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And it was on the same street I lived on. So it was a bike right away.

“I was about three blocks away from my house.”

And I saw a gentleman pull out in front of me. He grabbed my handlebars and had a gun. He told me to get off my bike and get on my knees. He told me if I did it, he would kill me. And he's sexually assaulted me.

It's the first thing that goes through your head.

It's why-- why me? Why didn't he murder me? She had her whole life ahead of her. And I was the one that survived. I had to relive it every day, 25 years.

And he did the same thing. Even worse to her. [ Music ] In August of 1996, Debbie Dorian had recently graduated from California State University of Fresno.

And it's Debo. Take half the heavy stuff. All right. Don't drop it. Don't drop it.

“She lived in the North Creek apartment complex,”

which is this four or five miles just north of campus. We had just finished our briefing that we usually had in the morning. I was told that there was a female that was found in her apartment. [ Music ] Peter Dorian, Debbie's father, and Debbie had made plans

that Debbie was to drive to Peter her father's house. Thursday, August of 22nd, she had planned to arrive around 7 a.m. [ Music ] She didn't show up. So after the brief amount of time, he went to her apartment.

Knocked on the door, rang the doorbell and received no answer. He then turned the door knob and pushed the door open. And it opened, which it shouldn't have, because his daughter Debbie was very security conscious.

It would never leave her door unlocked.

He went into the apartment, didn't see her in the living room or a dining area or a kitchen. And then went towards the back of the apartment. [ Music ] She was on, so he began to call for her and receive no answer.

He then began to look throughout the apartment and they found the most horrific site than any parent could encounter. And that was his daughter, Debbie Dorian Lines and the middle of her bedroom floor on the carpet on her side.

She was naked from the waist down. Her shirt was pulled up. Her ankles were duct taped. Her hands were duct taped behind her back. And she had duct taped completely covering

from the top of her head down to her jaw. You couldn't see her face, obviously. She was wouldn't have been able to breathe at all. Peter Dorian did what any parent would do. He thought if he tried to take off the duct taped, she would be able to breathe,

which was impossible. He immediately went to the her phone and her apartment. He found that the phone was unplugged. Try to plug it in, didn't seem to be working. He was very frantic.

Peter Dorian is in such a state of shock.

He actually calls his wife Debbie Stepmother first.

Go ahead, ma'am. My husband just called and went to his daughter's apartment.

“She didn't show any salary good in her apartment.”

I can tell you who she got her seen is. Her name is Deborah Dorian. And then Peter makes another devastating phone call to his ex. Debbie's mom Sarah Lovin. Well, he was just straight on with Deborah's been killed.

I ran screaming through the house. No, no, no, no, no. No. And that's all I could say was no, no, no. And it just feels like somebody took a great, big spoon and carved out your heart.

Debbie was working towards her degree in economics.

But she was also thinking about going to graduate school. When I spoke the Peter, he said that they were going to go to some other colleges to look at ideology programs because Debbie was looking at following and hurt her dad's footsteps to being in ideologies. That particular apartment complex was inhabited with numerous college students.

It's an area where that type of crime does not occur. Vince Savala spent 18 years with Fresno police and had just joined the California Bureau of Investigation before getting the call about Debbie Dorian's murder. This is where Debbie lived. It must have been crawling with investigators. Following with investigators, following with people who were worried.

You had crowds gathering. They were crowds, yes.

According to police, Debbie's dad found her body in her bedroom early this morning.

There was no forced entry that we could see. I didn't see major disturbance in the living room or kitchen area.

“August 1996, my dad was a scene criminalist and I remember going to the scene.”

It looked like she had just made a sandwich. So the sandwich was there with some Doritos. I also remember going into the kitchen. There was a bag of fruitless cereal that had been open. I kept it. It was ripped open.

A couple of things are possibilities. One, she knew this individual didn't let him in. Two, he displayed some kind of a weapon immediately. She complied with his commands to allow him into her residence. Obviously one of the things that does come to mind is whether or not it's a serial type of thing.

Mostly because of the sophistication of how she was taken. The corner determined Debbie's cause of death was due to suffocation. Because the duct tape had covered her entire head.

“The situation like this, the pathologist that did the examination he knew right off the bat,”

that he was going to do a sexual assault kit just because of the way she was found. There was seam and found on the victim, and then there was saliva sample that was found. And they came from the same source. They were the same individual. This profile was as soon as possible, uploaded into the national DNA database.

There was no hit. In 1996, I was a lieutenant in the Fresnel Police Department assigned as the public information officer. It was frustrating that we had DNA evidence, but we had no one to tie it to it. I knew it was a tough one. And so I immediately volunteered anything I could do to help them with that case before I took it over.

What made you think of this as tough? Because they were hitting brick walls left and right. It was a who'd done it. And those are the most difficult homicides to solve. But an eyewitness is about to offer a major clue.

He had seen an individual approach Debbie's store. A short conversation to the effect of how hard he is. There is some very people who meant to credit you out there. You're thinking, we have a murder on the list. You didn't know if, when and where he was going to strike again.

Despite you, Rich, advertising the Fresnel Beach classified. The traffic story of a young woman's wife that ended too early. Debbie's murder was immediately covered by air v. Television station, every radio station in the city, from Phage Beach. The Debbie Dorian case definitely stayed with me.

The horrific way that she was killed. And then the terrible impact on her family. And especially her father. Debbie's dad found her body in her bedroom early this morning. Just a thought of him finding her like that.

And bad news is they say spreads like wildfire.

“Just as the whole town is hit by the news of Debbie Dorian's murder, her childhood friends,”

Katina and Heather are learning about it too. I heard it on news. It showed her apartment and they gave her name. Family members and neighbors say Debbie Dorian, a Fresnel state student, worked hard and had plans to specialize in audiology.

And I couldn't believe it, so I immediately called Katina. And she goes, something's happened to Debbie. I said Debbie who. Because it wasn't registering with me. And she goes Debbie, your Debbie.

And she said Debbie's been murdered. And I slammed the phone down and I lost control. The fear triggered by Debbie Dorian's murder was felt throughout the entire city of Fresnel. But the hardest hit right here in and around the campus of Fresnel State were her fellow students

“who were left not just grieving her loss, but grappling with their own fears for their safety.”

There was a bubble around Fresnel State, you know, and a hush and people were whispering. And there was a lot of fear. That's about that time blue light started going up. I mean, just they awareness started going up about not walking to your car by yourself. You know, just all the things that we tell people today just started being said right about that time.

