The Neighbor from Hell

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This neighborhood is called Whale Run. It's very small. It's just these two streets. Very family friendly. Lots of kids. Somebody's puppy. Go. Go back. Don't fall in the bus. That's a new puppy. So after school, you know, homework kids change out of their clothes. They come out here. They play. Go in for dinner. Come back out and play until it's time for bed.

Almost every day, we get knock on a door. Say, "Can you play? Can you play?" And come up with us. We would take walks, run around, and we used to play football. We did a lot of stuff. Normal kid things. You see the children outside playing, enjoying themselves.

Just being carefree. We were a close knit neighborhood. Mom's new each other because all the kids were at the bus out together at six, you know, something in the morning. So we all knew who's chow belong to who. All the children become over to my house because my house was indirectly across from the fields. So, you know, we were, there's a family neighborhood.

[Music] The vibe in this close little community shifts after Susan Lorenz, a new neighbor moves in. Susan Lorenz was involved in her church. She sang in the choir. She worked from home. She had two cats. She was somebody who probably just wanted to be left alone. And this is my apartment here.

When they're all here in the farm, it's really, we can hear it's loud, it's noisy, kids are not here. She just did not enjoy having kids around.

We've always proximity, just them being in her space.

[Music] She always wanted to argue with the kids, but she never wanted to talk to none of us adults. None of us. But it was like an ongoing situation. It seemed like Susan's main beef was with the children of the woman across the street, Ajika Owens, by all accounts to the neighbors she was the ideal mom.

Ajika was very strong-willed. She had a mind of her own always, but in a good way.

“And I think that kind of transcended down to her children as well.”

She was a manager for McDonald's for many years, and she was also being grown to be a GM. And at what point were you aware that she had a neighbor whom she found difficult? So she would tell me that there was a neighbor that was just basically harassing the children. My daughter told me that Susan had called the police. [Music]

I think it's the way to cross the street on the phone, hit me with the sign. Her children were welcoming you down on the property. She gave me three police, there's no trespassing, and then she just got in my face and shook the sign through that room. Let me move. There was a run-in between the two.

Susan claims that Ajay went over to Susan's house, picked up a no trespassing sign, and threw it at Susan.

Do you know her? No.

“I think it's always over here, I think, screaming yelling, playing games, doing all the rest of the police.”

I worked upon her, and I said I'm sure I'm very quiet. I don't understand that at all. There was an initial confrontation dating back to February of 2022. And she shouldn't have removed the sign here with the landlord sign. I'm thinking about Ajay because she doesn't play about her kids.

So I knew that she wouldn't have been in the butt as a time. I'll see that, I'll smirk on your face. Is there you already know?

She was actually keeping the peace because she was never the initiator.

She did nothing wrong. I can't tell them. They didn't have their personal personal space. They can't walk the dog or even throw their football on them. This was a case that boiled into something that I don't think anybody thought it would.

Susan was like, do you see this sign? This is an ultra-spassing sign. Don't come over here, get your ass off my property. I can see. 2020 is partnering with vibes open here wireless headphones.

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And frequently, it is a situation where we're responding to that same location over and over again. I said, "You kids will trust power saying I mentioned it. We're all nice sitting with you to take a step back." This field here is between where Susan used to live and just across the way is where AJ used to live. Before Susan did move here, our kids were already playing in this field.

Susan believed that a portion of the field belonged to her.

“And she had the right to piece them quiet.”

I moved in first. AJ moved in maybe about a month after me. And then two, three months later, Susan moved in. First of all, she moved in. This big open space right here. All the kids who like to play kickball, football, and the space she moved in.

I don't want to drop home over here. So they don't leave her. I know this goes. And the kids would play over there. And her apartment is over here.

And she would literally antagonize these kids. For no reason, she would come outside. Move her truck from the other side. All the way to this part right here by the tree and just lay on her horn. For like ten minutes out of town.

Just to aggravate the kids, you had one neighbor who didn't really like all the noise and all the fun. Yes, well. What kind of complaints did she make? She would come out, staying up a little finger. I could take the ball back.

The other day she tells her to tell us my son. I was going to have her recipe. And we'd go on a joke, he's baked so he's terrified. One time I was walking my dog.

And he would always get loose somehow after leash.

He ran across the yard. I ran after him. She saw me.

“And she, like, she had this like party horn.”

And she humped it. I got so scared. Were you in her yard? No, man. We would play.

And the field. And we make sure we didn't go in her yard. And so I go over there. So the baby. This is my apartment.

They can't have a dog on your own. I will see that that leash is always messing with people's kids. She's always trying to record the kids. And I didn't see anything that I can't see. It was like every other day she was coming out while they're in the kids.

Calling the cops. It was every other day. The picture was painted that Susan was a problem in the neighborhood, revolving around how she treated her neighbors. Specifically, children who played in the area.

You're certainly the trespass. We're also the majority of trespass. We're the trespass inside. I've found my friends who came here. I'm working.

I can't get some hair. She went and bought her little private property side. And she stood in the yard. So she had to sign.

She's basically like ramming the side of my face.

So then we should want to pick it back up. I keep the sign up. And I have to redefine. I literally pick the sign up. And if I walk outside the room.

I can go and buy a sign too. Still doesn't mean anything. At that point, I guess she's already on the phone and she. Oh, I'm being attacked. Someone's attacking me.

I'm literally in the street now. I'm proceeding. Okay. Where did you find the mailbox? Okay.

The deputies are forced to be in the middle of this neighborhood dispute over whether or not children should be allowed to play in their neighborhood. They're caught between Audica Owens and Susan Lorenz. Oh, it's gone. See it.

Another day. All right. We'll just fall me. Hey, ma'am. Yeah.

Did you see anything? Yeah. She didn't touch that lady. She just took the thing out in the ground. And that was it.

Nothing. The thing that she was asking for. She didn't touch it. Susan was like, do you see this sign? This is an ultra-spassing sign.

