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you need. I'm Shelley. And I'm Kathy. Where will our jobs be? As artificial intelligence becomes more commonplace.

It's here and a lot of people are worried they're going to become obsolete.

Today we're tackling an even bigger question.

“How can women stay relevant and thrive in a future shaped by AI?”

We've got the perfect guest to guide us. To Lula Lomeral is a leader at the crossroads of technology, business and human potential. She heads AI investment strategy for fifth era and blockchain company investors. A firm with more than 1,500 startups in its portfolio, including over 80 unicorns like Coinbase, Crocken and OpenC.

She sees exactly where the future of work is headed. To Lula is also an AI advisor and fractional COO who helps company scale without sacrificing culture or well-being. She's an Oxford graduate with additional study at MIT Sloan and she's spoken at prestigious venues including the UK House of Commons and is known for her keynote, the case for hope

in the age of AI. I think we're all looking for that. Kathy and I are honored to have her on the show to learn how we can adapt and be indispensable with AI on the horizon. Welcome to Lula.

Thank you for being with us. Thank you guys so much for having me.

“I'm so looking forward to this discussion.”

Oh gosh. Sure. We're delighted to have you. Absolutely. To Lula, your credentials and experience are impeccable.

Can you give us a brief background on yourself before we discuss how AI is going to change your workplaces? Yeah. I mean, and thank you for the intro. You covered much of it there, but I see what color I can add.

I grew up in California and the West Coast but out of a family that is mostly British with some French. So actually the majority of my adult life has been spent in UK and Europe before moving back here just about a year ago for many of the reasons you cited when you gave the overview about the work I do and the world of AI which still very much has it's, you know,

one of the big clubs for that is out on the West Coast, but I spent a long time as a consultant and advisor for large corporates, helping them navigate technology and, you know, digital and data transformation, how do they reach and interact with their customers and a world in it in the digital era. And there was a lot of AI strategy and they're back before it was the buzzword, super

to your term of the day and it was more about machine learning and big data and at some point though, I said, you know, I, this is such, I really want to be part of the cutting edge of this space and to do so I want to be at the heart of the ecosystem. So I left the firm I was working for and started independently advising the really fast growing startups in the space as they were navigating their growth journeys did that for a number

of years and now I found myself on the investment side of the equation as you mentioned my role at fifth era, we, we invest in frontier technology areas and I lead our AI strategies. So I'm kind of in the world of early stage venture now, but I have to say that my true platform and passion is at the intersection of AI topics. We hear a lot about the technology and less about the implications for us and on our life. And when we do hear about it at

the moment, it's pretty fear-based which is completely understandable because there's a lot of uncertainties and unknowns and very valid risks of the current moment. But I see

huge opportunity and I've always considered myself a humanist. That's, you know, the other

thing I'd say is the red threads aside from my career, which we so identify with. And that's like my intro has been all about my career, but alongside that, I'm just such a passionate investigator of the human condition and our behavior, human psychology. When I took a sabbatical year after leaving the firm, I really immersed myself in the world of well-being consciousness, wisdom. I was a student of every topic under the sun. I did the science

human centered AI and other related topics. And I just am so passionate about us as a spinole. How we interact, behave, our patterns, our conditioning. And I feel really hopeful from a pretty grounded place of understanding both sides of the equation. And one more, just one more, I have four brothers. I grew up in a very male-dominated, but fun household. And I love now to speak to women, gather women, find and create the tribe, you know. That's

really lighting me up in my life right now. So it sounds like you're pretty optimistic about how we're going to interact with AI. I know that I read an article in Forbes that said

by 2030. 92 million jobs will be displaced. That's according to the World Economic

