This One Episode Will Change How You Think About the World & Your Life (From #1 Cancer Surgeon)

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“I just finished recording the episode you're about to listen to and I just, I have to tell you.”

This is one of the most impactful conversations that I've ever had.

What you're about to hear will stay with you long after you're done listening. I mean, I'm personally sharing this with everybody I know because today, Dr. Roel, John Diel, a world-renowned cancer surgeon and neuroscientist who treats stage four cancer patients. Every day I'm talking adults, children, he is here to give you the life lessons most people learn too late. After treating more than 15,000 cancer patients for over 25 years,

he's going to share the number one regret he hears from his patients when time is running out. What people wish they had done sooner, especially when it comes to love, taking risks, reconciliation. He's going to tell you what really matters at the end of life.

“And why most of us wait too long to start living the life we truly want.”

Now, I guarantee you what you're going to learn from people looking back on their lives. We'll change how you live your life starting today. And Dr. John Diel is also going to walk you through a very specific playbook for dealing with difficult moments. Like a diagnosis, getting laid off, crisis, a breakup that just devastates you,

or losing someone you love, how to navigate chaos. And the exact mindset you need when receiving heartbreaking news or when life throws you something brutal. After this episode, you're going to know how to find your power when the path forward feels unclear. And even if you're not in chaos or crisis right now,

“everything you're about to hear will prepare you for it.”

And it's also going to be an episode that you're going to want to share with absolutely everybody in your life. Because when you really take in what Dr. John Diel is going to teach you today. And I want you to really take it in. I promise you, you and everyone that you share this

episode with, you'll never be the same again.

Hey, it's your friend Mel and welcome to the Mel Robbins podcast. I am so excited for our conversation today. I'm thrilled that you're here. It's such an honor to spend time with you and to be together. And if you're a new listener, I just want to take a moment and personally welcome you to the Mel Robbins podcast family. I'm so glad that you're here. I cannot wait for you to meet today's guest, the extraordinary Dr. Rahul Jandiel. He's here to tell you exactly how to get through

life's most difficult situations. Dr. Rahul Jandiel is a world renowned cancer surgeon, neurosurgeon, and neuroscientist. He is one award after award after award and is one of the most cited and distinguished doctors and surgeons alive today. He is the medical director of neurosurgical oncology and skull-based surgery at City of Hope Medical Center in Los Angeles, which is one of the top cancer hospitals in the world. Where Dr. Jandiel operates on brain cancer

and spinal tumors in adults and children with stage four cancer. He also directs his own research lab the Jandiel laboratory at the City of Hope Cancer Center, which focuses on developing cutting-edge neuroscience and cancer treatments. He also serves as a professor within the division of neurosurgery at City of Hope where he teaches doctors from around the world the most innovative cancer surgery techniques and brain tumor research. He received his medical degree from the University of Southern

California, his PhD in neuroscience from the University of California, San Diego, and completed a cancer surgery specialization at the University of California, San Francisco. He is the author of 10 best-selling books and over 100 academic articles on surgery neuroscience and cancer biology, including his most recent New York Times best-selling book, This Is Why You Dream. And today, Dr. Jandiel is distilling more than 25 years of experience as a cancer surgeon to share with

you the lessons about life that most people learn to lay. Please help me welcome the remarkable Dr. Rahul Jandiel to the Melravins podcast. Dr. Jandiel, welcome to the Melravins podcast. Pleasure to be here. I am so excited you're here and I know that some of the things that we

are going to talk about today you have never talked about in an interview written about them but

teach us today from your extraordinary life. You know, if you think about some of the major

life lessons that you've learned both through your work and your own personal experiences, what could change about my life? If I take to hurt everything that you've witnessed the wisdom you're about to share and I apply it to my life, what could change? Well, from me personally, what I want to share are rules for survival that have served me well throughout my life as well as lessons from my cancer patients that have given me a greater sense of meaning and purpose

because I've had the fortune privilege to share in their lives during their difficult moments.

So from there, I've sort of come up with a playbook, if you will and how to do a crisis,

how to embrace change. It's imperfect, but it's been something I've been shaping and molding for 25 years. Now you're about to unpack this playbook for an extraordinary life and if you could go back and speak to the nine-year-old you, it's a little photo there that I'm passing. Oh, five. Yeah, that was an interesting time. Sometimes I mentioned like my life started at LX. I don't really remember the first eight years of my life. It was when I arrived and it was

intense kind of thing like one day you're at the foothills of the Himalayas and cashmere. It's beautiful. It's violent. You get on a pan and fly and 24 hours later you landed LX with my father,

with my mother and my brother. And so for me, it's always people. I'm like, I'm from LX. It's sort of

“birth, rebirth and I think the suddenness of that and I could tell there was something”

intense going on. I'm going a lot of tears in the old country and super fortunate to be here in all this wonderful country as you give them in the opportunities to sort of so many second chances this country has given me really. But if I could go back, I think I would say that you will be underestimated. There will be pain. There may even be violence, but suffering comes from regret. And peace comes from meaning. Give myself those words as a compass. Because other people gave

me that as through mentorship and love. If you look at that photo of yourself as a nine-year-old, and you think back to landing at LX, what would you want to tell the nine-year-old version of you in that moment about what's about to happen and how your life's about to change and all of the

“extraordinary things that your life is going to hold for you? I would tell them it's going to be wild”

and it's going to be beautiful and it can't be completely engineered and you're going to have to go with a lot of things that you don't expect and don't want. And the adversity will reveal your character, but also fortify you and make you the person you're going to be. Is there any background that you want to share about like why your parents left? What was happening coming to this country? Northern India was violent at that time. My father's in aerospace engineering. He's passed away

seven years ago and this great country gave us the opportunity to come here. We left crisis and came to a sanctuary where everybody my family has since thrived and not done my best to be appreciative of the people that live in this country and I personally love Los Angeles because it's not just where I landed. It's just the diversity, the creativity, it's just been on it and it's home and it's home. Now today we look at you, cancer, surgeon, neuroscientist,

best-selling author. You have all of these unbelievable accolades and awards and when you were in high school, did you want to be a doctor? No, I was, I mean, I did not like studying. I was like I set the record in my school for going to detention and that sort of thing. Oh,

“this, that's why everybody's like that guy. I mean, my mom is like, oh boy, how did you get from”

that to that? And then, so no, it wasn't like that at all. I mean, I just wanted to get out of LA at that time because LA was real intense in the 80s. You know, the crack, I could epidemic and

I just like, you know, gotten to Berkeley, went there without seeing Berkeley. I just needed,

I needed a physical change. My popsys to have this joke, he's like, I think you're sort of like

“the enemy of books. I write cliff notes. Oh, yeah, remember those? The yellow one?”

