we've brought up this up a million times. But there was an FBI former FBI analyst who analyzed Twitter before the purchase. And it was his take that as much as

80% might be artificial. Now, this is back then. Yeah, before Elon purchased it, I think they've done, they've taken some steps to try to ensure one of the things is you have to, you could go to the person's page. You could see what country they're posting from. Yes, I like that. Yeah, because there's a lot of people that are like pro America and you're like, hey, man, you're in Pakistan. Yeah. What's going on here? Yeah. This is kind of cookie. So there's a lot of that going on.

I've had before where people go like, Dave, you always say Israel's trying to lie us into war,

but this is America. We decide what war we're going to fight. I mean, you click it. Israel. Yeah. So David Israel, talking about at least we're getting steps to know those. Listen, if it wasn't for Elon Musk, we would be fucked. I've said this before. I'll say it again. History will go back and look at his purchasing Twitter. And it has changed the course of communication in this country for the better. I know a lot of you thought, oh my god,

the racism is up, but all this stuff is up. That's people. That's the internet. That is an

“accurate representation of people. It's not good, but it's also accurate. And the only way that's”

going to change is if the other voices are more compelling. And at least now they have an opportunity to do that. Yeah. Well, and you have to kind of engage in this, whether, I don't think you have to be on Twitter or something like that. But I'm just saying like, if you want to, you know, I would love very much to get to a place where like, you're like, hey, let's all agree that we're not on board with the bigotry stuff. And I mean, it's like, whether it's against white

men or whether it's against black men or whether it's against Jews or whether it's against Muslims or whatever. And I see a whole lot of all of that. And I'd love to move past that. I also would like, like, I wish there was a way that like, Mark Levin and Tucker Carlson could have like a cool conversation. You know what I mean? Not like, not like, but look, it's not Santa Claus and Jesus would come meet me for dinner. Well, both would be nice. The latter is more likely, I think,

to at this point. You know, I don't know if you saw this, but Ben Shapiro had, he made this video about like about Pierce Morgan and like going at him over having me on the show. And he went this whole thing. And so he says to me, or he said, you know, insults me a few times or whatever, and then he goes, now I can hear Dave Smith right now. And his response to this is debate me, bro, which fair enough, that kind of is always, but I only have one tool in my toolkit. Like,

because you're like, so he said, because I won't, I don't debate such intellectually dishonest people or or something like that. Which I thought was a weird criticism of me, like you could say I'm wrong, but I do believe the shit I say. Yeah, I don't think you're in the, I don't think

“in any demonstration of any, I don't think there's a single moment that I could point to that I think”

that you've been intellectually dishonest. I think that is like, factually incorrect. Well, then that's, that is gaslighting. You are very honest. You're a very honest person. And thank you, I try to be. No, you are. That is one of the things I love about you. You're honest about your fuckups, you're honest about what you're incorrect about and what bothered you. I'm planning about things that you said. You're, you're very honest. So that's a silly thing to say,

that's total gaslighting. Well, it's also, well, I look at it like this. And I don't, you know, honestly, like obviously Benchpira wanted to debate. I would, I would do it. Everybody before all this. You go, dude, you can't say I'm beyond the pale when you're known for debating 19 year olds who are confused about their gender. You know what I'm saying? Like, buddy, no, I don't know if you remember this. And this, this to me, I actually think is,

is very interesting. But I don't know if you remember this. But on this show, Ben was on years ago.

“And this is what, you know, years before October 7th or anything like that. But he was saying,”

he was talking about Israel as defense for Israel. And you went, uh, you go, that's interesting. Would you ever debate someone, you know, who's a critic of Israel? And just, just generically, not about a specific person. And he goes, absolutely. I'd be happy to do that. And, you know, the thing about guys like that is that, a particularly with Benchpira, for the last two and a half years, his number one issue, Israel, has been the number one

topic of conversation. And in that time, Israel's support has been bleeding. I mean, just like, to a level you couldn't have imagined. You could have imagined two and a half years ago to go, this will be a pro-Palestinian country. That was unthinkable. And it's become that. And forget me,

there's way better people than me. Benchpira debated no one. He never once had a conversation with

a competent critic of Israel. And that, listen, people saw that. People noticed that. And so, I kind of in a weird way, feel like it's like, hey, dude, I don't care if you do the debate with me or not. I wish, I don't think we ever can. I wish there would be a world where we can have a good faith conversation, like a guy with me and Benchpira. But he refused to do it with anyone. Anyway, so while you're smearing everybody who's a critic of Israel, you're not willing

