Ep. 849: Fur Bans, Gonad Jerky, and Connor “Bass Head” Hellebuyck

Welcome to Meet Eater's 12 and 26

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12 of Meet Eater's biggest and baddest hunts from the last year released throughout 2026. These are long-form episodes, so you get more of what you love.

The first one up is my baited bear hunt in Manitoba.

If you've ever wondered what a baited bear hunt is like, you'll love this episode. My favorite part was watching a younger bear spend an hour trying to figure out how to get a creatively hung beaver carcass down from a tree.

Check it out now on Meet Eater's YouTube channel and be on the lookout for more 12 and 26 in the coming months. Welcome to the new show, Mother Lakers. Today we're covering Colorado's dumb first sale ban. Iowa, this is a different subject.

Subject one, Colorado's dumb first sale ban. Two, Iowa is hunting for volunteers who can tell one frog call from another. Three, while Johnny himself has a caught a disease called seal finger, he's going to tell us about it.

Four, the red snapper wars continue in the American southeast, five bobcat prices, bobcat prices,

“go through the roof, like way through the roof.”

Six, Mark Canyon has some stuff you'd like to get off his chest. Seven, we're going to talk to American hero, gold medalist, hockey, golly, Connor Helebach, who and all honesty, yeah, I'll save it. Not a huge sports guy, but I know patriotic

stirrens when I feel it. Join today by Jonas Patel's Mark Canyon, Dr. Rand, a William Spencer Newhart, Brody Haderson, as usual, here, we're going to start out with our news for that, and we've thrown over to Mark Canyon for his news.

Well, there's a lot of news on my end. Start with this new gig at meet-it-er. Moving from just being like the, the market. White tail guy is whatever one referred me to. And now, director of conservation, so I've got some cool

new projects coming out because of that. One of which, I guess I can tease now, is a new podcast. Awesome, which I'm excited about. That'll be dropping late Aprilish.

And I first pitched this as a Mark Canyon Unleashed,

just like for him, I've had to kind of box around me.

“That's like, you got to live in the White Tail World, which”

I love, which is a big part of me. But then there's this other whole other half of my life. Unfenced. OK, I like that. Like that.

But yeah, Unleashed Unfenced, it didn't pass the muster of all of our smarter folks here in the company. But more, more seriously. What's it called now? Future wild with Mark Canyon.

I don't mind Unleashed Unfenced. Unfenced sounds a little weird. Well, I think it's too late for that. It's too late and too broad. You caught dropped.

There's already a thing with that. Well, it's good he called it. I mean, like your antlers fell off. Oh, OK, but that's not about antlers. That's the things I'm trying to get away from antlers.

They've dropped off. [LAUGHTER] OK, I'm a little faster. Mark, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK. So future wild is going to be my place

to talk about all things beyond just white tales. But really, it's like at the intersection of hunting, fishing, wildlife, and wild places, but with a view towards the future. So if I'm talking to a biologist about tarpen,

it's going to be what's the future hold for them, God. Admittedly, if we're digging into something about meal there, it'll be exploring what's next or what can we do or what does this mean for next year or next decade. So yeah, really excited about it.

It's going to be a chance to get to talk to a lot of the people and about topics that I've long been fascinated by and do in my spare time, but haven't been able to have a platform to talk about a public. I like that idea about going into the future.

I'd be like, yeah, just let's tell an old drink and stories. Do you tell a drink of stories about what you'd like to have happen, you know? Yeah, that's dope, there's lots of drinking stories.

No, that's a good idea. What is the future of? Yeah. And so it's gotten me. It's given me the opportunity to, you know,

have a reason to read all the books that I already read. Yeah. Give me an excuse. Make sure you feel like you're not being lazy when you're reading books.

They're paid to do it. Get paid to read the books I already want to read. No. It gives me an excuse to get to reach out and talk to people that I've long wanted to talk to.

So we've got three or four episodes in the can already and it's really interesting once come down the pipe. What do you give me the tease and subjects for me?

So the first handful, yeah, there's going to be

a conversation with, it goes deep into Caribou right now.

It's going with them. That's interesting.

“Yeah, there's one that explores habitat fragmentation”

in island beat biogeography and really what's happening is more and more large landscapes become metaphorically islands. Can I make a prediction? Yeah, that gets worse.

Spoiler. Yeah, so that one's, that one's going to be interesting. There's going to be one that's exploring the interesting, kind of sometimes oppositional, but in the future, hopefully more times than not parallel movements

of the outdoor recreation community and the Hunt Fish community and advocating for public lands and the future of all those things. That's one. There's another one. Oh, in that one, can I make a prediction?

Can I ask about it in the future of that one? Yeah. And that one, do you figure out if the backpackers are going to start paying a tax to help out? We're definitely going to help pay.

We haven't recorded that one yet, but-- Oh, you definitely can be asked about a good backpack student, because the backpack tax is-- Mouthlight tax. The whole thing in Oregon is an interesting example

of kind of an end around on that.

“Oh, if you're familiar with that, sure, right now.”

Carl Malcolm has become very interested in these alternate funding mechanisms for state fishing game agency. Missouri had some kind of-- I can't remember what-- Another state had a one, eight of one.

Was it Minnesota? I'm not sure. Maybe as Minnesota, I can't remember. Some state did like a small percentage of a penny of the sales tax.

And that state now is doing acquisitions off that money. We're doing land acquisitions off that money. Yeah.

And in Oregon, it's just basically a lodging tax,

that they're just increasing a tiny bit, and that's going to be significant dollars. So yeah, get to explore stuff like that. That I always follow. I'm really interested in.

It's super relevant to the stuff I'll be doing on the conservation side here in Meader. And so this will be a place to talk about it. And yeah, very excited about that. So that's a big one.

One of the peace and news, if I've got it in the second. A lot of new projects coming down the pipe with the, you know, in the conservation lane here. But one of those that I want to bring up to the top is that auction house will be opening up again this year.

The auction house of audience, the auction house of audience. That's been a minute. Been a long time out. Yeah, I don't know what happened there. But we got some doosies to cut cheese a couple.

Yeah, and please. So if you were, if you remember back to our show, Doos boat, the last season of Doos boat featured a boat. I don't even know what I can't remember what it was. But it had a 150 horsepower Honda on it,

which has got like three hours on it. So if you're in the market for a 150 Honda with eight hours or three, that's going to be the auction house of audiences. I think we should not off the boat itself, too. We need to get it out here.

I just had the engine shipped out here just to keep an eye on it. Oh, good. He hasn't boat would be cool to have that, too.

“Oh, right. Oh, here's the thing in the auction house of oddities.”

We bought my dad's truck when my dad died. Well, my dad died like shortly after the terror attacks. The 9/11 attacks.

As I always remember, people asked me when he died.

I was like, he was about around that. He died then. He had a truck at that time. That truck wanted to go into my buddy Matt Drossed. Matt Drossed drove it, all over.

He just hauled a couple dead deer home in that truck. We just bought it from him. And we're going to auction off my old man's truck, which I've slept in the front of the back of. You got it.

I got all kinds of hunting pictures for you to describe this trip 150. Are you going to bid on it? No, you don't want to. Maybe. What year?

When the neighbor down the road, one time the neighbor down the road died and his boat went into the auction house of oddities. I just out of that boat off your growing up. Well, and so I'll add a little bit more tentatively. We're thinking on top of giving away the shitty old truck.

It's going to be a lot better. We're going to pack. It's going to be a shitty truck full of good gear. We're going to load the shitty truck full of bunch of great hunting gear. And then I'm going to hand a liver and maybe make yana or something come with me.

Drive across the country. Bring it to you. Let's try to forgot about that detail. We're going to literally stuff the back. Yeah.

It'll be stuffed with a shitty truck full of great gear, something like that. It's going to be a good one. We got to get rid of our punk guns somehow. Yeah. You don't with that thing.

We always were planning on getting being done with it.

I don't know if it'll go into the auction house of oddities or go into the big gun auction, but that'll be in there. We just built a new studio and bought a bunch of barn board from Yannie's neighbor, but we got a bunch left over. All that great barn board, some 16 footers, that'll be in the auction house.

Can we sign it? Can we sign it? Can we sign them, Yannie? Sign what? The barn board.

You just have to do it. You just have to do it. You just have to do it.

Some of this stuff sounds like local pickup only.

Are we shipping it all? The water will ship to you. The lumber is pickup only. I'm not shipping 16 foot barn board. I just got a 16 foot trailer.

Yeah. Just sand all over. We're just going to look at it.

“We won't give you a deal like you're in with how many miles, Randall will bring you”

the barn board. Yeah. I love to do that. Okay. Oh, last thing on our news, our dear friend podcast guest, video collaborator, Kimmy Werner,

has her new book out, Kimmy's Kitchen, a cookbook. Kimmy is a phenomenal, phenomenal seafood chef cook. She's a great person.

She's a dear friend to our family.

She's a dear friend to many friends of mine. It's a gorgeous book. You can see here on the cover with a, with a goat fish on the end of a three-prong, beautiful book, a beautiful person, great recipes. Anyone interested in fish and seafood cooking and other things?

Here it is. An ocean woman's guide to wild home cooking. Good luck to Kimmy. Hope the book's a big success. Please, please, please check out Kimmy's new book, Kimmy's Kitchen.

Corrections. Corrections. Nailed it. Phil was ready. That's right.

