William Gaunitz On Unexplained Hair Loss, Thinning Hair, Scalp Hygiene, & How To Regrow Healthy Hair

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I'm Jim and her show. Today, we have William Gownitz on the podcast. And this one is for anyone that cares about hair. William Gownitz is a world-renowned certified tricologist with over two decades of clinical experience, consumer product development and global conference leadership. At age 17, his own unexplained hair loss and lack of regret sparked a deep curiosity

that ultimately led him to pursue formal training in tricology. He's now a leader in the hair loss in regrowth space and has spent over 20 years doing extensive research. The culmination of his findings with there are three core reasons for hair loss, hormonal, nutritional, and inflammatory. And on today's episode, we talk about all the ways you can keep your hair, potentially

grow it more efficiently, make sure that you're not losing it, and general health as it's related to taking care of your hair and your body.

We've actually never on this podcast done a specific episode all around hair.

“I think this is going to land really well.”

We had a million questions for William and he answered all of them. With that, William, welcome to Skinny Confidential, I'm in her show. I'm so glad you're here because I think I thought I was spinning just like a by a little tiny portion right there on the front, and so I think I'm here because if I lose this thing, I think it's over for me.

I mean, you've got a killer head of hair. Thank you. Yeah. He tells me every single day he reminds me of his head of hair. I thought one thing going for me is the hair.

I think the hair adds an inch to it. Okay, so it does up, so I guess to start, how would you describe what you do, and maybe give a little bit of context on your background and how you got so interested in this subject in the first place. So I started losing my hair when I was about 17, and I was supposed to be an architect,

and that was my whole thing. I want to build buildings and do all this. My hair by the time I was 20, you could see right through the top, and I'm like, I need to go find a wife. I need to go do all these things because I'm going to be unattractive, and my hair is really

big deal. And so I ended up studying psychology, and then up shifting my entire life. So I actually ended up resolving my own hair situation, and then I'm like, no one is doing this. Why is no one doing this?

And so I opened a clinic and studied literally all over the world, and now 24 years later we have our brand, which is all over the world, and then we have, we're spinning off all this tech to help teach people how this is done properly, selfishly, it's for my own self. So tons of people are immediately going to say, how did you resolve your hair issue?

So back, you know, to do a lot of hair, I'm going to look at it. I do. I mean, I've got a lot of hair.

So back in 2002, well, basically, like, we'll go 98, 99, there wasn't anything like

“the tech that's out there today to show you what you need to do.”

Like, no one's looking at your scalp on our microscope regularly. So really, when you're trying to understand how to manage this for yourself, you need somebody to assist. And so for me, it was basically learning this in France, so they scout my cross-pee. And then in Perth, Western Australia, they were doing some really cool innovative stuff,

which now is standard, but that's kind of what works for me. So the reason that I wanted you on the show is because I have discovered through my own hair journey that hair growth starts at the scalp. And if you don't take care of the scalp, your hair doesn't grow. This is my own, Lauren Bostick Theory.

Yeah. So let's start with the scalp. What are people doing wrong when it comes to their scalp? I mean, where do we start? Yeah, let's pull it out.

Yeah. So realistically, when you're washing your hair on a daily basis, so I don't think you

“should, if you're not losing your hair, you should not be washing your hair with some sort”

of caustic shampoo every single day. You should be probably washing every 48 hours or every 72. I wash my every two weeks. Okay. So as long as your scalp is garly.

It's garly. Yeah, well, we can take a look. We can take a look. But so when you have a healthy scalp microbiome, that then you're good. Because I mean, just like a healthy gut, all of that bacteria and fungus and parasites are

basically in balance. And so if they're in balance, then you don't really need to wash

your hair that often. But if it's out of balance and you have issues with severe dermatitis, psoriasis, dandruff, if you're losing your hair, then you need to be washing daily. And the people, you know, they hear from their stylist, I shouldn't be washing my hair.

And then if when things go bad, then it gets worse and worse and worse.

So the washing, the hair situation is situational. Yeah. Oh, 100%. Health of your current scalp. So if you are going to wash your hair, what are ingredients that you want to lean into

and what are ingredients that you want to avoid? So I mean, there's, there's standard ones, obviously, you don't want to use parabens. You don't want to use sulfates. You really, you know, propylene glycol, anything that's going to kill the microbiome. Like, you need something that's gentle.

However, if you are losing hair, then your scalp microbiome is probably off anyway.

