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An international search for a California man suspected in his wife's murder takes a shocking twist. (OAD 10/21/22) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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What I want to do is not to get a lot of students.

The master-writer has left her to be a soft-handed, so it's a master-writer.

I'm saying, you can say that you're a hero.

You're a master-writer, right? But you don't understand. Egal, it's a very dangerous thing. Do you just do it with this story? And if you then do it, you'll be able to do it. -That's right? -Safe. This story.

Hold it, then go back. Now you're going to try it. We're a hard-stopping headlines come to life. It's the picture of domestic bliss, beautiful house, newport coast. Inside, upstairs, there's been violence.

This is now crime scene. We're on the Chadwax.

They took her. They took her.

The guy broke into my house. Why are we going to Mexico, isn't we? Now we've got a mystery. I've looked at my phone up and down and thought, "Here we go." Nobody thought they would ever end in their children.

Their children were their lives. Oh God, Peter, I've cried all night. And it's all leading to one international manhood. We're not going away. Let's get this guy. We're going to get this guy.

We're going to get this guy. Help me out. They have us marked us. The day of the death.

Our goal is the most important holiday of the year.

For the Mexicans, it's more important. The Christmas badge festival underlines your connection with your ancestors. Family members, they will recall that you knew well, but are very there. It's important. And it was in hot squirrel when the day of the dead celebration started over 500 years ago

that the mysterious ex-pat made his home. He was very soft-booked. As I say, hardly spoke at all. He seemed to tell anybody very much about his past.

But he always had the impairments of being a very prominent person.

And one night, there's a terrible episode with that man behind the wheel and two local women in the park. Claudia Zayn, you did accident, which you died very bad. Baby baby bad. He knew you and Claudia were very close friends. Yeah.

Did he call you after the crash? No. Almost as if nothing happened. Yeah. What was the stage?

People who are after attempt the ex-pat experience have to be risk takers. But there's something else. When you come down here, you can be invisible as you wish.

It's quickly as you came that driver is gone, but did anyone really know who he was?

Within one day, he packed up everything he owned and just left him. Didn't look back. And is what happened here. The chief is unraveling a murder that happened five years ago and thousands of miles away. Imagine California around the world.

The image of the picture is Neville Beach. You have this eclectic mix of millions with multimillion dollar homes with multimillion dollar yachts docked at their house. And it's not unusual to have a fountain right next to a brook surfer. It's a very happy place with palm trees and beautiful people.

That's that's Neville. And here in this picture perfect suburb of wealth and beauty. Live the Chadwick family. Peter, QC and their three sons. So Peter Chadwick.

Now Peter, who grew up in England to a wealthy family. All the best schools his father was at very successful real estate investor. And when I said he had success, why me multimillion dollars have been come. Peter's family moved to the U.S. just in time for high school and he attended the Herodin High School and Brimmar Pennsylvania where he was actually the indoor track captain.

Peter went to business school at Arizona State. And while he was in college, he met QC. QC is actually a very interesting woman. She's from Malaysia originally. Yeah, her family is very successful.

She's a brother that has the largest latex club manufacturer in Malaysia.

On their first date, Peter brought QC to the apartment for most of the date.

So they're all hanging out with the roommates.

Peter is all I will say, socially awkward.

He's extremely reserved and quiet and one of the hardest people to get to know that I've come across. QC was funny. She's sparky. She's lively. She's incredibly bright. You know, opposites, as they say, do a track through college, the romance blossoms. And finally, they tie the knot. They're living in beautiful southern California. They're raising three gorgeous kids.

Peter essentially manages emotional and residential properties for his father. Which doesn't actually require them to go to an office. And it's essentially a job daddy gave him sort of thing. And so you often enjoy taking meetings and closing deals right there on the tennis court. She and Peter live in a beautiful house, Newport Coast.

You look at a collage of the photographs. And it's the picture of domestic bliss. This is where I lived right here in the Chadwick's lived right across the street there when you see the black car. So you saw them all the time? I saw them all the time.

And they were friends? Yep. And when the parties came out, they were in the streets and everybody came to home.

We became fast friends. I heard she was a tiger mom. Well, you know, around here, probably everyone's to some degree a tiger mom. But yes, she was on her kids making sure that they were exposed to everything that would improve their lives. Whether it was piano lessons, Chinese lessons, athletics, academic competitions,

the basketballs, the best tutors. I sat on a hawk and went to school with Ben, the older son. And through that process of going to school together and Boy Scouts, our families became close. I mean, they were a very typical Newport Beach family.

You know, see what always like, make sure, like she made fruit for me.

Of course, her dumplings that she brought to every occasion. She was playing mom to you too. Absolutely, yeah, now she was really tiny, but she was a bundle of energy. You all traveled to China together.

Yeah, that was a fun trip back in 2006. I would have been around nine years old.

She knew the language and kind of took us around the office different places. It was a great one. China, the Beijing, Shanghai, she owned. It was really fun trip and to be able to do it with my friends was really awesome. And it seems perfect.

At least on the outside. Well, there again, they were very private people. You know, even QC was pretty private, at least to the neighborhood. So we don't know really what was going on behind closed doors, but it sounds like they had a lot of secrets between them.

So you have emails between you and QC? Yes. And she titled some of them, feeling. My sense was maybe she didn't want to share her thoughts with Peter. Sometimes I feel lost. Peter isn't here.

Otherwise, I will tell him how I feel and he will laugh at me and said, "What's wrong with you?" Yeah. It has been a very tough month October for me. I can't believe I had to lose both parents in less than two years. It is so painful to lose someone that you love.

I learned my lesson. Don't wait. I should have taken my whole family visit Malaysia every single summer.

Because we never know when death comes.

QC. So October 10th of 2012. Happened to be a typical fall day for Southern California. 70 degrees. Bright sunny day. In the late afternoon, the kids got on the bus after school.