This is where you correct us. And when you catch us being wrong about something, you win free boots.

“That's how serious we are at the new show to know when we screwed up.”

Okay. So the winner of today's correction of the week gets a free pair of Tacobas boots. If you win today, that's what you get. Question number one, about the Porter houses. Why the hesitation?

Because I just so mad about this one, it's embarrassing to me. The writer in says this, good morning. I was listening to episode 798, 'Tis the season to be hunting and nearly drove off the road. When Steve confessed, he doesn't know what a Porter house is.' I said, he quotes me, I said, "I know it's a good thing to order, but what the hell

is a Porter house? Who sells being honest? I couldn't have told G either, because it's not a hunting thing. No. Punt and dudes don't talk about Porter house.

Sustas didn't seem like a correction. Yeah. It seems like we're already veering away from corrections. No, dude. Listen.

It's a big umbrella. Okay. You could even be wrong by omission in when the corrections come to us. I might vote for this guy.

So he says he first tries to establish his bona fides.

He grew up in butcher shops. Even the teeth, and then he turns it into an insult. So he establishes his bona fides by saying he grew up working in butcher shops. And then twist the dagger by saying even the guy's sleep and the floor knew what a Porter house was.

Damn. Apparently it's this. A big tendered line is a Porter house, a small tendered line is a tea bone. Porter house must have a tendered line at least 1.25 inches across measured from the bone to the widest point of the flesh.

As you move backward along the short line, the tenderline thickens, which is why the Porter house is come from the rear end of that section. All Porter houses are tea bones, but not all tea bones are Porter house. That's good info. It goes into then to continue again that he can't believe I didn't know this.

He ends on that note, and writing that's called bringin' her back around. What's a tea bone without a bone? A rib eye? You're just going to get another version of that. No.

I think it's okay. Fill in. Raise your hand and tell me who's behaving young, who and here, who and here, knew that.

“The only thing I know about Porter houses is that they used to call the Porter-Hassett”

Epics Daycast, the Melbourne, and it was usually the most expensive thing on the menu. No, I was going to say that you shouldn't be embarrassed, because all of it, unless you came up in the beef industry somehow, or just whatever, the group in Kansas City, and you went to a big steakhouse once a week, where they had these kind of things, we've all just been processing while a game, and we don't--

Yeah, but it's just terminology. Everybody knows you're long-tongued, y'all, because you used to run the grill at Tuscaninis. Okay. You didn't pick this up there? No.

You're not even a floor sweeper at this butcher shop? No. Also think it's like generational, like, people in the back of the day would have known. But they can't win to it. My kids aren't like, I'll take it for real.

No, I'm saying, like, people used to go to butcher shops.

That's true. Correction number two. Mount Rushmore.

The writer in says this, "Hey, oh, on your podcast, Neanderthall Love."

What was that? That was two days ago. What was the call of the new shop? Well, the episode was called Neanderthall Love, something, something, something. We still need to meditory-alizing here.

Yeah, man, you can't follow everything, it goes on around here. On your podcast, Neanderthall Love, it was discussed that the America, the beautiful past could be used to grant free access into Mount Rushmore. Spencer, New Hearts, Home State. No past is needed for entry into Mount Rushmore.

It's free! Randall said it. I'd like to... I'd like to reel her. Slap to the nuts for Spencer.

A correction.

“I think I just implied that you could use it there.”

Oh, is your phone? It was suggested. I can't believe Spencer wasn't all over. Big self-coating. Yeah.

Yeah. Tattoos. Did you go there when you lived there? Was that a thing? I had been there once or twice?

Yeah. Ever. And both like, you know, when I was a kid. So. Crection number three.

Another slap to the nuts for me. Spoon bill pronunciation. Good morning.

The writer in says, "I have a correction from the first episode of the news show.

We're talking about the national park passes. D referred to the Spoon bill as a rosy-aided Spoon bill. However, the correct name is a rosy-it Spoon bill. That segment was chock full of errors. Okay.

Who's going to win the boots?

“Crection number one, Porterhouse Ignorance.”

Are we voting right now? Well, I'll do the rundown. These are tough. Crection number one, free boots. These are all knit pickers.

Some knit picker is walking away with free boots. Crection number one, Porterhouse Ignorance. Crection number two, rush more. Crection number three, Spoon bill. I know what I'm voting.

Me too. We have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven votes. That includes you, Phil. That's great.

Do the engineers in there.

Porterhouse Show Hands, please. Good Lord. Done. Let's open. I'm just, I like the fact that he was so insulting about it.

His heart's in it. You liked your pro. I liked the approach. Yeah. And I said, I'm a little bum that you just didn't read it word for word.

Because I thought it goes a well written piece. Two more long. Two more long. You're going to longer. It's not.

Oh, by shortening it, I made it longer. Yeah, yeah. It's correct. Yeah. Maybe.

Here's why I think. You're going to info, and now I got a chuckle out of it. Yeah. Yeah. Save who you voted for.

I'll tell you who and I'll tell you why. Rushmore. Because here is the thing where some dude picks you some little kids sitting there. He's got no money. Oh, you're looking out.

The family's broke and he's like, all fixed in the go to Rushmore. Yeah. Okay. But then he, you know, as he does, he's listening to the new show, you know, every week.

He likes that show. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Guess we're not going, but then he heard the correction is like, I guess I just got

a pay for parking. Yeah. And now we're like, Bob, we're back on. We're going to Rushmore. It is free.

Picture that kid and you're given, and he can be showing up there and some brand new damn boots. I don't think it's happening. But no, Mr. Porterhouse, who's obviously, right? Right?

I'm doing a money symbol with my hand, who's obviously pretty well taken care of if he's down there, Lord and Porterhouse, every time he turns around, congrats to the Porterhouse. So yeah, another rich guy, another rich guy out there, the another pair of boots. Gracias, Morgan.

Alright, God. That's just what the world needed. Another rich guy, new boots. Thanks, Tacofas. On the ear news.

This isn't even that big of a deal, but I like it.

“Earlier, I think a year ago, a year ago coming up.”

The great lake pickle was on the show, and he was sharing a hot turkey tip that I think is mostly applicable to the American South, but I can think of the examples in the North where it's true. Lake pickle was explaining. If you're hunting in the South and you're hunting in a new area, cold rolling into

a new area, he's like, if you can find a old church, the kind that has a cemetery out back was even better. Doesn't need it, but it has it out back, it's better. There is a turkey near there, a old church has a turkey.

He must have explained why, pictured when you driving around in a rural area, where do they put the old church? Maybe on a hill? Where the turkey's live. It's just a freak, it's a freak deal, but he can back it up, he can back it up.

He sends me a piece of legislation from Mississippi, that he was unaware of, and the fact

that Mississippi even thought to have this, just give me a second here.

He's talking, brody. This legislation has to do with hunting within a quarter mile radius of a church, Steve will find the exact detail, just keep keeping interested.

“I think this is the kind of law that is like, I got it.”

Women can't wear pants. I don't know, just a worse law than that. It's worse, I think. Well, it says that you ready for the law? It's got a code and all that, like, you know, like, all the, how they do the codes.

Section 49761, blah, blah, blah, blah. Here's the rule, this is an actual Mississippi law. If any person shall hunt within one fourth mile of any church on Sunday while services are being held, he shall unconviction be fined, not less than $25, nor more than $100. How went, when's it, bro?

I don't know.

But you know what it's meant to prevent sitting, say you're sitting there in the old service

and also, oh, back, yeah, this is one of those, I do would be like, dude, I'm out of here, but then all sudden his wife's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Section. Well, it's interesting about it because it doesn't specify shooting, it's specified hunting.

Can you try? Yeah. But then Lake Pickle sent me a thing from on X. He sent me a screenshot from on X, proving to me that when he's hunting by a church it's in service, he's a half mile away, but yeah, I think it's to prevent dudes running

out of church. I got to say here when we're, like, what if you owned land, 100 yards from that church? And you were hunting on your land? Dude, I would have a real word with the government, or I'd just be like, in addition to all the other junk you spend money hunting on hunting turkeys, there's also every year you

have somewhere between a fine, a somewhere between a fine, right there, you know. It's like, well, you're a church tag 12 bucks, but then I got the, the fine, you know, which averages out somewhere around 50, 60 bucks. You know, it's funny though, this whole turkey thing around old churches, we have, I've had a number of friends that have found shed antlers in old cemeteries or adjacent to them.

So whenever they're driving around, they always eyeball the old cemeteries near by land.

Dude, I could think of a sit, just sitting here right now, I could think of multiple examples even in El Norte. It's Spanish for the North. Dude, wasn't there something that happened like, but in the last couple of years, we're a dude got in trouble for killing a gobler in a cemetery.

Yep. Remember we talked about that? Yep. Probably bushwag, they're right from behind a big old stone. I remember that.

Yeah. Hell, the way to do it. And I remember I tried to get mad at them. No, because you're driving by that cemetery and seeing that things just around for a week. I understand.

Actually, you're will just breaks.

“Just if we're going to talk about some dudes in the news today, who I'm like, you should”

be in trouble, but I understand. A guy wrote in, he's making go-nad jerky. He's making deer nut jerky and heart jerky. He put his deer nut jerky in his heart jerky in the same bag, and people wouldn't eat the heart jerky because it was next to his deer nut jerky.