“And you need to use tea true oil and great for tea to extract things that are going”

to naturally manage the things are out of balance. What are some brands that you really love? Well, I mean, obviously advanced strikeology is my number one. There are some gentle brands that you could use that you can pick up at like whole foods like Giovanni.

And then I just recently did an interview where I talked about the tea tree shampoo from Trader Joe's. Okay. It's a cheap alternative. It's actually a pretty good shampoo.

It works pretty well. I want to go back to the scalp question. You mentioned, you mentioned to the washing the hair thing, but what else are people doing wrong when it comes to their scalp? They're not handling their scalp.

Like you're supposed to like touch your scalp. So whether you're using a brush, so brush your hair actually use a brush to move the sebum off the surface of the scalp and move it around. Traditional things people stop doing when they think they're losing their hair. They stop washing their hair.

They stop brushing aggressively. Like you need to stimulate your scalp.

“So by handling your scalp, massaging your scalp, these are things that are going to keep”

it healthy. And we were talking right before we started about the type of massage with the scalp. And you were saying you actually want to move the skin off the bone. Yeah. The scalp over skull.

I mean, you want to basically compress your scalp and then move the scalp over

skull. I have a video about that, which probably my most popular video. And legitimately, you get these little like calcium deposits between the fascia and the scalp itself, and you break that up when you're manipulating the scalp. I do that every morning, like I'll pull my face up by massaging my scalp because my

theory is it pulls the lifts your face while you're massaging your scalp. Like you push it. Yeah, why not? Like I like put my fingers through it and like massage what you're saying. I know exactly what you mean by the scalp over the scalp.

And I really do think it helps with hair growth. I mean, it certainly does. Okay. I think so too. What about micro-needling your scalp?

Oh, man. This is a hot topic. So, there's micro-needling and then there's derma rolling. So derma rolling is what everybody does on the internet. They get the little, you know, tiny little needle device and then they push that into their

scalp and then they use the topical. That's to me, not a great idea. Now, if you're going to traditionally use micro-needling like medical micro-needling and you go in and you see an esthetician and you do this, you know, monthly for, say, four to six months.

So, there's a lot of data that says when you penetrate the surface of the scalp by about two millimeters, which hurts you bleed, you're going to stimulate recovery. So, micro-needling good in my opinion, derma rolling bad. Why are so many guys bald? They're so, like, we live in a world that is a recipe for baldness.

What's the recipe?

The recipe is basically using the wrong products on your scalp, the just horrible dietary

habits. We've got plays a massive role in how your hair should be growing. Nutrients, people are not getting blood work, they're not getting their vitamin D tested, they're not getting their iron and fared and tested. They're going on crazy diets that negatively impair what's going on, like basically you

shouldn't be a vegan if you're in no blood type. If you are a B blood type, you're consuming tons of chicken. I can go down that rabbit hole. What are the vitamins that people are lacking? Or are I guess the levels that people are lacking that correlates directly with hair loss?

The vitamin D is huge, I mean, we found out during COVID that vitamin D is a big deal for your immune system. So when you are taking vitamin D, most people's vitamin D is suppressed. If your vitamin D is less than 30 nanograms per milliliter, you're most likely going to have some hair loss.

Even if it's diffuse throughout your entire body, beard, eyebrows, hair, eye to guy that came in with a situation, he could not grow hair well on his entire body. He had 30% of his hair left, his only problem, like literally did nothing else. We tested his vitamin D, his vitamin D was two nanograms per milliliter. Lowest I've ever seen, we gave him some vitamin D, he doubled his hair in a month.

Is this a supplement or is it an IV of vitamin D that you're giving him? No, supplement, sublingual. So just like a regular old supplement. Yeah, but in that situation, right, like he was one of those very rare people that had a crazy low vitamin D, my lowest mind's ever been, it was like 12.

“But in that situation, that's what you need, every person is an individual, obviously.”

And you need to test what's going on for you to correct.

vitamin D's low, it's likely nothing just changes the vitamin D and that would probably

be all they need to do. Well, I mean, it's just, yeah, depends. So I mean, my philosophy, which is called the gonothrycology method, there's three primary reasons for hair loss. There's DHT, there's nutrition, and then there's inflammation.

Information mostly stems from your gut. The nutrition issue is exactly what we're talking about. There's five key nutrients, fared in, obviously vitamin D, then you've got zinc, B12, and folate.