Went to the bus stop near Mom and Dad's home. And one of the parents would be there. Read legislatively. Read my loves. They didn't miss it. You'd be shocked if they missed it.

Until the day they missed it. When the cops showed up and started to set up a tent, then we knew something serious had happened in the house.

So I had never really been a big consumer of podcasts in my personal life before.

But I threw myself into the podcast world with great abandon when this opportunity came up to develop a podcast with a new RPG police department to further this ongoing investigation.

Is this my going?

And it looked at my phone up and down and thought, here we go.

Okay, standby.

I'm Jennifer Manzella, your host for this podcast.

Episode 1. Something is wrong. Chapter 1. The boys at the bus stop. It's Wednesday afternoon in October. It's been a typical autumn day for Southern California. In the middle of a residential neighborhood, surrounded by homes and spacious yards,

there's a small private school. All the kids in the neighborhood went to a private school called Pegasus in Huntington Beach. That was miles away. Today, just like every other day, two brothers board the bus bound for Newport Beach. They're nine and twelve. And just like every day, they get off the bus to wait for their right home.

But today won't be like every other day. Now, later that day around 4 o'clock, one of the neighbors is driving her children home from the bus stop. And they noticed that Peter and QC chat with children are just standing there. Right away, the antennas go up.

And she immediately thinks something is a mess.

The chatbooks are not the kind of couple who forgets an obligation to their children. So she immediately pulls over, scoop some up, and takes them home. They go to the chatbooks house, not on the door repeatedly. Nobody answers. Peter's car is gone. QC's car is still parked on the property. They noticed some unopened packages, as if no one's been home for a while.

QC is a stay at home mom. Her husband Peter works from home. And there's nowhere else they should be at this time on a weeknight. They go back to the neighbor's house and they are calling. Every friend defined out where could they be? Nobody knows. But every one agrees that it's not like QC and Peter Chadwick.

The question is, where are the Chadwick? When I heard the news about Peter and QC are missing.

Officers were called to the couple's multi-million dollar home in a gated community,

a new port coast Wednesday. Tell my wife, yes, isn't good. Police say a neighbor saw two of the children at a bus stop, waiting later than usual for a ride. The neighbor was worried enough to call police.

I think they came at our doors around 9 p.m.

As if we had seen either one of Peter or QC. And we're like, no, what's going on? We were very taken back on why all of a sudden our neighborhood was flooded with cop cars. Nobody knew anything, nobody saw anything.

Did they get in an accident? What could have happened? Now it's time for a welfare check. In Newport Beach, police then proceed to go to the Chadwick's house.

When I first arrived, I kind of took a survey of the house.

No signs of a break in. And officers go into the home and it's very neat. We were looking for anything abnormal. Maybe a note that the boys didn't see or didn't know about. And as I walked around, it looked extremely clean.

The vacuum lines and the carpet. There was a lot of family photos. You can tell that it appeared that this was a normal, happy family. But they start seeing a couple things that look a little out of place. There's a meal kind of abandoned in the kitchen.

As someone started prepping lunch and didn't finish it. So we proceed upstairs and it was clean. It was perfect. We may our way to the master bedroom more of the same. And as we made our way to the master bathroom, that's when it looked like something was suspicious.

Before I took a step, I realized this did not look like the rest of the house. I can immediately see the bathroom rug was not neat. So the way it works in Orange County, as a homicide prosecutor, it's actually met my investigator here. And when you went to the crime scene.

And in the master bathrooms. There have been violence, but it took a place. I can see that QC had some makeup out. I can see a broken vase along the edge of the bathtub. As soon as I saw the blood, you knew there was a story there.

This is no crime scene. Once they realized that there's nobody in the home, who needs help. This becomes more of a missing person's investigation with the blood being a definite concern. That's something might have gone horribly wrong. We took a step back and went back through the house again, trying to find those my new details.

The family safe is open.

And it wasn't damaged anyway.

I couldn't find any passports. No ID, no money left over in that safe. So something was taken in a haste. Interestingly, there were two lying glasses on the counter. Isn't it a little weird that she'd be taking a bath right around lunch time?

QC and Peter Shadwick are both missing. We've got a safe that appears to have been empty. Unrepaired lunch, broken glass upstairs, blood upstairs and two wine glasses. Now we've got a mystery. We're also calling the coroner's office.

The hospitals, friends and family, trying to find out did somebody see them as anybody heard from them. We were also trying to see if their big accounts were being used. There is nothing that was alarming.

Nor did we get any information in regards to what our next clue should be or what direction we should take the investigation.

So the oldest son is away at boarding school. And the two youngest were here actually at the police station. And when we came back from the scene and the wedding number of the two boys.

I never forget the youngest boy looking at the door.

And yet this hopeful expression is face that I think he thought his mom was coming out of the door. It's one of those moments that broke my heart. It really did. So as I went home for a quick sleep, came back early in the morning. I remember arriving at the gate check around 5 a.m. on the 11th.

We went the entire night with nothing. We've got no leads. 100 miles from the Chadwick's home at the San Diego Police Department. The 911 emergency line begins to ring.

It's 5.31 a.m. on Thursday, October 11th, 2012.

There's a man on the other end who's speaking almost critically. It's strange and in a bizarre tone. My dispatch calls me and goes, hey, Peter Chadwick is calling 911 in San Diego right now. I remember kind of just having that job dropping moment of wisely in San Diego. Peter says that he's been kidnapped and he has a very strange and convoluted story to tell.

The next morning, October 11th, still no sign of the Chadwick's. And it's very, very concerning.

Around 5.30 in the morning, something very strange happens.

911 dispatchers in San Diego get a very bizarre call. And it's none other than Peter Chadwick. South San Diego, just near Tijuana, he walks into this arco. And he asks the attendance that they can call 911 because somebody has killed his wife. And she directs him to a pay-thunt.

Hello whenever, this is Crystal. Yeah, my wife is my wife's dead. Okay, so where are those dishes? Why? Where is she?