Forms Future of Jobs Report 2025. But at the same time they're saying 170 million new jobs will be created. So do you think people are just fearful because it's new and they're just wary and they have misinformation and fear that's unfounded? I love that you started with that start because it's the first place I start when I have these discussions to is jobs. Because it's so near-term, it's very close to people's hearts. You know, it's like

my livelihood, my job. But what you pointed out there is that, you know, most of the messaging gets stuck on the 90 million jobs displaced and replaced. And I don't want to diminish

it. Like that's a huge shift. It's going to be a massive evolution that impacts every

industry, some more than others and some types of roles and work more than others. But the fact of the matter is that similar to the internet, you know, that these technologies create entirely new industries that we can't really file them at the outset. Like the internet brought in social media brought in the possibility that we're doing this podcast now from remote locations via something called Zoom, really we couldn't have filed them

that or the size and scale of e-commerce, for example. You know, so new industries arise in new career ladders where you have hybrid, you know, human AI in this case, roles. But

in that case, just, you know, internet now underpins absolutely, everything we do. Well,

“most of what we do in the information era, right? So it's a evolution. And I think, you”

know, you said it's unfounded. I don't think fear is ever unfounded. It's very natural human response to change. It's just our amygdala's designed to keep us safe from things we don't where we can't file them where we can't clearly see what's going to arise. The difference of the moment we're in is that we have social media and all these ways in which we can share our concerns, fears, et cetera. And so I really worry is that we just get lost

in that type of messaging and we don't look at the very valid facts that point towards hope and opportunity as well. And each change, you're right, people don't like it. I mean, obviously, when the automobile came around, people who had horse and buggies didn't like it. And of course, there were all of these crazy thoughts that G if you go over 45 miles an hour, it's going to be bad, especially to women. And they're internal organs and their reproductive

“organs and all of this, they'd be compromised. That's what they actually thought. People didn't”

want to have the change. People don't like change. And I think a lot of times when people think of AI, they're afraid of it taking over. They remember the movie 2001, a space Odyssey. You know what? Hell, you know, is that all unfounded? I mean, there's so many benefits to AI. But obviously, it needs to be handled correctly, too. Of course. Yeah, so here's the framing I put on it. If I just zoom out from any one one individual fear, and I'll point to actually a few of them

that are commonly cited. So of course, this technology, like any other and actually more so than any other because of the pace of development. And so on will be deeply disruptive. But I believe deeply beneficial for humanity. And that is because, as a species, you know, we've evolved through countless areas of, we've, we were hunter-gatherers. We were, then, agrarians were 90% of us were farmers. We spent all our time tilting the land. We were industrialists and factories. And now we're

“in this digital age. And there's progress with each of those, but I think that we forget”

that with innovation also comes this distancing from the kind of fabric and essence of what makes us human. We've lost a lot of our connection to self, to our physical bodies, our somatic intelligence,

is done in this isolated way on screens. I mean, we spend a lot of time sedentary. We were disconnected from the natural world. We're indoors for almost all that we do. We don't have that ecological intelligence of living off the land that we once had. And so, in that framing, and then I can ground it and, you know, that sounds very lofty, but in that framing, AI is this massive disruptor,

but also, I always ask, like, disruptive to what? You know, if it's disrupting that, it can also be

this potential catalyst for real, you know, deepening or return to human flourishing. And to help us remember a lot of these forgotten forms of intelligence that we've gotten out of touch with. So, I would just say, you know, you cited this macrophier AI will overpower humanity. That's a big, you know, runaway AI in alignment is definitely something that we need to address in terms of the models and selves and bias and inference and decision making. But I think for every

“fear, there's a corresponding hope that you can cite. And that's what, you know, I speak about this”

topic all the time and the books coming out soon, which I'm so happy I've just had the opportunity

to flesh out this thinking more broadly, but it's like, we talked about the jobs one, does it

take jobs or does it free us from kind of drudgery and a modern definition of work that doesn't really dignify the human experience? It's bad for the environment. That's another one, you know, the energy demand is cited a lot. And that's true in terms of where we are right now with capability, but AI is also, it's a greatest tool for efficiency. We've ever created. And that's efficiency and everything we do is a species. And I actually, you know, my degree at Oxford

was largely around environmental geography and I see AI is one of the greatest allies in the climate crisis that we have access to. And so on and so forth, you know, it will, you know, people think

it'll make us less intelligent. Well, was true intelligence ever only really cognitive? Again,

I'm a little bit simplifying now for the purposes of just framing it here. And I don't want

“to lose nuance or risk involved, but I think it's important to frame these on a certain level.”