“And then if you've got genetics that your hair is going to fall out, you have to fight”

those genetics. Your body's asking your whole physiology to lose hair. So DHT or dihydrotestosterone is the issue. You need to mitigate that, and you might have all three, and you're just, you might try

one thing and it kind of works or it doesn't work, you have to handle what's going

to happen for you. Genetically, how are there things that you can look at, like some people say, hey, if you look at your mother's father or none of that matters. So how do you know genetically if you're predispositioned to balding? So there's a test.

There's a genetic test. So you can get the genetic test. It doesn't mean that you're going to lose your hair at 18. You might just have like 80% of a men have some type of genetic hair loss pre-programmed. But if you have all this like epigenetic factors and lifestyle factors that's causing you

to potentially lose your hair, it may speed everything up. So whether you have it or not, it's kind of dictated by your pattern of loss. If you were losing hair on the top of the head more so than the sides of the back, you probably have DHT related loss.

“So why do women lose their hair? Is it the same as men or is different?”

Same as men, but the ecosystem, the female ecosystem has more variables. So the overall aspect of just, you know, menstruation, you're losing blood on a monthly basis. You require about three times the iron that amailed us. You also have all these hormones with, you know, obviously giving birth your estrogen

when you go through pregnancy is actually anywhere from about 152, 300 times normal. So it spikes during pregnancy and then dumps within three days after giving birth. There's so many of those things. Then birth control. So if you're using any hormonal birth control, it's probably changed your ecosystem.

There's just so many different levels and then pressure on women for different diets, vegetarianism, veganism, that's going to impair the amount of iron that you're consuming and that's going to be a problem. It just, you know, so many things. So I added liver iron.

Yep. Tons iron. Yep. I added a bunch of heart and it's like a force of nature and sexual nature. It's a short one.

And I noticed my hair used to be the hearings, be fried blonde. I noticed my hair started growing. However, I also did something else with that. I took three scoops, which is a lot of amino acids a day with creatine. And I noticed that my hair grew faster, thicker, stronger, shinier.

Yep.

“That's, again, organ meat I think worked for you.”

For you. So you added a hundred percent fuel, right? So you added all the iron. So you added all these other natural amino acids in those organs. And then you just really sort of pumped it up with extra amino acids.

And then the creatine. So your body is like, oh, thank you so much for all of this fuel and all these raw materials. To turn my hair into growing longer. Because your body's smart, it's regulating how much hair you're going to grow because it's a second most rapidly dividing cell on your body.

If you are malnourished in a sense, your body's going to hold back those nutrients for you what you need to live. How much distress contribute to hair loss depending on the person a lot? Oh, a lot. Yeah.

I mean, the amount of impact that stress has on our bodies obviously just a slow burn of inflammation, but in a sense of losing hair, the stress can be a direct cause of hair loss. So there's only a handful of things genetics is one of them. But stress can cause health in a fluvium, which basically a trauma, a stressful event can

make you shed anywhere from basically 33 percent to half of what you have within basically

a year. There's other things like Alapishariata, which a lymphocytic attack on your hair follicle, which is really, really common to spots where when people lose full heads of hair and their eyebrows and the rest of their body, that is directly caused by stress. You know, it's interesting because last year in the middle of the year, we had our third child

on the way. We have two small ones. And then I was in a bunch of in the middle of much of it. And I was more, a lot more stressed than I typically was. And I could tell, like, got a couple more grades than usual hair was like a little bit

thinning, but I noticed when I got it under control, it kind of reverse a little bit. But in that period of time, I could tell that it was that there was something going on. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you got it under control. I mean, it's so, it's like someone with like, like, no, but I could tell.

Maybe if I had the bill, I would have been stressing.

I call him Eddie Munster, because the hairline is so far down. And he really has so much hair, you do. So I don't think you should complain. No, but I could, but I'm saying I could notice at that time that there was less of this of the hair.

And I could tell, and I think during that period of time, I definitely kicked up some of my grades. And it was like, it was an in a cute period of time. And I know that that's coming in that's normal part of aging, but I could tell in that condensed period of time, I like accelerated for a period, and then kind of just probably

went back to normal. Did you notice shedding? A little bit. Yeah. Okay.

So when did you notice that?

I noticed, remember I told you about this. I said, oh, it was one of my, I would go like, put my hair back and like, what's going to be more than usual. Yeah. And I was like, oh, shit, that's not good.