Not just people, not just any people. Ironman, wild land firefighters, pretty tough dudes, real tough guys. That's true. I didn't even think they included that detail. Tough guys.

That's why we're here. Yeah, even tough guys won't eat his nut jerky, hard workers. If you promise not to poison it, I will eat your nut jerky on air. If you send it to us. I will.

I'm surprised that it came out good. If you had a bunch of poison, you're saying there's a better ROI on that poison than that. You know the thing where kids are like, they're going to get drugs, trick or treat candy. Picture you're like a bad drug at it. I feel like you just hang on to the drugs.

Plus, if I wanted to poison you through the mail, I just send an anthrax to the office. Exactly, easier ways of like waiting until he says, not jerky. He's like a great guy. Because someone could back out eat a jerky. If you just touch the envelope, it's all over.

“That's why I'm going to eat his jerky because I don't think it's going to be poison.”

This brings up the great American jerky contest. We ever go on back to that thing?

The suits said we can't do it because someone's going to poison us.

Oh my God. That suits. When this guy, what's his name? The nut jerky? Sam?

Samuel? Listen, buddy. District four, Mr. Listen. You sent me that nut jerky?

“I'm going to eat it right here on there and I'll tell you what I think about it.”

It looks good. At least doesn't look bad. Welcome to Meet Eater's 12 and 26 presented by Multimobile and OnX Maps. 12 of Meet Eater's biggest and baddest hunts from the last year released throughout 2026.

These are long-form episodes so you get more of what you love.

The first one up is my baited bear hunt in Manitoba.

If you've ever wondered what a baited bear hunt is like, you'll love this episode. My favorite part was watching a younger bear spend an hour trying to figure out how to get a creatively hung beaver carcass down from a tree. Check it out now on Meet Eater's YouTube channel and be on the lookout for more 12 and 26 in the coming months.

Got it running about this. He was talking to his daughter's boyfriend the other day. That is a weird sense. I have a daughter who's 13. Yani has daughters right in that same bracket.

Some day at me and Yani will be telling, we'll be running around saying, "I was talking

“to my daughter's boyfriend the other day."”

Before I beat the show, I was telling him how I'm about to punch him and somebody at some point in the distance past was saying that about you guys. Oh, definitely. Yeah.

I was talking to my daughter's boyfriend one day.

The Steve guy. He tells me, hopefully it'll go on like this when he says the kid loves waterfowl hunting. Yeah. So I'd be like, you picked a great little boyfriend there, daughter. I told my daughter and a pick her boyfriend out for her.

I was talking to my daughter's boyfriend the other day. This is the writer in. Kid loves waterfowl hunting. From the start of the season till the end, he is hunting. Love this guy.

Somehow, he's too old for my daughter. So he starts telling me where all the ducks have been reported in the area. I had no idea where he was getting this info.

“So I asked, he tells me there's a handy app called E-Bird, which I have.”

This is from, so just for listeners, this is from Cornell. Birders will report the birds in the area and track what birds they see on what buddy of water or in a field. He then uses that info to either set up on public water or ask permission if it's private. This next line.

Yes. This kid isn't very smart, but he nailed it with this one. I laughed out loud in the plane when I read that. Yeah, I've done this years ago, we were going to go to Nevada in the Ruby Mountains to try to hunt Himalayan snowcocks and one day I realized that people report all the snowcocks

they see on E-Bird and I was like, I can't believe these people are reporting it. Likewise, we were one time staying in a hut in New Zealand, hunting, a public hut in New Zealand. And there's a journal in the journal, guys, like, so weird. We saw some shabby from the hut across the river, which we had no idea about in one up getting one of them.

Okay, but I don't know if a waterfall that changes so fast, I don't know how true that is. Oh, I mean, but this is up to date, up to date info. But are enough people saying, hey, I just saw some, I just, you know, I just saw a big bunch of hawkers out in old lady McGin's field, like, like, is it like quick enough that you'd get on it?

Dude, the birders are serious. Yeah, I think it's legit info. They're not just out there, like, going, I like hawkers. I don't know, they're like, writing it, putting it this information into their lists and their apps.

Yeah. If you were, if you had moved to a new area, if you were cold, rolling, I don't know. I just a little skeptical. I'd be looking at Ebert and I'd be looking for churches. Hmm.

That's why I'd be doing old cemeteries. I also think this 19 year old is found, like, a game within a game that he enjoys playing now. Like, it's, it's more fun for him to go kill ducks that he learned about via Ebert from the next door lady who's an earnest birder.

Oh, totally. If I ever killed a bear that someone had reported on all trails, that would be a highlight to accomplish again. They talk about the bears they see, they talk about the elk they see. The funny thing is, is that you then check back in on the app to be, like, got it.

Bear was still there. He gave it up, post picture of it. Thanks, bro. He's in the back of my track. If you'd like to report them again.

Ebert's is fish as background here for listeners, I was talking about in the old dates and the old fur trade era of the, like, they're in the colonial time.

situations and they, and, and at some point, Randall's going to dig into this.

At some point, they got permission.

“They're like, hey, when we're trying to observe the lent and meal, we don't have access”

to fish. But we have aquatic rodents, and they live in the water, and it was said, like, they were given a special dispensation back in the old days that you'd be like, okay, the church says in the situation you're in, if you can't get fish, having a aquatic mammal, who's about 250 years ago and Detroit, where that happened.

Job. Mm. Where'd you find out? I wrote about it when we did the pardon my plate episode for Moss Grant. Oh, perfect.

Did I tell you about it? And that's why you wrote about it? No, no. We'll come on. Don't be embarrassed.

So this guy, how am I going to do this here?

So there's a guy that writes in. He doesn't want us to use his name or anything. He says he does a lot of beaver trap. Now he, okay, he writes, they put my spectacles on here. In January 29, 2026, well, I don't know when he wrote it.

Yeah, shouldn't have brought it up.

“He writes to the suits at the church, what do you call him?”

And this is his denomination, the Padrish, the cloaks. He writes to his Padrish, no, he writes to the bishop, the big suits. He's a Catholic, and he writes to his bishop, saying, hey man, I'm a big beaver traper. Can I eat my beavers for the lenton meal?

His bishop, and this guy's got a stamp. The Roman Catholic bishop of blank, okay? He writes a special letter back saying, go on ahead. Each of your beavers for your lenton meal. And he ends his letter, this dips dispensation, the letter's January 29, 2026.

The letter says from his bishop, his bishop writes him this, although this practice is not customary within this diocese, the dispensation is granted with the understanding that the penitential character of the Fridays of lenton will continue to be faithfully observed through appropriate acts of prayer, self-denial and charity. This dispensation applies only to the consumption of muskrat and beaver, and does not

otherwise dispense from the church's discipline regarding lenton observance. It is granted for the Fridays of lenton in the year 2026, and is not to be presumed beyond this scope or duration. It's interesting that it's like two of their expiration date on it. Yes, I'll ask you again in 2027.

Really stuck to him in the end. That's a lot. That's great though. For more background news, the 1780s, they were French Catholic missionaries. They had a few hard winters consecutively, it got to the point where they were starving

and eating chopped hay, and that was when they made the determination that you can eat muskrates, which were plenty full where they were living in Southern Michigan. Still there. We also already eat chopped hay because they had to eat muskrates because it wasn't legally it for them too.

Oh, just on a certain day they had a resort chopped hay. Yes, like that was what got them to make it okay for them to eat muskrates. But are you following me? Did you have any other food? I got it.

“But if you came up to, let's say, like, have you ever fast of 24 hours?”

Yeah. Okay, I have. It's not that big of a deal. I don't start eating chopped hay if I'm fasting for 20 minutes. There was a lot.

There's a broader issue, I think, with food supply. You said it was a tough winner, right? Yeah, no. But struggling. But how many days during Lent, a smell fresh parrot boots for someone?

During Lent. How many days do you have to only fish? I thought it was only Fridays during the Lent period.

The problem is not that they just can't get fish, it's that they're starving more

generally. They were probably, the muskrates any day they wanted, except for the Fridays during Lent. Yeah. I don't know. Sounds like someone.

He's doable. Fact chat. Did, please do. I'm at you. We know.

I'm going to win the boots. I'm going to start making things that I can correct and then I'll write in the correction. That's good. I do. And win the boots.

Yeah. You'll need to build a suit.

We probably took you up with the boots.

Yeah. You'll need to vote for me.

“Just get a PO box and I'll win the boots and then put them in the auction house”

audit. Hmm. Okay. Everybody joined now by Olympic gold medalist Connor Helobock, who was the goalie during the Olympic gold medal game there.

Get some damn Canadians who must have blocked like, I don't know, I heard something crazy. You could probably tell. It's like 42 shots or something all the sudden and you didn't get the, you know, of course

didn't get the winning goal but you carried the game, man.

Thanks. Yeah. I did help on that goal though. I got in the cyst. That's amazing.

“I want to tell you, I want to first admit something to you.”

It's a running joke in my family. It's a running joke among my friends that I'm the dumbest guy in the world about sports. But I have you, you could ask my kids this. I periodically make my kids watch the 1980s like Miracle on ice incident and I teach it to them as sort of a moment of defining moment in American history.

So because of that, like I like Olympic hockey matters to me and I happen to be trapped on your guy's day on your big wind day, I was traveling with our colleague Max Bartah, who is like all in way in on hockey and so I got to live the game next to him. We wound up in that we were traveling, so we wound up in the Delta lounge and tension in the Delta lounge was high when you guys won people erupted in the Delta lounge.