They took her, they took her. Who's that her? The guy broke into my house. He drove me here, he had a friend. They just got, they've gone in the pickup truck.

Okay, so you're what? She's dead. Oh, she's out of the ocean. Have you seen her corpse? Yeah, I don't think she killed her yesterday.

She killed her yesterday. I'm getting updates in regards to what the dispatcher in San Diego was hearing. All Peter's statements were vague. And she was trying to make sense of it. At one point, she goes and gets her supervisor to speak to Peter.

Uh, hold on, let me give him some fries on him. He's dead, sir. Yeah, he's... Hey, what? Why? He's... I... she drowned.

She drowned. What? The body was stiff even. I've been driving with him, they... they're going to cut her up. This time on one call, it's nothing sort of bizarre.

Just listen to listen to the tone of the man calling. What's your name? Peter Chadwick. You want any kind of medication, sir? Uh, just lift a door.

Because I think they're going... they might be going to Mexico, isn't it?

Okay, but this happened yesterday, 11. You're now calling us at 5.30 in the morning. I know. I won't need to get him. And Chadwick appears to know a few potentially helpful details about the kidnapper. Man named Juan had kidnapped her and him.

He keeps rambling on about one.

Okay, what?

Yeah, hi. Who is he? Juan Juan Juan.

Juan, how do you know Juan?

I picked him up to look at some painting work at the house.

I brought him to the house. After getting the information from my dispatch, I immediately sent a team down to San Diego to interview Peter Chadwick. This story does not match the 911 tape, and now he's given us a more elaborate story.

And he has a very strange convoluted story to tell. He's fixated on this figure of Juan,

who he claims is a daily brewer that he has brought into his house to do some painting.

Peter tells us we met Juan while he was out and looking at one of his apartment complexes. So during this conversation on the 10, he invites Juan to his house to give him an estimate.

They walk into the house. Juan walks upstairs to take a look around and Peter stays downstairs.

He claims that while he's back in his office on the internet, he hears his wife's screen. And he runs upstairs. And he finds Juan's string link you see in the bathtub. And then Juan allegedly took a small two inch doll Swiss army knife blade and threatened Peter with it. Juan holds him at bay immediately while still stringing his wife and holding her underwater.

Juan is attacked as wife and now Peter gets into some sort of altercation with this killer.

But by this time, sound like you see is dead in the bathtub, according to Peter. She drowned. She drowned. He says to the officers, "I was weak. I could have done more." And then Juan allegedly made him wrap his wife's body in the comfort of their marital bed. And Peter's story is that he complies and Juan and Peter wrap her in or blanket and put her in the back of their Lexus SUV.

And then Juan allegedly sat there in the back seat with QC's body with the knife to Peter's throat and made him drive around for more than 12 hours. And then he starts alluding to the fact that he met this guy named Xi and they drive around all over Southern California. Two other bodies, Juan and Xi. Okay, so when Xi died at 11 o'clock, they took her. Yeah, yeah, they maybe put her in the car.

Then, close call. He claims that he pulls over on the side of the road and he gets stopped by the California Highway Patrol. Maybe Peter's thinking this is going to save me. But the officer let him go. Then, according to Peter, after the officer leaves without asking if he needs anything, Peter Juan and QC's dead body, make it about four miles from the Mexican border near an arco station where Juan then meets up with one of his friends. He says Xi pulls up and they move, QC's body into the van, and they drive off.

He just left. He just left from where? From the car with me, he told me to sit in the car to fix the clock. Like 15 minutes ago, and he said he was watching. I waited like five minutes and then I ran over to here.

And he believes that Xi and Juan are now leaving and driving south into Tijuana, and at some point they're going to cut up QC's body. And that's the story Peter initially gives us. We are searching for Quichadwick. We do obviously based on our investigation, believe that Xi has been the victim of homicide, and we are searching for her body. We were all just sick and buy it all.

I mean, nobody could believe it. And now as reporters, our antennas are going way up because there is now footage of that silver SUV, leaving the driveway of the Chadwick home on the 10th of October. Maybe we could attempt to identify Juan, and sure enough we do find out, yes. California Highway Patrol did stop Peter that day in that car with that license plate. Did the officer see Juan?

You don't earn your stripes as a California Highway Patrol, and if you don't take that flashlight and go, hmm, it was back there. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp.

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ABCSecretSavings.com/2020. Peter Chadwick, he driven several hours to the Mexican border. He made a phone call from the telephone right at this gas station. And what he told the 911 operator was pretty shocking. He said, "She's dead. She's dead."

So this is where the investigation began for the Homicide Detectives.

I think Peter got off the freeway here and saw the first place to park.

So he came to this payphone and called 911. There might be going to back to the go with them when we need to get him. How far are we from Mexico right here? The Mexican border, you can almost see it in the backdrop. It's only a handful of minutes away.

On Thursday, October 11th, investigators arrive at the Arco Castation on Del Sol Boulevard in San Diego. They accompany Peter Chadwick back to the San Diego Police Department. And there, the evidence collection begins. Peter is already telling the San Diego Police Department that QC is dead.

He's talking to them in a very low, very casual, unemotional way. They notice scratches, scratches on his face and neck, the plot thickens. And they're starting to wonder, what have we got here? He has what appears to be a human bite mark on his forearm. Either he's the aggressor or he's the victim.

One thing was noticeably lacking, and that was any concerns about his children. They had anticipated that he wanted to know what had happened when no one had shown up to pick them up from school but when can I see them, and none of those questions really came.

Now, remember that Peter claims that he asked a man named Juan to come to his house

for a paint job, then this man proceeded to kill his wife QC. Our investigators had to track down information that would substantiate or negate the story. And while they're still with Peter down in San Diego, they go back in the house and I'm walking around the house looking at the house, trying to figure out if they even needed painting. His house had been fresh to paint it.