And then I notice like now, I mean, I've stuff on my hair now, but there's, there's a lot more grades than there used to be. And it's, you know, you could see it in the beard, it's like, and it's coming. Yeah. I clearly know about it.

Right. But it's, you know, I think it's a normal thing for a lot of men. But I just realized in that period of time, it was like an accelerant of what the, what I would see as like a normal process of shedding and, and grain. Sure.

Well, and then if you are not getting enough sleep, you know, stress and then again, cortisol, hormonal shifts, these are all going to diminish the amount of stem cells actually activating your hair follicles, which can lead to more shedding and gray hair. Do you believe that red light helps stimulate your scalp? So there's a lot of different ways to use red light and absolutely, if used correctly.

“So I, that's what kind of saved my hair.”

So back before you could get red light anywhere, there were these sort of, you know, inclinical lasers that you could only get by going in clinic, and that's how I started. So I opened a laser, a red light laser facility clinic with lasers, not LEDs back in 2002, and that was just, you know, rocket fuel for your hair, too, because it stimulates blood flow.

It stimulates ATP, but that will only work if you've mitigated the underlying reasons for the loss. If you were still super stressed, then that probably wouldn't do a whole lot and could make you worse if you weren't eating the organ meat, if you weren't correcting the underlying nutritional deficiency, that absolutely will make you worse.

So you need to use it in the right circumstance. It accelerates what's going on internally, and if it's good internally, good shifts, then you're going to grow more hair. If it's bad, you're already deficient, then it's going to make you worse. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace.

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“What about that like $2,000 how much that people are talking about online?”

Oh almost it's going to buy it. The good thing I did at night so you're not in your head now. Never use more than $80, ever, the reason that you can buy those is it makes more money for the physicians or whomever is selling them. What about a red light bed?

I love the red light bed, so the red light bed's different, so you're using LED's not lasers and that ATP production throughout your entire body I think just is a mild stimulus versus an aggressive stimulus. Who get rid of the helmet in the caroay? I would just if use it for what it is like if you are dealing with normal scalp health

then start low like use, I mean get an $80 laser use it 10 minutes twice a week, that's all you need. Okay. What's the one that you like the best if someone wants to buy it what you're talking about?

So obviously advanced trackology we have an $80 laser shot and laying off, use it twice

a week so that's the one I would never recommend more than $80.

There's other older devices that are maybe 36 lasers with 50 LEDs, there was an old school device called the iGrow laser, I still like that laser.

more than 80 laser diodes.

Okay. You send me the one that you like so I can put it linked in our show notes. 100%. Okay. Just because it's such a popular medication right now, how have you seen GOP one's affecting

here? Oh man. I'm glad. I thought about this, so we have research team that's looking specifically into GOP once and why does it impact the scalp?

The easy answer is, is it's modifying the way that you end up essentially absorbing new trance. So that's the easy answer. When I'm looking under the scalp, I don't think that's the case. I think there's something with these peptides that are interfering with how the sugar

is basically being absorbed and there's something there that's creating inflammation. So we'll just say that it's nutritional, but I think there's more to it. What do you think about COVID and people who lost hair from COVID? What would you recommend that they do? So people who didn't think that this COVID hair loss was real is 100% clinically proven.

It is real. So 28% of people who got COVID ended up losing hair in some capacity.

The problem is, is the inflammatory connection with COVID is an issue.

I personally think that it's the change in the gut microbiome that was the biggest issue. We tried to tackle this with products in the clinic for probably three years, so we hit the mark. There is a product that the only reason I brought it out of the clinics that's called the hair stem serum.

That product uses a lot of anti-inflammatories topically, so we're using actually essential oils, which I always thought was super hokey, but it helps bring down some of the inflammation on the scalp, and that helps a lot. There's other things that you can do, basically try to rehabilitate the gut because your gut microbiome probably shifted.

So you want to look at things like, you know, bacillus, or electro bacillus, Rudy Eri, there's plantarium. There's a handful of other ones that are going to be really beneficial there. We actually have some new products like a gut renewal collagen that is actually really helpful

“on that, but you need to deal with the gut and you need to deal with the inflammation.”

If I take tea trio oil, like an organic tea trio oil, and I put some drops in my shampoo

and my conditioner, and then I take a water, like a squirt water bottle, and I put tea trio oil in there and spray it after, is that helpful? If you have a fungal issue of the scalp, absolutely, but if you don't, no, okay. So that's the thing, if you have an itchy burning scalp, if you have tightness to the scalp, or if you're losing hair, that might be a good addition.