Don't come over here. Get your ass off my guitar. Get your ass off my property. And now she didn't stop waiting to stop. Don't have a kid.

Baby yells at everybody's kids out here. Okay. Well, I mean, I wouldn't go over there anymore. Okay. So.

Seth has a no trespass. So. I'm finished. I'm finished. I'm finished.

I'm finished. I'm finished. I'm finished. I'm finished. What I mean?

“Did your daughter, AJ ever talk about what Susan was calling the police about?”

She was complaining about the children just playing that in the field. All right. Is this just Susan? Yes. Okay.

Do you want to come outside and talk to me? Sure. Okay. When I responded to Mrs. Susan's house on that day, her initial complaint was just that she was working on a paper and she had a headache. The neighborhood kids were playing in a lot next to her apartment.

And they were being loud. And I don't want the kids running back and forth. He was screaming in the house when I'm trying to concentrate. We typically don't get calls about children playing. Look, if those people aren't complaining, I can't kick them off that property.

Before I even made contact with her, I was already frustrated. There wasn't a reason for us to be out there for something that seemed so silly at the time.

But those kids, you know, they shouldn't be screaming and, you know, warning around me.

“I'd rather kids be screaming because they're out here playing and have a good time than stealing cars and robbing people.”

So if they're out here having a good time, they're having a good time. Mrs. and was very frustrated with me. She was not happy with my answer. I can't be played. I don't know. I'm not them. I'm not their parent. Like I said, it's a big open lot. It's probably just now. It's too nicer for them.

I don't know what all you can actually hear on my body. I don't know how muffled it was. As I was walking away, she used some very choice words to call me. All right. Well, you have a good night. And so I looked at my partner and Simon Taneously was trying to turn my camera off.

I love it. I just didn't get my camera off and time. After being called to that neighborhood, time and time again. Deputies probably were like, here we go again. And the fact that there were no arrests, irked Susan. I'm going with some.

Susan went out and bought two guns. One day we were playing in the yard. And then she had to show, it looked like a rifle out the window. Incredibly, Susan's anger toward these kids soon becomes downright hateful.

She came to us and we're.

You all heard the call? Yeah, body control. Yeah, okay. Of course. We're breaking red light.

Body cams are great for us.

“Because they show matter of fact what happened.”

There is no. Well, I may have perceived it this way or that way. No, you see four certain exactly how it happened. Number three. You think one or two is on that side?

This is my body cam. You've got your camera. And then this is like your main button to start and stop it. And then up here. There's a screen when it's on.

It'll flash red. Uh-huh. Pretty good. What are you doing for? Peter, stop this.

What's going on? I'll see you now.

What's the children screaming there for?

They're so funny around. They know that I'm supposed to be the bigger. I think they told the main times. And as we started to learn more about. The ongoing issues in that neighborhood.

We're seeing a pattern here of issues between these two neighbors, Susan Lorenz and Agica Owens. What's the main button? Look. It's mother comes over here.

“If you treat my son like that, I'll get him.”

Whip your ass out. He'll be true up. Excuse me. I'm not bloody well for myself. And when I say see that, no choice passing sign.

Get off my porch. No, I'm not going to ask you. Yeah. She has her partner. I'm happy to be here.

I'm happy to be here. I just need to know who's mom. It was a boy. New and over there. That's Agica there in the darkness.

My kids were out here playing with them. Okay. And my oldest son, he caught me on a self-han. He's like mom. She's out here and she's in our face.

And she's young. I don't know, no. And I can hear her. The deputies are caught in the middle because they're the mediator between these two neighbors

who have this dispute about something so my news, something so silly. Kids just being kids. That's not the use of law enforcement. There's no serious crime happening here.

I'm happy to be. It is almost every single day. So like, at end of the day, somebody has to be to want to try and meet. That's what I'm trying to do now.

So I just want to know what happened. He's disrespectful. He is wounded. I'm a doctor. He has no means to talk to him.

So we're you guys. That this lady was mad about. I just want to say that every time. Like, even for none. Hold on.

Let's bring it down. You're okay. Every time. Even if we're not under property. And we're just like like being wild.

I'm playing basketball over. I can do basketball. I got you. Like she just caused us names. The tensions are practically boiling over.

And the kids in the neighborhood are giving police a firsthand account of Susan's verbal attacks and threats against them. What kind of names that she calling you? I just want to talk to her.

I just want to talk to her. Great times. The Beward. The Beward. The Beward.

The Beward. The Beward. The Beward. Everyone. Like, once I were.

Well, the kids were playing right there. And then it was just that outside. And she came back. She came back. She came out yelling and she was talking about

Like, she's crazy. So come up.

All of them said, like, literally approach to them

and, like, the impressive man. And, like, this big, this big. And he's not. Right. No.

I did not. He walked up to me. And get the hell off my property. And he's a little disrespectful. A little bastards.

And at that point, I'm pissed off. Sure. So I'm walking up and I said, OK. I was trying to throw up here in results. But I told you what.

The next time you walk up on my kid, you're going to have to take it up with me. OK. Oh. Now you're threatening me.

I'm calling the police. OK. OK.

“I think the deputies were tired of responding to that neighborhood.”

Yeah.

I think the police are supposed to protect them.

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“I think the deputies were tired of responding to that neighborhood.”

Yeah. I think the deputies were tired of responding to that neighborhood. Yeah. Yeah. I think the deputies were tired of responding to that neighborhood.

I think the deputies were again with these claims of trespassing that were simply unwanted. Nine, one, one, one. What is your work to see? I've got some kids who are just trespassing. The little kid is trying to put a dog in my front room.

Oh, no. Oh, no. You guys tracing a dog or trying to put a dog into a car or something? No. They're carrying a cold.

Yes. They're carrying a cold. Yes. As you can see, all the children are called her, the caring. As you can see, the children would be in the body camp and they would say things to law enforcement.

Like, yeah, the lady across the street.

She's always calling us bad names and she's harassing us.

