#644 - Bryan Johnson

When it comes to soda, are you really picking a zero sugar cola that you actually prefer,

“or are you just settling for what you've always had?”

That's the question. And I'll say this. When it comes to taste, I find that nothing beats Pepsi zero sugar. But you don't just have to take my word for it, that would be ridiculous. Pepsi has been doing blind taste tests for years, no labels, no brand names, just taste.

And last year they brought back the Pepsi challenge, and the results were clear, 66% of people agreed and said that Pepsi zero sugar tastes better than Coca-Cola zero sugar. In fact, Pepsi zero sugar one in every market they tested. So if you're grabbing a zero sugar soda, go with the one people keep choosing when taste is the only thing that matters.

Go out and try Pepsi zero sugar today, let your taste decide. Today's guest is a longevity expert. He's a health advocate.

He's basically his own guinea pig.

He's kind of the doctor and Frankenstein in a way. He's an entrepreneur. He's been experimenting on himself, trying to beat the final chapter, the coffin. Yep. He wants to live forever.

We're going to learn about it.

“I'm grateful to have a conversation today, which we got to do quickly because I think”

he's got to be in bed at like 4 p.m. I'm very happy that he's here. Today's guest is Mr. Brian Johnson. Yeah, this lemon water dude, I drink this a lot. I hear that it's good for inflammation and I do a lot of fasting and so that's been

something that on a fast I will have this a certain amount. I like the chunks of ginger, man, that's solid. Did you chew on those? No. Yeah, you done that?

No. It's good. Is that a thing chewing on ginger chunks? Yeah. Wow.

Never even thought of that.

Do you know exactly what it does? You just feel the vibes of it. Yeah, it's very strong vibe, so yeah. So that's real worth the end. Let me give you a punch in the face, ginger to something similar.

Maybe I'll throw one in the hole. You feel better after doing it though? I just feel like on on I have a plan and then sticking to it. Yeah, so much of life is like that. If you're kind of that matter for work, it's like a thing, it's structured, planned, kind

of the thing. Yeah, well it starts to give me a little bit of integrity to myself, you know, and it becomes kind of a pattern.

“That's been one of the toughest things I think for me, and I would guess probably for”

most people is just starting a pattern sometimes, you know, I feel like that's kind of been one of the things. Then it keeps you from the negative patterns. Yeah, well, it's like, well, if I know if I have this to do tomorrow and it's a positive thing, then since it's like if there's something negative the night before, I'm like,

I can't do it. I already have a commitment, you know, yeah, yeah. But it has been tough, I go in sports where sometimes it's better than others, but honoring like commitments to myself, having that in, you know, and just building that integrity that I know I'm going to be here for myself every day, that's been a challenge for me.

It's gotten better over time, but it's been a tough, that's been, probably we have one of my tougher things. I would imagine it might be for most for a lot of folks. Yeah, like the disconnect between like what you want to do, and then what you actually do, which is like the human condition is like what our existence is defined by, and

like how big is that divide? Probably determines if you're happy or not in life. Hmm. Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, that's one of the things that I think about the most is how far away am I from

what I would like to be doing, what my behaviors would like to be. Yeah. Were you out now in life? Like, I mean, you've got through various stages. How would you assess now?

I think like with work and things like that have been good, that stuff has been good. I think, you know, on the wellness side of like, probably emotional wellness, you know, suffer with like, I've dealt with like a lot of like a connectivity disorders like relationships stuff, commitment, you know, like probably wishing I was making better choices with my dating and social life at times.

And, you know, sometimes if someone will show interest, I'll kind of, I'll have to see what's there. Whereas, if I know it's not even a good fit, you know, so that's probably been one of the tougher things. It's probably been my emotional addictive behavior.

Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I, I, because I'm newly in a partnership, the best relationship of my life. Really? Together for a couple years now, and man, it is like, I mean, it is the single thing in

tough.

“And especially when they tip to acrimony, what does acrimony mean?”

Just like when it's, uh, when it's a negative state, you know, when there's like bickering and like finding fault and trying to correct and the inability to resolve conflict, when

there's a negative vibe and it just kind of persists in this low level where it's always

unsettled, there's just nothing worse. I mean, that's true when business relationships is true and personal relationship friendships all kinds. And like what I have now is just so good. Let's go.

Yeah. Yeah. So I feel you. And without it, it, um, it's tough to be alone, you know, it's tough to be like trying to date build relationships and I'll work out and go to the next one.

It's tiring to like repeat that again and again. Yeah. Yeah. I think that is it. That's definitely true.

And then it's like, you start to compartmentalize things. Okay. Well, I'll just go on a date here. Or I'll just, you know, have this part of my, um, relationship or intimacy here. And it's like, you know, and that's not, uh, that's not the healthiest way to operate either.

Um, but congratulations. You, yeah. They just show your lady right there. Yeah. It's Kate Tolo.

Oh. Beautiful lady, man. You guys are smiling in that pitch. Oh, man. We, we have so much fun together.

I mean, we, it's like, I'd get Terry just even talking about it. We laugh, um, play is just so good. Yes. She really does something for you. She does, man.

Like, you know, like, I was, um, I wrote this up online. I was thinking, I'm a big fan of Ernest Shockelton. And he was just said, uh, explore. Yeah. Exactly.

So he did the, the trends, uh, and Arctic expedition.

He was trying to go, pulled, uh, you know, shorter shore for the first time.

Yeah. So from top to bottom, uh, just down to the south pole from like one side to the other side. Okay. Just at the south pole. Yeah.

So they got into, they got the ship up prepared. They got all their materials, you know, like enough food and materials for the entire duration. They get stuck in the ice before they even get there early winter. And then the entire book is about this insane survival story.

Like, what they went through and not a single man is crew died. But when you read what he went through, it's just unimaginable that they were able to endure these kinds of things. And I know this is like, it's a too dramatic of a comparison, but there was some similarities. I was thinking before, like, what does it feel like to not have deep companionship in my

life where I've had relationships and they weren't good, right? They ended up being bad. And then having something that is good, if felt like I'm sure what Shockelton and his crew felt like, putting their feet on land after being a drift in the ocean for, you know, I don't know what the total duration of times, maybe a year.

But just like stable, sturdy, solid, you know, instead of like, what's happening today, what do I have to deal with is my life at risk. Like, just all the emotional whiplash you get and like, challenge yourself. And when you're by yourself, it's also harder to self-regulate. It's harder to call myself down.

It's nice when someone else is there that kind of be like a, oh, get a hug. Yeah, exactly. 100%.

“That's how she looked the other day, I was, I saw my friend in L.A. and I got a hug and”

she just kind of gave me like a, she gave me a nice hug and then I was like, I'm going to stay in this hug. Yeah, it's like, you can just, yeah, like throw in my phone. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.

So like, was she like a 10 out of 10 hugger? She, you know what? She surprised me because, but yeah, she got, she got a good hug on her. That's for sure. You know, some people are just like gifted huggers.

They, right, they just know how to like bring it in and like somehow the arm from the chest and like the whole thing just fits like a puzzle piece. Yeah, like even like a lot of times, yeah, we talked about before like a grandmother who hugged you so well. Yeah.

Sometimes, yeah, I've like, I've always kind of, I guess, been that, I'll do the one

arm hug. I hug a lot though. I hug a lot. I think someone's a catch with people off guard before like, yeah, what's good on man?

Yeah. I don't just want this person, but open up a hug bank, you know what they should do. The places where they had paid phones before, they should have somebody's been there

“put a quarter in their pocket and they got a hug, you know?”

It's like one of the most underappreciated things. Yeah, relaunched the hug. I think they got, where I think we're ready for it. Brian Johnson, thanks for coming in, man. Yeah, thanks a lot.

Yeah, I was going to see you. It's a pleasure. I think you're different than maybe what I seem like you. I thought you would seem a little bit more like a robot. You know, I get that so much.

I mean, I've had several people think, you know, approached me like, are you a, you know, like really believing, that's the case. So I think I am robotic. I think I'm somewhere neurodivergent in some areas. So I think people are just confused by me generally.

So I understand that. Like, yeah, that was my thought, but it's you seem way more normal than that. Like, just like a regular dude who's been like, you know, doing wild shit with this blood, you know, like, you know, you seem just more like a chill ass kind of Dracula type

I think I've expected somebody that seemed to be honest to have, like, more of a sense

of, and this is just a wild generalization, and this is probably not the best word, but more of like an autism to them. Yeah. And I, yeah, I didn't get that at all. It just got like a warm guy who seems like a lot more engaging than other people

I've met who I've thought some of the things about. Yeah, yeah. It's just hiding. It will manifest in a few minutes.

“Yeah, that's what I was saying, but it's just a bubble-up dude.”

Yeah, that's right. You're keeper whoever's operating you on the app that's probably, yeah, it turns up. Yeah. I'm a mask, it's slowly such a slipping and it's like, oh, yeah, like your database is

showing it. Yeah. Exactly. So just our viewers know, and so many people know about you now, man, there's so many clips you out there.

You kind of, you're kind of this astronaut that hasn't left the planet in a way, kind of, because it's like, you know, you're kind of using yourself as an experiment. That's what it seems. You know, you're life-maxing, that's what people say. Can you just explain to us kind of what your general sort of goal is or what your motive

has been? Yeah. So let's say here's an example for you in 1870, the big talk of the town was there was this divide over this guy who had ideas that the reason for ideas, yeah, around the reason that people were getting sick and dying is because of these microscopic objects called bacteria.

And half the town was like, that's stupid as fuck. What are you talking about?

“The other half was like, honestly, that could be legit.”

Now, like, they didn't have the ability to see these microscopic objects. Turned out, it's true. These microscopic objects are called bacteria, right? They can cause infection. So if you don't wash your hands in between surgery or when you're maintaining hygiene

practices, you get infection and risk, increase your risk of dying. And so that's the kind of example where a new idea showed up, it was seen as crazy. And eventually it turned out to be true. And now today, like, oh, of course, like that happens every year, every year. Exactly.

And so the idea I'm basically suggesting to the world is that we've reached a point of humans

on the planet where we may not die. Now that sounds that shit crazy. Whereas in we can live forever, not even forever, right? Because it's a kind of a concept we understand, it's just that we might be able to extend our life spans to horizons where we can't really imagine, for example, like 150, 200, 500,

a thousand, like some number we don't even know that breaks our brains. So it's just not like a 70 year expectancy, right? It's something much longer. And it could be the case that as our life spans are extended, they get longer and longer and longer and longer.

And longer, we can't quite see the end horizon.

“So that's what I'm suggesting is, we are at that point with technology.”

We may be the first generations of humans who don't die. Now, that's the case, everything changes. And so that's what I've been trying to do is to say that if that is the case, how does a human behave? What do they do?

And so that's the whole, that's why it's so controversial is because you take status quo. And it's like, if we're all going to die anyways, we'll grow your mod as well, right? Like, do all this stuff people do today, right? Drink PBR, whatever, for it, you know, exactly. Yeah, knock up some woman or man now, I think you can even knock up, you're like, what's

happening? But I see we're saying, so if you say, if you got to the finish line and they're like, oh, you can't cross the finish line anymore, you're like, oh, if I didn't know in that, I would have ran the race. Exactly.

So differently. Exactly. Or back in 1990. Or what are you taking my time along the race? Just standing there at the finish line, decrepit or just like aftermarket pieces and stuff.

Yeah. And I would have done it differently. That's right.

So like right now, like you basically, if everybody dies, then you're playing a game

of Yolo. And so then your game of Yolo is like, okay, what am I willing to, well, I'm willing to trade life for what? And so for example, the world I came from, entrepreneurship, the playbook is you don't sleep, you don't take care of your health, you run yourself for it, you try very hard

to make a whole bunch of money. But in doing that, you burn yourself to a crisp. Yeah. Right. And then you end up on your like fat, you're like 40 years older than when you started.

Your family's falling apart, you're a crisp, or you don't have one. Exactly. But you're just burnt to a crisp. That's what happened to me. And so you basically say, I'm willing to trade life for this money, because there's

an idea of if you have money, then you get blank. And so you're making this explicit trade off. I'm willing to trade my conscious existence for money. And I'm saying that trade no longer makes sense, and no longer makes sense to die for something like that.

Now, we all have like, practical things, we need to pay our bills and stuff like that. But I'm trying to say, we're a society that is built a society of die, and I'm working on, don't die as the new way of being humans. So that's like the gist of it. But do you think it's easier to say that once you have some money and once you have a place

been able to switch that mindset before having-- because then you got a company and

you got to sold it for a great deal of money and congratulations. Thanks. And yeah, that's the American dream.

“But do you think you would have been able to have that same mindset before?”

Because that mindset before is like, yeah, grind, get this money. Everything will be good. And it kind of is nice, in some ways, because there's a goal there. Yeah, do you think you could have had it before or is it easier to have now? Yeah.

I mean, there's two parts. This one is I'm saying that like fast food companies like McDonald's and Wendy's their evil. They use science to make food, that it digs you to their food. Right?

They're building addiction. For sure. Social media algorithms. They're building addiction. Right?

They're building addiction. Pray upon individuals with the best science and technology possible and extract from them life for profit.

And so first of all, the observation I'm saying is, hey, companies stop being evil.

I don't use your power to make people addicted to make them, you know, to take their life from them. And then, too, it's-- I don't want to blame people. Because I know that's-- it's easy for me to say this once I've been on the other side. So one I'm just trying to say, hey, this is fucked up.

Right? Number two is, I try to be a really positive role in people's lives to say, like, if you're ambitious and you do want to make a whole bunch of money, for example, here's a playbook. The idea that you're better off working 18 hours a day and sleeping for is just scientifically wrong.

Oh, I got it. Right? So like, if you're going to work really hard, make sure you get eight hours to sleep. Make sure you do a little bit of exercise, eat well.

“But you're not going to be doing yourself a favor if you're eating trash, right?”

Not sleeping well and not working out. Like, make sure, for an engineer, it means like, nobody wants to write shitty code. If you don't take care of yourself, you are shitty code. So like, don't be shitty code and try to build life. And so those are two things.

But I want to be very clear, like, I'm not blaming people. We're just living a fucking good sounds like that. We live in a fucked up society. Yeah. And I'm trying to call attention to the fact that, like, the system you're playing

in is not a good one. And it's heavily stacked against people. Yeah. Especially if there's a lot of things where it is addiction, like, oh, they know there's so much information now of how to get it, you addicted down to the molecule down to

like the moment of what you're looking out on your phone. Yeah. That it really is a war. It's a battle for your preservation. It's like, it used to be that, you know, the man had to wake up and he was, he had

to know where the predator was, where the apex predators are. Yeah. The predators are, you know, they're in our homes, they're in our hands. And it really is. It's still a battle.

And that is a battle. It's like, if you want to take it on. And then some days and moments and some people's lives, like, you know, I don't really want to take that battle on. And that's kind of okay, too.