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How to stay relevant is AI reshapes the future of work and we have the perfect guide for this conversation. To Lula Lemurl leads AI investment strategy for firms connected to more than 1500 startups, including over 80 unicorns like Coinbase and OpenC. She's not guessing where things are going. She's seeing it unfold in real time. While some jobs may become obsolete, new careers will be created. This technology, because of the pace of development, will be deeply disruptive

but also beneficial to humanity. We just need to stay mindful and informed. Let's get back to the

“discussion. To Lula, what jobs do you see? Maybe becoming obsolete. How should people retrain and pivot?”

I think that that's where a lot of concern is. I've been hearing some things where people are coming out of college right now and they're wondering, is there a job going to be relevant in the next 10 years or even 20? Are there specific areas where people can train or retrain so that they

to this point, definitely, I think the IMF said about 40% of global employment is exposed to AI

and will face some sort of disruption and six to seven percent of the U.S. workforce could be replaced in the next decade. Again, it's thought that it will be relatively gradual. The Goldman Sachs says 0.5 points is the estimated peak unemployment effect, which translates to pretty gradual

“for context, I think COVID was 11 points and the economic recession of 2008 was 5 for something”

like this. So the jobs, it impacts is those that are kind of manual data entry processes and workflows within corporate settings. That's in the immediate term. It's already happening.

As corporates are adopting this at scale, enterprise AI is absolutely booming and it's also the

you know, I wouldn't say manual, but there's a lot of use case of AI in kind of warehouses and in supply chain and to replace some of the oversight that humans would have done in those context. So those are some of the ones. I believe reabsorption will be pretty high. So as those sorts of jobs are impacted, there's this opportunity that they could be absorbed into other areas or sectors. It's an unequal effect on these kind of like white color roles

“that I mentioned and on developed economies, which the only benefit of that is that people are”

skilled and trained in those roles. So there is an opportunity for re-skilling and that there's capabilities up like not even, you know, it could just be okay you were doing that this previous role now that roles augmented by AI. So how do you learn how to work with that tool in a similar context to what you were doing before? And that just means we're going to need to have really good programs, whether it's within a corporate context or whether it's government lead or but to

re-skill to help help people navigate this transition. Yeah, it's a huge transition when you think about it. It's massive and that's not even getting to the entirely new industries. I was saying, mentioning that we'll arise that we can't even fathom yet, right? So for that, it's almost hard to say for people what we don't know what we don't know. You know, even here at work, we have, I've been working for, I work for Exxon Mobile, I've been Northern Canada and we have

been using autonomous trucks for the last five years, I think. And we're the first, we're the

only mine in North America to have an all autonomous truck. So we lost 81 drivers of those trucks that got laid off when we went full on autonomous. They started just by one truck to trucks to try it out and now we have 81 autonomous trucks. And I got to say, it has been really a difficult transition, but it's also been really sad to see people lose their jobs and now to work with these robots on a daily basis, it's awful. You know, just just the little things like missing waiting at people,

you know, or like it's just, they're cold, they're unforgiving, they're, they, it's, I don't know, I'm not, I'm not enjoying it at all, but I mean, yeah, the robots, yeah, it's very difficult to

“in the mining section anyway. So yeah, and I think that brings up this other important point,”

which is that as a species, we're so social and we're, by nature. And so people worry like that certain things will swing completely in one direction and we'll lose the kind of human touch, human centricity to a lot of the work that we do. And in the short term, there may be a little bit of a swing, but then I think that we'll read just because, as you say, like, there's already this reaction response to things that don't feel in line with our nature. They don't give us the same

touch and tonality and experiences we desire. But I don't, I agree with you, like, I don't want it. There's no downplaying just how painful part of this transition will be and uncomfortable and strange and teething problems, right? There's that curve people talk about when you're in the trough of disillusionment, when it comes to new innovation where you have all these transitional pains, you have changed fatigue, people are sick of, sick of hearing about it. There is this very