If you are using that to help your scalp microbiome, don't, because it's going to kill positive bacteria, as well as probably kill some additional positive fungus in use. So how does someone come and test their scalp so they can figure out what they need? So really, the way that we do it is we look at it out of the microscope. So when we're looking at the scalp out of the microscope, you can see if there's overgrowth,

you can see if there's inflammation, you can see if there's parasites. So there's like these little tiny parasites called DEMODX follicularum that will literally feed off of your epithelial cells in the oil, supernarly, but they will, you can see them actually emerging from your scalp. So tea tree actually is really helpful for those, but you need to be able to wash your hair

on a daily basis, and there's a scalp serum that helps with that too. They hair stem serum. What can you test on my scalp today with that thing behind you? I can look at your scalp at 50 times magnification and see what's going on, clean, clean. And you'll actually be able to tell right away everything that's going on.

Yes, I mean, so this is our new obviously home device. So I brought my laptop with my actual clinical device because I figured this was going to come up. Yeah, I do want you to test myself. And so we should do it on the laptop. The, when we get towards the end, we'll do it.

No, yeah, we don't do it right now, but I just want to know.

“But that's, that's the best way, because you can tell a perfectly healthy scalp by comparing”

the back of the scalp to the top front sides. And I can tell you where you're about to lose hair, because of the way that the hair is growing. As well as where hair is growing now, that you don't know it's growing yet. So like if you're covering from a situation of stress or if you're using a new product, then you want to know if it's working.

That's the best way to do it. What's the point of no return? Where someone comes here and they're like, you're like, it's too late. I can't help. Like, Mr. Clean is he passed the point of no return.

Probably. The hair follicles, you will normally have if the hair follicle is completely dormant and resting. So nothing is growing for approximately two to three years. It will most likely die, atrophy away like anything else that you're not using.

What about babies and cradle cap? We see this a lot. What is that from and what can we do to prevent it? That's a great question. So cradle cap is essentially just an overgrowth of yeast on the scalp.

“So these are all things you need to talk to your pediatrician about, but there are little”

things like if you're giving the baby, obviously, breast milk and you are trying to then

is good.

“If you want to do a little bit of a tea tree mist on the scalp, that will help take care”

of it. But obviously, you just need to be really careful not to get it in a baby's eyes. A variety of ways.

It's basically yeast overgrowth.

What about coconut oil in the hair? So a great question. So coconut oil is filled with coprylic acid. So coprylic acid is very anti yeast, anti fungal, and that is okay. It's the only oil that I would recommend that you put on your scalp, but I recommend

that you put it on your scalp and then you wash it off approximately 45 minutes later with a thorough shampoo. So you know when you go to get a massage and they go, I do want to scalp massage and they want to put the oil in, would you decline to say no oil in the hair unless it's 100%. Yes, I put castor oil in my eyebrows because the Egyptians used to use it for hair grows.

What do you see your vibe on that? Okay, so castor oil is the one other one that may be, I mean, I would want to dilute it because obviously castor oil is like super thick. Your eyebrows, you know, they're short, so you can put a little bit in there, I'd say that that's fine.

Good answer because I have a skinny, confidential product. And she's like, "Thank God." That is castor oil with a little bit of a peptide, and I put it in my eyebrows every day. That's awesome. I mean, there's a lot of people injecting peptides.

I was going to ask you about peptides, certainly. So I mean, they're injecting them directly into the scalp. You can actually physically obviously inject them in systemically. There's a lot of good peptides that are very, very helpful for hair growth, so we actually have a new peptide shampoo that is also very supportive of obviously hair health.

So you want to treat the scalp. So if you're castor oil and obviously peptides are helping support the skin in the scalp or the eyebrow area, you're going to obviously grow better hair. But peptides specifically help grow hair. So there's three that we've identified that are probably the best.

And so basically copper peptides, so copper tripeptide 1, and then there's the bytininol

tripeptide 1 as well as the acetyl-terapeptide 3. So that's the kind of the outlier the acetyl-terapeptide 3. It's really for essentially building the hair follicle itself because it's supporting the matrix and the skin. So that really supports the other two, so you want to look for obviously all three of

those. Yeah, some people are saying that the copper is also good for skin and like combsat. Botox or whatever, or can counter Botox or support collagen build.

“So why if someone's not on a GLP one, why wouldn't they also do the copper peptide?”

