House of Cards (Rebroadcast)

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The next era of ballroom starts right here on Dancing with the Stars of the next pro. Series premiere Monday, 8/7 central on ABC, next day on Nulu. We had a 74-year-old woman killed at 35-year-old woman killed. Somebody had to need to tell her story. The blood and a lot of blood all over the mother and the daughter.

“Angel and mom were definitely a pack of steak and why would you murder to innocent people?”

Two innocent women. We have an extremely psychotic, taunting killer who's taking pleasure in the homicide, who is taunting the police and writing this letter. About 12-30 or so, I got my knife and did the dirty deed. What a rush.

Don't bother checking for prints or DNA. I'm wearing a body-sudent gloves.

And then a second letter came in.

I write to you again, I must confess I have done it for a second time. And we had a killer, apparently, who is traveling the country. The two letters sent by the killer made it pretty clear.

“He's not only one step ahead of the cops, but the murder spree isn't over.”

[Music] On the ground, I would've had a smell of meat. I didn't let him up. Not bad. It starts on Friday night, the 4th of July weekend, in an awful virgin.

John Straff is a rookie officer working weekends shift.

It's about one-thirty in the morning, a patrol in East Ocean View area. Driving around, I was, uh, by myself, doing normal routine patrols in that area. When I got the call from dispatch to respond to a frightened stream. Okay, if there's any serious bleeding, I'll go help me. I've had any chance to request over there any serious bleeding.

The victim keeps hanging up. The 911 operator keeps calling her back. I'm glad that everybody's out with you. I'm glad everybody's out with you. This could be anything.

Can accident, burglary? It is much worse. As I'm approaching the steps, I can see that the interior front door is open and the screen door is shut. And I can also see that there's a light on inside the residents. In front of him, there is the faded sort of beige Oriental rug on the floor.

And there is a lot of red what he takes to be blood. And he sees an older woman on the floor on the rug next to a phone that appears to have blood on. I immediately drew my weapon. Opened up the front door, walked in.

“X the elderly female. Is there anybody else in the residents?”

She said, "My daughter is in the bedroom. I looked around." My main concern was, is there. The person that did this is that person still in the residents. Definitely nervous, but your adrenaline takes over for the situation at hand. The lady that was hardly called 911, her name was later determined to be Vanda, Goyena,

and she actually was 74 years of age. This woman has been stabbed multiple times at her throat as it slid. So, when the elderly female said, "My daughter is in the bedroom and I took a couple of steps towards the bedroom walking down the hall." He knew what he was going to find.

A second victim. I could see that she was clearly deceased covered in blood playing naked face down on the floor. She was later identified to be Angelique Goyena. She was 35 years old.

also soaked in blood. It is an image that is hard to forget.

“They've already checked Angel's room, and now they have to go through every other room in the house.”

The closet's the kitchen to make sure that the killer is not still inside. Detective Walker Whiteside arrives just minutes later. Unfortunately, I've been to a lot of homicides. It was probably one of the worst that room literally just looked like something out of the movies. I didn't even look real. Very rarely do you see a scene that gruesome.

It was very clear that she had more stab wounds than what you could possibly count. I think it ended up being over 37, 38 stab wounds. There was just no rhyme or reason to why the amount of injuries were inflicted on the victims. He can still hear Vanda calling out for Angel. She kept asking me how Angel was doing. She was dead. She was okay.

It hits home. It does. You try to separate yourself from that, but I've got three children.

“So you do kind of empathize. You have to as a human. It's horrific.”

He's starting to realize how many times she's been stabbed. He knows at this point he doesn't have a lot of time. As EMT's work, Whiteside steps out to call a homicide detective. Who tells him what has to happen next. He asked me at that time to do a dying declaration. So a dying declaration is a legal term. Now normally somebody has the right to confront their accuser in court. This is the exception to that. The accuser is actually dead.

So with their last breath, it's presumed to be the truth. A dying declaration can be used in court, but there isn't one rule. The person has to believe that they're going to die when they give you the statement. And then ultimately they have to die. Normal human compassion is to just tell everybody you're going to be okay. Keep fighting. We're helping you. It's completely counterintuitive to look at someone

and tell them you're going to die. Basically, there's no hope you're not going to survive this.

For them to tell you their their last thoughts is this is who did it to me. That's very powerful.

Walter Lucas, she says Walter Lucas. Two women staffed a death inside this Frieden Street home. Tonight normally so looking for the person responsible. It's 74-year-old Vandagoyena died in the hospital yesterday one day after getting stabbed for 35-year-old daughter Angeliguyena died at early Saturday morning. The door frame around the front door had been forced. They fingerprinted all the windows

and found no late fingerprint on any of the exterior windows to the house. No signs of some sort of forest entry. By nothing is stolen and there is no murder one. All the DNA and fingerprints belong to Vandagoyena, Angel, or live in fiancee David and other family members. The detectives have only one crew to pursue. They have to find Walter Lucas. As a family we gathered and tried to find out what would possibly be a motive and we couldn't

come up with a thing. Why would you murder two innocent people? Two innocent women. Mailbox. One. You have three old messages. Oh my answering machine from 15 years ago. Angeliguyena, Angeliguyena, I'm seeing a happy birthday to me. I kept it. So months later they're not on our planet. I've kept that for 15 years and somehow it's still intact.

We always call their Angeliguyena. I mean it's like you see if your parents called you

“you know by Angeliguyena. Come here. You're in trouble right?”

If you say Angeliguyena, you come here then you're not in trouble. Angeliguyena is the baby of the family. She's younger than three siblings by 16 years. And she loves fantasy novels. She loves dressing up at Elizabethan Style. She writes poetry. She writes stories. And she and her best friend even wrote stories together.

Which is something you don't mind very often anymore.

“And that's why I've ever heard to be gone and still in a way like that.”

It was heart-wrenching. This was a woman who loved imagination. Love the magical world. We went to a Renaissance fair. I think Angeliguyena enjoyed just kind of the fun and the carefree nature out of it. We went to Virginia Beach and on the beach. We saw the statue of Neptune. Just hung out and just spent time.