It struck fear into Fresnel. Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. Your parents were worried and everything. Fresnel is a sleepy little farm tam.

Fresnel is located in the heart of California. You know, we like to say that we have, we're a big city, but we have a small town feel. Not only is the temperature nice and warm in the summers, but people are wonderful here. And we have sort of a farming mentality. And if you're not in Ag, you know somebody that's an Ag.

We produce more agriculture in Fresnel County than anyone else in the world. But we also pride ourselves on just that community feel. We really have such a sense of family that we, we feel that, you know, Debbie was not only the Dorian's child, but she was Fresnel's child too. It was frightening to think that, um, that this could happen to Debbie because if it could happen to Debbie Dorian, it could have happened to any of us. Hi, you're a chair guys.

She's the daughter that so many people have that you are afraid to let go to college because you didn't want anything bad to happen to her. She had a really bubbly personality. Yeah.

Always ready for a joke and a laugh.

Rolta and Deb, Rolta. Yeah, she was a big people person. We hung out at each other's houses a lot. A lot, a lot of girl talk, we go to the movies. We would cruise, we'd drive, we'd gas.

What was on the radio? I think it was C&C music factory. Maybe curl dam, curl dam, motley crew. Guns and roses. Guns and roses.

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She sounds like the golden girl. Yeah. There literally is not a day that goes by that I don't think about her.

We tried to determine basically whether lifestyles like whether or not she hung around with people who might cause or have some kind of dealings that would cause just to happen.

We formed a timeline of Debbie's actions prior to her murder. Debbie was killed between roughly 12 and 4 o'clock in the afternoon on August the 20th, 1996. One of Debbie's neighbors did report that he had seen an individual approach Debbie's store. And he noticed the individual because he didn't recognize. I mean, it wasn't somebody that was normally in the area.

There appeared to be a short conversation, something to the effect, "Oh, hi, how are you?" And that's all he saw. But nobody knew who it was. They only had a description of being a white male, a certain age and height. With no obvious signs of forced entry, detectives quickly turn their attention to any white males that Debbie knows, including her boyfriend, John Thomas.

I know he would be a suspect. I mean, it's obvious the first people they look at are people that they care about and they're close to.

There's always that side of you that says, "Well, if he wasn't involved, he's going through some traumatic experiences right now."

“But as your job is, you have to interview him.”

My name is John Thomas.

Debbie was very outgoing, very extroverted, fun to be around.

“I was doing contract work for the U.S. Forest Service North Easter Fresnel.”

I left town approximately a week before she was murdered. Since a sexual assault was involved in this murder, we had to ask John Thomas some tough, sexually related questions. You actually get angry because, and I know why they're asking the questions, but it's almost like a character of assassination.

It's hard to hear things set about this person that you love that's been murdered. We were able to determine that John Thomas, the time of Debbie's murder, was assigned to fighting a fire in Northern California. I asked for a DNA sample from John Thomas, and he voluntarily provided work. He was eliminated as being a donor of the DNA.

The last time I saw her was ten days before she was killed. What's John's graduation? She'd had her hair done in a new outfit, and she was beautiful. That would be the last video tape of her, and maybe some of the last pictures taken of her. It's hard to look at him today still, so.

John Thomas is fully cooperating and able to offer investigators critical information about Debbie in the weeks leading up to her murder.

Turns out, Debbie had been looking for a roommate. That's in up a really big red flag. She put ads and flyers up, which was pretty typical. Make a couple of people fall through, so I don't think that could be stressful.

“I think she was getting desperate. She needed to get some finances so that she could pay her bills.”

She needed somebody soon. Could it be that someone who had come to visit her apartment did this? That became something that concerned us. She had some paper on her dining table with names on it. A list of prospective remates becomes a list of people of interest.

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A police spokesman says that apartment has killed attackers working full time on the Debbie Dory and Murder case. They had a tremendous amount of pressure because the police had very little to go on. It's not usually a one-time thing. Somebody doesn't commit a one-time horrendous crime. They commit it again.

And one lead jumps right to the top of the pile. Her search for a roommate. She had put ads in the paper, she had posted flyers at Fresno State. And she had a list of people's names on her table. Anytime you have a list of people that you believe have had recent contact with the victim,

those people are going to be persons of interest.

“A few of the names I remember specifically, one was Alvin.”

One was Laura and one was Nick or Rick. There was a person named Alvin who could actually make contact with her and the person. Alvin called the police department after he heard the news and said, hey, you know, I was supposed to run a room from the girl that was murdered. I was at the apartment. He had provided a deposit and signed an agreement with Debbie to take the room.

He hadn't received a key yet.

Alvin is black in his early 20s and over 6 feet tall.

“Detective Bush, he has the interview with Alvin.”

Where did you do any work there? I don't think so. I don't care about it anymore. I don't care about it anymore. We thought it was a little unusual as he would have a male roommate.

It was strange because he didn't rent a man. But I know how desperate she was to get a roommate. He's thinking about living with someone who's got a boyfriend. Actually, I thought Alvin's kind of doing weird. But I hadn't even got to go like, you know, it was a problem.

That's her phone number. A background was conducted and it was determined that he was a sex registrant in the state of California. That definitely sent some alarm bells going off in investigators' heads because of the circumstances around Debbie's death. That must have made you think, oh boy. Absolutely.

“And then he tells you something odd about going back to the apartment.”

He went back because he was concerned since Debbie didn't answer the door that maybe she was taking his money. I mean, talking about the door not really what that was, it was really nice. And I said to her, "I have to find real things." "He was going to find real things." Of course, this raises big questions.

He admits turning the door handle and finding it unlocked. But he says he doesn't enter. That statement must obstruct you as odd. Absolutely. So you're questioning Alvin about his alibi.

And he gives you another name. Yes. And that is Maurice. Alvin and Maurice Dixon worked at the same place. A business called Gross Reality.

They were friends at that time. Dixon at that time was 28 years old. He was an army veteran. He didn't have any criminal record. He transported Alvin to Debbie Dorian's apartment on several occasions.

And on some of those occasions, he accompanied Alvin to the front door of Debbie Dorian.

I'll ever be never entered.

Never met Debbie Dorian. Never been inside a apartment. And as I recall, never really had a conversation with her. So you've never seen this girl when she looked like. I never talked to her.

No, I'm not from good. I'll start happening at first. You know, I never seen a, just heard a voice on the phone. And then recently, we were talking about having seen a picture on the head. There in the interview, he'd stuck to the story that he'd never met Debbie.

