Baby Holly Found (Rebroadcast)

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“Tonight here, my exclusive interview with her, and what happened?”

2020 starts right now. This is the story of a young family. Their identities lost and then suddenly found again. A mystery that would defy belief and it all started with this sudden arrival of a baby. I heard a knock at the back door.

There were two ladies. They looked like they just walked right out of the Bible.

I had never seen anybody like that in my whole life.

They said, "We need somebody to take care of a baby." You know, she was a gift from God. It's like a mystery and a mystery and a mystery. This is just one of several stunning turns in the story. There would be another in the woods of Houston.

So it was days before they actually discovered the two bodies. And they were right here in the woods. Both bodies were bound. It was young and beautiful. They likely knew the people who told them.

The hunt for answers to what really happened in those woods would actually lead investigators across the country and to a second mystery. Now, I'm getting chills to just talking about. What happened to this baby? My brain just was on fire.

“How can it be missing for 40 years and nobody know where she is?”

It sounds like a seafood move here, something right? All pieces started to come together. The woman behind the headline, Baby Holly, who made national news, sharing her journey for the first time from lost to found. Holly is great to finally meet you.

Thank you, David. David, you're reporting. Baby Holly found. The exclusive 2020 event starts right now. This is the story of a young family, their identities lost and then suddenly found again.

A mystery that would spend decades, it would criss-cross states, defy belief, and it all started with this sudden arrival of a baby. I heard a knock at the back door, there were two ladies in white. They looked like they just walked right out of the Bible.

“I had never seen anybody like that in my whole life, never.”

One of them was holding a baby, probably about eight or nine months. They said we need somebody to take care of a baby. It was a shock for sure. But this startling delivery of a baby at the steps of the church is just one of several stunning turns in the story.

There would be another major turn, thousands of miles away in the woods of Houston. January 6th, it was a sunshiney day, but it was cool. It was very common for our three shepherds to run off through the woods, do their hunting, they're barking, they're frolic and whatever they were doing. Being my friend came back to the house.

As we start walking this way, our cheper comes around the corner and she's got something in her mouth. Well, she got closer, she dropped that something right in front of us and it was a human

on from just above the elbow down to the fingertips, never imagined that in a million years.

I called my parents and told them what had happened, eventually the police showed up. So the call comes in January 6th, 1981. Yes, the police came out and then the search began in the area and back then there wasn't anything here. Houston, the 660 square miles, back in the 80s, it was a very, very year as developed

as it is in. You got all hands on deck, trying to find where this arm came from, there's nothing out there.

You don't imagine anything like that ever happening.

“So it was days before they actually discovered the two bodies and they were right here”

in the woods. They were about 100 feet from the roadway and about 50 feet from this access road, right pretty much through this path. It did the distance into the woods tell you about what might have happened. Well, the lengths at which they would have had to come back here, seeing a little odd,

highly vegetated, it's not easily walked. We don't know if they were killed elsewhere and brought to this location or if they were killed at this location. But the mere fact that they're deep into the woods here means there was an effort to get them back there.

Absolutely. Investigators start by thinking they're searching for one body and now suddenly they have the near skeletal remains of two people about 10 to 12 feet apart. What else did they find with these bodies? Both bodies were bound and appeared that there were not very many clothes in the area.

There was a pair of green shorts found. It was a young man and a young woman and there was just really very little indication of what it happened. The medical examiner was able to determine that the female victim had likely died from a fixation and that the male victim had likely died from blunt force trauma to the head.

When investigators learned from the ME just how brutal their deaths were, what did that

“say to you about the people who might have done this?”

It tells me that they likely knew the people who killed them because they were bound strangled and blunt force trauma. Those are all really up close and personal ways at what she would kill somebody. The medical examiner in the case is able to determine that the female victim is likely between 15 and 18 years old the male victim between 17 and 24.

Paris County investigators are really scratching their heads. They're able to put together sketches of the Paris Reconstructed Faces and put those sketches out to the media but no one came forward. In the 1980 and 1981, the resources for identifying people were more limited than they are today.

They casted their fingers to try to get fingerprints. You could compare dental records. They did that. They were not able to find any dental records. This medical examiner's investigator talked about the teeth of these victims being immaculate

condition. You would expect maybe that these are people that people would look for. They're relative. They're loved ones. They're friends.

So don't match on the fingerprints. The dental turns up nothing either. There were no IDs on them, no paperwork, no wallets, nothing else attached to these bodies. Absolutely nothing else that could identify these people. You don't know who the victim is.

You can't really complete any investigative steps.

They were just basically labeled a John Doe and a Jane Doe.

The case just goes on a shelf. They were buried right here in this county cemetery. No headstones, no family paying its respects. Instead Jane Doe and John Doe marked with a simple, non-descript concrete marker here in this strip of land.

They are among the hundreds of anonymous souls that have been buried here through the decades. So many families across this country, wondering what happened to their loved ones. But in this case, it was about to take a turn. 40 years of emotions, 40 years of looking, this case would take years to unravel. There was a story there, we just didn't know what it was.

And they decided that they are going to figure out who these people are was extraordinary hope because DNA technology was new.

“Right, picked up the phone and it said, "I think I just solved this case."”

With make national news, this is truly remarkable. A 42-year-old cold case, so many questions, the limb and class family have been searching for answers. Their loved ones were found beat-in and strangled to death.

The shock of it is all finally starting to set in and the hunt for answers to what really

happened in those woods would actually lead investigators across the country and to a second mystery. I'm getting chills, just talking about what happened to the baby. It's haunting to stand here in a field full of unidentified remains and they were just two of them.

Exactly, when you look around just the vastness of the cemetery, this is one of many.

experts call the nation's silent mass disaster remains left unidentified for decades.

This is a problem all over the country. In the United States, there are over 14,000 unidentified bodies. They are not just case numbers, they have names and it's important to possibly restore the names to these people. Back in 1981, when they couldn't identify these victims, the case remained open, but it was

a cold case.

“I think it's really important to think about when this murder took place.”

Free internet, free cell phone, few at a missing person's case. You're going and putting signs on telephone poles, on bulletin boards, and you don't know what's happening the next county over. Fast forward, 30 years.

2011, the Harris County Institute of Forensic Sciences gets a grant.

We've got an grant from the federal government to test some of the remains of their most promising cold cases. This case was definitely top of the list because it was two individuals and it was two young individuals. So someone had to be looking for them.