Angel's job may be in a sandwich shop but her heart is clearly in her poetry.

A heart is judged by the love it gives. It's thoughts, deeds, and actions. First you must open

your heart and take a chance. Angel and her mother Vonda were very close. Angel and Mom were definitely a packaged deal. She was the caretaker for her mom. She had dementia and heart problems and that was her world. Well, I was like my little sister was my mom's caper. They did watch TV. They read. Angeliguy would write poetry in photography and horror. You know, painting and drawing.

“That's what they did. My mom was from West Virginia and she was a hoop. Oh my gosh.”

But, you know, you couldn't fool the wool over her eyes at all. You know, we all tried, you know. And she was very creative as well. That's probably where Angel got a lot of her creativity.

Angeliguy and Mom would always go to the store together. They'd go out to the beach to go

to it, you know, one of the stores for the wicker. They love the wicker store. Both of them wicker's a pagan spiritual practice. Someone can even call themselves witches. They see all of the earth and sky and moon all of nature as a mother goddess. Angeliguy's always been fascinated with the stars. They kind of opened her eyes to nature, sunsets, leaves, they're definitely energy to things. Kind of like the force. I mean, with you, kind of them. Beyond that, they also

“love tarot cards. Reading each other's future and fortunes. The tarot cards were, I remember”

them having tarot cards, both of them. Tarot cards, palm reading, that kind of stuff. They'd love a reading. They had a love of tarot cards, nature walks in the park. They were really in tune with one another. More so as friends beyond that mother and daughter special bond. They did everything together. They went everywhere together. Except for, you know, of course when Angeliguy could go out on tape. Mom couldn't go then. Angeliguy meant most of the guys she

dated online. She wanted to be married and she wanted a family if she did. She talked about it. I know that's something she definitely wanted and she was helpful. She did tell me she really wanted to have a child and she was concerned that she was too old. She was 35. She was on the all over the page with dating. One guy he was really into motorcycles and so she'd be the passenger and his one fellow she dated was a pilot, small top planes, and he let her fly.

And it seemed to be exciting people that she would date. In 2006 Angel decides to put herself out there. So she signs up to a dating app and then days after she meets a man who's a father of two. What you can't live without? My dreams have changed happiness and all. My true love is out there still. The last book he's stories with of where wolves, vampires, and other magical creatures. My sons are both scouting, so we like to go camping. I'm a good adream interpretation. I live with

and take care of them. It's a strong emphasis on families. I love when dating at my poetry published. I dreamt of a night in shining armor. Don't laugh, but I've kept them a dying of gold and silver of a night upon a steve for the day I meet him. Angel is discovering so much more about David Hoshal. He is an electrical designer. He's a scout master. He's seen me more and more to her. Like he could be the one. I remember Angel telling me he seemed sweet. She told me he had two

boys and they were a big part of his life. I think Angel wanted from David just to kind of be that

meets David's ex-wife Naomi. David was an eagle scout. So, of course, he got the boys into scouting. They went camping with the scouts and they really enjoyed it. He was an adoring father.

When I first met David, my initial thought was, he looks cuddly.

No, they look cuddly. The way. Within a matter of months, they fall in love. David proposes and now he's moved in with her in Vanda. An Angel is just often running planning a wedding. December 18, 2006, David Wayne Hoshal Jr. David is my fiance and this will be the first of many Christmas memories that we will treasure. We are planning on being married September 15, 2007. Angel was into the Renaissance and she was having a special dress me. It was very much Angel.

It was red trim, you know, just could have fairy tale. And her shoes, she actually bought from a store and decorated them the way she wanted them. You know, artists and all.

“I think my marriage name will be pretty Angelique Elaine Hoshal. I wonder if our children”

will have dark hair like me and blue eyes like David. I still have the dress that I purchase to wear as made of honor. Of course, neither of those dresses are ever worn. Two months before her wedding Angel is killed. Police don't have much to work with at this point. Just a dying declaration with the name Walter Lucas. Who is this guy? Police need to track him down. Turns out Walter is in hard to find. Walter is my ex husband. We were married in our 20s and then, you know,

we got divorced. But he stayed in touch with the family. Everybody loved him. Not only does he seem unlikely, the detective's find that on the night of the murder, Walter was more than 200 miles away.

When the detective told me that vondon mentioned my name, I knew I wasn't the one because first off

I went there and I knew the chat all timers. I just shrugged it off. But he said my DNA was there and I said, "Well, of course, I was there the week before visiting them." But his alibi checks out so they have to cross Walter Lucas off the list. At the time that I was interviewed by the detective, they said they don't have any leads. If there is no break-in, the next question police ask is who could get into the house. The only people with keys are the two dead women and

“members of the immediate family. Everyone who has a key, family, David de Fiance, all have alibi's”

two. The family members confirm that David Hosha is a couple hours away and he's on the middle peninsula in Virginia at a boy scout week-long camp. David is with his 12-year-old son. Other parents see him there at 11 o'clock Friday night. Now 6-3 Saturday morning, he's there for camp breakfast. And David drives back into Norfolk that afternoon. That Saturday was when he brought my oldest back to me and everything was fine. The police

struck him down and they tell him that they need him to come down to the station. Then I'd gotten the call from the police department saying that my ex-husband was there and that he needed a ride. The whole time I'm like, "What happened?" And David did say, "Well, you know, if I was there, I could have saved." And I'm like, "What do you mean if you were there, you could have saved 'em. You would be dead, too." And yeah, I was confusing. Because we

had no way to go after. No evidence. Days are passing and there's no arrest. No clues, no clear direction. They want justice. They want answers. It takes a little piece in your soul

“and it breaks your heart just a little more. Every time you have to tell them that there's no”

breakthrough in the past. But two weeks later, a pretty startling development. A single piece of paper changes it all. It's a confessor. You need a homicide victims family for the first time. They don't know you from anybody in the world.

