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Legally Brunette Presents, till death do us part. This is where we discuss cases that have to do with marital, not marital bliss, marital destruction.

- Marital homicide. - Marital homicide, so today, I don't know if you guys have ever heard of this, but we are gonna talk about Melanie McGuire, who has been dubbed the suitcase killer.

- Not to be confused with Sarah Boone. - Sarah Boone, who is the other suitcase killer,

“but Sarah Boone, I believe, was not, were they married?”

- I don't think so, but they were like, together for a long time. - Right, so we might actually discuss Sarah Boone. - Oh, we definitely should. - But today, we are going with Melanie McGuire.

- We're going with the original. - The original suitcase killer. All right, so Melanie McGuire was a new jersey nurse and mother of two who was convicted back in 2007 of murdering her husband Bill McGuire.

After he was reported missing in 2004, his dismembered remains were discovered inside three separate suitcases in the Chesapeake Bay. Prosecutors argued that she shot him and attempted to conceal the crime

by throwing the suitcases with his dismembered body parts into the bay. During the investigation, it was revealed that she had been having an affair with a coworker. Who do you think the coworker was?

'Cause she's a nurse. - A doctor? - A doctor, yes. The prosecution claimed she killed her husband to pursue a new life, but Melanie has continued to insist

that someone else was responsible for his death. Up until present day, she claims that she did not do it and that they have the wrong person. So, we're going to get into it. - Well, let's decide, let's go over the facts

and we'll decide if she's the wrong person. - All right, at the end of this, I want you to tell me whether you think they have the right person or not. - Okay. - Okay.

All right, so let's talk a little bit. Let's go back in time and talk a little bit about their early life and early marriage. This is back in 1999 to 2004. So back in 1999, Melanie Mary's Bill McGuire.

The two met when Bill was in a relationship already, and he had cheated on his girlfriend with Melanie.

and his ex-wife claims that he was abusive. I do believe that the ex-wife even tried to warn Melanie about Bill saying that he was volatile and abusive and all the things. Melanie and Bill lived and would bridge New Jersey

with her two children, they had two boys, and Melanie works as a nurse at a fertility clinic. Bill is a Navy veteran and adjunct professor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology. So that's their careers.

So then on April 28th, 2004, this is the same day that the couple closes on their new $450,000 home and warn counterless New Jersey. So they're closing on their home. He disappears the same day.

- Very serendipitous. - Serendipitous, that's a big word that I didn't know. - In a sarcastic way, yeah. - Melanie later says that they argued that he became physical and that she locked herself

in the bathroom before he left

and then she claims that she never saw him again

after that night. - She probably didn't, well, yeah, she killed them. - Yeah, but that's her story. - Okay. - So her story is they got an argument.

“You should be used to if she locked herself”

in the bathroom. - I'm in a suitcase and I never saw him since. - Yeah, I put it in the bathroom. - No, what did she did? I don't know, we'll get to it.

- Well, we're gonna get to it. - I just know the seraboon case so well. I gotta make sure I'm not picturing seraboon. - Okay, get seraboon out of your mind. We were talking about Melanie McGuire.

So many suitcases. So then, Bill's car is found parked outside the hotel in Atlantic City the day after his disappearance. A suitcase containing human legs is found floating in the Chesapeake Bay.

This is the first suitcase that shows up.

So they find suitcase has legs, only legs. Two more suitcases with additional remains are recovered over the following days. You know, they didn't know what was, even though I think they found like his head

and like torso and one suitcase legs in another suitcase and like arms in another suitcase. But they did not know who he didn't have his license on him. He had no identification on him in the suitcase. Authorities determined that the victim was shot three times

with a 38 caliber revolver once in the head and twice in the torso. After a composite sketch is released, the wife of one of Bill's Navy friends recognizes him as the victim.

Melanie, this is interesting

“'cause I feel like you need to kind of like hone into this.”