We started getting into some of his sexual background. He said that the only duct tape he ever had was for a punching bag that he had at his home. That was a little suspicious to us that he would volunteer that kind of information. He wasn't told. We were looking specifically at duct tape that we were only looking at bondage type of things.

Dixon says he had been asked specifically about duct tape in an interview with another detective, which is why he brought it up.

“What made you mention when somebody mentioned a duct tape or something like that?”

Do you have a duct tape or do you have a duct tape or something like that? Who was it? One of them is the first thing to question. But investigators, eyebrows are officially raised. We're able to get consent of searches home.

From the point to bag that he used, he had duct tape around it. But didn't match up with the duct tape that was used on Debbie's body or that was located on Debbie's body. The DNA from Debbie's body was compared to Elvim and he was excluded as being the contributor to that DNA. Elvim is eliminated. More mistakes in sample was also submitted to see if we could exclude and he could not be excluded.

It didn't add up because he said he'd never been in her apartment.

So the fact that he said that and that the DNA, at least had a preliminary match, I think everyone thought he wasn't telling the truth. The investigation is that you were the one that did this. As a result of that test, Marie Stixon was arrested and charged with the murder of Debbie Dorian. When Dixon arrived home from work, undercover officers swooped in and he was arrested with his hands up right in the middle of the street.

I think the feeling was that the case had been solved.

Most people thought it was over.

“I think it's great. Hopefully it's the right person.”

But this case is far from over as investigators keep digging. They're about to get a big surprise. It's a surprise to the police, to the media, to everyone you could think of. Police, you understand something? Okay, you're under arrest. The arrest was made in the death of Deborah Dorian.

Police out of nowhere, you know, they made this arrest of a man named Marie Stixon who had gone to the apartment with his friend who was responding to Debbie and her advertising for a roommate. Residents were shocked that he is charged with Dorian's murder. Yeah, very surprised. Yeah, this is quite an everyday experience.

“I'm like that. And like I said, can we especially come from him?”

Now Dixon's arrest comes just one year after the O.J. Simpson verdict, the so-called trial of the century. It was a vote of not guilty for O.J. Simpson and a vote of no confidence in the L.A.P.D. At the time, the general public, especially in California, was more aware of DNA, but there was also more scrutiny of police investigations. Well, actually, I don't want to go into race, but just knowing the background of a black man and society being arrested. And the scared feeling that our family had, with Marie's actually been in the system. I mean, really brought a lot of anguish to our family.

There was a lot of racialized tensions in the air at that time. O.J. Simpson's verdict had just come in. That came on the heels of Rodney King. What did the people of South Central LA, that 30-hour rampage was more revolt than riot? There was a lot of pointing fingers, but the police had reason to be looking at Marie. Oh, I definitely think there was a reason to look at him. He had been there in a very close proximity to the time that she was last heard from.

And so, you know, he was definitely somebody that was on the list. Marie's sticks and walked into court shackled at the hands and feet. After Marie's sticks and was arranged, please continue to investigate. So, one of the things they did was conduct a more sophisticated DNA test.

“You have to remember, at that time, DNA technology was changing rapidly.”

Investigators initially relied on one test that compared six markers, but were about to start using a more precise test, looking at 13 markers, similar to what labs used today. It was a matter of weeks between the first test and the second DNA test, the more discriminated one.

That second, more powerful test reveals the DNA from the debitorion crime scene does not match Marie Stixon.

He is cleared and all charges are dropped. Marie Stixon had been in custody for a little more than two weeks. Tonight, he is free, and the investigation into the debitorion murder case returned to square one. The fact that that DNA did not match, things are surprised to the police, to Debbie's family, to the community, to everyone you could think of, except for Marie Stixon. Because he knew he didn't do it. Right now, we don't want to comment anything at this time, which is happy that he's being released.

So after Marie Stixon was released from jail, I interviewed him. He told us that he was living with the shadow over his life, that there was this error of suspicion around him. He was intentionally facing the death penalty for a crime he didn't commit. People, you know, stirred me in, of like, you know, accusing me, but not knowing, you know, the full details of what happened. I totally understand his feelings, understand the family's feelings, but it was all part of my investigation.

We know that there's someone out there that have committed this crime, and basically the city is afraid again.

We know it's hard on her family also, because they have to go through it again, waiting to see who they may arrest. I just, okay, we're back to square one. We need to rethink this. I work with the children, and I didn't want to be emotionally upset when I'm working with children. So for my lunch breaks, I go and cry for 20 minutes, and then I come back and we're okay for a while.

Our future has been taken away. We will not see a wedding. We will not see grandchildren. She will not get to have a life. The one thing we can do, and the one thing we strive to do, is to get the person who did this. Every time something like this happens, it's like pulling the scab off a wound. Peter Dorian, her father, was very committed to keeping the case in the mind of the community,

and the mind of the media. I would hope that a person would have the morality to come forward if they know something just because they want to help. Or they feel maybe a little guilt about something. We put flyers everywhere. We put them all around Fresno State. We put them in all the businesses that Governor's reward was 50,000. Then our family reward was 10,000. It was quite a big reward.

I can't live with myself unless we've done everything we can do to help solve the crime.

“He was very active at first. I think it became so overwhelming that it just hurt too much to keep going.”

And so he decided he would retreat. I remember receiving a telephone call from Peter, and he told me he says, "Vency says I can't do it anymore. So forever be in my heart, but I cannot hold out hope any longer." But Debbie's mom Sarah pushes forward, holding investigator Vince Savala to a promise.

I made a commitment to her. I would never quit, and she asked me, "What about when you retire?"

I said, "Well, I won't retire." I won't retire until I saw that. I've been a law enforcement officer for a little over 40 years, and I've farmed all those 40 years in addition to working. With a cold case, you pour your heart and your soul into it, and all the time you have, and hopefully you saw the case. It entails a lot of patience, just like farming.

“No matter what you're doing, you have to continue to farm, or all the time will be for nothing.”

So if I had to come out at night and work on the case during the day, I'd come out at night. Vince Savala is the man you want on your side, and when he gets a hold of something, he doesn't let it go.

Sarah often said that solving Debbie's murder was like a million piece puzzle.

If you keep putting one piece together, two pieces together, three pieces, you're eventually going to get a picture of who murdered your daughter. And some of those pieces are about to fall into place. Fresno Police are looking for a Caucasian male in his late 20s, early 30s. Thanks to a string of terrifying attacks, just an hour from Fresno. We feel he's a predator, he could strike at any time.