And you suddenly are handling the most important thing in their life. The case involving death

and their mother and their sister. The police at this point are just stymied. It's been a months since the murders. There is no evidence. But then a development that most murder investigations never see. A letter from the killer. And it's postmarked from Chicago.

So that is highly unusual. You don't have a clue, do you? I met the pretty

bitch at the beach a few days before I killed her. She had her mother with her. She told me she was getting married in September but she wanted to have one last fling beforehand. It references angel and her mother going to the beach. Now investigators cross check her diary where she actually talks about going to the beach with her mom. Me and mom decided not to waste a good day and we're ready to be on the beach by 8 a.m. or so.

After that, I'll play the rest of the day slash night by ear. And the dates line up. There's also a description about going to a laundry and everything else and all that was consistent with the habits of angel and her mother.

“How would the writer know of this and unless they knew the women and less they were actually there?”

When it came to going all the way, she told me she was having second thoughts and couldn't do it.

About 12, 30 or so, I got my knife and did the dirty key. What a rush. I should have gagged her first because she screamed and woke up her mother and that's mother MOTHA. The detectives think the use of that kind of slang. Be odd to mother. It's kind of a clumsy way of trying to make them think the writer's black. Angel had previously dated white men, African-American men, different types of employment, which is one thing that infuses the issue.

The writer clearly knows the victims. Don't bother checking for Prince or DNA. I'm wearing a body suit and gloves. Clearly it showed a killer that was reveling on what he had done.

Really was unconcerned with talking about the act itself. And then lo and behold, a second letter

is received. It's mailed from Gaylord Michigan, which is a small community in the middle of Michigan. This one is so badly spelled. It's hard to read. Let me try. Detectives, I write to you again. I must confess. I have done it for a second time. Friday's street was just beginning for me. He's now saying that he's killed someone

“possibly in the Midwest. He gave me such a rush. I can't explain. I will never forget me first.”

The Goaganas. So now they're checking the Midwest for on explained homicides. A killer could be wronging for state to state. He could easily have come through Norfolk. Norfolk Virginia has one of the highest per capita murder rates in the United States. You have large ports. You have an international airport. You're kind of the hub for 95 and 85 areas where people will travel on north and south a lot. We have an extremely psychotic taunting killer who is taking

pleasure in the homicide, who is taunting the police, who writes in a vernacular words that are more commonly used by an African-American or someone else other than somebody in the family. Both letters and envelopes were forensically checked. No DNA on either of them. Taunting the police is not a smart move. It tends to make them even more determined. The case is about to add another detective and the most bizarre twist yet.

Man comes into the station. Says he knows who did it. Hands them a ceremonial knife and tells them he's a vampire. You know when you locked in, focus and fearless. Welcome to the WMBA. Your vision narrows. You can't look away. Every assist, every stop, every logo, three. What records are going to be broken this season? All of it. Right here.

Lock in. It's the WMBA on ESPN. All season long. Three decades ago, a young woman named Angie Dodge is found brutally murdered in her bedroom in Idaho Falls. It was the probably the worst case I've ever seen. It is the one that sticks with me. Please, zero in on a suspect and put a man behind bars. I don't know what the hell you guys want.

“Do you think we'd be wasted in our time and waste in your time if we didn't think you're involved?”

But as the years pass, doubts emerge. About whether the real killer was ever caught. That's when Angie's own mother and barks on a decades-long mission to uncover the truth. Twenty-three years I've been trying to put this puzzle together and

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“But that unit itself gives them two important clues. First, as murders were likely planned,”

second, it's probably someone angel in fond and no. A close friend, maybe a romantic part.

We have this fiance and they're set to get married in September. We aren't aware of any motive for him to want to do harm to his fiance and for the more he's out of the area. This is a dead end for them. And at this point, the rest of the family and the friends have been ruled out. Prosecutor Phil Evans needs a confinant. Someone that he knows will get the job done. So he turns to a man that he's worked with many times in the past.

Let's get Rick Malman on this case. We'll work it together. Feeling I have worked a lot of cases together. I won't say it's like brothers, but it's pretty close.

Rick was the best of the best. He was someone who could translate the crime scene,

“but he also understood what it really means to develop evidence for the court.”

I went to the house with Detective Malman. We walked through it. You could still feel the murder in the house. I knew that this case was going to be difficult, but deep down, I felt that this was a solve case. It'd be a take time, but it was going to be a solve case. They approached this from the standpoint of we're going to start at Brown Zero.

We weren't at the crime scene. We're going to go back and go through everything so that we are comfortable nothing was missed. Nobody is perfect when they commit a murder. I mean, it would look something. But there is no such thing as the perfect murder. At this point, Evans and Malman are worried about something else. The killer made it pretty

clear. He's not only one step ahead of the cops, but the murders free isn't over. Anyone working that case should have taken that murder personally, and I did.

And then a second letter came in, taunting. I must confess, I have done it a second time.

I was going to do everything I possibly could to find that person. The cops up here are a lot smarter than use. It really puts an increased energy on detective Malman and certainly I felt it. We had a victim's family here who was just gutted. They lost their mother and sister. And we had a killer apparently who was traveling the country. At the very least, if he wasn't

killing other people, he was perversely enjoying having killed the Goyanis. You don't just look at suspects in America. You also look at the victims. By 2008, it detected Malman and his partner are digging deeper into Angel's past, and they find the ties to WCA. Remember, Angel and her mom were interested in

“and hung out in this WCA bookstore. Angelic's relationship with WCA was more interest. I think”

that kind of trickled down to Mom as well, because Mom got interested in that. WCA became popular in America back in the '50s. You know, you can think of lunar rituals in secular worship. It is not black magic and Satanism. It's more defined as nature's religion. Where Earth is a source of spiritual power. Angel had become associated with a group that loosely operated out of a bookstore called the Mystic Moon. WCA rituals often

involve a special set of mystical tools, commonly including a wand, a pentagon, a chalice, and a large night called an Athen used only for symbolic purposes. To the police, that opened a Pandora's box of "Well, who did she meet there?" January 2, 2008, there's a call to the North of Police Department. There's a man that wants to talk to you on the Goyanic case. He considered himself a vampire.

community where there were some people who were involved in vampirism. He also,

“disturbingly, implied to the detectives that he may know something about Angel's murder.”