- Melanie files for divorce the same day his body is identified. So they find the body parts, they don't know who it is, they sketch it, they release the sketch, he becomes identified and the day that he's identified

she files for divorce. - You see, so like it was on the media in the media? - Yeah. - So maybe like, so it reminded her, like, oh crap, I've found for the divorce.

- I've found for the divorce. - I've been meaning to do that. - After authorities identified Bill's body, Melanie said that she was devastated when police contacted her.

- Speaking? - You have been devastated. Why? 'Cause he's dead or 'cause he was found. - I know she's like, do you know what I thought those two cases

were gonna think? - Yeah. Why would a suitcase think?

“- I don't know, well because here's the thing.”

I think people think that when you put body parts in the suitcase and you throw it into the Chesapeake Bay that because it's heavy, that it will sink to the bottom. - No. - But that doesn't happen because what happens is

the body, it like bloats. It becomes full of air and stuff and then it floats up to the top. - That was a pretty good description of that. - That's why people put bricks and cement. They throw bodies into the water.

They attach the cement blocks. - Well, she's an idiot. - Yeah. - So she didn't do enough due diligence. - No.

- Is my point. After authorities identified Bill's body, Melanie said that she was devastated and then speaking to ABC News, she recalled that she burst into tears and probably saw for about an hour or so.

That is a quote. - If I, well, how long would you cry if I was found dead? - An hour or so. - How long would you cry if you killed me and then they found me dead?

- I would, I would shoot hours. - However, the detective who interviewed her after we're described a very different impression of her reaction, detective Ray Pickle told ABC News that although she appeared to mimic crying,

she never had a tear in her eye.

So, you know, we've seen that before where people cry like they cry but there's never, they talk about that with housewives. Do you ever, like they'll say like when housewives get emotional but sometimes there's no actual tears?

- It's not 'cause of the Botox. - No, 'cause Botox doesn't stop your tear docks.

- I don't.

- Is that what people do?

- And there aren't pits. I don't think you can-- - Yeah, so if you get Botox right in your eyes, no. - I don't think, I don't think it affects your tear docks.

“I think if you're truly emotional, tears should come out.”

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Melanie claims that Bill had a gambling problem and suggested that he may have owed money to dangerous people, but no evidence supports this theory. Meanwhile, a medical blanket in one of the suitcases is traced back to the fertility clinic where Melanie works.

Are you keeping track of the evidence? I want you to make a chart in your head and keep track of the evidence.

- Okay, so so far, we have a 38 caliber revolver

“that was used, and we've found a medical blanket”

in the suitcases that apparently could be tracked back to the fertility clinic where she works as a nurse. - Right. And it's tied, yeah, it's not just, I'm guessing it's not just a blanket that looks like a standard blanket

that's used at medical facilities. They probably, they somehow matched it to the same, it's the same fabric, it's the same everything. - Or maybe it just was stamped with a fertility clinic name. - Maybe she was, she had a history of stealing blankets

from the facility. - Then the investigators uncover that Melanie was having a two-year affair with Dr. Bradley Miller, who was also married. According to people magazine, Melanie told ABC News

that she was deeply in love with her coworker, but that they had no plans to divorce their spouses

because the children come first.

- Didn't she file for divorce? - Well, that was after he was found dead. - She's like, I don't even married to a dead guy. - file for divorce. - Oxygen true crime reported that the doctor

had an alibi for his whereabouts during the murder and allowed police to secretly record his phone calls with Melanie. - What was his alibi, do we know? - You know, I don't know what his alibi was.

- It's like, I was just my other mistress. - Yeah, she could testify. Police learned that Melanie purchased a 38 caliber revolver days before Bill disappeared. - guilty, her timing is terrible.

- It really is, again. - I mean, the blankets, the gun just before closing on a house and then he's dead and missing and then files for divorce was sketches all over the media. - Right.