They actually had to dig up these Jane and John Doe's. We took the individuals back to the medical examiner's office, the DNA was extracted and analyzed and put into the system. There was extraordinary hope because DNA technology was relatively new, and yet when you take that DNA and you check it against the criminal database, nothing.

Nothing. No familial matches at all. So 30 years later, another roadblock. Yes.

“Remember at the time, they only had criminal databases to search.”

They didn't have all of these family genealogy databases. So they turned to the National Center for missing and exploited children for that Jane Doe. Harris County Sheriff's Office had a Jane Doe case of a person who's under the age of 21. They had a drawing that they were already circulating. So we utilized that image on our missing child poster and distributed that.

We did have some leads, but obviously nothing that sparked enough to lead to an identification. If there would be new hope along the way, because over time advances in DNA technology give rise to what's called forensic genetic genealogy, offering new tools to once again try to identify Jane and John Doe. Police say one of the most elusive serial killers in American history has been captured.

Until the Golden State killer case blew the doors open on genealogy, that was something that very few people were even looking at. The Golden State killer was completely separate case, but it was the first major case to actually show the power of genetic genealogy. We begin with that bombshell arrest, the major clue that unlocked this just days ago.

They say cutting edge DNA testing allowed them to make a match. We're able to do so much more with investigative genealogy, where you can use the DNA that

“you have to further your case and find out, are there people related to this case?”

My name is Mr. Gillis, and I'm a senior forensic genealogist. I love solving mysteries.

Ever since I was younger, I always read Sherlock Holmes.

I read Nancy Drew. I follow true crime all the time. One of the things that's been really interesting is amateur crime sleuths have played such a big role in bringing these cases to light and solving them. Mr. Gillis, who's brought closure to 17 families and identified one serial right best.

In 2020, Mr. Gillis is working on cold cases with another genetic genealogist named Allison Peacock. I got started in this line of work trying to solve some of my own mysteries in my own family, so solving those mysteries is what gave me the tools to be able to help law enforcement. I had started working through a website called The Donutwork, which is kind of a clearing

house for unidentified remains in North America. I came across this rendering of a male in Texas that was founded in 1981. There was something about it that just ignited something in me. She said there was a male and female found together. This Romeo and Juliet is what she called him.

There was a story there. We just didn't know what it was. They decided they're going to try to figure out who these two young people are, this man and this woman, a mystery that no one had been able to solve for 40 years. Harris County, too.

It's great. It agrees to play ball and it's off to the races. Once I started building out the family tree matches, I had DNA matches to the mother side at the father side. So I knew that my unidentified remains was from this family and once I saw that there was

one male, that was my I have moment of I had figured it out after about 10 days.

And she said, "Who is it?" And I said, "Herald being close." We ended up making a call in late October 2021, toolman named Debbie Klaus Brooks of New Similar Beach, Florida. She asked me, "Are you Debbie Klaus?"

And I said, "Yes, I am."

“I will remember that phone call for the rest of my life.”

We had said on the phone, "Is there anyone missing in your family?" And right away, she said, "Yes, my brother didn't." She said, "Well, I just want you to know that we found him with a female close by him."

And my first thought was, "Is it Tina?"

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“I will remember that phone call for the rest of my life.”

I'm getting chills too, just talking about that said, would you happen to have anybody in your family that might have been missing for a really long time? I said I had my brother, if it disappeared, not 40 years ago. She says I just want you to know that we found him. He had been murdered.

We had to say he was found with the female. Can you tell us about his wife and she said what was Tina?

And just those first moments on the phone, Jane and John Doe suddenly have their names.

After 40 years of being unidentified, 21-year-old Harold Dean Klaus, 17-year-old Tina in Klaus, and they were a beautifully young couple from Florida. She said I've been praying and praying about this for years that my mom would find out what happened to our brother before she died. You have two types of feelings.

There's a feeling that comes, and you can say, we found him, he's gone, and there's another part you're hoping he's not gone. When I was on the phone with Debbie, she just went silent, and then a couple of seconds later

“she was like, what about Holly, what about the baby?”

And I was like, baby, what baby? My brain just was on fire because I was like, how can a child be missing for 40 years and nobody know where she is? They were just a young family, they had this little girl, they were establishing their own life together really when unfortunately that was taken away from them.

To truly understand the story of these families, these two young lives that ended so soon, the real story begins in a small town just south of Daytona Beach, Florida. I love growing up here, at that time, especially it was really a small quiet town. Just down the road from Daytona, Daytona was the place to go for any kind of action. You know, motorcycle week, there's race week, there's spring break.

in bed at night, you could hear the waves rolling in.

“This kids are always running out of stairs and jumping in closets and how kids are, scaring”

each other.

My kids are number one in my life and always have been.

Donna Casa Santa is a waitress at a local restaurant. She raised her six children, four daughters, two sons, and all of this after her husband passes away. They were the glue that helped me together, made me whole. Her second oldest son, Dean, is actually known by the family as junior.

Oh, he's very rambunctious, very breaking the rules, he's real good at them. He'd like to joke around with his biggest lab, do silly things. Dean's family described him as kind, kind to a fault. He would often pick up hitchhikers, much to his family's disapproval. While how else to put it except to say he had empathy, if you will, for others.

“The family says, at the time, it was also not uncommon in New Summer to Beach to actually”

see these groups of young people traveling on foot, often wearing white robes. They would talk about their religious views, and as a teenager, Dean actually traveled

with these groups on more than one occasion, but he always returned home.

I've seen this young man coming toward me, and I said, "Oh my gosh, that's Dean." So, I ran it up to him, like, "Why are you ban? You know, Mom's gonna be so mad at you. You're really, let me a trouble!" You know?

I said, "Cherner, you can't keep doing this. You will wind up and trouble somehow, the way," you know, and "Oh, Mom, nah." I can handle it, you know? It's a way it was. Now back home again, Dean finds a reason to actually stay.

Her name was Tina Galland, and she was a friend of one of his younger sisters. She was so sweet, and so happy. And then the more she was with the family, the more I just fell in love with her. For her, Dean was it, nice looking guy, he treated her right. Everything she needed, everything she was looking for, he was a guy to give it to her.

She told me she was in love with him, crazy and love with him, and she just looked so happy. And the next thing I know, they were married. It wasn't long before Dean and Tina announced that they were expecting a baby, and then on January 24th, 1980, Holly Marie Class was born. I was just sweet, a chubby, healthy, healthy little thing.