But I think knowing that the battle is there is pretty. At least makes it that all the cards are on the table. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that you recently used it a social media fast, right?

Yeah, I did. Yeah. What was that like? Yeah. I saw it first.

I, I love social media. I think it's so much fun. Like we have great stuff on X, it's like you can't even scroll through X without finding something that's great from Brian Johnson. And a lot of it's really great information, too.

Oh, here's the post right. I did a 40 hour and then a 70 hour social media fast. I've come to believe that social media is pollution. Yeah.

So first of all, you know, in watching your Netflix specials, like what I, what I love about

watching that is you can say anything, right? Like the shit you talk about is so, is so unhinged. Like literally there's like no, I, maybe if I'm a chair and we're like probably shouldn't include that one, but like I couldn't detect it. Oh, yeah.

“I like to say and shit and so that's what you're supposed to be able to do exactly.”

So like what I love about that is the elbow room you have, right? There's like when you look at existence, you say like my goals entertain you. And I have all this open space. But then when people don't have that, when you, when you have comedy is the outlet and you're playing in society, people sit in a very narrow box.

They feel like they can only say certain things if they step outside that, they get punished by the tribe. Right? Like, for whatever reason. And so what I love about social media is it just has enabled me to create elbow room.

Like I posted nudes of myself, you know, like we did the blood, the plasma transfers. Like we, we basically have done enough thing. I didn't, I did magic mushrooms on a livestream. Yeah. That's what really made me think, oh, I really want to talk to this guy now because he's

going into other realms. Yeah. And before we get into some of that, what were some of the findings from the social media fast? Or do you think it was long enough to notice anything?

It was honestly, it was kind of life changing.

long.

And the science behind this is when you're engaged in social media, you basically have dopamine

dysregulation. Right. Like you're in this addiction state and you don't realize it, but it's actually creating all kinds of harm and then you engage with social media to feel normal again. And then once you pull out of it and you have that break, you kind of get your out of

the spell. You don't hypnotize anymore. And then you get to feel it for what it is. So now that I pull up the feed, it feels toxic like it feels like I've had a fast food meal or like I've had, I'm in a second hand room of second hand smoke or like it just

feels so bad and I guess that I pay attention to these feelings because over the past five years I've been doing like hundreds of experiments to my body like what things make my body rejuvenate and what things make my body die. So I have this intuition I've built and now when I go into social media, it literally feels like death.

And so it's complicated though because I love social media. I love to post, I love to play, I love to interact, but also when I get on it's like I'm like, no, this is not good. So honestly, it's complicated. I don't know what to do.

Yeah, there's a thing I noticed if I've taken mushrooms before and you'll look at your phone, it's like, oh, get that away from me. You feel it, right? Yes. It's like, oh, that's not real.

That's the most unnatural thing. Like what is that? Yeah, it feels like a kryptonite or if I've done Ayahuasca bitter and Ayahuasca and you're coming in and I see my phone or I'll get home and turn on the TV and I'm like, oh, get that thing away from me.

That is something that's just resonating, like something dark. Yeah, and it's like, no, interesting, like in those moments when you feel sober, it's like you do, you can viscerly feel it. Yeah. But then what you get in there and you kind of play around for a while, you don't, you lose

that sensitivity and you feel normal again.

“But yeah, it's, I think, and so what's been resonating is that I've been, so I posted”

this on social, I said, because a lot of people think that social media is like a vice or like a, you know, a bad habit, but I reframed it and said, actually, I think it's a pollution. It's like, microplastics or lead in the pipes or the spestals in the wall or like, you know, lead in the gasoline, I think it really is like a societal pollution.

It accumulates in the body, it creates low-glated, low-grade information and I've been

sharing this so many people are like, I feel this, but the problem is you can't, like,

telling someone to turn it off is like, telling someone to not breathe cold smoke in London in the 19th century. Yeah. Yeah. You can't do it.

Or like, you know, if there's, if there's water pollution, like the solution for water pollution in the 19th century was not to say, don't drink water, it was like, filled to the water. Right. So I think the solution here is, like, I proposed this that if people could build AI to

basically create a layer of protection between me and the internet, let me in the social feed, extract out all the performative metrics, extract out all the garbage, all the flop and then give me the goodness, but I want someone to, like, it'd be cool if someone could build social media into a longevity therapy versus, like, a actually have to figure out. Oh, once you were saying, like, making it a long, slow fire that has, like, all some,

a mix of things. Like, help me, when I engage with it, I want to feel good. I want to feel like I've drink, like, you know, lemon water and ginger, right, as opposed to, like, having a couple of coax. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Frank keeps a five hour energy drinking his sock. Yeah.

I know. This is the thing. This is, like, right, people pound like two to three to four a day, like, between, you know, 400 and 800 milligrams of caffeine, and they, like, on top of medaphonyler or something, you know, so it's like, and kids are doing it.

“Kids will get an energy drink before school, like, what are you, do your grades are bad?”

Yeah. It's not even performing. Yeah. What are you doing? Yeah.

Yeah. I got to get you another cell, see us or something? Um, uh, oh, it says, hey, social media users visually decline one or two points in attractiveness, I said, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

I saw you said something that social media even can make us ugly or, yeah, it does. This is the post, really. Yeah. Yeah.

This is good science, because like, when you engage heavily in social media, you're basically,

you have higher depression, higher anxiety, you've got more inflammation, you sleep more poorly. All things that when the body is in that condition, you just look worse. So yeah. So heavy social media users lose at least a point or two on the attractiveness scale.

Like you may go from a 7 to a 5. So yeah, it does legitimately affect parents. Yeah.

“And I think everybody kind of starts at an eight.”

That's what I think. If you brush your teeth, you're right. Yeah. You're right. And you're nice.

You're like 8.5. And you give a good hug. You're like nine. You're already halfway there. Yeah.

And then the rest is just the Lord. If they were tens, wow, that's kind of, yeah, because I, this is interesting because

I'll say to people, "Hey, I'm going to go into my phone for a second."

Right? So it's almost like, I'm letting you, it's almost like, "Yeah, I'm going to have a cigarette." It's like the same sort of thing. And then now it's gotten to me, so I'm just so sick of, so watching social, it's just

like, I'll look at a few things and it's just like, "Oh, this isn't out. This isn't doing anything anymore." That's started the thing, too, is I don't even, this doesn't feel like it's doing anything anymore. Yeah.

And then that the algorithm that you know, somebody's behind it kind of queuing up what is next, it doesn't leave that as much of a whimsicalness about it. Yeah. That's right. Somewhere over the rainbow, there's a moon.

I made up that second part, but what I want to tell you about is, when I want to add some bit coin to my portfolio, moon pay is the first app I reach for.

“Because you don't need to buy a full coin, that's what I love.”

And the whole process is clean, simple, and easy to understand, moon pay has also been a major partner of this show. And I've actually chosen to take my compensation from them in Bitcoin. Yep, that Bitcoin will live in my personal moon pay wallet, and it's fully in my control. No one else has access to it, except more, more, more, more.

With a US dollar constantly moving up and down, I think this is a smart way for me to diversify a bit, and potentially get more long-term value out of the partnership.

Just keep in mind, even though moon pay makes it easy to buy crypto, you should always

do your own research and understand what you're getting into. So can be volatile, and there's always the possibility of losing money. Moon pay is a tool to facilitate your transactions, not a source of financial advice. Trade responsibly. I'll be the first to tell you that when it comes to investing, or when it has come to

investing, I was always afraid. I was always afraid to get into the market. You know, I just didn't know when to put my money, and I didn't have enough information.

“And I didn't even know if I had enough to invest.”

So many people are focused on where their money is today. A-corns is the financial wellness app that cares about where your money is going tomorrow. And with the A-corns potential screen, you can find out what your money is capable of. A-corns is easy. You can sign up in minutes and start automatically investing your spare money.

Even if all you've got is spare change, even if you just got that jungle on you.

To sign up now and join the over 14 million all-time customers who have already saved and

invested $27 billion with A-corns. Plus A-corns will boost your new account with a $20 bonus investment, offer available at acorns.com/theo. That's ACO-R-N-S.com/T-H-E-O to get your $20 bonus investment today. From zinc conditions apply, C-A-Corns.com/terms-for-D-Tales.

Pay 9-clinitors for competition provides incentive to positively promote A-Corns to your compensation provided. Potential sub-to-variance factors such as customer's accounts, age and investment settings, does not include A-Corns fees, results do not predict or represent the performance of any A-Corns portfolio.

Investors will very investing involves risk, A-Corns advisors, LLC, and S-E-C-R-R invest in the advisor. The importance of A-Corns.com/theo. Oh, yeah. I saw this one tweet that's just getting a lot of attention that I saw.

Mobile phones short video use is negatively impacts attention functions. Yeah. And then the e.g. study says, one thing I do feel like is that there should be accountability for whoever is making the algorithms, like, because there's been kids who get affected and then they watch stuff and then they might consider self-harm, right?

Yeah. Well, people who you're curious about one video, but then it serves you seven others. And now you have a strong take about a group or about a person or anything. So it's like shouldn't the creator of the algorithm? Like if I make something and I give it to you and I know it's bad and poisonous, there

“should be, you should be somewhat accountable.”

It feels like I know there's just now a court case or isn't Zuckaburg just in court? Yeah. Yeah, I know. There we go. Mark Zuckerberg grilled about underage Instagram users social media addiction during

landmark trial. In his first time testifying about child safety in front of a jury, Zuckaburg said the company does not seek to make Instagram addictive to younger users, pushing back against claims that the social media app is designed to be harmful to children. I'm focused on meeting a community that is sustainable.

If you do something that's not good for people, maybe they'll spend more time short-term. But if they're not happy with it, they're not going to use it over time. I'm not trying to maximize the amount of time people spend every month. Yeah, this is why I was saying that I wanted to reframe because when people talk about social media, typically the blame is on the person.

The person spends too much time on social media, right?

And when you reframe this, you say actually social media is a pollutant. It's like some company manufacturing cigarettes or a spestus or lead or like when you reframe it that way, it's what you said is this is a pollutant driving society that it is making society depressed, anxious, loose, focus, having all sorts of negative psychological implications. When you reframe it that way, it changes the blame from the individual to like you can't

reasonably expect people to want to be part of the tribe, to want to be part of a friend group and then put them in a system like the, it's like lead and pipes. Water is in the pipes, but also lead is too.

So it's like you can't, the solution is not to tell people to get off the phone.

You have to do some kind of filtering or something because it's poisonous right now.

“Yeah, I think it's great to say it, yeah, that it's a pollutant, right?”

And people say we'll just get off your phone, but our society has gotten in the place where it is on our phone, we live in an electronic society and a digital age. So yeah, if you have a neighbor next door who is a company that's just like blowing like, you know, those smoke stacks that they never, that they never had any governors on and they were just pouring horrible smoke into the air, those were held liable.

So it makes sense that these would be two. The case filed in Los Angeles Superior Court involves over 1,600 plaintiffs including families and school districts suing meta, YouTube, which is TikTok and snap. KGM claims features like infinite scrolling, notifications, and beauty filters created addiction, exacerbating body image depression into a subtle thoughts.

Yeah, some of the key moments like we're denied meta aims to addict youth, stating

his focuses on a sustainable community where unhappy users won't stay long term, grilled

on underage users, and AR beauty filters despite internal concerns, he emphasized balancing free expression and well-being, saying you don't really build social media, unless you care about people being able to express themselves. I don't know if that's true anymore. You know?

The Europe feels like is in physics, there's this idea, it's like a phase transition. So when water is at 99 degrees Celsius, it's a solid, when it's 101, it's a vapor. So just a very small change, it's not gradual, just snaps at a phase transition. It feels to me like social media is heading towards a phase transition where there's like all this built up, all these are the problems that are over, like, about to go from 99C

to 101C and it just snaps and society is like, we can't, we can't do anymore, like it's too much. We're all fucking broken from this thing, it's like, it's got to stop and like, I don't think of, these things are cool because they don't happen gradually, but it just suddenly overnight.

So I would love that. If like, somehow there was a snap and we could all get back our sanity. Right. Like with Doug Boots, like when people were like, these are great and Tom Brady was wearing him then one day, people were like, done.

Yeah. Yeah. The shit's we hear. Yeah. People will be so relieved to not feel like, because right now, we're doing it right now with

a rule right now and said, on your phones won't even work on Saturday and Sunday, I think the entire world would exhale, a hundred percent, that, and it's also true like on like

“crying culture, where the expectations you have to work 20 hours a day.”

You've been fucking crying, it's like in this expectation. Your eyes open. I know. Keep looking at invoices. It's like, we're like driving ourselves insane as a species is like we're losing

our shit and like it's, it's right there in front of us and it's all these expectations

and if it would be, it would be amazing.

I love that. Like the phones don't work. Let's, let's celebrate. I think, and I think people would, I don't even work. Good.

I think one day if people take over a business or like, people like storm the capital, do storm team mobile, storm these towers and bring them down, free us from what this, it's digital chains. Yeah. Where we're locked.

You know, when people, when people are not with the tribe, they experience it as physical death. So we are evolved to live in a group of 150 people or less to be seen by the tribe. And when you're on social media, if you're not posting on social media, you're not seen by the tribe.

So it fills literally like death.

“That's why you can't just say like, don't be on your phone because you're, your body”

is like, am I dead to the tribe? Right. Do I even exist yet? You feel like that? Can I take a couple months off when people know do I exist?

What's really going on? So therefore you're forced into this performative existence of like, hey guys, I exist. Remember me, like, let me over here, like, remember, I'm part of the tribe. So it's such a violent and abusive relationship of this game that no one wants to play. I mean, it is fun.

Like, there's value to it. There's good information. Like, there's, I don't want to say there's not virtues to it.

Yeah, dude. Well, there's just things that I, you and Miss, bro, sitting there at home wondering if a chick thought about you or not? Yeah. Bro.

Yeah. What's the thing? Now you can just find out immediately. She's liking some of the dude you see that already married or whatever. But back in the day you couldn't do this, you just had to.

And you thought that she did, so you were like, hopeful and exciting, you would just, you would take care of yourself to the next time you saw her. But now you're just going to see something like, oh, she's out with Rick or whatever. So now I'm depressed, now I'm at home, now I'm not even going to get out of bed. You know, I think just those things.

And then the, also like the negative effects of just like, if you communicate with all

times, people all day it, then when you finally see like your spouse or your partner

at the end of the day, you're kind of burnt out sometimes, you know, your burnt out because you've had all this odd connection that's not real connection. But it's, it's some artificial connection. It's like if you've been eating free those all the way, and then you get to dinner, you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, I guess.

This looks so good. Yeah. Well, I'm just, I can't even have any right now. I'm already full of shit. So we, with this project, we have been, so basically, my project, my project don't die.