I mean, what nuts in the Delta lounge, Max is running around in his jersey. His jersey that was the goalie when we beat the Soviets. That dude's name is on the back of his jersey. In the airport, guys are coming up to hug Max. High-fiving him.

It was like the funnest sort of thing that just to be by Max and through all that. He watched it and it was like honest to God, like it was at that moment in the Delta lounge.

It was like emotional dude and it was amazing to watch and I said, and then my body

time he adds and who I like a lot, text me like in the minutes after and he's like, "This guy has a large mouth bass on his helmet." He's like, "You need to talk to this guy." So here we are. We didn't really feel how much it brought the country together until we stepped back

in America and then it was just, it was insane, everywhere we went. Every place, you let one little USA channel and this the whole place of the world. So I was so much fun. So the immediate 72 hours after we won, I mean, I can count hours asleep on one hand. Yeah.

So it's just the field from the people around, it was just incredible. I mean, we were supposed to live in New York and we ended up switching to Miami within, I don't know, four hours before the flight and it took that four hours for everyone to know exactly what we're doing the entire day. Oh, I know.

In a way before we had our dinner.

“So that was pretty cool, and I think the best thing I could have done is throw a bass”

on my bass. I mean, I put a fish on every single bass, but I like to try to keep it with bass as I love bass fishing, but I mix in for a while I must be, you know, and I like to change it up. I've had a lot of bass over the years.

But put the bass on there is just absolutely blowing out my biggest passion on bass fishing. That's great. So I got a friend that plays a major league bass ball and man, that is a not a fish and friendly. That is not a fish and friendly enterprise.

What is your, like, what's your offseason look like, like, when do you guys, like, really free to fish? So our last regular season game is roughly April 18th, so mid-April. If you make playoffs and go on for another two months to the end of the final, so mid-June, but that's only two teams.

So the most part, the fishing season is mid-April to, say, mid-September and fishing season kind of ends and to August, but if you don't make playoffs, you have mid-April all the way to mid-September. I've asked my buddy in baseball this, because for him, it's whether season's going to end and what kind of hunt he's going to be able to do in October or not.

And I, as this, I talk about a guy named Pete Alonzo and I asked him, do you ever hope you don't make playoffs so you can hunt more?

Yeah.

“Well, you know, I have it, I have it set up pretty good where I mean, we play a lot of the southern”

teams and I have a little travel rod and a little backpack that's so gear in. And any chance I get post-practice or get an off day, I just go back back on and go find a spot. Yeah, I go off the bank or get a guide if I have a full day off, if not, I'll just hike around and walk around the lake and try to catch a fish here and there.

But when it picks pretty good for fishing and hunting, I got, we have all of October,

we'll start in September, the geese hunting up here, the bird hunting is incredible, they

come in by the thousands, you're blimmed it out within 45 minutes with 10 guys, which is crazy. But the deer hunting is shortly after that, so we go, we go from fishing season, get here for the hockey season, and then we have hunting season, which starts with birds, then goes to bucks and then the ice trees is over and then we have world-class wall-eye ice

fishing. So all the places you've lived and consider where you grew up, what do you regard as, when you think of home water, the sort of, for you, the emotional center of your fishing life is where, what's home water? So home home water, what do you imagine yourself like, the place that means the most

to you, what is that place, what body water?

So I mean, all that we have, in Michigan, a ton of small lakes, especially in Oakland County,

that's where I grew up, and that's where I used to live in the summer. So I'll say any of those lakes, I know I'm like the back of my hand, but from like a more broad spectrum, I would consider lakes ain't clear, my home one. God, I'm not on the smaller lakes, but I'm also pretty good on the big lake too, and the big lake is that someone's coming in to go fishing, you take a bit of big lake.

So if you had to go, smallmouth bass, largemouth bass, where you had on that. Smallmouth bass, you're going straight to Lake Sanctuary. No, you can catch six pounders in there, but for the most part, you're catching 20-25 pound bags, but that's your five-bass limit. What I meant was, if you had to pick between smallmouths, in largemouths, like your

largemouth guy, would you say? Yeah, no, I'd say I'm probably a smallmouth guy, but it was crazy. You guys, someone that's been fishing smallmouth for 10 years, and they're like, "Oh, I want to go pick a largemouth right now." And then vice versa.

You can ask the largemouth guys, "Hey, what do you want to go catch?" "Oh, I'd love to catch a smallmouth."

“So, you know, for me, I think, I can do both, but I think smallmouth just based on the”

size and the quantity that we have in Michigan, I'd say I'm a smallmouth guy. Okay, then I got a personal question for you. If you had to take a stab, how many largemouth bass have you fried and eaten in your life? I have eaten one when I was a kid, but we didn't know. We didn't know that it's a sport fish, and we wanted to try it when we were younger and

my parents made it. The second we got a little more in the fishing, we realized, "Oh, you don't really eat these, these are for the sport." So, it's very much frowned upon in my life, in my world too. Really?

Yes. I got a body who was an amateur pro, like, that's a contradiction. Amateur pro bass, is that the right way you put it? Either way, he's an amateur competitive bass angler, and I was fishing with him.

And I learned that this guy, his whole life, has been doing this, he had never eaten

a bass. Do you come up, Matt? No, I made him eat one. No, you actually made me make him eat one. Oh, sorry.

They're okay, but if you can just go with that same body of water and catch a wall, I like wall, I think it tastes way better. Yeah. I'm just doing it. Let me a wall, I.

So right now, what, right now, tell me where you're at right now, and with your season and everything, what will be the net, like what fish and trip, what's your

“next fishing trip, you got planned, like what, what will be the next outing you do?”

Well, I'm debating right now, over right now, we're fighting for a playoff spot, and the schedule isn't saying that to the Olympics, it's every other day, so fighting time is pretty difficult. But we're debating, I don't know, next update, trying to sneak out, go ice fishing, or if that doesn't work out, April 1st, I got an off day in Dallas, I'm trying to talk them into

flying in early so I can take a guide out, but if that's not the case, I'll just have someone

Okay, man, I bet you, you have some guys from Dallas, listen to the show, probably hitting

you up with fish and spots, man.

“Yeah, honestly, probably well, and let's keep those secrets.”

All right, Connor, thanks so much for joining on, man. Thank you for the win. It really was like, it was such a fun day to it, and it was people were so happy and just seeing everybody in the airport and seeing my buddy max, so happy, everybody felt good.

I was such a good mood. I got home. My kids thought something was wrong with me. I made them watch highlights from the 1980s game, so I was like, this will help you'll understand why you're dead, so emotional that we just won another gold medal in hockey.

So that's great, man. Thank you so much for joining and have a good fish to trip in Dallas, buddy. I think it's no problem. Glad to be here. Thanks, Connor.

Thank you. No problem, guys.

Okay, how do our next story?

“Two California men charged, this is breaking news.”

Two California men charged for shattering a $200,000 man with tusk at a museum. There were at the ancient Ozarks, natural history museum in Branson, Missouri. There's a big mammoth skeleton with big tusks, 200 pound tusks, one of these guys apparently and I understand, gets up on his buddy's shoulders because he wants to get a picture or something of him hanging from that tusk and shattered it.

You're like, got arrested. When I say I understand, when I'm in a museum, all I can think about is touching everything and getting stuff out, getting stuff out, stealing, who doesn't want to get rid of me and we're in a museum and they had a teepee you couldn't go into it. What did we talk about that we wanted to do?

Oh, like two hours after we'd left that museum, you're still talking about how you wanted to climb inside of the teepee just to see how it felt. Yeah. When I'm at a museum, I'm like, sure, I like to get that out and have a look. I sure like to fiddle with that, right?

I understand, but the difference between me and these gentlemen, they were filling with it. They were going to try to do a, he was trying to hang from it, Todd as a veto and Brett Howard. I'm an embarrassing way to have your mugshot and embarrassing, I mean, what do you do out of judgment?

Do you think they were drunk? Yeah. I was going to say their faces look a little puffy here. That's just the look you get when you're arrested. Yeah.

Maybe because most people that are arrested are drunk, there's a strong correlation. What I'm saying, I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to like, just if I'm saying, I walk a few museums, the main thing I'm thinking about is ways in which I wish I could have allowed to violate the museums route. Right.

But then there's another one.

“But I don't do it saying, do you think, if I did that, there would be consequences?”

Yes. But I'm like, do I wish I could just have at it in the museum? Yes. So they broke a $200,000 toss, what are you trying to say from it and shattered a 200 pound mammoth tusk?

It's a good question, though, you know, what was the question, even? How much, what do you think the punishment should be?

It's going to be reparations that they'll never be able to afford, probably.

I should have said to live the rest of his life knowing that he owes that museum and ton of money or something. So after, like, sweep up that museum for the rest of his life. You want to know something nuts? My brother, Danny.

They were out doing their work. He works in Alaska. He's a salmon biologist. They were out doing their work. I'm not going to tell you kind of where he was.

I don't even actually know where he was. He says, way up, there's a giant cut bank. And he said, hang in out of that cut bank is a big man with tusk. They didn't even touch it. Well, he can't leave.

You know what, not just him. You can't. Yeah. But, I mean, how many guys would have been like, well, let's just go touch it. So wait, Alaska need to hang on to get a picture.