This was a person who was repeating. And then the break investigators have been waiting for him. This guy is still around. We've got a shot at getting this guy down. So this case became personal events of all of it. He was determined to find Debbie's killer. Some of the investigators on this case continue doggedly to work on it.

That's Fresno, you know the Fresno PD never gave up.

“You know how frustrating it must be for them to just wake up every day and not know who did it, why did they do it, how did they do it?”

Were there moments where you lost hope of solving the crime? I never lost hope. I always had faith, but there were many, many times I was frustrated. It stayed with the department, stayed with me, even to this day. There was this desire to solve the case. But we needed evidence.

Our investigation of the murder of Debbie Dorian focused basically on the Fresno area. Then I received a telephone call from our Fresno Regional Laboratory. And it was told that there was a DNA case to case hit. Remember, the DNA from Debbie's case is already in that national DNA database, Codas. And now finally, after six years, another case is a match.

There was a lead where the DNA in Debbie's case matched suspect DNA in a sexual assault in Visalia.

So in July 1999, there was a sexual assault occurred on the South side of Visalia. Over the period of the next three years, several other similar crimes occurred in Visalia.

“I believe these crimes were committed by the same suspect.”

In each of those cases the suspect was described as a white male adult. In his 30s generally, from five six to maybe close to about six foot, medium sized build. So his M.O. would be that he'd find young woman, late teens early 20s. He'd find her alone. He produced the gun and told him that he'd shoot him if they didn't do what he said. He was described as either wearing a bandana or was face or he was wearing a hoodie with the hood pulled up over his face.

The victim's describing was wearing black pants and black shoes, which eventually lead us to think that maybe he was involved in the restaurant business. Police aren't able to collect physical evidence from every assault, but in one case, they get lucky.

Collecting DNA from the suspect that will become the critical puzzle piece linking these assaults to Debbie Dorian's murder.

Jane Doe, number one, was writing her bike home from work, a man approached her with a gun. Tells her to get on her knees, bottles were under her clothing. She was able to show investigators where this sexual assault took place, so they were able to collect DNA from that area. And now they know that whoever left that DNA is also the person who murdered Debbie Dorian. They just don't know who it is. They brought it to a whole new level because now we got a guy that is running around in the bicelli area that is killed before.

It gets everybody's attention. Once I heard of the case case yet, I was so excited I jumped in my car and immediately went to bicellium. This guy is still around. We've got a shot at getting this guy now. Working together, the team in Fresno and Bicellia conduct background checks, interviews, they collect and test well over 100 DNA samples. But they just can't seem to hit their mark.

They were chasing what seemed like a ghost and the clock was ticking. Once we had exhausted our leads in Bicellia, we were desperate.

You never know when he's going to get there to hit again. You never know if he's going to escalate or where he's going to go back to something else.

He could strike it any at any time.

“There were times I couldn't sleep at night because what can we do?”

So as the years go by, I said, you know what we have to preserve the cases that we have. You know, statual limitations on sex rights was 10 years in California and we were approaching the 10-year mark. So the clock is running out. The prosecutors decide, well, we have the DNA. We have a commonality. We can identify this DNA profile. We just don't have a name. We just don't have a name.

Lieutenant Peter wrote a John Doe Warren for the DNA profile. And that was very instrumental because what it did was preserve the statute of limitations. The warrant officially stops the clock on the statute of limitations. It's the first of its kind in the county, say authorities, buying the team more time to find their John Doe. We knew that if we could find this person that we really had him, which was a big part of the puzzle.

A puzzle that's about to get some help from an unlikely source, a serial killer. I'm sure that detectives back then couldn't imagine this, it's crazy. I really felt this was going to crack the case. A killer with decades-old secrets is in their sights. You're sorry, but we got to check all the boxes off.

And the victim, the survivor, who promised to take her attacker down. All I remember saying is, "I'm going to get you." You're not going to go away?

“What went through your head when you realized the man who assaulted you is also charged with murdering somebody?”

Why did you murder me? Debbie's dad found her body in her bedroom early this morning. It could happen to Debbie Dorian, it could have happened to anyone.

This case is often referred to as a million piece puzzle.

This is just a sample, right? This is a fraction of what was collected trace evidence, fibers, fingerprints. We have to find this monster out there. Have you ever seen that girl, no one? You don't know her? On the surface, he did seem like you're next door neighbor.

His alter ego, next steal, online, more of a fantasy.

It was crazy, it was crazy.

Her name was Debbie Dorian, you didn't kill it. Here's this bogey man of your nightmares. And yet everyone described him as the guy who could be your neighbor. Who was your neighbor? I hope we do catch the guy.

In a sunny California in summer, one family's home is unusually quiet. When detectives walked into that house, they said that it was like time just stood still. It's 2010 and the McStay family is nowhere to be found. Inside the home, no clear answer where the family could have gone. Has been wife and two children gone, like, puff disappeared.

The search for the McStays quickly captures the nation. But for years, the search for answers only brings more questions.

“Who's ever heard of an entire family going this way?”

A family of four doesn't just drop off the face of the earth with no contact.

Is this a family on the run?

Or is the truth far more sinister? For maybe see audio in 2020, this is what happened to the McStays. Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or your favorite podcast app. Or subscribe to 2020 True Crime Plus on Apple Podcasts to listen early and add free. Our hometown is not a test to 90 miles northeast of Nashville,

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Guess you didn't move in on a bunch of dumb hillbillies now, did you? Listen to our town on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here in this quiet city of Visalia, nestled in the Sierra Nevada's, the same man who brutally murdered 22-year-old Debbie Dorian. He begins a brazen string of sexual assaults against other women.

“One of them is attacked, riding her bike home from work.”

One tries to escape the predator by cutting through a field. And another, just a high school student at the time, attacked as she was walking home from school. Another is assaulted here while waiting for a bus. All of these women's identities have been shielded from the public by law enforcement.

Each of them referred to simply as Jane Doe.

But tonight, for the first time, one of these brave survivors is stepping out of the shadows.

We're rolling. You were Jane Doe number one for many years. Yeah. But you're comfortable now with saying, at least your first name. Please, my first name, yeah.

And you're comfortable going on camera. I wasn't for a long time. And when we sat down for her first interview, she told us she was ready to reclaim her voice. Taking back what she says was stolen from her

at just 19 years old when she moved to the Central Valley of California. It was your love of horses that drew you here. Yes. You kind of had your future mapped out in your head. I wanted to be a horse trader.

And you were an independent young woman. Yes. Where thought? And then you're writing your bike's home from work one day. I was about three blocks away from my house.

