Ep 1280 | Three Things the Enemy Steals From Every Man & How God Restores Them

Welcome back to Unashamed. We just got all got back into our Roberto Towns from the Lot of Travelers last week and Jace on the last podcast mentioned his trip to the triangle and beyond, which was interesting. So, Jace, I was in, I left here and went to Omaha, Nebraska. Oh, I love Omaha. I love it too. And so, when I got up there like you,

I like to connect to the local people and I was like, "What's up, Omaha?" You know, I kind of opened like Will and Everybody Claps.

“Were they, were they, did you bring it, LSU baseball?”

Yep. I said, or as I like to call it, LSU North. Yeah. And when I said that, just this big hoop and an alarm went on. And so, the woman who was the MC of our event is a city council person for Omaha. And she said later after we spoke to us sitting in the audience.

We spoke and then she was wrapping up. She said, you know, our tax revenue goes up when LSU is in the College World Series. They actually can see the needle move because of so many people coming up to watch LSU baseball. So, they love us up there, far to not so much. Sounds like they love our money out.

They love our money, but they love us. They said the people from Louisiana are awesome. They say they come up here with their RVs and their stuff. And they cook the whole time they're here. So, some of them are there the whole two weeks. They cook, they invite us all in to try their jumble eyes and their gumbos and their all their stuff. She's they love Louisiana people.

They bring the martygral beads. So, we were a big hit there. And then afterwards this woman comes up to me and she says, you know, because I made a big deal about LSU baseball. And so, and about the College World Series. Because it is. It's a great thing that there's like a place known for something like that.

I mean, like they're there, they're the destination place. And she can't, she, her dad used to be the mayor of Omaha. And she said, we have, we have seats.

The first row wrap on home plate.

And I thought about you because you were right on the second. On the second. So, right in front of that is this family has some seats there. They feel she comes back. She said, I got a seat for you and your wife.

“And I was like, whoa, I said, can I get your nowhere?”

It's like, well, that is worth the whole time. That was worth the whole train. That's sharing Jesus. Very important in front row seats of the LSU. That's pretty good.

I mean, they've started all the season at this point in time, which may be later by the time it comes out. They actually played or not. They're eight, no. Yeah, no.

Which doesn't mean a whole lot at this stage. Right, certainly. But have you watched any of the games? I've watched a couple. I watched them all.

I love, like, seeing, okay. We got the new people with you on the ones that were there. I finally went to Internet TV. It's pretty good.

“Yeah, so I'm not figured I had to watch them on a regular basis.”

I got off direct TV and I'm on just Internet TV now. And you know, did it? Is that Melissa? Because I'm a dinosaur on TV. I just didn't want to mess with the thing. But then I saw much of it.

I was paying just a fortune for this TV that I was never watching.

I only want to cite three things. And so she showed me how to do it on the Internet with the YouTube TV or whatever. And I was like, wow, it's an idiot. I've been paying all this money for everyone. Yeah.

I just, I'm a dinosaur about this kind of stuff. I just don't get it. We were talking, y'all were talking about stocks. Yeah, I just, you know, you never got into the AI. I just told you, you know.

Yeah, it missed me. The whole solution. Yeah, the AI. I missed the whole thing. Yeah.

But it's, well, let me just say this. In a, in a, in a cage match. If you have AI versus Dia. Dia is going to win. That, the divine divine intelligence.

And see, I'm just like my aunt, Jan, I'm living in Dia, not AI. My mom was got participate in any of, I mean, when the Internet was invented by Al Gore,

she said, I'm not participating in she never participated.

They're just, but they're like, Phil, they'll never participate. He didn't. He didn't. He did it by carously. He did.

Dan, the Butler and others. And us, and you, yeah. Yeah, so he would kind of sit up on the perch. You know, the nasty. He'd be like, he'd perch up himself above us and say, I'm not participating, but yeah.

He had this. Well, he told you to say, he says, he said, get me on that Internet. He said, so, so I went from, I went from Omaha to our marriage retreat that we, the church does. So we had to fly straight in and it was really hairy because they had a unplanned, and I say unplanned being in like the day before was the first time it came on the radar. A, about a seven inch snow event that died of our event.

And I'm like, oh, man, because, you know, these things pop up like this and you get stuck places.

So I'm trying to get to my next up.

“But we made it, but we had to sit on the plane for an hour.”

