#647 - Dr. Peter McCullough - Free Transcript | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

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He later became known for his investigations into the COVID-19 response here in America. We're looking forward to spending time with today's guest, Dr. Peter McCullough. And you can move this anywhere you want. If you decide you're in a moving over here, you can move it over there. I have the type of voice you have. Get that device. Yeah, you kind of have whisperer, man. Well, would you like to whisper?

I was racially in the UK, and this woman who's an actress, and got up, and everyone was shouting at the microphone, making their things myself included. Shaky, she got up, and she started whispering, and everyone paid attention.

“Yeah, that's a whisper, and that's how it's a lost art.”

Yeah. But the really the value and everything is so high, you have to think that if you come in at another intonation, if you come in at another level, you have to find an alternate route into people's brains and hearts and stuff, and yeah, whisper and gosh. If we had just like whisper Tuesdays, where everybody just whispered? There was a doctor at Stanford. Back when I was, you know, accepted in academia. His name was Glenn Shirtout. And when he spoke, it was so careful, and he talked like this.

And I remember the sponsors of a big meeting. I was at the National Institutes of Health. I said, what is it about Glenn Shirtout? He seems to be getting all the attention. They said, he appears wise. He has the appearance of wisdom the way he speaks. He may not be wise, but he appears wise. The other thing that helps you, that you and I don't have.

Oh, he brought him up. There's Glenn right there. There he is. Good. Good. Good. Good. We're going to bring people thinking up on the screen. We can. Oh, it's going to be so much fun. Oh yeah. But anyhow, the one thing that my uncle Ivan taught me is that you can double your perceived intelligence

with the British accent. Really? Oh, yeah. You get a British accent. They think your twice as smart as the truth. Twice as smart. I feel like, oh, if I meet a British girl and like, oh, tell me everything. I feel like they just know everything.

Really? Really a book, mom? Have you ever read that book called Culture Code? Culture Code? No.

It's about what's your first impression?

And he did focus groups. It's very scientifically very solid. He said, when you meet a British person, what's the first word that comes into your mind? Good. Oh, with that's all straightened. Oh, um, you almost got it with that girl.

“So if you're going to advertise something to the British, you have to show somebody”

playing polo and it has to be class. Yes. Just finishing a biscuit, you know what?

So how about Italian? What's the first thing you think about when you see, you know?

The Italian first thing. The culture code says, uh, our taste. So you have to Michael Angelo. You have to portray things artistic. What have you? How about American? If you just do this globally.

Like a belch kind of close. America, the conclusion is out of this world. So you want to advertise an American, like, you know, landing on the moon or just doing something completely, you know, Elon Musk, you know, just jetting somewhere.

Yeah, just knocking up people and just blasting rockets in the people and in the space.

Well, culture code is a code of advertising.

And what he said is, if you break the code, if you try to advertise something that goes against what people are thinking, your product is going to bum out.

“So, uh, what's the, uh, what's the culture code word for nurse?”

Nurse. What's the first thing comes to mind, don't you?

Well, close mother. So you always want to show a nurse holding a baby.

What's the culture code for doctor? Information hero hero hero hero, you know, hero going to save your life. This is culture code is written. I think in the 80s or 90s. Yeah, well, here's another one. It fits for COVID. What's the first thing that comes to your mind and you think of hospital?

Safety. Death trap. Death trap. And he interviewed hundreds and hundreds of people did these focus groups. Culture code.

Culture code. It's a, it's a great book. It's a quick read and, and in your business, um, you'd want to, you'd want to, I guess, kind of be in tune with the code.

“Yeah, I think there's some codes that you pick up on people that don't realize, you know?”

Um, but yeah, no, I think it's interesting. Just people are able to examine that like how people operate and how we perceive certain things. And you're a guy that's kind of like, I guess you, the way you've operated is kind of changed over the past few years. Maybe I know it's certainly like grown in perception, like your ability to reach people as grown. Yes.

You are a physician scientist. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. And what exactly does that term mean? That means I practice medicine, um, and, you know, I see an examined patient every day, board certified in turtle medicine and cardiology by the national board of physician and surgeons.

So also a cardiologist and a cardiologist. But I'm also a scientist, meaning I, I evaluate, uh, new concepts, I, uh, develop hypotheses. I use the scientific method, and I, you know, if conduct studies, case reviews, literature reviews, analyze data, formulate and analysis, and then come up with opinions. And, and through that method, yeah, I'm one of the most published doctors in a world.

And certainly the most published in my field previously, which was, which was heart and kidney disease. So, um, you know, I came into the pandemic locked and loaded. In 2007, I had, uh, testified before the, uh, congressional oversight panel for the FDA. I had lectured at the European Medicine Association, New York Academy of Sciences. Like, lectured widely at virtually every major medical school in the United States, published seminal papers.

But when the pandemic hit, what I saw within the first few months is, no one was going to the problem.

No one was, uh, you know, when there's a fire or a catastrophe, and, uh, let's say 9/11 in the building is burning. Most people ran this way. But some of these first responders, they ran right into it. And I found myself in the same mode. First few weeks, I said, well, surely Harvard will tell us what to do, or the Mayo Clinic,

or maybe the US government. Usually the government on medical things is a laggard. They're not a leader.

“So, if we had a new cancer problem, we wouldn't say, well, what does the government say?”

The government is behind academia, got it. Within a few months of being into the pandemic, I said, listen, you know, I need to do my part. I know other doctors in the hospital doing their part.

And I devised the first treatment protocol of how to treat high-risk patients.

We're talking elderly patients, patients with a heart disease, lung disease, kidney disease, at home, with very intensive therapies and oxygen at home, to avoid too bad outcomes hospitalization and death. And that became copyrighted as the McCulloch protocols. Published in the Mayo Control Medicine in 2020,

immediately I was called before the US Senate. I appeared in November of 1920. And so, the Association of American Physician and Surgeons, a leading doctor's group did pick up the McCulloch protocol. He became a standard of care.

The principles we became standard of care when because it was --

Oh, it became early standard of care in 2020. For high-risk patients, we immediately organized telemedicine units. And it was the McCulloch protocol that kept the hospitalizations down. Remember, there were projections that we were going to overrun our hospital.

“Oh, yeah, there were like emailing people, like do you have a place we can put body to your house?”

I had patients in their 90s with pacemakers and heart failure. And we got going early with the McCulloch protocol. We start with getting fresh air, nasal sprays and gargles, neutrosuital goals. They all played small roles.

Initially the first year we used hydroxychloroquine as our anti-viral and antibiotics and other drugs.

Second year, I've remectin. And then third year, we actually used Paxlov, it came in the third year. And malnipair, we used those drugs. But I have to tell you the winner was I've remectin. For sure, for sure.

But I think cortical steroids, prednesome, played a huge role. Anti-inflammatory, drug calls, culture seem we use widely today. And then anti-thrombotics. What was the McCulloch protocol? What went into it?

What were you basically advocating for people? I was saying that if we got behind on this illness, it was becoming clear we can't start treating when people are sick enough to go in the hospital. They were virtually every death occurred in the hospital. So McCulloch protocol said there's two bad outcomes hospitalization and death.

And if we can treat up front and never go in the hospital, we'll get through the illness.

Now I did an artificial intelligence search recently, which is a great use of AI. And I asked AI, tell me what percent of the world's population contracted COVID. And it searched every single database and would have you. And the number it came up with was 90%. Wow.

Now the pre-program bias that still left in AI is promotional of pandemic fear, where you're still at risk promoting vaccines. And doing everything it can to tell people they have no other options. It's pre-program. Is that true?

Yes, true. Let me give you an example.

“If you go to a rock and you say, who's Dr. Peter McCulloch?”

It'll say, well, Dr. McCulloch is a cardiologist and it'll go on and on. He'll say, but he's a conspiracy theorist. And he was lost as poor as certifications. It'll start saying all these, I said, listen, just say who it is. Don't put in any defamatory comments, just give them the straight facts.

I'm the most published person on the pandemic period in the world. Okay. And so if you actually tell Grock, stop all the BS, it'll do it. With alter AI, you don't have to do that. So at McCulloch Foundation, I started the foundation.

We formed a relationship with alter AI and we pay for it. And we get a clean feed. But I think even co-pilot will come up with the formerly practicing. No, I'm in practice. I just saw patients yesterday.

I mean, look at it. It just goes on and on. Dr. Peter McCulloch. Yeah, formerly practicing as a cardiologist and internist. Wrong.

Because I'm practicing today. He's highly published in medical literature over a thousand publications. He cited tens of thousands of times. He became widely known during the COVID-19 pandemic.

First, early advocacy of outpatient treatment protocols.

Including controversial early use approaches. And for his strong public criticisms of COVID-19 vaccines. Yeah. Okay. Well, this seems, it's getting.

“You know, I think about artificial intelligence, which I think is a huge advance.”

By the way, I'm using it in my practice every day now. Huge advance. One more thing here. His views on COVID-19 vaccines and related topics have been heavily criticized by mainstream medical organizations. Fact checkers and sources like fact check.org.

Which described many of his claims as misinformation or unsupported. Do you know not a single medical organization has reached out to me even for a discussion? And, you know, factcheck.org. That's not a medical organization. No idea what that is.

So the idea is, let's say a medical organization said, let's have a discussion about COVID-19 vaccine complications. Not a single one. There hasn't been a single medical school in the United States. That's even had a grant rounds on this, let alone invite me to present grant rounds. What do you think that is?

That the over that they haven't reached out to you to have a conversation. Has it reached out to anybody? Okay. There is a tremendous. Willful blindness to what's gone on through the pandemic.

There has been no review of lessons learned. What did we learn from the pandemic?

I agree.

It's so wild.

So much information was every day.

It was this. Go here. Get a booster. If you can't get a vaccine.

“Hang your family member out of a window.”

We'll have an archer come by with a vaccine. Like from Pfizer. You know, we'll vaccine them from the road or whatever. It was getting crazy. But yeah, it's kind of wild out afterwards.

There hasn't been as much like, hey, these are the things we learned. This is like what we've learned as a society. What is the one called disease acts? It's going to come out of another bio lab. Shit.

It's going to come out of Miami. I'll tell you that.

Or Galveston, Texas, they got a BSL four lab there.

Do they? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Maybe it's overwhelming. No, it is.

Is it really? They're dealing with some bad stuff down there. Okay. But what that. I want to go back and talk about that.

It's like, well, so this is it right here. Defining disease acts. Well, look at Bloomberg School of Public Health.

“Who's the major funder of Bloomberg School of Public Health?”

Bill Gates. Wow. This is a dream. This is a dream of those who want to vaccinate the world. Is they want another disease acts?

Of course. It's another industrial war complex. That's what this is. Well, you got it. But it's on your bodies.

I do want to say this. And Bill might just be trying to solve whatever he was potentially given his wife. I don't know. That's allegedly. But I will say this.

I want to read this right here. Because you mentioned disease acts. I haven't heard about it since 2018. The mysterious and often misrepresented hypothetical pathogen. Has been at the heart of international pandemic preparedness efforts.

Just that sentence alone. When you look at that sentence, look how bullshit. Look how front loaded and vague it is. Since 2018, this mysterious often misrepresented hypothetical pathogen has been at the heart of international pandemic preparedness efforts. Like we're so prepared for we don't even for something that's super vague.

It's just like you can feel it setting you up for something. Well, let's go to Cepe the coalition for epidemic preparedness and innovation. It's founded in 2017 by the World Economic Forum and Bill Gates and Cepe. In its business plan in 2017 says there's going to be a series of these pandemics. One after another, come in and lock hurricanes.

And for each one, there'll be only one solution. Mass vaccination. And Cepe is a vaccine incubator. They're going to be ready. Let me tell you.

Vaccines and pandemics is big business way more than pro sports way more than anything else you can think of. It's huge business. And in this world of we don't hear about other forms in this industrial complex. Now other things now outside of biological threats. And then counter measures, which is a military term, which are vaccines therapeutics in protective equipment.

But the idea is these are so richly funded. They're so richly funded that the entity that holds the threat and holds the antidote. They hold power. Can you imagine the negotiating power you would have if you said, hey, listen. I got COVID-20 locked and loaded right now at an undisclosed location.

Can get the whole country sick. We want a little better tariff situation.

“Can you imagine the negotiating power and Peter Dassick, who's part of this whole conspiracy to create SARS-CoV-2, when he testified in the House representatives?”