painful period where, yeah, there's a lot of teething problems, transitional pain, changed fatigue, people are sick of hearing about it. There early use cases are kind of more experimental in their nature and their less than ideal. There's a lot to navigate in the coming years. And I do

there's a concern that they'll be in balance distribution of the economic benefits from AI and therefore an increasing need for measures to kind of mitigate against that. That's where you get this whole discussion about UBI universal basic income. You've heard, have you heard about any of the discussion around that or there's a lot of debate that is good, that it's bad, it's a lot like it

“or don't. I will personally put a flag in the ground to say that I think it in theory is a wonderful”

thing, but the real question is about how you would really fund it at scale. So the concept is that basically you, you provide, you know, a stipend whether it's on a monthly basis or whatever it may be to individuals, whether or not there, you know, it's a universal basic income stipend that that gets provided and they've done many trials about this in Finland and California. They did one more recently. I think in the last five years where they gave people $500 a month and the findings

from it always has that your well, you know, people's well-being improves, they have less stress,

they have better mental health, they feel more secure, and that this big fear is like, oh well, then no one will have work incentives, they're not going to work, they're what are we going to do, just like lay back and play, you know, be in nature all day or dance or create art and first of all, I'm like, okay, well, what would be so wrong with that? But second of all, they actually found that that's not the case. People are almost double as likely to move from part to full-time work

when they have a stipend that covers their basic needs because they don't have that survival stress and they can go out and find something properly for themselves to do and get job interviews and their transport and childcare, et cetera, is covered and so it really creates upward mobility. Now, the issue is all those pilots have are very targeted and very, you know, their pilots, their small scales. So, universally, UBI would require much larger funding source and there's kind of

this open question about how that would be done. But it transitions us from this like, again, pretty modern mode of work that we've been in, which is the nine to five, 40 in model except now we all do it on screens, like the hunter-gatherers would be shuttering, considering that that's

“how we ended up spending all of our time, however many centuries later, right?”

I don't know, it's a human work has always evolved and where we derive our definition of purpose

and meaningful effort has changed massively over lifetime of humanity and it's going to shift again. And I think we're in that shift now and I think you're right. Industry movement trucking moves America forward is telling the story of the industry, our safety champions, the women of trucking, independent contractors, the next generation of truckers, and more help us promote the best of our industry share your story and what you love about

trucking share images of a moment you're proud of and join us on social media. Learn more at truckingmuseAmerica.com Welcome back to Women Road Warriors with the Shelley Johnson at Kathy Takaro. If you're feeling uncertain about where you fit into an AI-driven future, this conversation for you to little of the moral is known for her message of hope in the age of

AI, but it's grounded in real world experience. She works directly with emerging companies, studies what's working and helps the leaders adapt without getting left behind.

Human work has always evolved, it's just a matter of evolving with it. This is in theory,

it's strategy that you can use. Let's return to the conversation. To Lola, we're miles away from how people worked even 50 years ago. We can work remotely and never even step into the office in many cases. And it is quite the transition having face-to-face being able to be in front of someone versus on a screen. I do think that the technology has impacted our communication skills definitely to be able to work with AI so that it augments us versus makes us less likely to

“communicate. I think would be a good thing. Human beings adapt, but not as quickly as technology.”

And of course, a lot of that goes into how AI is trained, correct? I mean, it's the machine learning. Yeah, exactly. So let's talk about this because there's this getting kind of to another point about why AI and its current forms is bad for kind of our collective well-being interaction, et cetera, not least because we're offloading cognitive, cognitive decision-making and

you mentioned, it makes us disconnected. We spend more time in virtual engagement rather than something that feels more real, quote-unquote, this "sicophantic issue." Like, oh, it's only going to tell us what we want to hear. So it's going to reinforce our existing beliefs. And this misuse, you know, there was a story about AI, I mean, if you're getting someone into taking their own life, I said, because they're worth the proper guardrails. And it's like awful stories. I mean,

“truly, right? Like, and I'm not denying any of that. I think there's some real issues in terms of”

where the models are that need to be absolutely worked on. But there are, you know,

I would say, again, and I don't, I never want to understate the validity of those risks.