What time I was running the bike and her parking lot? And she called me a slave. A slave? A slave? The neighbor said that to you?

She did. She thought I was f***ing stuff. And she called us and we're-- Two, stuck all this. And we're with the heart.

Um, just the name, Sam, we're going to get raped if we be in her yard. Like, right here. As you could, would tell me that there was a neighbor that was calling them all sorts of names, racial slurs. What kind of an impact did that have on your daughter? Because as a black parent, you try to shield your children from that kind of thing.

And now to have to have that conversation with them about race. Yes. So my daughter, Asika, always wanted them to know that they're not what this person is calling them. You know, to have pride in themselves. That's what I was saying.

She's like, "I'm going to talk to her." She's like, "I'm going to talk to her." She's like, "I'm going to talk to her." She's like, "I'm going to talk to her." She's like, "I'm going to talk to her."

She's like, "I'm going to talk to her." She thinks we're trying to steal or drop or buy her a child. And as little buddies, they're over here, they're stepping on the size of it. So if you bring that to puppy, you want to put his puppy in my truck. I don't go for that.

In the bed of your truck? Yeah. Who? This is a little child. Who is from the New York Times?

This is from the New York Times. So what are you cute? Is that a little child? That child, she's pointing to in the photo, is Ajika's son, Izzy. How does it affect your mom?

How upset was she about all of this? It was over the top because coming home after a long day of work, just to hear kids complain about a lady who's bothering you. I'm not exactly the type who would take it easily. She's saying he was trying to put the dog in the back of the truck.

You think he could even lift that dog? That dog. You get in here.

“The important thing is, they get living here, okay?”

Literally. It doesn't stay in this way. It's all about this while around here. All of us live out here. Nobody else is complaining.

Nobody else, she's the only one. Just double kick off with her now. I'm hearing from her life. I'm very scared. I lost my doors.

You just don't fathom that it would turn into what it turned into. Hello? What's that? I don't think somebody got shot. That's what I'm talking about. 64th day, Mary, and I'm 97.

I have one down. I have one elderly female barricade in the house with a single zero.

Typical day.

It was a gorgeous day to be out.

“The kids were in their first full week on a school,”

just like other kids around Central Florida. They had their whole summer ahead of them. It seemed like a regular normal day that kids were playing. We were all doing what we normally did. But there were kids playing in the yard,

as most kids do on a summer night on a Friday. Susan Lorenz had a problem with children being what she considered was too close to her apartment building. She says caused her distress. It caused her to not be able to sleep.

She woke up from a nap because she says she was not feeling well. She heard the kids playing.

Just us being allowed playing in the yard.

Probably what she was trying to like rest or something. We were kids at the time.

“What kids do want a big yard that they see to play in.”

The kids have another encounter with Susan Lorenz. One of Audica Owens' children had left an iPad and needed to retrieve the iPad from Susan Lorenz. And could not get it from her. One of the kids left his iPads and said,

"You want me to get it?" And they said that she was probably going to escape that him. According to the kids who were there and witnessed it, Susan's verbal attacks turned physical. So I was outside playing basketball and I just see a pair of roller skating to fly that easy.

There was an issue with roller skates. And she says that she grabbed the roller skates and threw them. Told them to pick up your stuff and go home. So me and I went over there. And then she came out.

“And with the umbrella of Susan swinging it and called us a Jack ASS.”

And then she was learning basketball. Susan said that one of Miss Owens' children came to her apartment and they had exchanged words to which the child told Susan that I'm going to go tell my mom. Susan told him to go get his mother. And of course any child who's having a problem with an adult

is going to inform their parents and so that's exactly what happened. They went back to their home and they got their mother. Her son tells her, "This is what happened. She took my tablet. She threw a skate at me." Susan Lawrence called 911 just before 9 o'clock,

saying that there were kids being too loud and too noisy. 911, what is the address you're hearing? I am a call taker and a dispatcher for the Marion County Fire Rescue.

I took Susan Lawrence's first 911 call.

I'm sure I make sure I could happen. We've been all the toys around. Just really knowing just being a cop is going to knock it. When I first answered the phone, she was talking about a noise complaint for the children. That's going to be a bad thing, and I'm sick of these children.

Now that they're home from the school, it's like, you know, crazy. And then changed it to like a trespass that they were not allowed to be at that location. Yeah, several people up there like now I'm hearing from her like, "I'm very scared. They have no kids and they'll be there. There's no trespass involved." Anytime we have a disturbance call, we have to tell them to separate themselves

and to keep themselves in a safe location. All right, you want to avoid that person and they keep your doors and windows locked. And Officer will be dispatched as soon as possible. As soon as I had the address, the phone number and the problem, I had the call center immediately.

I'll take that. All right, bye-bye. AJ Owens walked over to Susan's house and wanted to have a discussion, a dialogue, a conversation with Susan. From everything that we gather during our investigation,

at least one of her children was in a proximity of a few feet of their mother. And while Susan was inside of her apartment alone, she initially heard a barrage of banging on her door. And all of a sudden, I heard what I thought was her banging on the wall. And I heard it twice.

And I swear I could see my wall shape. She got two sets of knocks and she got one, two, three. And then she got the one, two, three, which was louder. And that's when she said, "Come outside, bitch."

It's now 901 p.m. Two minutes after Susan Lorenzo's 911 call. All right, I'm going to talk. And people scream and laugh at it.

I could hear screams. I could hear screams. I could hear screams.

And that's when I told all the kids,

"Get back, get back."

“'Cause I didn't know if the lady was still going to be shooting or what.”

There's still something with the guy on the front. Jump in your hands. On the night of the incident, I was respondent to quote, "Run and reference a trespassing call for children playing, and I feel near the home of the caller,

which was Susan Lorenzo. They have no good behavior. There's no trespassing sound. We're a few minutes out. We get an updated call advising

that there had been a shooting. I heard what to miss out with like a gunshot. Come on, I got shot. He's wrong, got shot.

I think some of you got shot. Thanks for the grander.