He said, I left a whole bunch of samples back and we'll hand. That's the way I'm confused. What was he doing there? Peter Dassick was the go-between between Dr. Ralph Barrick at your son North Carolina Chapel Hill, who devised the virus and was publishing on it. And the federal government, Dassick was at the EcoHealth Alliance.

It's a go-between organization that was shuttling money for Barrick's projects over to Wuhan. Dassick had been to Wuhan many, many times. He knew that lab well. To create the virus, you mean. Correct. Let's back up one second. I was going to look at Cepi who created Cepi, bring that back up.

Cepi was a world economic forum in the Gates Foundation. You'll find I think the government of Germany and India, I believe, was involved as well.

But this is a richly funded multi-billion-dollar organization.

You just can't imagine how big these things are. Oh, I can totally, you know, you look at the industrial war complex. And now you start to see it's the industrial medical complex. That's the new one that really seems like it's spread over the past one year. Correct.

Right here. Cepi is the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, a global organization focused on accelerating vaccine development. Okay, sorry. It was created in 2017 through a partnership between the governments of Norway and India.

The Welcome Trust and the Bill of Middle Indigates Foundation. Yep. And go back to disease acts. I want to just read what it was really quick.

By the way, Cepi has got a big disease ex-section.

They have a whole weight paper on it.

Wow.

“Disease acts is a placeholder concept that refers to a pandemic pathogen that has not yet been”

characterized. How big is that? Like, hey, it exists, but we don't know what it is exactly yet. But we have a vaccine for it. It's purposes to encourage proactive thinking about pathogens that could cause a pandemic.

Oh, so disease acts isn't an actual disease. It's a plan? It's a plan for a disease. So disease acts was SARS-CoV-2. It was a planned disease.

And here we are. It was a plan.

And, you know, my first book, Courage to Face COVID-19, we expose Cepi.

And what we call a biopharmaceutical complex. You called it a bioindustrial complex, same thing. But there has been a cartel that's formed. It's very powerful. And it's probably back 2004's probably when it started with the bio shield act.

But it includes World Health Organization, World Economic Forum, Gates Foundation. Welcome, trust. The Rockefeller Foundation. Cepi, Gavvy, Unitate, all these organizations all organized to essentially plan for eight pandemics and then respond to them.

“And that's how COVID-19 ultimately, it's essentially known now.”

This was not a spontaneous thing from nature. This was planned. What's the number one piece of evidence that makes you feel like it's known that it was planned? Well, I think the best source of all of the evidence is Peter Bregan's book, COVID-19 and the global predators. We are the prey.

I wrote the introduction for it. But he goes back again to about 2004, the bio shield act, where he outlines 36 pandemic preparedness planning events. 36 historically. He's got a wonderful timeline. And of those, two dozen provide written documents.

You can just read them, including one of them's the prep act in 2005, which says there will be a pandemic. And we'll have one, 2005, that was a Bush administration, HHS said listen, we're going to have one. And when we do, we're going to have countermeasures. And when we roll out these countermeasures, you better take one. And there is a complete freedom of liability.

But 24 of them provide written evidence. And then six of them are filmed. You could just go watch them. So is he kind of a whistleblower do you feel like? He was a whistleblower back in the days where we're essentially prosak wiped out, you know,

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“Our book Courage to Face COVID-19, I think, outlines who this complex is and what they're doing.”

This is medical industrial complex. Yes. Yeah, who is it exactly? Hang on, people have said, wait a minute, it's a big pharma. I disagree.

I think the pharmaceutical companies and the Invitro Diagnostic companies and the gown and mask companies.

They're suppliers to the complex. The complex is this organized group that in many ways they have bad intentions. And look at the last world economic forum meeting. They play a big role in this. It was one of the speeches where they said, you know, COVID-19 pandemic was a test of human compliance.

They just come out and say that. Was it just written or did someone speak that? Someone say it. Yeah, let's put a world economic forum. The pandemic was a test of human compliance.

But the point I'm making is that there's a lot of interest in this whole field. We have divisions. Here we go. Who said that?

No, the world economic forum did not describe the pandemic as a test of human compliance.

Test of social responsibility.

“Key details from that and related WF publications include test of social responsibility.”

Article explicitly stated that COVID-19 was the test of social responsibility. Siding the fact that people worldwide complied with the unimaginable restrictions. Well, it's pretty close. Oh, I don't think that it felt certainly like a psychological experiment. I mean, one of the things I was going to ask you is, what do you feel like they learned from this?

Like what valuable information was taken away, like whoever these powers are that be, you know? Well, I hope that they learned that when they have a vaccine, that's an epic failure. But that's permanently going to set back aspirations for future worldwide vaccination. Now, this vaccine would have worked. And everyone took it and COVID magically went away and just everything cleared up in a month or two.

And there was nobody was sick anymore and there was no side effects. These guys would have been heroes, right? Remember Bill Gates comes out in April of 2020 and says, "This pandemic doesn't end until virtually every person in the world takes a vaccine." How does he know?

It's April of 2020. Vaccines. Right. Who knows what's going to happen? Right.

“If you have a strategy, then of course, that's what you're going to say.”

Well, Gates Foundation in the Bloomberg School of Public Health. In 2017, hold a planning seminar. It's called the Spars pandemic. SPARS pandemic. It's at Johns Hopkins.

And it says, there's going to be a coronavirus pandemic in 2017. Right. Now, they held it in 2017. They thought it was going to hit in 2025. Okay.

It hits in late 2019. Then, and this is one of the ones that was well documented as a planning event. And then, event 201. Come on. That's November of 2019.

What is event 201? Event 201 was, again, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. Gates Foundation. They have a meeting. They said, "We are really going to have a coronavirus pandemic."

They bring over George Gau, who's the Chinese CDC director. And he's paired up with others there. Averal Haines is there. Who's Averal Haines? She's a former World Economic Forum associate.

Becomes our Director of National Intelligence under Biden. Really? And she's with George Gau. And they're saying, "Oh, we're going to have a COVID pandemic." And this is how it's essentially.

It's going to be used to railroad mass vaccination on the world. But do you believe that everybody knew that? Do you believe it? A select group knew it? And then they just say, "If I have a devious plan, right?"

I could still go to someone and say, "Hey, this is what's happening." I don't have to say, "I'm the one who's causing what's happening." So, the tough part is when you start to think of like that everybody was complicit.

Like, you know what I'm saying?

That's the part that starts to feel very impossible to avoid.

I don't think that's the case.

“I got to tell you, I was in practice then.”

I had no idea this was going on. Everybody, I talked to my institutions all over the country over Europe. No one knew this was happening. What that -- that -- that -- the point is this was going on. This was in the open.

Got it. No one was paying attention. I bet no one briefed Trump that in 2017 that they're going to -- they were planning for a coronavirus pandemic. I bet there wasn't any briefing. But does it also make sense that as our world evolves and as like biohacking and like research and everything becomes so much more intense and like medicine is evolving all the time and science is evolving constantly.

That's just what it does. That there would be -- it would make some sense to strategize that something like this could happen. Like that maybe we've moved on from like actual like -- like huge wars on land and then it's going to become more like.

“Yeah, I remember years ago you would hear like, oh, the next war is going to be in the water or it's going to be in the air.”

Right? It's going to be a virus. You would hear stuff like that a lot, like just kind of randomly. Well, there's movies, right? There's movie contagion and all these other movies.

What experts will say in infectious disease and vaccinology is that the reason why we have to have bio labs is we have to get ahead of nature. So nature sooner or later is going to throw us a really bad bug and we're susceptible to these. In the case example, they use the Spanish flu. In my book on vaccines, we spend a lot of time on the Spanish flu, which was very unique. Yeah, post World War I.

We have young men in Army barracks. And remember influenza doesn't directly kill people. What kills them is the secondary staff of Coca-Cola pneumonia. And that's what they die of. The point that was made though is that listen, we could have another Spanish flu. And when COVID-19 pandemic broke, don't forget, the story line we were told is, oh, here we go again.

It's another Spanish flu. Now remember Anthony Fauci knows it came out of the lab, but they collaborate together to say, you know what, it came out of a fish market.

“In fact, the WHO, when it was asked to investigate early in 2020, where did this virus come from?”

Near Admiral Brett Gerard, someone who went to my medical school in Dallas at Southwestern, he was on President Trump's first task force.

Brett Gerard nominates three US scientists to go to Wuhan. The WHO says, no, no, we don't want them. We want Peter Dassic. Isn't that interesting? Dassic, who knew, in fact, he was shuttling the plans over there.

So Dassic goes over to Wuhan and he looks around. I don't know where this virus came from, but it definitely didn't come out of the lab. He had bent to the lab dozens of times. He shuttled the plans over. Anthony Fauci was well aware of this.

They started covering up their emails. Ram Paul's got a great book called Disception. He has every single one of these events in it. But the point I'm making is that those in this field, keep saying, listen, there could be another Spanish flu. We must get ahead of this.

However, with the 2004 bio shield act in the 2005 prep act, the governments got in the game of bioterrorism. How did those acts allow them to do that? Well, what happened was we had the anthrax scare, which largely looks like it was a deranged government worker at Fort Dietrich, who was working on the anthrax vaccine for the military. And there has been lost enthusiasm for this vaccine based on safety.

And so he actually sent some letters to Lahi and other people in Congress. Some people got sick. To this day, not a single soldier has died of anthrax because an enemy shot an anthrax capsule the other way. It's all been, you know, this event... Yeah, social events.

Yeah. So, what happened with anthrax? Well, there's another great book with, there you go. Letters containing anthrax force were mailed as several news media offices and the Senators Tom Dassel. Yeah, actually.

Patrick Lehi. Patrick Lehi, killing five people in the same numbers. But what I'm saying is the anthrax scare. And SARS 1, the SARS 1 outbreak led to this idea. Wait a minute.

First off, this could really happen.

We should be prepared.

That's the reason why it's called the prep act.

We should be prepared. And our governments should get in this game. So the military got in the game with a unit called DARPA, DARPA. And the National Institute of Health got in this game with a unit called BARDA, BARDA. And these are pandemic preparedness units.

Well, as they churned over time, there's funding of biolabs. And let's see how we can make this organism more contagious. And with this work, and let's test it here. And they got to BARDA. BARDA got to the point of, well, let's take a human coronavirus of which there's four that we can get as a common cold.

And let's take the spike protein, the surface of it from a bat. And then start to play with this until it can lock in with the human receptor called the ACE2 receptor. And invade humanized epithelial cells in animals. And when they did that, it will hand.

It basically killed the animals.

They said, ooh, now we've got a real. We've got, we took something benign, which is a coronavirus. And we've made it potentially lethal. Now, in those papers, 2015, in what papers? In pre-reviewed papers, 2015, nature communications.

In 2016, in the proceedings in the National Academy of Science, the first author is Manicherry, ME and A, CHERY. Those two papers describe primordial SARS-CoV-2 and 2015 and 2016. This is published. These are high level peer reviewed journals. And the title of the paper is a SARS-CoV coronavirus.

W-I-V-1 will hand institute a virology one. Virus poised for human emergence. So here they are in these papers, and you can pull them up. Poised for human emergence. So they were announcing to the world.

This isn't my field. I wasn't meeting this.

“But was this a good guy saying this or was this a bad guy saying this?”

These are the guys who were working. This paper was done. The work was done in the Wuhan Institute of Irology. Okay. They say it's gain of function research. But it was grandfathered in because it was started before the Obama ban on this. And we took it over to a hand.

They thanked the Chinese for their collaboration.

Now, the second paper that came out a month later in the pre-season edge Korean sciences,

they actually put the Chinese authors on. So this was in many ways in the infectious disease community, in the open. Now, this paper, by the way, when the US government funds work like this, they must put the genetic code of the new virus they created in a central data bank. Did they do that? No.

And when Ralph Barrack was interviewed on this in 2021, they said, "Wait a minute. Did you submit your genetic code?" The virus does it match your code from here. He says, "Well, I've had a discussion with the National Institute of Health, and we believe it's a national security issue, and we are not going to release it."

“Now, his virus didn't have in it a key part in the spike protein called the fearing cleavage joint.”

And it looks like that was the final thing that was added later. We hear about spike proteins a lot. What is that? The spike protein is a spike, or this projection on the surface of the virus. The ball of the virus is called the nucleocapsid. The red part shown there is the spike protein. Okay.