But I would say, early use cases of technology tend to be less than ideal, right? Like, I'm, again, I'll say talk about the internet. The early internet was all dark web for spam, pop-ups. Like, it was not safe or secure. It was like, there was a real moral panic about it in the early 2000s, right? It's just actually what I'd heard was, uh, porn was what kind of grew the internet. It was kind of the backbone of revenue in the early stages of, in the 90s,

and I was going to go, wow. Yeah. So, and now the internet's the backbone of everything we do today. And it's still not safe. And it's still not fully secure our ideal. But it's mostly, you know, okay, we interact with it day to day. So, so I would say that on each of the points we mentioned, there's absolutely things being done to address bias and misuse and to ensure the proper guard rails. And that's happening. There's even, there's more and more pressure on the foundation

model players themselves because of regulation and safety catching up with innovation,

which always tends to log a bit behind, but it's coming. But also on a unified,

most global cooperation to address some of these things. And then I would say, there are, you know, this technology is just as powerful of a tool for positive outcomes when it's used in the right ways. For example, when Chachi B5 came out, there was a kind of, there was quite a few people up in arms. No, I wouldn't up in arms is a bit strong, but there was a reaction because it didn't feel like it had the same quality of

relating to people as prior models had. And there was this almost wake up, which since has spawned this whole conversation about empathetic AI and emotional use cases of AI, that people felt deeply validated by this technology. They felt seen and heard in this virtual context, of course. But like, then to become familiar with what that feels like and what good looks like to seek it out in person. And it's getting kupuid in some, you know, dialogues as like

“sycophantic AI. But I think there's really something there. Like that's a powerful reaction to”

be stirring in humans. And there's opportunities as well to improve empathy, improve peer-to-peer empathy. There's tools and startups working on, you know, use cases of AI where they're monitoring and training individuals on how to have person-to-person dialogues and they, you know, they'll rate the level of trust in that conversation or how much, you know, is their bias or prejudice and what they're saying is there and then give them feedback accordingly. There's

an opportunity that this tool can improve our openness because, you know, we can use it for bias reduction training. We can, it can provide examples that are kind of counter stereotypical or help challenge our assumptions. It's like a mirror. You know, we've created this tool that can be a mirror. It can improve our self-increate and improve our reflection. It can, if you, you know, integrate it with wearables and things we put on our bodies, it can help with emotional regulation. It can

give us biofeedback. It can give us real time detection of our own stress and intervene accordingly.

And so there's this like amazing, there's potential there, too, right? But it's lost in the

sea of the concerns that exist right now, which I also understand. Sure. Well, I think people are afraid of how it's influencing, maybe younger people who think it's a friend or use AI as a substitute friend rather than interacting with people on a face-to-face basis, a lot of people are doing it virtually. So these are some of the transitions. And of course, I do feel that we're social animals.

“We need to be face-to-face. And if you have to, that's where parents need to be,”

probably, involved. Limit their children's screen time and that kind of thing so that they

No, and I would, I mean, I think there's an opportunity to enhance, like I was saying, but I get it.

“Like, we've just lived through the social media age, which completely I feel has scarred us pretty”

deeply because social media, like the promise, was that it would connect us all in these new ways. And for sure, there's been benefits of it in terms of creating some sense of community. And like, we can peer into people's lives across the globe from us and see new perspectives. And but also those platforms ended up being designed in a pretty nefarious way to an afflict with psychology. Like, it's all about the dopamine hit and staying, you know, keeping us retained on the platform

and constantly refreshing and caring about the likes and comparing ourselves and feeling anxious. And it's been a disaster to be honest on so many fronts. But what I would say is, I almost feel there's a benefit to the fact that we've lived through that wave that now we have such a strong collective will to design technology more consciously. And actually, that we have this like back this huge backlash. Now to AI, if we see even just a tiny inkling that it could be bad for us

in the same way that AI, I'm sorry that social media was. And so now you have wonderful, wonderfully intentional conscious people demanding that we design this this technology now with ethics and integrity at the core. There's more accountability that that's good. Oh, massively. I mean, like, you hear it like the backlash and the outrage even from the public and the fear, it serves a good purpose, right? It's putting a ton of scrutiny and strain on the people building in this