to like, listen, there are some people who don't debate. But he branded himself as the debate guy. Right. If you don't like Dave, sit down. What's God Horton? Sure. Absolutely. Scott Horton's way smarter than me and knows way more shit than me anyway. So talk to him about good. I mean, he's a better guy. You're saying that this is the reason why you won't do it. That sounds crazy because wouldn't you want to debate someone who's intellectually dishonest because

it would be so easy to refute them with facts. Exactly. So come who'd be perfect? It's like sparring a guy who knows fake kung fu. You know, thinks he's got a death touch and you're dust and pour you. You're like, oh, yeah, bro. Laced the gloves up. Let's go. Well, that was kind of my thing with the Douglas Murray thing, too, where it was like at a certain point, you're like, dude, you can't just say you're an expert and I'm not an expert, but demonstrate that that.

That if that's the case, then it should be easy for you to just chop me up in front of the world right now. Some things that you had to correct him on. Yeah, there's two things. Yeah, we just got it wrong. And you could see like the tremor in his eyes like, oh, shit. Like, they don't want to give up that ground because they're playing a very different game. And the game is not, let's be intellectually honest about what we think is going on and what we think is good and bad about what's going on versus

I'm trying to win. Yeah. And one of the ways I try to win is by I can appeal to authority. You're you're in an expert. You know, you're not of this. You're not a professor. You don't

you've never been there. Yeah. That kind of shit. That that that is all like hack ass fake

gun food moves. You know, you're going to try on Francis and Conno. You know what I mean?

“Yeah, like it's like, because we're good luck with that. You say, you should not that I'm comparing”

you to friends. You know, this is just for Francis. Certainly not for the coming to fight, but you must rather fight me. This rod of rousey card. They got Francis fight in Phillip Lens, Phil's Phillip Lens, who's a light heavyweight in the UFC and the UFC cut him and he's fighting the scariest heavyweight who's ever walked the face of the earth. I mean, next to him, I'm time Alster over him. Prime time Alster over him when he was Uber him, I think is even scarier. I think

because he was way skillful. Like he was terrifying when he was on the sauce. Yes, but even Francis was the same where. Francis was the same where. Francis almost has a thing where it just seems like you you have to fight a perfect perfect against him. Yep, which steep by me.

Oh, you did. This first fight. They're first by me. He took a lot of shots. That's the thing about

steeper. Like steeper could take a shot. And you would see he did like jab him and he'd be robbed, but he'd still get the takedown and he'd still and he'd be in a skill. He'd been with skills,

Francis is a fucking terrifying thing. Dude, my favorite, my favorite commentary ever in a fight was when when DC said it was just so hilarious to me. It was so real. Like he just meant it. But it was when when Francis and Ghana fought gone and he grappled a little bit in that

fight, which we had never seen him do before. But there was one point where there he was on the ground

and he like took his back or something like that. Like he passed his guard or he took his back or something like that. And DC just goes, oh my god, he's doing jujitsu now. It was like he was speaking of a robot who just worried how to feel feelings. He goes, oh my god, it's learning. It's advancing. Right. This is so terrifying that a guy does that much of a destroyer that learns how to take backs and triangle people to and control you from the back and blast you unconscious. Like he did

with that dude in the PFL and his last fight took his back and just blasted him into another world. Yeah, that's that's scary. He's the scariest guy that's ever fought in the UFC. That was the next of that dude for saving us like natural clean guy. I should say that. Okay. Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah, because we only got a couple Alstra over him fights where he was Ubering. The big one being Brock Lesnar. And that was the big one.

And of course the other fight on that card that they added, which is huge is the Nate Diaz. Well, here's my point. Nate Diaz is fighting. I just, yes, I'm paying whatever you're charging. I'm going to be wherever it is. And it's Mike Perry. Great fight. Bad motherfucker. Yep. That's a great fight. But my point is they also have Rob Bellus to Spain.

“Who's on the card? Who's a six foot seven, Cuban, Taekwondo expert?”

Who's a heavyweight. He's a knockout artist. Like why does he have him? He's fighting Junior Dos Santos. And Junior Dos Santos is, you know, he's, he's out of a lot. He was an all-time great, but he had a long career. And he said it's a bad knockout. Some wars too. Bad wars. The wars that came Velázquez took years off his life. All right, that was those day. It was almost criminal that didn't stop both of those fights. Well, it were definitely horrible and terrible to watch. But the point is, Rob Bellus is huge.