Oh, your project don't die. Yeah. So like basically, like the idea is if we are the first generation won't die, then the goal is like identify things that make you die and then don't do those things. So I try to eliminate them.

So what you're talking about at the end of the day, when you're like, I don't know what it is, but I just feel like shit, then it's so it's basically it's the stacking of all these things that make you die. For example, did you know this that when you walk into a fast food place like McDonald's,

“you have to smell the, you, you, you, right when you walk in, that is like second hand smoke.”

It's the aerosol, aerosolized oils. Yeah. So like, that's Ronald McDonald's colonel, man. It's just colonized. That's creepy.

That's creepy. That's creepy as fuck. Wow. Yeah, because you got that play place in the bag, oh my God, that is, that is, this dope, a coldly shit.

And think about that. It is, huh? So like that is one example. So we track 250 things in our society that make me die. And so when you go about your day with this project, yeah, with that exact, so you guys

track 250 things that make you die. Yeah.

So basically, but I started doing this, we said, okay, like I'll be the first generation

who won't die. Okay. Let's take that as a premise. So they hired a team of doctors and we got to work. So we went through all the scientific evidence.

We said, like, what does the scientific evidence say about longevity and things that make you die? And then I measured every organ of my body that I could. Like we would go through and say, what is the age? So I was 42 years old when we started.

“So I said, like, what is the biological age of my heart?”

Because your biological age can be different than your chronological age. Okay. So for example, like my ear, my left ear is age 64. Because I shot a lot of guns as a kid. So it was sent to loud music, so it's impaired.

So we measured all of my organs and said, like, here's my baseline. And then we got to work, like doing therapies and measurement. And so I became those measured person and human history. There's more data on my body than any human's ever lived. And so in doing that, we just found out, like, what kills the body?

You know, like, do microplastics harm the body? If so, how? You know, like, do just go in into fast food, like, aerosolized, does that? Like social media. And so when you really resonates when you say you go home, like, you don't know why

you feel like shit, but after doing this for years, I know why. It's like the stacking of all these things that society has done to make a profit. And then it's just like, you're the collateral damage. But it's like we've built a society of die. And that's what sucks about it.

So I never want to approach it to say, like, hey, you individual, like, you get off your phone.

You suck doing these things. It's like, the system's broken. Right. The whole about this moment is, if we do see this moment is, like, this is like 1870,

“bacteria is present, do we believe this crazy idea or not?”

Like this could be like, it would change everything. So, like, we transform ourselves as a society. Hmm. I love that idea because yeah, when you put it like that, it gives you more of a hope. It gives it more of like a, um, this, uh, universal type of thing that's going on.

And I feel that I feel like there's a lot of people questioning everything right now. Like, is this good for me? Why did I believe all these companies? Why did I believe that the government and the FDA and the EPA that they were looking out for me?

They, it's obvious now from so many trials and, um, and corporate, uh, interests that they weren't. You know, there's all these, there's all these things that, that none of that was happening. And so now it's back on us and what do we really want, right? Because we put the faith, I think a lot of people would put the faith in the hands of their

government. And, um, not entirely, but you would just assume that, oh, yeah, the food they're letting come into us into our lives, where we pay taxes to make sure there's an agency that overlooks

And then I think it's at the point now where people, that, that idea is totally spoiled. So where do we go from here?

“Are those powers going to try to, like, imprison us into the space, which also feels like”

it's going to, they're trying to, um, because you have, like, companies like Baron Monsanto, they're lobbying, you know, like trying to keep all these things in our food and, and make sure that people can't sue if they do get sick or is it going to be that there's some sort of a, of a revolution. Yeah.

Um, so I saw you just, you just have to travel to poor, um, your coffee into, and that was out of a paper cup into, hey, yeah, um, it's in the state of the steel, yeah. Okay. What is the cause of that? Because that's one thing a lot of people are thinking of, what's there's a lot of,

there's been a lot of discussion around microplastics, yeah, they're like, they're everywhere. They're closed, they're our food, like, so, um, we did this, uh, project, what we said, okay, can we measure microplastics in my body? And so we did a few things. Uh, one is we measured microplastics in my blood, and we measured microplastics in my

semen. Okay. And so, two distinct biological systems, and we want to look at semen because fertility is really important. It's like, because there was a few studies a show that, uh, 100% of tested males of tested

men in have microplastics in their balls, and they're semen.

And so we wanted to basically pose this question, could we do anything in life that would

lower my microplastic burden in my body in my blood, and all my semen? And so we did a few things. One is the cups they use for your hot coffee, they leech microplastics, they heat costs at leech in a microplastics. So when you're drinking that coffee, you're consuming microplastics.

And so we did that plus a whole bunch of other things to reduce it. And we dropped my microplastic burden by 87% in both blood and semen. And so that was a big win for us because no one in the world had ever demonstrated that, that you can look at both those things and look at their mediation. And the second thing we saw is we think that part of the reduction was from the things

we did like removing plastic cups, you know, plastic cutting boards, I try to remove plastic from the house, then also dry sauna within dry sauna was potentially, we're not sure, potentially the cause of reducing microplastics in the body overall. So it's kind of, it's the example of where, if you hear a headline of like toxin, like the microplastic is scary, we try to lay out a clear path of like you can do these things

to reduce your exposure and to bring your levels down.

“So we do that systematically over like a whole bunch of things, but yeah, that's why I basically”

try to avoid any material that would be warmed and leech microplastics where it's staying the still, you don't have that leaching problem. Got it. And what about using just our micro waves and stuff like that? Are there microplastics in there?

I hear recently that there's microplastics in our air friars and stuff like that. Is that stuff true or is that just a sales pitch for them to get you to get a new air friars? Yeah. I mean, if you're air friars, I was looking to air friars recently.

I think a lot of them are made with plastic.

And so you're heating these materials to certain degrees where you're never going to have

off-gassing of microplastics. So yeah, no, this is the thing is like, once you start, once you realize the plastic is a target, you realize, you come to learn, it's in everything, not like everywhere you look. Even now, like after I've tried to purge my life from plastic, I will still, like for

me, here's an example. I was doing sauna to try to rid my body of toxins, including microplastics. I'm mistakenly used a towel that was 10% polyester and 90% cotton. So there I am, try to rid myself of toxins and I'm using it on my body. All right.

I'm a polyester, right? Like wiping my body with toxins. So like, you know, like that was an idiotic mistake. Like an example, like we're always, we're just finding this forever. So I got rid of all the, I thought that was a cotton towel that wasn't, but we

are rid of that. But it's just forever.

It's amazing how healthy present they are.

Yeah. I've actually been working with this company, American giant, that they make, um, they've tried to use just American cotton and make their products just in America like that. I mean, just a top to bottom, America only company that makes, uh, textiles are clothing. Because they don't really even have those anymore.

Yeah. Remember, uh, their journey was how, how do we even get a shirt made here and it was seemingly impossible just because we don't have the looms or so many things we don't have. Um, but we've been working on a cotton like a cotton only underwear that would be, uh, just so it's only cotton, right?

So you're not dealing with anything else. It's awesome. Um, what fabrics have you found that are okay to kind of keep on your body, uh, that

“do not have micro plastic cinnamon, which ones are the ones that people need to be weary of?”

Yeah. Yeah. There's a list. So, I mean, one is on the cotton stuff is we were, we've, everything I put into my body. Test, like all the food I eat, uh, so we were testing, um, clothing and actually we tested

the baby, uh, we tested that and it was like eight times as high in glyphosate.

“So, so, so cotton, unexpectedly, that's what's in the pesticide.”

Exactly. So, so cotton is, is better than like a polyester, but cotton is also not like, it's not just pure, right? So, there could be residual, uh, pesticides in your cotton, like how fast the come out we don't know, but this is like, I, this is like dangerous because I think a lot of people

listen to your kind of like, oh my god, I give up, like, what do I do, right? But like, I, I want to give you hope, like you, you just slowly pill back one layer after another after another, like chip away. It's okay.

We'll get off, we'll get on top of this, but just like you just know that there's always

these layers. So, yeah. That's it. So, that's in the diaper. Now, there's no evidence that glyphosate can go from a diaper into the skin, no one's

tested it. So, maybe it is. But if it is, that's terrible, we're bathing our children, you're brave bathing their private parts in pesticides and the diapers. And so, like, this is the kind of thing where I'm saying like, once you start chasing

these, these paths, you just find out society has built itself for profit. They've not built itself for life. And that's what you see everywhere. And so, back to this conversation, you, the point you made before, like this idea of care, like, think of, okay, here's a question for you.

Who in your life, unquestionably, acts in your best interest, like without, without a doubt, they act in your best interest. Who are my brother, like you can probably count on one hand, right? Yeah. Everyone else, like whether it's like a social group or whether it's companies or the government

or whatever, everybody else shows up with a complicated set of objectives. Part of it may be like, is that good? But the whole bunch of the wrapper behind it may be like, they want something from you. And so, this is idea of care that I'm trying to pioneer the company on building around

this is, can we legitimately, unquestionably, always act in our customers' best interest.

Even if it means we lose money, we always show up for you. 'Cause that's really like what I've been trying to do in this whole process. But it just shows that, as a society, we don't have care as a principle, as our society. Like, you're not expected, actually, acting someone's best interest. You're expected, like, have a better exchange to make profit.

Well, so it was our romanticized, well, it probably used to be that way. And I don't know if that's true or not.

“But the fact that we're at that place now, I think is important.”

We do this thing this year on the holidays where we've tried to fund 10 American companies that were like American-made products, and then show those off, like, highlight those. It was me and Mike Row, and it was just so, if you want to buy something that's American, you can get it. You know, this is something that when you buy, you're supporting a fellow American.

So it's like screw these big companies, like, if I buy from you and you buy from me,

then we keep each other alive, we're, it only, you know. So we're trying to start to create this space where you can do that. Where it's like, if I want to buy something, I'd rather instead of going to look at, like, these things that are in the same shelves in every single place, why don't I go find this unique thing that's only made by one of my fellow human beings, you know?

That's a cool idea. It's one of the things that's kind of made me most excited recently, like, in the world. And we're trying to work with, like, Shopify or something, you know, some company to come along and be like, well, these are the sites, you know, people are going to need these sites to build their products, because in it's like, like, we even had a woman who sells, like,

these really, like, great little characters and, and kind of ornaments and stuff. So we had some artists and creatives in there, but it was great. And a lot of them had great profits. It was like, oh, people want this, right? People want to go down the road where there is, like, some accountability for themselves.

And they want to be in a way where they can, where they, the purchase, where they're putting their money, it feels like I'm giving this to someone else who I know probably needed just as much as I do, you know, they're just a regular person. They're not a big entity, you know? So I think anyway, I'm saying, I think there's some, what, of a, people do care, or we,

to get people to care where they're spending, you know, that's kind of stuff is very important. What, what are your thoughts on RFK, Junior's his eat real food initiative, have you seen them? Yeah, have, yeah. What's that? Yeah, Mike Tyson was the spokesperson, he was, he was in the Superbowl ad.

Oh, I didn't even see that. Yeah, yeah, because he came on here and he talked about it, he just said eat real food, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's great.

“I mean, I think, so RFK's a friend, he's saying, yeah, he's getting after it, you know?”

Like in any situation, people are going to have various opinions, fine, but he's really trying his best. Right.

getting rid of food, dyes, and so yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm great for him doing it, and it was cool. You know, like Mike Tyson is probably the person that has been in my consciousness, more

“than any public figure, when I was, when I was seven years old, he had Pete, yeah, I think”

he was 21, he just won the belt and he was on the cover sports illustrated like every week. Again, it's right. I would cut those out and I had it on my wall, but Mike Tyson was my, I don't like, actually, this is like a terrible story, I loved him so much, and I saved up all, I worked

all summer long, mowing lawns and doing all his hope to shit, I saved my money and I bought the pay per view. It was like $44.95, I called my friends over, I met a treat them to this amazing experience and he was fighting Buster Douglas, his first big loss, and oh my god, that was, that was like, soul wrenching, because I wanted to see Tyson like, you know, knock out the park,

I'd never seen him fight live and you couldn't just like pull him up on clips on YouTube,

YouTube. Like, you know, harder to see, but anyway, somebody like tangent there, but it's cool to see Tyson go from that to now he's like, in my world, talking about real food and how it's important. So, I think he's able to, he's had a cool life arc.

He has had a great life arc, I mean, he's pretty fascinating, we're supposed to do a podcast with him kind of soon, actually in LA, actually, so if I do do that, man, I'll have to make sure that you get to come over there. I would love to. I would love to meet him.

That'd be super dude. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he was like, you know, boxes were such, like, I don't know, like, they were such gods.

They held that status, right?

In the '80s, they were it, like, you have like basketball, you have the balls, you have the bears, you know, bow Jackson, like, they were it, yeah, 100%.

“What do you think the government's role should be in our health and diet?”

So I guess, like, two things, one is there, there are a lot of things I want to do that I can't do because the government prevents me from doing it. So I can go out and smoke, I can eat fast food, I can eat all the junk food out there, but I can't try a new longevity drug. The companies are forbidden from allowing me to do that.

So, like, in many ways, I dislike, they give me the freedom to kill myself, but I can't have the, I don't have the right to experiment on myself. Now, wish I had more experiments, the experimental power, but I can do that. Have there been certain drugs that you wanted to go try or some water? A lot of them.

Really? Yeah.

What's one that really, kind of, you know, tickles your Benjamin butt.

Yeah, I think it's good. I mean, there's a whole bunch of, there's, like, probably it doesn't. And like, the thing I want to do is I want to accept the responsibility of determining if it's safe or not. Now, if I mess up, it's on me.

Yeah. I'll take that responsibility, but I do what I don't want them to say, like, only after because it creates this gigantic window, it makes sense. Companies go through a structured process and they say, it's gone through this process, we give it a stamp of approval, so it's a good idea, like, on large scale vaccines,

like you don't want to ship a shitty vaccine to society, totally get it. Also, right, on like, an equals one, like me, scale, I want to do things without their limiting my ability to do it. So it's a really tricky balance because there, there needs to be some structure in place where, as a member of the society, I can say, I trust some entity to ensure what I'm

doing is safe because we're saying, the company itself can't be trusted, right? Like, they need to be a sum, right? Some middleman. Yeah. That's an idea.

But now the middleman, it feels like it can be trusted. Exactly. If we just take this little wholesale, what we're going back to is care, right? Like, do I trust that whoever is doing something is legitimate looking after my best interests or not?

So why I'm saying when you go back to who the gently is looking after your best interests, it's not like one hand. Your brother. And so what if we established as a society, the principle of care?

“And now that's hard because you have to do things that are not your best financial”

interest, you've got to do things like don't look good. So it really puts a different mentality, but also man would be kick-ass living that society. Like, you know, if you're going to tell me to take a drug, like, you're not hiding shit, like you're not, like, you know, that'd be cool. So.