Like the black and the outside. I was like things. I got to Berkeley. I had to take remedial English because I was just like only doing cliff notes. I somehow, I got, you know, my grades on the SAT and I got in and I got out and I was in the Bay Area. And frankly, I needed that change, started partying a little bit too much and a couple of other crises mounted at that time and I had to amputate something in my life. I mean, there was, there was the threat and then there was

my mom developed breast cancer at that time. She was doing great. I was 19. And I just realized

the thing that I had to cut out of my life with school. And that's like a weird thing coming from the 53-year-old accomplished version of you that in your 19-year-old brain, your mom is going through breast cancer. You're partying a little too much. You've got a whole new chapter in front of you. You're at a really prestigious school and in your mind pops, I know what I need to do. I need to amputate school. All right, because the two things that were we were dealing with at that

time, we had a neighbor who slowly became a neo-nautzy, and later he would end up in prison and like in the area in brotherhood and that sort of thing. So that was five feet from our front door. And then my mom was dropping hair. She had a chemo therapy. And so it was that. And then so out of

“those three, then you could see where every resource was for crisis management. I mean, I think”

that's the essence of what we're talking about is you don't know what's around the corner. So I'm trying to, I'm trying to share with the world an approach no matter where you're at. Because we don't know what's around the corner. And in that, at that point, I think now you could see like how do those three things? If you're exhausted, you've got nothing left. And when you've got, you've got a marshal and deploy all your energy that it's going to go to those two things dealing with threat. And I think a lot

of people do it with threat. And I think everybody does it on some level. And I love this, it's a very surgical procedure to take a step back and say, my life isn't working. And I need to amputate something. Because I've got to be able to pull all my resources to focus on what's

“important. And if you've got a neo-Nazi psychopath living next to you and your mom's going through”

breast cancer, I can see how that's a very intelligent and strategic decision to say, school can wait. This needs my attention now. Nobody understood. And nobody understood. But I understood that rather than getting these three things kind of right, I need to get these two things 100% right. And that was the first time I noticed where I was like, okay, I'm driving my life. Because that was a bold move. And then for two years, I was working in a cafeteria as a security

guard. It was it was great because those other two priorities, your mom and your family's safety. Correct. They were flowing in the right direction. She was getting better. She was getting stronger. The, you know, when you have breast cancer, they check your lymph nodes to see if it's partially escaped. Those lymph nodes came back negative so that raised her chance of survival. And then the threat, you know, was dampening, he moved away. You later from prison a decade later,

he would write letters that he's getting out. So the threat never went away. But it was, I then energy

returned. And then I took a, and then I said, I got to deal with this remedial English. So I went to, I went to Compton Community College. And that like, that move, I met my mentor there. And then so that energy blossomed. And as that energy blossomed, and those other things got more and controlled, the, the sort of the ecology, the harmony of all the pieces of my life, I started to blossom. But at some point, I just needed to hunker down and deal with some heavy

stuff and school had to go. And I only I knew that. I love this. And I want to stay right here because I sense that as you're listening, there's somebody in your life that you're already thinking, they need to listen to this episode. And I'm only a couple of minutes into this thing. Because we all have somebody in our life, or we are currently going through a chapter in our life where there's just too much. There's too much going on. And I really resonated with what you said

decision. I had to make a decision of what I was going to amputate. And when you put it in that context

of it's my family safety, it's my mom who needs support because she's going through breast cancer or at school. And everybody just saw that like, he's failing. He's dropping out. And I was just bracing through a storm, right? I wasn't only I knew that when I get through this, you know, there's something on the other side from me, but I can't get through these two things just have as partially. What I also love that you said is that making the decision that other people judged,

oh, we must be, he must be a dropout, he must be failing, he must be this, he must be that, making that decision, though, you said felt incredibly empowering because you felt like that difficult decision getting out of Berkeley, going back home, working as a security guard,

“that was one of the first times you actually felt in charge of your life. What do you mean by that?”

I feel proud that I took a bold step when the optics weren't right, because so much when

you're a teenager, you're doing it for pressures that aren't internal, they're placed upon you. And that's okay, we need to raise children. I've cut three adult sons. I understand, putting expectations on children, if I raise them. But, you know, I mean, I was like, like, one week I'm in class with them. And the next week I got a apron on and I didn't feel any shame, you know, because I knew that inside my skull, inside the sort of

the mental workspace of my mind, my imagination, all these things that happen when we close our eyes. And all the things that are inside us that we don't share, we don't fully understand, things felt right. I would love to have you talk to the person who's listening, who probably had this

conversation texted to them by somebody who loves them. And they need to

amputate something. They need to make a tough decision and get their life back on track. And it's going to go against what people think they should do, whether it's getting divorced, whether it's living your life a certain way, whether it's converting to a different religion, or just going back to school, something that people are going to judge you for. I would love to have you talk to that person who has received this conversation and is at that moment that you

were at where you're like weighing, I'm half-assing all this stuff, something does not feel right for me. I have got to take control. What do you want that person to know? The reason it's a difficult choice is because it's an unclear path.

“It's not going to make sense to other people. That's why you read this crossroads.”

But as long as it makes sense to you and you've given it thought, you know what's important to you in your life and how you're trying to steer the ship slowly, like turning a massive ship. It's not a sudden change. It's changing the composition of a redirection of the journey of your life. That as long as you're peace with what you're doing and you're not hurting somebody else, don't let other people laugh and add you change what you're about to do. Go for it.

Well, isn't it funny that if you really think about it any time you've been at a crossroads in your life, it's probably because you've been making decisions for other people? A lot of time. Yeah, or for me, sometimes it's been that I've got my head in the wrong place and that often is trying to please other people you know or doing it for other people, but sometimes that you

know we can fall down a ravine of negative thinking that isn't necessarily placed upon you. So there is responsibility, you know, there are the choices we make with the world outside of us that are constructive and destructive, but they're also choices we make the with the world and side are minds that are constructive and destructive and I just think you know, I just think both have to be paid attention to.