Authorities also find internet searches on her computer. Do you want to guess, I'll just let you guess, what do you think the internet searches are?

“- How many suitcases do I need to put a body in it?”

- Oh, that's a good one, do it another one. - I don't know how to kill a man, I don't know. How to file for divorce after you've murdered your husband? - Yeah, those are all good, I like those. Here's her better.

- Oh, what is it? - Undetectable poisons and how to commit murder. - How to delete my search history. - All right, then in June of 2005, Melanie is arrested and charged with first-degree murder.

Then she doesn't go to trial until 2007. So her trial begins in 2007. Okay, first of all, there is no smoking gun as far as, yeah, but this is pretty some strong circumstantial evidence.

- It is all circumstance, but it's pretty strong. - But it's very strong, but it is all circumstantial. - So let's just go through the circumstantial evidence because then-- - There's more? - Oh, there's more, yeah, I want to go through it

'cause I made a list. So I want to talk about the list of circumstantial evidence and then I will tell you why I am not 100% convinced. - Okay.

“- All right, so the suitcases that were used”

were tracked back to her own personal set. (laughing) - They had her name tags on them. (laughing) - They were engraved.

- No, it was a Michael Cores set. - Okay, but they traced the suitcases to being hers. They could have been purchasing, you know, they could have looked up the history. I don't know.

She probably bought it same-day, she bought a gun. Like, here's a receipt for a gun and three suitcases. - Right, you know, I don't know. I did try to look into that and I read multiple articles about this,

but I could never, I couldn't.

So if anybody out there knows, I do like it when you guys DM me and give me more information about cases, I do appreciate that. I've had several people, though have personal connections to the cases that we talk about.

And some people will DM me and give me more information about cases and I love it when you guys do that. So if anyone knows how they traced back, this Michael Cores set a suitcases back to Melanie, I would love to know that other than if it was just

something where they found the receipt or found her purchasing them on video, I don't know. Bullets from a 38 caliber were found in the body, there were three bullets, and then a receipt for the purchase of the 38 caliber gun was found.

She purchased it like a couple days before he disappeared. Wad cutter bullets were used and Melanie also purchased Wad cutter bullets. I don't know what Wad cutter means.

I assume I've never heard that word before,

but I assume that's just a type of bullet, Wad cutter? - Wad cutter? - Yeah, W-A-D. - I'm gonna guess. - C-U-T-T-E-R-Wad cutter.

I guess it's just a type of bullet. - I don't know. - Yeah. - I don't know a lot about- - I think it's just a specific bullet. I don't think it matters in terms of homicide or anything.

- Okay, a couch fiber was found on a bullet in the victim's chest, and then that couch fiber was traced back to a throat pillow from their personal couch and their home. - Okay.

Sometimes I feel like, 'cause a lot of times with these cases, there's a lot of fiber analysis, and even when I watch, you know, 'cause I've seen every episode of forensic files,

they always do like a fiber analysis back to like,

a car seat, and the fiber matches the car seat. And I don't know if I really feel like fiber analysis is a real, it's not even like DNA. - Or if it's like a junk science. I don't know if it's like a junk science.

- I don't think it's a junk science, but I certainly think you can have some doubt, and it, you know what I mean? Like just, like, they used to match hairs.

“Remember before DNA, they would match hairs,”

but that's really not, I wouldn't call it junk science, but certainly is, - Well, it's not definitive. - Yeah. - It's just more of like, these hairs are similar.

- Yeah. - Or this fiber is similar. I don't know, it's, it's not dangerous. - Okay, I just looked it up. - Yes.

- The suitcases. - Oh, you wanted to know that, didn't you? - We're sold that model suitcase, or whatever, it was sold, it is a three piece set. - Yes, it's a three piece set.

- At Wal-Mart's. - Okay. - And they went and searched Wal-Mart's, and they got video of her purchasing the suitcases. Two days prior.