And I saw a gentleman pull out of a street. It was 10, 30 at night. There was nobody on the road. He grabbed my handlebars and had a gun. And you saw the gun.

Yeah. Told me to get off of my bike and get on my knees. He told me if I did it, he would kill me. And I believed him. I was 19.

You have a gun to your head. You do what you're told.

“And the whole time, all I remember saying is,”

I'm going to get you. You're not going to go away with him. That's feisty. Yeah. With a gun pointed at you.

I don't know what else to do. Beth says the man concealed his face. She could only see his eyes in the dark. She was sexually assaulted. And then she says the man fled.

He told me to stay where I am. Compt attend and turn around and go home. If I turned around or I tried to come and find him, he knew where I lived and he would kill me. He told you he knew where he lived.

That is so frightening. By the time I got to my apartment, I threw my bike on the grass called my sister. About a minute later, four detectives in police

Jane Doe had the presence of mine to quickly report.

“Porting troll officers were able to quickly locate the crime scene”

and collect the DNA evidence. And then over the course of the next three years, we had another three different crimes, all of similar MO.

It really wasn't until maybe the third or the fourth crime

that we realized we had the same suspect that we had a pattern. The DNA collected in Beth's case is compared to other crimes in the national criminal database called Codas. And that's when things take an unexpected turn. That case to case hit.

Wherever left the DNA at Debbie Dorian's crime scene, committed that sexual assault. Knowing he was in the bicelli area, was the first big boost we had since the murder of Debbie Dorian. What went through your head when you realized the man who assaulted you is also charged with murdering somebody?

Why didn't he murder me?

“That's the first thing that came into my head.”

Because I asked when the murder was in the '96s. And mine was '90s. Why do you think you survived? God only knows, I don't know. And as the years clicked by.

I'd go get a phone call every five years or so, saying my case is still open and they're like, "Okay, well, thanks for the call and that was it."

But thought that we would never catch a sky was not something I wanted to live with.

You know, for the victims in Bicellia, and then for Dorian family, it's something that I want to do. Everything in my power to find a sky. Sorry, I'm getting emotional. The string of attacks on women seems to suddenly end,

but even though the perpetrator appears to have stopped, Vince Sevalla won't. In the Debedorian case, we had over 286 pieces of evidence submitted for analyzeation. Delegate moved up the ranks,

and eventually became the director for the entire Fresno Regional Laboratory. Whenever I needed help pushing evidence through, I would call Delegate. He was very persistent.

He would bring additional references, maybe registered sex event in your cases, it sort of looks similar. We collected DNA from over 146 individuals and compared to evidence left at Debedorian's crime scene. 146 DNA tests, and that's on top of the mountain of evidence,

Vince has collected throughout the years, and shared with new detectives who would join the case. This is just a sample, right? This is a fraction of what was collected at the evidence warehouse.

It's just shelf upon shelf of evidence. In 2018, after nearly two decades of investigating, this now very cold case is about to heat up, thanks to the arrest of another serial predator. We have identified Joseph James DeAngelo as a sole suspect

in the Viceroyer Ransacker Crime Series. The Viceroyer Ransacker case was really kind of criminal law throughout Viceroyer throughout my entire career. Ultimately, that entire case would become the Golden State Killer. We begin with that bombshell arrest.

They say cutting edge DNA testing allowed them to make a match. I heard like everyone else, and then a fuck came to my mind. Why couldn't we use the same DNA technology

“used to capture the Golden State Killer on Debbie Dorian's homicide case?”

By say, the police department worked on that task force, and I knew a lot of those detectives. And that started the ball world. A very dear friend of mine who's the retired Sacramento County D.A.

Emory Schubert, who was just an essential part of

solving the Golden State Killer case. We found the needle in the haystack, and it was right here in Sacramento. She called me and said, "Hey, we need to come down to Fresno because this technology is amazing, I'll bring my staff." And so then we started to work together with them.

Sacramento County, their D.A.s office, gave us a blueprint how to move forward with this new investigative technique. They are able to come up with family members who are likely to be related to this suspect. You can build out essentially a family tree and then start investigating backwards

to see who were the relatives that could potentially be a suspect.

And Bell, it's starting to go off.

“Exactly, a witness had seen a suspicious male outside of Debbie's apartment”

on the day in question. And as I read that description, and I'm looking at the photograph of the suspect, I'm like, "This is our guy. This really is." The picture matched up to the descriptions I'm like Mark, it was like, "This is him." Now I can get seven to the rest of you, standby.

This is a pomegranate orchard. This is what I farm. I've been farming probably a good majority of my life. Farming is much like investigating cold cases. Because there's a lot of unknown, there's a lot of hard work,

and you don't know what you're going to end up with. You've got to be very patient, watch it grow, and hopefully you get through it. After nearly 40 years of being a detective and a farmer,

the time finally comes for Vince Zavala to retire from his day job.

But there is one unsolved case he can't let go of. It was tearing at your heart.

“Absolutely, but I made a promise to Sarah.”

When I retired, I talked to Chief Dyer because we were friends. I realized as a police chief, there's more than I can do, and it's bring them back. He allowed me to come back as a reserve police officer, which gave me police officer powers when I was on duty,

and that was important. But no police officer pay. At the moment, I didn't want to be paid. With that genetic genealogy DNA match in hand, Vince was more hopeful than ever,

that his years of investigative work were about to bear fruits. Probably the best lead we've had in over 20 years. This could very well be our guide. They are able to take this genealogical DNA,

and ultimately, they came up with a name.

Nicky Duane's staying. The married had a couple of kids. His work history was very solid. No criminal past that we could see. This is a normal guide, but then you think,

"Well, a normal guide could have committed this."

“That's why we haven't been able to find it.”

He was living in Pacellia in the city. He raised his kids, was at the PTA. His focus was the family. And he did work for her charity organizations. Now that detectives have a name,

they want to talk to this guy. They discovered that he's been divorced and working at a food court in the local mall. Turns out that early hunch that their suspects may work in the restaurant business a spot on.

We were all hands on debt. Let's do what we got to do. Let's get a DNA sample from them. Our primary mission was to look for anything that he would publicly discard

that we could obtain a DNA profile from. So we thought a trash run might be the best opportunity. My partner and I dressed down in plain clothes, but on a vest as if we were a part of solid waste, and we'd remove the trash cans from the street

and replaced them with the empty trash cans. It's called a "surftitious trash dump" because once he throws it away outside on the street, it's free game. We found male razor blades that appeared used

and were discarded, and so we sent that up to be tested to see if it had any DNA on it. I was excited, but I'd been excited before. So that kept me from totally jumping in. But two weeks later, his phone rings.