He's a real heavyweight. He's a big giant knockout artist. Like that would have been an interesting fight versus Francis. Big super tall guy that's hard to hit. Yeah. And if it just is a striking fight, the problem with Rob Bellus, he got exposed in his last UFC fight on the ground. He got beat up on his ground games, not that good. Could have gotten better. But on the feet, that's a little bit more interesting to me than Phillip. All of Phillips is a skillful fighter. You know, he's just he's used to

fighting at light heavyweight. UFC cuts him and now all of a sudden he's fighting against Francis. Yeah, that's a little bit of a mismatch. But hey, I mean, you know, we've seen crazy shit happen. I said, I'm a little bit of a Felipe. I think it's pronounced Felipe, Felipe and Lens. But he's a good fighter. And he's not, it's not a bad fight in that sense. But it's like you're going up against a guy with a

chip on a shoulder that they're paying $20 million is the linear, I don't know what they're paying.

I'm just guessing. But he's the linear heavyweight champion of the world, the real one. Like if you really like plot it out, no one beat him for the title, that's a that's a crazy fight. It's like

“that's how shallow the heavyweight division is outside of the UFC. There's so few fights for”

you to get Francis for. This so few fights in the UFC. I mean, the UFC's heavyweight division is a real mess. It's very hard to find gigantic men who are excellent fighters, I guess. There's a lot in Russia. Okay. Yeah. There's guys that are fighting in other countries that are really good that are coming up. It's just like, it's hard to get him over here. There's Josh Hoked. He's a bad motherfucker. Oh, what does that sort of dude who's crazy? He has these crazy speeches

after the fight puts on an American flag band down. Oh, and he said, Brittany Griner has a dick. Like he said. Great. Brittany Griner's a man. He said, but he's just nuts. He's but he's also like really smart about marketing. Who's the other guy? You you talked about him several times. He's the Olympic wrestler guy. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's not. Yeah. He's not in yet, though. He's not in. I had him on the podcast. He's not in the UFC yet. Yeah. When he's in the UFC,

he's going to be a fucking problem. Olympic gold medalist and league wrestler moves like a cat 250 pounds, young, super dedicated and just recently learned striking and it's fucking people up with his hands. Yeah. And it's picking it up quite quickly. And is a John Jones protege. So he's been being mentored by the goat and absorbing his mindset and that guy's helping him. He's investing

“his time into training. But if you're a young guy, you know what a fucking boost of confidence?”

The greatest of all time says you're going to be the man. Yeah. You're going to be the fucking man. You just stick with this plan and they're bringing him up the right way. He fought dirty boxing. He fought some small MMA organizations. He's just like building up experience. Yeah. And there's not

there's never been a lot of, but there's not really right now in the heavyweight landscape.

where there used to be these like guys who were like kind of known for fighting off their back.

You know what I mean? Like most heavyweights don't really like fighting off their back. These, even the guys who are really good at jujitsu, I also think just in general, fighting off your back is a lot harder than it used to be. But Brazil for Doom was the greatest. Yes. Yes. That's a great excitement. He was the best at it. But there aren't really that many guys like that. A lot of these guys, you take them down, they're in trouble. Yeah. And when you got a guy like Gabriel Guess what

bitch, you're going to get taken down. And there's not a fucking thing you can do about it. That is a next level. I saw the wrestler. I just saw the one, one of his recent fights where he, uh, he's finishing a double leg before he realized he knocked the guy out. Yeah. He came with some of the

left hook and he's so fast that as the guys collapsing on the way down, he shoots a double, connects,

takes them to the ground while he's unconscious. Yeah. So before the guy has a chance to drop,

“that's how fast he is. He's already on him, take it him down and pounds him out while he's already”

unconscious. Yeah. That was scary. Whoo. That guy's a problem. He's a problem. And that's an American heavyweight motherfucker. We need one of those. We need some American champions. We're down. Gentlemen, the White House. Yeah. I mean, are there any American champions right now? Who are the American champions? McKenzie Dern is the strawweight champion. So she's technically an American. Although her dad is a very famous Brazilian legend. Okay. Yeah. Megaton Diaz is her dad.

And she was a Giu-Giu-Giu-Giu-Giu-Giu-Giu-Giu champion. But she is American. So she's a champion.

Other than that, who Sean Strickland's fighting for the title. Kail Harrison. That's right.

Kail is it. So it's only women that are the Americans. Yeah. Look at that boy. You're going to see a lot of those dudes with those beards. That's the one over here. You're going to see a Joshua van is an American. That's right. You got a lot of those dudes. That's a caveat, though, the Joshua van.

“No disrespect for Joshua because I think he's an awesome fighter. But he won that fight.”