- Oh my gosh. She purchased the suitcases two days prior, and the gun a couple days prior. - Right. - Okay.

- And then followed for the course after he's found it. - Yes. - All right. So we are, and then we talked about the computer searches, don't forget that she needs to do more internet searches.

It's clearly, I mean, she's terrible at this. - Well, she needs to do internet searches, but not on her home computer. She needs to go somewhere else and do internet searches. - Yeah, like on a, on a burner computer.

- Yeah, she needs a burner computer somewhere. And again, the computer searches were undetectable poison, how to commit murder, and also there were computer searches on chlorohydrate, which is used as a sedative, as well as how to illegally obtain firearms.

illegally obtaining firearms must have been very difficult for her to figure out because she did just, she purchased a gun. - Yeah. - Chlorohydrate is a sedative hypnotic drug primarily used for short-term treatment of insomnia,

and as a pediatric sedative for procedures. It's known for its rapid onset, and it acts as a central nervous system depressant. So basically, I think she probably, because the timeline of his cell phone,

the night he disappeared, the forensic showed that there was like a phone call that came in at three, and then a phone call that came in at four or five, something like that, and he answered all of those phone calls.

“And then I believe there was a phone call”

that came in around like six p.m. from the seller of the house, 'cause remember they just closed on a house, and they were excited about this new home. - Yeah.

- And he didn't answer that phone call.

And they had said that he always,

he was always on his phone and he had a blackberry or something. And he always had it and he was always on it. And he had never missed a call from the seller with this whole transaction. So they think as far as like the time of death,

it would have been somewhere in there where he picked up the phone, picked up the phone, picked up the phone, and then it six p.m. didn't answer the phone. And the chloral hydrate would have been a sedative, right? So I don't know.

I mean, in this made for TV movie, I watched, which I'm not a big fan of recreations. I like documentaries, or they interview people, or they show police body key and footage. - Look, so for the Mandy case, you like that one.

- I did like the Amanda Knox case, but that's because she was involved. - Right, I did. I just wanted to make that clear. That was a different one.

- That was, but this one, I watched it, but I really don't usually like the movie. - You watch it lately, right? You don't talk to you too seriously. - But it did show them where she gave him some wine.

So I don't know, maybe the assumption is, or the allegation is that she put some of that chloral hydrate in his drink, you know, so that. I mean, he was a big guy, she was petite. So we have to remember that.

I believe she was very petite, like she was like-- - She's like a one-two case. - And he's like a three-piece.

“- Right, that's how we're going to define”

how large people are now. - I would be a-- - You're a one-seek piece of a kisser. - How many pieces would you be? - Well, right now, currently, I'm a one-and-a-half.

- I'm a one. - I'm a carry-on. - No one. - I'm a one-and-a carry-on. - Okay.

- You're a one. - I'm a one. - You're a little bag. - Yeah. (laughing)

- You're a little bag. - Yes, you are. - All right, anyway, back to the floral hydrate. They think she gave him some type of sedative, 'cause it was a big guy.

All right, trash bags were also found that were similar to the ones in her apartment. You know, they do that trash bag analysis.

I always see that on forensic files, too.

Have you seen that? - Yeah, but what part about it? - Well, it's like when it's on the assembly line. - Oh, yeah. - With the dyes and stuff.

- Right. - It makes certain patterns or striations on the trash bags. - Right. - And then it's never perfect, but they'll be--

- Small-- - Right. - There's small differences, right? - Like flaws or something, or distinct characteristics.

- And then--

- That will exist for a while, right?

So like if you're gonna punch out something, you know, like with a stamp, right? There might be a little imperfection somewhere and it'll be on that constantly while they're using that same mold or whatever.

So in this plastic bag case, it's a formula. And it might have some imperfection. That states in perfect, but some slight variation, and it might last for a while, it might only come from this factory

and this factory, then delivers to these wallmarks or whatever. So then they can kind of narrow it down. - Right. - And that's how the suitcase was.