So let's go back to you working as a security guard after you drop out of college.

“You end up enrolling at Compton Community College and what happens next in your story?”

I met my mentor there. He was the English professor. Okay. Oh, yeah, that's right because you're going to conflict community college. Oh, my turn. Yeah, brush up on the English. Yes, okay. Um, he wrote, I still have it. I know you'll do well, but I hope you do good. Oh, well. And so that and that hit me just like that.

And I caught fire. So but that wouldn't have happened unless I went to Compton Community College. So you can't just wait for like inspiration and mentorship and things to like land on you,

and taking that class at that time, my mom had cancer. And I remember saying just worried about

“her, you know, feeling pain and all these things. And he's like, what if the pain is the welcome”

reminder that I'm still alive? He would say things like that to me. Absolutely. You know, but later on, that would guide me. And so so I found my mentor there and that the doing good thing would serve me later as I had many other crossroads on what to do, plastic surgery cancer surgery, you know, getting the way of somebody that wasn't doing things that were fair or not, you know, you're going to hit crossroads. And again, it's going to look like a terrible option.

It's going to come with a lot of costs. And what my father taught me as long as it doesn't come with moral injury, right? Because you can succeed. But if you absorb, if you let yourself

choose or accept moral injury, you'll never be a piece in the private moments of your life.

So you are now one of the most awarded renowned and impressive brain surgeons and neuroscientists alive today. How did you go from there to where you are now? And what made you want to become a cancer surgeon? I get that question from my students and what I would say is knowing what you

“want to become is kind of like knowing what's out there. And there's no way to do that, right?”

Because some massive world, and you're just a kid, you know, and so I didn't want to be a cancer surgeon. I didn't want to be a nurse surgeon. I didn't even know I wanted to be a physician, you know, but after compting when I came back, it felt like I had more firepower. I had more potential and Mr. Jet helped with that. And so I just put my next foot, you know, you know, I just looked at the opportunity in front of me. And that was that was applying to medical school. And there were

these tests and such. And I got lucky on the test and it opened doors. And I wanted to at USC medical school. And and I hated it because it was classrooms. And I was like, oh man, this is boring, you know. And then the third and fourth year you do rotations. And I went to you know, LA County Hospital and then I found it, you know, because all of a sudden the classrooms gone, the nerves are gone. And it's just like the biggest aquarium in which just study humanity.

I loved interacting with people all walks of life. And the hospital gave me that classroom, you know, and then that was something I was like, then I caught fire. And then I saw,

and I had never seen a surgery. And when I saw my first operation, I was like, wait, this is

physical. I can do physical. So I, you know, I could smart and physical. I want to do. And and it was such ownership. When somebody trusts you to take you, take them back into a room, make them unconscious and work inside them for hours. That's a bond that I respected. The surgery thing, it, it, it, it brought me, it, it woke me up, it wakes me up when I operate.

“So that's how that evolved. Well, it's interesting about you is that you are talking about a playbook”

and what you're describing is not really knowing where it's leading, but paying very close attention to how things feel right now. And those moments when something brings you alive and your words that kind of fire inside you lights up. Well, specifically, it was avoid moral injury. And then the step I remember doing was a minus one plus one. What is a minus one plus one that I got rid of one bad habit? And then I put myself out to do something like it was a combination of

close this box and open up another box. Not the massive crossroads we're talking about, but on a daily level. So give me an example. So at that time, we were parting too much and I just, I closed that box and didn't mean I stopped. I just pushed it to the weak. I mean I dampened the indulgences and then I started volunteering at San Francisco General Hospital. Well, I take the bark, meet some different people in the bark. It was a small, small change. This

way, small change that way. And at a neuroscience level, you know, your brain is generating this

electricity. It's never calm. The measurement is always on. So either is going to go this way or

that was got to be directed. You know, it's not, it's not just going to rev down. I know the lot of people are going to say, no, I feel calm and clarity. But electrically, it's on. So I was just shifting it from indulgences to still something captivating from one habit or practice to another.

that was that needed to change in which was, you know, growth mindset really for me. So is there a mindset that the person who's listening right now could start to build or practice that could help them go after more or shift things in their lives? So part of the playbook in my

mind is to first to be aware of what's going on in your life. So I think there's a lot of good advice

“out there, but there's like a advice and real, real world scenario mismatch. So you have to know”

it, am I in a storm? Am I in a crisis right now? So there's advice and mother nature's like that, you know, there's a winter and there's a springtime. You got to know where you're at. And so there was a time where I was just like, I felt like I was drowning. And if it's a crisis, now I'm in crisis management mode. And my patients have that when when they hear the C word, I had that. And so there are some rules around that. So that's that's a mindset.

And then there's a, okay, I'm not in crisis. Now I've got bandwidth. And now I want to take chances. I want to dare. I want to grow. I want to bring in these practices. Whatever it is, meditation, taking walks, all those things that I hear about, those are practices. They're not going to help you in a crisis. So there's crisis as maneuvers. Amputation. You just got one. Can I get

a rival? Survive breathing techniques to not freak out. So the mindset is first, asking yourself,

am I in crisis? Or am I where I need maneuvers? Or is it springtime where there's some relative stability? And I need to come up with some practices that make me better for one of the next crisis hits or for the changes I want to make. There's too much like, you know, when the crisis at that time with the neighbor, my mom, that's not a time for me to start taking up a meditation practice. You know, there's, or for patients, for my patients, it's not when they're diagnosed

or the first few weeks of surgery, it's survivorship. I had cancer a few years ago, but I can't stop thinking about it. So there's a different mindset for survivorship and practices.

“And there's a different mindset for crisis and maneuvers during that time. I think that's the”

way to think about mindset is to first know where you're at. Otherwise that flood of information,

you don't know where to apply it, you know? I actually love that because I think a lot of times we skip over that step and don't slow down long enough to just say, well, let me just even ask myself, what am I dealing with right now? Because advice is going to be useless if you have no time to apply it or you are in crisis management mode, and you can come back to that. Well, there's so many people who live in threatened their own home. We see, you know, when people

get hurt, they come to hospital, I don't work in a clinic or in a hospital. And it's, I think it would surprise people how many of us live, and you can't tell this rich poor, you know, it's not like you don't know. And so again, that that person has to identify that it looks like you're got it all, but I'm I'm under serious threat right now. And I need to have crisis management techniques, rules for survival rather than rules for self-improvement. Yes, that's very true. And you got to be

very careful about what you decide you're going to amputate in those situations. Because it's easy for somebody who's not under threat to say just get rid of the threat, but it's not so easy at times. Because it won't grow back. I mean, I went back to college, but those amputations lead to changes that are permanent from those people, whether it's relationships or

“careers and that sort of thing. What would you say to somebody who feels very lost right now?”