I don't know. I'm guessing they maybe got on. I don't know. He couldn't. It was federal land.

And he said, the way it was positioned, you had to rig up. You had to bush rig a ladder. It was so high up a cut bank. We said, just hanging out of the cut bank. So the proper steps would be like, you would have to contact the managing agency and inform

You're not under an obligation yet.

Yeah. But there's rules about like fossils over, I mean, Spencer probably knows this morning.

“There's rules about fossils over a certain size, I think.”

And I don't know what he did, maybe he did report it. But he didn't touch it. He wasn't allowed to touch it. And he said, if you wanted to touch it, it would have been a real project. He said, it was way up a cut bank.

Next rainstorm. It might just disappear. No, sure. It'll get cut. Yeah.

Yeah. All those ones people find in the riverbeds are obviously a road now. Welcome to meat eaters, 12 and 26 presented by multi-mobile and on-ex maps. 12 of meat eaters biggest and baddest hunts from the last year released throughout 26. These are long form episodes, so you get more of what you love.

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Brody, the long overdue first sales ban from Brody. Yep. Colorado for a ban. I'm sure a lot of people have heard about this. But I'll give it like background, then like what's going on, what could happen in the future.

They tried this thing in the city of Denver a few years ago, four or five years ago.

“I think it was just to ban the sale of for products in the city of Denver and then it went”

away and now it came back. So what would the deal is, it's a proposed statewide rule to prohibit the commercial sale barter or trade of wild animal fur or fur products in Colorado, the state of Colorado. So like typical species like fur bear species like beaver, fox, bobcat, martin, muscat, stuff like that.

But not beaver. Beaver's in there. Well, when you get to the really dumb part, yeah, anyway, the proposal doesn't ban trapping or hunting, but you know, obviously it's going to undermine the economic buyability of certain businesses in Colorado.

You might be wondering who started this and how it happened and it's weird because this isn't like the cat hunting thing that happened last year in Colorado, which was a ballot measure. Under Colorado lot, citizens can petition the state wildlife rulemaking body to like just create or change regulation.

“So you could like go to the wildlife commission in Colorado and be like, I think I should”

be able to shoot two meal deer bucks a year and then they say, yeah, your name, you know, have a process that that would go through. This particular proposal was submitted by a citizen named Samantha Miller, who works for the wildlife advocacy advocacy group and some good, good way to describe it. I guess Center for Biological Diversity, which we talked about last week, as one of those

groups that gives themselves a serious name, you know, but they're actually like an animal rights activist group. Yeah, they're they're the worst, well, not the worst, but among them. And Samantha Miller was also the person who is largely in charge of the cats aren't trophies thing that that went didn't go through in Colorado last year.

So we talked about like restrict all commercial first sales, like how it reached the commission.

And like this is almost a story of like a rogue wildlife commission as much as anything else because on March 4, so a little over a week ago, Colorado Parks and Wildlife, voted the commission voted six to four to advance a citizen position that would ban the commercial sale of wild animal fur. Apparently this this like process was very chaotic. A lot of people didn't really know what they were voting on. It seems like there's a lot of confusion

and anger and disgust like in the meeting. There are several hundred people there from the public hunters, anglers, trappers that oppose this measure. CPW is new director. She like came out and said, we do not believe that this is a good thing to do. There's no biological justification for doing so. And that was said before the meeting. Oh, yeah, before the meeting before so what does he pointed out? There's no there is no population level

impact for this thing. So after hours of public comment and debate, the commission vote six to four to go forward with it. If you want to look up the names of those commissioners,

to Polis's tied closely to some animal rights measures. These people are as well. And

they kind of just did their own thing, which is, which is sad. So if this thing goes through the impacts to businesses, like a big one would be the fly fishing, like retail business, fly tying, like you walk into a fly shot, you'll see an entire wall of fly time materials. And a lot of those have fur in them fur hair from muscrats, beavers, rabbits, and carry the name of it. Yeah, for sure. Some other stuff would be a peril. Cowboy hats would

“be a nuisance. Yeah, but that's what's so stupid about this. Go ahead. What's so stupid”

about it is, when you make, when you make a cowboy hat, like a high quality beaver wool felt

cowboy hat, you take a beaver pet, you throw away the leather, you throw away the guard hair,

and you take the under fur and compress it into felt. They're saying, well, that's okay, because that's cowboy hats. But if you took a beaver belt, you can sell that cowboy hat, you can throw away the leather, throw away the guard hairs, make it unrecognizable, cool. But should you take the beaver belt, just sew it into a hat? Yeah, not cool. Exactly. That's illegal. Yep. And then it's like, is so, assnied. Yeah. And that kind of gets to like supply chain

issues. A lot of taxidermy projects would also be affected by this thing. So it's, it could impact a lot, a lot of different areas. And they can't figure out how to write the problem. No, they can't figure out how to write the rule. No. It's so chaotic and full of contradiction. Yeah. So like what happens next is bottom line is, it's not lie yet. It's in the rule development. The vote, what it did was move it forward into the like rule development and

public comment stage. So the wildlife commission has to have another vote before the band takes effect. So that's going to happen. Then Colorado Parks and Wildlife would have to like draft proposed rules, which they'd also have to debate on what the rules would actually be if there'd be any exceptions in the rules. Like they might carve out an exception for fly tying materials or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. The, though, carotic

exceptions. Yeah. So they want to be that there's all this stuff is cool to use for for unless it's like visibly fur. Yep. On a person's box. Yeah. Like, you know, what the, the indigenous people that lived in Colorado traditionally wore that would be illegal. Yeah.

“Now, if you want to run around like a dude rancher in a cowboy hat, you're A. Okay. Yeah,”

buck skin pants, like probably not not because you know why? Because you threw the hair away. Right. There wouldn't be a product. Um, so it is like then you could sell that. It's, you know, it's just another. Another attempt to make our life more difficult. Dude, that guy like that, it's not just Jared, like Jared Poles turned out. It's not even just him. It's his husband. Right. Who's like a big animal. Exactly. Exactly. But these

people are pointed by Poles. They've done, they've gone kind of rogue on things before. This is another example of that. Hopefully, when Poles terms out, we'll get a new wildlife commission in there that is going to be friendly or to hunters and anglers and people like us. Um, the timeline for this is next meeting is in May of 2026. So we'll know more in a couple months. And they'll have to vote and adopt modify or reject it. Um, so we'll see what

happened. It makes me mad is that think about what's not getting done. They could be getting done. And that would be positive for wildlife. This is not serious work. Instead, they got to be dealing with this BS. Yeah. Brody in my right. That the public can show for this next meeting. It's May 4th or 5th. And we're just going to have the exact date. Just says May 2026 in Grand Junction. So yeah, for any of those commission meetings, the public

is can always show up. Can I hit with another added little deal here? Yeah. That's kind

of like what makes us infuriating years ago. Like many, many years ago, back in the mid

“90s, I think early 90s, Colorado effectively like band trapping on public one. Yeah. So”

you used to have like regulated trapping what they then did is like, what do you do? But all the guys that have degradation issues. They have like problem beavers, problem, whatever. So they make the system by which a private landowner can go be like, Hey, I got to be a worker problem. Yeah. Then they're like, Oh, okay, then it's no holds barred. No seasons. No equipment restrictions, whatever. Okay. Then you go get them. Now they're saying, but you have to throw

in a trapper to do it, the trapper can take the product and sell it. Yeah. And it could

be used for all manner of things, including cowboy hats. This is like, no, no, you got to throw it in the garbage. Yeah. It's crazy. And you can't sell it. Yeah. But like, it's like

“that stuff like, and in all, remember in Australia, they have all those like kangaroo”

depredation things. And then one day they go like, Oh, and also you got to leave it to rot. Yeah. If you get it, you got to leave it to rot. You can't touch it. Yep. And like guys, love to say this is just a bunch of bullshit. And it's not going to go through, but man, these days, you just don't know and Colorado, what could happen? Yeah. How could that place? Like, well, I know how it happened. Yeah. How could of state, like, of such,

I mean, like, John Denver, dude. Yep. John Denver. Yeah. They could sell curd in the

country. I know. Someone said, like, it was like the minute, the minute more people lived in four columns in Denver than it did the rest of the state boom. Yep. Trat. Like, that's one, you know. Yeah. Racking mouth. So normally, it's a beloved state of Colorado. I'm all about it. But this, oh, dude, listen, man, I love the place. Love the place. Love the people. This is not about that. Just about, you got to take your state back, dude. Yep.