I was reading the suitcase.

“It was, I think she left the retail tag or something on it.”

And-- - How, she left the tag on it? - Are we still questioning whether she's doing it on it? - I just, it just gets to worse the wall. - So they were able to then know where it was,

'cause it's like they have UPC codes also, right? Universal product codes. So then they can kind of narrow down where it was bought. So then it strengthens this circumstantial evidence. Then it all, okay, yeah, it's a Walmart bag,

but it's only sold at these Walmart's, where she shops, and then she bought it, blah, blah. - Right, so the bodies that were found, or the body parts that were found in the suitcase were wrapped in trash bags.

So they could trace the trash bags. - And where they also purchased with the suitcase. - Maybe. - So they trace it back to her house? - Well, they could, they trace it back to, yes,

to the ones that were, they were sent out to the ones in her apartment. They had the same die, same striation lines, it links back to the same manufacturer, the same assembly line on the same day.

- Right.

“- So that's how they could link that back.”

We already talked about it, but there was the medical blanket that was found inside the suitcase that they could link back to the fertility clinic where she worked. She was caught on camera moving his car,

'cause remember earlier, I said-- - Is there anything that like she was able to conceal in this case? - So remember I talked about earlier how they found his car, the following day,

parked in a casino park spot, because clearly her story was-- - Yeah, the gambling problem. - We had a gambling problem and like he owed debts to the mob or something, right?

So some mobsters got it. - And the mob tends to have Michael Cores suitcases, right? - Yes, they love Michael Cores. They shop at Walmart all the time. - Love it.

So she was caught on camera moving his car. She also forged a prescription floored the floral hydrate, which we talked about earlier, which was the sedative, and she picked it up at Walgreens

after dropping her kids off a daycare. - Okay, and you still have doubt. - I'm gonna tell you why, I'm gonna tell you why. Also, human flesh was found in Bill's car, and they made a distinction, they call it human flesh,

because you can find DNA cells, right, in a car. - Yeah. - Like you could go in our car right now, and there's DNA all over my car, right? - Yeah. - But this wasn't DNA, like skin cells,

this was like chunks, you know, like human flesh. - Okay, I suppose like little dead skin cells, yes. - Right, and she filed for divorce after his remains were found. She was also having, this is all the circumstantial evidence

against her, I just-- - She should have filed for divorce before killing him, and then not kill him. - Oh, yeah, that would have been a better-- - That's dead, she was like this murdered in work.

I can never get rid of this guy.

I gotta file for divorce. - She, then there was also the long affair that she had with Dr. Brad. - Did you have it in insurance policy? - I don't think that there was any--

- So maybe she was holding off for the divorce. - I don't think there was any financial motive, really.

“I think she just wanted it, I think she hated it.”

She wasn't getting anything out of it. - I don't think she was very fond of him. - No, I think she, but I'm saying people murder for money. I don't think there was any financial motive. I think she just wanted him gone.

Is there a reason why he wanted him gone, do we know? - I don't abuse, or was it just like she had an affair, and she just wants this. - No, well, it talks about how she has an affair, but if you watch the made for a TV movie or whatever,

it claims it alleges that he was also having affairs. Like affairs with his students, like he was a womanizer. - Are there kids here? - Yeah, they had two sons. - Like little kids?

Miners are adult children. - No, they were minors at the time. She dropped them off a daycare, remember after she forged the prescription, and dropped it off at Walgreens,

went to pick up the chloral hydrate, and then took her kids to take care. (upbeat music) - I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him. - I said, "Hi, dad."

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(upbeat music) - The state received evidence by anonymous communications, pointing to people other than Melanie. - Mm-hmm. - As all coming from the same phone number

as Bill's murder. The state alleged that these anonymous, which she calls, she's like, hi, this is Melanie, I mean, this is anonymous, I'd like to report her murder.