We got to have a re-match on that one. That was a freak injury. I mean, he fell and dislocated his arm. It's a complete freak injury. And Pantoja still hasn't fully recovered from that. So it was pretty bad, but over the fucker. They said his shoulder dislocated and his elbow. Yeah. I remember here in that after where it looked like it was just his elbow. Uh-huh. But they said the doctor said it was his shoulder. And so what the thing about the elbow is the elbow is a less complicated joint.

Right. And so when the elbow gets dislocated, if someone just pulls on it, it can pop back into place. So like saying that there's, it's only didn't know what they're doing, right? Because you don't want to do it like Yuri Prohaskas team didn't rip his shoulder apart and they need surgery. You probably need surgery anyway. It was dislocating like that. It was probably loose. But the point is that like his elbow might have popped back into place by the time they brought him

“back stage. And that's when they realized his shoulder was fucked. Because his shoulder probably”

hurt more even though. Right. Right. That was unfortunate. Because that was interesting. They dislocate a lot. You know, and you know, sometimes people dislocate their shoulders and don't even realize they do. Really? And I apparently, according to my, the orthopedic surgeon that I went to back in the day before I realized that stem cells could fix it. This guy was convincing me that I had to have surgery. And one of the things he said, "Do you know that your shoulder

has been dislocated?" And I said, "It has?" He goes, "You didn't know?" I go, "No." He was, "How long, how many times you heard your shoulder? How much time you got?" He said, "Look at this, sit down and talk about it. We times have been, come forward. How many times have been fucking armed? How many times have been caught at triangle? How many times, you know, posting on the ground, have jostled my shoulder?" The good news is there have been no fractured or

ligament injury. That's great. Oh, that's behompa said that. So from that, we have great expectations for his return. But the exact time for his still unknown still needs a lot of physiotherapy. Start moving his arm. Wow. Then he can go back to light training and then hard training. But we got to get that guy down to fucking the CPI in, you know, the cellular performances to the UFC uses, get that dude down to Tijuana. I'm worried about the new model for the UFC.

The paramount model? I'm worried about the worn around and the new UFC model. This is what keeps me up at night. I get it. So what are you worried about? Well, the new UFC model. I, I'm no genius, but it seems to me like, I'm a hardcore fan of the UFC, right? So I was, you know, like, order every paper for you, right? Everyone, you know, and so every, any Saturday, if I'm on the road in my green room, we're watching the UFC, if I'm not on the road, I'm either at home watching

it or I'm trying to go to the event of its in town. Right. So then it's like, okay, ESPN is over. We're not doing that anymore. So then there go we're switching a paramount. Now I already had paramount because like my kids like some shows on Paramount. Yep. So now, landman. Yeah. Oh yeah,

well, that's easy enough. And then I, I'm awake. So wait a minute. Hold on. So you tell me, I just get every one for free now. I just don't have to order paper views anymore. And there's just something about that. Now, I'm not saying whether this is Paramount's mistake or the UFC's mistake or whatever, but just like the basics of business to me go. So you just had a loyal customer who's very happy to pay for every paper view. And I'm just not now. Like this just on some

what now, I understand it's because Paramount gave him a whole bunch of money. But on some level, I go number one, I go, but how is this good for business if the customer no longer has to pay for a thing that I was happily paying for? Let me correct you. Okay. Sure. First of all,

Paramount, the idea of doing this and investing $7 billion into the UFC of the next few years,

the, the positive that they're going to get from that with loyal new customers is massive. So if you're using it to a whole new audience, if you're a loyal paper view buyer,

“if you spend, what is it 70 bucks for a paper view? I think something. So 70 bucks for this big”

time, paper view card. Now you get it for free. You just have to pay for Paramount plus every month for the year. You're saving so much money. Yeah. So the amount of new people that are going to go, oh, this is awesome. I don't have to pay for paper view anymore. So I pay for Paramount plus, and I get all these awesome shows too, because Paramount plus has a ton of migration that's a great deal for the consumer. So they, you get roped in through that, and then you go looking

around on Paramount plus and you stay a loyal subscriber. They have all these years with this new influx of viewers from the UFC deal to build up more of a library. So more shows, it's huge for business. Okay. Fair enough. You take their app from where it is now and take their streaming model from where it is now and quadruple it over the next X amount of years. So they're okay. So for them, they're bringing in the UFC audience. And some of the people would look at a paper view card.