Yep. Good. Lord. So we'll check back in and man, see what's going on with it. Maybe someday down the road instead of crazy left wing people, we'll be bitching about crazy right wing people running Colorado into the ground. I don't think so. Like it would go

the way of Utah right now. Just whatever. Yeah. Like it'll be like all of a sudden,

it's like, yeah, you get a state where, I don't know. It's just, it's just the, it's just the seesaw. But I don't know if it'll ever swing. Yeah. It's the swing. The swing kills me. Yep. All right, Randall. That's a good news for us. But a good news, actually. This is the greatness. Yeah. Um, so the, the commerce department, um, manages fisheries and federal waters. Okay. Three. I guess it's something like three miles off shore, something

like that. Um, and they are poised to seed management authority to the states of North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia and Florida when it comes to red snapper. Um, how did

“they lose? Is this in your report? How did they lose management? Um, well, I think, I”

mean, I think commerce and like, no, I've managed these historically, since like Magnus Stevenson. Yeah. Also way of go. Yeah. But, and I think like the reauthorization of Magnus Stevenson put, and I could be botching this, but I think it became like more rigid quotas and sort of season setting on, on harvest, a red snapper. Um, and so what's going to happen? I guess under the federal system, the short version is that they're managing

with like very broad strokes because they don't have the, the very detailed like recreational angler catch. I mean, so much of marine fisheries just comes down to data. Yeah. And so they would, these states would end up with a very short season, like only a day, two days, something like that. Real small limits, too. Yeah. And, and so essentially, the states want authority to manage it with more data. They're going to take some elements of like the federal

management structure and some of the information that is good on that side, but supplement it with sort of like the equivalent of Creole surveys. Um, and a more fine tune picture what's happening in the moment. Yeah. And, and the result of that is that we're going to have, we, the, the hunting efficient community, they're going to have longer seasons. Um, so like

“in Florida, I think they're talking about a, uh, 39 day season, the Carolinas are looking like”

at a 60 day season. Okay. Can I have a question? Well, we're the feds, like the feds were managing like under the assumption that there wasn't a lot of them and we shouldn't be taking a lot of them in the states are like, there's actually a lot more of these things than, or is that not? No, I think it was more, I think it was more that they just, I mean, they didn't really know how many people were actually fishing for them. So like that's one of the chains. So, so the bigger

context is that this is already happened in the Gulf. Yeah. And so the South Atlantic states are sort of going to move to what's happening in the Gulf. And that's been very successful. And part of the reason for that is that they're, they're, um, keeping track of who's actually fishing for snapper. So they're, they're, um, I don't know if you'd call it a permit, but, um, like endorsements for snapper fishing. So they know, okay, all these guys that are buying salt water licenses,

this chunk of them are fishing for speckled trout and they're targeting inshore species. And

essentially, with more refined data, they have a better sense of what the pressure on the resources.

“Yeah. And, um, they, you know, in some states, I think Louisiana, like, they, some of them do”

weekly email updates and phone calls to people with the snapper endorsement. Some states, I think Alabama, Mississippi, like they actually know how many are being caught because there's only a certain number of of boat launches that people go out of college snapper. So it's, it's, it's taking, like, the big unwieldy federal, uh, marine fisheries apparatus and, and, and handing it to the state so that the states can get better data and make better decisions for the resource and for anglers.

Because you're an anecdote, please, I've fished, uh, I've fished a number of years recently, a

number of years in a row, spearfishing for red snapper in Louisiana. And what's been surprising to

me down there is like that adaptive management strategy? How fluid it is, meaning when I was a kid growing up like a Michigan, you could spend your entire lifetime fishing under a management structure being that, you know, whatever, the season starts this day, it ends this day. The bag limit is this many, the minimum weight, the minimum length is this and decades go by. Right. And it's just how it is. Right. Right. Fish and Louisiana, it's like constantly being adjusted as the red snapper season,

um, and like copia too, be like, there's like a vest, there's a changing vessel limit. There's changing opening day and closing day. There's changing clothes todays. Mm-hmm. As you realize that they're looking at these data sets and they're like opening, closing, opening, closing and playing it like an instrument. It's like that is launchington too, isn't it for a lot of stuff? Well, yeah, it could, I'm not saying it's not. It could be, that was an example of stuff. It'd be like, man, this is not,

“like, this is like very up-to-date, like, what's going on and how are we like manipulating harvest?”

And I'm sure there's a hundred of them. I didn't similar to what they do with salmon. I was like in Alaska. Okay. You know, like, they have data and they're tracking pressure on the resource, but yeah, the federal system is based on long-term trends and an absence of real, like, fine data. Mm-hmm. And so, by giving it to the states, like, they're going to be intercepting people at boat launches and like keeping track of how many days this week did you fish? How many

fish did you get? And so, um, I think everybody thinks it's a win-win. There's probably some objections from the, like, ocean conservancy crowd who'd rather see, like, a more, like, tightly regulated marine fishery. Yeah. Um, and like, they just don't really want, like, an open-axis fishery. And that's sort of the general, speaking very generally, that's sort of what that crowd would like, but, um, well, it's, it's, it's the states, it's like, the, it's the states to pull it off or not. Yeah.

I mean, you know, if they run, if they, if they screw it up, and they get to aggressive on harvest, and they run them into the ground, right? There's, there's very low incentive to do that, because once you do that, you're going to wind it right back where you started. Yeah. And I, I, I mean, based on what I was told, um, I, I talked to former colleague at TRCP this morning, to just explain this all to me. Wow, man, Randall doing, like, actually. Oh, he's a good guy.

I just, like, I like to go in on the phone with him. Yeah. Chris McLusso, good guy. And he, he was saying, like, man, what's happening in the golf is great.

“It's great. And it's going to be a huge win for these states, if, if this goes through, and I think”

most of the evidence points in the right direction here. So, uh, Florida, uh, I think if this goes through, Florida would open Memorial Day weekend, and they would have like a 39 day season, and then maybe after that, some weekends here and there. So, uh, CMAC was telling me that, with a one or two days season, if the weather's not right, you know, people kind of want to go out there anyway, and, and this way, anglers can pick their days and sort of distributes the pressure

more widely. And yeah, just a bit of, uh, right news in the landscape of Colorado for bands, and all the other junk. Make it for Sharon, right? Yeah. Spencer. I'm going to circle back to the

Mossquad thing. First, um, this is from the Roman Catholic Church. The Latin season has been observed

from the onset of the church, although there have been inconsistencies with duration and practices. It goes on to talk about how, um, different churches at different areas had different rules. And sometimes, um, they had a fasting where you lived like a vegan. Sometimes they had a version where

eat meat. So, whatever was going on with this Detroit parish that had resorted to eat and hey,

you'd imagine that their rules were that you couldn't eat meat for a certain amount of time,

“obviously long period, uh, but you could eat fish. So that's that's how that comes in play for them.”

I'm sure we are to get 10, uh, correction emails. Well, you know what I'm going to hit Randall with and get me a set of them boots. He said hunters and anglers will see longer seasons. Hmm. Did I say that or did I say we meeting the hunting and angling community? Maybe he said, if hunters who are anglers, he has 11. Maybe, uh, Randall can correct your correction. I've got news from the Hawkeye State. Listen up, I regions. The Iowa DNR needs your help. They

are seeking volunteers right now who will go listen for frog and told calls this spring and summer.

Huh. This is a survey that been doing since 1991. Basically what happens is volunteers

drive around in night and they listen for amphibian vocalizations in your wet areas. They then submit their findings via email to the DNR. Uh, and they ask that each volunteer spends about eight hours in total between April and July listening for frog and told calls. Hmm. Uh, these surveys take place in rural and urban areas. So don't think that if you live in Des Moines or Susiti that you're of no help that they would love you to volunteer. In 2025, volunteers surveyed 900 different wetlands.

Uh, the DNR said that they were thrilled with everyone's participation, but that there are three counties in 2026 that are most in need of volunteers. These three counties have not had a frog or told, or towed survey in years. Come on. Those are Ida, Henry, and Wright. So if you're in Ida, Henry, or Wright County, uh, you're exactly who they want. Load up the kids. You're they sure, man. Your country needs you. Yeah. They need an ebert app for amphibians. I imagine that has to

“like be something they could make tomorrow. And I think I've talked about that when I was at Cornell”

meeting with the people that developed the the developed Merlin. I was like, you put all kinds of stuff in there. Yeah. Yep. Nice thing about this. You could go do some night fishing while you're I mean, I would I would just something I would say as a joke, but I mean it very earnest this time. This would be a great date night. Um, there would be me get a bottle of cotton. Don't have responsive. Maybe I'll think we go down to that big old swamp. I don't know why it's a big frog.

Once a bull frog, juggerum, juggerum, juggerum. It's a great. It's a great filter for your potential girlfriend or whatever way. If she's willing to do that. All right. Well, let's just skill to have to just be able to let you know that's a good life skill that anybody could benefit from it. I don't think it would be a first date. No. Yeah. Maybe a blind date. And that'd be a good

“blind date. But if you were dating like someone you kind of knew. Yeah. I don't know from the coffee shop.”

Mm-hmm. I could see that. Yeah. Put a blind date. Hey, you don't want to do that. That's not a

big one from the app to the frog survey. I know she'd be like, no, no, no, no. Here's what happens.

Man, we're going to go way out and that swamp. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. And you're close with your eyes and listen. Eventually, this would become a youth. This is no one's going to go. Uh-huh. We're going to go survey frogs tonight. Yeah. Oh, yeah. If my like boy said he was going out to survey frogs, I mean, no, you're not. Yeah. That's that's like the Hillbilly version of their voicing Shelby. Yeah. Welcome to meat eaters 12 and 26 presented by

multi-mobile and on-ex maps. 12 of meat eaters biggest and baddest hunts from the last year released throughout 2026. These are long form episodes. So you get more of what you love. The first one up is my baited bear hunt in Manitoba. If you've ever wondered what a baited bear hunt is like, you'll love this episode. My favorite part was watching a younger bear spend an hour trying to figure out how to get a creatively hung beaver carcass down from a tree.