The ball itself is benign. That's not going to kill you. The all the lethality in SARS-CoV-2, what killed people, and some people truly did die of this, was the spike protein. The spike protein allows the virus to inject itself in the body. We sacrifice the part of the spike protein near the ball, the S2 is sacrificed, and S1 goes into the body. Now, that's with the infection. The vaccines, Pfizer and Moderna, are the genetic code for the full spike protein.

So you take one of those vaccines. Now, the genetic code is producing the full length spike protein in the human body. Was there a moment do you think when they plan to unleash the virus or did it just naturally sort of enter society?

“Sort of like that's why I'm a little bit confused.”

Was there like a day like a day of sorts where it's like, okay, this is when we're going to just unleash this virus into the world? Or do you think it was unleashed on accident? Like what is your thoughts on that? You know, I don't exactly know, but I have listened to many opinions, and one opinion who I think is on target is former CDC director Robert Redfield. He believes it leaked out by accident, summer of 2019. Accident, it just seems so, it feels like there will be so much security around something like this.

No, no, there are. But if everybody's keeping it a secret, listen, we've published this on my subject.

Focal points, Nikola Foundation.

There's over 3,000 bio labs.

Do you know they have been hundreds and hundreds of weeks? This one down in Galveston, there's been a ton of leaks. In Galveston, Texas? Sure. The, these labs require bio security level four.

“Means you have to wear a hazmat suit, and they use reverse ventilation, would have you.”

All you need is a ventilation system going out, someone's spilling a test tube, someone not being careful. And the bi-dimministration in 2024 and the summer of 2024 publishes legislation. And it's concerning pathogens of pandemic potential that are dual purpose. It's very important. I'm a little confused.

And what that means is we are in the business of creating pathogens that can create pandemics. But they have a dual purpose to get the world sick and to create vaccines. I see what you're saying. So they're able to create a pathogen now that can get you just sick enough, you're saying.

Get the whole world sick. Now that's kind of tricky.

Because there have been no recent reports of community wide leak or environmental breach from the bio labs in Galveston as early of 2026. In February 2025, five reports disclose that there were three incidents in 2024 where researchers were potentially exposed to infectious agents within the high containment labs. The Chaperovirus, a lab worker actually punched their finger with a needle while handling infected guinea pig. Shout out guinea pigs all of them. Chapera is a rare deadly hemorrhagic fever virus.

And through acts were also cited in the annual YS-50 summer release. And containment status in all three cases, the incidents were contained inside the lab. So let's go do the focal points.com. We're going to have to start going to the original papers because you're getting snowed. On our official touch, you're getting snowed.

Okay, now so do the search button up there and type in a bio lab leak. Galveston? No, it'll come up. Okay.

Let's pick any one of those.

Just pick the UNC Chaperov. That's it right there. Click on the link right there. And this is what I do. I just go from the original papers.

None of this.

“I think because a lot of AIs that was Jim and I think a lot of AIs.”

You just don't know what they're doing. You're getting snowed. The illusion of bio safety during SARS-CoV-2 research, multiple apparent occult lab acquired infections identified under BSL three conditions, premier US labs. And so we're starting to get the idea that these labs are not infallible. And you know, Trump has actually stopped federal funding of these.

But they're richly funded by foundations like Gates Foundation, Rockefeller Trust, welcome trust. And they're big business for universities. Do you know that not a single state has done an inventory of their bio labs? And I'm on the Senate Committee for Arizona. And they ask, "Well, Doc, what can we do to do better next time?"

So why don't you do an inventory of what universities are running bio labs? Wow. So there's bio labs on college campuses right now. You know, for sure. And some of them handling and like pretty severely infectious diseases.

Yes. Really? Go back to which ones do you know? Go back to focal points. And I want you to pull up when I did search on this.

And do a pandemic potential dual. You're going to get the Biden minutes. There we go. Click on the top one. This is the government just scroll down.

This is the government work. On pandemics, this is the bio weapons convention. In 1975, it says we shouldn't be in this business. So they calm biological threats. And just go down.

The Biden administration put out a guidance on this. Of this dual use potential. And it's a 31-page document. And it's very minimal oversight. Listen, if you were making a nuclear bomb in a university lab,

you'd have the nuclear, or here it is. You'd have the nuclear regulatory commission all over you. Yeah. And here, this is so light, voluntary reporting. Just kind of tell us what you're generally doing.

You know, there was a bio lab that someone found in Ridley, California. There was one recently in Las Vegas. It's been said, I can't back it up. But it said they're all over Ukraine. Well, I am telling you the next threat we have is from a bio lab.

I feel pretty strongly about it.

“Well, I think based on what's happened recently, yeah.”

I mean, I think that would make a lot of sense to say, you know,

America feels super compromised.

I feel like in a lot of, I know how it's shocking.

“And I think we trusted the Red White and Blue.”

You know, you believe that America was this thing for so long. And it may have been at some point. But I feel like the number one thing that I noticed amongst a lot of my friends is that people just feel, this is everyone's questioning everything right now that we don't trust. We don't trust that our country, that our government, that our,

that the entities out there are looking out for our best interest at all. In fact, that they're using us as prey. What, what countries do you feel like are leading the way in fighting for like truth and transparency? Do you feel like? And then with that said, how hard would it be for there to be this world?

Like pandemic, cabal to take over? Has the world ever agreed on anything? No. All hundred ninety-three countries? Ever?

No. Written language, religion? Nothing.

“But suddenly this pandemic comes out and all the countries agree.”

That essentially there's one solution, mass vaccination.

You've got genetic vaccines that have never been used in, in mankind ever.

And we're talking about largely messenger RNA vaccines, Pfizer and Moderna, which are the leads. So we've never used genetic vaccines in the history of man. Never. And so is that true? Bring that up.

These are the first genetic. What does that mean exactly? They're the first human messenger RNA vaccines. It's the genetic code for the lethal spike protein. Got it.

What a gamble. So you have a protein that's been worked on for years and years and years. And it's lethal. It's proven to be lethal. Then we create the genetic code for this lethal protein and inject the genetic code.

With no idea what's going to shut it off. No genetic vaccines such as mRNA or DNA vaccines had not been used in humans before 2020. The underwent preclinical testing in early phase human clinical trials for conditions like influence of rabies. Zika HIV and cancer. But none receive regulatory approval or widespread use prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Well, listen, messenger RNA's been around for a long time. There's a paper by La Lani and colleagues British medical journal. That dates messenger RNA development back to about 1985. Billions of dollars were poured into this by countries all over big companies, care of acts, sanity, bioNTech came along.

Moderna. And there's a love affair with messenger RNA technology. I'm telling you love affair. Can you imagine any protein we want to we can make the code for? Inject it and start making a protein. The enthusiasm for messenger RNA is through the roof.

And when this pandemic came along, it was like go time for those people in the messenger RNA world. And it was a very important development step. And I think it's very unfortunate no one briefed Trump on this. DARPA. A research unit of the military.

“And this one you have to bring up on the screen guys.”

DARPA is basically their their their our governments lab.

Yeah, okay, military got it DARPA has a program in 2012. It's called the Adapt P3 program. They announced in 2012 that our aspiration is to end pandemics within 60 days using messenger RNA vaccines in 2012. So you can bring up. Yeah, click on P3 right there. Okay. Click on that and scroll down. You'll see.

It aims just specifically to develop a scalable adaptable and rapid response platform capable of producing relevant numbers of doses against any known or previously unknown infectious threat within 60 days of identification of such a threat in order to keep the outbreak from escalating and disruptions to the military and homeland. Now click on that next link autonomous. Now roll down there should be a figure. Is there a link there? I guess not. But they literally show messenger RNA in a little life cycle that that's what they're using in 2012.

La Lani, La Lani points out that this has been going on for the longest time as almost as if a technology waiting for a use. And when this rolled out. To me, one of the greatest blunders was that there was no way to shut off this genetic code. And so what do you mean, no way to shut off once it's injected into? Yes. So normally, cells make messenger RNA. So we have our DNA and a DNA codes for a message.

The messenger RNA is made.

And then the messenger RNA is immediately dissolved with enzymes done. And so this cycle goes on and on and on.

So the ability to make synthetic messenger RNA is powerful.

But the reason why the development program stumbled so long is that it was immediately dissolved by these enzymes.

“So Carico and Wiseman, who won the Nobel Prize in 2023, I believe, they came up with a process of replacing one of the base pairs in the code in messenger RNA.”

You're a cell for a synthetic one called pseudo-uridine. Once that happened, they were able to make the messenger RNA indestructible. Human enzymes can't break it down. Now it's game on. So now you Carico and Wiseman, 2023 Nobel Prize. But this is after COVID-19 come out.

And I know, but the work was that don't forget, Nobel Prize is usually granted for 20 years at work. So they were working on this for years. So Pfizer, Mederna, when they went through their decision making on this, and they tried to just replace 25% of the euro cells. Well, it still gets dissolved. 50% still gets dissolved. 75% they finally said screw it, replace all of it.

Let's make it fully synthetic. Well, let me tell you what, this gets injected in the human body.

Yeah, I was alarmed when that proposal was made.

I published an op-ed. Is there any of a fully synthetic genetic code inside of you? Yes. That can't be dissolved. It cannot be dissolved.

That's Pfizer and Mederna. And I published an op-ed in the hill. And myself and Scott Atlas were invited through 2020 to, you know, kind of guide a house in the Senate White House and was going out at the pandemic. And I published an op-ed in the hill in August of 2020. And the title of the op-ed is The Great Gamble of the COVID-19 Vaccine Development Program.

So I called it out. I said, listen, this is a gamble. And when this rolled out, the CDC says, well, it just stays in the arm and it'll be there for a couple days. We have now one of my patients in Dallas. And we've just published it. There you go. The Great Gamble. You're looking at the only public figure in the world who questioned the vaccines before they came out.

The only one. You can't find another person who put it in writing big time before they came out. They came out December. They came out December of 2020. No one did.

Peemack. No one else did it. I mean, the point of making is the entire world was seduced by this technology. For sure. The seduction was overwhelming.

Every country signed on to this. They couldn't wait to do this.

“Can you search that and see if the genetic code that was injected into with the mRNA vaccines?”

It doesn't go to McCullough Foundation. McCullough.fnd.org and get to the link there. But the point is, we have one of my patients. This guy is taken three Pfizer shots. He's had blood clots.

You know, MRI proven heart damage. He's neurologic damage. He's absolutely miserable with these shots. And so we work with the lab in Germany that can actually detect the spike protein and scroll down to our publications you should find it here.

But this is on your own website. Yeah, but it links to the publication. Everything I do is peer reviewed and published. Right. So that's him right there.

Actually, if you want to see him. That's a Steve Kempen. The man right there with the glasses on. He's got Pfizer circulating his bloodstream three point six years after the shots. So that's all.

Since skin, we did skin biopsies. We did two sets of skin biopsies. Multiple sets of blood tests. Okay. And is it the only patient like is you found?

Well, it's the only, it's the only, with every seminal observation. He is the seminal observation. Now, what does that mean? That means the first one is the first observation. There it is.

That's the central figure. This is essentially what we found in Steve Kempen. So this is the work we're doing at McCullough Foundation. You know, Harvard's not doing this. Mayo Clinic's not doing this.

There's sick people who took the vaccine. They are not looking for the spike protein. They're not looking for the vaccine. They're baffled. You know, the Biden administration spent a billion dollars on long COVID.

Never considered the spike protein, which is the cause of long COVID.

When you get the infection, a part of the spike protein gets stuck in your body. You take the vaccine. You get the full length spike protein body. No wonder you feel sick.

“Why wouldn't they be trying to figure it out because there's money there, too?”

It's the most interesting observation ever.

There's no lectures on the spike protein or vaccine injuries.

There's no grand rounds.

There's no primary care updates.

“The Biden administration spent a billion dollars on long COVID research.”

They didn't do a single spike protein or messenger RNA research study. Now we have a new administration in. They haven't done it. No one will look directly at the problem in the entire world. And on top of this, there's plenty of evidence suggesting.

Each viral was different. Each batch was different. Some were super loaded. Some didn't have much in at all. There's tremendous batch to batch variability.

There's plenty of evidence on the spike protein. There's plenty of evidence on the spike protein. There's plenty of evidence on the spike protein. There's plenty of evidence on the spike protein. There's plenty of evidence on the spike protein.

There's plenty of evidence on the spike protein. There's plenty of evidence on the spike protein. There's plenty of evidence on the spike protein.