“It looked I would buy every one of them. Even when I was working for the UFC, I would go on”

ESPN plus and I would buy them. Even though I was there, I was like, I want to be able to watch it in the gym. I get home. I'm going to buy it. And so you've got all these people that were looking at those cards that were like this one, I don't know. I don't know if that's where 70 bucks. If you're on a budget and you look at it this one, you're like, who's fighting? Now I'm going to pass on this one. I'll watch it a couple of weeks on ESPN plus, because you could just wait a few weeks. I don't

know how long the time frame is. You can wait a few weeks and you can watch it. This, you don't have to do that anymore. It's 10 bucks a month. What does paramount plus a month? How much does it across? Let's find out. So we're accurate. But you're saving so much money. But also on ESPN, they charged you as something like that, too. Like you had to pay an ESPN, right fee, and then you had to pay for each individual paper view. So no, listen, I'm saving $1,000. Okay, $13,99 a month

or $139 a year. For the ad-free premium plan, which includes Showtime, new and former subscribers

can currently get any monthly plan for $2,99 a month for the first two months. So for a new

subscriber, you could try it out for two months for $2,99 a month and watch every UFC for $2,99 a month for two months. It's fucking worth it. No, then you're getting the huge influx of people that, you know, if you're on a budget, you're not going to subscribe to paramount plus. You're already got Netflix. Netflix costs X amount of money. Maybe you got HBO Max. That's X amount of money. I can't afford paramount, too. I don't want to pay another $10 bucks a month or $14 a month.

Now, you just, it's easy. Yeah. No paper views. Yeah. They made, they made a lot of wives of hardcore fans happy. Oh, sure, for that. I don't have to buy these papers. Yeah, they get the power amount shows and they don't have to do that. All right, fair enough. I guess it's just, um, in some ways, I guess, and I don't really have much of a mind for business, but in some ways, there's just a

thing where it's like, we've always done it this way. Now, we're doing it a whole new way. Yeah,

but it's been on streaming for the last few years. Yeah, that's always been on an app anyway. And then paramount, you could get it on Apple TV, you can get it on Android TV, you can get it on all these different things. It's like there's no reason to not have it. It's easy. It's just great for as a business move for paramount. It was a smart fucking move because you get this built-in hardcore fan base. Now have some of the cards been lackluster. Yes, but guess what, that has always been the case.

Yeah, that's just a matter of time. Go eventually watch Rose Nama Unis versus Carlos Sparza. There's been some fights back in the day that just weren't great. Yeah. And there's been cards that even though they look good on paper in reality, they were at so fun. Yeah, but I also,

“I'm with you, because I remember you used to say this back in the day all the time. But I am like a”

purist fan in MMA in the sense that like, all of that is like, I don't care. Like I feel like,

Even in a fight that's a bad fight, because if you remember the Frank Mir crow cop, there's a good example of this where it was just a boring fight, the entire fight. And then there's a spectacular knockout at the end of it. And even if that doesn't end up happening,

you're always watching like that could happen at any moment. So like, I also, I also am with you.

I believe in like, uh, I don't believe in standups. I don't think anyone should ever be stood up.

“Yeah. I don't think you should be separated for a stalemate or whatever. It's like, if someone puts”

you in that position, then yeah, you gotta get out of the get up. If they're not doing enough on the top, that's silly. Sean O'Malley explains why piracy led to the U.S., he's massive paramount deal. Oh, interesting. There's a lot of people that don't pay for it every week, but there's a lot of people that won't. That makes sense. They're streaming it illegally. That makes sense. I knew there was a lot of that because there was sites that you could go to and people would openly talk about it.

You can go to it and just watch the paper view. It's a good move, dude. It's a good move for for the business. It's just like, they just need a few banger cards to make people forget about the stalemates.

You gotta always, that will happen. Yeah. It's inevitable. You're gonna have stalemates. I'm

concerned about the White House fight. I'm concerned about it, not just from security standpoint. I'm concerned about it because it's outside, it's June, and it's in Washington, D.C.

“When you, if it's hot out, and it could very well be. Like, what's the average temperature?”

I looked this up the other day. Average 67% humidity in last year or 2024 is 100 degrees on June 14th. Okay. Okay. And I think it's supposed to be a good deal. Yeah, that's an issue. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's a fucking big problem, dude. That's a big problem. You are going to radically affect their performance. If you make people fight in 100 degree temperature with 67% humidity outside. You're also going to radically affect my ability to do commentary. Okay.