The other thing is, when Peter Chadwick describes the man that he brought over to the painting, he said, "You know, I drove him in and my Lexus." And surely someone would have seen Juan at the demand guard shack at the community where the Chadwick's live. We were able to start looking at the surveillance tapes from the gate shack

and Peter originally told San Diego to dispatch her that she was killed at 11 o'clock and we have Peter's car on tape leaving by himself at one thirty. That was a big revelation in the case.

Detective still had to track Peter's movements.

That day, after he left the house, did he stop anywhere,

was he stopped, did he take certain freeways to that maybe we can get some video tape up,

Peter and Juan in the car so we can attempt to identify Juan. In fact, investigators were able to track down footage of Peter's vehicle at a toll booth on the 73 freeway. And judging by an analysis of that surveillance tape, it seems there's only one person in that car and that's Peter Chadwick.

We're continuously asking Peter for follow-up questions. And one of his answers is that he got stopped by the California Highway Patrol with Juan in the car. California Highway Patrol officer approached his car because he can't stop there.

And basically said, "Are you having a problem?"

He said, "Well, I'd pull over to make a phone call." The officer remembered having that interaction with Peter and he was certain that Peter Chadwick had been along. There were murder cases where it takes you weeks or months to figure out where somebody's lying.

This is instantaneous. As we continue to look into who Peter was and who QC was, we quickly realized there was some turmoil in the marriage. This was not the picture perfect family that everyone kind of thought it was from the outside.

QC wanted to grow and blossom into the person that she really was.

And I think Peter wasn't entirely supportive of that.

He teased her a lot, joked ridiculed at times.

Did she give the indication that maybe their marriage was in trouble? She indicated that she was wanting to be more independent. He wasn't very enthusiastic about that. Did you get the indication that she was feeling afraid? Yeah, she didn't say it overtly, but that was my sense.

She wanted to please him, but he was very controlling. So now we know that the portrait of Gloria's dullness just so that he has some cracks in it. In fact, it's really breaking apart. On Peter's computer, it was found that he had

a lot of search history in regards to Asian porn, Asian massage centers. We also had a written letter that appeared to be in QC's writing in a drawer that we found in QC's closet

that had his search history detailed out.

She had written down 35 different searches on a piece of paper that she apparently found in Peter's computer. One that strikes me how to torture. Who looks that out? After looking into QC's medical records,

we found out that QC had an STD. We realized what they were fighting about was Peter Chadwick was having sex without using any sort of protection and giving his wife STDs. Well, I was shocked when I heard the stories of things on the side.

I mean, he was the man, he drove and picked up the kids.

He never said anything derogatory about QC.

They talked to QC's close friends. They heard that divorce had come up as a subject. That's something Peter Chadwick never imagined would be in QC's playbook. He doesn't want that to happen.

QC's got tons of money. You were starting to learn about a man who was completely different than what you thought before. Peter was already on his way. He had continued to shift and shift and shift

and was willing to do whatever he needed to do to keep his life the way he wanted it. We went nine days without a body for a homicide investigation. We didn't know where she was.

We weren't even sure he was going to be a murder case. Once we got the phone call, we got the location. I said detectives all the way out there. And he's a complete remote area. Middle nowhere, almost into Mexico.

Peter so far has been sticking to his story for the most part. The major points stay the same. One, QC's body being loaded into Peter's car. The hours of driving.

Some details change, disappear, reappear.

In the direct quote from a police report.

The facts as presented by Peter were not only unsubstantiated

but lack of plausibility.

It becomes clear that whatever the other details may be.

QC has been killed, and her husband Peter was involved. Right around noon, a box of relevant. We placed Peter Chadwick under arrest for homicide. Police went to the family's multimillion dollar home and found signs of foul play, but no sign of a victim.

Chadwick, a prominent real estate investor, husband, and father of three is behind bars. A waiting arrangement in a California courtroom later today. This morning, he stands accused of not only killing his wife, Queen, seen here in a family photo on Facebook,

but possibly hiding her body. Mr. Chadwick was in his car for about 18 hours with the body. So it could be anywhere in Southern California right now.

And seven days after QC went missing,

we got a call from Peter Chadwick's attorney indicating that Peter was going to give us the location of QC's body. Peter Chadwick says he is good or in that dumpster. He's telling us that he was in South San Diego

and he believed it was near a location called Wildcat Canyon.

It's mountainside and it's King and Rose,

and it's kind of off the beaten path. I wanted to investigate where QC's body was found, so the San Diego Medical Examiner, Dr. Robert Stabley drove me to Wildcat Canyon. That's it, that's the gate right there.

Perfect, awesome. This is it, huh? Little nowhere. Yeah, I'm pretty much. So it's just smaller than the other one.

It appears to be a little bit smaller, but it's the same style of trashcan and the same location that it was in 2012. We got to the dumpster where we opened it up and right on top is a beautiful purse

when we immediately see QCs, identifications in there, $20,000 in cash is in there. It's the middle of the night in a small town on the Jersey Shore.

When reports in a band and car on a bridge, a search gets underway for the missing driver, 19-year-old Sarah Stern. Is it a missing person? Is it a suicide?

At this point, nobody knows. Old friendships, buried cash, and a sinister plot that was once pitched as a movie,

plays out in real life. I'm Juju Chang, from 2020 and ABC audio. Listen now to Bridge of Lives, wherever you get your podcasts. Sunday nights on ABC,

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when the kidnapping first took place.

As soon as we see that green blanket, we now know QC's bodies could be in this dumpster. When you pulled up here, what'd you see? There was a body. We could tell because there were extremities exposed.

She had extensive wounds about her head or torso and all four extremities. My initial impression is that she met with some type of trauma surely before her death. Authorities confirmed the body discovered inside this

lakeside dumpster yesterday afternoon is that of Queen Chadwick.

What exactly did you find when you began to do the autopsy?