I was at home. It was the middle of the day. I put it on speakerphone. I said, "Hey, Vince, you got to sit down because I have news."

We got the guy, it's him. (soft music) My wife was close to me. Once she heard it, she cried. (soft music)

So did I. (soft music) As I've gotten older, I've gotten more emotional. I'm pretty old now. (soft music)

It was good.

It was like a lot of years of work.

Nicky Stain was our 147th individual

“who we obtained a DNA sample from for comparison.”

And he was the match. (soft music) Okay, you're good. We're out of the car. Our next stop is that shopping mall in Visalia

to surprise Nicky Stain with a visit. There's a couple of customers, Chris. You don't feel comfortable with me. Yeah. We're just waiting back in.

And they're off. (soft music) I don't see it already. We're talking more about it. We went to his workplace asking for him.

(soft music) Hi, I'm Mr. Stain. My name is Vince Zavala. This Bob showed us. We're doing some grunt work here.

We're looking into a matter that happened a while ago. Take five minutes. Okay. That's fine. We begin to ask them some questions.

Have you ever seen that girl? Nope.

“No, you've never committed any violence against her.”

I haven't committed any. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how to. Yeah.

So if you've never committed violence against anybody,

no, no violence against anybody. But Vince hasn't waited this long and come this far to take no for an answer. Your name was Debbie Gorient. She was found murder.

You didn't kill her, you think? No. No. Nicky Stain denied knowing Debbie. Your during our conversation with Nicky Stain.

I told him I said look. We've been asking everybody we talked to. If they were voluntarily. Give us an oral swab. To compare to Evan.

That's at the scene. But if you haven't been there, I mean, you know, it's just got a bunch of things. Yeah. It sounds like I don't know this.

It was like, you know what I want to do there. Stain refuses to turn over his DNA. And the interview seems to come to an end. We thanked him for his time. As we were walking, Nicky Stain stops.

He looks me in the eye. Maybe he says. Yeah, I hope we do catch the guy and thank you. Have a good day. We had the rest team standing by the exterior door.

She was 277 to the arrest team stand by. Where he was going to have to reenter the mall back to his place of work. That's fine. Nicky Stain. I can't run your boat.

Throw on me. Five seconds later. He was.

He was ultimately arrested at that time on the sexual assaults

from the Viceroy cases. He left the monitor shortly after Nicky Stain was handcuffed. I made a telephone call to Sarah. He called me and he says, we actually have him. We have him in custody.

And I said, really? Really? This is really something. Yeah, call on my friends. Call everybody.

Guess what? Guess what? Yeah. It's really happening. You haven't seen this?

As police begin talking to Nicky Stain, they're about to discover that he is anything but the guy next door. If you have my phone, you'll be able to see that because it has like 400 videos on it.

Thuroma. After Nicky Stain is arrested for the sexual assaults in Viceroya, he's brought into the police department to be questioned. You wouldn't have seen this year. Okay.

And to the surprise of detectives, he seems to have a lot to say. Nick, do you know what you're here today? Yeah, I do know where I'm here. From the beginning of the interview, he knew why he was there for the Viceroy cases.

And we just let him talk. I know I've done a couple things that here I saw you that I shouldn't have done. So when you say couple things in Viceroya,

“what are the couple things that you're talking about?”

Oh, there's a couple of times that I approached when in that out in the street that you know and stuff and cohorts something to having something oral. Those are things I shouldn't have done. I guess they're well?

Yes. Detectives then walk Nicky Stain through each of the sexual assaults he's accused of. Sussex pulled sweatshirt overseas and then placed hand in hand in her side.

He has spread the victim and can steal their location behind some bushes. Request from victim unbuttoner, sure. That might happen. I think that one happens. If she was standing in a low wing in the catcher bus,

Sussex approached a victim. Sussex told a victim not to run or she would kill her. I'd say that sounds like me, but I don't think that was me.

when the her question about a crime is like,

"Well, I don't know, but it sounds like me." Do you recall what you wore during those? I recall wearing a hoodie. This will sometimes happen.

“With my demeanor, I think really brought some comfort to him”

to really open up about our sexual assault cases. So, you know, I kind of like had some bad things that go on in my life. And I could say that I've had a problem with good, I guess, sex or sex addiction.

If you have my phone, you'll be able to see that because it has like 400 videos on it. It'll probably have 100 different women. During my interview, he did mention that he began sleeping with prostitutes,

starting in high school, all the way up until his arrest.

I had so many encounters with women. You know what I'm talking about? Like, pay for encounters, or this or that, or like, search for it and let them in an all-night thing or no. We're doing something.

He did brag, seemed proud about his sexual permiscuity with prostitutes. My single guy for the last two years, I think,

“like, but really the only women that pay me any attention are the younger ones.”

He was happy to talk about himself and all the sexual things that he had done in his past. It was crazy. It was crazy. I don't really think that hiring a escort or having a sugar baby or anything like that.

I personally don't think that that's a wrong thing.

We talked about his bedroom looking similar to 50 shades of gray. Oh, my God. I had saw pictures of the types of room dark rooms. I'm the internet. I said, I want me to paint it that way.

Now everybody, you see this. I'll be right next day. When they did the search and he had these silk robes in his closet and sex toys. During our investigation, we learned that Nikki Stone was operating air B&B operation out of his home.

“He would also rip rooms out to younger females.”

He talked about providing for these young females. Investigators also find what appears to be a fake Facebook profile where Nikki Stone calls himself Nick Steele and claims to be chairman of a Fortune 500 company. His alter ego, Nick Steele.

Yes. Online pointed in a different direction. Yes. I think more of a fantasy. He also posted videos of himself on that Facebook page going out to party.

Okay, I'm going out tonight. Was he sort of baiting women online? Oh, I don't believe so. I think it was more about this as me. I capable of this.

I'm so attractive. I'm so, you know, I and my prowess is such that, you know, these things happen in my life. During our search warrant at his residence, we located that he had a Wal-Plug camera in one of the roommate's bathrooms that was associated to a younger female.

There were also allegations of peeping tunnels. It's kind of a voyeurism, obviously. And then it steps into inappropriate actions. Inappropriate actions that land Nikki Steele with a misdemeanor peeping charge. Steele pleats not guilty to the charge, which is eventually dropped.