They voted over her. They were so devoted, I mean, absolutely devoted, and I loved the way he took care of his little girl. It was the spring of 1980, and baby Holly is just a few months old, and this young couple with their new baby decide to move out of state.

They hit the road, and first they drive to Baltimore, Maryland.

Before then going to Texas, where they first stay with some of Dean's family, in Louis Phil, which is a suburb of Dallas. Tina was very good about writing letters or a phone call, at least once a month, "Hey, how are you doing?" And she'd also send pictures of Holly.

Early October, we got a letter from Tina. It said we got a place of our own, and she was excited and happy about it, and she gave me that address, and I wrote back to her, I know, within the same week, within days, and my letter came back, Mark moved, left no forward, you know, dressed, and I thought, what's going on?

“So I think where he started once a month, 45 days go through, and there's no letter, there's”

no birthday pictures of Holly, and there's something not right about this, you know, that's not like them. And then all of a sudden, Donna gets an interesting phone call. The man's voice was rough, kind of raspy. This man, on the phone now, with Dean's mother, tells her that he has something that belongs

to her son, and he wants to return it. I warned her that, I don't think this is legit, Mom, he may be very careful. The men said maybe that they told her 500 speed away, 12 o'clock, midnight, and I'm thinking, 12 o'clock midnight, then I'll have so much.

about them and their baby has stopped, so Dean's mother, Donna, calls family and Texas,

and all they know is that the young couple and their baby are gone. What's going on?

“She was happy, they just got their own place, this can't be, why would they have left?”

I was just very suspicious. After some time passes, you're like, how do three people disappear? A couple months after, Donna was stopped hearing from Dean, she gets this weird phone call. The man's voice was rough, kind of raspy, and he told me that their car had been found in LA.

It's the same car that just the spring prior had pulled out of Donna's driveway with Dean, Tina, and Little Baby Holly.

And now this man presenting himself as a detective, Klaus and Klaus at the car was found

empty in a band in Danelle, didn't make sense. I have to thank again. Nothing wrong with it, and it was parked in this nice neighborhood. When she said, "Have you found my son?" You don't think about my son.

He told her, "Well, ma'am, between California and Texas, there's a lot of desert." I know detective would tell a mother, a grieving mother, that, and I knew right away, this was not a detective. This man on the phone tells Donna that he knows people who will drive the car from LA to Florida.

All they want is $1,000 for the troubles. And Donna remembers that she reluctantly agreed to this, but she didn't feel good about it. She agrees to meet this person at the Daytona Speedway.

“It sounds like it's seen from Lovier something, right?”

And I'm thinking, "Twilk, I've been a dental son," right, you know. Donna is a waitress at that time, you know, I threshold it frequented by law enforcement. So she talks to some of these guys. And they said, "Yes, Donna, do it, we'll be there. You don't have to worry, we will be there."

The woman pulled Junior's car up, got out, I would guess her age, late 20s, early 30s. And then she had two girls, and they also stepped out, and had robes on. Yes. I said, "I've been searching for my son. Let me just call him up, talk to him on the phone, I'll know he's a wait."

And then this older woman who would buy sister Susan just said that Dean and Tina had renounced their worldly possessions under past lives, joined this religious group, and they weren't going to be here and from them anymore. And she said, "He's no longer part of your family. He's our family now."

“And that, I think that broke mother, I'm sure, I mean, it would me as a mother.”

The police stepped in then, and he told me, "Go ahead, take your car and go home." That checked with the police a few days later, and they said, "Nothing, I could do it because I didn't, hadn't broken any rules except they brought your car back to you." Donna told me that she was concerned, but Dean had joined these groups before, so she had no reason to believe that he wouldn't return home at some point.

Coming out of the hippie movement in the mid 70s, there was a whole entire movement of people coming involved with these religious-based organizations. The baby boomers were hitting their early 20s. They were looking for answers, they were trying to figure out their direction in life. All these groups had very similar names, as well.

They all wore white robes, they were all traveling around the United States. The authorities say that the woman at the speedway didn't reveal this at the time, but investigators would later discover that Dean and Tina had traveled with members of a group called Christ family. The Christ family seems to have grown slowly beginning probably around 1969 or 1970.

And he was around a person who came to be known as Jesus Christ, Lightning, a man.

His first thing was Charles McCue.

The three main doctrines of the Christ family were no killing, no sex, and no materialism. Followers of the Christ family often surrendered all of their possessions. They used the phrase "in the wind" to describe their travels around the country. This nomadic lifestyle wasn't easy with children, let alone babies, and people who studied this particular group said children were reportedly handed over to relatives or others

to take care of them while their parents traveled.

but I still figured that we'll get a call or they'll show up some time, because I couldn't

believe Tina would really totally give up family. Because there are adults, you can't list them as missing because they have freely chosen to just disappear. So the only resource for them family at that point in 1980 was to contact the Salvation Army. When most people think about the Salvation Army, they think about people ringing bells with red

buckets, asking for donations around Christmastime. But actually, the Salvation Army did assist families and looking for missing loved ones,

especially when law enforcement was unable to get involved.

They were going to search the driving records, and then they said, "Well, we're going to search their social security numbers." They had me write an open letter to Tina, but none of the efforts ever went anywhere. Holly's birthday, I would think about her, and think, you know, they have a cake in what kind of toys is she liking now. I thought about them a lot.

“Honestly, after the years go by, you hit here five, you hit your 10, you hit your 20,”

the year 40 comes by, life's still going on, and then you get news like we did, very frustrating, very painful. The thought of not knowing was over with, but that only brought another section of it is where it was Holly. What happened? We don't have the full story. Early November of 2021, we have IDs on the unidentified human remains, but no one knows what happened to the infant. We know what mom looked like, we know what dad looked like, so we created what's

referred to as an age progression. And just start putting the piece of the puzzle together to figure out, where is this baby? Was she given up? Was she left somewhere? Was she got for been murdered herself? There were no remains, no evidence that baby Holly was ever in those woods in Houston, so this really begged the question, what happened to baby Holly? Is one of those moments that I

“will never forget? This is a really incredible turn. When I looked at the records, I was just like”

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That headline grabbed me. After 40 years, murdered couple finally identified. Where is their

“missing baby? And I thought, wow, what a complete mystery, what a puzzle?”