The injuries that I'm already described were confirmed. There was also evidence of strangulation. She had significant hemorrhages and the muscles on both sides of her neck. She had bruises about her face.

She had an abrasion on her chin. Indicating that she may have had her chin down. Trying to protect her airway. It was extremely violent. What do you think really happened that day?

I believe she put up a good fight for a significantly traumatized with blunt-force injuries

The ultimate assault most strangulation.

That was just horrific, awful. It's just hard to believe. Arguing and fighting with somebody is one thing for it to turn physical is another to take away

your children's mother to continue to torture her essentially.

You watch that person struggle in fight.

It's particularly depraved. Now we think the investigations in the bag he's going to go to prison for the homicide. On Monday Chadwick pleaded not guilty to murder charges. Because he had no criminal history

and because of having the three children who could be believed to be a tie to him to stay local. He was allowed to post bail

which in the California system was set at a million dollars.

Most people do not have the resources to do that. Peter Chadwick clearly did. The conditions on his bail essentially would do not leave the country having no contact with certain members in the family

and we took his passport to reduce his flight risk potential. So there he is in Santa Barbara staying with his dad he has a relationship with his kids and for two years he shows up for hearings.

There was zero indication. Anything was wrong. He was making his court appearances until one day he does not. And prior to the court date

Matt calls me and goes Peter Scott. I honestly was kind of like who didn't see this coming? He had a safe deposit box and that deposit box was emptied.

And now it's very clear to everyone that Peter Chadwick has become a fugitive from justice. So we immediately set off on a madman. There are all kinds of places

that Peter could pick because he had access to money.

He could be anywhere. meantime Peter Chadwick unknown to the place. It's thousands of miles away. Wait until you hear what our team

uncovered investigating this one day. As soon as I saw the blood broken face, you knew there was a story there. This is now crime scene.

The story's really never been told before.

Yeah, my wife, my wife did. Where exactly is she? They took her. They took her. They took her. They took her.

We are searching for Quichadwick. We do believe that she has been the victim of the homicide. So now we know that the court tript of glorious dumbest

disability has some cracks in it. How did torture? Who looks that up? You're starting to learn about a man who's completely different than what you thought before.

Wanting to do whatever he did to do to keep his life the way that he wanted it. There was so much hard work put into the investigation to identify him as the person responsible for killing Quichadwick.

Peter, we are coming for you. Just begins your countdown to capture. Give it a bad bad thing. Give it a bad bad thing. A man hunt is underway tonight for an orange County murder

suspect who was vanished without a trace. After not showing up to the court to face murder charges accusing him of killing his wife Quichadwick and leaving her body in a dumpster. Authorities quickly realize that Peter Chadwick

is on the run and he's once again making headline news. A new court reached businessmen has jumped bail. Where is Peter Chadwick?

You start talking to Peter's dad and asking him what's been going on. Where is Peter? And Peter's dad just basically indicates that Peter was getting scared

that he was suicidal. He called me. What were he was let out of bail? That particular motive seems suicidal. Seriously?

Yeah.

He never confessed to me but he would say stuff.

And I said, Peter, whatever happens to your boy still needs her. That's what I could say. Murder carries a life sentence in state of California

and I think the one Peter Chadwick realized

that we weren't budging from that. That's when he made the decision that he was going to flee. It was all a sudden where did he go? Like, what parts of the world could he be in? He's a smart guy.

And I just assume he figured out I'd get to some place that there's no expedition. How could a father flee his family and leave them behind? Knowing that he's the only parent left. He chose to save himself.

Not save his kids. Could he be in the Philippines? Could he be in Japan? Could he be in Mexico? Could he have gone to Canada?

Now knowing that we haven't met.

We call the United States Marshalls the first systems.

My name is Craig Plasky.

I've been with Marshall Service for 20 years.

One of the things we do when we adopt a case is we try to establish a pattern alive on the individual. Well, examine their social habits, their financial habits, prior to when they became a fugitive. We took a look at Peter's Pinterest account.

And there was only three things that he really researched for saved on his Pinterest account. One was tennis records. One was Bugatti Cars. And one was head of build a safe room in your home.

So we knew the tennis was one of the things were a pattern of life that he might retain. So our initial dive into Peter's finances. He had a safe deposit box. And that deposit box was empty.

We suspect that there was roughly a million dollars

in that deposit box just based on interviews with the bank. But we also learned that Peter had a lot of credit cards. Approximately five or six that he didn't max cash with the draws on. Obviously with the intention of paying those back. You have to think this guy has money.

So he could be in Timbuck too. Where do we look? Where do we begin? Peter had an obvious jump start on his flight, but also he was very meticulous. And who knew about him where he went

and how he could manipulate those assets to his benefit?

So one of the first tangible leads that we had was that he had taken a cap to the Santa Barbara City Airport. There were 45 different cab companies that service the Santa Barbara area. And on the 44th cab company that I called,

they told me that they did send a car up to Peter's father's house. picked up one passenger. Once we got to the Santa Barbara Airport, we were able to review the video footage from the airport

and we saw Peter arrive in that cab. The photos that we have a Peter shows him sitting in a chair looking right at his surveillance camera. I think the purpose of Peter being an island of the camera is to show us that he was there.

But upon coming through pages and pages of the passenger list,

we discovered that Peter never got on a plane.

He actually just walked down the airport got into another cab and fled. This was all very calculated. He's laid this false groundwork,

traveling to different places and planning fake trips.

That's when we realized this was well planned. Very strategic. Now I would say we were several months behind. We made a decision to go up to Peter's father's home in Santa Barbara.

We did a cursory search of the room where Peter was residing at the time. And the room was basically cleaned up. Except for a few items that were very distinct clues that Peter might have caught. In the father's house, there are references to Canada.

There are breadcrumbs that would lead any investigator to thinking this man's going to Canada. Some of those items included books on how to change one's identity to how to live life on the run in Canada. So it appeared that Peter was heavily researching

how to exit the country through the Washington border in Canada. I decided at that point that we needed to interview Peter's sons. The oldest son initially called us his father. He was telling them, "Yes, I'm going to run."