They know who the shooter is or they're in.

Susan Lorenzo fired one shot through the door. It hit AJ through the chest under the armpit. There is terror. Children have seen their mother get shot. AJ was really upset.

She wants to have a conversation. Correct. And it did. She gets a bullet. One of AJ's sons was with her

and saw the shooting. AJ walked back from Susan's house

“and told her son to call 911 before she collapsed.”

I cannot imagine for Izzy to be standing there. Next to his mom, and a gunshot, purses the door and hits his mom. I cannot imagine what that had to be like for him.

He told me that he heard her say. Call the police. Call 911. I've been shot. One of her sons

is then running frantically to a neighbor's home trying to get help for his mother. So I was cooking dinner for my kids. All the kids were playing outside in the field. And I got this big bang on my door

while I was serving their plates. And it was loud. It was loud. My kids looked out the window and they was like,

"Is it outside, mom?" So I opened the door. He was really frantic.

“He was like, "So frantic, you could have burned it."”

I came outside, and I ran across the field. And she was just laying there. And it was just, it was a lot. Isaac, the oldest, comes just through here, screaming, "Halloring, they shot my mom, they shot my mom."

I'm scrambling like this can't be true. I don't understand. He takes me by the hand and leaves me to his mother's body over in the field. I was in disbelief.

There's probably 14 people standing on this side of the street. And she's alone on the ground. And I just, I couldn't do anything but try and help her. And then I started CPR.

Susan was inside her house. She did not come out side her house. But after that shooting, she had called 911 again. 911 dad just said the emergency. Oh my god, this was just hard to break that button door.

I saw it. I was like, "No, what's this doing? I grabbed my gun." I was sitting up at Crackereel and just kind of eating my dinner out in the parking lot.

And I had heard them dispatching shooting. It was also my favorite in the passenger seat. Heading the lights. And I'm heading out at this beat of light. As fast as I can to get the quilt run,

which fortunately is only a few blocks away. We need to get over here and make sure whoever has the gun is secured. We don't know where the shooter is at. I'm part of the ticket.

Okay.

It's like the second 911 conference, Susan.

Susan was very frantic. I took a deep breath on the calm down. Oh my god. He said someone kind of break down your door at Crackereel.

He was the one who was screaming in the yard and he was trying to break down my door. We get to the neighborhood and as we pull up right here by the mailbox. He's right here, right here.

When we arrived, we've seen the victim laying on the ground and the community gathered around and was trying to help her. She's got holes. She's got holes. Right side of chest.

There's no exit.

and I saw AJ and they were doing CPR on her.

“I don't know, I just had this really bad feeling.”

She was on the ground right here. There was a group of people around. They were worked up. They were upset. They were crying.

They were trying to help her out. Medically, however they could. As I'm responding, I'm hearing my radio. They're talking about how the shooting has occurred. There's one female victim who is on the ground.

I need to make sure I grab my trauma bag. I need to make sure I have my gloves. And I have all of my items I need to be able to assist her the best I can. She stated she's shot to the door.

Okay, where's her going now? This is my daughter home. So I made sure I put that in a calling immediately. So I can let the deputies know where they're going to walk into. There's still someone with a gun.

She's inside. Okay, yeah. Where?

There's all the stuff out there.

There we go. There we go. There's all this spirit inside. Make you know about that. Thanks for talking.

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“I think that you hope that these kids understand that we did everything that there was that we could do on that night.”

I just remember myself screaming. I could hear myself now screaming. Why? I'm told over the phone that my daughter has been killed. I cried.

I screamed. I screamed. Because she was threatening me. Based on the circumstances at the scene. I said the gun said about for me.

I felt it was best to have Susan transported to the major crimes building where we can conduct an interview. And then you don't have to sit straight forward. You can sit sideways. My daughter was killed.

Someone shot her. Someone made it to be held accountable. But you're cross-winged. I told because the lady crushed the street on the phone. It was the perfect storm brewing.

Her children were welcoming you through all the property. That she called the police officer. But I don't know that. I knew that it would end.

“Is the main County Sheriff's Office come outside of your hands up?”

With Ajika Owen shot dead. I guess I bet because they're going to try to pick her up. On the street in her own neighborhood. Mom's not coming back to you anymore. Because Susan Lorenz shot a gun through her front door.

Ajika was the type of person that always showed up.

No matter what she had going on. She made a way to be present. She signed us up with football. And she would be the one buying this next. Getting on the water.

She would even make us run if we dropped the password. Mr. Tackle. When I think about her, I think about her smile. That's the first thing I think about. She had this big smile.

Her personality would just fill up the space. We would often chit chat over the phone and talk about her different dreams and aspirations. She's just waiting to see. The world is going to know my name.

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It's Friday. It's Saturday.

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Three hours after Agica Owens shooting. Susan Lorenz is in the interview room at the Marion Countyboro to Sheriff's Office. All right. Susan?

Yes. I'm the technical staff. Detective Peter. Investigators take Susan Lorenz down to headquarters to question her about what had happened. Can we just skip to slide that chair?

I'm sorry to keep you waiting so long. I was the lead investigator on the Susan Lorenz. Asuka Owens homicide case. So I wanted to be in the room to speak with Susan about what happened. So we're working this investigation.

And at this point, you're not free to leave. So I have to make you whatever you're right. It's okay before we talk. So I have to read this to you. You have the right to remain silent.

“Anything you say can it will be as against you in a court of law?”

You have to read.

During the first interview, Susan denied any allegations that were made by either children

or witnesses on scene. There was some statements given to us that you had taken a tablet or picked up a tablet. There was a cigarette. Absolutely not. No.

And what was the deal with the rollerskate? Because again, we talked to a lot of people who were outside. I'm sorry to keep leaving all their toys around. Oh my God. You know, stop already.

This is not your garbage. You know, the kids got a roller skates there. And I'm like, really take a roller skates. I threw the roller skates and go fetch them. Yeah.