I knew I had to do a podcast on this. It felt a little bit like, you know, those Russian nesting dolls. How often do you sort of get a story that is? It's like a mystery, in a mystery, in a mystery, in a mystery, in a mystery. When you're hearing the story and asking, you know, what happened to one year old holiday, did you find a baby with them? Two tragedies solved. One mystery remains.

At the time when I did the story, I'm reported with KHO11 news. You're in this moment of figuring out two mystery simultaneously. And then all of a sudden, you have this other mystery unearthed out of nowhere. Dina Tina's families decide that they want to actually travel to the very spot where the bodies were found. And to my surprise, they asked me to come along.

We plan the trip down the Texas to try to celebrate finding them, and the not knowing

We had to quit pad. It was a tough trip. Just going to visit that site. It was

really emotional. In my mom's health, it's not that she can't walk very well. And there's all these obstacles, you know. But she really wanted to go. And so we made it way to get to that spot. He was physically holding her up, right? And spiritually, he was holding her up as well. It was very remote. There was some sun shining through the trees.

It was very quiet, it was very peaceful. But yeah, it was hard. It was very hard for all of us. We went to the popper field. They're all unmarked. We had a prayer and just kind of shared with each

“other some precious moments that we remember. We've never got the last chance to see him, we're”

singing by. It's the same, right? The family immediately knew they had to come be here to pay their respects. Yeah, they all traveled together to come do that. And suddenly, in a field of people who are unidentified, you had one family standing here saying goodbye, finally, to their loved ones. All of the years, they were just hoping that they were living somewhere, having a happy life,

and now all of a sudden they're being told that that is not what happened. And in addition to that,

they don't know where Holly is. So this is a really incredible turn to this story. And four hours

north of Houston, in Louisville, Texas, a detective there, opens a missing person's case for this

“little baby. Remember, Louisville, Texas is the last known address for this young couple and their”

baby before they suddenly disappeared in late 1980. My name is Craig Holliman. I am a detective with the Louisville Police Department. I knew that Dean and Tina had been there, kind of October, Ish, timeframe. When I interviewed his family that lived close to Louisville, they did say that they stayed with them and after about a month with them, they found their own apartment. And then, as quickly as they came in, they disappeared.

One of the first things detective Holliman tries to do is track down Holly's birth certificate.

Easy, not so much. I figured well, maybe I can call it to this state of Florida. They get somebody to help me out. I eventually talked to somebody on the phone, no help. And right around the time that this detective hits this major roadblock, it's actually a new cold case unit, getting off the ground at the Texas Attorney General's office. And need was really identified to say that there aren't enough resources being dedicated to cold cases around the state of Texas.

When we first received the case, we realized it had two parts, a missing infant, baby Holly. And then we knew there was also a double homicide. We needed to find baby Holly. That probably held a lot of answers about what happened to her parents. We thought that either Holly had been kidnapped and God forbid had grown up in very bad circumstances, or had been murdered along with her parents. When you work these cases, usually they don't have a very happy ending.

Investigators are trying to unravel this knot of yarn. They try to get baby Holly's original birth certificate for what seems like it should be a really simple ask. Hey, can we get this birth certificate? And they just run into a brick wall. And that was hard for us to understand a law enforcement. What do you mean? You couldn't get the birth records. We reached out to the Florida AG's office, and they eventually linked us up with a

detective with the Voluca County Sheriff's Department Steve Wheeler. It all started with an email.

“March 18th, I remember that day. My sergeant said, hey Steve, see if you can help Texas out with this case”

that were. I grabbed that up a subpoena, but Florida Department of Health advised that my subpoena would not be sufficient to provide me these documents. And I asked why they just said they were sealed. Instantly, I had a feeling she's alive. Baby Holly's alive. There are only a few reasons why you'd want to seal a birth record. And one of those reasons is an adoption. I drafted up a corridor and told the judge, these documents on seal could find Holly. She could

And after all this time, a judge finally delivers what detectives have been waiting for. Hey, my name is Susan. Detective Steve Wheeler. When you get a chance, come back. The

“detective Wheeler left me a message saying, you need to call me. When I got the email and”

looked at the records, I was just like, holy crap. I'm thinking maybe we had a big breakthrough. We had names, and that was huge. We did not know if these adopted parents were innocent, caring, loving parents, or had details about a heinous homicide. At that point, it was all hands-on deck. Once we uncovered that sealed birth certificate in Florida,

it blew wide open. It's one of those moments that I will never forget. I knew this was about

to change someone's life forever. All pieces started to come together. Baby Holly has been located alive in 12, 42 years later. Holly is great to finally meet you. Thank you, David. It's really nice to meet you. How often do you sort of get a story that is, it's like an mystery, an mystery, an mystery, an mystery, and the case all begins. It is gruesome discovery in it was. So it was days before they actually

discovered the two bodies, and they were right here in the woods. Both bodies were found. It was a young man and a young woman, badly decomposed. Someone had to be looking for them. Yeah, they had to get it back here. The hunt for answers to what really happened in those woods would actually lead investigators across the country

“and to a second mystery. We had said on the phone, is there anyone missing in your family?”

The immediate next question was, "What about the baby?" And I was like, "Baby? What baby?" My brain just was on fire. How can a child be missing for 40 years and nobody know where she is? It sounds like a scene from a movie or something, right? I was just like, holy crap. This was about to change someone's life forever. The woman behind the headline,

Baby Holly, who made national news, sharing her journey for the first time,

from lost to found. Holly is great to finally meet you. Thank you, David. David Neur reporting, Baby Holly, found the exclusive 2020 event continues right now. Dean and Tina Clause were found strangled and beaten to death in 1981 in a wooded area near you. Stories were unable to identify the couple after they were found, but last year genetic genealogy was used to identify them.