His plan was to drive to the Canadian border of New York City, Washington. He was going to walk across by himself. A menial job. And then from there he was going to go to a country where he could then contact his sons and have a reunion.

He knew people in Canada. He lived in Canada as a child.

When the parents left England, they first went to Canada.

Then made their way to California. So he's got ties there. So during the first three years after Peter ran, the marshals followed up on leads and tips in Canada. He didn't dead ends at every turn.

If I could put a number on all the resources that we used, there was approximately 20 to 30 personnel at any given time doing something on this case. As time goes by, it's difficult to continue a timeline and establish locations of where and when a future that has gone.

Peter was definitely my paint painter for lack of a better term. We knew he was there, we just couldn't get him. There was so much hard work put into the investigation to identify him as the person responsible for killing QC. Why then just give up and let him get away.

We just don't do that. When a case gets chilly or starts to go cold, bringing in a fresh set of eyes. It's a great way to look at things a little bit differently. And that's exactly what happened.

You can run, but you can't hide much longer. So to yourself a favor, Mr. Chadwick, and turn yourself in.

They sure not did their own podcast.

It was a brilliant idea. The clock was ticking from Peter Chadwick. Every day, when he was gone, he was just one day closer to being caught. Peter, we are coming for you. This begins your countdown to capture.

Dad, what disappeared more than three and a half years ago, while awaiting trial for the murder of his 46 year old wife QC. You can run, but you can't hide much longer. So, do yourself a favor, Mr. Chadwick, and turn yourself in. So, any investigator will tell you that when a case gets chilly or starts to go cold,

bringing in a fresh set of eyes. It's a great way to look at things a little bit differently. And that's exactly what happened when a new sergeant court-deployed came to Newport B2PD. So around 2018, he decided to pump some new life into this case.

So, I came to the crimes against persons union as the sergeant. And one of the things that stuck out was the fact that your Chadwick was still wanted for QC from 2012. I wanted to find out what had been done. Let's figure out what we're going to do moving forward.

And how we're going to get this guy. The court-deploying at the Newport B2PD is a rock star in my mind. And he's like a dog of the bone. He could not stomach the idea that this man was able to use his money to escape criminal justice in the state of California.

And court-deployed was going to find him. I went to our public information officer, Jennifer Mansella. Sergeant Deppley came into my office and started talking to me about the Chadwick case. And said that we needed to re-publicise the story. And we had to do a global.

We knew he had means that he could get out of the country. He just sat there and said, you know, what's your idea? And I think I blinked like a deer in the headlights.

And then I looked at him and said, you know, the only thing I can think of would be something like a podcast.

But that would be a lot of work, and I don't really know how to do it.

I'd never listened to a podcast, didn't know what a podcast was.

So for me, after she walked me through it, and I said, "Perfect, let's try it." Is this my going? I was so intimidated by the scope of this project. It's not necessarily something that's in my wheelhouse. Okay, stand by.

They take their own people within the department. Within the prosecutor's office, the investigators, everybody. And incorporate them into a phenomenal podcast that takes this case from A to Z. We had a microphone that we were able to get. We had a pop filter, a microphone stand, and a music stand.

And that was it, some cables. We just patched it together with duct tape and ran with it. They sure not did their own podcast called Countdown to Capture.

The first episode went out on September 17th of 2018.

Welcome to the prologue of Countdown to Capture. I'm Jennifer Mancella, and I'll be hosting this podcast about Peter Chadwick. So it's Peter Chadwick. Suddenly, there's new heartbeat. This new heartbeat is pumping loudly and furiously. At least a new port beach launching their own podcast.

There's all these antennas going out to the world.

Remember, podcasts go to the world, bring us fresh tips.

It was a brilliant idea. We got a lot of tips from all over the world. We got sightings tips. We got, hey, I know this person. So we're getting tips, you know, as far as Ukraine. We're getting tips from Japan.

It was actually incredible to see the numbers take off.

With the podcast already leading to new tips. Police are hopeful before the podcast. We were not getting calls from the public, and now we are. We got lots of tips. Some pretty good tips, and then we got some really, really,

on a left field, really, really crazy ones. But again, you still have to vet it. Teachers' face was everywhere. One of those things I noticed was that the United States Marshall Service Top 15 had a couple of agencies.

And that's when I reached out, I think, within hours he was up on the top 15.

Collectively, these agencies do one more thing that attracts attention in the case. And that's all for money. Money is a good lure. If you happen to know something about the whereabouts of Peter Chadwick. With the partnership of the United States Marshall Service and the support of the city of Newport Beach and private donors, I'm pleased to announce that we are now offering a $100,000 reward for Mr. Chadwick's capture.

We want everyone to be looking for Peter Chadwick. At the end of the final episode, we conclude with Sergeant Depp Wink giving direct message to Peter Chadwick. Peter, and this now, you made the decision to take UC's life to steal our former children

To leave your boys stranded on the side of a road to fend for themselves.

The flea like a coward enough face to costquests as your actions.

Think about your boys. Peter, we are coming for you. This begins your countdown to capture. We didn't have any way of knowing. If Peter Chadwick would hear about the podcast would listen to the podcast.

But it was very important to us that if he did, he knew exactly where we stood.

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I walked across with a couple of bags. And a bag bag.

This less chance of getting caught at night.

The story has really never been told before.

So we wanted to come down to see exactly what he was doing. Who he knew. And what his life was like. And what really happened next to him. In 2015 when Peter decided to flee.

You know, he made it look like he had fled to Canada when the reality. He came down here. To the San Siedra. Point of entry from the Mexican U.S. border. As you hear.

The longest line here. Yeah. And he walked this path. Right here where these pedestrians are coming through. In through this white building right here.