Oh, yeah. It'd be so nice because imagine also the stress that it adds to all of us. Yeah. The stress will now, it's like, you go eat a hot cake or whatever, and you're like, is this thing get a kill me not today, but it's just something in here that they're

strategizing to kill me 30 years from now, you know, to create some new disease in me that then I'll need some new type of medicine, you know, just kind of, yeah, it's a lot of turmoil.

Where do you stand with your diet?

Yeah. And then we'll talk about like supplements that you like. Cool. The principle here is that I am a collection of around 70 trillion cells, like Brian Johnson is 70 trillion cells, half, like over half of those cells are alien cells.

So not even me, they're just bacteria. So I'm like around 30, 35 trillion cells. Is it true? Yeah. Yeah.

You are a collection of like 70 trillion cells. That makes deal bond. Okay. And half of those cells are not, they're not you. They're not natural born citizens.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. They're immigrants. Yeah. They're hanging out in your ecosystem.

And so the question is like, you know, when it comes to food, food is just a collection of molecules. So you're taking, you know, one set of molecules and you put them in your molecules and you say like, what happens? And so we know, for example, when you take fast food, those molecules are putting your

body, it does bad stuff.

“And so with diet, we basically just say, if you have to create a list of the very best molecules”

in existence that help the body thrive, what are those molecules? So every calorie has a five per life.

And so that's the first principle.

And then too is I don't subscribe to any camp. Like I'm not carnivore, I'm not vegan, I'm not vegetarian. I'm not paleo, I'm not keto, I don't care. I just want to look at the evidence and say, you take a given thing, you put in the body, what happens.

And so my diet primarily consists of a whole bunch of vegetables. I do berries, nuts, seeds, extra vegetables and olive oil. That's primarily what I eat. So I'm just extremely meticulous because I'm trying to become the most don't die person in the world.

So if people enjoy eating meat, eat meat, you know, like do your thing, if you enjoy eggs, do eggs, just measure your body, like measure your body and see if you're happier not. If the body is, so there's what your mind can say, like, oh, I love blank, but measuring your body is a different thing. Your body's going to tell is going to speak the truth, like your mind.

So basically, like you want to measure out your body, report out how's inflammation, how's cholesterol, like how's all the different markers. So when it comes to meat and things like that, or they're just, you don't like them, or you feel like they don't work for your body.

“Was there something that you found that you're like, this isn't the best for me?”

Um, so it's actually, I mean, one is, I think there's two points. One is I think you can make an evidence based argument that a diet that primarily consists of vegetables, berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil, legumes, is one of the best paths to longevity, not the only, but like a good one. And then on the like red meat, there's not a ton of evidence that a lot of ton of longevity

evidence that says this thing is a longevity producer now. But I, I pull myself out of the argument because I don't care about red meat. I don't care about the argument. I don't care about the disagreement. If somebody wants to eat red meat, I support you and eating red meat. Yeah.

Like, I'm not going to go after red meat, like, I'm not that person. So just like, do your patch on the back while you have a little, you know, well, you have some burn air. Yeah, man, do it. Like, do your thing and just measure your body.

So I try to do that and try to then share my body biomarkers and say, here's what my body

looks like. Here's the evidence. If you want to try it out, here you go. But like, a lot of, so like, a couple of things, one is I love extra virgin olive oil. I think it's one of the best foods you can put in your body.

Is that a seed oil or not? No. Okay. Yeah, there's like this whole seed oils are bad for you. I don't buy it.

“You don't, now I think it's fried, it's a high temp seed oils, but, you know, cold”

pressed seed oils, you know, like they're fine. So like that whole thing I think got away. But as you think the seed oil thing is kind of out there. Yeah. Yeah.

You don't want to heat them. That's when they become dangerous. But cold pressed seed oils, the evidence says are fine. But again, like, if somebody wants to do it, great, you know, staying or take it, just measure yourself to try to find the markers.

Right. Checking with yourself have some sort of like, okay, how do I really feel after having this? Yeah, how do your body report out? Not your mind, not your opinion, not what social media says, ask your body to report

out with biomarkers. That's a lot of draw. Look at your markers and say, is the body happier, sad? Right. Not each time you, but you're saying over time.

Over time. Yeah, because those like your body reflects your diets over, you know, period of time. Yeah. Yeah. But like the easy ones, like just avoid, there we go.

Yeah, this was just saying cooking was not all cooking was or created equal. This chart breaks down the linoleic acid content in different oils helping you make informed choices for heart health and inflammation control, high linoleic oils like soybean, some foreign corn oil can contribute to inflammation, but healthier options like coconut, olive and grass fed butter, offer beneficial fats.

But you don't buy into this. I mean, so this is cooking, this is actually using it for cooking.

So this is kind of what you're saying, actually, that some of these may provide less health benefit for you. But like on this, though, like this graph, I want to see the toxic compounds that are formed. Otherwise, like, I don't know how to read this graph.

Right. Right. And they'll show stuff like this. I mean, even in trap me, it just, you know, they use the red, yellow green. Yeah.

Exactly. This is a lot of small strategies that can kind of like, yeah, I want to see what temperature. What are the toxic compounds I'm evaluating? What do they form, like, you know, etc.

So that that is like a, that would be a much more qualified approach. Let's say, all right. Now, I feel like I have a good basis for decision making versus like this is easy to read online. You see a red green yellow.

It's like, okay, good bad because anything more than good bad, it kind of gets overwhelming for people. Yeah, for sure. Um, yeah, you say extra virgin olive oil, that's sort of your go to. Yeah.

Based upon the evidence, I, my team and I have reviewed this is what I would suggest to people want quick takeaways. One is I consume more extra virgin olive oil than any food in my diet is 15% of my daily caloric intake, but it's, we source it ourselves, we test it in the lab ourselves. It's high polyphenol has the right acids, right?

Right. Constitution. So it's a specific kind of olive oil. It's not just because most olive oil bullshit, like most of it does nothing and most

of a lot of, yeah, you need a very, so whatever you buy, make sure it has a third party

lab test result.

“Now, that's, that's a lot of like, what is your brand that you tell us?”

I mean, I know, or, or do you have this yourself that we can buy it? Do your own. I do it myself because like going back to that discussion of care and trust after playing this game for five years, I don't trust anybody. Yeah.

No one. Like, I don't care what they say in marketing. I don't care. I just don't trust anyone. That's how I am.

So like, I, I want to source it from the far myself, I want to test it in the third party lab. So I just basically, I did this myself and then my friends were like, I want this too and I'm like, sure. Yeah, I was about to ask you for something, and this is, but this is when you guys have

it's called snake oil. Yeah. We, like, it's kind of a troll. Yeah. So basically, we source from both hemispheres, Southern Hemispheres, Northern Hemispheres.

We always have a fresh batch.

We do third party testing. It's high polyphenols. So all of a, and also like, I do a tablespoon with every meal because when you eat food, it causes damage to your body. Like, a lot of people know that.

“I think like, food is a good thing, which it is, but also there's a sort of damage, this”

is associated. So all of oil lessens that damage, lessens the oxidative damage. So that's all of oil's one. Two is a lot of legumes, like lentils, edamame beans, a lot of vegetables, but I steam them. So when you, when you char something, whether it be charing vegetables or meat or something,

it builds something called AGEs, yeah, advanced glycetic and products, which is basically just thinking about like junk that builds up in your body. You don't want it. So I steam vegetables to lower the AGEs. And then I eat a lot of nuts, macadamia nuts, almonds, walnuts, it's not like walnuts.

Yeah, right. Those are like, the pat, those are good ones, like, uh, I don't eat cashews or peanuts, those are like the less valuable ones. There are drunkards nuts, right? Yeah, that's what I mean.

That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of, um, and cashews looks like it's fucking, looks like it doesn't even know what's

doing. If you look at a cashew, we'll have a cashew. Yeah. It looks kind of bisexual a little, which is fine, but I'm just saying, it looks like it'll sleep over it.

Anybody's house. To me. Yeah, I think it's a good interpretation.

I've never heard someone riff on a cashew's appearance, but you know what?

I think you're right. Ah, and I've never even thought about it till now, but I'm glad I'm even saying something Yeah, did you ever notice how dating apps feel like you're just kind of scrolling through a yard sale of human emotions? I know a lot of people, good people who want something real, like actual commitment,

“not just a WID at 1147 p.m., that's why I like this app called upward.”

It's for people where faith actually matters. Not just, yeah, I went to church twice in 2014. I'm talking shared values, family, commitment, integrity, the stuff that makes a relationship solid. What's cool is you're starting from the same foundation.

You're not three weeks in, wondering, oh, you don't believe in marriage? Because that's a wild Tuesday to have. Upward is built for people who want to date with intention, like you're actually trying to build something, whether faith is a center of your life or just how you were raised. It helps you meet someone who's aligned before things get serious and look, I'm not saying

I've got it all figured out, you know that, I'm still out here, but if you're tired of guesswork and want something grounded in real values, this might be your move. Download upward and start dating with intention. Go find your person. You know, you wouldn't hire an electrician to perform your root canal.

your fun, uncle, to be your hair stylist. You know, you might find it an angry, nudie magazine in the back of your mullet. Considering the wrong people can be disastrous, that's where Morgan and Morgan comes in. If you're ever injured by the negligence of another, Morgan and Morgan as America's largest injury law firm for a reason, whenever I witness an injury or a car accident happen, I automatically

think, Morgan and Morgan.

They have over 100 offices nationwide and more than 1,000 lawyers, with over $30 billion

dollars recovered for over 500,000 clients. Morgan and Morgan has a proven track record of fighting to get you full and fair compensation. If you're ever injured, you can check out Morgan and Morgan. Their fee is free unless they win, yes, that's right, free. For more information, go to fourthepeople.com/theo or click the link in the description

below. To let them know, I sent you. This is a paid advertisement. This episode is sponsored by Better Help. It's March, yes, it is, and this month we're celebrating International Women's Day.

“And that doesn't mean you need to get a mail order bride from another country, it's different”

than that. This is us taking a second to appreciate some of the strong women in our lives. I'm thinking about my mom, I guess that would be a strong one of my life, my sister. She's worked really, really hard. Both of my sisters actually, they're two of the most resilient young ladies that I know.

It can be easy to overlook how much women do for us, but women deserve a safe space to take care of their emotional well-being, they're the creators. Therapy can help create balance, set healthy boundaries, and support overall well-being for everyone, including the important women in your life. With over 30,000 therapists, Better Help is the world's largest online therapy platform.

Having served over 6 million people globally, and maybe even people on other planets,

read all, no! Your emotional well-being matters, find support and feel lighter in therapy. Find up and get 10% off at BetterHelp.com/theo. That's BetterHEP.com/theo. Yeah, I had a couple thoughts, you know, I wish I could say, I wish I could talk about shit

like you do. I have several thoughts I just had, I'd like to express them, but I don't. I still play within a certain box of what I can and cannot say. Do you think it's some of that for business purposes or you just think it's just a social way that you learned?

I mean, it's like as weird as I am and as much elbow room as I've created in doing crazy shit, there's still some things that I would say that would alienate certain people. And so I do have some parameters, and so, but I, you know, if I wasn't doing this, honestly, I'd do stand-up comedy. Really?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, if you like. Oh, that's cool.

Oh, man, it would be, it would be so much fun, because you basically, you're trying to put

your finger on the thing. Yeah.

“And that's what I try to do in my life, but you're like, and so when people, the response”

of course is like, how good you are, put your finger on the thing, they already know. Right. But you're willing to say it, and you can string it together, so yeah, well, you're kind of doing that. You're kind of like, I mean, it's just not stand-up comedy, but you're just doing it

for our health. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm, I would weigh rather, you're this guy out there who's like, just, who's basically riding around being his own food, who's all in shit.

And have you out there like trying jokes, which you may have been very successful out as well. But I'm glad you're doing what you aren't, maybe, you know, maybe to be a side thing or next life. But also some people might not even take you as seriously.

You know, one night I watched John Mayer, he got up in his stand-up comedy. Yeah.

“And he's like, man, I love stand-up comedy.”

I would have loved to have been a stand-up comedian, he goes, but now I'm so known for being what I am that I can't even be this, because it just people wouldn't accept it or wouldn't give you the same walkway into their lives as they would knowing I'm already John Mayer. Yeah.

Yeah. I would love to take that on that challenge. And man, I would love. You could have so many great jokes. I want to make fun of myself, I'm so weird.

Right? I could of course you are, dude. You probably, I don't even have any blood in your body, dude. You could go to a blood draw, and they're just keep drawing and drawing that is sitting there.

Yeah. Versus are coming out like, we don't know, I mean, dude, I bet if you have you ever been on kill tone, if you've been on that show? No. Oh, bro.

If you, I wonder if we, maybe next time I go on there, you and me could go, if you ever seen it.

It's like the tonight's show now, but they do it at that in Austin, and it's, and, dude, I bet people would write some jokes for it, bro, it would be so much fun, I would love to. This is it. It's so much fun, bro. It's the week they have it.

You would be the best on there, dude. I went to a couple roast me, shows, and it was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. I really enjoy people making fun of me.

It's fun. My buddy Adam Hunter does, I used to do a lot of those. I know he's one of the best at it. But Tony Henscliffe is really great attitude, and that's his show, Kill Tony. Okay.

Where there are other things you were going to tell us about, some other health stuff you said that you're own, and you also have a, and I'm not pushing your products here, but I was given a gift of one of your products, and I haven't taken it before, and it's a blueprint protein powder. Yeah.

Is it a protein powder? Is it a daily powder? What is it? Yeah, protein. Okay.

It's a protein powder. And a lot of times you hear this supplements and stuff like that, a lot of that stuff just comes out in your urine, like, would make this thing any different, or is it any different? Yeah.

So the problem I was trying to solve is I need to eat every day. Somehow. Yeah. And I need to certainly have a protein, a certain amount of fat.

“And so when I go out in the world, I'm like, where am I going to buy it?”

Who do I trust? No one. Okay. So I got to manufacture this. So basically, like, we put together, I eat everything my company makes, because I trust

it. I, you know, I worked as a, in high school, I worked at a restaurant.

I was, and I saw the back kitchen operations, and I was like, damn, I'm never, you need

the restaurant ever. Yeah. Right? What'd you see it? Or a fine.

Yeah. Well, it's crazy. We think you're a restaurant that you think that the people in the back are doing their best. Yeah.

Because a lot of times, you're like, you'll go eat. And then I'll go work at a restaurant, so it's like, then I'm just the person in the back. Yeah. And like, the whole idea of, like, something, like, competent things going all behind

the scenes that, like, you can trust, like, non-dollar, some breaks. So yes, like, blueprint. I see exactly what happens. That's what I want to eat. I mean, I basically need, like, 130 grams a day, and so I have to get it from somewhere.