When these genealogists reached out to this family and they make this connection, suddenly a question. What about the baby? What about Holly? It is the central question of this case,

“is Baby Holly still alive and investigators have finally unlocked the key to figuring out”

what happened to her. The adoption records from 1981. She was adopted in Arizona. We had names of adoptive parents. We had locations. Things that we could investigate. Investigators discovered that Baby Holly was adopted by a couple in Yuma, Arizona. Their names are Philip and Constance McGoldrig. And the question is who are they? I was just like, holy crap, these are the adoptive parents. We don't know what their involvement is. There is a letter written

by Philip that Tina signs giving up Holly to him. There was also another letter that is presumed to have been written by Dean, also giving up custody of Holly. We went right away trying to find the adoptive parents where they're living now. We started using public records database checks, social media checks. We were fairly certain we had found Philip's Facebook profile. And we discovered that Philip McGoldrig, the adoptive father of Holly

lived in Oklahoma. However, Holly's adoptive mother still lived in Arizona. I do the search for all hauling memories with that same exact date of birth. And I looked at the driver's license photos of all of them. And just based on how she looked compared to Tina, I picked out which Holly Marie it was. Investigators are almost certain that the woman they find online is Baby Holly, a waitress living in a small town in Oklahoma. She's 42 years old and she's a mother.

Finding Facebook profile for Baby Holly was a very unreal feeling. I think it just brought us

a lot more hope that there's more to be done in this case. But you just never know about people

if these adopted parents were innocent, caring, loving parents, or if they had details about

“a heinous homicide. We had questions that led us to Arizona and questions that led us to Oklahoma.”

So we developed a plan. A team would go to Arizona to talk with the adoptive mom of Holly and then a team would also go and talk with Philip or adoptive father. And then detective Halleman and I would go and speak with Holly. June 7th, 2022 in this multi-state operation is launched. That was very, very tense time. Our investigators at Winter Contact Philip didn't find him. And so we were concerned that our timing was off. I'm, you know, Mindy and Detective Halleman are

visiting Holly at her place of work. I was nervous and anxious and excited. All of those things all the same time. And I'm one that I'd rather just than we need to get this ball rolling. We pulled up and parked on the side of the building opposite of the drive through. We were sitting there outside that diner thinking we were about to change this woman's life forever. That was a daunting task. We're standing out in front of the building. I had my gun

in badge on so it was pretty evident that I couldn't stand out there for very long without people inside starting to talk about what's going on. We did it oddly through the drive through window because the building was still closed. They had an open yet. We asked to speak with Holly and we heard a voice say yes. The detective Halleman immediately said, "Holy can we talk to you? I want to tell you a little story." Thanks for doing this. This is your chair here.

Are we good for all rolling? We're all rolling out good.

Holly is great to finally meet you. Thank you, David. It's really nice to meet you.

“June 7th, 2022. You're at work. You remember how busy the restaurant was that day?”

Extremely because we were a sort-handed, I think, mainly, but we did have a huge order. We were trying to work through. And you remember hearing someone approach the drive through window. There are two people standing there. With guns and badges. And what were you thinking? What in the world am I about to get myself into what I was thinking? Why would they be wanting that talk to me? That moment was intense. I'm a fast talker, so it's like a fire hydrant of information.

He asked me. He said, "Do you know anything about your birth parents?" And I told them that I thought they joined a call and I believed, you know, they must have died. What did they say to you? They said, "Yes, they are dead, but they were murdered." That's a lot. Yeah. I know that they handed you a photo. This is the photo they gave to you. This was a face-to-a-name means the world. Change my whole world. This little picture right here.

Really, did it? How so? You can see how happy and loving they are.

When I handed that to her, she just broke down. She'd never actually seen a picture of her mother.

And then when she saw her mom, it was quite overwhelming for her. Do you see yourself in their faces? I do. I see my children in them. I see me. After we talked to Holly, she was able to get Philip on the phone.

Philip, of course, is the pastor who adopted her. He told us about the moment they came to the door. You got that call from Holly and June 7th. Hmm, when he 22. Yes. And she told you, "Detectives wanted to talk with you." What did you think? I looked on my ring camera

and I saw these two gentleman standing outside my door.

I thought, "Well, finally we'll get some answers."

So I was anxious to show them the the birth certificate. I didn't realize it until about halfway through the interview that I was a suspect.

“We knew Holly was alive, but how did this come to be?”

The story that Philip was about to tell investigators deepens this mystery even more. Why did these women in white bring this baby to the church that day?

It's a sunnyest city in the world.

“My name is Yvonne Peach and I'm the general manager and owner of the historic”

Coronado Motor Hotel and you may Arizona. In the 1980s, I'd run the hotel from in the morning until evening. And I just watched a traffic go by. That was kind of like my job. In this one day, when I seen this group of people walking down the street, to me, it was like they were walking right out of the Bible.

And on that particular day, those figures in white were actually headed toward a seventh day Adventist church right there in Yuma. We're Philip McGoldrick, worked as pastor. I was getting ready for an evening service and I heard a knock at the back door. And as I looked around the hallway, I could see through the glass window

there were two ladies in white.

That white robes all the way down, there were barefoot, that white head coverings.

And when you went to the door, I asked them, "Can I help you?" Instead of asking for food on money, they said, "Well, we need somebody to take care of a baby."

“And I'm thinking, "Oh, they need a babysitter."”

And then they explained, "No, we need someone that would take this baby and raise this baby." What was their demeanor? They were potten sweaty and they looked like they were in need. I'm still thinking, "Who could I give this baby to?" And then it suddenly struck me, it's me,

because my wife and I had one daughter and we'd been praying for another child. And when I went to the cart, I saw this baby girl blonde, blue, I just like one of my family. The older lady said, "This is the mother of a child and she joined our group to dedicate her life to God in that way."

It's the woman, who they say is Holly's mother standing right there.

She distraught. Is there any emotion as she's looking at you? It's a very little emotion at that time. I'm sure there was emotion going on inside. But whether it was brainwashing or drugs or something going on,

she seemed to be containing it.

“Were you puzzled at all as to why she would want to give up a perfectly healthy, beautiful little girl?”

Yes, obviously, it was a very strange thing to happen. And my wife at the time, Connie, kept asking, "Are you sure you want to do this? Yes, I'm sure I want to do this." And you were convinced that if you didn't say yes, they would find somebody else. If this baby was going to be dropped off, some of yourselves.

Yeah. So you decide to adopt, maybe Holly. What were the next steps to make this official? On Monday morning, I just looked up a lawyer in the phone book. This says, "We'll put advertisements in the newspaper."

So they put things out, saying there's a baby that's been abandoned. And after six months, you said, "If they don't come back, then you can go through the adoption process and they didn't." If there was any idea that Philip might have been a suspect, those were put to bed.

He was able to produce things that he had kept over the years that were helpful to our investigators. So as all of this is unfolding, investigators also visit Holly's adoptive mother, who still lives in Arizona. And she confirms Philip's story.