And they're kind of thinking about, well, am I under threat or am I just kind of in this mode where I need to understand, I got to make some intentional changes? I would say if you're feeling lost, I've been there, you know, and not in the distant past, you know, that's not a that's a place you'll find yourself often in life, especially if you wanting to engage life fully. I'm 53. I've been working in hospitals since 25, 26. I have felt lost when I have searched for an

outcome, like rather than an opportunity. If if you hitch your mental health or yourself worth or the story of your life to outcome, it's going to be frustrating, you know, either you're not going to be aiming high enough or you just kind of be constantly looking at it

brain surgery at San Diego, we were doing surgery down there as and and and mom had taken a bus for like

“20, like, man, I can't remember brought a kid with no shoes on. And once she got her child,”

it just across like almost like the threshold to the hospital in a later conversation. She would tell the nurse that she did it. That was the opportunity and didn't matter what the outcome, that kid did well. But a lot of kids with cancer don't do well, but she wasn't like and if my son lives forever and if my son is cured in her mind that she had brought her to her his her child to a hospital where brain surgeons from America, you know, America is a light.

It had had come to and that her she got her child in Nicaragua, Nicaragua, two brain surgeons from

America plus and then so what I learned from there is don't don't count the winds count the shots,

“you know, and so if you want to be unstuck, take some shots, but don't, you know, don't anchor”

yourself on, on the outcome if the shot goes in. Dr. Johnny, I am so grateful you're here and I'm particularly grateful that you are with us right now listening or watching. Whether you're the one going through a difficult time or not, you know somebody who is. This episode is a life-changing resource, a reminder and frameworks for the people that you care about to be using right now. Please, while we take a short break, be generous, text the link to this conversation to your

family group chat, share this with friends of yours who are going through a difficult time, because we all deserve to be reminded that we have within us the ability to use the tools that Dr. Johnny all is sharing with us, to get through the difficult moments. There is so much more that Dr. Johnny all will teach us when we return from the short breaks to stay with me. Welcome back at your friend Mel Robbins. Today you and I are learning frameworks and tools

for how to get through some of life's most difficult moments. With one of the most renowned cancer surgeons in the world, his name is Dr. Johnny all and I'm so thrilled that he's here and I'm also excited to talk about some of the things that your patients have taught you about what's

“important about life. So one of the things that's interesting about your career is you have”

treated and operated on thousands and thousands of patients with a cancer diagnosis with a life-ending diagnosis. What are some of the biggest takeaways about how to live a happy fulfilling life that you've learned from your patients? Yeah, just for your, I love what I do. I chose to do this when I had opportunities to take care of less than people. When you're a medical school, you choose sick or not sick and then you choose procedure or not procedure. I do

by do big operation. They come to me for operations and they're extremely sick and I take care of patients who have stage four cancer and what we're trying to do is you know, land this crashing airplane. And so it's, I don't have, I don't have patients that I still know because they're gone. And so from what 2004, I don't know, 25 years, I was younger than them than I was the same age as them. Some of them are younger than me. I was growing up. I was raising three sons. They're in their

20s. And I chose cancer surgery when I had an option of different types of surgery to do. And I know it's, I'm a neurosurgeon or brain surgeon, but I'm a hard, I'm a cancer surgeon. And most cancer cares begin with surgery. And it's just so visceral. Like, he's a, well, I love for my sons to be like father and cancer surgeon. And what you see during that process in the beginning, you just try, you know, you're taking, you want to, you want to be the best of what you do. And you, and you

have to realize that this, you can never get the risk to zero. There will be turbulence on the

way of the moon. This is not a flight to San Francisco on Southwest where you expect to land it every time you're I'm saying like, so let's, I know, you're like, he just went there. No, that's, but that's that captures are like, there will be turbulence, you know, and so you

will have a three to four percent complication rate. And I'm trying to get it to two, I can't get it to

“zero, which means we'll have complications. And that you're still doing a service. I had a hard”

time wrap in my head around them because when you meet somebody and then they wake up and they can't talk, they can't move, you know, that, that this, it's been difficult, especially with children. And it's not an ups moment. If you can't get it to zero, if you're going to fly to the moon, you know, you will crash and burn sometimes. It's not a mistake. And so, well, the tumor you're trying to remove is done the damage. It's right. And, and the art there is to get as much of the tumor out as you

can, but not injure the person. See, that's the art of surgery is your reverse sculpting. You, somebody, there are people can take it all out, but the patient doesn't do well afterwards. And then there are some people who just go in there and don't take enough of it to give them

“the best lifespan. We call it peak and shriek. They look at it. They're afraid that they pull back.”

And that's okay. So the patient's perfect, but the cancer surgery hasn't been done to the, to the highest level. And some people get all the cancer out, but then the patient wakes up injured. So there's a, there's a lot going on there, but complications for me were, were difficult because, you know, in children, particularly because it felt like a failure. I didn't have the scale to understand that I'm going to try to help thousands of patients.

I've seen 15,000 operand off 5,000. And I'm trying, I'm trying to, I'm trying to be the best I can for that whole group of patients. I can't tell which was going to have a complication or nice, not a oops moment. That took me some time to wrap my head around that. And I,

and I only, I only removed myself from that, whatever all of that caused me. First, I was overly

competitive or I was emotional. I was just a lot there. Until I started to see that maybe all of this was an opportunity for me to understand humanity, to understand patients, to understand life, to understand suffering, and to write about it. So this, this thing that we're doing now in the last five, six years is, is what has helped me not get PTSD from all these sick people. I've been taking care of this, that they're sharing their life with me as, as part of a fabric

I'm stitching to share a story with other people. What has your patients who are near the end of their life who come to you as a cancer surgeon taught you about living life now? More time with family, pursuing things, you know, reconciling, not reconciling, but what I'm seeing, what I have seen is that all of that is external. And in the end, if they start talking and they say, "I wish I had and they're not coping well." And then, but some of my others, they say,

"I'm glad I did their coping well." And I started to see this pattern that some of the ones doing the best in my mind, I'm like, "You're doing great, compared to some of the other people I'm saying." But their brain was stuck, their life story was stuck with, "I wish I had, I wish I had gotten screening earlier, I wish I had gone to a different place, I wish I had." Not, you know, smoked, I wish I had. And then there were others who weren't doing as well. You would think

the people doing well are all going to be like, "I'm glad I did." But there's a mismatch there. It's a perspective on your life. It's your own, the story you write for yourself. Well, Dr. John Deill, I want to really unpack the mindset you just taught us. And I want to make sure as you're listening or watching that you didn't miss it. And it's the difference between having a mindset where you say, "I wish I had," versus "I'm glad I did."