He produced a knife that he said that was used by someone else to commit the murder. So now the detectives had a knife and a possession. The case is taking a pretty bizarre turn. More than six months after Angel and Vonder were stabbed to death, the detective malman sitting across from a self-described vampire. Someone who claims to drop pleasure from adjusting blood, and someone who turns over an Athen knife, he says is the murder weapon.

The knife was submitted to the lab. There was no DNA, blood trace, and the knife could not

have made the injuries on the body. And so once we talked to him and knew that he was not close to the family, I didn't have a problem eliminating him. It's another costly detour squandering time and resources. So Evans and Melvin take a harder look at someone who seemed to have an airtight alibi. Angel's fiance, David Housha. He came to take his son to a Boy Scout camp and he had been away from his fiance for a while.

He certainly could have left Boy Scout camp. He could have given to the house without being noticed.

We looked into David Housha's background. The more we looked in the more disturbing

information came, he becomes stronger not by evidence of this crime but by information about this behavior in the past. We had a 74 year woman kill, a 35 year woman kill, somebody need to tell their story. That's it. The house looks so different. Everything's changed. Everything's new.

It has a good thing. Detective Rick Malvin is a veteran homicide detective with 15 years under his belt. But this case is different. Malvin begins an investigation that will spend two years, four states and a couple thousand miles. I got here in the early morning hours. The initial investigators were here with me when I arrived. Rick Malvin was one of our senior homicide detectives. He was definitely one of the go-to guys. He had a very good reputation.

Detective Malvin was just very focused and it was like the bulldog sense about him that he's going to get something done. He's going to do something. When I go to work on homicide, when I roll out prey, that's from a mother. I pray that I don't get tunnel vision and let me see through the last. Fishing through all the lies detective Rick Malvin and his partner, they've been following dozens of leads. All of them are dead ants. The only

“real solid clue that they have at this point are these two letters. But who wrote those letters?”

And was it truly the killer? I can't remember a case where the police department ever received legitimate letters like this in connection with the real homicide in you. No. We explored the possibility of a being a serial killer. Letters were taken to the FBI lab and they determined that it wasn't a serial killer. So that narrowed down a search and they were called shell. Look more like a suspect. To me, there's no reason to write a letter like that other than try to throw

the police off. Obviously whoever wrote it put an awful and strange handwriting that's not the same as the return address. Part of trying to look at everything is each person of interest. We want to know everything we can about. My way of doing my job in Rick Malvin's way of doing his

“job is we're going to get every detail we know. We're talking about this guy David Hoshaw, who is he?”

For Angel, David Hoshaw is the man she wants to grow old with. But in the months before they

except before work this morning. He says he misses me and I hope he does because I miss him.

Hoshaw has a job doing electrical work for Virginia company with U.S. Navy contracts. Detectives learn he tells Angel he's been placed on a project in the Midwest. Most of the time, who living up there and commuting back to Norfolk. But you got to ask, is that really why he's gone? Angel's diary entries in the last weeks of her life. She was frustrated on one level because he didn't seem to be engaged and he didn't seem to be his normal demeanor towards her.

It just makes you feel ignored when you get only less than five minutes on a call,

when you need way more to feel loved and appreciated. You worked for a naval contractor

just supposedly building a ship. But where are you building a ship in Wisconsin or Michigan? How's it? It didn't make sense. You would think it would be built in Norfolk, not the Midwest. Great lakes.

“I've been filled with all sorts of doubts and worries, but I think the part of me is slowly”

learning to trust David and that he is not like the guys in my past that betrayed and hurt me. I hope this means my capacity to love is increasing as well. There were definitely red flags that David possibly was cheating or hiding something from each all just when she couldn't get a hold of him and he's not where he's supposed to be. When the forensic investigators were going through the house, one of the things that was of interest was a computer.

We got the search warrant for the computer, and we got a tube for resin. That's when we found out when he changed that password. The forensic analysis of the computer revealed that on June 24th, 2007, David Hoshah's the administrator for the computer

“changed the password to four Amanda. Amanda, if David's marrying Angel in two months, who is Amanda?”

Amanda came into the picture when we realized David Hoshah had changed the password on a computer. It's early 2007, Angel is buzzing planning for this wedding. Turns out, David Hoshah, he actually goes back to the dating websites and he ends up connecting with and starts to date another woman. So while he's traveling for business to stay up there to work, he was actually cultivating another relationship in that area to Amanda to another woman.

All the while Angel is preparing for a wedding in September. Angel was very trusting, but when someone hasn't necessarily given you initially a reason to doubt them, why should you? That password unlocks more than a computer. It also opens an exhaustive search. Detectives started digging into everything David Hoshah said he was doing before during and after the killings, starting with his airtight alibi. What's he really in Boy Scout

camp at night of the murders? We knew he was roughly 80 miles away at 11 pm at night. He was there at six in the morning, that is not physically impossible to drive to an off of two hours, commit a brutal homicide and drive back, but it's unlikely behavior. Detecting Melbourne knows the whole case is riding on the letters, prove you something and they have their killer. When you're looking at individuals capable of committing a homicide, David Hoshah does not jump off

the pages. He doesn't look like he's going to be a threat to anybody, but sometimes people that present that way are actually the most dangerous. Turns out David Hoshah was more dangerous than

anyone imagined. It's like a whole nightmare. I never thought it would be a million years

I would be on. He came down the hall and grabbed my throat and started strangling me. I just felt something just smack across the back of my head and I just blacked out. When I walked in the resonance, I was slightly in shock of what I saw. Two people are no

“longer with us who should be who were good people. What would possibly be a motive?”