He definitely had some sexual deviances. But as Nikki Steele's defense attorney points out, sexual deviance doesn't necessarily equate to murder. It was separating apart usually people move forward as far as the seriousness of their crimes. And so it was odd that there was this homicide. But then later there's peeping, tom, activity, and assaults.

The violence seemed to de-escalate, yes. And back in that interrogation room, when the conversation turns to Debbie Dorian's murder, Nikki Steele's not done talking yet. The detective's there today before you guys surrender to me. Keep running out of that interesting case. One that's, you know, it does shock me.

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“It was supposed to be the best year of their lives.”

Oh, it's dark. Someone for a drink right now. Until their friends started going missing. There's some thing going on. From executive producer Ryan Murphy,

and based on the best selling thriller by Brent Easton Ellis, House Terrifying. FX is the Shards, no streaming on Hulu. Let's go. When detectives show up at the mall to confront Nikki Stain at his workplace,

they ask him about Debbie Dorian.

He claims he's never seen her before.

Have you ever seen that girl? No. You don't know her? We did. But when they get them into the interrogation room,

he has a different story.

“The detective's there today before you guys arrested me.”

We brought up the interesting case. I was with that girl several times. Looks like that. Do work. Yes, I was.

So, you know, be honest with you. She was a picture-up on. On the end, the press on their own. The street is there at one time. You know, after I dropped her off,

I thought that was going to be the last time I seen her. Okay. And then she found her way to my workplace. You know, you know, other occasions. And that asked me if I, you know,

we want to do it again. He acknowledged that he didn't know Debbie, and that he had been to her apartment multiple times for sex.

“The stunning allegation that staying in Debbie had met”

for consensual sex is something prosecutors dispute. But his new defense team will now try to prove. Brian Pinto is the defense's lead investigator. I spent a lot of hours in the jail in the case. He's probably one of the most intelligent clients I've ever had.

But he's also one of the most complicated and mysterious. Brian attempted to track down co-workers and acquaintances from states past to back up his story. Did you have any verifiable evidence that they had met before or that this was consensual in any way?

A lot of people that he gave me that would potentially back that story up where people that he worked with that he only remembered first names. There was some evidence that she may have gone into his place of work. But, you know, we weren't able to really chase those folks down

because it was so long ago. There was nothing to support that she had come into contact with him in any other way it was completely concocted. After his police interview, Nikki Stain is booked, fingerprinted and now that he's under arrest has no choice but to turn over his DNA.

The authorities reach out to Beth,

who spent years as Jane Don #1 with the news she never expected to get.

They told me that they got him. See that again? It took me a couple of times for them to tell me that they got him and that there was going to be a press conference the next day. It was the last press conference that I held as a police chief.

So it meant the... it meant a lot to me. Nikki Dwayne Stain is the primary suspect in the rape and murder of Debbie Dorian. I locked myself in my room and I watched it.

And I bogged my eyes out. And all those emotions that came back hard. Nikki Stain is every woman's nightmare. And what did you mean by that? Nikki Stain looks like an average guy. He looks like a normal person.

He blends into the background. Yeah, he blends in. Almost 12,000 days of waiting, searching, hoping, disappointments and frustrations.

What this arrest has finished is the struggle to always be searching.

Nikki Stain is charged with four counts of sexual assault in the Viceria attacks and for the murder of Debbie Dorian. In 2020, the Fresno DA's office takes the lead on prosecuting the cases. Stain pleats not guilty to all the charges. I'm the City Hall and Courts reporter at ABC30 Action News here in Fresno.

It was definitely a big story to walk into as a 22-year-old just a few months out of college. Live at five, clear to proceed, Nikki Stain. The contrast between the two sides of this courtroom really could not have been any different. On the right side of this courtroom, you had Deborah Miller and Caitlin Drake, two very straight to the point senior deputy district attorneys.

And on the other side, you had Jane Bulger, somebody who really believes in defending her client

Jane was the defense attorney of the very first court case I ever covered.

“And at one point Jane had asked me how old I was and when I told her,”

she said, "Gabe, I have canceled her than you." It was the fall of 2023 when this preliminary hearing started, but in so many ways that courtroom went back to 1996. The judge orders that no civilian witnesses can be shown on camera. I put on the neighbor of who had seen the white male at Debbie's doorstep on that Tuesday.

He basically knocked on the door and it wasn't a computational kind of encounter, but she let him in. Nikki Stain matches the description, but makes you wonder whether or not the person that was seen in her apartment was Nikki Stain. One of the items of evidence that I presented was the list that was located at Debbie's apartment

on her kitchen table, which appeared to be a list of potential roommates.

And what does it say by number six?

By number six, it has an Amy Nick and then scratched out or Rick, you know, Seth will call Tuesday to 12 o'clock. We'll call Tuesday to 12 o'clock.

“What I believe happens is that Nikki Stain called Debbie”

on Tuesday, said I would like to come by and look at the apartment. She said sure gave him the address and he showed up on her doorstep. And she let him in. I put Peter Dorian on the stands. After years of not speaking publicly about his daughter's case,

Peter Dorian has to recount those horrible moments when he finds her in her apartment. What did you see when you entered Debbie's bedroom? She was lying on the floor. Was she moving? No.

Do anything else about Debbie that you know is that we're moving? What she's lying face up her mouth and those had been taped shut with some grey color tape so I prevented her from breathing. We had two of the sexual assault victims from Vicellia testifying at the preliminary hearing when you saw him in the courtroom.

Did anything register? The eyes and the voice. The eyes and the voice.

“You're always going to remember that voice.”

What went through your mind when you heard it? That's it. Holy crap, that's it. She was able to describe what happened to her in the courtroom in front of Nikki Stain. It was something to watch.

How dare you be able to go on living? Knowing what you did. That you've destroyed who knows how many people's lives. And you can continue your life like nothing happened. How dare you?

When prosecutors and the defense said that she was free to go, she just sat there and she whacked.

You could tell that she has never walked away from this.

That it has been with her every single day. And prosecutors have one more piece of evidence up their sleeve. Hello. You've called it from a correction facility. Recordings of Nikki Stain's phone calls from jail.

Hello. Hello. And Nikki Stain just keeps talking. This call is from a correction facility and is subject to monitoring and recording. Can you hear me?

During the preliminary hearing, prosecutors introduced calls that Nikki Stain made to family members while he was being held in the Tulare County jail. And on those calls, he doesn't hold back. He was hurt. I just know that he had a risk of my life.