So yeah, we'd same thing up, we source it, we'd third party test it, yeah, we look

at all the, the nutrients and the chemicals and the toxins. So yeah, so the protein is one of the things we built.

“And so, and would kind of protein powder do you recommend?”

I take a plant protein right now. That's kind of what I feel like works best with my system. Yeah. But, um, is there a type of, because you hear different ones and new ones pop out, and then there's like the one you're supposed to take at night, like, what is your experience

been like with protein powder? We've been using P and hemp. We started using pumpkin and, um, pumpkin got something was pumped. Yeah, yeah. So there's, there should be obvious pumpkin as muscles do.

Yeah, exactly. Look at the pumpkin pumpkin. The pumpkin flux in the, in the fields, right? You see, you see, it looks like that. Who's the, who's the defined?

Yeah. So like, we, yeah, we did that. But, you know, like, P doesn't mix very well, though. Yeah, that's why. We do the hemp combo.

Okay. Yeah. It helps it. It makes it fluffy and nice, because P sometimes I'll get it in a smoothie or something.

And you can't even drink it because it's not the, the solution is it, like, liquid

or not. Yeah. So we do that. But, people, there's like this online thing where people say that plant-based proteins are higher in heavy metals, right, because there's, you can test it.

The issue with that is that the whole heavy metal discussion is so fucked up because we test all my foods. You can go to the store and get a carrot and test that for heavy metals. It's high in heavy metals. And so the only reason why it's been, it's been sensational around plant-based proteins

with toxins because it's packaged food, you can easily measure. But it's a harder to measure fresh food, people look to the work. So like, we've learned toxins are everywhere in all foods. And so for example, I'll give you one where I was eating these lentils and the test came back high and so like, why are lentils high in heavy metals?

Like, what's going on there? So we got a whole new company and we're like, what's, what's your manufacturing process? That actually we use a human sludge as our fertilization. So they're taking, like, duty or whatever. Yeah, they're taking human shit because it's like a, it's a salad in it.

So they're using human shit to fertilize and human shit has heavy metals in it. So then it recycles back into the, to the food. And so we, this, this is why I make this shit because I shouldn't say stuff. So we, we want to, we want to source our own food, we want to test it. I want to know what I'm going to put in my body.

So we just, I've learned way too much. I'm like, I'm so jaded now. So the lentils that were using human shit on their crops and it was getting into the lentils.

“That's why, because otherwise, if you think about it, you're like, what foods naturally”

have high levels of blank, right, or like, cocoa has high levels of heavy metals. Like, there has a lot of high levels of cabbiam naturally, but then people test that that I cured the brand rankings, but then glyphosate could also be present. And so we found that the brand had the lowest levels of cabbiam, had the highest levels

And so this is the thing is like, you once you actually take a topic and you actually

slice it up to capture the nuance, it's just, the conversation online is almost never

right. Like when, the things that, that gain trendy popularity, it's almost always wrong. And when you said that all, some of it almost is negligible then because at a certain point, just overall, we are in a very tough spot with what is in our foods no matter 100%.

Like this I'm saying, like, it is like, I don't, people are going to feel stressed about this conversations. I want to like, make sure we close. I would agree. I want to, I want to give like a few tips where people can regain control their life.

Okay. So I don't want to terrify. I know it's terrifying.

“Well, one of the things that I even, I think you've already done is that's why you're”

saying, like, okay, you may have this diet. But if you have an olive olive oil that you take when you're eating that it will lessen the effects of your diet on your system at the time. Yeah. So, and those are the types of things that are kind of important.

It's like, okay, well, I know that even if some stuff I know is going to be not great for me, how do I at least just mitigate what's going on. That's right. While our science hopefully gets, you know, uncompromised, while our food system hopefully gets uncompromised and we're able to get back into a better place.

So you were saying, there are some things you want to take away. Yeah, look at cool. So here's like, in short, this, this list of things will hopefully help people feel empowered and not anxious. So yes, there's like all kinds of shit to be aware of, but if you focus on these things,

so one is I've learned out of all the things I've measured. I actually have like billions of data points on my body over the past five years.

If you distill that and say, how many are useful signal, probably a few hundred million,

but if the largest data set in human history, the thing I care about the most is what is my heart rate before bed? It is like the most useful biomarker. And it's so easy because free. So if you have a wearable, you can just pull your phone, see if you wear it with your

mark. So you go, you lay down your bed, take a few deep breaths and you call me yourself down and you see a number. Let's say it's like 55 beats a minute or 60. Your goal in life now is to lower your heart rate.

So you say you start off a 60 in a month now, be at 55. And so the way you do that, one is you have your final meal the day for hours before bed. I know, I know, I hear you. And no snacks, no, no food. So if you're bed time to 10 at 6 p.m., you're done.

There you go. That's a great chart. So these are the things. So when you increase your heart rate before bed, it wrecks your sleep. Yes.

When you don't sleep well, your willpower falls off a cliff. So the next morning when you're trying to decide, do you eat the croissant or the donut for breakfast or not? If you haven't slept well, you're like 90% more likely to eat the donut or the croissant.

Wow.

“If you slept well, you have a little juice in the system you're like, you know what?”

No, it's not good for me. And I'm going to exercise, which then also increase your willpower. So you get this really positive loop. So all starts to sleep and sleep is determined by your heart rate. So for example, like, so four hours for bed, that is going to lower, so when you have

that distance, it allows your body to digest the food. It allows your body to say, I'm going to get ready for bed. So lowers your body temperature, lowers cortisol, increases melatonin, your body's in a much better state to go to sleep and stay in deep sleep. The second thing is your phone needs to be off an hour before bed.

You can't be in bed scrolling, working, texting. You need this separation because your body, the phone in hand, is going to increase your cortisol, increase your sympathetic activation. You'll be more anxious. And so you need an hour of separation.

Instead of the phone, go for a walk, talk to a friend, hang out, like breath work, meditation, read a book, like anything but be on your phone, that will lower your heart rate. And there's other small things, like I do this nighttime discussion where I go to about 830, a 730 PM, evening, or sleep, Brian comes on on duty and sleep, Brian is a version of me that defends my sleep.

And so all the Brian's line up, so ambitious Brian lines up.

He's always the first one.

He was to work.

“And he's like, I got to fucking bang your idea, right?”

A brand new thing we're going to do. And sleep Brian says, we see you ambitious, Brian, like you're doing a good job in life. We keep out of man, also we get ready for bed. So we're going to write down your idea and then tomorrow we'll come back to it. And ambitious Brian's like, are you sure?

And sleep Brian's like, yeah, we got you. So then he won't go the way that anxious Brian shows up. And he's like, you know, today when you were Theo, you said that thing and you were a jackass to him, right? And it's like, thank you, anxious Brian.

Great self-awareness. Appreciate you. We're going to write that down. We're going to hit Theo up tomorrow. Make sure we're all good.

And they're like, all the Brian's line up and so you know this, leaving Brian ever so up, he's like, hey, stay up.

Yeah. Yeah. So you'll see this, like, whether you do this or something else, the way this manifest is if you don't do this, you put your head on the pillow and then you loop. Right?

Like you have these thoughts and just like, go and go in the same thoughts.

And then you finally fall asleep, you wake up three hours later that they are again looping.

And so they cause your heart rate to go up, which causes your sleep to go down, which crashes your willpower, which crashes everything else. So by doing this, like, internal harvesting, like you're trying to clean up, you're lowering your heart rate, you're settling yourself down, you're getting to some point of reconciliation. So now you've not eaten for four hours, you've got off your phone and you've got some

kind of internal balance. Now you're ready to pick, I can let it put my head on the pillow and have a decent shot at a bang or nice sleep. And so basically I built my entire life around sleep.

“Now if you focus on that, it's just like, so much of life is just not doing bad shit.”

Right? This is like what we talked about before, of like, whether you're happy or not in life is how much you're doing, which you actually don't want to do. Yeah. And then like all the other stuff, like all these little things about this and that, like, don't

worry about it yet, just get sleep in place, get these basic habits in place, your sleep is going to make you feel great. And then what you get that in a steady place, you can start laying on good habits, but

if you take on too many things, you'll feel overwhelmed.

Yeah. So like get that in place. That's like the winner. Do it. It's like, there's nothing better than when you like, I'm going to sleep.

Man, it's... How's your sleep? Well, you say? How's your sleep? My sleep's okay.

It's not that great a lot of times I stay up editing, but it's good. But I also have gotten trapped into a late pattern, so it's like, I could get up earlier. It's just like, I have to line it up earlier. Yeah.

“I could get up earlier, get rid of like the working out the meditation, you know,”

do like some Zoom, like recovery meeting stuff. And then all that's out of my head. And now the rest of my day feels more, it feels easier no matter what I'm doing as opposed

to these things being later in the day and that I still have to do them.

That's one of the biggest traps I set myself up for is procrastinating like the toughest things right out of the gate. And they even get easier over time. Yeah, that's right. But like today, I got up.

I saw it. I do saw it a lot. That is one thing that I like doing. It just makes me feel activated. And not everybody can have a saw in it at home.

You know, I don't have like a very fancy one. There's a lot of different affordable ones actually. But that's something that I noticed has helped me a lot. Do I say your boys in the sauna? Am I seeing my body?

Your boys. My nuts. Yeah. No, no. It's a good idea.

You ice him in the sauna? Yeah. Whoa, whoa. What do you mean? Yeah.

So we did an experiment. So when the testicles get warm, it has all these negative consequences. Oh, it destroys your fertility markers. And so yeah. So what you want, what you can do is on Amazon, you can buy like $8 ice packs.

They're BPA-free, non-toxic, put them in the freezer and then just slide them underneath your cotton. So we're cotton underwear and cotton shorts, put them in between the underwear and the shorts and just have them there for the entire session of the sauna session. But we did this.

I did the most measured sauna experiment in history. We measured like 250 biomarkers. And we did ice on my testicles and we took it off and it annihilated my fertility markers. Now, a lot of people will say, I don't care about that because I'm not trying to get pregnant or whatever.

But it has a whole bunch of negative feedback loop. Like it's a negative feedback. If you don't want to annihilate them, you want good fertility markers, even if you're trying to have a baby. Yeah, you want your brain to feel like you're pot-pot, like just a lot.

Right. The role. Yeah, if your brain starts feeling like, oh, these nuts are useless or whatever your brain's like, then what am I sticking around? Yeah, yeah.

It was my job, exactly. Dang, dude.

“Now, what if you just pour a little bit of cold water on your nuts every now and then?”

Is that you think that'd be okay? I mean, you could. But you got to keep the water cold, you got to be sure to keep the temperature. Like as long as you get temperature low, like whatever, whatever you do. And then after you do it, you know, just clean it with like a hydrogen peroxide or something.

You know, so you, uh, and then put it back in the freezer. But yeah, I know it's like, it's uncomfortable to do it socially. Like you go out to like a public place and it's like who's the weird person putting, you know, the ice pack all their balls, you know, but like it legit is, it's good science. And, uh, it's a good practice.

So keep it, I'm cool. Well, even if you had to go to the water to go to the ice machine, get your little sack ice and just set them on that while you're in that work. Anything you can do to keep your ice, yeah, Jessica was cold. Well, is this sauna?

Is there a certain type of sauna that you really recommend or something that works differently? Um, there's one that now, like actually was thinking about getting like an infrared panel

Do you find that there's any help with that sort of thing? I know that's kind of two different questions. Yeah. The the best evidence is with a dry sauna.

And so there's wet dry an infrared and wet the problem is it heats up your skin faster

than your core temperature. You're trying to get your core temperature up. So dry sauna in an infrared rarely hits the temperature levels you want. So the best evidence is you want to be between 174 Fahrenheit to 220 Fahrenheit. Oh my god.

That's warm. That's your window. And then you want to, so what we're doing now is one of the primary benefits of the sauna is when you go in there your core body temperature when it gets to about 102 degrees Fahrenheit.

It triggers the release of heat shock proteins. So these are like little machines, protein machines like a spun up and they go around and fix it. They fix broken proteins. They make it.

Yeah. Like floating your body doing good stuff. But only gets triggered when your core body temperature hits a certain level. And so if you're not hot enough to sauna, so they're very hard to measure. So we're currently standing up a lab, a wet lab on my house.

We can measure this.

We're going to try to measure my heat shock protein release on various temperatures,

various durations. So what we've been looking, because I've been doing core temperature out of my ear lately, but you can't, the gold center measurement is rectal, but you've got to do that. You've got to like be inside the ass for like two to three minutes with a long probe. So yeah.

I know. That's far more. So I'm struggling with that one. Like I do a lot of stuff, but like man, I was like, guys, can we find an alternative way of doing this?

So we're going to do blood. We're going to measure heat shock protein release, because that's like the good enough. Good stuff. Yeah. Basically, dry sauna.

Somewhere between 174 and 12 Fahrenheit for 20 minutes is like a good starting point. And then ice on the boys are sending the boys while you're in there. And you want to stay in that sauna for you said for 15 to 20 minutes of above 170 degrees. Yeah. That's like a good approximation.

That's where the evidence is. It's like, if you're in that range, you're getting some benefit. I'm trying to go for like max max benefit, but if you're in that temperature range for that duration of time, you're going to get a good benefit. Wow.

That's fascinating, dude. Yeah, because my steps is you've just got me a sauna hat to wear in the sauna too. So that's good. The heat will dry out your scalp. Yep.

That seems kind of nice to, you know, it's nice to have a little bit of like a fashion a couturement in there. Kind of. Yeah. Made of hemp material.

We have probably something like that. Yeah.

“One thing we're trying to make an underwear that's just all cotton, right?”

And it's American cotton. One of the things that I did is to one underwear, the night band, sometimes the waistband, it's too tough and it makes you go peel night. Yeah. Yeah.

So it's like, you got to wake up an extra time or sometimes it's too like if I wear some of these ones that are really distracting, I'm like, yeah. So I don't know. I'm trying to think about making a decent pair of breaches, brush some of the hija cock and a little bit.

Yeah. Why you sleeping, bro? Yeah. I hear you, man. It's a serious problem.

Yeah. Yeah. Two to three. I saw that you went viral not long ago for a post and it was like, uh, nighttime erection data.

Yeah.

Take me down that, uh, take me down that weiner road for a second.

Yeah. Yeah. Ryan, would you, would you see your nighttime erection data from my 19 year old son? Yeah. Yeah.

“I mean, that's why I made a build, uh, a bonding, a bonding dude.”

Um, nighttime erection data from my 18 year old son, uh, town was Johnson and me. His duration is two minutes longer than mine. Wow. Yeah. Raise children to stay and tall be firm and be upright.

That's hilarious. Yeah. I noticed you and your son do you, he gets involved in a lot of this, right? Yeah. He, he's so cool.