Investigators also clear her as any potential suspect in the murders of Dean and Tina. They just truly were the people who adopted Holly and gave her our great childhoods. So here you have this beautiful little girl. What was she like? She was very sweet.

And it fit in very well. If you look at pictures, you see them. Sally, that's my older daughter. And Holly, just hugging on each other. They look like they were made for each other.

To me, adoption doesn't make any difference. You know, she was a gift from God. As the years passed, and Holly begins to grow up, her family changes to the mother and father who adopted her Philip and his wife. They divorce.

He takes full custody of Holly, and they actually leave Uma, Arizona, and eventually settle outside Tulsa, Oklahoma. Your father told you from an early age where your parents went. How did he explain that? Well, he told me that they joined the religious nomadic group

in order to join this group. They had to give up their worldly possessions, their children. When you think back now about that little baby who was being handed over, what goes through your mind?

Holly spent so much time as a child, wondering about her parents,

where were they?

“She'd been told that they had left with a religious group.”

And so, here she is, this young girl, and in 1993, suddenly, and all of the TV screens, the events unfolding at that compound in Waco, Texas. We were in class, and they wield the TV in so that we could watch live news of Waco. The Branch Division Complex in Waco, Texas, goes up in flames. In less than an hour, there is total devastation.

Only eight people are known to have survived. David Koresh is not among them. It was really heartbreaking for me to watch. Why? I see a call being on TV and knowing that my parents joined a call to just,

"Oh, they've got to be there, right? I grieve for those who are there." And even mourned by parents.

Even though her parents were never in Waco or part of the Branch Dividians,

and as she grew older, her questions grew about her parents. I started getting really curious about my biological family. So, you know, I gave the copy of the best certificates. She had the names on there. And at the top, it said, "New Simone Beach."

And I said, "Holly, let's just go to the Florida." So, you had your birth certificate. You go back to Florida and you were trying to get the records and sealed. I wanted my birth records. I wanted to know, you know, if there was any note in there from my parents,

if there was an address, something.

“And when you went there and asked for that, what did they tell you?”

That I was not old enough. I needed to come back when I was 18 to be able to get those records. They wouldn't give it to me or my dad. I was heartbroken. I was devastated. That's when I finally accepted the fact that I'm just not supposed to know.

And it was at that point when they tell her she's not old enough to get these records. That she essentially stops thinking about meeting her biological family until that fateful day, 30 years later. I get a phone call from my sister Terry. She goes, "Are you sitting down?"

And I'm like, "Yeah, I'm sitting in my car, why?" Baby Holly has been located alive in well, 42 years later. She goes, "They found Holly."

And you're about to see the incredible moment when Holly finally meets her biological family.

I've got my heart goes, "Doh!" In 1981, two deceased individuals were discovered in the wooded area in Houston. In early June, I got this tip. But hey, things may be happening here.

“The text is literally general's office, so it's going to have a press conference.”

We learned this couple had an infant daughter named Holly. And so the search for Baby Holly began. I'm excited to announce that Baby Holly has been located alive in well, 42 years later. And the story just exploded. I mean, it was like riding your rocket.

It went viral. Everyone in their brother wanted it on this story. All the national networks were covering it. 40-year mystery solved. Baby Holly found alive.

It is a story in gripping the nation. The missing baby of a couple found murdered in a wooded area in their Houston in 1981 has been found alive. Holly Marie is alive. I couldn't believe it.

Everyone wanted to know where Holly Marie had been for 40 years. What she had been doing for 40 years. Holly says her life in Oklahoma has been a happy one. Grounded in faith and in family. She married her husband Troy when she was 18.

You get married and how many children do you have? Five, my pride and joy. I can see it in the smile. What makes this life worth it in for? Family is treasured.

When you think back to June 7th, the day they showed up and gave you so many answers all at once. I mean, here you are sitting across from them. A mother, grandmother, a wife. Trying to do your job that day.

And suddenly everything changed. The headlines, the media attention. People all over the country knew you. What was that like? It was really overwhelming.

I went from nobody care in a world about me. So all of a sudden, everybody wanted to know my story, wanting to talk to me crazy. So many people wanted to talk to Holly. But no one more than her biological family who'd been waiting for years back in Florida.

I get a phone call from my sister Terry. She goes, "Are you sitting down?" And I'm like, "Yeah, I'm sitting in my car." Why? She goes, "They found Holly." Oh my god! Oh my god! Oh my god!

You know, she just couldn't believe it. So I went straight to Mom's house. And I remember just trembling, just shaking it up. So it was just pure joy. She came to the house and she goes, "Mom, I got some good news."

I said, "No more news. I can't take it." Because I thought it was bad. No Mom was good news. Very, very good news.

“And that's why I told her, "They found Holly."”

Oh, oh, oh, you know, and she just couldn't believe it. I thought my heart was still because I was just overwhelmed with "Thank you, Jesus, you know." The same day that investigators made contact with Holly at the diner, they told her that her family had gathered and they were ready to meet her.

I asked her if she would like to set up a Zoom call with her family, and she responded, "What is a Zoom call?" I was in shock. I couldn't believe it. Are you serious? These people gathered already for me to talk to me? And when that Zoom turned on and the faces start popping up,

could you see yourself in the faces of your family? You know, I could see resemblances from my kids. In that moment, suddenly, your family grew.

It did, and just a moment. It was a little nerve-wracking at first,

but the moment she started talking, I felt like this is where she belonged. We got to talk to her a little bit and just introduce ourselves to who we are. It was wonderful. But I knew they'd been searching for me for a long time. So I loved them for that.

And I could hear in their voices the hurt and pain that they had to suffer from not knowing all those years of what happened to all of us. I knew right then that they truly did love me.

“Did you somehow feel whole after all this time of waiting?”

Complete. I would say. Complete. And then decades after she disappeared, Holly and her biological family are finally reunited face-to-face. Oh my goodness. I know you've done your picture. Tell me about the first moments when you saw your biological family, the hugs.

That day, I'll never forget.

I love you. Thank you. Thank you for all your praise. To hold them to love on them. Great is filling in the world. It's a great honor to be here. Yes, thank you.

You look just like you. I can't believe it. You've got all these people wanting to hug you and to tell you they love you and to know about you. This is bitter tree, you know. And Grandma Donna?