“Can you just talk more about the power of that "I'm glad I did," and what that means?”

Well, what I'm learning. And for my own life, too, you know, things haven't gone smoothly for me. But I'm glad I did drop out of college. You know, I'm glad I did have a marriage. I'm glad I did go into cancer surgery. And it's nothing because all those decisions went well. And some of that stuff was painful. But it took effort. Because it's not like I'm

born with this disposition. I'm actually, I don't like school. I didn't like reading. And I always

took the negative angle on everything. And I was competitive and I felt easily slided. I didn't

dial. I'm turning for quarter century and choosing experiences that built my identity.

But what I want people to know is those cancer patients are not falling into like, "Oh, positive." Rosie disposition says, "I'm glad I did." They're fighting for that. Their fight is not just with the cancer. But the fight is with the way we think about our world, our life, because you don't know what's around the corner. There is no moment of arrival. There's only being prepared having some strategies, some coping skills, right? So we're maturing through life,

and then having the ultimate, ultimate gift is to write your own story in your own mind and not

“by other people. And that's what they're doing. Everybody's like, "Oh, how are you doing?”

You have cancer. They hate it." I'm like, "Oh, if another person asks me about my cancer,

there were wigs to hide all of that stuff." But in their mind, when I see them, I can see the wheels turning that they're taking this imperfect life. They're like 40s and 50s with cancer. Of course, that feels like the worst look. But they don't come in depressed. If you went into this, you would think, "Oh, my God, it's gotta be the saddest thing in the world. They're heroes. They come in. They come in dressed up. They're telling jokes. They found a way

with a cancer diagnosis through effort, through faith, through spirituality, through friendship. They're directing their life story this way. Because if you don't, you're just going to spiral.

“And that's the responsibility, I think, that we have in our position is to equip people with that.”

That there's no shortcut that is possible. There's no secret steps. Cancer patients have taught me that it's a direction of your psychological energy to write the story of your life as you want to told, more importantly, as you really embrace inside your own mind. Well, it's also, and I love that phrase, the direction of your psychological energy. Both of the story that you want to be told, but also of the story you want to experience as it

is unfolding. Because what you're also teaching us is that when it comes to things that are out of your control. And I think we can all agree, all of the decisions that we have made in the past are over. The cancer is here. The divorce has happened. The school has been dropped out of the drinking for however many years and this is what ever it is. You cannot control what has happened, but you can control how you talk about it and how you look at it. And so even the framework that you use through

your own life, you could have said, I wish I had never dropped out of college. I wish I had

not gotten a divorce. I wish I had this. I wish I had that or you can say, I'm glad I did.

“I'm glad I did because in that reframing, I'm glad I did. You have to force yourself”

to see either the lesson that you learned from it or the experiences that you could have only gained in it. And it's an active process. It is your prayer. It is your cognitive behavioral therapy. It is the argument you must make to yourself. And it's it's it's I'm glad I did and then populate that with because of this good thing happened. Then I met Mr. Jet. Then I met this. Then I did this. Or because I learned this or I learned that. Yes. So it's not just four or five words or

whatever. It's like it's it's an approach to thinking. And so when you talk about cognitive behavioral therapy and that cognitive restructuring to looking at perceiving and looking at things. So these these are consistent things between Marcus Aurelius and Meditations and Stoicism where people are talking about, you know, you feel what you allow yourself to feel. Or you have Buddha and Eastern philosophy or you have cognitive behavioral therapy where it's cognitive

restructuring and monitoring. It's all the same thing. You're controlling the direction of your psychological energy. Either you are focusing on something and focus like holding your breath as a skill that you can learn. Or you are learning to be non-judgemental and let all these experiences pass you like little boats on a river and not biting on everything. For me, it was both. I was biting on too much when I was young. Wilding out, reactive, impulsive. So I had

to learn that there's a temporal nature. Like I know something's coming up that I can't deal with and I need to brace myself for it. So there are strategies directing your focus,

judge. These are Buddhist and behavioral therapy techniques. So all what I'm seeing is all of these different things that the people are hearing in the wellness community on a practical level. My cancer patients are doing it and it all comes down to the direction of your psychological

“energy. And amputating something from your life is another tool because if you are filling your”

life with too many things. Absolutely. I always say if everything's important nothing is.

And this is what we talked about. Yes, amputating something pulls the direction of your psychological energy toward the things that matter because your psychological energy is limited. It's not infinite and it has to be matched to your real world scenario. If everything's good, distribute all of that juice to all the good stuff. But sometimes you've got a brace for the storm. When I operate, sometimes we'll come around a corner on the tumor and there'll be a blood vessel

last. And I know there's four more hours of work that just kicked up and there's a risk for the patient. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got to go into a escape the free fall mode. So this is a very practical thing. Whether you are a Navy seal or complex surgeon or you get that email that says

“we have layoffs and I need to see you tomorrow. You know, when it hits you, the best thing you can”

do is control your breathing. And what you want is at that time it's to pace your breathing. So that's what I do in surgery. That's what Navy seals do. That's what deep divers do. And that's what people, that's the built-in resource. The simplest way that I had somebody explained to me was very like, oh, so you don't hyperventilate in panic because hyperventilation

leads to panic. So at that time when you want a panic, just and what you're doing is first,

you're directing your psychological energy to controlling a reflex that's called breathing. And so you're practicing your focus, your ability to focus. It's a skill, a tensional power is what I call it. And then number two, what you're doing is