My fucking head doesn't have any hair. The top of my head is going to be beat red. I'm going to have to put some toxic sunscreen on it. You're going to see me with that white zinc powder that the surfers use on their nose. It'll be all over the, I'll make like fake hair with like white zinc. My head's going to get as light as an issue. 80% of the thunderstorms with highs in the middle. Okay. Are they building a tent? Is this outside outside? Or is it outside in a tent? Are they going

to have like fans blowing cold air on us? You know how much DC's going to complain? The fucking dude. He's going to be right next to me. He's sure it's going to be soaked. Yeah, that's a

“build up. You have to tell with mine because I always wear black anyway, but everybody with a white”

shirt or a blue shirt, if Anna has a light blue shirt on, his pits are going to be fucking filled up with sweat. It's going to be ridiculous. That also like really legitimately changes the actual fight. It's one hundred percent. Isn't that like the rendering of it? Okay. So they're, I don't see any AC there, bro. How are you going to get AC on those people? What is that going to be like? That sounds fucking insane to do that in June, just because that's a fun time to do it. I mean, if I was just

in Gachie or I was Ilya Toporia, if I was just in Gachie, I mean, first of all, he has to take the fight. It's a historic fight. It's not the White House. He's a true red blooded American. He wants to win the title at the White House. Come on. You have to do it. But he's 37 years old. He's had a long career and he's fighting maybe the most lethal guy he's ever faced. Yeah. The one guy out of all the guys he faced that can shut the fucking lights out with one shot every time. His last three

fights is the craziest resumé in the history of this sport knocks out Alexander Volkanovsky, knocks out Max Holloway, knocks out Charles Olivera to it, featherweight, one at Lightweight, all of them level. I wouldn't even say, well, I guess it's debatable. But certainly you could make an argument the two best feather weights of all time. Yes. And one of the greatest light weights of all time. And

by the way, I know MMA math is never perfect. But you look at what Olivera just did to Max Holloway.

Yeah. Who I love more of my favorite fighters of all time. Well, you look at what Charles Olivera just did to Max Holloway. And then you think about the way Iliatoporia handled him. I mean, the first round. And not what was to me, almost as impressive as the knockout was handling him on the ground. Yeah. Past is guard. He tried to take him down. Think about the weight. He got one of those body locks and tried to take him down. Think about the weight. How helpless Max Holloway was for that.

How helpless. A whole bunch of guys we've seen are when he gets his hands around you. And Iliatoporia, he tried to do that. He ends up on top and passes his guard right away. Also, he ate a really clean elbow early in that fight. And just was like nothing. Like I showed it off like it was nothing. He's a special talent. So, but then again, when you are dealing with special talents and great great fighters, like Justin, who this is probably his last opportunity to fight for the title.

I want that out of the perfect conditions. You want that to be in and arena where it's 72 degrees

or distractions because you're warming up at the White House. Like, what do you have tents with

“mats on them and these guys are going to be slipping around and puddles a sweat. They're shadow boxing”

in the situation room. Who's going to slip on sweat and blow their ACL out? I mean, if you're ever done striking on mats when a bunch of dudes have been training like in a class, it's so fucking slippery man. If it's that hot, it's going to, unless they have these mats and where they're getting set up in air conditioned building somewhere. Unless they have a mobility. Yeah, maybe they can do that. I hope they think that through. I hope they think that through. I hope they prepare it.

It's just, I don't like, I like the idea that it's like this big celebration of the USC that the president loves. The UFC so much. I want to do it at the White House, but in practice, I don't like it at all because you've got two world titles. You know, you've got the interim heavyweight world title and then you've got this world title with Justin and Iliya at 55. I don't like it. I want those, I want those to be at the T mobile. I want those to be at the

Madison Square Garden Arena. I want, you know, I want those to be somewhere dope. The T.D. Garden Boston. Put it, put it in a fucking real arena where it's air conditioned

dammit. Yeah. These are amazing fights. I don't want anybody fighting when it's 100 degrees outside.

That's also crazy. And correct me if I'm wrong, but also I would think it's, you're going to get sweaty so quick in what they're like that. And that is a big deal for like grappling. It's stuff like that. I mean, that's a huge advantage if you're trying to not get grappled by someone. There's another factor. These are people that just were radically dehydrated 24 hours ago. And then you're asking them to compete in a sauna. You're basically asking them

to fight in a sauna. That is still so crazy to me that there's not a way that we can just get two guys who weigh 180 pounds to fight at 180 pounds. I've had instead we have to have two guys who weigh 180 pounds, cut down to 150 pounds. And then rehydrate up to 180 pounds to fight 180 pounds. And weaken themselves, like radically weaken themselves. I see those guys the day they weigh in, the worst ever that I ever saw was Travis Looter. So Travis Looter. I remember he missed

weight. But I was backstage for all of it, right? So this was back when the weigh ends were the time of the actual weigh ends. It wasn't the ceremonial weigh end. Like now they give them more time. You could weigh in in the morning. And then by the ceremonial weigh ends, it's usually 5pm. Usually these guys have significantly rehydrated. They do it slowly, but they have a process to it. But Travis missed weight. And so I was backstage while they gave him X amount of time to make the weight.