I don't know how you would mix them because obviously you might have to use separate injections but you certainly could. Because it seems like if you're going to lose your hair on GLP one, you mix it with that. That would be helpful, but I don't think it would solve the inflammatory problem completely. It would just be mildly supportive.

Okay, here's another tangent, not controversial, but maybe somewhat and some frameworks. When should people consider potential hair replacement surgery and what do they need to be aware of a lot of people going in or not, like you hear about turkey and places like this. I have a friend that's like, gone whole ready to go over there and said, let's let me

get some research for your first buddy.

Yeah, what do people need to know? So I just interviewed basically that consider the top hair restoration surgeon of the decade and he actually introduced something about turkey that I didn't know about. He's like, look, if you fly all the way there, you know, you're getting mildly sleep to prime.

You go through what is a very, very rigorous procedure where you're getting thousands of tiny slits in your scalp as well as removing endless amounts of little organs and then putting them in those slits and then you get back on a plane and you're on a plane for 12 to 14 hours in the airport in an ultra dry environment. That is not good for your scalp and the overall well being of that hair and I didn't

even consider that. Let alone you just don't really don't know what you're getting. There are a handful of phenomenal surgeons in the US seek them out because that's probably your best.

“Why did turkey get such an endless enough, I don't know a lot about this such as you do?”

Why did they get such a strong reputation for hair restorative surgeries over there? Because it's three to five grand. That's a problem. It's a cost. It's like a bunch of wood.

Do you have to pay to go there? It's all included. And if you're my friend, you're going there, you're buying a couple bottles at the club. Oh, this friend is in my best care. You might be fine.

All different kinds of things who knows what you're going to end up with. But that's the only reason it was there a bunch of doctors over there that jumped in and started doing it. How did they get the reputation? Because I think a lot of men think that that's where you go for the 7th.

So I've actually been reached out to through Instagram for me to be an influencer. For some of these, you know, triggers. They have influencers for Turkey. Oh, yeah. And the amount of money that they're willing to pay you to promote it is ridiculous.

Well, they should just call me exactly. Be like, I went to Turkey. Look at my hairline. Yeah. It's not necessary.

I'm not just kidding. Unless the price is right. All right. Keep going. But so realistically, you don't put yourself through that.

Go. I mean, again, there's a really, really good surgeons here. If you are at the point of no return, you want that full head of hair. So get the 8,000 graphs that's going to take two sessions here in the US rather than just

overnight that doesn't seem possible. What's a red flag if somebody is taking a consultation here or somewhere else that they should be aware of. That's a good question. So you want to meet with the surgeon.

So the surgeon is hopefully the one doing the actual surgery itself. When you're doing a zoom call and they say you're a great candidate, we're going to have the best result for you possible and then you get on a plane and you fly however long

to turkey and you never meet the surgeon before they start actually knowing what you

want done. That's a red flag. So you want to meet with that surgeon and make sure they're the best and make sure they're doing the procedure and they're going to be held accountable for the result. When you decided to grow your own hair and you said you were losing hair, what did the

tangible steps that you took to get this head of hair because if you guys are watching YouTube, you have a great head of hair.

“Yeah, it's been a real pain in the ass, honestly.”

So keeping a full head of hair and my situation, I have an underlying genetic predisposition. I have two different types of hair loss. I have diffuse L. P. Sheriata and I have a androgynetic L. P. Shia. I didn't know that I had these first starting out but I was experimenting with so many different things and so I ended up using laser.

I ended up obviously using different supplements and finding out sort of through trial and error what worked for me. But when I was applying this to my clients, like after I obviously grew my hair back and then I opened a clinic, I found out real fast that there is no one-size-fits-all. And what we did back in the day is we would give everybody a full supplement line anti-DHT,

basically full sort of a hair skin and nails but on steroids and then also EFA.

So it's such a fatty acid, it's great for your hair and then we would use scalp massages and we would use laser and then we were using monoxid on acelic acid and retinoc acid. It was a great combination of things. So that worked for about 80%. 20% had mild to no result.

Some people got worse so then I had to figure that out over the last, you know, 15 plus years to invent new things to fix them. If someone's hairline is receding male or female, what can they do on the hairline to fix that? So if your hairline is receding, the highest probability is it's a DHT related. So you want to suppress DHT.