“you're relying on a physiological mechanism that prevents hyperventilating and those slow”

deep breaths that the whole science that I can explain is is going to keep you from having hyper excitability of your limbic system. The point is do not let yourself breathe too fast when you blow off the carbon dioxide you will panic, then you will not be able

to deliver your maneuvers. So for me in surgery or whenever you're about to go into a difficult

situation, maybe you've gotten a fight, you know, you got to talk to a lover about breaking up or whatever. Just coming with pace breathing and it's a few seconds in, it's a few seconds whole and it's a few seconds out. Now what I will tell you is if you think you're going to do that when you get rock, it's not there for you because you haven't rehearsing it, you haven't made that ritual. So when I parked my car in my spot. And so that's the mindset that's the playbook for

when the crisis is. Well Dr. John Dio, what I like a lot about what you said, there's a lot to unpack, is this concept of controlling the direction of your psychological energy and attentional power and the power that you have even in the storm around you, whether that's a patient that comes to you and gets a terrifying diagnosis or it's the email that you get that layoffs are coming and there's a meeting tomorrow or the sound of somebody saying,

I don't love you anymore. This is over. Like so many moments. What I really appreciated about what you said was just simplifying it down to slow down your breathing. Don't worry about technique or seconds aren't just in slowly, out slowly and I also loved that you are suggesting that there are moments throughout your day that you can leverage attentional power and settle yourself and calm yourself or even create an intentional transition, whether it's before you get out of the car, you're just

going to breathe in and breathe in. There's nothing going on. Five minutes. Yeah, that's it. There's nothing going on before you walk into the house before you walk into the room. You're just going to breathe in and breathe out and what you're saying is if you start to leverage this little tool in your life before it's going sideways, it'll be there for you when she goes sideways for real. Yes, because we all know the more emotional and reactive we get, the more screwed we are. Yeah, you

So it's practical and again, cancer patients are doing it. Navy seals and it's there. It's free.

“It's universal. It's for all of us and there is just briefly, you know, there's an anatomical”

connection that sort of mediates all of that. It's not, it's not woo, woo. What's happening? Like at the highest level, what's happening when you breathe in and you intentionally control the direction of your psychological energy. You're releasing your own, the pharmacy in your mind.

You're releasing your own value and your your ace in anxiety. It's, so we always hear about just

to get a little science. You're right. We hear about a lot of neurotransmitters, but it's a big cocktail up there. A lot of neurotransmitters are actually depressed. The electrical energy of your mind a bit, you know, they're they're excitatory, but they're also some that are the depressive and that's called GABA. It's used in volume to actually break seizures out of control grain of electricity. And so what is clearly demonstrated out there, whether you tickle the

vagus nerve here, where you control it naturally with pace breathing, you're increasing the release of GABA that's sitting there already in your brain and mind. That's the science behind it. It's not even exotic. It just hasn't been explained. That's super cool. Thank you for sharing that. And I want to thank you for spending time listening or watching this right now because I know that everything that Dr. John Deol is sharing with you and me has the ability to change your life.

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Mel. Plus, there's a 30-day money back guarantee. Welcome back, it's your friend Mel Robbins. Today, you and I have the extraordinary honor of spending time learning from Dr. John Deol. And he's teaching us all of these frameworks that he's learned as a cancer surgeon about getting through some of life's most difficult situations, and really leveraging the power of your attention to focus on what truly matters. So, Dr. John Deol, I would love to have you share

“what you have heard your patients talk about in terms of what matters most about life when”

time is limited, and what kind of comes into focus that people wish they had prioritized more. They're on a mission. Many of them have children. They're not even thinking about a cure. They have said to me, and this has been my experience. I understand a lot of cancer surgeons out their doctors, a lot of patients. I'm just telling you what I'm seeing, their prayer is just that they make it to where the kids finish high school and get out of the home,

that they don't want their children to see their mom pass away while they're in high school. It's a specific finish line that they're going for. You think, no, they want to cure, they're just like, this is what I really need. The older ones, when the kids have moved on, and they've got their own lives, and if we get to call them others, they'll fall today, and you have that fuss, whatever. Their perspective is more that, again, when it didn't hurt anybody,

that they wish they would have been more bold with their hunches and their instinct,

me. All those may be that we're almost like a 50/50 or a 60/40. Not the, it's a choice because it's unclear. Do you want to win the lottery? No choice. Thanks, I'll take it. It's not choices are because it's a crossroads and it was unclear. So it's not so much the amputation I talked about, because that's more of crisis choices. It's more of the subtle meandering through life. Maybe I should live here rather than there. Maybe I should have done this rather than that. They felt like they weren't,

they could have been more bold in pursuing their hunches and their instincts. They never say,

"Whoa, I'm glad I was practical and conservative." I mean, maybe not never. But you know, I'm saying though, I know what you don't say. You know, because then they look back in this day, it's a short run. I should have taken a few more chances as long as they're not like, you know, yes. Herding other people are, you know, gambling it all the way, but it's the subtle navigation their life. They wish they were, that all the pivis they wish they would have been a little bit more

“and fatty can bold. That's what I'm seeing. So I would love to have you speak directly to a family”

member who may be listening or a loved one who has somebody in their life who is dealing with an illness. What do you want the person who's the caretaker to know Dr. John Deall? That if you find yourself in the most trying and difficult situation, you're not alone. The person next to you may not have been there, but they will in the future. The person next to you might look like they're coping, but they could have endured that in the past.

And that our struggles and our triumph at the level of the brain are quite similar. So you're not alone and there are resources for you to get through this with support,

with love, with direction, but ultimately, these those private moments in your life that you

“only share with yourself that you need to prioritize.”

I would imagine that given how much surgery you do, how many patients you've treated with cancer that you've just seen extraordinary resilience, what have you learned about resilience and that human beings are so many times just so much stronger than they think they are? So it's a word that's been bugging me for a long, bugging me for a long time because it's not was thrown off. It's just thrown around like, I don't even know what it means anymore, but

what is resilience mean to you? Well, there's a engineering definition which is the ability to

return from deformation or like a bridge shifts and it comes back. Then there's a psychological

definition that is that's more appropriate and that's resilience doesn't mean just coming back to what you were and means coming back stronger, more force. And so in the psychological sense, there are two types of resilience and their systemic and processive. Systemic means what you're bringing into the fight because of all those the cyclical nature of crisis and springtime, crisis and growth, struggle and growth that you've, that you've baked, that you've rehearsed your skills on.