Could the murders somehow be tied to angels' interest in the occult? Remember, angel and a mom were

We got two letters that we have a killer taken credit for the double homicide together. A skip town pretty quick. I move around a lot so good luck catching me. But if you ever confronted him about anything, this is which which is flipping his brain. I just felt something just smack across the back of my head and I just blacked out. It was just like I was growing in an alligator pit and I needed to fight my way out of it.

“That I think truly there was something more sinister now I got.”

We've had several of the power sides in the city of Norfolk with multiple deaths. This case was unusual and it says that it was a mother and daughter. Angel and Vandagoyana were killed so brutally right in their home. How could there be no evidence to go on? There was no size of who are centric. There was no DNA or fingerprints. The police investigation of everyone angel knew including people from the Wicked Bookstore has

led nowhere and the self proclaimed vampire who went to the police. It was a false lead. Angel was humble as she was kind. She was writing how excited she was to get married. I was trying to get to kill him. I was going to do everything I possibly could to find that person. Where do they go from here? Angel's best friend thinks she knows. It was David.

I just had a feeling. Remember, early in their investigation, police reached out to Angel's fiancee David Hoshon. At the time he seemed to have a credible alibi. David talks to police and tells them he was about 80 miles away on a Boy Scout trip. But it was some of what David said during this interview that peaked their interest. What was

“interesting was he never asked them why do you need to talk to me? If you got called by the”

homicide squad, your first question is what is this about? When he was talking to the detectives,

he tells them, "Check my EasyPass." Well, you could leave the EasyPass at the Boy Scout camp. When a person is being interviewed in a murder investigation and they're providing you a lot of information. It means they're totally innocent or they're somehow involved and they've gone to a lot of trouble to make it look like they're totally innocent. David Hoshon became like a union in the case. The more you peeled him back, the more strange information came out. A disturbing picture of

Hoshon's past begins to emerge. We knew that there were at least six women that David Hoshon was involved in and we investigated all six of them. David Hoshon had been married three times prior to becoming engaged to Angel. I am Naomi Hoshon. I was David's first wife. We were 16 and we met at Bush Gardens when we worked there. It's all the funs vendor of Old Europe from Old Korea. At first, neither one I was like each other. You know, I looked at him like, "Oh, he's too

preppy and his uniforms on too perfect." I gave him a little bit of attention and he gave it back,

a million fold. I felt special. Of course, when he asked me, Mary, I'm definitely saying,

“"Yes, because that's what I wanted." He then joined the United States Air Force and was transferred”

out to Spokane, Washington, area. And the good times were good, but what I remember are more of the bad times. He would be very lovey-dubby when he wanted to be, but if you ever confronted him about anything, which would just flip in his brain. I found out I was pregnant and he was like, "No, you're not pregnant, you're not pregnant." And I was, I was on bed rest at the very end. And I got up because I wanted something to drink. He came down the hall and grabbed my throat and started

strangling me. In my oldest son, he was just screaming and screaming and screaming and he just

wouldn't stop. Finally, David let go. And I went and picked up my oldest son and calmed him down.

I was terrified. And I didn't know what was going to happen next. And then there were some letters that I found. To my one true love. During his first marriage, David also started to groom and

Your mom would not have known. I didn't know what was going on. I was naive. You're in your 20s

“and this person is still an elementary school. Love forever, David. You knew she was 12.”

That's the part that I could never wrap my head around.

Naomi had complained to the United States Air Force about domestic abuse. The 12-year-old girl and her parents cooperated with the United States Air Force. He pled guilty to both Indies and Axe and Assault on the 12-year-old. The United States Air Force chose not to criminally prosecute him in a court marshal, which could have sent him to prison and had ministeratively discharged him from the Air Force

with another than honorable discharge. I fell for the divorce and he never fought me. After his discharge from the military, David follows his ex-wife Naomi back to Virginia to stay close to his kids where he begins online dating. One of the women that we talk to indicated he said all the right things. And he wound him down. After Naomi, he got involved with

his eventual second life who he was married to for a short time. And then there was me.

My name is Allison Ashcroft. I am David's third wife. I met David in 2001 through an online dating website. He shoured a lot of attention on me and that was not something that I was used to. At that time, I was severely overweight. And so that there was this person who found me attractive despite that was just mind-blowing to me. And I thought, I might want to hang on to this one. We were concerned what we learned from Naomi and the domestic

assault. We were trying to see if there's a continuity of violence with Hoshah. I hadn't injury at David's hands. It was having migraines and dizziness. David had asked if there was anything he could

do to help. And we had a massage roller. So he started rolling this thing back and forth across my neck.

He started moving a little faster and he was lifting the roller off my neck. And then eventually I just felt something just smack across the back of my head. And I just blacked out. When I came to, he was standing on the side of the bed, looking down at me, saying, "Do you think we need to go to the hospital?" Hoshah came up with some story that did not include any acknowledgement. He had something to do with it.

I don't think anything was really said other than he may have said he was sorry and that the roller just slipped out of his hands. Now I realized, you know, I was

“young and naive then that I think truly there was something more sinister going on.”

It left that nagging seat of doubt in her mind. In 2005, he said, "This marriage isn't working out." So I can't do this anymore. I'll pack my stuff up in the morning and I'll be gone and we can get a divorce. I think if I had tried to work things out with him, if I had stayed, I might not be sitting here right now. As detectives dig into all of David Hoshah's past relationships,

they learn that his trail of lies and disceptions only continues to grow. And very soon he would move on to a relationship with Angel. And that's when he got ugly. Now that the authorities have learned about David Hoshah's disturbing past,

“the question becomes, what exactly happened between David and Angel?”

When Angely go in, I meet her true love online. There's a lot he isn't telling her. Like, he's been married three times. I have a huge heart of gold that I want to share with my partner. What he projected was all the type of things Angely goena who would want to hear or see in a dating profile. I was happy that my sister found someone.

But when I met him, I didn't really care for him. There was something about him. I didn't like, you know, this force and energy. It wasn't good. But Angely liked him so much. Little like him too. Within a few months, David Hoshah was moving in with Angel and Vanda.