So you want to use something that is going to control that conversion of testosterone to die-hydro-testosterone. There are medications out there like finasteride, so that's one option, could come along with side effects. Other items that you can use like we have a DHT blocker max which essentially has a

clinically proven version of sub-emoto which helps control that without the side effects. So you need something topically like monoxidil. If you don't want to use monoxidil because that can have side effects as well, you want to control the environment by decreasing inflammation. So you want to do an internal, like again, whatever it is, DHT blocker max are finasteride

and then a topical application direct to the area.

“And then also if you want to really pump up results, that's when you use laser.”

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It starts with an app. Oh monoxidil? Everyone's using this. What is a explain this to me? Okay, so monoxidil's been around forever.

So now what's happening is your people are consuming oral monoxidil. So monoxidil, do you guys remember Rogan? Yeah. Okay, so Rogan. So that's what monoxidil is.

Rogan is 5% monoxidil and you apply that directly to the scalp. Well that came from a blood pressure drug that was accidentally growing people's hair during the clinical trial back in like the late 70s and early 80s. So now people go, well why don't we just go back and do that even though I don't have a blood pressure issue.

So they're basically micro dosing monoxidil.

So rather than using 10 milligrams or 20 milligrams, they're using 1.25 or, you know, basically 2.5 max, problem is is that it only stimulates whether you're using it topically or internally the acceleration of basically the hair follicle itself, but if you still have DHT, if you still have nutritional problems, it's not going to do anything for you.

It's a great stack like so if you do minimize all the things going on internally and then you use monoxidil topically or orally, that's a great enhancement. You can actually use that alongside laser, you can use it alongside peptides.

“So but it has its place kind of like cardio and weight training, like what's your goal?”

So it's just an enhancement to help rehabilitate your hair. What's the side effects of it? So the side effects if you're using it orally, heart palpitations, lightheadedness, low blood pressure. So you can have obviously swelling in the ankles, swelling in the hands, you know, sometimes

the, if you're using it topically, use propylene glycol, a lot because it's a great solvent. That will end up creating contact dermatitis, some standard stuff. So it's like, yeah, I know what I mean, there's trade off to everything. So I get a wig, I mean, but then you've got to go and get the wig done and all the rest

of it. Weight lifting and working out. What do your thoughts on creatine as it relates to hair loss is that true? Is it not true? Is it situational?

So back in the day, I don't know if you guys, I, when I went to an all guys millis, very school that a lot of working out, you know, that was back when you did 25 grams to load 10 grams daily thereafter. Back then, it was more of a problem. Now, obviously it's more concentrated, it's cleaner.

I think it really depends on the person.

“You need to obviously make sure that you're getting the right nutrients so that the creatine”

does not interfere with any, you know, any kidney function or something along those lines. So as long as you're healthy, I think it's fine. Someone told me that you have to use creatine from Germany instead of China, Jenna from Agent Natore. She said that it's better to use it from Germany because it's sourced differently.

I would agree with that 100%. The Germans have actually a phenomenal standard for, yeah, making all types of nutritional supplements. It's extremely expensive to manufacture there and their standards.

Even to get basically, you know, selling in that environment have to meet, you know, all

these standards. And then, Tis is from Germany, and I just ordered the creatine so use code skinny. So there you go. But this is a real tangent, but I'm glad you brought it up. I think creatine gets a bad name because of the way that guys, like ourselves, used to

abuse it back in the day because I was saying, same camp, you'd be taking like 30, 35 grams of creatine a day and you get the bloating in the hair and all the, but now, you know, because she was asked me that, and I was listening, you're taking five grams of creatine a day. Like, it's, yeah, it's not going to have any better, but it's cleaner and more concentrated. Yeah.

Great hair. Great. People, I can't fix that. It can't fix that. Okay.

What is the cause? Is it genetic? I see mine coming in, and I, you know, I don't think I can fix it either, but what do you, what do you do? You've been interested in that.

But so just that potentially you can reverse some of it. Yeah. So you definitely can reverse some of it. There's these little pockets of melanin stem cells, right at the bowl to the hair follicle. Then those get reduced, and they start to just withdrawal.

Then if you do something, copper peptides are a great one, so you can do it systemically. You can do it topically. That will help, you know, moderately reverse it. Demidex, follicular, I'm a little tiny parasite, well, actually feed off of that stem cell

bulge and will minimize the amount of stem cells being pushed into the basically melanin.

And that itself can be minimized by killing the damage and having good scalp hygiene. So I'd say scalp hygiene, copper peptides, those are the only things that I actually see work. Why do some people gray earlier than others stress, stress, and genetics?