He's such a cool guy. Uh, he's my second, uh, child and, um, he and I are just best friends. We roll and man, like, we're like, we're just twins, like we, just like, you know, with Kate, um, man, I love this kid so much. We have so much fun together.

You know, what makes him so special to you. I mean, it's your son. So that's one thing. Yeah. There he is.

I mean, that's cool. Like, he's in shape, huh? Who? Who would do this with their dad? That's a good.

That's actually the perfect answer. Maybe Voldemort, something or whatever. But I was just joking, I was just joking, I was no, but no, you're right. Who would be like? Yeah.

Who would do anything with their dad? Look at like the lower left. He's, I have my shirt off. Yeah. He's hugging me.

Like we're doing a shirtless skinned photo shoot.

“Like, what father son does that seem pretty tribal?”

Yeah. I mean, he's, he's, he's like, and so like where they're, we do the bloodtramp. Like so he gave me his plasma, I gave my dad my plasma, we did like a tri-generational thing. And is that was there any helpful stuff in that?

Yeah.

And he said, like, I, he's, I just wrote this thing for work. I stepped away from my, my desk came back to it. It was gibberish. He's like, I'm, I'm freaking out. And so that day my team and I had a call about plasma exchanges.

Like the idea of you, like there was a study where a old mouse and a young mouse were so together, they, they shared a secretary system. The old mouse got young. They were so in together. Yeah.

Like they shared a system. That's kind of a shitty, shitty mouse, right? Like to be that mouse and that experiment. But the old mouse got younger. And so there was this idea, like what's happening, right?

Could you replicate the results there by taking plasma that is useful and given to someone that is older.

“And so my, as I, as I dad, if you want to do this.”

I'm happy to give you my plasma. Like, you know, because there was some studies being shown. Yeah. And then you siphoned Talmuds. And it was like, yeah.

Yeah. So he, he heard, he heard, he heard me, Talmuds heard us talking about he's like, hey, like, if you want me and like, I'm, I'm happy to be in him. Like you guys, this is perfect to try generational plasma exchange. That's just dope, dude.

Yeah. So we did it. And interestingly, my dad, his speed of aging. It's like, there's a clock inside your body of how fast you're how slow you're aging, his speed of aging dropped by the equivalent of 25 years.

So his body had a traumatic reduction of how fast he was aging from getting my plasma. How are you able to quantify that? Looking at something called DNA methylation.

So body, your body basically has these chemical signatures of like, what are your body

look like? A 13 year old, a 20 year old, a 45 year old that's like an immersion science. So it is like metadata almost. Yeah. Exactly.

It's like, it's a new area of science. It's still emergency. It's not yet gold standard.

“You know, it's not like the, like, blood work has a gold standard marker, but this is”

cool. And so yeah, my dad's metadata changed dramatically. My biomarkers didn't. So when when my son townmage gave me his plasma, my biomarkers did not change. Which makes sense because my biomarkers are already like his, we're already of comparable

health. But my dad's are not as good as mine. So, but yeah, that was the behind that. So like my son, yeah, like he, that's cool. Yeah.

He's a, he's a yes-an guy. Oh, nice.

So like anything I say or anything I do, he's always like dad, yeah, and you know,

like when I did the live stream mushrooms, he's like, I'm in and I want to hang out with you. And so he's just like, he's such a cool dude. I want to talk about the mushroom stuff, and I'll, but take me back to the directions. Oh, yeah.

What? And that's the only time I'll ever say that probably. Oh. Oh. Oh.

It's like the time you were gay. Yeah. You never know. Everyone's a little gay. Dude, people's all a little bit gay, bro.

You fucking take a lanybody. Yeah. If you take a little somebody hard enough to limit it. Yeah. Yeah.

What did you notice about directions? Yeah. What did you guys find out here? 'Cause you and your son both took this. Is it a test?

What did you guys do to study it? Yeah.

“So, the idea behind this is how do you tell if somebody's in good health?”

Mm-hmm. You can like look, you can look at them, like what is a skin quality, like what are their muscles, are they? Robably fit turns out that nighttime erections for men is a major marker for health. And that if a man is not having erections at night when he's asleep, it's representative

of much larger problems in the body. But before we did this, nobody talked about this idea. But every night you go to bed, your body goes to a natural process of erection cycles. So men have between three and five erections every single night. But not sexual, your body is just like pulsing the system, females have the same thing.

So females also have these arousal cycles, they're clitterestine gorges, so you can measure a man's erection. So we have this little device, you put on the base of the penis and you go to sleep, you think it's annoying, but it's actually fine, you don't even feel it. And you wake up in the morning and it gives you a readout.

How many erections you had, how long they were, and then the strength the erections. And what it's basically doing is it's telling you the health of your car. The cardiovascular system, your psychological health, and your physiological health. So if your dick is broken, something else is broken about you. And you could also use it as an age marker because as you age, like a healthy 18 year old

will have something like two and a half hours of nighttime erections. And by the time you get to 70 years old, it's down like 51 minutes. So it declines with age. The top is still rocking there. So mine, my best is like 3 hours and 52 minutes in one night.

Yeah, so I'm at the 99.9%ile for nighttime erections.

And this is a cool marker because like people can, can look at me and say, bro, you still look 48, I don't think any of your shit's working. And the way to counteract that is when you go to bed, your body just doesn't. Like I can't change if I have erections that I don't know. I can't think about having sex.

Right. So it basically is a question of like my body is behaving like an 18 year old. Hmm. I better than an average 18 year old. Yeah. And so that's like a good marker of like, is my stuff working or not?

“Yeah, like, so that's what this whole day.”

So I actually have teaching my son like as like, hey man, how are you doing? Because as a good father of what his son to be healthy and he's like, I want to measure it. So so he's a very healthy 18 year old. And I was trying to demonstrate that, you know, I'm 48 years old. He's 20, our bodies, basically are behaving the same.

Hmm. So yeah, people like you know, you definitely had a lot to say about this post. Yeah, well, it's so I mean, it's pretty fascinating.

You know, when you think about that, you had 34 million views on this.

It'd be like, that's not even like, it would so much more violent than that. That's insane, bro. Yeah. But dang also, it's a great business card for your son in the dating world. Yeah, like, you know what?

Yeah, yeah. Or the longevity world. I mean, just like, yeah, if that's something that's just like, it's your nature that it's going to show up at night. Because yeah, I noticed that I definitely, if I wake up with an erection, I do feel more like,

yeah, okay, I'm viral or viral and I'm rocking, you know. And I still got it, you know what I'm saying and bring on the day. Yeah, you remember, I feel like when you were like early teens. Oh, yeah. You're always erect.

Like in the middle of the day, you have, you just become erect. Yeah, I remember walking down the hall and having like, lean my body in. We're like, yeah, or like, walk with your, your book over.

Yes, holding your book back and wearing your book back on the front.

Yeah, or just, or I'd walk and like just as school, I would just point my body towards the wall and just walk sideways and just weird shit. Yeah, exactly. Just like I can around. That's like a robust function, but then as you age, right, they just disappear.

Yeah. And so that's why it's so important. Because people who don't have mental do not have robust nighttime rations are 70% more likely to have a cardiac event. So like you, like you really want to know, if it's not working, all their stuff is going

on. And so, yeah. Wow. A lot of my, yeah, there was a long time I didn't because a lot of it was psychological too.

“I think I was just doing something going on in my head that wasn't healthy.”

You had mentioned, you hadn't experienced, I have to peel it quick now. We just took a urine break, dude, I pee long when I pee because I drink a lot of fluids during the day. Yeah. Is that good or bad?

Use it matter. Do you cut off fluids at a certain time at the end of the day so you don't wake up to pee at night? Yeah. So I measure what I did.

I measured my fluid. So when I exercise and when I'm in the sauna, I'm able to exercise how much I measure how much I sweat. So Gatorade has a patch. Just put it on the inside of your forearm and then it gives you how much you sweat and also

the content of your sodium. So you get kind of a baseline and then you have an idea of like you can back into how much should you consume and should you supplement with the sodium or do you have that. So yeah, I consume about about 120 to 130 ounces of water per day so a lot like you. I front load in the morning and I stop around 4 to 5.

So yeah, so that then helps me lessen the number of times than you get up. So sometimes if I'm lucky, I'll sleep at the entire night and then other times like poke half the nights. You know, I'll get up once. But yeah, I try to stop fluid towards the end of the day to stop getting up a night.

“So you'll stop at kind of right after you eat dinner?”

Yeah. So I actually I eat dinner at 11 a.m. noon. I have my final meal the day around noon. Oh, you do.

Yeah.

And when you have your first meal then, when I wake up at 6, I'll wake up at 4 or 5.

Like 4 or 5 and then I'll have breakfast before I eat. So you eat breakfast. Yeah. It's like so many things that are like don't eat breakfast. I feel better when I don't eat breakfast and I eat later in the day and I keep it

into a smaller eating window, but you don't that's not your practice. Yeah. Like do your thing, right? Like you're saying do your thing. Yeah, exactly.

I do your thing. But I like what I I built my life around sleep, um, like unquestionably. So the reason I do that is because if I have my last meal around noon, my heart before I go to bed will be around 41, 42, 43 beats per minute, which if I have that, I will have a perfect night's sleep.

I'll get like four to four and a half hours of sort of sleep. I'll fall asleep within one minute. Um, I'll, you know, half the night's, I will not get up other nights. I'll wake up, I'll be back to sleep within a minute or two. And so, um, yeah.

And then once I have that kind of sleep profile, like I feel like I can take on life when I don't sleep well. I just, it's like, oh, man, it sucks. I hate how I feel everything goes on Hill and everything goes the way I treat other people, the way I treat myself like you're saying, yeah, last night's sleep was bad.

Might as well wreck the rest of the day. You know, there's this, yeah, yeah, yeah, just like regenerative thing that sort of continues to happen. Yeah. Do you take any supplements for sleeping?

So that's not to be confused with a, a milligram.

It's like a third of a milligram.

Okay. I'm so very, very light dose. That's all I take. And a powder or tubular what? Just a, I take a plant-based melatonin.

Hmm. Yeah. Is that a synthetic? By the way, you know, people have their sleep stacks that have, like, the magnesium's in, like, cool, but I just don't need it.

Um, yeah, what I've learned is that the body is a clock. It loves consistency. And so we've measured this where your body wants to run, they've run certain biochemical processes on certain time frame. So for example, if your bedtime is 10 p.m.

And you miss it, you say, like, I'm going to go to bed at 2 a.m. Today. But I'll make up for it.

I'll sleep until 10, I get my affiliate hours.

It doesn't work like that. So at 10 p.m, your body has a trash collector that rolls to the body. And it picks up the trash. If you're not embed at 10 p.m. to sleep, the trash collector doesn't come at the trash accumulates in the body.

And so it's more important to be on time and consistent. Otherwise, like, the body's processes can't do its thing. So that's what I've learned.

“It's like, you have to treat the body like a system.”

You can't just be like, fuck it, I'm going to, like, power over or, like, run, you can't. Like the body runs on certain principles of biology. You can't overrule it. Wow. And it kind of makes sense because even your brain, like your brain's main job is just to keep

things organized, your body just wants to, yeah, a system just wants to run in an organized fashion. Yeah, exactly. Like you're saying, like when we first start talking, it's like, you have a plan, you have a routine, like it feels good.

You like, you eventually feels good. The body feels good. You just have that. Yeah.

I wrote somewhere that you spend, like, a couple million dollars a year to take care of

yourself and to learn data. What is it? What does that financially look like for you, really? Is that the truth? That was true.

I think initially. It's, I think it's a bit less now because we have all these systems built out, but the cost primarily came from hiring the doctors, hiring the scientists. So we had, like, comb through all the scientific evidence. Like, for example, if you do sauna, how do you do sauna?

What temperature? What kind of sauna? How long do you ice your testicles or not? How do you measure your heat shock proteins, like the little minions going out doing the good shit?

“Like, you have to go to this degree, which is extensive.”

And then I bought a bunch of equipment. Like, I have a couple, like, I don't know, a million or two of equipment at the house. I'll do various things. And then just on the money for the experimentation and measurement. But the actual things we've learned are low cost.

Like, I can take everything I've learned and give it to somebody and they can put it into their life, like, at a very, very low cost. So it's been really just about, there's actually very few therapies that cost a lot of money that are worth, like, most things don't work. Most things are bullshit.

And so that's been the process of, like, spending the money to figure out what does work and then how those things work. What about red light therapy do you think that's helpful? It's, you see, this is the thing is, yes, but you have to make sure that you're getting the right amount of your life therapy for the right duration of time.

And so if it's like a face mask of whether it's a panel, and so we do things like, we'll take a panel, we'll measure the irradiance, like, how much exposure you're getting at what distance, what duration, if you're looking for, like, deep healing or longevity. So again, like, I don't want to make this overly complicated, but it matters. And so we try to be very precise, like if you're doing red light therapy, get this dose.

And now you can just go to an AI model and be like, I have this device. It has these specs. If I want a longevity protocol, how long should I have this, that gives you the data. But you want to be precise, because a lot of people think, like, red light's good. I'll just do it.

And it's great. Like, it's just more nuanced. Because I was talking about a naturopath ophthalmologist. Yeah. And she was saying that some exposure to red light therapy can be helpful.

I do it every day. I do red light. I have three panels that surround me, that's red and near light, I do it for six minutes a day. Okay.

So I do it every day. It's a good therapy. Got it. What about, like, barometric, you know, those, like barometric chambers, you see a lot of those at wellness centers.

You know, I'll go to a place where I get in AD every week and I'll do in AD injections every day.

“Are you, uh, do, is, is the barometric thing, something you, yeah, recommend?”

Yeah. Hyperbaric oxygen therapy chamber. That's what I mean. Hyperbaric. Yeah.

So it's, it's potentially, it's, it's right there at the very, very top. So I'd say sauna, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, and like, uh, interestingly, uh, mushrooms, magic mushrooms, is up there. But a hyperbaric is, uh, one of the best therapies, like we all do with our experiments. I did a 250 biomarker measurement and what we saw after 60 sessions, um, yeah, there we go.

Just a system, um, we, we saw changes in my brain in my microbiome, my skin, my blood,

If you pull it, do, um, find the one I read up or I did on X, Brian Johnson, um, H.

Bot summary. It's the best skin, Rejuvenation Protocol in the world that rebuilds collagen, elastin fibers, it gets rid of a senescence cells, which was obvious cells.

“How long do you need to be in there for?”

That's the thing. That's a problem. 90 minutes, uh, per day, uh, per session, and you need to do 60, yeah, there we go. That's a good summary. So it does 60 sessions, each 90 minutes in 90 days.

So it's a gigantic amount of time. Oh. Yeah. And you can't have electronics in there. It's too dangerous.