I'll just be enough because it did you throw it at them? Oh, no. Okay. We're trying to determine if Susan embellishing the details to make it appear like she's the victim when in reality her anger and even fear got the best of her.

“So you were communicating with her through the door?”

Yeah. I don't like all right. Just leave. Yeah. I don't want to hear it.

Tell you. I didn't think too much of it until she really started counting that door and like, oh my God. Then I really, I get scared, like terrified scared. I don't even actually remember picking up the net. I just remember shooting.

At that point, I felt important to reveal to her that Miss Owens had passed away from a gunshot wound. I mean, we got to kind of get specific about that as it's big. It's a big deal. I understand. Someone's dead.

Okay. It's great stuff.

She never seemed to consider the status of Miss Owens until it was revealed that she had passed.

It's all because she was longing that might do more. And I honest, the gunshot she was going to commit. I was just fearful of my life. And I was just like, go away.

“That's why the thing was just get out of the situation.”

Go away already. But when you fire through a door that's closed, was it locked? In that moment, that night, that door was shut, locked dead bolted. What we're looking at is the front door of Susan Lorenz apartment that she shot through. The night that Miss Owens was killed.

The bullet hole is marked here. I didn't have the demo on. So I don't know how long the door was going on. And that's why I'm asking this because first it's broken. And now it's super secure with the extra one dead bone.

No, I'm just saying that we did put it. But if you look at it, everything's crumbling. Susan indicated during our interviews that there had been prior damage to her door. And based off of that, she had the landlord install. And what she described as an extra long dead bolt.

Her claim of self-defense became complicated. Particularly when we all learned that she had shot and killed Odika Owens through a locked door. And after you've fired the round, what did you do? She said, "I want a woman coming here." And it just clicked, I hit her, "Oh, then Jesus Christ."

And I thought, "I just, you know, make something." And whatever. And what did you go out there? No. You didn't go out there.

Susan maintained that her intention was to scare Miss Owens away. That she just wanted the banging to stop. Were you trying to hit her? Or were you trying to scare her off?

I just thought, "I thought I hit really high."

You know?

“I was just like, "I like the bends go away.”

Go away. Go away." Were you aiming for the door? I was just fired together. Because all I could think of is, it's, I felt like I was in the mortal danger.

I mean, it's just how I felt. The interesting thing about the state of Florida is that we have this standard ground. Good evening, and we begin with the growing anger across this country over the shooting death of that unarmed teenager, Trayvon Martin. In Florida, they have a law called the standard ground law.

In most states, you're required to retreat. If someone comes after you, you're not of the right to shoot someone on the street. If you feel that you're in danger, in Florida, you do have that right. Members of the jury, have you reached a verdict?

That has been very controversial.

It's been used successfully by a lot of people in a court of law. We the jury find towards Zimmerman, not to guilty. She hasn't given you just a minute. As things start to wrap up, you get a sense that maybe now she's going to be holed off to the Marion County jail, to be held accountable for what is happened.

Ms. Ann.

“I talk to the state attorney, the prosecutor for the state attorney's office.”

They are along the same lines of what we're thinking and we're going to continue the investigation. Knowing that there were so many things that still had unanswered questions and unresolved evidence gathering, we made the choice to release Susan. We're out this door here.

And in the end, she just gets to walk out of the room. As though none of it had ever happened. What world are we living in? That a mother was just killed in front of her children. She was a real close lot of door and she's not arrested.

We just have a seat in the back. I'll turn the AC together. We'll get it out of here. Thank you. Every day Susan Lorenz was allowed to roam free in that community. The outrage.

Make your life easier! Getting me. The demand for justice. I think people today protested. The mother has lost her life.

Continue to build and I'm going to tell you something. It was going to explode. No justice! No justice! All right, we're going out the store right here on the right.

Nine hours after shooting, Agica Owens, Susan Lorenz is free to go. So I spoke with Detective Stith. I guess you've talked to him already today. He said that you're going together. Some of the things I got to a hotel was that correct.

They handcuffed her and put her in the back of the cop car. So everybody thought she was being arrested and come and find out she wasn't arrested. Thank you. I was in disbelief.

I was. I didn't understand. I thought from the start that it was murder.

That was never a question in my mind.

Well, I'll be able to go in with her for a minute or no. I'm sorry. I'm not able to go in my apartment or no. Because I need to pick a medication. Yeah.

“I think Detective Stith is going to allow you to gather some belonging.”

Okay. She was here getting her stuff. And that's when everything just broke out. With like all the neighbors. All the neighbors were upset.

Everybody was mad. Susan relocates to a hotel after the shooting. She comes back to her apartment from time to time with police. Most of us were home when Susan came home to get some of her belongings. And things like that.

Hey, Gaby. Come here. Days go by. And this woman who had shot and killed her neighbor isn't arrested. No.

No. She isn't arrested. This neighborhood was really really upset. And nothing wrong. It raged. There's screaming over there.

She's walking. I don't know. I hear you. Oh, god. I know.

What are you three talking? I'm going to go talk to them. Can you all see over there? Can you just don't talk to them? She came out here and she was in her stuff.

And I was inside and I looked. And I saw her out the window and I came outside. And I was so mad. Like I was so mad. Hey, man.

How are you doing?

I know you're upset. Everybody's upset.

She's going to end up in jail.

So it's all matters. Everybody's upset. I'm going to be on a few. I'm here. She said I didn't even be in the streets.

She murdered this lady. Okay, listen. I'm going to be on a few. I'm here because she called me. She knows better than to be out here alone.

“That's why she got people with her because she knows.”

She actually came with a police escort. She was able to get it.

I want she needed to get done.

But it was difficult for other people to see. There's a stop. Hey, what are you doing right now? Can you come to Susan's house? Old neighborhoods coming out and everyone's might be verbal.

Can I do anything? Can I do anything? Can we go? Yeah. Watch out.

Watch out. Could have been any of us that would have went knock on that door that night. So everybody was upset.