Check it out now on meat eaters YouTube channel and be on the lookout for more 12 and 26 in the coming months. Now, there are 16 different frogs and toads. You'll be listening for if you're in Iowa to learn how to identify these calls. You attend a virtual or in-person workshop. Uh, every workshop is currently full besides the last one that takes place on April 13 in Okoboji. Why this is relevant home to species? 16. Wow. I would not have guessed that.

16. How to set half as many. Why it's relevant to recent USGS study predicts that in 20 years amphibians will be gone from half of the places where they currently live. So this is a cool opportunity. Do some citizen science help Iowa gather data on amphibians, which are really sensitive to habitat loss invasive species pollution. But I want to test you guys now. I want to see how well you can do without any training at all. I'm going to tell you. Have you with the bulls tell you? I'm going to

Uh, you guys are going to guess what they are. So fill play the first one for us.

That's a frog. Got it. Spring paper. If you know paper, I'll tell you there's a spring keeper in the background, but that's not the forward call they are. There is. There are spring peepers. Like I said, that's not the forward. I don't know that guy. A green frog. No, green frog is not a banjo. No, green frog. No, green frog is not a banjo. No, green frog. No. Is it a code? It is. It's an American toe. Got it. That was an American toe. Good job. Here's

how they're called as described. High pitched trill that last about 15 seconds sounds like a sharp elongated cry. I pictured the sound times described as sounding like the bleet of sheep. Now,

we're going to play it again. You can watch it make the call this time. So you can see the American

“toe. Crit. Spencer's on it. Oh. Oh. I remember those things. I've stepped on those.”

When it would rain, his throat looks like the nut jerky. That guy makes it. Right. So that is the American toe. That's one of those animals. I feel like when you hear the sound and you see the animal, you don't put the two together. No. No. Oh, let's go on number two. Number two, play it Phil. I'm my old buddy. Yeah. Might to eat him. Yeah. You could find some good gig and spots taken this project too. Yeah. That that is an American bull frog.

That that their call is described as a deep and loud call, a sequence that sounds like it's saying, juggle rum, juggle rum because you just get them really kicking ass on that little clip. You have it resembles the move of cattle, which is why they're called bull frogs. Show us a clip again, Phil. Oh, yeah. Oh, Mr. Yellow throat. The man with the yellow throat. They're cool. He's to catch those things with a fly. That's a dope. That's a low yield animal right there,

man. Yeah. Jump around. All right. You guys got one out of two. Let's see how you do it. Number three. I'm about done unfortunately. Play it out of me. Is that another toe? I'm a grandfather. Not a green frog. Tree frog. No. Let's throw it. It is a leopard. That specifically is you're not just through the house's name. Good for a box that it really is. I got it. Yeah, I got that. Specifically that's a northern leopard

frog. Their call is described as a deep rattling snore that lasts two to three seconds followed by a chuckling sound like a heavy creaking door slowly opening, also sounds like two balloons being rubbed together. That's great. Try it again, Phil. Play it again, Phil. Play it again, Phil. Man, I should have got these right because my son, oh, sorry. Damn. Marco watch it. Yeah. You could talk. No, I think we got it. Yeah,

“that's what he's up. My son's preschool had a frog night where they would take you out”

and we would review the sounds of all the frogs and then peruse this nature reserve that the school was on and try to identify and find the frogs by some and cook them up. We didn't do that for for more information. Go to IowaDNR.gov or just google the Iowa Frog and Toad survey. If you're with the counties again, where they need your help, Ida Henry and Wright. Ida Henry and Wright. Grab your gigs. This story is extra close to home for me because I own a frog.

And I, in an attempt to sex it, I played vocalizations in my house to see if it would call back because for frogs and toads, the vast vast majority of calling that you hear is done by males.

Females usually don't participate. And so I have sexed my frog as a female because it's never

participated in my calling sequences. Then you end up with that thing like by mistake. Yes, my wife, this was two February's ago, February 2024 bought a rubber tree at Lowe's that she brought home. She was replanting in our garage and out of the rooms came this frog. That was like,

“I'm not kidding you this big. And so she called me panicked. I think I was at the office here.”

And she said, what do I do? I'm like, well, I could take care of it or we could keep it and she elected to keep it. I've been a very good frog dad ever since. I could take care of it or take care of it. Have you figured out if it's in a legal species to have? No, it is it is a Pacific chorus frog. Here's here is how I've determined that this frog came into our possession with no evidence at all. It's a Pacific chorus frog also known as a Pacific tree frog.

even a little bit, a little bit in very northwest Montana. The core of their range is Oregon. Oregon is the number one producer of Christmas trees in the country. Lowe's sells a lot of Christmas trees. I think this frog came in on a Christmas tree, bailed from that Christmas tree,

“crawled into the rubber tree that my wife bought two months later and that's how it got worse.”

Man, if we get that some bitch on the podcast. It's a happy little frog. It's got a video of it. This is my Pacific chorus frog that lives in my living room now. We can hear another podcast. You're listening to something. Name is Sprout. It's a female. Back in the old days, I used to try catch a large mouth. Yeah, great segment. Yeah, I think. I'm unbelievably good segment there.

It was fun. This is the second episode in a row where the segment after me has received high

praise. It's not us. It's you. I just want to point that out. Yeah. That's good. Once it goes around the horn and everybody's gotten praise except for me. That's when I'll take it to heart. I'm reporting on a thing called seal finger. The state of Alaska section of epidemiology defines it as a finger infection associated with bites cuts or scratches contaminated by the mouths, blood or blubber of certain marine mammals. The reason we're talking about it is because last fall,

a young man that was skinning in Alaska brown bear, contracted it. Not something new. It's been

“around for a long time, but I think it's been misdiagnosed. They didn't know a lot about it”

until just over like the last 10 to 15 years. Back in the day, seal hunters, coastal fishermen, everybody was extremely scared of it because the way to get rid of seal finger, really, yeah. Like it's common for you. It's common for you. Like you're just going to end up like it's going to be stiff and pumped for a while and eventually they're going to say cut it off. It's going to spread. It's like gang green. Man, that's not good. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Here

we go. We got some pictures of it. You know what I keep thinking about? It's when we're at your shack last year and Heather brought them. Yep. Like man, handle those. Oh, yeah. It's problematic because

it's when you first get it, it just this is, I think, these are the pictures are showing

cases that have gone on for a while and become more extreme versions of the symptoms, because in the beginning, it's going to be a scratch that has some inflammation basically, right? Or a cut with some inflammation. And so you go to the doctor and they're like, okay, here's a man of biotics, topical, whatever. Everything that I read about people that got messed up about it was just this. They would leave and then 10 days later, be like, oh my god. The young man

that got it from the bear, he actually came back, came over two weeks or he had a bunch of trips to the hospital, but at one point has like a fever and like an increased heart rate from it. It can basically get in your bones and start like making like this like very rapid arthritis. Come about. So the antibody that does antibiotic that does do it is docs cycling. So the most common people that actually get it now are people that like scuba divers, people that work in

zoos that mess with marine animals that could get bitten or whatever. And if that happens, say, at a zoo, I forget what zoo it was, but they basically said, if you get bit there, you get handed a letter. So when you go to the hospital, they know how to deal with it and be like,

“don't give them the regulate antibiotics because they ain't going to do nothing. Like you need to”

make sure you're given these antibiotics. You were seeing a thing I got my wallet. I got a question for you on a set or see this. This is important question. It's like a magic checker one. Oh, man. It's like this card. Oh, you keep it your wallet by your ID. They gave it to me at the gate to me at the Cornell. And it says, like, hey, heads up, man, this guy's into all kinds of weird stuff. Oh, you're like a high risk individual. Yeah, man. Wow. It's like if you if you

fill around hunting and stuff all the time or whatever or doing like what you're talking about, it says take note, check him for all the weird stuff. Well, you probably have it. You have it. How do we get our hands on that? You probably have instances where had you had this card

previously, it would have helped. I've had to go in and tell a guy I had a thing and he had never

heard of it and he wrote it down and left the room for a while. Oh, Jonas. Yeah, the bear. Do they think that it's always been in bears or bears pick it up for meat and rotten seals or ladder? Yeah. Oh, he's got it from a ghostly brown bears scavenging, you know, hard to say exactly. The

getting the cut, but again, I mean, he's skin the entire animal. So it's hard to say exactly where

“what how what's interesting about these kind of these this ailment and things like tickborn”

infections is the delay. Right. It's long enough for a bit oftentimes people will not put it together. No, I don't think there's a delay. You said, though, he said, it could be 10 days. Well, I think that you're getting symptoms immediately. Oh, you do. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. Like you're getting this pain and the swelling, but it's quite, but it it's going to start doing worse things as it goes. But it could probably be mistaken for just like, oh, that's a patch that

yeah, exactly. Exactly. And then it gets problematic because it's been it's been missed. I know so the wrong antibiotics been given to it. Now, I call it Heather DeVille, who lives in a marine environment, talks a lot of people that mess around with these animals. She yourself, I think last year, killed like 125 sea otters. She has not experienced, like, doesn't know anybody has no

first or second hand experience. And when she went around and asked a few people about it,

“they were like, never heard of it. Oh, okay. So it doesn't sound like it's very common. That's why”

it's going to come here. Yeah, that's why you come here to get the relevant news. Yeah, you know, state of Alaska recommends wearing nitroglobs and maybe even cutproof gloves if you're going to be, you know, dealing with, you know, seals, sea lion, the otters, that sort of thing. But yeah, because like you said, you'd mess around with a bunch of crazy stuff. There's chances that you couldn't end up with some crazy things. Speaking of that, it's not common.