So now you, is you're bringing something to the next fight the next struggle. But then there is also a processive resilience which is what the fight brings out in you. They're not tough until they get hit. They're not tough and resilient until they face the cancer diagnosis. And that's seen that you think people are like, oh, they're going to fall apart inside your mind and the crisis

“brings out something in them. I like to feel like that's what happened in my life at age 19.”

And that's a tricky thing to say because I don't want cancer. I don't want these things. I don't know my patients do, but the, it's what you bring the fight, but if you're not doing well, this fight is training you. So you're, you're not lost no matter how you're dealing with your life, either you're practicing and feeling good about coping or hey, this is rocking your world and teaching you a lot that's going to prepare you for what's coming up.

Dr. John Deo, what are the best recoveries that you've seen in terms of like the things that they have in common or even if it's not a recovery? The best meeting of the moment. So sometimes cancers and injury will paralyze, like Christopher Rigo, paralyze patients or sometimes your legs are paralyzed, but they have their arms. The injuries like around their belly

some of those injuries are either total and there's no chance or some are partial.

“They've got flicker of movement and the lesson there for, for patients and people is it's”

it's in the first three months that they get the bulk of their, their function back.

The ones that get it back the most are the ones that are sitting there trying to move their leg and the leg isn't moving. They are sending electrical signals through the damage spinal cord landing on the muscles ready to go. It's just not getting the spark. So they are directing their psychological energy towards moving the leg that won't listen and they do it and they do it and they do it and there's nobody there. It's not when physical therapy comes in and then I

say because I see them in gaps and all of a sudden they're coming back with movement and it's all

of that work they did when they saw no result. Just imagine just trying to flicker your foot

and it doesn't move and you're still trying. You're still trying. So the the recoveries that impressed me are not biological it's and I was telling you you're training for the Olympics. This is boot camp. This is the window to go for it. Things won't look like they're moving

“but the continued effort is the only way you will spring back to life in your legs and so”

those are the kind of things I wish people would know is there's a lot out there and the inspiring thing is if the injured brain can heal and I don't mean heal like some magical thing I mean and it doesn't regrow it's not liver you don't pop up a new part of your brain but if the injured brain can recover what about our healthy brain. So Dr. John Diel after watching people recover like you just described from a devastating brain trauma. What do you wish everybody understood

about how change truly happens in life, in the brain, in general? Well I think we can go backwards we can talk about it in the brain and there for life. Sometimes the children have seizures so for oceans from both sides that they have to be on a ventilator otherwise they can't live

“and the only option exhausted through everything else is to remove nearly half of their brain.”

It's called people can look it up it's a hemispherectomy and usually it's on the right side because language is on the left so you take the right side the surgery is done, they're able to wake up but because you took the right side then the left arm and left leg is is out it's paralyzed and then you know it's a large part of the brain that you've removed you're moving a hemisphere it's like and this has been going on for a long time so I'm bringing insights from all

different facets of my life and things that I'm reading then a couple of years later to the extreme example to set the precedent they'll come back walking. It happens in children demore difficult adults and what's interesting there is when you take a brain scan it's hollow the part that you cut out just filled with brain fluid it didn't grow back the left over neurons repurposed the the the dancer became the soldier the it's the

neuron you didn't grow so I always get thrown out when people are like rewire it plus I don't

understand what that means because these these kids they don't regrow that part we took out it stays hollow what's left over doesn't does a new job does takes on new functions and such and the way that happens is with this thing called myelination so the when we're going to get into that why how change happens is if you have a sudden if you do something once you know the the way it works is you know why why change for that because it's unlikely to happen again

but the constant direction of psychological and energy will make the original effort will not have to be as strong once you deposit myelin just stay with me for a little bit so the neurons are like microscope molecular microscopic jellyfish or spring electricity at each other and the way once you once you think a certain way once you behave a certain way to reduce the energy usage they'll start wrapping omega threes as fatty sheets like insulation around the

tentacles okay so think of it as like if you keep going down the same groove from the top of a mountain you tend to fall down that groove well there's a cellular basis for that and the and the

using up so much fuel efficiency neural efficiency otherwise well we're using up so much

“fuel just to tire shoelaces that's on point you want to tire shoelaces now we're thinking about it”

and when people get Alzheimer's they can still tire shoelaces they can still write a bite because it was efficiently deposited so change takes constant but moderate effort it's not like one big effort it's not 10 hours of throwing the baseball to learn it it's better to do 15 minutes a day and those are the molecular cues for the omega threes fatty acids that we all want to eat from salmon and brain diet to take the positive habits that you build and make them more likely to

occur to shift from the bad grooves down the mountain to the new grooves that you've made that shift takes

effort but it's not lifelong effort you put in a hard couple of months to make that change now that change gets easier to do then you take on another change you do another minus one plus one like

“we talked about incrementally what's one like big epiphany from all the brain surgeries that you've”

done that has changed the way you see human possibility I will tell you the recently it's not it's not from brain surgery you know when your hard stops beating there's still another couple of minutes where your brain is sparking electricity spraying or spraying neurotransmitters it's still going that last surge gives it enough glucose and oxygen and when your hard stops after cardiac death there is not electrical silence in the brain and those one or two minutes

um the brain isn't like whimpering like it's the the last thing the brain will do is launch all of its electricity in chemicals in a giant salvo fireworks and then stop so it's not like other organs where they go down there's not like it's not like decremental slowly the hard stops beating slowly the liver turns changes color the brain when it gets its last pulse of blood will just fire off and a lot of that electricity looks like dreaming and expansive memories

and that sort of things and that might explain why if those people come back they all share the same film strip of their life that's cool and that's a measurement that's not my opinion that's super cool yeah that's super cool I would love to talk more about some of the things that you personally do every single day you know you are a cancer surgeon you're a father of three adult boys you've had so many like just unbelievable twists and turns to your life

you're one of the most decorated cancer surgeons around what are the most important daily

rituals to you that really help you or what's the single most important daily ritual that you have the single most important daily ritual I have is that it's several times in the day I rehearse my intentional focus by pacing my breathing it trains my mind to focus and it trains it trains me to get ready for that what's around the corner because when it arrives when crisis arrives it's not when you really want to pull something out of your rusty toolkit you know

“you want to you want to have that sharpened and what's why I think that's important is when I can”

cultivate my intentional power then that intentional power is useful for other things and I'm able to shift it like when I'm driving I'm like okay I'm thinking about my next book I'm going to listen some music and a rock out a little bit I'm going to deliver attention to this so that five minutes of directing my attention pacing my breathing you know keeps keeps the rains on where my mind is headed and that way I can deploy it in a strategic fashion