There's plenty of evidence on the spike protein.

“There's plenty of evidence on the spike protein.”

There's plenty of evidence on the spike protein. There's plenty of evidence on the spike protein. There's plenty of evidence on the spike protein.

There's plenty of evidence on the spike protein.

“There's plenty of evidence on the spike protein.”

I thought about this. How can this be? How can not a single medical school have a spike protein

Project at looking at this?

I picked two prior examples where there is a complete oblivion to a big problem.

The first one was 1860 to 1920.

“What I called the first great cocaine epidemic.”

The drug made by all the pharmaceutical companies was cocaine derivatives. It was in Coca-Cola. I've got a county wine. All the doctors experimented with this. The nurses used it. All the medical journals were publishing effects of cocaine.

Improving energy and jam on. Winged journal medicine. Hallstead, the father of modern surgery. Use cocaine as an aesthetic. It became a brutal cocaine addict.

So did Sigmund Freud? He's on it, huh? Listen, this goes on for 60 years. In JAMA, our US medical journal. In 60 years with hundreds and hundreds of papers on cocaine.

There was one paper by an Irish doctor who said, "I'm concerned this is causing addiction." One in 60 years, a complete oblivion to the addictive potential of cocaine. So you're saying that it's possible. Okay, let me give another example.

1920 to 1978. What I call smoke fest. Everyone smoked. Dr. Smoke, nurses smoked. Everyone smoked people on high society.

Smoke smoke smoke smoke smoke smoke.

“Doctors handed out cigarettes in the clinics.”

Our RGR Reynolds and American tobacco company. Philip Morbs, they had Dr. Rescribes cigarettes? No, they had Dr. a cigarette promotional campaigns with a doctor's handed out cigarettes. They said, "Which ones they thought were the best?"

And doctors claiming smoking is safe. This goes on and on and on.

And finally, Sir Austin Bradford Hill in the UK,

an epidemiologist and Richard Dawl, a medical doctor. Present data in the UK in 1950. And they said, "It looks like smoking causes lung cancer." No, you can't be, that you're smeared. And it discredited debunked. If it was social media,

they would have been canceled. They would have been thrown off YouTube for saying, "That smoking causes lung cancer." They do the physician smoking study. They come back four years later, they said, "Listen, smoking is causing cancer."

In fact, half of British doctors are dying of smoking-related conditions. Still doesn't convince them. United States, this goes all the way to 1964. Luther Terry, our surgeon general, calls a meeting to Washington of the doctors and says, "Listen,

I got the surgeon's general reports smoking causes lung cancer." Doctors were still smoking. They still didn't believe them. In fact, doctors were smoking in the operating room. The clinic, a great book is the Emperor of All Maladies

by Micah J. won the Pulitzer Prize in his first book.

He describes the lead surgeon at Johns Hopkins. Taking out these blackened lung cancers in surgery. And he was smoking all the time when he was doing the surgery and teaching the students, "No, smoking doesn't." The black smoke doesn't cause the lung cancer.

He himself dies of lung cancer, and on his deathbed, he still says a smoking doesn't cause lung cancer. It's not until 1978 before the AMA sheepishly comes out with it. It's first brochure that dangers health hazards of smoking. And it's not until the 1990s before we have the tobacco settlement.

So my point is, listen, if cocaine and the doctors being totally oblivious to cocaine because they were seduced by it, totally oblivious to smoking because they were seduced by it. And now totally oblivious to the hazards of these COVID vaccines. We got three examples here.

What's common to all of them? Self-participation. That is, they did it themselves. Can you imagine if you told a doctor, "Did you take the Pfizer Moderna vaccines?"

Do you know they don't leave the body,

“and they're still in your body now producing spike protein?”

No, and no, I don't know, and I don't want to know. And did you have your wife and your family take it? Oh yeah, I did. And did you tell your patients to take it? Yeah.

Do you know it causes fatal heart damage in blood clots? And autoimmune problems, neurologic problems, stroke and it may cause cancer. It's overwhelming. The average doctor cannot psychologically handle it.

Just like they couldn't psychologically handle it, that cocaine was damaging themselves and ruining their lives, or like smoking was causing the lung cancer. It's the same thing. Wow.

Yeah, I guess when you look at it like that, that it's happened throughout time, that if we've been standing right there in the sun and denying light, it's pretty wild. What is one of those common side effects

that you've seen from the COVID-19 vaccines? Most concerning is fatal heart damage. Mouth carditis fatal. What is my carditis? We hear about it all the time.

People are like, you know, a kid falls down in a soccer game and people are young.

He's got my whole carditis.

You know, you just don't know what's going on.

What is it exactly?

“There was a very important paper by Crosson,”

K.R.A.U.S.O.N. from Harvard. That found in some people who took the vaccines. Found that the messenger RNA is physically in the heart. That's a bad sign.

Whatever you take in the arm should not end up in the heart. So it has a tropism for the heart. It actually has a predilection to go in the heart. So there's Crosson to with the 2023. So messenger RNA is in the heart, okay?

Yeah. Let me see, duration of SARS-CoV-2 and RNA-vaccine persistence and factors associated with the cardiac involvement in recently vaccinated patients. Let me see.

Vaccine was detected in the axillary lymph nodes in a majority of patients dying within 30 days of vaccination, but not in patients dying more than 30 days from vaccination.

So originally it was going to the heart. Read further down. Vaccine was detected in the myocardium, in the heart, in a subset of patients vaccinated within 30 days of death.

I mean, it's at the scene of the crime, okay? Another paper by Bomir, B-A-U-M-E-I-E-R, Bomir found the spike protein in the heart. You didn't have the tech to find the messenger RNA,

but you found the spike protein in the heart. And there you go, that should be Bomir, that's it. So these are images showing inflammation and spike protein in the heart. So here's the point.

The vaccine is in the heart. The spike protein is a heart. When you have inflammation in the heart, the heart is dependent on having a nice, consistent muscle for conduction of electricity.

“That's how our heart becomes a depolarization.”

When you have inflammation, that creates heterogeneity in conduction. And then we can actually get a re-emptient loop, an electrical loop that goes around very, very fast. That's called ventricle tech accordia.

And if that isn't shocked or interrupted, you're going to raise to ventricle circulation and you're down. Now, the triggers we've had mild carditis rarely before the pandemic from various viruses and other forms of inflammation.

It was known then that we can never let these people exercise.

Because if they exercise, the surge of adrenaline through exercise can trigger this abnormal heart rhythm. Wow. It's there are guidelines. So, as the vaccines roll out,

and we've had a U.S. Senate hearing on this, in May of 2025, people start to get in heart damage with the vaccines. And if you look up U.S. Senate testimony, March, May 21st,

2026 Ron Johnson, Peter McCullough. The U.S. government got communications from Israel. Say and listen, we give the vaccine to our soldiers. We got 60 cases of heart damage and two cases are fatal. This came in in February of 2021.

The public health agencies, they all sat on this, the White House sat on this, and they didn't inform the public. And so more people got vaccinated. Then a big bomb hit,

and the bomb hit, that's my opening statement right there. A big bomb hit in August of 2021, where a paper was published from Washington University in St. Louis.

First author is Verma, V-E-R-M-A.

And they describe a 42-year-old man who takes him a Dernishot, develops Maukarditis, gets really sick, goes in the hospital, and he dies right in front of them. They can't save him.

With all the technology that we have, life support systems, everything else he dies. Brutal fatal Maukarditis. And this is New England Journal Medicine. So here's my point.

If there was a new drug on the market, and we gave it to somebody, and they died of fatal heart damage, there'd be product warnings with draws. Doctors would say, "Wait a minute, I'm not concerned."

Doctors showed no concern over this. Outside of me, I saw this. I said, "You've got to be kidding me." This kills a healthy 42-year-old man. If this, if Moderna can kill a healthy 42-year-old man,

with all the technology, and we can't save him, do you know how many people are dying in nursing homes, in athletic fields, and in schools,

“and all over, and how many people are dying in underdeveloped countries?”

But are we seeing an uptick in that? Like, is there any information?

Or would we even get the correct information anymore?

That's, because it starts to get to this place

where like, "Okay, if this is really happening, I'm not seeing people drop dead everywhere, you know?" I'm not hearing that, but also you don't know if the news is factual or not a lot of times. Don't you think you would see it happening in mass

“so that it would really support some of this information that you're saying?”

You'd have to get to a point where people have estimated this. What would be something so significant that you'd see it with your human eye? It's probably more than 15%. More than 15% of the population mean?

You'd have to, you'd have to just see bodies all over the place. You'd literally have to be like, "Oh, man, what's going on?" Otherwise, you'll miss an important signal. Now, there's 12 studies showing mortality is actually up since the pandemic, not down.

You go through a pandemic, there's a calling effect. There should be, you know, sicker people who die

and therefore the remaining people have a lower mortality

if the pandemic mortality is up. Do you believe that the number of vaccine related deaths is being misrepresented? Yes. So, let's go to OpenVairs, OpenVairs, OPENVAERS.com.

Click US data. Okay, this no-beens challenge this. This is presented in the US Senate multiple times. These are deaths reported to VAERS by doctors like me

“who've already determined the vaccine is a cause of death.”

This is not controversial. I've reported to some of these cases. I've already decided the vaccine cause of death. I filed the test certificate. I've looked at the autopsy.

I've looked at the MRIs. I've looked at all the data. This is not up to the CDC to decide. I've decided. Okay.

16,699 deaths. Okay. Genomony deaths per year come into this system for all the other vaccines combined. 150.

150. 150. Total. Total. Wow.

This is off the Richter scale. And so in Senate and House and Senate and FDA testimony, people say, "Wait a minute. If you don't have the vaccine card and you're not willing to report it, and you don't have all the data, it can't be reported."

So what is the underreporting factor? There's actually a publication on this. But from you, from conservatively, because people are aware of COVID in fatal side effects, the conservative estimate is 30. And in my publications, I use 30.

30,000. No, 30. It's an underreporting factor. Meaning, this 19,699 is probably underreported 30fold. So the true number of vaccine deaths is between 500 and 600,000 deaths.

Wow. And how do you get that? 30x. Well, there's a paper by Lazarith that said it's 100. It's 100fold underreported.

People said, "No, people know about these COVID vaccine." So we are reporting more deaths now than other vaccines. But it's 30fold underreported is conservative. But even if there's no underreporting, 19,699.

“What if we had 19,699 people die from a new energy drink?”

Yeah. People would be outraged. Like primer, whatever. You know, we have a couple of people die in a building collapse. It makes the news.

You know, you have Nancy Guthrie, plus her heart. She's abducted from her home. It's on the news for weeks on end. Yeah, cats. Patel can't even find her.

He's all party. No, but what I mean is, we did hockey. One death is too many. But here we are. Here we are in that 19,699.

Yeah. Are these in your face deaths reported in the peer-viewed literature? And one that really caught my eye is by Gill in colleagues. Gill archives a pathology. This is terrible.

This is two boys. They're teenagers. They die after taking Pfizer. And they're found. They're found in their beds.

Dead at home by their parents. They get autopsys. They bring an expert pathologist. It's conclusive. They died of taking the Pfizer vaccine.

Healthy young adolescents. We read this. Clinical in autopsy investigation.

The two teenagers boys who died shortly following administration in the second Pfizer

BioNTech, COVID-19 dose. The myocardial injury seen in these post-vaccine hearts is different from typical Myocarditis. And as an appearance, most closely resembling a catacolymine mediated stress. Carding on myopathy.

Understanding these instances are different from typical Myocarditis and that cytokine storm has a known feedback loop.

Do you want me to translate?

Yeah. Okay.

I mentioned that electrical loop you're talking about.

Right. I mentioned the vaccine is in the heart. The spike protein is out there's inflammation. But what triggers the cardiac arrest is a surge of adrenaline. That occurs on the plane field during athletics.

It also occurs between 3 a.m. and 6 a.m. during the normal waking hours of sleep. Called the waking hours. That's what happens. So the pattern of vaccine deaths has been during sports and athletics. And then dead in bed.

These are astronomical numbers. Disciple fact that 150 people of the out of vaccine die of vaccines each year. Right. Is that what you're saying? That's what comes in the report.

Right. And this report is saying that there was 19,000. This is just, which we believe is highly under reported. Right. 19,000 over 5 years.