She is something else. She's a great career warrior that I'm proud to call Grandma for sure. You know at this reunion, they actually show Holly the baby book that her mother Tina had lovingly prepared the notes she had written. The last photo was dated October 1980. And that was just a month before Holly, I was dropped off at the door of that church in Uma.

Here she wrote down where I sat, alone where I crawled. Tell me what did she write?

She wrote Holly stood in her bed holding on to the rail for the first time,

September 5th of 1980, seven months old. She was very meticulous and putting together her baby book for me and writing on the back of every little photo. That showed me how much she really, she really did care and love for me.

“How then do you explain to yourself how they were able to give you a way?”

I can't knowing and seeing the love they shared for me. I just can't bat them that they would want to do that. As we see here today, 40 years later, you still have so many questions.

Who are these women in white? Is there some link between these groups and the disappearance and

murder of my parents? And those unanswered questions actually inspire Holly to write a book about her

“journey called Finding Baby Holly. Are they the villains in my story or heroes?”

People have very different takes about that. They were insinuating that we were involved in the murder. Did they see something they shouldn't have seen? You have a hunch that your parents were trying to leave. You do. And I believe that they knew too much. In a sunny California in summer, one family's home is unusually quiet. When detectives walked into that house, they said that it was like time just stood still.

It's 2010 and the mixed-day family is nowhere to be found. Inside the home, no clear answer where the family could have gone. Has been wife and two children gone, like, puff disappeared. The search for the mixed-days quickly captures the nation. But for years, the search for answers

“only brings more questions. Who's ever heard of an entire family going missing?”

A family of four doesn't just drop off the face of the earth with no contact. Is this a family on the run? Or is the truth far more sinister? Or maybe see audio in 2020? This is what happened to the mixed-days. Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or your favorite podcast app. Or subscribe to 2020 True Crime Plus on Apple Podcasts to listen early and add free.

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fantasy game. Authorities say she was left at a church in Arizona by two women belonging to a religious group.

Since June of 2022 when Baby Holly first made national headlines,

the public scrutiny, the questions, the speculation around this no-matic religious group, Christ's family, has only intensified. We knew from the family that Dean Antina had set off with Christ's family. We're fairly certain they traveled from Louisville to Arizona with this group. We're with the group when they gave Holly up for adoption.

“Now you have to remember that at the time that Dean Antina are affiliated with Christ's family,”

the group was actually being led by a charismatic leader, a man named Charles McQ. He was actually known by his followers as Lightning Amen. And all these years later, a small number of people still live by these teachings in Hemit, California.

Welcome to Amen's House. I'm going to show you the inside of the bus first. I've been here for

30 years. This was our second vehicle when we were all walking in faith on the road. And now we keep this as a guest room. We rebuilt the place and all our gardens. And so we grow the vegetables and the flowers. We got lots of rabbits. There are friends. They know they have a sanctuary here. I had our deep journey to no God. I joined in the fall of 1979. You're just out there,

barefooted, telling people that God wants us to stop killing each other and the animals do. I'm Stephen Kans. I'm a retired sociology of religion to professor. I've studied controversial groups, religious groups, and so on. I interviewed Lightning Amen in 1989. Okay, so there's a lot of difference when God feed you or tell you the word and you become all good and there isn't any wrong in your man. It's an interesting end of the world and I shall conquer.

You know, I joke about it. It's serious business of course, but the odds are just right. In speaking with former members of the group, it became clear that the attraction to this group

chose to walk away from their family? I could see if you're a seeker what is

charisma would be. I could also see how critics would say this is all just nonsense. But it wasn't just the Christ family's practices that concerned outsiders. It was also Lightning Amen's criminal history. He had been a roster of the California for drugs and some other issues involving children. So of course, those investigators, that raises a flag. He has a spiritual interpretation about everything that went wrong against him. Everything was

a plot by Satan to attack him and so on. Lightning Amen was eventually convicted in 1990 on the possession and sale up drugs. And he was charged with three misdemeanor counts of molesting or annoying a child and pled guilty to one of those charges. He died in 2010. People have very different takes about that through, you know,

there are people in the group who said they never saw anything bad ever. And then there are people who

described being brainwashed. I really believe that they tried to leave the call that they were

“leaving when they were murdered. I really believe that. That's what your gut and your heart tells”

you, right? But you don't have to prove for that. I don't. I really feel that they came to a point where maybe, you know, they had second thoughts and, you know, wanted to get away from the cult, I think, and were murdered while doing so. I know, if they joined this cult, they were not told the truth that the children were given away. They must have believed that we've got to get out of this. Leaving is as easy as joining. You just say, brother, sister, I'm just not feeling this.

You either are of it or you're not. Nobody's going to come chasing after you. The people that 2020 visited in Hemit, California, hoped that in some way by speaking out, they might try to offer insight as to why they believe Holly's parents might have left her at that human church. Well, I know it's hard for people, you know, in a regular worldly life, to even imagine giving up your child. It's very rare that a child would be dropped off

like Holly was. Usually, children went to grandparents or to the other spouse. To this day, Holly and her biological family remained convinced that Dean and Tina's murders are somehow connected to their affiliation with Christ family. You think it's possible? This religious group killed them. It don't believe that the group that we have encountered today, as then the people that we've interviewed, have any knowledge or were involved in anything,

but I certainly believe that fringe members of the group could have possibly done this.

“This cold case team has convinced that the key to solving this case is still out there.”

Could missing evidence in the woods finally link the scene to the killer?

We are out searching the area. So, you think those items, the few items that were found here, could hold the clues. They could. And you're about to hear from a woman who was part of Christ family right around the time that Dean and Tina were also part of the group right around the time they disappeared and what she told me. It's Iowa. Is this sister Susan? We know that Dean and Tina had left their families, left their baby to be part of this religious group.

The discovery here in the woods, they weren't wearing white robes. They were not found with the robes. We can't determine though if they had them on and they were carried away by animals. There's a lot of variables there. We just don't know.

“Is it a possibility that they had tried to lead this religious group?”

It absolutely is and that is actually one of the theories that we have. The fact that they're even together tells us that it's possible they had already left the group and because this is on the i10 forgoer maybe they were trying to get back to Florida. Maybe trying to get back to their family. The items that were found here in the woods and there were only a couple of them. Where are they now? We don't know where they are.

system and they never show that those items were ever in their custody.