Great job, Johnny. Speaking of messing with stuff, are you okay if I read this to the, to the, no, for low on time. Did you get a before after COVID that card after, or before? I mean, I don't know. I think it'd be better if it was a punch card like a coffee shop, so when you get out of your shit, they just, that's pretty good. Okay. I was going to do a big report on a record setting cap prices, but the interest of time, I'm not going to

however, if you haven't, we catch yourself near, you know, messing around on YouTube, I invite you to go watch our video called Steven Seth get rich off Bobcats. And there we go to a Bobcat sale. At that sale, we covered what we got for some cats and what my buddy Mercer got from some cats. So we didn't mention in there, is it the top cat at that auction went for $2800, then the next auction a week later, and Idaho, a cat went for drum roll, please. Oh, I wasn't ready for this.

35, I play that. Oh, no, he's again. 3500 bucks. On the bar canyon. All right. I've got two pieces of news in the interest of time. I'll try to keep it pretty brief, but a little bit of controversy in the internet related to some comments from our Secretary of the Interior, Doug Bergam at a black rock summit about infrastructure. He answered a question and an insinuated in this response that those who are concerned about protecting our public lands and worried about resource extraction

on them, that they are not financially literate. Oh, that's the problem. Yeah. So if I just read up more on economics, I would be much happier to see us run out of wild places and clean water, just that I'm dumb about the money. Exactly. That's that's a little bit a little bit unhappy about

“that one, but I think it's great that he brought this up because it gives us a very, very good excuse”

to talk about the incredible financial implications of outdoor recreation and conservation of our

public lands. A report just came out last week that showed that the outdoor recreation economy is now driving a record 1.3 trillion dollars of economic impact. 1.3 trillion dollars of economic impact. Much of that obviously depends on federal public lands. Did you see me get uncomfortable for a minute? I did, but let me know when you hear me out. Yeah, hear me out. Take it back to last fall, another study came out that looked at what they can tie directly to federal public lands. And

that was a hundred and twenty eight billion dollars a year directly tied to outdoor recreation on federal public lands alone. That's three hundred and fifteen million dollars of economic impact a day from the ripple effects, the trickle on effect of outdoor recreation of all types. What is that phrase? That's a great question. I'm not good at that in math. So if you look at that compared to the other ways that we make money or that there's economic impact from a

public lands, it's interesting. Obviously resource extraction on our multiple use public lands is

GDP contribution about outdoor recreation, 2.4% of the entire US GDP tied to outdoor recreation.

“That is more than double gas and oil. That's more than mining. Mining's contribution is 1.5%.”

Oil and gas a .9% contribution to the entire GDP of the United States. So very, very high. But if we drill more on those public lands, we can make that number go up. That's why that's why that's why I don't like, I appreciate what you're saying. But if someone came to me and said, hey, I did some math. Your kids are actually costing you money. Well, I would be like, we'll get them sons of bitches out of here. It's like some things are bigger than that. So I

understand when people do it. But if you came to me and said, oh, you know, we ran the numbers,

public lands, clean air, clean water, all that stuff is costly. I'd be like, cool.

I don't care. Yep. So it's like I get it. But I also, you know, I mean, I don't I don't want it like engage. I don't necessarily feel like engaging in the financial conversation of it because if someone proved the opposite, it wouldn't change my opinion. So I feel like it's disingenuous

“to act like that's why I'm interested in wilderness. Well, I think the key is that you bring that”

is just one part of the conversation. Like, hey, here's this. And then there's also what about the ecosystem services of those landscapes? Like, what they are providing that I should have found this. But there is some data that they've been trying to actually quantify what the economic value is

that clean air provides. Like, if we had to filter the air, the equivalent that our trees do,

or if we had to clean water instead of, you know, the forest filtering through that, or whatever might be, um, what would that cost us to replace that with technology? It's insane. And it has to be a part of the rebuttal to someone saying, right, you're financially, you know, it has to be that because those people aren't interested in the social value as well. I understand. I understand. I understand. I'm just sharing privately here. I'm with you. I'm 100%. I'm 100% with you.

I'm private. I'm sharing privately. Why that makes me nervous. So I hate to do this to you. But we got to talk money one more time. Please. This is a little bit of, and you could look at this as bad news. Like some of the other things we talked about or good depends on, I guess if you're glass half full or half empty guy. But there is a situation, a threat slash opportunity in central North Carolina that is worth getting on people's radar. There is a reservoir on the yetken river.

It's called the Tucker town reservoir. And on either side of that reservoir, there has historically been a bunch of public land lands open to the public to hunt and fish. These have been privately owned lands by El Coa and they leased the to the North Carolina Fish and Wildlife Service to keep that open to the public. Recently, they've decided they can no longer do that. They are selling these lands. Putting them on the open market and going to be putting them up for sale. So right now,

that's 4,000 acres of historically open to the public hunting and fishing land that could potentially be sold off and be taken out of public access. That's the half empty part. That's the half empty part. The half full part is that there has been a really strong push by local land trust in a number of other partners now looking to try to build a campaign of interest, not just in North Carolina, but across the country to buy these lands and then donate them to the state to be

public land officially in perpetuity. And so starting to get some interest and some steam, you can go to TRLT.org or just google save Tuckertown. Tuckertown is the campaign kind of name around this.

“It's very interesting. I think it's a great opportunity here for the public to jump in and make”

a difference here and I can tease for you that we meet either and our partners on X are brainstorming and spitballing and working on a way to help out as well. So stay tuned on that front. But I'm looking and this is a glass half full because I think we can make a difference. How about she there's Wavutirkeys? Oh yeah, right around here. There's turkeys. There's bass. I hope it was not church right there. I mean that real close. I've talked to these. I've talked to this reavours land

trust before and it's just it sounds like a really great group and they have a huge hunting program like a hunting access program through private landowners. And so yeah, like I'm glad that we're getting behind it because I know that they they follow our stuff and they're worked on for hunters and anglers. Yeah, so it's a good one. We'll have more on that on our front here soon. But in the meantime, check it out. Don't hate it. It's a good cause. Ladies and gentlemen, Mark Canyon.

Thanks for telling us that Mark and Helen segment. Sorry, Anna. I mean, more. You know,

for where we go. Go later in the show. I think. Yeah. A little more polish too. I think I think it

“might be a sequencing thing. Did you like yannies? Yeah, that's a great job. And the Furban, too.”

I could have seen. I could use a little more passion. Well, I got to later sell a little more lost. Maybe we'll be a little tablebeat. I took notes on everybody else. So maybe next, maybe next week. Randall has notes are like passion. Yeah. Tablebeating. Go later. I mean, I can't argue with any of that. Shake your face and learn. Let's don't change anything. Just try

going later once and see if you get. Yeah. We just tune the very people. People might figure out what

this special sauce is because if you go later and no one says anything, then we'll like,

“"Hey, it wasn't that." I just can't wait for the angry DMs on Instagram this week. Tell me”

to just disappear. And I'll make sure you know it could be good too. Were you more assigned these or did you more bring it? He didn't pick his path in topic. I didn't. Randall hasn't jumped in with like, I want down. See, Spencer only here. You seem to come up with your own news. I've been distracted. I'm doing the herpetology department over here. That's your beat. Yeah, Spencer's kind of like, he's bringing his own news. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not reporting on stuff. I didn't. I'm reporting on my own

news. Maybe I'll do that. Stuff to catch my eye. Or we just keep giving Randall duds that you don't

“like. I thought Neanderthals was going to be great. I thought that would kill. I mean, especially when”

you an AI image of yourself as the Neanderthals. Yeah. Because if you think, I know, but it was too quick. I wasn't paying attention. It was later when I started waking up. I was done it. I need to aim for like the 1145, 1230 tape. Well, it takes Steve's blood levels and measure the peaks and valleys. It'd be good. Another reminder, check out Kimmy's book. I was going to be Werner flipping through it. There's a lot of also venison and red meat recipes in here. It's not only seafood.

Not that you said it was. I know, but yeah. I was, yeah. Okay. Good job. But there's a lot of good stuff in here. I'm going to get one. I'm going to get one. I'm going to get one. It's getting greedy. Yeah. Once again. I mean, let me see that book. Which is finished big. It's finished big on Kimmy's book. Once again, Kimmy's kitchen in Ocean Woman's Guide to Wild Home Cooking by Kimmy Werner. Kimmy's kitchen. A cookbook. Go buy it. Check her out.

Without the window and into the sunset. I thought I would never stop screaming.

I thought I would never stop screaming. I ran out of bread. So I took in some more. And I started screaming louder. Welcome to meat eaters 12 and 26 presented by Multi-Mobile and on X-Maps. 12 of meat eaters biggest and baddest hunts from the last year released throughout 2026. These are long form episodes so you get more of what you love. The first one up is my baited bear hunt in Manitoba. If you've

ever wondered what a baited bear hunt is like, you'll love this episode. My favorite part was watching a younger bear spend an hour trying to figure out how to get a creatively hung beaver carcass down from a tree. Check it out now on Meat Eaters YouTube channel and be on the lookout for more 12 and 26 in the coming months. This is an eye-heart podcast, guaranteed human.