But I can tell you, you know, by March of 2021, three months into the campaign. There were 1600 deaths. And I was called to the Texas Senate. I said, listen, I'm concerned. I had already expressed concern before they came out.

I'm really concerned. And you can't wait, watch this away.

“And that's what we saw being done everywhere.”

And I've heard ridiculous explanations like, well, these aren't verified. Well, who's going to verify them? The doctor has all the way. Yep.

When I do a virus report, the first three or four pages is all about me.

Who are you? Who's making this report? Where's your name? What's your address? What's your email?

What's your office address? What have you? Okay. Then the next several pages are who the patient? Who are they?

Who are their relatives? Was there, was there email? What's their address? The CDC has all of this information. On 19,000 deaths.

Do you know how many people the CDC is actually called to, to kind of do a study? Zero, mom. They're sitting on 19,000, 600 deaths. They have all the information. They didn't even, they didn't even send a, you know, a, a,

I'm sorry, card. I mean, let alone do a study. I mean, to think that the center for disease control worse. There were so disease. We're one of the most disease countries in existence.

How they're even still allowed to function to me is just beyond me. I think most people, I'm, I'm seeing it. I've taken people that want to give birth in home. People that do not want to go to the hospital anymore. People looking for home remedies, homeopathic type of remedies.

People trying to get off of their antidepressants. I mean, I think it's one of the largest resurgences. There's more people getting into home schooling right now. Yes. Right now.

Then there was during COVID. Right. If you think about that, that's unbelievable.

“That's how much people do not trust any of these entities anymore.”

Well, have you heard that there's measles outbreaks everywhere? I haven't seen it. Yeah. It's all over. Oh, my gosh.

Go true. Well, it, you know, there are, now there's one of the social media platforms. Try it. It's called threads.

Do you know what threads is? It goes, oh yeah. So go on threads. I don't think we have a threads account though. Oh, I do.

But anyhow, you go on threads. You are, every time you turn around, there's a measles update. Another measles outbreak. Another measles outbreak. That's interesting.

That's where it's at too. Nobody's even on threads. So, um, so of interest. We have about a thousand measles cases so far this year. And, and, and average years about two thousand nine states.

There have been 40,000 distinct press pieces on measles outbreaks. Wow. And 75% of those encourage taking the measles vaccine. So, this is interesting. And so, and by the way, in the pieces,

they blame RFK and Trump. Now think about this. RFK and Trump have been in office for a year and three months.

Uh, a baby doesn't come up for the first measles vaccine until about 18 months of age.

So, the measles cases are seen now. And so, the most ridiculous thing is, um, they'll say measles outbreak hits college campus. So, why don't you type in measles outbreaks? There have been some of the measles cases on college campuses. And they'll say, uh, you know, the blame RFK and Trump.

Say, wait a minute. That kid, that kid's vaccine decision occurred 15 years ago. How can they blame Trump? And so, um, there you go. It's a university in Florida.

Oh, yeah, Florida. You mess Amherst. I've called something over there. Okay. Okay.

But so, here's another point. There have been measles outbreaks recently in the UK.

“So, in the UK, well, how can you blame Trump and RFK?”

It's the UK.

They have a different vaccine schedule.

So, here's the point I'm making is, um, and I wrote a sub-stack on this recently,

“that, um, if you go to thefocalpoints.com, I'll give you the update numbers.”

Um, that we have a situation where testing has been ramped up for fold. Now they're just doing PCR testing for measles all over. And it turns out, the measles vaccine is in perfect. So, in a paper by Bianchi and colleagues, they found about 20% of people to take the measles vaccine.

They don't have any acerologic protection. I'm one of them. I took the first shot. I took a second shot. I went to medical school.

I just got a blood test. I had a take. I took four measles. I still don't have any. I guarantee if I got exposed to measles, I would get it.

Um, but it's so, it's not perfect. But the measles is being used as an example to try to, in this whole vaccine promotional world, which is divided people into vectors and anti-vectors. Have you heard that one?

For sure. Are you an anti-vector? Um, no, I mean, I got vaccines when I was young. I didn't get the COVID one. But I don't, I'm curious about the science.

“And I think I don't trust the entities that tell us the things we need to do to take care of ourselves anymore.”

So, I think everything should be put under a microscope right now. Yeah. And I think people should trust their own decision making. And if that's wrong or right, then at least you as a human can live with that. As opposed to feeling like you may have gotten poisoned,

because then that's out of your, then that's not your choice, really. Well, sure. And, you know, I think the unique thing about vaccines is they've been, uh, and we point this out in my book, they've been, um, proposed to essentially be a savior to humanity

and that you get a vaccine to protect other people. And in many ways, that's, that's a myth. The real reason to get a vaccine is for your own personal protection. So it must be a personal choice. I think it is.

Just like you take a blood pressure medicine to lower your personal blood pressure. You're not doing it for somebody else. You're doing it for yourself. But vaccines have been presented that way to mad. This is good for humanity.

And people should do it. And if you're against doing it, you're hesitant. Wait a minute. Vaccine hesitancy. That's actually a psychiatric disease.

Do you know there's 20?

“Yeah, there's 20 scientific survey instruments to assess your vaccine hesitancy.”

If you score above a certain level, you have a disease. No, yes. Bring that up. Vaccine hesitancy. Put up McCullough vaccine hesitancy.

I just published a paper on this. It's on the subject. You'll find everything on subject or my Twitter, you guys. Okay. That's it.

Throughout history, there's always been,

but this is just you writing it. But this is real information. It's peer reviewed. Okay. Throughout history, there's always been a fear of unrelate,

untreatable potentially fatal communicable disease. Immunization has been an advanced and impopulation health that has developed over three centuries. However, fear of side effects is a psychological phenomenon

that has arisen as a substantial issue for the lay public. Vaccine hesitancy. A complex phenomenon rooted in historical resistance to immunization poses significant challenges as a concept to the research and public health communities.

Um, who decided vaccine hesitancy was real. Are you just saying? Eighteen century goes back to the 1700s. Vaccine hesitancy. A complex phenomenon rooted in historical resistance to immunization.

Uh, yeah. And in the paper, I identified 20 different of these measures. You know, there's an Oxford measurement of vaccine hesitancy. That's so great. And it's just, yeah.

So the idea is, it actually, you're considered to have a psychiatric disease. If you are hesitant to take a vaccine. Wow. That's how a fight this has gone.

And, you know, people say, well, it was really hard during COVID. I lost my job. What have you in our book? We point out that this is the late 18th century. Let's say about 1790 or so.

In some of these smallpox outbreaks, or clearly in the late 19th century, you know, 1890 or so. If you decline taking a vaccine or your children, your children go to jail. Families went to jail.

Parents went to jail. This was enormous. This has gone on for a long time now. So while vaccine hesitancy is not an disease. It's helpful.

It is a formal medical and sociobiological term. You used to describe the delay in acceptance and refusal of vaccines. That makes sense. The term was solidified by the WHO Sage working group on vaccine hesitancy, which was established in 2012.

But listen, pull up the statement by the WHO. It should come down here where the WHO says that vaccine hesitancy is a major threat to public health.

They might have been in that first thing you did.

Yeah. It's a major threat to public health. And so vaccine hesitancy is basically put forward as a principle,

That there is top 10 threats to public health if you're hesitant to take a va...

In 2019, the World Health Organization, officially named vaccine hesitancy is one of the top 10 threats to global health. This designation was a landmark moment because it shifted the focus from the vaccines themselves to the behavioral and social factors that prevent people from using them. But. Okay, but I told you about our government covering up.

And this is like in the US Senate, Homeland Security Government follows permanent subcommittee investigations. This is airtight. Our government covered up heart damage with the COVID vaccines. Because they didn't want to promote vaccine hesitancy by telling people the facts.

Well, sure.

“I mean, I think that it's all part of the same thing.”

It's like, well, if we show this, then it's going to make people weary of vaccines.

I mean, in our society, safety comes first.

It doesn't matter how good these vaccines are. It doesn't matter what they could possibly do. If they're not safe, they should go. Oh, well, our safety only comes first to us and sometimes even then it's, but it doesn't. It obviously does not come first.

It doesn't feel like any more to any of these powers that big. Well, the safety come first in automobiles. Yes, because you have all these inspections. Does safety come first when you build your house? You can't get your certificate until things are safe and.

And engineering does safety come first and other areas. Yes, except vaccines because vaccines have become a religion. They are accepted as articles of faith. This has been going on for 300 years. It's, it's a religious thing.

So if you come in and you say something that violates somebody's religious beliefs, you know what they do? If they're nice to you, you know what they do? They give you the highest men. They say, I don't want to talk about it. That's what most of my colleagues do.

Yeah, I don't want to talk about it. And if, if you go further, you know what they normally do? Happen to me, obviously, they throw you out. Yeah, they say listen. You're anti-religious. You're sacrilegious. Get out.

“Well, here's the thing. This wouldn't be on so many people's emotional radar.”

And true thread art if there wasn't some truth to it. Correct. Like that to me is undeniable.

Like I've always trusted my instincts, right?

Sometimes I'm wrong. But over time I hone them in a lot of times, they get very keen for me and I operate well with them. And I assume that's how most people operate. Yes. You mentioned you didn't take the COVID vaccines. Yeah.

I didn't take them either. And according to USA facts, which takes the tabular data from the CDC, the best estimates are that 19% of us did not take the shots. 19%. Now 81% took at least one shot, but only 70% took two shots.

So only 70% got fully vaccinated. Understood. Okay, I'll say this. We had a guy. We had a guy on the last week. This guy James Lee and he investigates a lot of, he exposes a lot of corruption. And he exposes a lot of rich people that are just being like,

David, you know, type of stuff. You know, companies, politicians, all that, you know, he's seeking out like, he's known for investigations into like corruption and fraud. He was working as a consultant for one of these big biotech companies. And he said there was a conference call at one point where,

where a representative from the company was talking about how they had, everyone had been vaccinated that was going to get vaccinated. They kind of figured that. And then there were still a lot of vaccinations left. Was a stock pile of vaccinations left.

And so that they were going to start to push this idea that you needed a further, like, because there was extra, right? Not because they thought that people really needed it, but because there was extra. Do you think something that could be true?

Oh, for sure. Do you know that the pharmacies did not have any blanking period after someone got a shot? So like what do you mean there was no timeline between when

this you get a second one?

Yeah. Well, I mean, you got the primary series as you get one shot. And then two to four weeks later, you get a second shot. But after that, the idea is, well, six months or a year, ultimately it was decided that they were going to be annual shots. But the pharmacies didn't mind giving you extra shots.

So I had some patients came in and they were upstanding citizens. And they said, "Dr. McCullough, we got our COVID shots." And I was like, "Well, boy, you know, I hope you're okay." And I said, "Well, yeah, we're fine." But we're going to go on a cruise.

So we went in and got some extra shots. And it's possible.

“So can you imagine if I was prescribed your drug for a patient?”

And they took, I said, "Take one pill a day." And I said, "Well, it's such a good pill." I think I'll take 20 or I'll take 50 or I'll take 100. Can you imagine me saying, "Well, sure. Just take as many as you want to.

We would never do this.

And so with vaccines, there is a delusional scheme that the more vaccines the better. But vaccines have been helpful throughout history. Sure. So in our book, you know, vaccines, mythology, ideology, and reality,

there's a reality. For sure. So the measles vaccine, that's a good example. It definitely dropped the case kind of measles. But it's not perfect.

So if you took the shot, you still could get measles. So we have measles outbreaks. And on top of that, there's like any drug.

There's always risks and benefits.

So what's the risks of the measles vaccine? This is important. This is another one that's on the senodo server. You guys, we just came out with this. We analyzed how many babies died after the measles vaccine.

They had my mark vaccines since the 1990s. Answer?

“I think there's over 100 kids, maybe 200 kids died.”

From the vaccine. It was a combination of vaccines, but they found them dead in their best in it. How many people died of measles during that same time? About six or eight?

You get the exact numbers if you guys go in the server. So there are risks. That's the point. Nothing is risk free. Let me give another one.

For right there what you're saying is, yeah, it's effective. Yeah, it drops the case count. But you could lose your baby with it. Got it. Okay.

Now, what about chickenpox? I had chickenpox as a kid, but my kids didn't get chickenpox. I took the shots. So chickenpox lowers the case count. Terrific.

But what's the catch? There's always a catch. That's the point. The catch is that now there's a higher rate of adult shingles. If you take the chickenpox vaccine.