So yeah, this is the thing is it's, it's, it's really inaccessible, which is sad because

it's so good. 300% increase in formation of new blood vessels, telemarin's activity of a 12 year old associate of the biological age, uh, 200 pretty even, to 200 and 29% increase in short chain fatty acids, but you'd have to do this and then keep it up for every year, right?

Yeah, so actually, so people don't really know we're experimenting, but right now I'm doing 60 sessions per year, uh, in like a big burst, and then I'll do, like a 20 session burst once per quarter, and so I'll do this around, for example, like a certain treatments, like Thursday, I had a bunch of stuff done to my face. So my, he's helped me on beat up, I've got like stuff all over the place.

Yes. Like, under, I have like bruised, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, white mouse. Yeah, it's like we, as you age, you, you lose collagen, and so your skin, like it's saggy and less plump, and so I did a bunch of injectables to rebuild my collagen.

Okay.

“And so that's why I'm bruised, and stuff like that.”

But then you pair that with a hyperbaric oxygen therapy and like boosts the therapy. Got it. So yeah. So that's the thing. So say if I'm going to go get an NAD injection or an IV every week, and it's going

to take two hours anyway while sitting there, I'm not as well sit in the hyperbaric while I do it. If there's one there, or do you think if I only go 50 times any years, even worth it? Yeah, you, like there are, you can do like a one session is good for you, got it. And you can do five also good for you.

There's like protocols that like on healing, like diabetics will do like 10 to 20 sessions to close open wounds because it's really great for healing. This is just like the lung cavity protocols. So you can do fewer sessions and still do it, but you want to have it, it's a compounded therapy.

So do them in a close proximity, but no more than five per week, your body needs to have a break. Yeah. Yeah, I saw you do the mushroom therapy and that's one of the things that kind of brought me like, maybe think like, okay, this guy, it's not like, you know, this guy's really

“he's still out there experimenting and wanting to learn more, right?”

What was that therapy like for you and was it, were you surprised by it and was it psilocybin I guess and the effects? Yeah. This is one of the coolest discoveries we've made is psilocybin like sits in the world of psychedelics,

but it's never been bridged over to longevity.

That's a different way of thinking about psilocybin and talking about it. And so we said, can we do an experiment to see is our magic mushrooms, a longevity therapy. So same thing, we measured 250 biomarkers and the data was insane, surprisingly. So like we found this new thing where there were studies and mice that showed that the blood glucose improved.

And me, my blood glucose went from 98.2 percentile in the population, good to 99.8 percentile I think. It almost hit like a metabolic reset in the brain, resetting your blood glucose regulation, which is gigantic, it took my inflammation levels down to undetectable. It had changes in my microbiome, it, um, so I'd list them all out here.

Yeah, like, it legit is a longevity therapy. I've introduced inflammation and blood detectable, uh, call my body in mind, lower cortisol and embedded HPA access in the days following the dose made neuroplossic in the brain. Like, take your brain to a more youthful state. Wow, so you guys did a lot of like treatment while you were under this and did you then, uh,

put this into your protocol after that? Yeah. Yep. So it's really early days. Nobody knows the idea of protocol, but right now, it's like, once every 30 days seems to be

about right. And how much mushrooms you taking 25 milligrams of psilocybin? Okay. So then it depends upon the strain. So I did the B positive mushroom strain, so it's like four and a half grams of dried

mushroom powder, which then was the 25 milligrams of psilocybin. So that's a real trip, kind of. Yeah, it's clinical grade. It's just below a, uh, ego dissolution. Wow, so you have to be like, in a say, you got to chill out somewhere.

Yeah. You don't want to be the club. Right. Yeah. And what about, uh, but you, but that was so helpful that you now, it's part of the

protocol. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're doing our next psychedelic live stream in three weeks, we're doing our

new psychedelic. Yeah. This is cool.

Oh, your girl did it and you sounded the first one.

I don't see to show it up. It's not the end of, uh, when I was coming down, he showed up with my dad. Oh, it's crazy. Oh, we had such a good family bonding moment. You know, because like you're in that state and I was just giddy and euphoric, and I was

able to express things to my dad. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. That's huge.

And so then yeah. So we did this, we see the temperature, um, when you take psilocybin, your body changes in its thermo regulation. Um, so the extremities get a lot colder. You have a lot of heat going inside.

So we did that as a measurement, um, yeah. So we're looking to our next psychedelic because there's like a few things like, um,

we did psilocybin, but other contenders are, um, I wasca 5 Mio, um, um, what else do we

look at? Yeah. So we're doing one live stream in three weeks. Wow. It's amazing.

“You should, you should, it's to, I've done it before.”

It's been amazing. You should come on. So last, last time we did this, we had people who came on, so I was, uh, tripping, and we had a bunch of people who were commentators, um, who were like, well, scary, like, almost like fight show stuff, like, you know, yeah, you should come on and be a commentator.

Dang, brother, that would be so wild to commentate somebody who's going through an ayahuasca experience. I'm not opposed to that. Where are you based out of? Uh, we'll, we'll do it internationally.

So, oh, you have to, I guess. Yeah, speed is just be online. Yeah. We just break you in. Woo.

It's just like, you know, it's like, it'd be fun to get a few comedians, uh, come in and like, you know, give, give, give their two cents on like, what's going on? And, are there any psychedelics that you would say are definitively bad for your brain? Hmm. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. Is there any like therapy that you went and tried and you were like, oh, this is definitely not it or like, was there ever a place where you got scared, like you went to like, um, you know, romance or some plate, you know, I'm just hyposypasturizing, but yeah, I mean, like,

if you pulled that image of my face, the blowup, you had it up there before I, yeah. So, that's you. That's me. Yeah. So, I got really skinny in the early days of this project, really was skinny.

And I lost a bunch of volume in my face. And so, when you lose volume in your face, it's very hard to get back volume. So, most people just do filler, but I didn't want it to filler. And so, we did this Renewa, which is this, uh, fat. So, someone else was fat, so I injected it to my face and I had a severe reaction.

So, that was, so that didn't work. Oh, that's crazy dude. I saw this earlier and I was thinking, like, who is this lady that they're bringing up? I thought this was like a Native American woman.

Yes. Yeah, like on the far right there, that was me, like, um, like 45 minutes after the injection. I was like, oh, shit. This is not a good situation. They took me like, six days to call, like, it was bad.

That's pretty scary dude.

“Um, it was spending all this time working on yourself, right?”

How do you stay out of, like, ego with it, because it's such a cell, you know, in the end, there's, there is some, because it's you, you're, you're, you're an experiment, you know? And then what, or some of the, like, what has it cost you? Like, what have been some of the things like, have there been relationships? You haven't been able to have, like, as it been tough to, like, um, spend time with

family. Like, what are some things? What are the side effects of being, like, you know, one of the biggest experiments in, in, in, in history? Yeah.

I mean, that's, that's like one of the primary criticisms I get is people say, you know, bro, so busy trying to not die, if God had a live. Hmm, and, um, I understand what they're saying, I definitely understand the perspective. And I, I view myself as a, a modern day explorer, you know, like, somebody who is out there on the frontier trying to discover something new.

And like, man, I fucking love this so much, I love this game so much. I'm into it.

Like, it, when I wake up in the morning, it's the first thing I think about all day long.

Like, what is the experiment, what is the data, what is the science, I love it. And so, I think people just don't understand that it's the game I'm in love with. And so, you know, it is our cost, yes, like, on my friends going out and doing things

“sometimes that I'm doing, yes, like, do I feel a loss?”

No, like, I'm very happy with this situation. And so, like, in some ways, like, I'm, I'm a new kind of athlete. I'm a professional, rejuvenation athlete. Like, LeBron goes to bed on time and he's well, and we're like, go, man, like, you play

People just don't understand, I'm a new archetype.

They haven't ever seen it before. So, just like, just like a disconnect between that. It is cool. Like, I love the hate. It's like great energy, right?

Like, it's just a lot of discussion.

“Yeah, and this is a lot of confusion around it, you know?”

Yeah, I think. You just don't know. Especially at a time when there's, like, these tech lords who, it seems like they want to, like, siphon everybody's androchronome or whatever. Have you had anybody hit you up about getting some adrenal chrome or whatever?

Yeah, everybody has reached out to me, like, everybody cop to bottom, you name it. And like, it's just like, what, you know, what gives you a feeling of power, you're like, money, status, or immortality, immortality, right? The other thing's hooked ever less than what? They just don't care.

Like, this is what I'm saying, like, this transitions happening, what good is money if you're dead, what good is status if you're dead? Any world leaders reached out? Yes. Yeah.

So he's like, what world do you think they're from? I mean, they, they, they all want it. They all want to be healthy. They all want world leaders to teach you up straight up, call you right up. Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

“I mean, I mean, it's like from every, are you at liberty to say or not, keep it?”

I can't. Yeah. I had a task. Yeah. I mean, there was like this moment where she being and Putin, they had this hot

mic issue a couple months ago where they're both like, yeah, like, you know, it's like, we should be able to lift like 150 years old. I remember that. Yeah. So it's like, it's on their minds, they're like, it's clearly in the zeitgeist.

And if you're in that circle, as I've watched this, like, it's funny in the world of status and power, the, the new status marker is health. Like, that's what gives people power. Like, now like having a big bank account, sure it's cool, whatever, but like, it doesn't matter as much.

So it really is like this big zeitgeist change on what it means to be powerful in society

and have status. So I love seeing it. Like, the more that happens, the better off. Do you have competitors out there, are there other use out there that you start to run across from different realms or different countries or whatever?

I mean, like, anyone who's trying, I love it. Like, I'm a very much a yes and kind of guy, like, anyone's out there experimenting. Great. Like, do your thing, be beautiful. So yeah, I really try to encourage everybody, people will call me and they'll be like,

I'm going to beat you like your markers and my great, I will help you. And I like, I will make you better.

“Like, I will, you have to make, make the same mistakes that I have.”

So we're just, when you think about it, we are, the whole situation is still fucked up. We're on planet earth in the middle of space. What is even going on? Right? And it's like, this is so crazy.

Like, the fact that we're conscious is so cool, the fact that we're alive is so amazing.

Like, why wouldn't we do absolutely everything in our power to keep this game going? Like, I don't want it to stop. Yeah. And so like, to me, it's a cool game. It's like, celebrate everybody who's trying to embrace life.

And like, honestly, give fucking rid of everybody who's trying to kill us. Like, stop it, stop the fucking killing. It's so crazy and stupid. Have you had to separate some relationships because you're journey went in this direction, yep, my friends are more like me than I ever would have guessed now.

Like, they go to bed on time, they see it. So I'd say my friend group, we now do things together. And so no, I don't miss out much. Like, there's, there's some things like, for example, Grimes did a, she did a DJ set and she started it one.

So I went to bed at 7 p.m. I woke up at 9.30 p.m. And then I went out, did her set with her, with them went back to bed. I did it with Aoki as well. So like, I've been trying to be balanced of like, be rigid. Also, the rest of the world parties at one o'clock in the morning. So, and I still had a great sleep score.

I still got my restorative sleep. So like, I have tried my best to go after this goal of don't die, but also like, try to find some compromise and do things that are currently normal in today's society. Do you feel addicted to wanting to, to not die?

I mean, probably, right, like the same way like our, our people addicted to making money. Yeah, you know, our people addicted to social media. Yeah, like, like, the human conditions, kind of addiction. So like, am I, yeah, I'm lost in this. I, I don't they have ever felt as satisfied and fulfilled later now.

Well, I've got a fantastic family, I have a fantastic partner. I love the game I'm playing. I just, you know, I, I went through a 10 years of chronic depression. Like, legit wanted to kill myself. And I would have done it, had not been for my kids.

So like, I know what shitty feels like. Like, when you're just like, you're so buried deep. And it's like, I don't know how many days out of this. Like, it's just bad. What started the cause of that, you think?

I had a couple of things.

And so we weren't sleeping.

“It was like six months of total sleep deprivation.”

I was building a start up. So I had no money. I was stressed out of my mind. My partner wasn't working. So I was a sole provider.

And so it's just like no sleep and start up and no money. And like, I think it just got me. And then once it got me, it's very hard to wrestle you way out of it when my circumstances didn't change. I guess still had no money.

I still had to make my, my start up work. And so then I just got deeper and deeper. And then like, it just kind of cascaded into like really bad shit. So I'm so grateful. I didn't commit suicide.

No. So how much does the, you take care of yourself so much physically. You have so much information about that. How much, how much are you able to attach your mental to that as well? Or what do you notice about the physical mental relationship?

Yeah. That if when people, so right now, if somebody is suffering from anxiety, depression, or something else, the first move mostly is to take a pill. Right. Like, get on some kind of, yeah. And so the first move is really to fix your sleep.

And the way to fix your sleep is to lower your heart rate, lower the heart rate. You have your last meal the day, like do all these different steps. Now that's not going to fix everybody's issues. But having good sleep in place is the most powerful thing anybody can do in their life on any condition.

“And then once you have that in place, like if you need to look at other options,”

cool, but most of the time, people don't look at the very basic things. Like, are you in a bad on time? Like, when are you reading that last meal, what's your heart rate? So I have found that when my body is operating well, my mind operates well. That's a very symbiotic relationship that you literally are what you consume.

You know, sort of media, food, all the above. And so I don't talk about mental health as directly. I talk about get the basic right and you see the boost in your mental health. Like, like I talked to entrepreneurs, I'll say in the room like over half of you are in a current mental health crisis.

And the room always goes dead quiet, they know I'm right.

I see it in the eyes, right? Like, they had a happy face on, they had a smiley and like, yeah, I've got this going on, but inside they're dying. Yeah. And you know you can feel it.

And so when I say that, and I punch it, it's like, that's true. Like you guys, like, it's not good to build a company when you're suicidal, right? Right? Like no one's winning here. So like get your shit together.

You can build a great company. You can be ambitious. You can be epic. Like sleep. And like, so that's really, I wish somebody would have been in my life to tell me that.

Like, hey man, I see you're ambitious, like, yeah, big plans for life, but like, let me just kind of help you, because I'm basic right. Yeah, having somebody mitigate, having somebody help you set some parameters. It's just so hard. And it's hard to believe.

It's like, you know, I remember grinding so hard for a few years, and I had like a mental breakdown kind of, like, this is about four or five years. You got almost a little bit of felt something snap on my brain. Yeah. Me too.

You remember the day? The moment? Yeah, I remember, yeah, I do remember, I had some shows that were in, they were up in California. They were, yeah.

And I literally had to cancel the day of, never I do that in my life.

I said, if I have to walk out there. I, I physically cannot do it anymore. Yeah. And the whole time before that, I thought that it just wasn't trying hard enough. Yeah.

100%. I would mirror your experience, had the same thing. Yeah.

“Would you do you have to go to therapy or something?”

No, I was in the parking lot in Oram, Utah with my brother in a red Saturn. And I said, he was my business part of the time, and I said, Jason, I was talking to him about like, I'm feeling depressed. I just, like, can't quite do things.