We almost missed our next thing because they got a D ice and, you know, all the stuff that happened. But I got out there. And so we got to a little rock and ridden a car in the drone. We came in on, I mean, two wheels hot because the thing, the event started at one. We got there at one 15.

So I mean, we were just barely making it to the next thing. But I, I wonder, bring this up because I don't know y'all would love this. So the theme this year, and I didn't know anything. I was just like, Jason travel. Like, I've been out of the loop so much at our church because I've been on the road so much.

I hadn't planned anything. I hadn't been in a single meeting. I didn't even know the theme until like two days before what they were even going to be talking about. Or what I was supposed to do. I mean, this was literally just on the fly.

But at least when I do marriage stuff all the time. So it wasn't like, you know, we weren't pressured, but it was just like normally I would know. But then the thing this year was called Kingdom Marriage. And it was all about the Kingdom, which we've been living here on the podcast. So I was like, oh, yeah, Kingdom marriage.

I'm like in the sound of this. And so we come in. That's the theme. The stuff was fantastic. Anna and Tray, Tomonson, which, Jason, you guys are close to Anna and Tray as well.

They're wonderful couple. They went through a rough marriage, like Lisa and I did. But now, we're amazing. They lead our marriage, make sure our church. And so they plan the whole retreat.

But they just set the framework that, you know, a marriage works. If it's a kingdom marriage because you got a kingdom man and a kingdom woman. You know, people that had that that consistent, uh, consistency and Christ. And then that carries over into marriage. So that was our theme.

But now it's funny because we've got, I would say probably at the marriage retreat, which is our church that puts it on. And this, they do it now two weekends because we have so many people coming. But I would say half the group there, or not from West Monroe, they're from some other place. They all drove in Michigan. They were there from everywhere.

And a lot of them are listeners of the podcast. And I told you all this where we came on there that when I asked him how many listen to the podcast. When when Lisa and I spoke, I'm 75% of the hands went up in this audience. So people, and this is only a small sampling. It was about 50 couples, but still I was like, wow.

“And I was like, so I started as an, I mean, do you just occasionally listen?”

I don't know where we're called up. We just heard sigh, you know, the latest episode. And I was like, that's 1,200 in. These folks are listening, which was great. And but Lisa and I shared in one of the things that we did is one of our presentations we do about keen to marriage.

And it's funny because we do this because it's out of Ephesians 533, which says that the wife must, the husband must love his wife as Christ of the church. And the woman must respect or husband Ephesians 533. And so you get that concept out of the same way we are with Christ, right? We bowed down, we submit to him.

And therefore, you know, then we understand his love for us and what he does. And so we, we make the same comparison of marriage. And so we come out of Job 31 and Proverbs 31. And I was talking about Job.

And I had never framed it like this before, but I thought it was, was really good.

And the, and the people I talked with afterwards helped him was that Job going back to Job. And I think it's out of Job 31, which is him defending his character. But if I'm that kind of guy, then I'm going to be pretty respectable. That is, if Lisa is supposed to respect me, I need to be a respectable man, a kingdom man. If she's supposed to be loved by me as Christ loves the church and she needs to be lovable.

You know, so that's kind of the way we do. But I, you know, Job, the evil one comes in a taxi. Because there's a conversation in heaven and God's like, I mean, you know, consider my servant, Job. You know, he's a good guy. And the evil one took first of all, everything he had, he had work for.

And you know, and he's thinking about that as a man. I mean, you know, you build things and you, you work hard for things. And you, the things you accomplish, you're, you're proud of those things. All gone, all gone in a swoop. And then the next thing he took was everything he loved, his children. And even his wife, because she just, she totally disrespect them as like, I don't know what you did.

But like, you need a curse God and die. I mean, when you lose the wife, you've lost a lot. So we lost everything he loved.

And then the third thing is if that wasn't enough, he took his health.

So it was everything he is because his a man is men. I mean, I value my strength and my health as much as anything. I mean, it's the one thing that keeps me going every single day. And sometimes it's, it helps not so great.

“But I mean, you have to, that's the one thing you're like, to keep going forward.”

I need that. And he took that. Yeah, it's pretty good out. I mean, that, yeah, that a pretty good one takes everything you have. You're a thing you love and everything you are. Yeah.

Some of these folks are from out of town. They had not seen me. And so they were like, where is the rest of out?

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That's 864-644-1900 or you can visit my PhD weight loss.com. And in spite of all that, he had some hard things to ask out. He had some hard times. He was like, god, I don't get it. I don't get it.