And dude, he couldn't walk. He was shuffling, shuffling. Like he couldn't pick his legs up. His lips were cracked. His face was dry. He looked like he was going to die. He looked like a guy who had been shipwrecked, you know, and like lost at sea and just drinking his own piss for a week.

“And then they finally rescued him. That's what it looked like. Right, he was dying. I guess right.”

I mean, that is what he was looking at. And then 24 hours later, he has to fight the greatest middleweight of all time. He has to fight Anderson, Motherfuck, and Silva in his prime. And did, for that being the story, did remarkably well. He got viciously, uh, elbows, it was elbowing the triangle. Yeah, that would not have happened if Travis wasn't compromised. Travis was a real problem back there. Yeah. And he was a best jujitsu guys to ever compete in MMA. And he was stylistically

kind of like the best shot against Anderson Silva at that exactly. And because Anderson was just on touch and he got him down, got him into good positions a few times, even though he was fucked

from the wake-up. But the thing was, he never made the way. So even if he would imagine what

the guy on the title, the whole thing was fucked. Yeah. But it's like I've advocated for there's a solution. One of them is multiple weight classes that are additional to what we have. Have one at least every 10 pounds and it probably should be more. And a lot of people push back against that. But listen, 10 pounds for an elite athlete is a big fucking deal. 20 pounds is crazy. So when you go like 85 to 205, that's crazy. Yeah. That's too much weight. It's too much of a gap. You could have

multiple champions in between those weight classes. And it's just better for the sport overall. You've got more champions and more champion versus champion matchups you can make. Well, there's it also, first of all, it's very unhealthy and dangerous. And that's the biggest issue. But then it also makes it a thing where it's like now there's two factors. It's not just who's the best fighter. It's also who's the best at dehydrating themselves, losing a ton of weight and rehydrating

“themselves. And also, I think like I've heard, I've heard GSP say before that like some people are”

just naturally better at that. Yeah. Some people just fluctuate and wait more. Some people can

lose a lot of weight and then gain it all back the other day. And he used to always say, I just can't

fighter is. Exactly. We don't care about who's the best at dehydrating that it haphors your ability should be removed from the equation, especially if it's something like this. But there's a solution. First of all, there's a real silliness to the MMA weight classes. And while I say silliness, our names that we use have been owned by boxing for more than a hundred years. And the names that we use are for different weight classes than boxing uses. Yeah. That's dumb. Yeah. That is dumb

“as shit. Like if you want to have a 170 pound champion fantastic, but don't call it a well to weight.”

Because well to weight is 147. Right. It's been 147 for over 100 fucking years. The fact that you have a 147 champion and you call that or 145 champion, you call that a featherweight. Featherweight is

126. Yeah. That's what it's been in boxing forever. Lightweight has always been 135. That's what

Julio says are shot as was the champ of 135. 135. Lightweight's 155 and the UFC like come up with your own names. Yeah. Why do we still have these two? I never thought about that. It's a good point. They attach these names to it when they first started developing weight classes. Because it used to just be one weight class. Oh, another one on this. Why? And I think you've mentioned this before. Why am I not getting the leg reach? They do that sometimes. Do they? Yeah. Because I've seen like, but on the

regular scale of the tape, it'll still just be reach. Yeah. But in this because that actually for MMA, that's such a huge deal. Sure. Like it's such a huge, because like it's you're kicking. Yeah. If you're

“in kicking range of me, but you know what I mean, but you can't touch me, your jab doesn't matter”

as much as in boxing, you know? Right. Some guys, they have really long legs for their torso.

Right. My friend Larry, my friend Larry Jones from my Taekwondo days, he had this short torso. What is this? All those leg reaches longer than steep waves. Well, that's crazy. That's right. That's crazy. steep edges has a way longer torso. That's nuts. Oh, wow. That's crazy. Well, although it's such a good kicker. It's probably part of the reason why my friend Larry had this short torso. Like really short, but he was like 6-3 and he was all legs. And he was this insane

kicker. He was like a freak. Like he was made in a lab. And when guys would fight him, like you'd see guys in tournament's fight him, they'd be like, what the fuck am I going to do with this? His reach was so nuts. And he was so fast with his kicks. And you couldn't get anywhere close to him. If you were in his weight class and you were normally built. Right. His torso was shorter than mine.