I, again, I have an underlying condition. I ended up having a variety of health issues in the last like 18 months. My hair probably doubled in gray because of it, but, you know, you earn your gray sometimes. Yeah. Postpartum.

Yes. Talk to us about postpartum hair loss and what we can do to combat it. So I, I have helped many, many women with postpartum hair loss.

You want to go into basically being pregnant and making sure that you have all of the

right nutrients scientifically with blood work, make sure that you have the five kidney nutrients in your blood, very, very abundant, which are so zinc vitamin D3, Faradine, full rate B12. You want to have the proper levels. So my app actually, you can take a picture of your blood tests and it will tell you

if your levels are proper or not. Faradine. So Faradine is your iron storage protein. Okay. Okay.

So if you, again, I mean, even if I have a lot of women who are postmenopausal or perimenopausal and their, their, you know, their menstruation is off their, they're having more frequent cycles or losing more blood and they're doing a lot of working out. So your body is breaking down your muscular tissue and needs more iron plus you're losing more blood.

You're fared into pleats.

Young women who are basically limiting animal protein and they are having a period

for the first time, they are going to lose hair. So if you have young women who are losing hair, it's most likely due to fared in. So you want to make sure that nutrients good.

“You have to protect yourself from the telogen of fluvium shed that happens immediately following”

childbirth. Your body just grew a human, right? Like I mean, this is a crazy task to undergo. And then as soon as you have this baby, your hormone shift within days. So you have to minimize that.

You can protect yourself topically. You can use something like a black, ho-hush, tincture, topically, which will help mask the estrogen receptors. Obviously you don't want to handle your child immediately after handling the liquid. But that can help prevent that.

But also making sure your D3 and fared in are extremely important because your body is nutrient deficient after giving birth and growing a human. You keep saying fared tint. Why are you calling iron fared tint? What is it?

It's the store. Yeah, iron storage protein. So there's serum iron. Okay.

So that's the iron floating around on your blood that's basically like building tissue, right?

It's building hemoglobin. The fared in is your iron reserves. So it's a little protein that basically activates when your iron gets low. Your body knows when your fared in is getting low. And it will start going, I don't have enough serum iron or enough savings to pay my bills.

So I'm going to start decreasing my spending. The easy way to do that is by not obviously making a ton of hair. Is there a brand that you like or do not have a specific brand? There's a product called derma iron. So derma iron specifically formulated for this particular situation.

It has marine collagen in it. It also has fared spike like anate. And this is a highly absorbable form of iron that is not going to leave you constipated.

“And what about, I, I, that's what's annoying about it.”

What about the D, H, A, you keep, you keep saying it's the D, H, T, D, H, T, yes. And what's that brand? So D, H, T, again, advanced psychology. There's two forms of this. There's one that's more of a DHT blocker with immune support.

And then there's a DHT blocker maximum strength, which is a single soft gel, lot of clinical backing. That's what you do to just minimize the DHT conversion. Is there a brand that you like? Advanced psychology.

And also it's your brand. It's my rant. Oh. The reason I do what I do is I spent 17 years literally across the dust from somebody helping them grow hair back, watching their, their hair grow under the microscope every six weeks

with thousands and thousands of people. A list of celebrities that we see all the time. I've worked with them to help get their hair back because no one was able to fix this. And I had to develop new products to support holes in the, the marketplace that just didn't have products to fill.

Okay. So if someone's listening and all they want to do is grow more hair and fix their scalp,

“what are the three things that you suggest that they do right now today?”

But if they genetically have been the same, and there's essentially no change in their hair from when they went through puberty to now, low level laser therapy, just a little bit. 10 minutes. Once a week would be great, no more than 80 diodes using a little bit of a peptide shampoo.

So like the hair stem peptide shampoo, that's going to be supportive. And that will help most people who have no underlying condition. But if there is some reduction in overall volume, get your blood tests. Go ahead and get your vitamin D3 tested and you're ferried in at the very least.

get on some probiotics and you need to probably treat that.

Wow.

“I learned a lot in this episode where can everyone find you to work with you and to say hello?”

I'm all over YouTube and Instagram, so William Gonnett's tri-collegeist.

That handle, you can find me pretty much anywhere.

“I have a podcast, so the tri-collegeist podcast, which also has a website where you can go”

to thetricologist.com.

I can do your consultation, but I know obviously my brand is advanced tri-collegey products.

Thank you, William.