So you really just pushing it down the road then. Well, it's a tradeoff. It's a tradeoff. You know, do you want chickenpox? First of all, you get out of school for like two or three days.

And you get, you get permanent immunity.

So there's always a tradeoff.

So there's an important paper in JAMA recently by the Suvian. V-I-S-E-D-U-V-A-N. That said, a large number of parents now are not going to get their kids fully vaccinated. They've seen enough of this now.

“They've been alarming to you or how does that look to you?”

Well, I think it's going to bring us back to a more appropriate use of vaccines. Now, I'm not against use of vaccines. I took every vaccine known to manics up for the COVID shots. I've taken all kinds of, you know, flu shots. My kids took all the vaccines.

So I'm not against vaccines. But I think they're excessively used. And where we're going is what's called risk stratification. That is, there has to be some meaningful risk of disease for you to take the shot. So let me give an example.

If you've had your spleen taken out at a car accident, you've got to take an out or take an out for other reasons. Like my brother and my husband is being taken out. You can die from a pneumococcal infection, a meningococcal infection or a hermophilic infection is called encapsulator organisms.

I feel very strongly if you've had your spleen taken out, you should get those vaccines. Because it's compelling. It's like you don't have a chance. I've seen some patients go down with these infections.

However, if you're young and healthy like you and I, I mean, come on.

“I mean, we're not going to, we're not going to go down with the pneumonia.”

It's just not going to happen. Let me give another example. This came up recently. A healthy baby born where the mother is negative for hepatitis B. The baby is fine.

The baby has zero chance of getting hepatitis B. Until they get into teenage years. And even then they're probably going to be fine. Depends on what choices they make with IV drug abuse and sexual partners would have you. It's just not compelling to give them the hepatitis B vaccine.

Now, I took it myself when I, you know, went into medical school and I was going to work with blood and what have you. And you know, it or a paramedic or a police officer, but not every person needs to take hepatitis B vaccine. I think it's compelling. The highest risk for hepatitis B,

transmitting it to the baby is in about 20,000 mothers who have active hepat B. Most of them are immigrants, by the way, from outside the United States. They come here. They have a happy. They're going to give it to the baby.

And so when that occurs, the mother gets the vaccine. The mother gets a drug call for center of ear. And the baby gets hepatitis B immunoglobulin and the baby gets.

So we have for 20,000 babies out of 3.3 million born.

We have a good hepatitis B transmission. It's very effective. It's 90% effective. But it doesn't have to be applied to all 3.3 million. So recently, even Rand Paul said this,

other said that listen, we're overdoing vaccine.

I think where we're going is risk stratification.

One that's going to come up.

“You're going to hear about it is actually the human papalumovirus vaccine.”

HPV. Yeah, what about that? Again, that's sexually transmitted. And, you know, it's given to all children. In teenage years, but I can tell you, you know,

the most compelling group is that transmits this virus, like you cannot believe gay and bisexual men. Anal intercourse, unprotected, watch out. Anal carcinoma, peanut carcinoma, et cetera. And oral head neck cancers.

So the bottom line is, you know, HPV vaccine?

Yeah, gay or bisexual men? For sure. Everyone, probably not. Everyone, it's got to be an individual decision. So, but so we're gut.

We have to get to risk stratification in freedom of choice as opposed to putting it on the government's schedule and forcing it into people. The CDC recommends you routine HPV vaccinations for pre-teamings at 11 or 12 years old,

but it can be started as early as age nine with the goal of protecting them before exposure to HPV as it works best at younger ages. But here's one person to have. At a certain point, wouldn't some of these drug companies

or these low or like these, like, if there's a bigger entities out there that are, that are, that are, this, this cabal of control. Wouldn't they, is there more money and them, you battling these diseases over time

and there is just in one vaccine? You know what I'm saying? Wouldn't it then, on the, them tabulating how much money they could make off of a person, wouldn't it be like, oh, well, it's better if we have them battling these two diseases

or instead of getting a vaccine early. Does that make sense? No, the question is good. If you're a drug company, and you say I've got two choices,

I'm going to make a vaccine or I'm going to make a drug to treat the disease. You would take the vaccine every time. Because the vaccine, let's say a, you know, a universal vaccine, like influenza.

You're going to give it to 300 million people. That's 300 million doses started. If you get influenza and severe influenza, you'd have a drug vest maybe given to 50,000 people. It's night and day.

So then right there, that should be information to us that, that that makes it, like it makes more sense than if you're like, well, let me just wait and see what 50,000 people would have these symptoms or get this. It feels like, from a public health perspective,

my view on this is that it should all be about treatment. Right?

“I mean, so, you know, have you ever gotten influenza test positive?”

Never.

You've never even gotten it or tested for it.

I don't have it. Okay, you never have. Never have. Have you ever taken influenza vaccine? I don't know.

Yeah, I can tell you, that shows you. It's completely irrelevant to you. I've never had influenza, and I've never taken the vaccine. I've never even met anybody that's even said it before. Right.

So my point is, why is it recommended for you, me, every human being on earth, including little babies every year? But is the reason why we're not talking about it or anything, or knowing why that has it because that, well, you don't take the shots.

Oh, that's right. But did I want to get it when I was a child? No, what I'm saying is, it's an annual risk. Oh, I didn't know that. You see what I mean?

So it's an annual risk. So the point is, the fear of infectious diseases is grossly exaggerated. Got it. To promote vaccine uptake, vaccine mythology and ideology has been going on for 300 years. This is medical religion.

This is medical. Do you know some doctors will throw a patient out of their office if they don't take a vaccine? Well, yeah, pediatricians will. They'll say, listen, if your kid doesn't take a vaccine,

they're out of here. Oh, yeah, I've seen people fighting about that online. Like, you know, I didn't want my kids to have the vaccines, and this is how they treated us.

“Can you imagine, can I prescribe blood pressure medicines?”

If you don't take this blood pressure medicine, I'm throwing you out of my office. Yeah. I mean, this is, it's insane. It's a religion and how the ideology works is like this.

That there's always been historically tremendous fear of infectious diseases

and that we're vulnerable. We're vulnerable. But through the brilliance of man, man, and vaccines can improve upon God's creation. Man, out does God with vaccines.

This is very important. And because the vaccines aren't perfect, we all have to take them. And because this is such a, a lot of gold for humanity, if some people are injured or disabled or died of the vaccine,

They should take it for the betterment of humanity.

They should take it for the team.

“It's collateral damage and it's acceptable in the eyes of this vaccine ideology.”

It is a runaway freight train. Look at the front of our book. Look at the coin in the front of the book. Look at the iconography. That that's a boy.

Yeah. This is a 22-year-old coin issued by the Vatican. That's a boy in the tripartate imagery. It's a boy getting a vaccine. This coin is issued by the Vatican. Yeah, issued by the Vatican.

But look at this. This is during the pandemic. The boy should be receiving the Eucharist. He should be receiving the body and blood of Jesus Christ. So you're saying that.

But instead. He should be receiving the vaccine. Yes. So you're saying there's a bigger psychology here of playing God. It's a religion.

The point is it's a religion. That's the reason why people can't talk about it. That's the reason why doctors are nuts over this. That's the reason why there are no lectures about side effects on a vaccine. No grand rounds.

No grand rounds. We can't talk about it. There are people listening to your show. They still can't talk to their relatives about this. Well, now everyone's in a spot where it's like.

It feels like a lot of people know that it's bullshit. But you don't want to bring it up to people because they've probably had the vaccine. And you don't want to hurt somebody's feelings. What did I do when I came here? I did a quick check.

Did everybody take the vaccine? Where are we on this? Because people start to get pretty uncomfortable when we talk about this. Yeah. If you have something swimming in your pool, you don't want to admit it.

But you can't. You don't have a net. Then you know what I'm saying? Like it's a little bit alarming because you can't. Well, that's the reason why I have.

You know, you have the one doctor in the chair right now. Where I was the first to devise a method to treat COVID patients to avoid hospitalization. Death McCulloch protocol. The most widely used early treatment protocol in the world. It's been credited with saving tens of millions of lives.

Oh, sparing hundreds of millions of hospitalizations. Listen, Harvard could have grabbed this. They didn't. I did. And now I've devised the first detoxification protocol.

I want to hear about it. Of what people should do when they've had the infection. Multiple times. Or they've taken a vaccine. And so now it does only have to be the only.

One vaccine or they have to get at least two vaccines. Listen, whether you take the infection, whether you've had the infection, or you've taken the vaccine, you've gotten the spike protein in you. So it matters for virtually.

So if I never took the vaccine, but I got, but I, I tested that I had antibodies.

Yeah. Okay. You've had some spike protein in you. So we've been studying this. This is McCulloch protocol based spike protein detoxification.

And first published in 2023, peer reviewed literature. And, you know, after working with every drug under the sun, the Biden administration spent a billion dollars in this. They found no drugs. Turns out three natural products have a huge impact. Nato kinase, bromelin, and curcumin.

Nato kinase and bromelin are natural products. Now we use them in high doses medicinal doses. But they dissolve the spike protein in the body. They help you clear it out. Curcumin is blocking the inflammatory effects of the spike protein.

And they're well tolerated in high doses.

“Remember, most prescription drugs are still natural products.”

They're just in high doses. And so this protocol was published. And then now we've published multiple cases. And we have, I've experienced in thousands of patients. We reliably bring antibodies to the spike protein down.

And when we can measure spike protein directly, that's coming down. And patients get better. It takes a long time. So, you know, it takes probably over a year of taking these. Take in this supplements. And how often should they take them?

What do you have? Do you have one? Is that it right there? This is it. So this is the lead product.

This is from the wellness company. The ultimate spike detox. And this is high dose. Nato kinase, bromelin, and curcumin. You'll be formed a whole company around this.

While this company is probably one of the greatest success stories out of the pandemic. It's now a global health care company telemedicine.

Nutraceuticals and supplements emergency kits will never get burned again.

Because now we have treatment kits for pandemics. And, you know, I've told people, listen, I don't think the government's going to save us from the next pandemic. But the wellness company will. And we continue to innovate.

People need in general. They need over a year of this to clear this spike protein out. Take a look at it.

“How do you decide what supplements are safe and effective enough to put in here?”

And what grades? Well, we have a medical board. We had certainly multiple meetings. We went through dose ranging. Once we got to the product,

we had to go through the federal trade commission. This isn't just some white labeled thing. No, no, this is the real deal. And so it's all science backed. And, you know, we didn't.

We intentionally did not. We intentionally did not patent this. It's copyrighted mainly for just accountability. But we did not patent it because so many people worldwide need it. Now have fun.

Are you on Amazon?

Go to Amazon and type in spike detox. I did this before I came. There are dozens and dozens of products. There are dozens. Type in spike detox.

Is there any side effects of it? Yeah. So if you look in the most of it is ours, but you'll just scroll down. You'll see a zillion different products.

So the bottom line is this tells you.

People know about the spike protein. All this wouldn't be on Amazon. All right, great. Now listen, the doctors are not measuring this in the bloodstream. The doctors are not talking to the spike protein.

It's not in knowing the journal Madison or Jamma. But it's all over Amazon. That should tell you something. It's it's it's episode hilarious. So that there's a fear of it out there.

And people are capitalizing on a fear. Yeah. You know, that's a fair point. I mean, it could be. That's a fair point.

Now I look at hair medicine like hair scalp. Things over a lot over the years on that you find articles like this. This will help and they set you up with an article. And then like even if you don't even go on the link from the article to the product, but then you go find their product.

And then you realize and then I've had things come all like this thing. Doesn't do anything. Well, just a fun way. But here's the thing. Nato kinase is used by the Japanese as a heart supplement because it helps.

It helps unblock arteries. So Nato kinase is beneficial anyway. Bromelin is derived from a pineapple. It's also anti-infective and healthy bromelin. It's actually used as a prescription drug in a form of an ointment.

They used in deep burn wounds. And then curriculum and it's derived from turmeric. That's anti-arthritic. That's a healthy supplement. Yeah.

So bottom line is, you know, no one's. No one's capitalizing because these are three healthy supplements. Anyway, but we have a compelling case to use them in spite detoxification. How are we able to test that it worked? Well, this is perfect for HHS.

Robert F. Kennedy is team to do a large prospect of double-blind randomized placebo control trial. Have they done it yet? No. Have they even called about it? No.

What would that trial mean? I mean, 20,000 people in each group.