All these years later, there's an extraordinary mystery still here in the woods. I hope that this being broadcasted will bark some memories for people. So investigators haven't given up? No. And we never will. Here's a very practical monitor. Today we are out searching the area where Tina, Lynn and Dean Klaus were

located murder in 1981. All right. All these years later, they are still working this. Investigators invite us to the scene where they're hoping to find something anything that might crack this case. We need something to give us some leads in this case. We need the evidence. It's picking up for multiple metals. We went out and did a ground search of the areas that we

do. The bodies have been found in. Which instantly were also areas that the dogs indicated it. That the storm is deep. Unfortunately though we did not find anything today. We've got to just make sure you've checked every box. You ever know what you're going to find.

“Every piece of information is so important in a full space. We really have to be patient”

and wait for those pieces to come in. The cold case unit of the Texas Attorney General's Office gave 2020 an unprecedented look inside the case, sharing details, new questions, new clues that they actually hope will move this investigation forward. This is just a really hard case because we don't have a lot to work with. Things were just handled differently in the 80s. We're looking at a short timeline all together

for all of the events. We know that Tina and Dean were in Louisville, the beginning of October. I all of a sudden abandoned their apartment and they're just gone. We know that Holly was given up on November 8th. They've only been gone for a month and Holly's already being given up

and then ultimately they're found at the beginning of January of 1981.

Our question is, is how they got there? How they went from Yuma back to Houston, Texas. Even that location off of Wallaceville Road in 1980, 1981. This is not an easy place to get to. Not only that when you're looking at the photos, you do see that the gate is locked.

“I don't think that they were brought to this area and then killed. I think they were already killed.”

And then somebody drugged them through. If you just want to dump bodies, you're sure making it difficult on yourself. You know, one of the things they're convinced of. This investigators say they believe the killer do the area that area in Houston. So they believed at finding anyone who came in contact

with the couple or knew who they were traveling with will be critical to this case.

All the tips that have come in, we've not had anyone say they remember traveling with Dean and Tina. Correct? Correct. Nothing in your investigation so far has indicated to you that the religious group was involved. I mean, if anything, they were wanting to help figure this out. But that was my impression of them. They wanted to give us other names of people who might have known them, might have traveled with them.

There have been so many questions about that car being handed back to Dean's family at the Daytona Speedway. And we found the woman who brought that car back. Sister Susan. Sister Susan tells 2020 that we can record her voice, but didn't want her face shown because of all of the scrutiny that Christ's family has faced with respect to this case. Hi there. It's David Muir. Is this Sister Susan?

It is. Let me ask you, if you could, take me back to late 1980. You were in your group.

“They said, would anyone take the car back? Did you ask what happened to Dean and Tina?”

Well, it was pretty common knowledge of the car that was being in Tina's. It was already there and they had already hit the wind. They were gone. Yeah. Yeah. Um. Did you ever meet them? No. What were you asked to do with the car? Just to return it to his mom's. And once you arrived in Florida, Sister Susan, what was the scene? What did you encounter? Well, as soon as we pulled up, police cars surrounded us. But the police knew who we were.

They knew we were nonviolent. They knew we were, you know, homeless. Having learned now what you know about baby Holly. In looking back, does any of it seem suspicious to you? No, but during those days. And we're saying, you know, being nonviolent. People tried to kill us all the time. That was a daily

retinicated. What do you think happened to Dean and Tina? Some people demon picked him up and killed them. And you don't believe it had anything to do with Christ family. No, of course not. I mean, we've been portrayed as a sturdy, rotten cold, and that is a true. And so, when looking back, you understand why they gave up their baby. Oh, of course. Her, but he said, it wasn't like we weren't going to ever see him again,

but there was work to do. Thank you for talking with me, Sister Susan. I appreciate you taking the time for us. Amen. I'm praying for you. Thank you. Investigators have spoken to Sister Susan too. And they don't believe she had anything to do with Dean and Tina's homicide. I don't think we ever go into a case knowing, oh, it's solvable. In fact, it's just the opposite.

“You actually pick it up and think, is there anything else we can do on this case?”

And all these years later, there is a new detail investigators are releasing right here tonight. There was a woman who was known to frequent human. We do believe she was one of the people with Tina. Could there be a clue that turns this case what they're about to reveal?

There's always hope on cold cases. Tip still to this day on this case. And we take every

tip seriously. We look at everything, no matter how small of a detail. Investigators are still hoping to find more members of that group, Christ's family. There's a woman by the name of Rosemary Garcia, who's no longer alive. But they believe her daughters are Rosemary and Tina were with that group traveling together. They called her Rosemary in the three days. And so we're hoping maybe we could locate them and see if they have any memories of

Tina, remember Holly, maybe even possibly remember Dean, or anything associated to that time period in Yuma. She has a photograph. This one. Yeah. Even to this day is Holly and the family awaits any new leads in Dean and Tina's case. They are actually working right now to help other families connect with missing loved ones too, using DNA. One time to see. Hi, Holly. Um, a couple of big

“developments this week. Your family feels strongly about the best way to remember Dean and Tina.”

They've set up a fund to help other families. Yes. So they can end their suffering. Like they have had to suffer all these years. The family's actually teamed up with one of the genealogists who made the faithful called to them two years ago. We just got all the matches back. So we're really just a couple of days away from having her name. Yeah. Awesome. There are a lot of people out there with missing family members. With DNA, there's just no reason why these missing people can't be found.

What's so incredible about this case is that after decades of feeling this profound loss

with Dean and Tina, all these years later, that's now been tempered somewhat with the joy and the relief in finding Holly. How often do you think of your parents and and what happened to them? Not knowing. Every day. Every day, no, not a day that goes by. I don't think of them. And

“what happened? Because now you believe you know them. I do. I've gotten to know them.”

And I miss them. So tell me about how my parents got married. Okay. I came home and worked that day. It must be difficult to think all the years you lived without your grandma Donna. And she was there all along. But she was, praying me through it. I had no idea. Prayer works. God does answer. You might have to wait 40 years. And you did? Yes. And it was definitely worth the wait.

You heard Holly there telling me that the weight was worth it that she finally got to

hug her grandmother Donna. We did learn in recent days to have her that grandma Donna has passed away now at the age of 82. But Holly and the family grateful that they had the reunion that they had this time together before saying goodbye. Pretty extraordinary that they actually got that time together. Holly calling her grandmother a prayer warrior. Holly's new book finding Baby Holly is out next week. Thanks for watching. I'm Deborah Roberts. And I'm David

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