And in that conversation, something, like, snapped. Like, I almost like physically heard a snap, but I'm like, lead to something. Just broke in my brain. And my brother was like, just try harder, right? Like, yeah, you know, he wasn't, I don't think he understood.

If you haven't been depressed, you don't know, but like, I will never, ever forget that

moment. It was like, five, 30 in the evening, it was just sunsetting. And that's like, put me on a 10 year long hole. And so like, you know, I'm so empathetic to people, like, I mean, it is so much more common than we talk, than like, people talk about.

I do think that like you said earlier that when you said a lot, like you were in a, in that meeting and you said a lot of people here are struggling or barely holding on. I do think that that kind of thing is the truth that like, we're all just in the space for pretty close to exactly, we're just holding on. Yeah, that's a much better way of saying it.

But like, but they were so used to surviving at that space too. You start to think that that's supposed to be the norm and it's not exactly right. Yeah. It's very real. And like, it's hurts.

It's a no safe place to go, like, who do you tell us about? Is it safe? Is it not? We be penalized. Yeah.

So it's tough. It's a, and then like, the world is so brutal on you. You can't trust anyone. Everyone's after you, tough space. Yeah.

“The truth is probably just say what is it going on, you know, but it's so hard.”

Last question, with AI, you know, and things are happening so fast and differently now, do you think that that will have a large effect on, on, on, on don't die, on how we can live, on the possibility to live forever, or to have a longer life expectancy. And do you use AI with your own data to help create any sort of real information? Yeah.

This, well, what a lot of people don't know is this entire project I'm doing is about AI. It's not about health. And so what do you mean? Yeah. So I did this.

When I was 21 years old, I had this ambition that I wanted to do something that would be useful to the human race. Like, that was my, I don't know why. But I just, like, I really cared about being useful to humanity. I didn't know what to do.

I wasn't good at anything. I was kind of shitty at most everything.

“And so I said, okay, I'm going to become an entrepreneur.”

I'm going to make a whole bunch of money to my age 30 with money. I'm going to do something epic in the world. And so I did that.

I, by 34 years old, I, I sold my company for $100 million.

But at 34, I was burnt to a crisp, I just smoked. And so I needed to recover. And so, but then I had, basically, this quite open question, like, now I have much money. What do you do?

And so when you have basically unlimited optionality in the world, so I spent 10 years trying to figure that out. And I did one thought experiment which really helped bring clarity is I imagined, imagine, imagine traveling in time to the year 2,500. So a few hundred years into the future.

And there you are sitting among those that exist, like, are the human, they are, we don't know, but they are, they are talking. And they're reflecting on the early 21st century, our time. And they're saying we appreciate homo sapiens that lived in the early 21st century because they did blank that allowed intelligence to still exist in the universe.

What they do? They didn't destroy themselves. And I thought about that question for years. I think they say two things. One is they say that's when homo sapiens gave birth to super intelligence.

The second thing they say is they say the second thing that they'd figured out is that

they wouldn't die, that they transformed society from a culture of die of, like, I will pillage you for my profit, right, or I will yield my way to death to exchange for this to existence itself is the highest value. There's nothing more valuable than existence. And we will do anything to fight for our existence.

And so the principles we talked about today of care, like our society, would be better off if we really cared for each other, if you really could trust each other, like genuinely trust. And so what I'm trying to do technically is when you, it's like pretty technical, entropy is the final boss of the universe.

So entropy is the disorder of things, the second not law of thermodynamics. So eventually, like a warm cup of coffee goes cold, suns burnout, body's die, like things just naturally decay. And so the number one enemy of the universe is decay in disorder.

“And life is a rebellion against disorder, like we somehow survive.”

And so what I'm trying to build, like my whole goal is to say as a species are number one goal is to build a new anti-entropic system, like a new life system that makes fighting for life, the number one goal for all things. And you can measure entropy or death in all things. You can measure in a physical system, you can measure in a biological system.

But you can basically build it computationally.

So that's like a whole bunch of stuff. But the goal is you can measure death. You can build protections against death. You can do it in the body, you can do it in physical systems. You can align yourself with AI.

It's like it's a new ideology. Right. That I want it to become the fastest growing ideology in the human history. That it helps you understand existence. And it's competitive with any major ideology.

So there's like, I need like, honestly, 60 minutes to explain it. Because I know it's like, I just jammed it up. But it's basically a new way to exist that, like, reframes are reality. Well, I do understand what you're saying in the sense that a lot of history, people have lived as if we die. Yeah, right?

Okay, one day we die. There's an afterlife you can live forever somewhere else, you can live extensively somewhere else.

But now how do you live? Yes. Right. And that's a whole reframing of things, right?

But I do understand that that once you reframe it, it's like, oh, wow. Well, a lot more of, yeah, if the afterlife of a lot of it can be here. Yes, exactly.

“Then what rules change for me, what rules change in the world?”

And how does it affect how I play the game really? Exactly. Right. And like the thing of course, don't die is that you can be Christian and don't die. You can be Muslim and don't die. You can be capitalist and don't die.

You can be anything and don't die because don't die just says, nobody wants to die right now. It says nothing about five years from now or 20 years from now. The single thing that every human agrees to in this moment, one thing, nobody wants to die right now. That's it. After that, there's no agreement or anything. And so if you build artificial superintelligence, you're like, what do you do with it?

It's like, help me make more money, help me become better at war, like help me acquire more power. Like what I'm saying is the obvious answer, we say to AI, we want to exist. Right. That's our goal. We don't want to destroy ourselves. We don't want to die individually, and this is not saying we only have mortality.

It's saying we don't want to die right now.

So you're trying to basically just get a piece of cord with all humans and all AI and say,

can we just strike a deal where we have the right to exist? It's like, you and I state said, like, you know, life liberty pursuit of happiness, the new constitution for our new species is the right to exist.

“And that's what this whole thing's about. It's just like the very basic primal desire.”

I want to take one more breath. Because we've almost grandfathered ourselves into this that we don't that we can't. Yeah, that's right. Exactly. It's like if you don't state that as the objective, right, then you point it at profit. If you point it at profit, you inevitably like have the temptation of saying, I'm going to take your life

from my profit. I'm going to give you food, the poison tube, but makes me money. It feels like we're right now. Yeah, it feels like we're definitely part of the uh, you go, all right, I'll give you this, and you go here, then you spend there, and then you go to exist. But um, Brian Johnson, thanks so much, man. Love it, man. It is so much fun. Yeah, this is a super interesting, man.

Can you can you imagine now a stand-up act that would just rip me? Yeah, well, I think, I mean, I think I could think of a couple of things. I could think one, you being on a great roast over there. And that's one thing. They do it killed Tony. They roast. Everybody roast everybody. So it's like this thing. You're just part of the universe, you know. And then I could think of uh, yeah, of a great, if like if there was like a dope roast,

and you were one of the people on that people would have the best joke, but I bet it just adds a lot of fun. So I appreciate you having to say humor about it. Um, what are the, what is a cheat day? Like, do you ever just have one on one line? I did see you had a photo of like the fourth, like a fourth meal or something that you had, that that was up on social media the other day? Yeah. There you are. Just geeked out right there. Um, yeah, I'm trolling. Oh, you're just trolling there. Yeah.

Okay, God, yes, there's some talk about this. I was like, I said, decided to live a little

because like, you know, like it's funny because people are always like, bro, live a little. But

what they're saying is, I want you to die to show me your life. And so like, right, it's just like it's fun. It's kind of true. Live a little in some ways. If we look at it, especially diet, dietitically, or whatever, we're saying, yeah, man, diet, you know, take the, you know, die, die. Yeah, they want me to die. So I just, like, all things I really enjoy playing. People have a lot of fun with me as well. Yeah. But yeah, like, you know, the funny thing is the cheat day thing, man, I don't want to do it.

“Wow, you got in the point where you don't want to do it. That's huge. Was it always like that or no?”

Just got there, like, past couple of years. It took me like a hundred reps. Like you do it. You're like, I'm gonna do it and be fun. Then it happens. You're like, God damn it. It's so worse. It's never worth it. Like it's, it's, I, I learned the lesson. It's never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever worth it. It just doesn't. Like, I don't know the situation where I did something and like, yeah, you know what? No, like, when I did, when I stayed, when I went to bed early, went to the rave in the middle of the night,

I got her dance worth it. Right. But like, you know, fast food meal. Like, so my team right now is where, uh, they're, they're trying to convince me to get drunk on a live stream as an experiment. So like, what does alcohol do to the body? So we do the same thing. We'd measure all the markers. We look at in my impairments. So like, if I, yeah, I would do an experiment like that. Otherwise, I just have fun. Like, no, man, it's, it's miserable. I hate it. Has this challenge your faith has any of the, uh, as it challenged, which, where, where your faith lies?

I mean, because you grew up in a Mormon community, is that right? Yeah. And has it challenged?

challenged any of your beliefs or your relationship with that community? Yeah, I, I, I joke with my,

yeah, my Mormon friends. I'm a better Mormon than they are. I'm, I'm like a best Mormon. You know, like, like, like, you know, because, um, sugar is the currency in the Mormons. Like, you can't do, there's not pre-marital sex. You can't do porn. Like, there's a whole bunch of dudes. You can't drink coffee. Yeah. Right. And so, when you have like a whole bunch of nose, like, it's got to go somewhere. Yeah. So sugar's like, thick, scape route. And so, um, nice. Yeah, exactly, because I,

I didn't mess around with them. But like, the thing is like, the, the, for me, the whole in the world, is that we're in this wacky situation where we're conscious in the, in the universe. Like, what the fuck is going on? So bizarre. It's so bizarre. Talk about it every day. It's so bizarre. And so then, like, given the bizarreness, there's all these ways of people being like, let me explain the situation, right? And like, but like, I don't know, I'm quite more of the

opinion of like, how do we know? Like, what, what, what are we talking about? And so like, but then, if you say like, who says they don't know, it's a very, very, very small number of people who's in it like, atheists, they don't know. But that's kind of like a defeatist mentality. It's like, we don't know, but like, whatever. So like, what's missing in the world is an ideology that's like, we don't really know. And we have gusto. Like, when you're in a religion, um, like, you've got

gusto to serve God and to like, you know, bathe the commandments and like, but like, where does an ideology

“that couples up out of no and has gusto? And that's what's missing in the world. That's what I have”

what I found is like, you, you can intellectually be like legit, pretty hard to know what's going on. Also, like, we can stand up. We can, like, we have power right now. Like, it wasn't before AI,

you're doomed. Like, you, no matter what you said, you're off to death. With AI, this is the first time

ever where human can be like, you know what, I got a strut. Like, I'm going to pull my chest out and like, I feel I feel confident. I can do something. And so like, we're at this brand new thing. And that's what I'm saying. Like, this moment is why we're talking about that. Just because the, the ability that the average person can have now. Yeah. Like, I mean, you look at AI, um, I mean, like, you basically are giving birth to God.

Like, like, we, when we talk about God, if we say like, God, omnipotent, right, on the potent, God, like, like, like, we basically assign these powers of like anything. And on some kind of time scale, AI is kind of that. Like, when it's that and how it's that, like, TBD, but it's like, generally that. And so when you actually have, like, the potential of building like billions of gods or god, like, powers are like, we have imagined, like, why wouldn't you immediately level up

your ambition by like a thousand x right? Because you're taking some of the more practical possibilities of God and making them more usable to the everyday person. Exactly. You're still not able to replicate like a relationship that is like spiritual in nature, though, do you think? Well, why not? I mean, it's just a biochemical reaction, right? I don't know. You think somebody is messaging with like a fictional thing is going to make them

feel the same ways if they feel like there's some connection to us to an actual, like, molecular,

“existing force in the world. I do. I think that basically, you think it's the same?”

Basically, so you are, 70 trillion sales. When Theo Vaughn experiences love or god, or, like, take whatever you think, that is a biochemical pattern. God it. And you can produce it with prayer, with psychedelics, with meditation, with sex, right? Like, there's so many ways to replicate these experiences. So like, if AI is able to develop drugs and/or experiences and/or if we have implants and/or, like, you can, you can basically just map it back. It's, it's very hard to identify

an emergent experience we have right now and not be able to pull back the curtain and say,

here's what happened biochemically. Now, like, I'm open to other ways to explain the world

that you can't find a biochemical signature for, pull the open of that. But in my experience, everything I am, I can see the data. Like, it is a very clear reveal. And so, yeah, we'll humans be able to experience transcendence and, you know, unconditional love and extreme fulfillment of purpose and, like, locked in engagement, yes, like, all those things. And so, actually, I'm very

“friendly towards religions. Like, no matter who you are, no matter what you believe in, great. Right?”

Like, don't die is something we can all agree to. And so, like, if someone says they believe in afterlife, super. Like, you can still have your afterlife. This is not taking away your afterlife. This is just saying, like, right now, we want to cooperate because we love the game of life.

it's still going to be there for you. Like, it's not going away. Right. So, it's really about

“trying to strike. So, it's the same thing about food. Like, I'm not a carnivore or vegan or Paleore,”

or whatever. I'm not anti-religionant, I'm just like, we're all good. Like, everyone, we're all good. We can be together. We can, like, play the game together. We don't need to fight each other.

No one is to be right or wrong. We just want to agree that existence is awesome. Yeah.

So, that's like, just trying to call peace of all intelligence. Let's not fight. No more killing. Yeah. That should be cool. Amen, man. Because I wonder sometimes if, like, when, when kids interact with AI and stuff like that, do they feel like it's like the same as if I, I feel if I'm interacting with a real person, you know? Because yeah, that's sort of if you could ever get that, you know, that kind of hug feeling of like of your God, whoever your God is or something. I wonder if you could

ever get that hug feeling. If, like, something that was, yeah, like, man made or synthetic kind of

“hypothetically synthetic with whatever would be the same. But I mean, I think it's all interesting”

conversation. And, um, and look, man, you're out there on the front lines. You're, like, the only one in your, in this war, like, you're, like, your own Vietnam. It out there. You know, so it's really cool. And I really appreciate your time, man. Tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, how much we said it, what's up? How cool. And, um, yeah, and Brian Johnson, thanks so much, Jude. I'm going to grab some of that olive oil. I do want to get some of it. And, uh, I'll say, I'll send you

some. Well, I'll support man, but thank you. But thank you, even for coming to you and just sharing

“a lot of this with us. I think it's not just, uh, it's not just about, um, milligrams and this. Yeah,”

but it's kind of like a life idea. And it's a change of perspective. Yeah. You know, yeah. So I understand it. Yeah, I love hanging out, man. It was really fun. Me too, bro. I know you said we saw each other at the

UFC. I remember now seeing your face for a second. Yeah. And, uh, but I'm glad to see it again.

We'll have to get to one soon. Yeah. Cool. All right. Thank you, brother. I'm in. Okay.