“space to get it right in ways that social media failed us. And so I don't think it's, I think it's”

a good thing. It's a good thing. It's kind of like, maybe that they're going back to Isaac Asimov, who had the three laws of robotics, a robot may not injure a human being or allow a human to come to harm. That's one of them. Must obey orders by humans and must protect its own existence as long as it does not conflict with the first two laws. So in other words, humanity is

always at the forefront of importance. And that's, you know, you mentioned this like Mac will AI

overpower us, the AI overlord kind of scenario, which as you said has been around for a decade and literature and, you know, popular film, you know, representations and film and things like this. The one thing I see that's really hopeful here and I go in much more detail in, in book and other places. But humans, we've always created another and a self. It's goes back to our tribal nature, right? Like we needed to establish boundaries in terms of what the tribe was versus others,

because we had a limit about resources. So it's in our nature to other. And we've done it across all sorts of, you know, we do it on religion, we do it on gender, we do it on so on. Now we've almost created an other that is not human, you know, the AI is the other. And when we've created this, this non-human other humanity becomes the self. And so when it comes to macro risks of AI and AI in the hands of bad actors or in, in war use of AI and warfare and weaponry to scale the impacts

of war and these sorts of concerns, we then create this invitation to like establish and stand behind what is humanity as a self and a shared set of human values, which is another big conversation happening right now. It's like, how do you even start to define what human values are given that's such a diverse, you know, where do you begin to then be able to encode that into the technology where we're building. But that conversation's happening and you get unprecedented global

cooperation to try to start to answer that question. That's interesting. So maybe this could unify humanity. I mean, there's the opportunity in nothing that I'm saying and I say for sure, this is what's going to happen. I'm just saying for every fear, there's a mirror hope and any

“trajectory is really possible at the moment. But I truly believe wherever we focus, that's where”

energy will flow. So if we are constantly imagining and spending all our time in energy and attention envisioning those worst case scenarios, we're just much more likely to end up there and build for them. I'm just trying to balance the dialogue so people can choose more intentionally

where they want to focus and just see that there's another side to the equation here always.

That's important.

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share images of a moment you're proud of and join us on social media. Learn more at truckingmooseamerica.com Welcome back to Women Road Warriors with the Shelley Johnson that Kathy Tekaro. We're talking about one of the biggest questions facing all of us right now. How to stay relevant is AI reshapes the future of work and we have the perfect guide for this conversation. To Lula Lemurl leads AI investment strategy for firms connected to more than

1500 startups including over 80 unicorns like Coinbase and OpenC. She's not guessing where things are going. She's seeing it unfold in real time. While some jobs may become obsolete, new careers will be created. This technology because of the pace of development will be deeply disruptive

“but also beneficial to humanity. We just need to stay mindful and informed.”

Let's get back to the discussion. Tila, would you say regarding AI with hope versus fear is a better way to look at things. Hope is not something we're sold very often anymore. It's all because of the way our social media digital era kind of works. It is all about sharing and clicks and engagement. A lot of the messaging has gone towards fear and anger and just kind of inciting in us those emotions that really move us to action. So you don't have as much hope

filled messaging. Well, we think about Obama with his like, yes, we can. Just how powerful

of a rallying cry that was. Always a choice. It's just always there as a choice and as an option.