But at the end of the day, he never cursed.

He never walked away from his relationship with god. He abided as we talked about in the last podcast. Oh, yeah. In God. So it is an ancient man.

You know, the happened that they think dough was like pre-flood even maybe. But he, man, he had some great qualities to teach. So that was kind of my gist as we did our presentation. But it kind of shows you the power of the relationship. It's not like you're doing things.

You know, because you have to. Right. You're just here to stay no matter what happens. Right.

“I mean, I think that's the way to wrap your head around your relationship with god.”

I mean, we're here to stay. Life is filled with misery. And it was really interesting because the whole weekend. I mean, there were a lot of people there. And I talked to a lot of people.

And some came to meet Lisa and I for sure. But, you know, God has an appointment.

And always there was a couple that are an older couple at our table.

And been married for 47 years. But they were there in crisis. And so I wound up spending most of my time with them in the man in particular dealing with their issues. But I just, you know, God puts you in places to make an impact on someone's life. And it was just interesting how he worked that out for me to be there for this guy.

It was like, dad's mom and dad's age. But just shows you that no matter what, you think, you know, we've survived everything. But you never know when the evil one's going to put the test to you. And so that made still be a head for all of us. So anyway, it was, it was great weekend.

And we went straight from there up to Bentonville. Then to visit our movie set. And we visited the actress in the actor along with our co-man, our guy. We went to dinner the night before. And just really interesting meeting these young people that are playing us in the movie.

And, you know, hearing their motivation behind why they love the story. And it's really God's story as Jesus' story. But it was, it was really powerful. So it was really good. What about you, Zach?

Do you go anywhere interesting? I went, uh, Jason's second home. I went up to Nashville. And, uh, that, uh, I went to a little business up there, but, uh, yeah, it was good.

We, uh, had a pretty cool kingdom encounter, which I've had a lot of these days. It's been weird, um, when I travel. It's kind of the same theme that keeps popping up. And the phrase is, um, that I keep hearing is some version of, I'm on a journey.

And, uh, people from all different kinds of backgrounds. And my opening line is, when I kind of sense it, I just say this. I'll say, "Are you a, are you a believer?" So I met this person. I was, I was at a, on one of the sets of, uh, Dickler podcast up there, and they were interviewing this person.

And I was, who, who, who were they interviewing? And then there was a girl in the room. She's a, well, that's my sister. Anything you want to know. I could tell you whatever you want to know about her.

And I could just sense something about her. But she was, like, looking for Christ and, um, uh, salsa. Do you believe her? I couldn't tell you.

I was kind of one of those things that she is, or she's on a journey. And she said, well, I'm on a journey. Not yet, but I'm on a journey.

And, um, and so we began to talk and what's interesting is, you know, we, I know a lot of times, our youth mentioned Jason and the podcast in between the podcast, which is our conversations in between recording. You'd mentioned, you know, getting pushed back a little bit

on some of the things we're teaching about the kingdom. Um, well, that specifically was the heaven and earth. You know, it was one of the few letters that I responded to because he was respectful. And just said, uh, I think you're, you're missing this.

Yeah. So, well, I got my-- Which is fine. I mean, I think that's a fair, if you're respectful, I think we have to have these conversations.

Yeah, I didn't mind.

Well, we always lead with, we could be wrong.

You know? Well, right. And not to hijack your story. Uh, not go ahead that helpful. Yeah.

But he was more saying, like, the phrase having an earth in the Jewish world and even in the Greek language is symbolically of like a new world.

“I think there's, that's why there's so much confusion”

over the different religious in the name of Jesus. Beliefs about like when Jesus comes back. Because, you know, you have a phrase in, like it's Matthew 24, where he talks about a new heaven and a new earth. But he's seemingly talking about the temple Jerusalem being destroyed.

Right. It's so graphic and contextual because it's like,

see these stones right here?

Not one will be left on another. And then it kind of gets into this, this figurative language from the Old Testament. But there's a phrase in there about a, you know, heaven and earth will not pass away or whatever.

And I'm like, well, in that case, I tend to agree with the guy who sent me this letter. I'm like, I don't think he's talking about there. And I want to do heaven and new earth at the end of time. But look, I told him I agreed with his basis that that phrase

is a new world, you know, from the perspective of the Jewish world when the temple got destroyed. But that was a new heaven and new earth, meaning like a new environment for which they would function. Because that was their life.