(laughing) - You don't even let me get through this. - 'Cause there's a stupid, why are we even going? She did it! - Okay, keep going.

- The state alleged that these anonymous communications were further evidence of the defendant's guilt because she or someone acting on her behalf was their source. So, that's okay. So that was a long list of the circumstantial evidence

against her, she goes to trial. In April of 2007, she is convicted of first-degree murder and weapons-related charges. She has found not guilty on four additional counts involving anonymous communications.

I guess they could never--

- And littering in the Chesapeake Bay? - Yeah, literally. - Let me talk about one thing, 'cause this is why I'm only at 98%. And I know you think that's ridiculous.

- It is ridiculous. - It is ridiculous, because of all the circumstantial evidence and she clearly is not bright and she did not do her due diligence. She's buying suitcases and guns on camera.

and leaving it as the-- - Oh, the prescriptions. - I know. - Everything.

- I'm just baffled by this.

She gave him a sedative, right? 'Cause he's a big guy. He falsely-- - That's the circumstantial evidence. - Right.

He falsely whatever. They're in their apartment. They're at their apartment. That's the last place he has seen and that's the last place he picks up the phone.

So we know that he's physically located in their apartment. Okay? She shoots him three times. Once in the head and twice in the chest. Oh, he's dead.

They're okay, again, they're in their apartment. She dismembers the man in their apartment. - Okay, I mean, I guess there's no signs of blood or any of their apartment. - No forensic evidence found in their apartment.

Nothing.

“- So-- - How do we know what happened in the apartment?”

If there's no evidence, how do we know what happened in the apartment? - You're assuming, unless you have a reason to think-- - I'm assuming because it said that according to his cell phone data, he picked up the phone and has their apartment at like four and five p.m.

and then he missed to call it six. Well, how does she-- Where is the--

She dismembers first of all.

I cannot think of anything more vile and grew some than dismembering a large man's body. - Oh, it's true. - She is a small, petite woman. She shoots him three times and then she dismembers him

with her two kids there. - How do you know the two kids were there? - I don't know the two kids were there, but I don't know where they would have been. - You insert all these facts and then you say you have doubt.

- No, I don't know-- - No, I don't know. - I don't know if the kids were there or not. - Okay. - I do know for a fact that his body was dismembered. It was chopped up into his legs are cut off

and his arms are cut off and his body parts were drained of blood. - Wow. - How does someone do that? And it has to be inside her apartment where else could she have done this?

She didn't do it in neighbors' house, she didn't do it in the backyard, she didn't do it. It had to have been in their home. - Yeah. - And you're telling me, I have watched every forensic file

and all you have to do, you get a little paper cut and you squirt some luminal and it's gonna light up. I don't care.

- She have more plastic trash bags that she laid out. - I don't know.

- Well, you guys, okay, first of all,

he, if he died this way, he died without any trauma, like flesh and blood everywhere, right? - Well, I would assume there's flesh and blood. - Oh, that's the shot. - Oh, that's the shot.

- Yeah. - But my secret is, let's say he, but with the medication, he passes out and he's at a commission. - Okay. - Now, she can roll out the plastic bags, get it already, shoot him blah, blah, blah.

- How do you dismember somebody

“and there is not a single drop of glue in that house?”

- The only thing she did right. - And the body was drained of blood. Where did the blood go? - And we know it was drained of blood before it wasn't just like it naturally.

- All I read and every article I read, it was that the body was dismembered. It was cut into three pieces, put in three suitcases and the body was drained of blood. - Yeah.

- And you're telling me that there is not a single ounce of forensic evidence against this woman that when you squirt luminal in her apartment, it doesn't light up like the fourth of July. How is that possible?

There isn't one drop somewhere that she missed. And how did she dismember him? She had to use a chainsaw. - Oh, I'd tell you how she's nourished when I had access to medical equipment.