And I actually think you need people on every side of the equation. You need people who are very skeptical and who worry wisely because they make a sharper and they make us more responsible and they force us to really scrutinize what we're building and how we're building it. But you also need, hopeful, you know, humanists, flag bearing to this new era and painting a picture of the problems of the world we live in today that could be solved by taking a bet on really cutting edge

technology because how else are we going to solve some of these things? Like the climate crisis, we're like, this sticky situation we've gotten ourselves into. I don't believe can be solved with the same brains that created it. And there's a lot of issues like that. And ICAIs, as I said, like a real ally in addressing some of these things, inequality, health access to healthcare, access to education, globalizing and democratizing some of these things, making us more efficient

and therefore less energy consuming and everything that we do, partnering with earth observation, satellite data to spot methane leaks and changes to, you know, icebergs and illegal, you know, logging operations and the Amazon much faster and like so much potential. Why aren't they using AI to detect meteors? And that sort of thing because they've been concerned about that too that something could come from outer space and just kind of like the

big bang. We don't need that. Are you using that same technology to do forecasting or to see

“what's happening before we could actually figure it out as humans?”

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, AI because of it's kind of, you, when you, when you use even chat to BTU, you see that it's one thing it does is just process, analyze, turn out results, possibilities,

scenarios, in a fraction of a second of the time it would take us to do it.

So you'd like that to just about any issue in the world and you're just turbocharging our ability to spot, detect, hypothesize, stimulate or sorry, not simulate possible outcomes and then plan accordingly. So yeah, there's like use, I mean, digital twins at earth level and city level and and in every industry and for example, like when you mentioned, they're just, they abound. Well, I know that AI is playing a huge role in medical diagnostics.

Basically, that could really, that would help with human longevity and prevention and catching things earlier before you have to have invasive surgery. I mean, the potential is huge

What industries and what companies do you see being in demand as we make the transition to AI?

Well, healthcare is an emit is a great one to mention. I get really excited about a lot of the use cases of AI in healthcare, again, because it has the possibility to deeply personalize care and to do democratize access to healthcare in a way that we don't currently have.

“And I think what's important is that always human, a human doctor should be making the final call.”

But there's so much that AI can do. I mean, in pathology, their AI microscopes now can scan tissue samples and identify cancer cells with a speed and with a consistency that far surpasses the human ability to it, which then frees up those doctors, the pathologist to actually focus on a the most complex cases are on the treatment and the care itself, rather than on the identification, same thing goes in any other like dermatology or or when you're analyzing scan. So like in

cardiology, but looking at EKGs, it came to tact like faintest signals that human, that the human eye, that even be invisible to the human eye. So if you have an impending heart attack, but it's really subtle signals that will pick up things like that. So it's all about like the human still

“handles all the nuance and the context and the final decision making, but there's this opportunity of”

AI to support with powder recognition and speed up the time to diagnosis and catch things early and then and then to look at the full person and consider all of their data and inputs and information to deeply personalize whatever course of treatment there than led to. And and I just

that one's so it's so it's this fascinating, wonderful space that so AI and health care is an amazing one.

So many others I could venture. I don't know how deep we want to go into it. I mean it's like it's interesting in the world of education and the world of financial services and open up new pathways to financial inclusion and access and in creative arts it's fascinating people are really worried about AI take you know AI generated contents like destroying human content and all these sorts of fears, but there's actually a lot of potential there too, so we could go down any avenue,

but certainly a lot of the performers are very worried that they are not going to be needed. They'll be making movies with AI. No humans needed. Is that true or how does someone mitigate against that sort of thing? Yeah, I mean I would always say it's with anything like the anxiety about disruption in these industries is definitely not misplaced. It's very legitimate, things are changing very quickly. Art and creative arts like in their purist form to me are just such a natural

expression of human condition that you can't replace creativity ever. It's just like an innate

human trait. That's the first thing I'd say. The second I would say is that this is always been a

concern in creative fields, right? Like we thought that the radio would replace you know it would mean that live artists and musicians would be completely there'd be no market for them. And instead it actually like democratize access to their craft and they reached entire new audiences or we thought CGI and film would destroy the actual craft work within you know and within making movies, but instead it created entirely new genres. And so on and so forth there's other examples of that.