Right.

Whatever, where I pushed back was where we're adding our text in first John 3.

When Jesus comes back and post-resurrection, when Jesus was raised, there seems to be not seems. I mean, I believe it is fact that there was a new creation launched. Yes. He had a body that now encompassed heaven and earth.

He brought it together. And so I made the point in my lesson at the Marjorie fish this weekend that the garden, because we talked so much about the garden and the first man, the first woman, the first husband, first wife. And they idea about separating because of sin.

That it was a reset of the garden. I don't have any doubt in my mind. There's no doubt that Jesus came here to do that. And the Holy Spirit that was sent to live in us is then that taste, I call it that taste of eternity,

because the process has begun. The Spirit lives in us.

“That's why the idea of if you think of it as an inauguration”

that came in Jesus. And that's different than a consummation. Yeah. The inauguration is the beginning of the office. Right.

This is the beginning of the established office. The consummation is what's the end of all this? And so the Hebrew writer uses the same phrase that he used. So he calls it the world to come. And he says that it wasn't the angels.

This is Hebrews two. It was not to the angels that God subjected the world to come of which we are speaking. Yeah. That is the kingdom.

Right. It has been testified somewhere. What is man that you're mindful of him? The son of man that you care for him? You made him a little lower than the angels.

And you've crowned him of glory and honor putting everything in subjection under his feet. And so that's a reference to Psalm A.

“But I think that the Hebrew writer's talking about in this particular case.”

The world to come is going to be under our dominion. Now granted, Christ is above us. And we operate his vice-regions under him. But the picture there is that it's not fully realized yet. So you think about the new heavens and the new earth.

It's not fully realized yet. But it is here. And the sense of the kingdom of God is here.

that locality of God's presence now is being dispersed out throughout the globe.

And the temple of us, the Holy Spirit. So in that conversation, I was having this girl. She was talking about how I love Jesus. And I mean, she genuinely had a love for Christ. I mean, it was very apparent.

She began to cry as she was sharing her stories. She's like, it's just hard to make the full step because, you know, my family, I want to do this with my family, my kids and my husband. And there's just not there yet. And because they were coming out of this, she's, you know, Jewish.

And she's like, you know, they're in Hebrew school and whatnot. And I thought it was interesting because I think the Holy Spirit gave this to me. I said, well, you're not actually like leaving them.

“I said, you have to look at the story as a continuation.”

It's like that movie, which we mentioned on this podcast quite a bit. Six cents were Bruce Willis. The revelation is that, you know, he sees dead people. And are there little kids? He's dead people.

And he's a psychiatrist. And he's like trying to help us get out. Do you really see dead people? Or is this some kind of psychological issue you're having? And Bruce Willis is trying to figure out what's going on with this kid.

He's posed as his therapist. Yeah, he's like, I wish he would have done like an imitation where he's like, I see dead people. I see dead people. I see dead people.

I mean, that line, they kind of stuck with a generation. Maybe he's all 30 years old. But it's like this really popular film from when I was in high school. I was well done because you're like, It's one of the few movies that got me like a good picture.

He's like, everybody you see is dead.

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“But I think this is a good conversation because I've had people like in the last line I did.”

The VIP line. Someone asked this question. Said, "Well, I get why you all believe that we need a new earth. But why do we need a new heaven?" Which I thought.

We only have 12 seconds. Because the line. Somebody's waiting behind you. Somebody asked. That question.

How do you answer this? Well, I'll do a podcast segment on it. Maybe we're here. Because you said, "Well, how come there's multiple heavens?" Because, you know, "Memwan Paul had this weird encounter where everybody thinks he's talking about himself."

I'm not sure where that is.

It's a second Corinthians twelfth.

Yeah, a second Corinthians twelfth. He was called up to the third heaven. So VIP line member. That would infer that there are multiple heavens. Sometimes they use the word for the stars and all that.

When you get to Revelation 21 and 22, he's like, "Well, he brings up these heavenly bodies." Yeah. Paul brought that up. Well, we don't need the light anymore because he is the light. So that's that one aspect.

You also brought up Job. Well, when you tie that in with the book of Ephesians, where the church's job is to speak truth to spiritual forces and heavenly realms.

Because we got rebellious celestial beings roaming back and forth.

“Not doing what they were created to do in the image of God.”