I want to have you walk me and the person that's listening or watching right now through how we could start this five minute practice ourselves because it makes a lot of sense to me that I think most of us go through life probably on autopilot feeling super distracted our attention pulled all over the place putting fires up how do we implement this today what do we do step one try you know step two it doesn't have to be some private place because the

lot of your crises and a lot of your tension is is is stolen when things are wild right it's not going to be in a yoga studio or in a quiet room so randomly at times during the day where you think

set a timer in your mind it could be a song like I like to go for there's a certain song I use

or it could be a time on your phone and just through your nose it doesn't have to be one nostril I mean all of that it's all going the same place and through your nose just try to breathe in for three four seconds hold hold for a few seconds in a slowly exhale and then pause for some and then do that again and see if you can get 10 of those see if you get 20 of those and if you're in public and stuff and you don't want people to know you're doing that like in surgery he's like

because my mask my mask will fog up if I use my mouth I wrote about that like in the beginning when I was learning I was like oh like and that we were these glasses that are magnifying glass it's like fogging up and the nurses would tease me they're like hey you freaking out over there they're like no I'm not so I you know I only use my nose and what I'm trying to tell you is this

“overlaps with Buddhist meditation pace breathing you have to try you're directing your attention to”

do this you're pulling your attention from something that's been spiraling and driving you crazy so already you're redirecting your psychological energy to something positive and so the intentional power is really a skill you can cultivate people can learn to hold their breath you can learn to hold your attention I want to make sure that you got that and so I'm going to

translate it and if I miss something you tell me okay so basically it's as simple as it sounds

practicing and building the skill of attentional power is simply at any moment and you could do it right now you could do it sitting in your car you could do it lying in bed in the morning you could do it sitting at your desk you could do it before you walk into a room attentional power is bringing your attention to your breathing and you just recommend in through the nose hold out through the nose out through the nose it's not as easy as you think

when I first started with like four breaths later like hmm do something so that is what ten try ten you're saying try to do it ten times like you could do it standing in line with

the grocery store yeah especially standing in line with grocery store whatever it is but here's

what you're going to notice is that as you're standing in line with the grocery store and like okay I'm going to practice attentional power since I just heard this and I'm not going to look at my phone I'm just going to practice attentional power you can only pay attention to one thing at a time and so by focusing on your breathing in pause out pause in pause this is how you build the skill this is how you and controlling your attention is a part of the meditative practices from eastern

philosophy it's a part of when people say get therapy when you see your therapist and they talk

“about cognitive behavioral therapy you know you have to divert your attention to argue against the”

the life narrative you're writing you have to divert your attention to do non-judgmental monitoring they call it don't react don't react all of it takes attention and so this skill push-ups will help you open a heavy door focusing on your breathing like this and your private moments during the day will help you with all of the other things you're trying to do because it harnesses your attention could you speak directly to the person who's with us right now who's going through

an extraordinarily difficult moment so they're in the crisis mode doctor John Dale what do you want them to know you're not alone crisis hits our brains and minds in a similar way and there are approaches to dealing with crisis that we've talked about today in the moment as well as when you go home set your guardrails don't make a decision tonight in crisis that you can't take back

“and then the next day is when you have to sort of turn to others to come up with a plan”

to get through this difficult moment how has what you do for a living and the patients that you've treated changed you? I'm a lot less judgmental you know just you know when you're younger you place your emotions on other people you you think you know what other people are thinking or you feel underestimate and all of that stuff and it just feels foolish and immature to be now because after this many patients and all these all of their stories what I've seen is that don't judge the

rich don't judge the poor you don't know what they're going through you don't know what's what's happening in their lives they're in line with you next to you you don't know cancer patients have taught me that it's not what you think when you when you care for them because a lot of times they don't

short with them or something they have no idea they just drive in home right now after hearing they got cancer if you had to just distill everything that you've shared with us today from this playbook the mindset frameworks the intentional power directing your psychological energy some

of the real truths about life into the most important takeaway for the person who's listening

“what would it be and that you know that there is no final moment of arrival this life is not linear”

cyclical and you know in the springtime of your day or your life relish it enjoy it and during the difficult times there are strategies and approaches that can help you cope and help you survive it's not you alone in the dark you know trying to grab for a life vest people have been here and they've left their mark by guiding us on how to deal with that as best as we can well I really appreciate you leaving your mark and guiding us in an extraordinary way

Dr. John Diel what are your parting words life is beautiful because it's difficult it's nothing

“guaranteed nothing promised make the running can relish the good times too you know that's that's”

also a life skill yes well the good times are the average Tuesday like if you can enjoy an average Tuesday then you miss the good times yeah well this was extraordinary and I'm gonna borrow from

one of your really powerful frameworks and say I'm glad you did get on a plane and you did come here

and you shared all this because I know that my life will be forever change and I know that I speak on behalf of the person that's with us and everybody they share it with their lives will be changed to yeah I'm glad I did too thank you mill thank you and thank you for taking the time you put your intentional power to something that is gonna help you create a better life there is no doubt if you take anything from this and apply it and I hope you share it with people that you care about

you will be able to manage the very difficult seasons of your life and you will be glad that you did already in case nobody else tells you I want to be sure to tell you is your friend that I love you

“and I believe in you and I believe in your ability to create a better life and when you do”

I know you'll be glad that you did I'll welcome you into the very next episode the moment you hit play I'll see you there God it's amazing how dirty I get because I don't ever recall touching them it's like they're snaring it it's wild it's just like where did that slick come from I I didn't I didn't touch the lens as that would I'm walking through the air into it it's fender is color

I didn't know that yeah I guess I always freaking out of the can I've never felt it in last

I don't mean to stare at you in a creepy way I'm trying to like hold so they have a little more room to cut trying to do my job Cameron thank you ma you're welcome if our past don't pass again I really about you but last I don't have well I they're gonna cross again we mean if oh and one more thing and no this is not a blooper this is the legal language you know what the lawyers write and what I need to read to you this podcast is presented solely

for educational and entertainment purposes I'm just your friend I am not a licensed therapist and this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician professional coach psychotherapist or other qualified professional got it good I'll see you in the next episode [Music]