For one of them we found that out. We were up in arms about that. And he's a bomb. He's going to live in my mom's house with nothing. Now we didn't like that. My mom wanted her to stay.

Angel's diary entries, but they started to change. It's not all hearts and flowers anymore.

Why is he so secretive about his money? I know marriage is a matter of trust, but David is weird with money. There was concern that David was not the person here originally appeared to be. Angelique would tell me out of the clear blue that he'd have a look on his face, like he was disgusted with her. And that would really bother her.

David was wanting her to put Vanda in a managed care facility in Angel was vehemently against that. He's been grumpy and moody. Tonight he was even arguing with mom.

I stood up for her of course, but it put me in a strange place between mom who I love and David who I love.

David didn't seem to have jumped in, done getting the wedding preparations together. He did nothing. He proposed and that was it. She's bugging poshaw, who do you want to invite? And he kept saying, yeah, yeah, I'll get them to you. And David poshaw is going back and forth to Michigan. He wasn't around. I don't know if that's strange for somebody who wanted to get married.

David said in a condescending tone of voice, "Don't question me where I am."

“This has seemed like it was feeling more fuzzies for me now, does it?”

Angelique called me and she was really upset and said that she'd had a bad dream. That she dreamed he was kissing someone else. And I tried to console her. You're getting cold feet or something like that. Now I kind of looking back and I'm like, oh my gosh. It's quite of all the red flags. Even the day before she's killed, Angel is still looking forward to the wedding.

Friday, 77 days in counting. After work today, as I always do, I check my voice smell and

guess who finally called. David, he'll be home sometime tomorrow and for that I am very glad. That is written just hours before she dies. Initially, the family is going to the house and they're going through personal belongings. We gathered and tried to, I know. What would possibly be about it? There were friends that investigators still working on the house.

“Trying to make sure they didn't miss some friends together. There was nothing, nothing important to”

anybody. We didn't think it was going to be solved. A couple times Hoshaw showed up there, which they thought was strange. He was allowed access to the house. He should not have been allowed in the house. I just got to God anything he wanted. You know, that could destroy the case. It maybe he did. I just noticed why isn't he grieving? It didn't even appear to be shocked. At the viewing, at the funeral home, Tire family shows up who doesn't show up, David Hoshaw.

Angel's sisters and her brother are like, "There's something up with David Hoshaw." Not only is David Hoshaw a no show at his fiancee's funeral, he makes another stunning move. He packs up, leaves Norfolk, and moves to Michigan to be with a new girlfriend. Remember, as police were investigating Hoshaw, they discovered that shortly before the murder, he changed his computer password to "For Amanda."

“Marking? Tell me your first name, and how you're connected to this?”

Amanda and I was engaged to David Hoshaw. Amanda's request, we are not using her last name, and have altered her appearance. He told me that his ex, Angelic, was murdered. He was distraught, he was confused, he went to the police department, and their questioning him, and I asked him, I said, "Did you do it?" He said, "No." He said, "He was cleared." So I believed them.

When I found out that he had another woman, I went, "Oh my gosh, Angelic's dream." It's like she was right. I set up a meeting with the victim's family, and they were adamant that they knew it was David Hoshaw. We all thought it was him. We had to get him charged, for fear he would do something else.

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stream on Hulu in Disney Plus. David Hosha is now living with his girlfriend Amanda, and while police consider him a prime suspect, there's no physical evidence linking him to the murders. The detectives in this case may feel like David Hosha's the killer,

but they can't yet prove it, and hunches don't count in a corner. We have circumstances, we have behavior that is strange, but we have to demonstrate there is no other person that could have committed the homicide. We looked at everything that David Hosha did before the homicide,

and out of the homicide. We got two letters that we have a killer taking credit for the double homicide. Yeah, but we need evidence to show that Hosha was the only person that could have mailed the letters.

This is the envelope of the first letter that was mailed on July 23

from Curtis Collins' processing station in Chicago, but you were able to nail it down to one specific distribution center that would have applied that postmarked. We had to try to find something that would put him around Chicago so we had to try to rebuild David Hosha's activities

if they can connect the dots of cell phone records and credit card receipts, they can use the paper drill that Hosha left in trouble. We'd start up following the cell phone records of David Hosha. There was a cell call that bounced off a tower within a few miles of where this letter would have had to have been mailed.

“That was really key that we were able to put him between 2.1”

and 2.6 miles from that post office. So, evidence places David in Chicago near the post office on the same day the first letter was mailed. Can they connect him to the second letter? But this one was mailed nowhere near Chicago.

August 15th, that letter is dropped in the mailbox and Gaylord Michigan, which is a small community in the middle of Michigan, middle of nowhere, David Hosha's credit card purchases opened a window because his purchase history was literally a road map. We knew that David Hosha took his new girlfriend Amanda

on a little cell of the Tory road trip. Tell me about that. Why did you take that trip? We went on a trip because I had a doctor's appointment and we started off in our town and we stopped at all these little different places. There were hotels. There was the zoo.

I hop, movie theaters. We followed all of them. Yeah, he's showing Amanda the good time and he's trying to impress her. August 13th and 14th he was consistently making purchases moving southward on the inner state to the point where he would go through Gaylord on August 15th. Then a few hour time frame, he made purchases north of Gaylord and then south of Gaylord.

There's a single highway running through it. What are the odds? It's going to be somebody else, who mailed that letter.

“So never saw him stepping away to go to the post office or mail anything?”

No, nothing unusual. I mean, I'm usually the one that's gone, you know, stepping up somewhere. Now they've got a string of receipts and cell phone records that all connect David to the letters. The problem with that is that doesn't go into court and prove anything.

Could the answer be witnesses? It is always a lot more powerful when you have an eyewitness.

That carries a lot more weight in front of a jury. So Detective Melvin and his partner go on a road trip, talking to store owners and vendors,

subpoenaed in this case. They present their case to the grand jury and get an indictment and an arrest warrant for David Hoshah. David Hoshah had set up a separate life. He was moving on. We knew a man to had now changed her life to live with David Hoshah and take him into her home.