But I mean, to the point of Ephesians, let me read that. Ephesians six, actually because you mentioned Ephesians. I think that's in three, three, two. But then in six, he says, "They actually battle. Here's the battle according to Paul and Ephesians."

Ephesians six, well, for we do not wrestle against flesh and blood. That's the earthly part, right? But against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this is it darkness against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. So you think, well, the earth got corrupted.

Well, it all got corrupted.

The heavens and the earth were together operating and they got corrupted first.

Because we inherited what happened there here. Oh, Satan came and tempted Adam and Eve. Well, where did he come from? Right, exactly. Well, and you just have to make implications.

Then there's a weird contrast in the book of Ezekiel to this king of tired with the evil one. You know, it kind of gives you some insight on why the evil and dead what he did. He was beautiful and majestic, had a position of authority.

“And like humans, instead of doing it, God's way, he was like, "Well, I think I'll do it my way."”

Yeah, I'm something. Hey, he's saying that something. Our walls connection to the source and then all these things add up. But for the human right, for the Bible, there's, I would call it, there's a breadcrum trail from Genesis 3 forward about the evil one. And it's just, we get the crumbs, but we don't really understand the full.

We can't get the full picture until we get to the end. I think when you think about all the texts like Romans 5 saying, "You know, as an atom, this train started of human sin and death." And then it's like, "But in Jesus, you have the spirit of life, like Romans 8." So, in my response to this guy, brought up Romans 8, but I also brought up the passage in Ephesians 2. It's like in a salvation context of, you know, we were following the spirit of the air, the evil one,

doing all these sinful activities, like we've all done. But then here are the grace of God appears. And it's like just sharing our conversion story. And then all of a sudden he drops in and he's seated us with him in the heavenly realms. Whereby skips over that. And so my point is something happened to heaven and earth.

When Jesus died, was buried and rose and went to the Father and the unleashed the spirit from heaven. Something happened. This place changed. There was a connection that happened between heaven and earth. Now, the implications of that when he comes back is will also be drastic for heaven and earth. Which is why I tend to believe that this new heaven and new earth will begin in that form.

And here's why, because this all takes us to me to where we're at and first shown three, which we didn't talk about this.

And I want to talk about it really bad.

“When he gets to that part where it says, "You should see me as he is."”

Yep. That first John three, and it says, "How great is the love the Father has labished on us?" And that's back to that connection and remaining in him. We're participating in the very love that was going on before the creation of the world. And I want to do another thing that I've stumbled upon. I won't do it today because we're taking a different avenue. But about this glory that existed before the creation of the world that he also prayed about in John 17 that was passed on to us.

This is just bookmarked up because it's very exciting. But then he says, "And that is what we are." And children of God. And then we did the friendship thing, your friends with your kids and your brothers and your wife. And you keep seeing this connection where sons and daughters of God, but where friends and brothers with Jesus. And we're intimate with his Holy Spirit.

And he makes that connection right there in that verse. As he goes from lavish love that we should be called children of God. There's your family connection right there. And that is what we are. We are the family of God connected. The reason the world does not know us is that it didn't know him.

And what we will be has not yet been made known. This is the source of so many distortions about what's going to happen as X axis, the eschatology of when Jesus comes back.

“And so look, there's 101 different ways to view, "Oh, what's going to happen when he comes, but what are we going to be?”

Is it going to be a new heaven, new earth earth earth? Are we all going to heaven? Are we going to have a body?" So, but he answers this. I told me that recently in an event they said, "Do I get my own cloud?" Yeah. I mean, most people say, "Well, then we're going to have him."

But the Bible actually never says that phrase.

Right. The only implication that you could actually draw to that is in that intermediate period with the, you know, the matchins, my father's house, many rains. So, I'm 14. Yeah, okay, they're like, "Where are the dead now?" Yeah.

That's the only phrase you could even equate to going to heaven in my opinion. Somebody asked me that in the Q&A recently, we were doing, they said, "Well, how will there be enough room?" Seems like we don't know. That was a true question. But look, let's just stick to the text.

But we know that when he appears, now we have to know in this context,

he's talking about when he comes back in the resurrection occurs,

because what we will be has not yet been made known. For we know that when he appears, we shall be like him. For we shall see him as he is. So, just think about this. If you just step back away from your religious persuasion,

and all you've been taught, just look at this simply. So, here comes a man who's doing things that seem godly or heavenly. He wasn't necessarily claiming to be the son of God, because he would refer himself to the son of man, which would be Adam, that the word is literally Adam, man.