One could say that the jailhouse phone calls were a sense of admission because there was no denials. But here in essence, you're proving guilty, my book. You know what you did without. We're going to say that you're answered until they prove otherwise, my opinion.

And so we had American works. I'm guilty. I'm guilty. You know, I did bad things. Are you in it building you those crime?

No, not really well. I was like involved in all of them. To ask that's an admission that he committed all of these crimes, including Debbie

Those revealing phone calls could be key evidence if the case proceeds to trial.

“But the defense insists that Nikki Stain never admitted to killing Debbie Dorian,”

including in that police interrogation. I did wrong, okay, and even the things that I did back, you know, here if I sell you that those things were on me forever. But the thing in Fresno there, I didn't know that that went down. I didn't know that happened.

I didn't do remorse for that or anything like that or anything because it didn't know that it happened. During the preliminary hearing, the defense was trying to attack the investigation, specifically with the arrest of Maurice Dixon initially and the DNA testing originally. Well, that's a mistake.

I'm not going to say it's a mistake, you know. You were finished to say that we're arresting the wrong man on the faulty lab work is a mistake. Did you get the wrong? He was eventually cleared. Yeah, so he was the wrong guy.

“But prosecutors maintain that the DNA evidence in this case tells the whole story.”

There was no other foreign DNA on Debbie's body. The only DNA located was Debbie Dorian's DNA and Nikki Duane Stain's DNA. When the preliminary hearing wraps up, the judge decides there is enough evidence for the case to proceed to trial. The defendant is held at the answer on whole chaos and charges. Prosecutors announced they're going to seek the death penalty.

But ultimately, Nikki Stain is ready to make a deal.

Nikki Stain's case was heading toward a jury trial early next year but now a possible deal with prosecutors. Just five weeks after the judge had set a trial date, we got word that Nikki Stain would be entering a change of plea. Stain's defense team had asked prosecutors if they would allow him to plead guilty to just the murder charge and dismiss the sexual assault charges.

I contacted the parents. Peter was on board because Nikki Stain would perceive life without the possibility of parole. And he did not want to have to testify a jury trial. Sarah Lovin had a different opinion. And she wanted him to admit and plead guilty to everything that he did.

And she wasn't the only one who felt that way.

“Why did you feel so strongly that you wanted those sexual assaults?”

Because those victims deserved to have him say I did this and I'm going to get sentenced for it. I'm going to be punished. It's right. And I am going to serve not just time for Debbie Dorian's murder but for the crimes I committed against you.

Ultimately Nikki Stain was willing to do that.

He didn't want to go forward to trial. The District Attorney's Office also agrees to forego the death penalty. He would serve life without the possibility of parole. People have a lot of legal skills to afford by Debbie Dorian. She's a high plea guilty.

Why plead guilty? To save his life. To save his life. I believe if we had gone to trial, I would easily have been a death penalty verdict. I just knew that because we're a motion driven.

It's almost impossible to be unbiased. We all have our biases. She was a attractive young woman. She was doing positive things in her life. Going to school.

Her life was just beginning. She had parents that loved and adored her. And I just was fairly certain that he would end up with the death sentence. The courtroom was full for Nikki Dwayne Stain's sentencing. We're coming six minutes now to session.

Get a little gesture of her. Jane Doe, number one, steps up to the podium and delivers her impact statement. With cameras carefully trained on her hands. My only change forever that day. I tried moving on.

I tried to forget to meet every man was him. I was always scared. I wish I was dead. I wish he did kill me. It would have been a lot better.

Than having these spots in my head. And in the last steps. It might play an over and over again in my head.

Your statement is incredibly powerful.

Hopefully it got through to him. That I wish he would suffer just as much as all of us did. I hope that he knows that I got him. That's it. Thank you.

And you also said you wanted to speak on behalf of other survivors.

And give voice to them.

“If anything comes to this, I would just hope that people will come forward.”

And people will get the help that they need. Because it took me a long time. But the final word spoken in that courtroom would stun everyone. It was a raw moment. I screamed and screamed.

Everything went dark. I knew my life was over. I wanted people to know that Deb was a real person. She was a beautiful baby and darling little girl. She went through all the things that children go through.

These are her ballet slippers. When she was five, these are her writing was. I just want people to know. She had these little hands. They felt things.

And they were sweet.

“We had weighted and searched for this letter for 28 years and 10 months.”

29 Christmas. And almost 29 birth dates. Sarah Lovin was the last to deliver an impact statement. She shared what she thought Debby would have wanted to say. Speaking in her daughter's voice.

I dreadn't understood in my body. I screamed and screamed. But he didn't stop. He wrapped my head in duct tape covering my mouth. I couldn't breathe.

Everything went dark.

I would never take a hike with John.

I love him my life. Spend time with my mom. I wouldn't have a wedding. I wouldn't be a beautiful bride. My dad wouldn't walk down the aisle.

“I knew my dad could break my mom's heart and change my dad forever.”

The pain that they sever is deeper than anyone can know. But he took my precious Deb. He did not take my soul. I am wiser and stronger than ever from having to go through this ordeal. He has the rest of his life to pay for what he did.

And he will pay for his evil actions.

It was a powerful statement.

It was a powerful and emotional moment for everyone in the courtroom. At this point, sir, you are a man in the custody for the country's share to begin serving your country. He no longer has the power. Whatever he wants for power is behind bars. To my dear events, you know how much this case has meant to us.

You know how many years it has taken and you've carried us all through this. And I love you. You're about to harvest pomegranates. What's that moment like? How fulfilling it must be?

It's exciting to see all the hard work come to fruition. You saw a dry, leafless bush, get leaves and now they're big, red and beautiful. It's like a cold case again. You put all that work into it and we'll see if there's a rainbow at the end of it. Finally having him behind bars must have been a real capstone to your career.

There were many capstones, but this is the one at the top. She was a precious person, pleave and loving and smart, and a wonderfully young lady.

A mother's never-ending love.

Debbie's mother Sarah did get to meet and hug that brave survivor Beth in court. As for Nikki Stain, David, his plea agreement included a provision that he forphets his right to appeal his conviction. That's our program for tonight. Thanks for watching. I'm Deborah Roberts.

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ESPN Fantasy Football is now the official fantasy game of the NFL.

“The 2026 fantasy football season is going to be the best one yet.”

With new app enhancements, including NFL highlights in the fantasy app. So you can track your team live every week.

“Get expert insights from our fantasy analysts and try our new knockout leads.”

Or the lowest scoring team is eliminated each week until one team remains. Download the ESPN Fantasy app for free today and sign up to play the number one fantasy game.