It would probably be a $50 million trial, $100 million trial.

For sure. It should be done. This is it. This is it. So this is ready to go.

A lot of people, as you can tell by Amazon, people don't want to wait. If our government hasn't even started thinking about testing it, people don't want to wait. They're doing it.

I'll give them the package.

“Now, remember, anything that actually works has side effects.”

U.S. the question. This is a form of a blood thinner. So people can have more easy bruising. We tell, I just telling somebody on the way here. You know, if they start to get nose bleeding or bleeding when they brush their teeth.

Oh, no. Yeah. So it's a natural product. But it's a blood thinner. The spike protein causes blood clotting. So we have it. We have an epidemic of blood clotting.

So everybody is prone to this. I personally took it. I took it this morning.

Take it on an empty stomach.

And, you know, I had measured my spike antibodies. And my spike antibodies, which should be zero. But since I had COVID, at least once proven and probably two other times. My spike antibodies were 2300. And the published literature suggests under a thousand.

You're probably safe. You probably cleared it out. Just residual antibodies. I was 2300. My ears are ringing.

I didn't feel well. I went on spike detox to took about a year. But I've dropped into 900. Hey, man, let's go. Now, the average person who's had taken a vaccine who's got a trouble.

Blood clot, heart damage that are at 11,000. And we commonly see people over 25,000. So people who are in trouble.

“And how can people get checked to see what they're at to know this?”

The blood test. Super important. Let's go to lab corp. You can self order your blood test. You should do it.

Yeah. I'm going to work on this week actually. You should do it. Go to lab corp. Okay.

So now go to. Individuals and patients. So go to more on demand tests. There we go. And it's going to be a COVID antibody test.

Keep going. There we go. Look on this. This is the test. It's 690.

Very stop here. If you get a user ID and password right here and you pay $69. Use your credit card. Do you pay right here? Then the orders at lab corp.

You can go in there. Get your blood test. And you'll know that night your number. If you're under a thousand, you're safe. Okay.

If you're above 5,000, you probably got the spike protein in your bloodstream. Okay. And if you're over 10,000 or above your in trouble. And you've got a, and it's, there's about a correlation about 0.8 to 0.9 of the antibody to the actual spike protein.

Soon there's going to be a direct spike protein test. And we're working hard with companies to do that. But this is a super useful test.

“Do you know that the Mayo Clinic refuses order this test?”

And so does every other major hospital. If you go on and you say, doctor, I want a COVID test. I want to assess my spike exposure. They'll say, I refuse to do it.

Lab corp got so frustrated.

They just offer this to the public. And say, pay 69 bucks. You can self order your COVID test. Good for them.

“We've published a whole spike guide on this.”

How to interpret it. And, and so like I told you, the average person who took the shot who's in trouble. And a paper by bar ham and colleagues is 11,000. So my mother-in-law, who's now 93, she lives with us. She took two Pfizer shots because we had to get her out of Canada.

She was older and pandemic and whatever.

She's never had a side effect once.

No, so I'm, nothing. She goes, I don't know what you're making such a big deal about this COVID shots. You're nothing. And I've been watching her carefully. I'm telling you, she has nothing wrong with her from the COVID shots.

I said, I can't believe this. So, and I told you, I was 2300. I didn't take the shots, but I had the illness. So we checked mama, you know what she was? 200.

No wonder she's fine. So the point is, there's probably easily 85% of people who took the shots. They got basically a dud. They got next to nothing. They have no antibodies.

They never got it much exposure to spike and they're fine. The reading that you're looking for, the number that you're looking for coming back. It's what spike proteins. It's actually the antibody to the spike protein. Okay, she's looking for the antibody number to the spike protein.

Which is if you're under 1000. Then you're doing fine.

“If you're 5000 or up, then you're, you should check it out.”

You need to get going. Well, you need to get going. You need to get going. At least on the ultimate spike detox. Got it.

Um, you know, once starting the, I've treated thousands of patients. Now I do have to prescribe some drugs in addition for just certain. Now does that mean? No, I mean, well, what I mean is if there's heart damage to this. Another drug after prescribed cold culture scene.

Okay. How do people know if there's heart damage? Well, then. You know, I've published the kind of, the leading paper on this called risk stratification. But in general, it's prompted by symptoms, EKG and, and an ultrasound.

And I, I just do that my office got any standard doctor would do that. But the point is, um, some people additionally need prescription drugs. But once people are on the detoxification program. And I, I think I'm the most experienced doctor in the world in treating patients with this condition.

I've never seen a new blood clot.

I've never seen a cardiac arrest. I've never seen a new, um, problem emerge. I mean, all the people who are emerging with problems now. Oh, I got a blood clot now. Oh, I've got an advanced cancer now.

Oh, I've got some. They have not done the detox. Got it. So important is probably the biggest public health message I can give on this show is. You know, if you just want to play it safe and want some healthy supplements.

Anyway, a lot of people take supplements. They just take it empirically. Take it right here. And at least a year and extended use. If you have underlying heart disease or risk for blood clots or how many of them.

Two capsules twice a day empty stomach. Okay. Best time to take it.

“I think is when you get, if you get up at night to use the restroom and your stomach”

empty, take it with some water before you go back to bed and just take it on empty stomach. Got it. I saw a woman yesterday who has a rare genetic condition. But it impairs the nerves. What is it?

She was good at parallel parking. That's just an old. No, she's actually. She's a very bright. She's a very, um,

successful in her job. She comes in, but her genetic condition. The nerves don't allow the caplaise to open and close correctly. And so she's modeled all over with a pattern called Levitoreticularis. Doctors and nurses know what I'm talking about. And I saw her walking down the hall because I was getting ready to, you know, have her and her husband come in the office.

And I just she just looked so. She looked chronically ill. She was 20 years younger than me. And she said, doctor, I have this genetic condition. And when I took the vaccine, it absolutely ravaged me. And I have intractable headaches.

Look at me. Her, her, she looked so terrible. The condition is actually called Mitchell's disease. If you'll type it, Mitchell's disease. So the point is, but listen to this.

When she walked in my office, I did not know what Mitchell's disease was. She came in. I have, I have Mitchell's disease. So what did I do? A smart doctor.

I get to a certain point where I said, listen, you know, I have to have you change into a gown because I'm going to get an EKG. While she's changing the gown, I go on artificial intelligence and I look up Mitchell's disease. In two seconds, I have the answer. In fact, I even have the genetic mutation for Mitchell's disease now known,

which is an SCN9 amutation. And I came back in the office and I do the next part. And I said, I said, so you have this rare disease. It's a mutation of the SCN9A gene that gates a voltage into these nerves.

She goes, you're the first doctor who's ever identified that.

And I said, you know, it's just, but the point I'm making is that's the power of artificial intelligence.

I could have gotten to it.

You would have taken forever. Sure. And I got to it.

In fact, before I finished, I ordered the correct genetic test on her, which she's never had before.

Got her on spike detoxification, ordered the other appropriate labs. And she literally hugged me. She goes, I have never had anybody even painting attention to me. I'm absolutely miserable with this. And now I can see a pathway out of this.

That's the biggest thing. People want to, yeah, they just want you to hear what's going on with him a lot of times. Yes.

“A couple of questions I got to get answers to just so we, RFK has been an office for over a year now, right?”

As Secretary of Health and Human Services, how do you feel like he's done there? Well, you know, he's a friend. What I'd say is this is that if we've learned anything, you mentioned trust is low in the government. The government doesn't treat patients. The government's, honestly, you know, not our caretaker.

They're not our doctor.

And you probably never asked the question, how is Alex A's are doing?

You probably know who he was. He was HHS Secretary under Trump or how did, how did Bashara do? He was HHS Secretary under Biden. You probably never asked that. The only reason why you'd ask about RFK is because you know all of these kind of has a celebrity status.

Let me just say constructively what I would do if I was in his job. I think that's probably a better thing to say. Yeah, I'm not trying to pitch you like saying something negative about it. No, but I'll just tell you what I was doing. Now, the difference is I'm a doctor with medical authority.

Right. That's very different. There's nobody in Washington who is medical authority. There's nobody in Washington that's ever treated a COVID patient.

“That's ever had an important publication on COVID, ever innovated with a treatment protocol or detoxification.”

There's no one in Washington with medical authority. I am taking charge and I will handle this medical problem. No one. So if I went to Washington, I would be the only one with medical authority. So what would I do in day one?

I would have pulled the COVID vaccines off the market. Just pulled them. Say, sorry, I have medical authority. They're not safe. They're gone.

That's what it is. It's the call. You just make the call. Yeah. It's not a political issue.

This is a drug safety issue. So I pull the code of vaccines off the market. The next thing I do is I'd use the power of HHS and the office to do some very important things. Virtually every major medical center in medical school gets funding from HHS, not only through CMS for medical care, but also from the National Institute of Health and sometimes the CDC.

Every week I be having meetings in Washington saying there's a mandatory meeting, send your dean or chief medical officer or chief of medicine, whatever you're to Washington. And we're going to have a review of, you know, lessons learned in the pandemic, which hospital had the best treatment protocols, which one didn't, which had the lowest mortality, which didn't vaccine safety.

This is what we're seeing with the vaccines. It's a reason why we're pulling them off the market. In fact, you could actually call rapid meetings and say, listen, we're going to go over the data. And we want to gain a consensus before we tell the public we're pulling them off the market. We want to make sure you're, you got your buy-in on this.

And use the power of the meeting to, you know, when you call it, meaning, and they happen all the time, they're called Bethesda meetings. In the last two administrations, they literally haven't had any. But we go to Washington. You have all kinds of experts from academia, from the FDA, CDC, NIH, industry,

your public citizens, there's an agenda, you raise some issues, you basically vet them, gaining consensus, drive policy. That's, that's the process. So I, I'd be doing this every week when it came to diet. For sure, I would have done that.

I would have had all the diatetic societies, American Heart Association. And what I would do in that office is I would get, I would get the medical orthodoxy on my side. I wouldn't write policy with it just a handful of assistance.

Because there's a million doctors out there.

There's a half a million nurse practitioners in PAs. There's 5,600 hospitals, 2200 acute care hospitals. I mean, come on, the medical industry is too big and too strong. You can't do anything in Washington without the medical community. That's what I would do.

And you can make it mandatory.

“So listen, if you want to get your CMS funding or NIH funding,”

you better show up here and I would do it for topic after topic, food dyes. Floor ride. I'd go through childhood vaccines. I'd go through the whole thing. And just use Washington as a convening.

And talk about make America healthy again. If we had somebody with that type of leadership skills in that type of vision, oh my gosh, healthcare in the United States could be dramatically turned around. Do you think that the lobbies that are there now in the big farm and the cabal that's out there now?

Do you think it what it's in goal for us?

Does it you feel like? Well, you know, on our first book, we outline this biopharmaceutical complex. It's powerful. And it has the medical societies with it. Remember, I mentioned the smoke fest and this great problem with smoking among doctors.

Joe, the American Medical Association was fully on board with smoking. They were getting tobacco lobby money. And it wasn't until 1978. Before they have the first pamphlet come out on this. You know, 28 years after the evidence shows cancer,

the lung smoking causes a lot. After everybody made their made a buck, huh? Yeah. So here, let's just take vaccines as an example. Oh, you got the American College of Pediatrics.

You've got the American College of Psychistic Ecology, American Medical Association. I mean, this is a freight train. They all are fully in lockstep on these vaccines. And so the lobby is very tight. And they're told they're, I guarantee non-physicians in Washington are told,

don't you flinch on these vaccines if you do polios coming back. Right. And it's going to be on you.

I'll tell you this story. This is one reason why this stuff is always been interesting to me.

It's because I grew up in a community where two laying university. They had their primate testing facility center in our town. Yeah. And it's where they help develop the polio vaccines. Yeah.

And they found out at one point that the vaccine that they created was going to also could cause cervical cancer and women. And they, but they'd already made so much of the vaccine that they still gave it out to women. They, you know what I'm saying?

“Like, so I think I was like literally grew up in this environment where there was always these like weird mysteries and things going on.”

Lee Harvey Oswald went to the same middle school that I went to, which was kind of wild. So there was just always like this, this allure in our area of like, I don't know if it's conspiracy because now every conspiracy theory ends up being right about two years later. Well, you're probably read the book, right, that misinformation. Dr. Mary's Monkeys.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that took place. You know, but it was just interesting to me that because all of all it heard about was this,

here's polio. But then also it helps cause cervical cancer and women. So it just made me think out of the gate like, how reliable is what we're doing?