But other people were like, "Well, this looks like the son of God." Now, there's another rabbit hole that we need to go down at some point about him being declared the son of God when he was raised. I have a whole list of verses, Romans 1, when it says, let me just quickly read that,

“I'm going to make a point about this that I think is very powerful.”

So, Romans 1, which I read this not too long ago, but it kind of deals with the earthly side of Jesus where he came from, and then the heavenly, because it says, Paul set apart for the gospel. He promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scripture,

regarding his son, capital S. Regarding his son, who's son? Well, God's son. Well, as to his human nature, was a descended David.

Okay, but then through the spirit capital S, of holiness was declared with power to be the son of God. How? I was resurrected from the day.

“And I think that's important because most people think,”

Jesus said, it's finished on the cross, well, they're like, well, we're done.

And the cross was essential.

But if you don't have the resurrection, I mean, if you walk by, you happen to be on that road that day, and looked up, and here's three guys hanging on the cross. Jesus in the middle.

What would you think? You would think, oh, he was probably a murder, child of bees or, I mean, even if you knew the story about him, like what he'd been doing,

and all this had to follow, and you say, well, there went that. I think this is important. Yeah. You'd, it wouldn't.

No person who is walking by is thinking, well, there's the son of God right there. You're just not thinking that. It was kept hidden as my point. And to your point, though, Jesus is very interesting.

The one person who I would call it, I would call it a prophecy, a prophesied about what was about to happen, was that Roman centurion, or Roman guard that looked up at him with everything

that went around and said. He said, surely this was the subject.

you know, got dark.

There things happened that he thought,

and he, but also the Romans believed, you know, their gods came and went and, you know, the demigods and some of them died.

“And so, but he, I believe that was a prophecy”

of what was about there. And my point is, there were some things finished at the cross. Yeah. There's no doubt about that.

I'm not saying it's not. Whatever it is, we can talk about. Yeah. And that's the last word he said. Yeah.

Well, what is it? Well, the problem is, you get some people saying it is everything. Well, no, I just read Romans 1. He was with power,

declared to be the son of God, through the resurrection. It doesn't end there. Which is why Paul would say in 1 Corinthians 15, Christ has not been raised.

And we're still in our sins. Our faith is futile. And our life has no meaning. That's the just of it. It didn't we say,

and was it, was it John 19?

And we say that Thomas was the first one

to declare it post resurrection in writing. He said, "My Lord." And my God. And my God. Oh.

Something different. Yes. So I saw all that say this. So here's this man. So he does.

You're thinking, well, that's over. Well, then he comes back. And he appears to almost 500, the believers. Which I think is interesting.

I'll start first Corinthians 15. So why would he only appear to the belief? Why would he just go try to prove himself? Because it's the same reason he just doesn't come out on a loud speaker right now

and say, "Hey, humans. Repent." Well, because it's more about the love, connection and relationship. All that than it is a fearful,

I'll turn or burn. Well, it all turned. But then that's not love. Right. Now, it's all faint.

And there's still this concept of seeking. That takes place with us. Yes. We seek him. So here's what's crazy.

He does. He's buried. He's raised. He so he comes back.

Well, he's never died, sent.

He's still alive. What's been 2,000 years? Right. Plus. Let me just let that sink in.

He's living. He's alive. You mentioned the distinction or people trying to... It's almost like people want to separate out the atonement and they want to say, "Oh, the atonement happens at the cross."

But if you look at the Hebrew case, this is the case in the Hebrew. So the Hebrew writer's making is he doesn't make a big... He lumps the whole atonement process

“if you want to call it a process in the death of Christ.”

The burial and the resurrection and the ascension. Because if you think about the old... The old covenant in the Hebrew writer does his brilliantly. He says, "Okay." So the old way was essentially the priest,

to high priest, on Yom Kippur. He makes a sacrifice. So that's your cross. That's your death. Then he takes that into the holy place

and does all the rituals and all the rhythms of the old way. Then he goes into the most holy place. And then that's where the real presence of God is found in that place. But when he flips the Jesus, what he says is, it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things

to be purified with these rights, with these rituals. So that's all a copy. This is in Hebrew, is 923. But the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

In other words, when you see the temple system, that was a copy of the real thing which was in the heavenly realms. And if you're going to enter into that place, the real place, the original, the actual thing that the whole thing's a copy of, well, you better bring a better sacrifice

and the blood of goats and bulls for verse 24 for Christ, has entered not into the holy places made with hands. You know, this is thanks Solomon.