“But he's crazy long legs and long arms. Yeah. Like some people are just built certain ways. And”

for striking, it's a giant problem. There's another thing that makes Elia deporia so fucking unbelievably impressive. He's not tall at all. Yeah. You know? And he's just flat-igning people. Oh, I mean, Charles Olivera looked so much bigger than him. Oh, in that fight. And so much bigger than Max, too. Various big. It's like, look, this sports fine. It's not, it's not trouble. Sports not in trouble. The heavyweight division of the trouble. The heavyweight division is kind of fucked. It's in a weird

situation. The Alex Pereira thing is very interesting. Alex Pereira versus Cyril gone is very, very, very interesting. Because Cyril gone is a problem. That guy is a problem. He's super athletic. He's really fast. He's super skillful with striking. His moly tie is absolutely elite. And he does a lot of things different than what a lot of people do. And is anyone, because even Francis, like I was saying before, grappled with him a lot in that fight, obviously John Jones took him down

and choked him. But has anyone really stood toe to toe and beat him up? No. No, no one's beat him up toe to toe. Tie to evasa went to the toe and tried to. But he got lit up. Yeah. To Cyril gone is a problem. And even if he was doing it in the little drama, he was winning. He's tough. He's tough to fight like that, man. Not just tough. He was like getting off on aspirin. And it did look good for aspirin. I mean, it's very unfortunate that he got his eyes poked. I mean, that we really never

got to see what happens if you drag Cyril deep water. The way Tom went adjusted for the second

round or third round, which we've never really seen at a Tom either. It was very interesting

where we got robbed of that, you know, but we got robbed of that. And poor Tom, he said two fucking eye surgeries. And then he felt like the UFC disrespect to them. The whole thing's a mess. Well, I don't know that the UFC, but a lot of fans did disrespect and I saw that which is crazy. They just like, this is really stupid. We talked about this last night. It should be one point period if you poked someone in the eyes. If you poked someone in the eyes, one point. Well,

especially if the fingers go in the eyes, if it's like a glancing thing like that, maybe get a warning, but in a nut shot, straight nut shot, one point. They're slancing thing. Maybe a warning. I think that could be up to the judge discretion upon view of the replay. Yeah, well, the thing is that and we were talking about this last night. If you, so if you land a nut shot and it's accidental,

it's okay. Maybe not almost always. But so I just see this all the time in MMA.

It's the first one. It was an accident. This guy gets kicked in the nuts. He needs a few minutes. Usually they don't take the full five or whatever they're offered. And then you just go back. It's like, look, even if it was an accident, that's such an advantage to the guy who who kicked him in the groin. You hurt him. You hurt this guy. And now he's got to get back to it. And

there's no. So like it does seem like they're almost has to be some accounting for that. And

“there's, I think there's still, it's still a very young sport. I think there is still too much”

referee discretion. But there should be like an official rule for what we do in this situation. And that's like the outcome of fouls. It's like, it doesn't exist in basketball, right? If somebody fouls somebody in basketball and everybody sees it, that that's a foul. Yes, right? And the crowd will go nuts, usually. But it'll be like a real one like throwing someone to the ground. I can show you examples. There are some fucking wild things that don't

“get called forever. Don't you think that's a little bit of the corrupt referees? I'm not saying”

all of them. But that is one thing that's been 100% proven. This is that referees do get paid off in order to influence gambling lines. Yeah, there was that one referee who who confirmed that it was the, um, the Sacramento Kings versus the Lakers, which was like a series that was like notoriously, like everyone was like, yeah, it was crazy. They didn't call any of these fouls on the Lakers. And they called all these fouls. And then a referee went and was like, oh yeah, yeah, that's where we're,

“and it does kind of make sense. Because it was the, it was the shack and Kobe Lakers. You got to”

get them in the finals, dude. Yeah. There's big money. God, it's so gross. His defense weirdly was like, they didn't, no one told us what to do. But you kind of know what they want. So you sort of do it. And then you keep, keep, keep putting on good games and you keep getting a good stuff. Hang 'em. Public hanging. Fuck you. But we can deal, we can deal with Congress's insider trading. But basketball must be a fair judge's hanging and, um, hang them all in front of the kingdom. All right, dude.

Anything else, pull you up this up? Uh, no, thank you for letting him do an expert talking to me with you. I love, I love talking to non-expert. Do, thank you so much for everything as

always do. They're the fucking man, I love you. You're the fucking man, too. I love you, too.

We'll have fun tonight, right? Uh, I come in and you leave and go, ready to go or damn last night was fun. There was a lot of fun. A lot of fun. All right. Bye everybody. [Music]