- And how gross is that? - Oh, it's disgusting. - Oh, it's disgusting. - And how, and also, she's a small woman. She's petite and he's a big guy. I think he was over six foot.

He was like 250 or something. This is a big guy. How does she carry the body parts? And she put some into the suitcases and then how does she get the suitcases?

- Oh, no, but now I'm starting to wish I was a bigger guy because then it was and you'd have more of a tough time. - Oh, you would be easy. - It was very easy.

- It was a double bag. - Yes.

“But I'm just saying that is the only thing”

that is very mind boggling. I understand the loads and loads of circumstantial evidence against her. It's just completely stacked up at me as ridiculous. There's so much of it.

But the fact that this man was dismembered inside their apartment, put in three suitcases. She is a small petite woman and there is not, and there is not a drop of blood within that apartment.

Either she had some type of a complice that helped her. - Yeah. - Or, I don't know, I just, I don't understand it. That's the only doubt that is in my mind. - Maybe, I don't know.

- I don't know, but that's not enough for me to say she didn't do it. Okay, so so what? She outsmarted you. She had plastic lining everywhere,

or she drove him to a park and then dismembered him and shot him. Who knows? - She's the middle of a park. - I don't know.

- I don't know either. - I don't know. - But I'm saying, but it's, if so.

She took him out remotely somewhere

and did the deed. Who knows?

“But that's not enough to say she didn't do it.”

- I mean, I'm not saying she didn't do it. - Anyway, you said two percent. Well, there's the two percent that this, I just don't understand the forensic. I don't understand how the body is dismembered

by the small petite woman and the body is dreamed of blood and there's not an ounce of blood that there is so much other evidence that is too coincidental. Way too coincidental.

- No, I know. - That shows her intent, her behavior. - Yeah. - To, it's like, okay, so she got this one right. - How did she get the hardest part correct?

But the easy part of like not buying a suitcase and leaving the tag on it. - 'Cause she probably focused on this. She probably thought, this is important. I need to not have blood everywhere.

- Yeah. - I think about anything else. - So since 2007, Namelani has been serving her sentence at Edna Mayhand Correctional Facility and Clinton New Jersey. In 2017, an appeal challenging how computer evidence

was handled is denied. Then in September of 2020, Melani did an interview on ABC's 2020 and Mayhand Tains her innocence. She said that she is afraid to hope for release. Then in 2022, a lifetime movie about the case titled,

the suitcase killer, the Melani McGuire story is released and later becomes available on Netflix.

“That's what I watched so if anybody's interested”

in watching it, it's currently on Netflix. Again, it's called the suitcase killer, the Melani McGuire story. I'm not a big fan of recreations because whenever they do recreations, they wouldn't realize that a little bit.

- They make it like, they change facts. And they did that in a-- - Or they might be like, oh, this part's boring. Let's highlight that a little bit better. Or like, more of this part.

- I like documentaries 'cause I feel like, at least they do a better job of sticking to the facts interviewing people who are involved, showing bodies-- - Yeah, so what was that one that we watched was--

- It was fertile. - Yeah, they brought in like, you're like the-- - No, they changed the whole timeline. - You're like the housekeeper's dead. - Yeah, she's in the entire film.

- Yeah, I didn't like that. I was like, I can't believe that they made this whole-- - And they made her a key part too. Like she was helping the kids, or whatever. - Driving them places.

- Yeah, it was like-- - She had died years before. - Like, they changed the whole timeline of her life. - I know that bothered me to no end.

But anyway, anyways, it's called the suitcase killer, so if you're interested. And again, if anyone has any more information about Melanie McGuire and how she got the body into the suitcases

and did not leave any blood DNA forensics, anything, and that apartment, please let me know because I would love to hear your theory. So, I 'cause that is just keeping me up at night. - Yeah, apparently, I only want to know

how to avoid having blood everywhere, while I'm just remembering a spouse. - How this ding dong, who made all of these mistakes, got that part right. That's what I want to know.

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