“Surely the God of heaven is not going to dwell in a house built by my hands, right?”

Christ didn't go into those places, which are copies of the true things. But into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf, nor was it to offer himself repeatedly as the high priest enters the holy place, the one made with hands, every year with the blood, not his own. Then he would have had the suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world.

But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages, why? Why? Why did he appear in the heavenly place in the up and heaven? To put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

It's a whole process of atonement that happens through Christ doing the whole thing.

“He's like doing the whole, the vertical thing, but he's doing it in a different order.”

He will write a sentence in the order of my cousin, but what that means essentially is that he, this whole process is that you can't separate these things out. That whole story. That was about, well, I want to read you this. Look, in the context of baptism of all things, really. I mean, he's talking about, Jesus has brought us this access in chapter five to God,

and he demonstrated his love while we were sinners.

He died for us. This is this amazing grace.

So Paul has this kind of epiphany in the letter of light with shall we go on sin and so the grace may increase. It's so good. Is this just a license? And so he has this reenactment of what Jesus did. I've been baptized. It's just fascinating. But then what gets lost in that is verse nine of Roman six.

I'll go ahead and read eight through ten. Now if we die with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. He's like, what if you were just baptized into the death of Christ, you're like, well, that's finished. No, for we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, this is Roman six nine. Just let this get into your pores.

He cannot die again.

“That's why I said he came back a lot, and he's still alive.”

Death no longer has mastery over. That's over. The death he died, he died to sin once for all. There that was. But the life he lives, he lives to God. And just to make a side point on it, like when Paul said to the Corinthians of first Corinthians one thirty, it says, it is because of him that you are, here's us, those two most important words in the Bible.

It's because of him that you are in Christ Jesus. Who has become for us wisdom from God, our righteousness, our holiness, and our redemption? Well, how's he gonna do that if he's dead? Yeah. And so I said all that to say, when that first John passage says,

because Glory's never mentioned, but it's inferred in first John one, one, two, four, because we're participating in it.

But right here, when it says, but when we know, first John three two, that when he appears, we shall be like him. Well, what is that? I know one thing, it's alive. Yeah. It takes you back to when he was raised. Right.

He appeared to the 500, he had conversations, he had a conversation,

“and a book of Acts, they're like, are we going to restore the kingdom of Israel?”

You know, and he's like, don't worry about the times and dates. The spirit's going to come on. Well, keep going back. What do they do when he, he organized the big fish and operation in John 20. They called 153 years at 21, one of those after 21.

They catch 153 and, you know, Peter jumps out of the boat and he's like, come, let's have breakfast. What? The dead guy who's alive now said, let's eat some breakfast. Well, he has to be heavenly because earthly people can't come back from the dead.

So he has to be, he has to have some form of supernatural. Something has happened. These are live. In the closest thing, we've come up with our people that come back from the dead. They don't eat fish.

They just want to eat you. Well, we got the zombies. That was the closest we could get. But you see my point. The reason that I went from the guy who sent me the letters saying the new heaven, new earth,

is always just, it could mean anything.

It's just a new beginning. It's a new world within your world. The reason that I had to expand my view of the narrative of the entire Bible, is it starts off with God creating the heavens and the earth. It ends with him coming out of heaven, creating the new heaven and the new earth.

Right.

There's some kind of book in.

I'm on earth. There's a heaven. And then here's this one who represented heaven. Multiple times. He like, I'm from heaven.

I'm from heaven. I'm from heaven. His mom never had sex. How did he get here? Right.

He's an earthly heavenly being. That's why I read the Romans one. And now he's eating fish, post, post resurrection.

“To me, if there's not going to be a new heaven and a new earth, why is he eating fish on the earth?”

As a heavenly being. Now, I know that may be simplistic, mind it. I just have failed to hear anything that can get around that. As far as heaven and earth being a new place, where once we are like him,

we can eat fish if we want it.

We can have breakfast now.

Now, what does that look like? Well, what we are has not been yet made known. It's hard for me to relate. But I know one thing. He's alive.

He ate some fish. He was talking. People knew who he was. But we're going to be like him. And also think about the next verse.

As everyone who has this hope in the one we shall be looked like. In him, purifies himself. Just as he is pure. How does hope purify?