“She literally killed this innocent woman.”

And the next day after she murdered her, she's walking around freely. It's not right. I was familiar with staying your ground. And at that point was afraid that their delay in her arrest had to do with staying your ground. And I knew we needed immediate legal support and representation.

We'd like to thank every single person who's a present with us today. My name is Anthony Thomas. I'm an attorney for the family. I as well as attorney Benjamin Crump, a working very closely with the family so that we can bring justice to the unlawful killing of a black mother for who was shot through the door on Friday evening.

And we wanted her story to be told and let people, you know, the world know what happened to her. I just want to thank everybody for coming out for my mother. When I'm asking is for justice. Justice for my daughter, Ajika Shentrell Owens, justice for your family, for your children, for your loved ones. Justice for America.

Because we want to seek justice and we want to assure that we get the facts right, especially in a case to this level.

We just don't take always one side because it doesn't always paint the full picture.

The sheriff of Marion County actually Billy Woods told me that he was going to do everything with in his power to investigate the situation. That's not enough. It's his job to investigate the situation. What I wanted to hear from Billy Woods was that he was going to make an arrest. Many people today protested the lack of an arrest in the shooting of Ajika Owens.

No, not that. Marion County Sheriff Billy Woods has said that he cannot make an arrest while the sheriff's department investigates whether this meets the criteria for his tenure ground law. More than 75 people came to downtown Ocala to demand an arrest, marching all the way to the state attorney's office. A mother has lost her life for being a mother. It's been a judge in there.

As I've explained to the people that I've been talking to, there's evidence that's being gathered. There are things that are being looked at. There are warns that are being executed. He's supposed to jail. So it's supposed to, it's important to wait for the evidence to come back.

“We haven't seen that process there, but why is she in jail?”

Why does process because it's been with us? You come up with it. Why are you doing this? I feel that they just saw her just as another black life. And that because she was black, that maybe there wasn't the urgency to make an arrest.

I felt that had the roles been reversed, in my opinion, that there would have been an immediate arrest. The standard of the law of self-defense and Florida applies to everyone. We follow the evidence and we take as long as it takes to get the facts right. What did that mean to you to have people come in and to advocate on your behalf?

It told me that people understood the atrocity of this. It showed that people still care. People want justice. We're here to fight and show you that our life mattered. And that justice needs to be served.

And it will be served, as long as we all have for our bodies.

Susan was taken in for questioning a second time, four days after the initial shooting.

“Or have you ever heard of the term "standard rally"?”

Yes. Susan, I think you know the reason why I'm asking that question. You're smart, okay. And the reason is... Oh, no, no, absolutely.

I know what you're thinking. I'm asking Richard. Okay. I know they get to my dishes, nice. This is Detective Ryan's dead.

Be attentive to make phone contact with the suspect. Susan Lawrence. Hello? Hi, this is Detective Steth with the Sheriff's Office. Yeah.

This is Susan? Yes, it is. My supervisor said that we have some additional questions. I was wondering if you'd be available. Susan has been walking around freely,

but detectives are still investigating, talking to newly everybody in the neighborhood. And then they want to talk to Susan again. It's four days after the shooting. No?

Sorry, it's just the old thing you have. All right. Let's just help me. They eventually questioned her a second time. Susan tries to repeat the same story that she'd given them.

She took the role of the victim that she was, you know, afraid for her life, the same thing. I need to that moment when you had to go in your hand. What were you thinking? Well, I wanted her to go away.

I just, you know, I felt she was going to come to that door. It killed me. I'm sorry, that's what I felt. I just felt she was going to come to the door and kill me. Okay.

This is it. It's a tremendous experience. Did you forget about for what happened? Oh, Christus. This wasn't just violence. This was racialized violence.

Susan had a history of using racial epitaphs.

“What kind of things was she saying that you called her kids?”

I called them racial slurs that I called them slames.

And that's never happened.

I did call them retards once. Because if they just kept calling me and I said, "Are you retarded? Can't read the sign?" Is there any reason why there anybody would have any video or anything like that? Or if you say in the end word?

I have no idea. If I did let it go, I'm sorry. I just looked out. What context would it slip out, you think? And what would happen for you to say something like that?

If they were being extraordinarily rude or if they were just... I was always told the end word meant that you were just being a wonderful, you know, 30, you just... I don't know, generally not feeling pleasant. Okay.

I'm just trying to figure out who's sitting in front of me here. Is it over here? I've been planning this. I picked up the gun and I was waiting for her to come over. Because it was very quick. It was two minutes. Or it was.

I had the gun in my hand and I made a mistake. Susan already made the first 911 call about the kids trespassing. And then within two and a half minutes after she called 911 to report that she had fired through her door. It would just disconnect it.

Within two minutes a shot was fired through that door. There's no way to justify that. This wasn't a long siege. It wasn't a castle siege. It didn't last for 20, 30 minutes. It was two minutes.

So you're trying to tell us that a reasonable person would shoot somebody for less than two minutes of making statements outside. That doesn't make any sense. Being afraid of odd to cut. And therefore feeling like she needed to purchase a gun.

Now, is that a gun that you've had for years? You just had it for a couple of weeks. I don't understand that. No, over a year. Okay, over a year.

I used to be terrified of fire. And then from the second, you really can't think of yourself.

“He said you should think about getting a gun.”

Susan had two fire arms by her own admission. When she went to her bedroom to retrieve a firearm, she actually had to move a second firearm. A Ruger 22 handgun out of the way to retrieve her. Remington 380.

You said that you used the 380, right? When you fired the gun, okay. There's already a reason why you chose that gun. Inside the other one, there was an old loaded, right? Then before you made it, she still wanted to pick up.

Making the choice to throw up the two guns that she had available.

They used the more powerful gun.

I grabbed again. I was shaking like the week for the more she found it, and more she screamed. I was like stop, stop, stop. Go away, move away, she wouldn't move away.