David and Amanda have a child that Amanda's due with their second, but things seem to be

headed downhill. David's changed. He was acting weird. I had find him in random places.

“I'm like, what are you doing? Why are you sitting here? You never had an answer?”

We wanted David Hoshah not to be prepared for what was happening and we wanted to create an impact upon Amanda. So, 2009, you're pregnant with your second child and you hear a knock on the door. I didn't get no knock on the door. So tell me about what happened. It was a 4 AM. Any rush in? One officer pushes me to the side and I'm asking what's going on. So, they're running in and just grabbing David and... Yeah, it was a good hand on the ground.

I have a baby in the other room. I'm just asking what's going on. Well, he's under arrest. David Hoshah stepped out. He was handcuffed and that escorted out of the house.

We finally told him that you murdered two people. He was X. But really, to find out he was his fiance.

It wasn't his X fiance. It was just his fiance. What did you say? I was stunned because he thought he was clear. He was transported to a state police barracks. That was the first chance that Detective Malvin had to talk to David Hoshah. It would've been a positive reaction. I didn't get time to even process anything I just. It's like I was thrown in an alligator pet and I needed to fight my way out of it.

Amanda has no idea that she's about to break the case.

“I didn't have a confession from David Hoshah at all this other evidence. The only way he could say”

something is of tactically and psychologically we've got under his skin. He has David, David, David, he has an executioner who will embark with our horses and no sequence each. We're here to talk to you about the deaths and the antigen in front of him. When we walked into that interview room, I expected to get a confession. I was so pumped. Here you recall, Malvin's letter. I'm not a police officer. No, I don't think so.

That's never. On the person that Malvin left, took credit for the deaths of the antigen we had in front of him. I think he was unnerved but trying not to show it, then he's sort of like

“processing the situation talking in a normal turn on the voice.”

You will be able to go one mile of the post office and process them off. I said I don't repeat in the underlational term. That would be one hell of the post office. What else is the correct one? I would want David to know that we knew almost better than him what he had done after the homicide. Let me give you a little history on the trip. Stayed at the copper ant, room 333.

Yeah, yeah, take a packet of breakfast or cake meal. There is a psychological tactical game that goes on the room.

And it's hard. I know it's hard talking about it first time.

But I guarantee you once you get it off your chest, you're going to feel a lot better. I know you're hard at birth right now, man. You got to a point where I told him that he wasn't going home. That he was going to come back to Norfolk to stand trial for killing Anjali in Vandal. And then he broke my heart.

I need to speak to Anjali, right? I need to speak to Anjali. He said I need to talk to an attorney. He knocked me down.

And I knew he wanted to talk to Amanda and Amanda had asked to talk to him.

“I asked if I could speak with David and find out what's going on.”

It told me it will get him ready. So I waited. I won't let Amanda on a similar approach and we'll see you all here. It was one of those things where sometimes like it's the drop of water and a still pool, you allow the drop to fall and then it will take its own course. It's not all you.

And rest it for her. Did you do it? It's been on. Did you? I love you. I love you. I love you to put all my heart. Did you hurt? Did you?

Yeah. We have to get ready. I know we do. I've asked for an attorney. I don't want to say anything else in front of police officers.

“So what did detective say to you about talking to David during the interrogation?”

Did I would have a private conversation in a room and I could talk to him? And it would be just me and him. Detective Malvin advised David Hoshal of his legal rights. This was an interview room in which there was a camera that was discreetly placed. So did you know it was going to be recorded?

No. I never knew that. Maybe I just, I need, or y'all. I'm just not the smartest cop in the bunch,

but I would thought it was just a private room. He had a right to remain silent. He didn't have to talk to him. I meant especially about the case. He didn't have to answer her. You know, I'm so sorry. Looking at you on the interrogation tape, it's almost as if you seem like you're in physical pain.

I was expecting all that my baby's daddy did this. I mean, come on. It was just drought. I thought maybe I was having a nightmare. But didn't. I didn't. I didn't move down there at that moment. I went down there to try and break up and things went on.

“I was so confused. It doesn't make sense to me. Why were you there at that time?”

If you were to give a break up with her, why didn't you do it during the day? Amanda started going off. She picked up the letter. Did they have this letter? That was stupid. I was trying to jump off my back. He eventually told her he milled a letter to get us off to the tail. So at that point, I knew I had a right person.

He took ownership of being the writer of the letters in this exchange with Amanda. And he said that, "Yeah, I mailed them to get them off my tracks."

I never understood how he had time to write these letters.

So he must have wrote them before and had them ready to go. If he had never mailed the letters, there's a very good chance the evidence would never have developed to charge him. He said enough to Amanda to strengthen my case. I couldn't wait to come out and call Phil.

It was a great feeling. He acknowledged that he went to the house to break up with her, but then things got out of hand. He admits to her sending the letters, a confession really is a mission of certain facts. I was pregnant at the time and I just found out that my man is a guilty of killing two. Not one, but two people.

All I could think of is why I wanted to get up and slap him. This is a smartly face.

The lies, all he does is lie. I feel there's more truth to the story and I figure the only way I could get the truth is through the courts.

“Amanda accused of killing a Norfolk woman and her mother now faces a capital murder charge,”

and Norfolk yesterday a grand jury indicted David Wayne Hosha. The problem with the case is the first thing a defense attorney is going to do in the stand-up of court and say you do not have one piece of evidence that demonstrates when a client committed the crime. One online predator unleashed hell on his targets. An internet terrorist. For the young female gamers he's hunting, there's no getting away.

It was unrelenting the cops need to figure out who he is and stop him before it's too late.

How is he doing all of this?

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So join me for new episodes of Killer Stories with Harvey Gianne every Monday. You want people to be held accountable for their absence. Two people are no longer with us who should be. His past is horrific. He prays on those that are insecure and maybe his people he perceives as being weak. He was a predator.