Anything. Unless, somehow, the hope in what we believe somehow has come to reside in us. And therefore, purifies us. Now.

Which is why I read that. That's great because we're learning. How has he become for us to wisdom in the hole in it? Because he's alive. We're connected to it.

Exactly. We can't die. But you're going to die. But yeah, I'm going to come back and guess what? I'm going to eat some fish on earth if I want to.

Right. And so think about it. So we said at this table. And our dear old dad set right there. When it was in another location.

And he kept saying, as we were getting close to his physical death on this earth, he kept saying, what? The resurrection looms large. So even in the recognition of this life and coming death, unless the Lord comes back first,

we realize death doesn't have a mastery.

“That's why when we spoke at his funeral,”

which was just a celebration of his life up until this point, before eternal life, we looked at it. We said death has no mastery over it. He's going to come back.

It's a very powerful life.

And the reason I keep bringing up this glory, because when I read that John 17, and I'm like, we get to participate in this love before the creation of the world. But I skipped over that glory part, because I didn't really understand it.

And when I read Exodus 33, which we don't have enough time to get into it, but I would like to. It has this whole image of this little story about when God says, you know, hide in the cleft of the rock.

And because you can't see my face in this kind of thing, which he eventually becomes a face in Jesus. But there's some phrases in there that about God revealing his glory to Moses. And he's like, my presence,

which is the word Hebrew word for face. We'll be with you, and I am pleased with you. Well, that little phrase got me in Exodus 33. And read that on your own,

and then when we come back on a future podcast, we'll break it down. He also says, and I'll give you rest. Well, he's not talking about the Sabbath. What's he talking about?

I give you rest.

“And I think that goes back to that John 15.”

You're connected to the source. You don't have to perform somehow to get his approval. You have everything he has, and he's going to go through you. But when I, that, that,

and I'm pleased with you. And I heard this from a sermon from CS Lewis one time. Of course, it didn't know what it meant. And he said, "You know, I used to think glory was bad for humans to think, "Oh, we want some kind of glory."

But God is saying, "My approval of you is a glory that you should pursue." Yeah. You should pursue that. When he said, "I'm pleased with you."

Well, it made me, it took me back to the baptism of Jesus, which is why I think Paul brought it up in Romans chapter 6. What happened? He identified him as his son. He, he said, "This is my son."

"Who my love?" Because that's the connection that was all along. And then he said, "And whom I'm well pleased." Same phrase that Moses used to Moses.

By God, in him being, his representative. And I just thought, "Ooh." Ooh. Now that makes sense on why John won, it says,

Remember, he brought what he brought.

And was that John won 1780. But the son revealed the glory, the glory of the one and only son. Moses brought. What does it say?

Let me read it. John won 16. From the fullness of his grace,

“we have all received one blessing after another.”

For the law was given through Moses. Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God,

but God, the one and only son,

who is at the Father's side, has made him known. So I'll read all that because, let me read this in John 17 just a. Where does it say about that glory?

This is in his prayer, praying for all the believers. He says, "Listen to this." I'll just start reading in verse 20 and we'll find it. My prayer is not for them alone.

“A prayer also for those who will believe in me,”

through their message. That's all of them. Yeah, maybe one. Father, just as you are in me, and I am in you,

how intimate connection is is. May they also be on us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I've given them, here it is, the glory, that you gave me,

that they may be one as we are one. I end them in you and me. May they be brought to complete unity, to let the world know, that you sent me and have loved them,

even as you have loved me. And it repeats it again in 2011. So my point is, just think of us as humans and me and being rejected in life and all of a sudden,

you realize that the God's pursuing me. Yeah. He's chosen me to be in this fellowship of love and glory. And it's so important to know that God is pleased. He's pleased with you.

Yeah. And so we surrender. There's your validation, there's a lot of humans going around with horrible lives, because they were rejected at an early age,

and they're just trying to be a man. And prove that there were something to achieve some glory. Just think of all the counseling scenarios, start it off and they weren't sixth grade, and they didn't get picked to be whatever.

So they live the rest of the life.

“And I really think there's something to that when he says,”

"Will it be like him now and forever more?"

I think it's a powerful thing.

That's good. We'll get into that glory, because I got a cool thing that from our major refresh about the crowns that we've been given, that was really interesting,

plays right in which we're talking about. So we'll pick up on this next time. I'm going to understand. Thanks for listening to The Unashained Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review

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