That's something I've always asked.

We should, you know, always trust but verify. Understand what we're doing now is very, very likely to change in the future. Do you know most the drugs I use now didn't even exist when I went to medical school? Wow. So we get rid of all drugs.

We use newer, better drugs. You know, we should have constant drug improvement. We should have constant vaccine improvement. We talked about the measles vaccine. That's a great point.

The measles vaccine has not been improved since the 1960s. It's like, what? That's crazy. It's not, I mean, there's been no improvement. And one of the reasons why is the 1986 vaccine injury compensation act, which gave immunity

to any liability. It's really couldn't face any lawsuits, right? So the companies have no incentives to make better safer products. And not only not to make better ones, but to save probably money on whatever they're currently manufacturing anyway because that's the way the business works a lot of times.

“Why do you think that no politician wants to tackle big farmer for real?”

You know, it's always this thing that's kicked around.

But it's, I mean, it's, but no one really does anything. Well, remember, they don't want to touch healthcare. Remember, no politician wants to touch Medicare, Medicaid, drug companies, big farm of vaccines. Why don't they want to touch healthcare? The reason being is that healthcare is about 17% of the gross domestic national product.

It's been more on GDP in healthcare in the other country. It's big business. Do you know that hospitals that the leading employer in most middle and smaller towns, healthcare is the leading employer of single mothers? Hmm.

Healthcare is so big. We spend so much money taking care of each other. It's literally, it's a behemoth. And people are afraid to touch it because it's such a political hot potato. You do anything that looks like your anti healthcare, anti vaccine, anti drug company,

anti nurses or anti doctors, you're going down. You're not getting me elected. I mean, and if you're a regular person, it's like you won't even work. If 17% of our GDP is going through that canal, it's like a lot of people will be afraid to speak up, because they wouldn't be able to work.

Oh, I'm wrong. It's 18.5. Healthcare spending accounted for about 18.5% of your GDP in 2025.

“If we can't change it, how do you avoid big farmer do you feel like?”

You know, I've been impressed in the last six years.

I'm constantly collaborating.

And I've always done this my entire life.

“So I'm literally out of the medical orthodoxy now.”

I used to, you know, I was, I was the named and doubt professor. It lecture at Harvard in 2019. Harvard hasn't invited me back. You know, I was a full professor of medicine where I was in Dallas, Texas. So I'm not actually working with natural perfect and holistic and other doctors.

And one of them is particularly impressed me where he said, listen. He said, it's nature first drugs last. So try to find natural solutions. And if you're willing to do this, that means you probably will be taking more supplements or vitamins that you then you normally would. It probably means you'll pay more attention to diet

and exercise than you normally would. But you are intentionally not going to have a reliance on drugs. Yeah. Yeah, and have some responsibility for ourselves. Yeah. I mean, it almost did. I get to the point of my life where it feels gross even,

like, I mean, recreational drugs now, that's different. But if I just have to take a pill for something or it just, it feels so cringe to me now, even opening a pill bottle.

It just feels like it has such a sour taste in the world.

I think for a lot of people these days. But it also saves people's lives. It's also a lot of great medicine. Well, let me ask you this.

“What percent of people make it to age 80?”

Perfectly healthy without relying on any drugs? Probably none. About 10%. It's possible. Okay.

It's possible. I'm not one of them. I'm 63 years old. I've had high blood pressure since age 25. I mean, life threatening high blood pressure.

I can't live without taking a blood pressure pill every day. So I'm not going to make it. This helps. I'm not going to make it. Yeah, well, I take, I take some natural products as well.

But the point is, I have people come to my office saying, Doc, I don't want to take any medicines. I had something like that yesterday. He's already had a heart attack. He has a sense in his corner.

I just go, I'm not going to take it. I said, well, we're going to do the best we can with the natural products. But you know, I got to tell you, if I was you, I would take the prescription drugs. A lot of prescription drugs are natural anyway.

And they're just, they're just in purified form. Like aspirin is, so over the counter. But it's a drug. It's derived from the bark of birch trees. Hydroxychloricin, which we used in COVID, but we used from malaria and for rheumatoid arthritis.

That's derived from the bark of a chinchona tree. I've remacked it, is derived from the soil in Japan. It's produced by another organism. Why, those two drugs specifically, hydrochloroquine, and I've remacked it and got such a bad rap.

If you read Bobby Kennedy's book about Dr. Fauci, it kind of lays out how some of that was sort of like pre-planned. How it was, how it was lobbied against in certain environments. It was taken off the shelves. When you look back on those two medicines,

what are your thoughts about them?

“I think that those who really, really were involved in pandemic planning.”

Even in the Johns Hopkins 2017 Sparse pandemic training exercise, there was a drug proposed, and it was going to generate confusion. And in the planning exercise, they killed the drug to feature the vaccine. That was in 2017 in the open. I think it was essentially in people's minds to say,

"Listen, don't allow any drugs to play a role here. We want to feature mass vaccination as the principle."

So hydroxychloroquine killed in the first year.

Second year, I've remacked it and killed. We had IV monoclonal antibodies. High-tech, operation, warp speed. They were safe and effective. I used them like crazy.

They were taken off the market rapidly. Sixth and a row taken off the market. Culture seemed super useful, again, natural product, but it's a prescription drug. It was absolutely suppressed and crushed.

Squirtical steroids were great confusion over those. They were suppressed. Vitamin D crushed. Eric Nipputy, who ran a company. They federal trade commission sued him and his company personally.

Nazal sprays and gargles. They worked very well in reducing the viral burden. Nate Jones, at clear personally, and his company was sued by the federal trade commission. He was crushed.

So what was he crushed for? He was crushing them. He was crushed for proposing that we could use them. Right. You remember?

Yeah, I remember. People forget so quick. Remember how you mentioned anything. Everybody was against you. It could be your neighbor.

It was like the news channels. This guy is exactly... Exact. Accept the vaccine. You weren't crushed if you said the vaccine's answer.

Oh, for sure. So... But it's interesting. That was in the minds of people. So nasal sprays and gargles.

Vitamin D. Other forms of neutral chemicals. Hydroxychloroquine Ivermactin.

Monoclonal antibodies.

Culturacy. Cortical steroids. The entire macadal protocol was crushed. Didn't matter if it was cheap generic or expensive, high tech. That told you there was some type of delusion about the vaccine being the only...

Only a pro. Yeah. Remember, Pax low-vid. The oral drug that comes in. Comes in two years into the pandemic.

And the first year, all we really had was macular protocol in Hydroxychloroquine.

The second year, we really had macular protocol and Ivermactin. So it got so bad. The FDA put out... You know, flagrantly false information about Ivermactin. On its website and on Twitter all over.

Miss leading information. The FDA is sued by three doctors. And this goes through court proceedings. And finally, the FDA says, "We'll take down our false information."

“Why is our FDA putting out false information on Ivermactin?”

It was hurting people. I'm telling you as a doctor. And again, I have the authority to make this call. I've used it. I've looked at all the clinical trials.

I understand clinical trials very well. I'm telling you Ivermactin is safe and effective. I mean, I've been a lot of drugs. Have the years I'd do a little, probably. Was there anybody who was immune to any genetics or demographics or cultures that were immune to COVID-19?

There were a few papers indicating that children were largely immune that they had a lot of cross exposure with other coronaviruses. Almost no serious cases in children. There was an occasional child with cystic fibrosis or some problem who got really sick. But children are largely immune. School teachers because they have so much.

There was no significant spread of serious illness from children to the school teachers. But no was there any like, was there any like a Norwegian person couldn't get it? Or was there like somebody from Zimbabwe? Like was there any like, there's one adult group. You're going to laugh, but there's one adult group.

No specific ethnicity or culture, but you're going to laugh smokers. Smokers couldn't get it. They got it very mild cases. And they don't get long COVID. Hmm, you know why? Why?

Because smokers maintain a level of nicotine in the bloodstream. They actually smoke frequently enough. Blood nicotine blocks the spike protein as it's interfacing with a nicotinic acetycoline receptor. Smoking blocks the spike protein.

It's amazing. I thought smokers were going to go down.

Well, who knows now then all those years of this, all those smoking advertisements. And it'll probably save in people's lives 40 years later. Well, you know what? We use now use. We use a nicotine patch. 7,000 milligrams patch even in non-smokers to help them through long COVID.

We use it in addition to the macolot protocol. I've seen people recommend that people should just be on nicotine of like a tick and nicotine pass.

“Do you think that's a good idea to send a regular basis or is that just?”

I think if they have long COVID, I recommend to a patient yesterday. If they have long COVID symptoms, nicotine don't forget is a nootropic. A nootropic is a drug that does make the brain function more effectively. It's a methyl zanthenus related to caffeine. Caffeine does the same thing as a nootropic.

So some people use nicotine little packets or whatever. I grew up in Texas, so you know, there are kids where dips nothing. Yeah, we should chew that off plugged. Right, right, my dad was a chain smoker. But nicotine itself is not, it's addictive.

But it's not harmful to the human body. And so is, by the way, caffeine's addictive. But it's not harmful to human body. What's harmful is the tars that's in tobacco and smoke. So you might even use the dip snuff.

That's related to oral cancer. But now the purified forms of nicotine. Miner staining is their safe. The nicotine patches are perfectly safe. And there you go.

But nicotine is a cognitive enhancer. Right before we started, I heard you say that the past six years have been very exciting in your life, right? Because it seems like did it feel like now that you have more of a sense of purpose. That you've kind of been put like at the pinnacle of this.

“Like being somebody to raise their hand about, hey, is this safe for us?”

Because you're, it's just so often people look back like, you look like it at movies that like champion a certain person. And at first, that person was ridiculed and ostracized, you know? That's always the story. But it's so crazy.

And then at the end, they're the champion. And we lulled them as being like, thank God, they brave the rapids. And they did this. But then we'll see somebody in our present lives who are trying to do the same thing.

And whether they're right or wrong, sometimes it's like, I'm always like,

that person's trying to do something different, right? Like that person is speaking against the grain, how don't you think of all the movies

That we've seen where it's like, that's the beginning of the story.

So I know that like the last six years of your life had been wild.

“You said that, what do you mean when you said that?”

And if you just felt a lot more of a sense of purpose, do you feel more support now? Then you did in the beginning, tell me some of that before we get you out of here. And thank you so much. You know, last six years of my life called me to essentially adopt an entirely new area of Madison, which is infectious diseases.

And you know, specifically the pandemic and everything about it. But as also in a sense, thrust me into the public limelight as a figure.

And you'll be the first one to tell people, I didn't ask to come on your show.

No, no, no. And I didn't ask to go on Joe Rogan and I didn't ask to go testify in the U.S. Senate. I'm being called to play a role in this enormous controversy that's unfolded in the world. And sadly, people did die of the infection and even more people have died of the vaccine now. And we still haven't seen this whole story unfold.

There seems to be a group thing, a madness that we saw evolve regarding fear, masks, lockdowns, hand sanitizer, vaccines. We don't know what's coming next. But I can tell you this infectious group thing. It does occur among doctors and nurses and healthcare professionals.

“I think they're very susceptible to this.”

Something has happened in the human mind. And we need to have a lot more discussion on this. We have to be able to to call meetings and have people come together. If our government can do anything, they just have to bring together the orthodoxy, the those who are the innovators and the thinkers outside.

Remember in the time of a controversy and a crisis.

The answer never comes from within the establishment.

Never. Previously, the establishment for centuries and centuries was the church. And when there's a crisis, the church didn't provide a solution. You can tell government, so all over the world did not provide a solution to the pandemic. But individuals did, unfortunately, while in this company, we got like minded people.

We formed an entire company. We've been very successful. But here we are. So I must have been called to play a role in this time of great controversy. And it's been so great to be on your show. Yeah, Dr. McCollot, thank you so much.

And thank you so much for just being brave enough to speak up. And to think out loud.

“Like that's what we, you know, it's like,”

So many times during this conversation, I've just realized like, How we slowly just get like molded into the like kind of folded into the bat. Or we don't even realize that you know. So yeah, thank you so much for joining us today. Yep, I'm going to grab something from the wellness company.

And yeah, I'd love to chat again sometime and see how things are going. Alright, thanks for having me. [BLANK_AUDIO]

#647 - Dr. Peter McCullough

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