And out the other end where this mental fence is. Went straight into Mexico. Peter's passports were taken from him before he fled. So how do they slip into Mexico?

I decided to cross the border into Mexico with my producer.

Just to see if we would get asked for our passports. There we are. Mexico, PCK. They didn't check any passports. No ID.

Nothing. We didn't need anything to get into Mexico. So this was his trip. He walked across the border. Caught a bus 27 hours down the west coast.

Right up to Colleen. Then he took the road north to Guadalajara. In Guadalajara. Somebody asked me. Oh, what's your name?

Peter. So I left because of that. I went to passport. So now we're heading to a passport. Which is about four hours away from Mexico City.

This is where we get a good sense of what his life was like. Different kind of life that he had in America. Potsquero is a very traditional old-style colonial city. People live a family-oriented continuity of values and engagement that goes on generation after generation.

Potsquero is famous for its celebrations of the day of the dead holiday. And it's a place that seems nearly the opposite of the life that Peter Chadwick had lived in California. But it was also the perfect place for him to hide and play in sight. If I went to a chain hotel, they would photopopy the ID

and look at it to put your name from the ID.

This is right in the middle of Potsquero.

And that hotel right there was where Peter had his very first place to live.

We got access to Peter Chadwick to tell us how you take a look.

And numbers to read. Bye. This is where he stayed for a while. When you come down here, there's no expectation for you. You can reinvent yourself.

An expert is simply an American or a Canadian who has decided to live down here full-time or nearly full-time. I'm an expert from Minnesota. I lived here in Mexico for the past 15 years. My painter and a writer.

I've written 46 books, including five books on the expert experience. The local people don't know what you did. They don't really care.

It would be very easy to have a lot of aliases.

At this point, Peter just starts changing his name. He's using fake IDs and further distancing himself. From who he was. The passport I was Polka. You can be as visible or invisible as you wish.

And I have actually been known to say that if I wanted to be a career criminal, I would come here. The passport. I was pretty much the same thing. I looked at them.

I felt like I was safe to just be the same look and avoid tourist places. So this is our living room. It's beautiful. We call it the Plaza Grande. Rick Davis is an American living in Potsquarra for the last 22 years.

Who knew Peter as Polka. So this is the spot where Paul came in to go have coffee. Right to walk by you every day. Right. I have a store in the main plaza.

We will pass every morning and say hello. This is the table. This is the chair. This is the place.

He never was a front about conversation.

What does that mean? He wouldn't look at you. He wouldn't look at you. Why? I don't know.

So those that knew him, what did they say about why Paul moved here?

One of the stories was that had a family and that they were killed in a plain crash. He told friends down here. The reason he came from Mexico is because his family was killed in the MH370 flight, which is the flight that went from Malaysia to China, and then suddenly mysteriously disappeared. I went to see Paul and he was looking for a house.

He had a few days to go to Potsquarra. Local realtor Elina Monroe helped Peter. Who she knew was Paul. Find an apartment. But she says there was something off-putting about this American expat.

I don't know if there was someone else. When you say he was strange, what even strange? It's like... It's in Alman. What was he doing for income while I was here?

I believe it was motorcycle parts. And maybe even motorcycles and repair motorcycles. Not only did Paul Cook have work and an apartment, he also started a close relationship with a local woman. You know, I really don't know how they met.

Her name was Claudia Soto. My sister Claudia was a person of a translator. She was a very classy person. Claudia was a very classy person. She was very ladylike.

Funny is could be very intelligent. Often times I'd ever hear the lady's talking and laughing about what happened last night. No, they were. Well hung over this morning because they'd been over in Pulse. So he was having a lot of parties.

Seems like it.

Did you ever use the word girlfriend with Claudia and him?

No. Just for like close friends. Yeah. After a year of hiding in Mexico, Paul Cook was living a good life. He had a loaded capture and put his life as Peter Chadwick.

Well behind him. Until a tragic accident would unravel his life on the run. So you and your sister Claudia and Paul got in the car to head to this concert. Didn't idea how fast he was driving.

But Elvenia and Alejandro were happy. He said he had a lot of faith in his family.

Now we're at home.

We're happy. We're happy. We're happy. We're happy.

When you woke up, did you know exactly what happened to Paul and Claudia?

May 2016. It's dark. And late at night. Paul Cook is driving his close friend Claudia and her sister Adriana back from a concert in the nearby town of Morelia.

Elvenia and Alejandro were very happy. Because they told him that he had a lot of faith in his family. So wait that night after the crash. Claudia was found dead at the scene. But then the other two were taken to the hospitals.

Peter first to this private hospital.

And then Adriana was taken to a public hospital. You were in a coma for 15 days. It's that you don't know if you're in coma, because you don't know anything. You don't know what to do.

You don't know what to do if you're in the surgery. And you're in the hospital.

Do you remember exactly how you felt when you got that word that your sister died?

No. No. No. Not only did you die. I was in the hospital for a while.

I lived in the hospital. It was when I woke up. I was in this hospital. I was in the hospital.

So this is the way that families notify the others

and honor those that died when somebody dies. Yeah. If you see that, you ask, "Who died? Who died?" When you heard that Paul was not badly wounded, what did you think at that point?

No. Because my sister died. So... Mar. Because she was sick.

And she... Well, you know, she was well. In the few days. And I do remember we all asked how's Paul. And as I recall,

maybe a couple of weeks went by. And here comes Paul limping across the plaza to have his coffee at the hotel restaurant. So one was killed. One was badly paralyzed and he was just lumping.

For Claudia's family, the mystery that was surrounding Paul began at 430 in the morning, just hours after the crash. They were called into the district attorney's office and presented with this remarkable document to sign. I mean, they told me to sign it.

It's a document of the accident. So I'm going to sign it. Can you read to me?

It's the same, the worst thing I've ever seen.

So it's a good person. All I have is paper, not all. It's stunning to us that this exists, that they wanted to make something legal in the document that relieved Paul from this crash.