“And I think that really it's they're kind of it's being referred to as create, create tech”

industry that it's like this again hybrid human AI art outputs content that creates entirely new possibilities and expands the boundaries of what our imagination can create and working in tandem perhaps is a better approach with AI because it could expand our potential much more than we ever thought possible in so many areas obviously. Are there specific areas you see where people going into business women going into business or people who want to retrain where are some of the

hottest areas right now for AI so that people can pivot and make this transition a much smoother one and profitable for themselves? I thought he's like the exam question and again it's a little bit to an extent there's this point of we can't fathom what we can't fathom like I was reading this

others we had no clue again like social media, no clue um you know being on video chats miles away

“for like worlds away from each other, no clue. So I mean I always when I talk to students I say”

whatever you're passionate about whatever area, whatever industry just learn about how AI's impacting influencing that industry and get savvy about it and start from there that's one and then I zoom out even further the here's my this is like a personal opinion right because we can't really know but my hypothesis is this in a future where so much can be automated so much of the problem solving and the kind of rigorous analytical cognitive work that we've done. I asked myself

like what remains uniquely human like what is it that can't be replaced and for me it's some of the things we touch on earlier the factor of social creatures we want to connect we want to come together

we want to gather we want to commune that will never go away that we have physical bodies a

somatic experience of the world around us that's like you know then these physical bodies contain a lot of their own wisdom and you know women in a and a coma could still create life and come you know bear a full-term pregnancy whether or not her brain was online for any of that.

“So our bodies carry all this incredible wisdom and um I think the well-being industry has massively”

grown as people get more and more in touch with their physical bodies so there's that and so I see and then again our creativity our imagination like these innate human traits that aren't at risk of like extinction by this you know tool that we've created and so in that future I think any work that really has that as its core becomes deeply valuable it comes at a premium almost like social capital creative capital connection as currency conversation as currency these sorts of spaces

experiences events gathering um and things that restore us to lost intelligences that are you know to do with our broader human nature outside of our ability to have a sharp brain that's constantly innovating right like these sorts of things so I don't know even what that looks like in terms of

“industries or spaces but I'm excited you ask about women it's like we are wonderful at so many of those”

things they they are innate within our toolkit um empathy uh inclusion openness generosity collaboration adaptability being adaptable in the kind of uncertain future um being visionary um being you know these things so I feel optimistic without really having a concrete answer to your question yeah it's hard to predict the future but it's good to know that women have the characteristics that they can adapt and really really thrive in this new frontier if you will to little of where do people reach

out to you I see you do a lot of speaking and you said you have some books that are going to be coming out as well yeah I um easiest place is is linkedin which is obviously just my full name my website is www.tallulalimeral.com which has more information on everything I do across obviously my investor day hat but also this kind of hope and humanity in the age of AI focus and indeed my book um which is just a culmination of my how passionately I feel about the opportunity and potential

here and I'm actually took myself out into the countryside to force myself to finish editing and it's called the case for hope in the age of AI with my wonderful co author Andre Liskoff who's spent most of his career in this space as well and tackles it from um also the technology lens so it's a good pairing excellent well we've just kind of scratched the surface but you've

really given us some food for thought and basically I guess it's a matter for listeners to educate

themselves and just stay aware as we go through these changes because um we don't have a crystal ball we can't predict exactly how all of this is quite a shake out but it's got a lot of potential and possibility so just one last thing I find that if you don't um follow the ways of the world and the way of of technology you're gonna be left behind and even as you know like the aging generation like I'm 56 and I struggle with technology but I have to push myself and force myself

to keep up with AI and the way the world is so yeah exactly I just hope again we need the full spectrum from worry to and fear to hope and not but I just encourage people to really

in either direction which would be bad for you know different reasons but for me that's the biggest

“risk is we just lose ourselves to fear mongering and then we create the doom's day scenarios that”

we're so worried about so I think a balance is needed to Lula this has been very insightful thank you

so much for being on the show thank you guys so much yeah thank you we hope you've enjoyed this latest

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