David Hoshah in jail is waiting for his murder trial to start. The prosecution seems to be pretty good about this. They have a very unsympathetic guy to put in front of his jury. It was clear he went to great ends to try to cover his tracks. And we knew that his taunting and the letters the boasting would not play well to a jury. But District Attorney Evans has a problem. The sort of evidence he's going to get to those 12 people.

Nobody said he did it. Nobody said he confessed to me. He did it. Nobody. Forensically said it was his thumbprint. It was his DNA. To be blunt, what we did was build up the case of certain stanchal evidence, layering one piece of evidence, information on top of another. This is not where a prosecutor wants to be. Juris liked how that smoking gun, that forensic proof, but that's not the hand that he's been dealt.

At the same time, the defense is doing their job trying to exclude evidence the prosecutor does have, like Angel's Directors. David said in a condescending tone of voice. Don't question me where I am. They want to throw the interrogation video. But it doesn't work. The judge admits it all. The diary, the interrogation, the jury's going to see all of it. Case was set to be tried for a month. We had about 140 witnesses a peanut. We were ready to go.

“We literally had travel arrangements for, I think, half of the vendors in Michigan.”

Shop owners clerks at hotels. I don't think anybody could have got food up and down the interstate in the middle of Michigan because they were all coming to North Virginia for trial. We produced the mannequin and we asked the medical examiner to use knitting needles and we intended to use this

of trial to demonstrate all of the wounds. It not only shows just the incredible sheer number of

stab wounds in this area, but it does clearly show that Angel sustained defense at wounds. A demonstration like that is so effective with the jury. It shows the level of violence of what they call overkill. The family has waited three years to hear David Hosha on the stand to see all the proof.

all of that Hosha surprises them all. David Hosha pleaded guilty to capital murder and first

“to remurter he was originally scheduled for a jury trial next week. A guilty plea, no trial and suddenly”

it's over. Detective Rick Malban is excited. He finally got his guy. He pled guilty. He's getting ready to call of Amanda and deliver what he thinks is great news. He was not expecting this reaction. I was shocked. I couldn't even handle it. I said things the Rick that I shouldn't have said, but he deserved to go to trial. He deserved to have the whole laundry, all the truth out. To set her family free to give her that family, the truth,

all everything. Accepting a plea agreement for two life sentences, first to remurter. David

had to stand before the Goyanas, the victims loved ones, and he had to admit to killing Angel Invanda. He made a very long, very bizarre statement. He then went on to lecture every participant in the court process. I want to see shem on you detective Malban for his actions. The Lord God Almighty does not like people to be full of pride of themselves. I pray that you lose that pride for it's too late. Every word that came out of David's mouth in court just made me angry. Just

to see him to see words coming from his mouth. Today for the sake of my family, I'm pleading guilty to this horrific crime, putting their needs in their desires ahead of my own. He said he pleaded

“guilty for his family. Do you think that was for you and your children? I think he lied. He didn't take”

this deal for his family because he knew I wanted him to go and try out. He murdered him. He doesn't deserve to be alive. I'm sorry. Might be harsh. What's the truth? Two life sentences. I think it's what he got. He is an eligible for parole. He's going to rock better. Would you forgive

somebody to kill your mom and sister? I won't. The family's most basic question is never answered

in court and that is why did he do it? So this is really the first time you're talking about the fraud and individually. After all these years, I still think about her. I have a tattoo of two butterflies. It's just a reminder. It's always there. It's something I can see every day know that she's there, even if she's not. Remember to avoid the death penalty. David Hoshah had to admit that he killed Vonda and Angel, but he didn't have to say why. And he hasn't.

Until now. David Hoshah agreed to interview with me over the phone since he is in a high-security prison facility. David tells me that night he went to Angel's house to simply break up with her

“at one in the morning. How are you thinking the night would have played out?”

I would tell her if there was someone else that he's a thing for over and I would just go back to here. But he doesn't quite work that way. David claims that when he told Angel that was over, there were tears and raises voices. There were tears and raises voices. Yeah, it was like an impulse. And when I started, it just kept going. I just couldn't stop. You have one minute remaining. And his second victim? He says Vonda tried to stop him.

I can't say what it had. And so I've chosen to kind of knock it back. I mean, I thought of a hell. You know, I was got so lucky. He made himself out to be a guy that was a terrific man. He's at Boy Scope, Engineer. I mean, he takes care of his sons. I mean, they're for them and they need it. In a way, David Hosha left two kinds of victims. The ones he killed

It should have been me and it wasn't. Why? That monster. I was married to that monster. The ripple effect of grief that family's experience and loved ones experience in cases like this, it goes through generations. He lied and he, you know, got me into the circle.

He got rid of her murders her because, basically, of me. I'm feeling horrible for them.

I hate, you know, I hate him. It's like a lot of hate. So what are you doing with it?

“The corner noted something in their report. The only thing Angel Goyena was wearing when she died”

was a medallion. I have dreamed of a night in shining armor. Don't laugh, but I've kept a medallion of the golden silver of a night upon a steed for the day I meet him. I had an old

mentor told me you can always see the soul of your victim reflected in the eyes of those who love them.

And on the fourth of July, it's kind of hard day to remember, you know, because that's the weekend this all happened. For brother remembers a moment, long after the murders, when he went by the house. This girl laughed at me, but I saw my sister, my mom and my sister stayed and he had a look at me. And they were there and they were smiling and I looked back and they were

“gone. But I know that I saw. Probably remember that. I think I am at peace. I know I am at peace.”

It's taken me years to get to this place. I just think of them very fondly. My mom's incredible

sense of humor and angel just got angelic as a gift to our family. What are you left with when someone dies? photographs, memories, for the Goyanas, angels and poems? The night with its endless realm of possibilities, what could last forever? Stars, scattered diamonds

“of the night. The stars watch and somewhat guy, choices and outcomes. But in the end,”

the stars watch us. That's my girl. That's my girl. I'm Scott Weinberger, investigative journalist and former deputy sheriff. I'm Anasegan Nikolazzi, former New York City Homicide Prosecutor. And we're back together with a brand new podcast. Homicide 360. It's a show that examines every angle.

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