Finally, I'm going to kill you. That was the last time. And I just fired the weapon. Okay, was there a spot in your picture or something like that? I just kind of, it was the door.

I knew she was at the door. I shot the door. I have not learned of her ever saying to you that she wanted that. That she wanted to get into the house. It sounded more like she wanted to talk to you outside of the house.

It's not really good.

One of the people said that she said, "Come outside."

It's not what I'm sorry. Come outside. It's not reasonable to prove. One of the things I recognized, almost immediately as soon as she said it, it was some of the terms that she was using to describe the incident.

You mentioned terminology, reasonable and prudent. And where did that come from that terminology? It's that... I don't know. Watching TV?

Okay. Probably just crime shows and stuff. It turns out she was very familiar with the standard ground law. She had been researching it.

“Where have you ever heard of the term standard ground?”

Yes. Have you ever done any kind of research on that? Yes, when it was mentioned on some guy shot, someone had a convenient story and they said it's standard ground now.

So nothing reasonable would be on like your internet browser history.

No, I think that happens a lot. Yeah. Susan, I think you know the reason why I'm asking that question. You're smart. Okay.

And the reason is... Oh, no. No. Absolutely. I know what you're thinking.

Did I look up the law so I could do something? No. This is not a situation where it sets something up to... No. Because you were hired of this person.

You were hired of the situation that that you were... No. Okay. Sorry. No.

I've told a lot of people that they're going to jail for a very serious crime, but I was still kind of stunned by Susan's response. Stand up. Don't touch me. Susan.

No. I can't. I can't. I can't. I'm sorry.

Was your goal to shoot in killer? No. What was your goal? It's a shoot, and hopefully, you know, shoot here the shot and just bake. I...

I just... I just... I just got in heaven a really hard time making this jump here, that this unarmed person on the other side of the wall... Is... is somehow gonna get into your house and kill you. I'm just really having a hard time getting there. The detectives keep telling her, well...

You've got to help us understand what happened here. Why were you in fear for your life? Why did you feel threatened? Would you feel like you did something wrong here? I... I did what I felt on how to write on us about that.

She was going to kill me. I mean, it's all I felt. I just felt that terror. I mean, it was your terror. And Susan and the Rans can't really quite articulate that outside of these allegations that Agica Owens was making these threats toward her through this locked front door

and banging on the door. I can't get to the point where pounding on the door leads to your... leads to you being hurt or killed. I don't... I can't get... I'm just gonna break the door down.

Agica Owens wasn't strong enough to knock that door down. The door was locked. She wasn't getting in there. Many people who were questioned the night of the shooting have said we did not hear AJ threatened Susan. No one that we've interviewed so far has made any statements about her saying that she wanted to kill you.

That's what I heard. All I heard was knocking in the gun side. That's it. No one nobody knew that.

“When she's knocking on the door, did you hear anything else said other than those words?”

Nothing else was said.

Is it possible she never threatened you at all?

I swear to God, I thought she said I'm going to kill you. I mean, that's why I just panicked. As soon as those words came out of her mouth, I was like Jesus Christ, she's going to kill me. No one else in the neighborhood heard those threats that night. Other than Susan.

And it's Susan's word against the other witnesses. And it's really a case of who do you believe more? She has four kids and I can't let you talk to them. But it's up to you if you would like to write them a letter or something to kind of, you know, whatever's on your mind or in your heart.

You don't have to. We're just going to leave a note pan in the pan in the room. I am so sorry for your loss. I never meant to kill your mother. I was terrified your mom was going to kill me.

I shot out of fear. The decision was made that Susan was going to be charged with manslaughter. Susan? All right, I'm going to have to go with this deputy here. No.

I'm sorry? No. I can't. What's wrong? What's going on?

I'm sorry, I can't do this.

“I'm fortunate to work to that point where that's what's going to happen.”

She couldn't believe it. She couldn't believe it. She thought that everything was just going to go her way. Okay, so you're going to go with this deputy? No, no.

You're going to be booked in.

You're going to go with this deputy?

I'm not going to go with this deputy. I'm going to go with this deputy. I'm going to go with this deputy. I'm going to go with this deputy. I'm going to go with this deputy.

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I'm going to go with this deputy. I'm going to go with this deputy. I'm sorry. We don't want to go the hallway. I just can't do this.

I'm sorry. So what do you plan on sitting here the rest of the night? I don't want to do probably going to die of a heart attack. Like I said, they have medical staff over there. We want to be able to get you over there.

I had never seen or heard anything like that during an interview.

Susan, this is what's going to happen. We're going to put you in handcuffs. And if we have to forcefully bring you out there.

“That's what we have to do because we are obligated.”

Really don't want to take you to the jail now. Okay. Thank you for staying inside. Just I understand that. So carry that back for me.

Thank you, Susan. I think do this on campus. This wasn't purposeful act. I did not permit it. I didn't do anything like that.

This was ridiculous. We're going to go out this way. [Music] Four days after the shooting, Susan is finally arrested. Because the people spoke.

I think that when we brought the attention to the situation, law enforcement had no other recourse but to arrest Susan at that point. Tonight was a pivotal moment with the arrest of the perpetrator. You shot and tragically killed my daughter.

Now to Florida to the 58-year-old neighbor accused of shooting and killing a young mother of four.

“Tonight that suspect appearing for the judge.”

Listed as a suicide risk forced to wear a green vest. Now charged with manslaughter. Good morning now. What is your name? Susan Lorenz.

Today the State Attorney officially charged Susan Lorenz with manslaughter saying he must follow the law not family sentiment. State Attorney William Blatz and announced today.

A second-degree murder charge was considered.

But felt the state couldn't prove without a reasonable doubt that Lorenz had hatred, spite, ill will, or even intent towards Owens. The State Attorney decided not to press a murder charge but instead manslaughter. Understanding the law and who why.

If they can't prove the higher charge, then the person may walk. They may go free. I felt that the manslaughter charge against Susan was a slap in the face. I felt that it was murder. But at this point, I'm just happy that they're charges.

At least they're charges. You're later, all eyes are on O'Calla Florida. Everyone was watching, everyone was watching the outcome of the trial against Susan Lorenz. I had grave concerns. We have a jury.

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Right now, we're going to turn to the manslaughter trial of the Florida women because of fatally shooting her neighbor. They weren't ready to get them? Yes sir. Spring the jurors back, please.

No, it was huge. The trial was huge. Sports now, session.

Absolutely.

Things isn't for the first time.

Can I just let my facial expressions speak? We were extremely scared when we ended up with an all-white jury. You know, the politics of this place are extremely conservative. Did you go into the trial?

“Concerned about whether there would be a conviction or were you hopeful?”

By the time the trial has started, Susan had began to age a little bit. When she shot my daughter, she was a strong, healthy woman. I was afraid that they were going to see her as this elderly frail. White woman, that was afraid for her life. This morning, the trial underway for the Florida woman accused of shooting a gun through her front door, killing her neighbor.

I'm Deputy Michael Stranger, Deputy Aaron Barbosa. My name is Ash and Wolf from Bergen. I'm a Deputy with the Marion County Sheriff's Office. John, the photograph in the eight of state's one. We'll see if I are.

Did you conduct a second interview with the defendant?

Yes, Oregon. The jury gets to see Susan's explanations, those tapes with the police. And they get to hear from the neighbors. Please introduce yourself, the jury. My name is Franklin Lies. My name is Yavod Costa.

I heard a lot of pounding, a lot of yelling, screaming, and then I heard a gunshot. At any time, did you ever hear Isaac and Izzy's mom say, "I'm going to kill you?" Yes, sir.

“Ms. Lawrence, have you discussed with your attorneys the decision of regarding whether or not you will testify or not?”

Yes, I have. Do you tell us what that decision is? I am not going to testify. In her mind, in her soul, in her fourth. Susan Lawrence felt she had no choice.

No choice at all, but to fire that door. It was either Susan or Edge. Susan chose to defend herself. In closing arguments, the defense lawyers give jurors a dozen reasons to find Susan Lawrence not guilty.

She's not guilty. But prosecutors argue it comes down to one question. The cross of this case, ladies and gentlemen, is whether at the time she fired her gun. At that closed, locked, dead, bolted door. Did she reasonably believe that her conduct was necessary to prevent

imminent death or break bodily harm against her? Ladies and gentlemen, both the state and the defense have now rested their cases. All right.

“When we came back, that there was a verdict, I think you sensed anxiety, tension, concern.”

We'll have that possession. Would this community that have been demanding justice for Ojika Owens finally get it in this Ocalicork room? I don't understand you have reached a verdict in this case. Is that correct?

We were all clenching each other's hands, so tightly. verdict doesn't happen one. We the jury find as asking count one of the charges. The defendant is guilty of manslaughter. So, say we all obeyed the 16th day of August,

2,034. Good God, thank you, Jesus. Literally, I had to hold Pam like she was a walking. She couldn't even step by like I was holding her out the courtroom.

And she let out this huge, like, just cry into my chest. I thought that a guilty verdict was going to make me feel better. And almost had the opposite effect. It didn't make me feel good. It validated.

When I already knew that my daughter's life

should never have been taken.

Ms. Lawrence, you're going to be held in custody of Mary Cajeele without bond until that time, okay? Thank you and good luck to you. Three months later, Susan Lorenz is back in court for sentencing. I was there the day she was sentenced

because I knew how deeply important it was for this community. I remember having problems with a black person in my life. This is not about race.

The shooting was based.

I find more on anger than fear.

“I think that's pretty well established in this case.”

So, now I'm going to do in this case. There's aura, there's a shooting and duty capability of manslaughter with the firearm. Or there are 25 years in the Department of Corrections. The day after Susan sentencing, I emailed her defense attorney and said, "I want to do an interview with her.

If you allow, there are some questions I think need to be answered." She said, "I'm willing to speak with you. I want my story out there." Walk me back through your initial reaction when they said guilty. The shock.

That's just absolute shock.

Knowing how badly she had treated me, she would scream at me and be extraordinarily nasty. If you had an opportunity to speak to AJ's kids, would you be open to talk to them? Yes.

I would. And say what? Just said, "I'm sorry, and I wish things had turned out differently, and I understand they're paying. It's horrible to lose. You know, someone you love so much." There was a conviction.

But they were four children. Four children who don't have their mom.

“How are you finding the strength to sort of keep pushing forward and doing well with everything happening?”

That neighborhood will forever be known as a neighborhood where Susan lived and AJ died, and I would probably like people to remember too. That's also the neighborhood where AJ lived. This is a little memorial that Africa made. This is Asha Khan. If you see right here,

it looks like watermarks, but it's actually Africa's tears. This is when Asha Khan was pregnant with Isaac. He's the one that made her mom that changed her life. (Music) (Music)

AJ's mom, on some level, got a sense of justice. There was a conviction. But the four children is the Isaac, Africa, Titus, four children who don't have their mom.

“I believe every day they wake up, wishing that their mom is there.”

Every day. You know, we still think of them. I do. I think of them a lot. How long are they doing right now?

Time has passed, but the grief and the hurt has not passed. How do you want people to remember AJ? She is. She was the embodiment, the epitome of what a mother should be.

Life wasn't easy for her always.

But she did it with grace. How hard has it been? I'm very hard. I just can't believe she's gone. When I walked in my fire since I was born.

You're rocking your fire. I just got to be the strong man she raised me to be. But do you remember yourself your mom? I remember this one time. We were both at home.

And we were sitting on the bed. And she started teaching me this little song. Yeah, do you remember it? I do. Would you do a little bit?

Of course. I am. What a moment, David, sitting with Izzy on that porch listening to him sing.

And as for Susan Lauren she agreed to speak to 2020, but the prison would not allow her to do the interview.

She's appealing her conviction. That's our program for tonight. Thank you for watching. I'm David Muir.

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