Yes. Were you able to read it at all when it was written? No. So I read it. Yes, all the weight of the law in the account of the person

that is responsible for this accident. We pressed for more information to better understand the origin and the purpose of this document.

Ultimately, we heard back from the Micheal Khan attorney general's transparency unit.

They stated that the document is part of the investigation and they're aware of the incident. They provided no further answers. Do you think that Paul may have done this, so he would not get any attention,

given the fact that he had fled the United States and was hiding? Yes, yes. Because he had made a crime there. And how did he see it?

What do you think?

I saw him only a few times,

hobbling and then right up to the point that he was walking all right, and then he just disappeared. He didn't come to see him. No.

Suddenly Paul, who entered quickly, has now exited even faster. Nobody had any idea where he went and how they could find it. Back to those, an accident.

I pretty quickly left, leaving a lot of stuff

that I had boarded in the pocket there. He packed up and just left home. Didn't look back. A band in all his investments, the condo he purchased,

and that was a huge blow to him. I've been traveling. I wanted to look for a place to stay. But to stay, again. I found the hostels, which are cheaper,

two or three hundred pesos a night. The common theme kept coming up that if Peter was going to reach out or speak to anyone, it was going to be his oldest son, Ben. So we made the decision to go up to Stanford University

and speak with Benjamin right before Thanksgiving, but we can, because there might be a chance that there may be some communication because of the hallway coming up. He's approximately 19 years old at the time of the interview.

Very nice kid. He can't help but feel really bad for these children for what they've experienced. The hallway was their mom, taken from them by the hands of their father,

but now their father's on the run.

We finally learned that Ben had knowledge

that his father was in that vehicle accident in Mexico. With authorities now closing in on Peter, he is about to make one phone call that will change everything. I went to Aspora,

and I stayed there. I think almost two years. But after there was an accident I quickly left leaving a lot of stuff and the next place was by de Bravo.

I was working in a cafe, this washer and things like that. I was doing the English lessons and getting to know how to save money. And then I had this big thing.

So while he was invited to Bravo trying to recollect himself, Peter was aired on investigative report. I saw the go on my iPad and figured me out.

And then, like two hours later, my iPad didn't work, so I had a feeling that they would checking who's watching that video, so I left by de Bravo in one day.

You know, that's what happens for people on the run.

Everything's suspicious.

They're always looking over their shoulder.

I thought I could out of Mexico and I'll be able to be calm. And really, with the lying and it's just the same award. From the bite of Bravo, Peter then went to Chilula

where he kind of re-established himself. The city of Chilula is considered as a magical symbol. It's very calm. The department says it's a big thing.

There it is. And the life of Peter, it was practically closed. I don't know much. I had a lot of fear.

I didn't recognize him. Then after nearly five years towards the end of the summer of 2019, Detective Mike Fletcher gets a tip that he shares with the US marshals.

Weeding them to zero in on Peter Chadwick.

I said, "Trust me, I think this is good.

Look into it." Within, I think, 24 hours. I was getting called that they attracted him to location.

That's the spot right there. See? That's it. Mm-hmm. At the moment, the key is

to be able to be able to be able to be able to identify the location of that set of phones. So, I don't see a few meters of light. What did you think of that? When he made this call right here

in the neighborhood where it was lit. Well, the only thing I remember was

To be able to identify a location.

It was the small details of Peter's patterns of life

like tennis, hosting business meetings and around tennis courts. And small details like that

really helped us narrow down the location.

You showed the neighbors his photo of what he looked like. And they said, "Ah, we know he's in this area." As he is, he says,

"Reverian Alcomo Alburo." Why? Why? Why? As he says,

"I don't know, I don't know. I'm an American." Detectives last.

Was in charge of Peter's arrest.

He knew where Peter was living. That he had resources. That he had money. And that he could move very quickly.

So his team really had to move even faster.

You've got out of your car right here. Your vehicle was here. Yeah. Here we are. We have to go to the hospital.

It was like 11 to the night of the thing. I was in the room getting ready. I was kind of going to sleep, probably right here. Playing a video game.

They knocked on the door. I put my pants on and I took it off. I personally took it off. I took it off. I took it off. I took it off. I took it off. I took it off.

I took it off. I took it off. I took it off. I took it off. I took it off.

What happened? What happened? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I took it off. I took it off. I took it off. Yeah. You're not coming?

No. No. I didn't have the opportunity. I took it off. I took it off.

I took it off. I took it off. I took it off. I took it off. Obviously, we took it off.

the timing of this could not have been more dramatic than this. When you agree, I see this point you'll see if I'm a little bit. Oh and after the next morning I was leaving for Pueblo. I was going to leave that place. I was 12 hours away from I was out of there. Five years since arriving in Mexico, Peter Chapman is found.

And then I got photographs of him in custody. I was like, "Oh my gosh, we did it." It was a very proud moment for our organization and my team. I think it was August 5th. Peter Chapman was in custody. He looked like a man who was done running, deflated, I mean, no resistance. Breaking news just in a multi-millionaire, accused of killing his wife has been captured in Mexico.

When they found him in Mexico and what was the neighborhood's reaction to that? Oh my gosh. I mean, we just flooded with text messages. Everybody, did you hear this? Did you hear that? It was just, thank God.

Thank God he was arrested. We could thank God. They found him finally and they'll bring them to justice.

We bought him back here to Newport Beach Police Department and then said, "Well, let's see what he has to say." Obviously I didn't plan up and just, you know, whatever, but really fun. When Peter came back to the United States, we basically been across the whole dossier of information from his time in Mexico. His budgeting accounting for every dollar that he had, rehearsed statements, conversations he was going to have on the phone with people,

pictures of his family, numerous fraudulent identification cards. Did you have a passport? No, no. Yeah, yeah, I got those ideas in Mexico. In Mexico, this notebook is his life. He goes through the days of how much money he has in figuring about how much time that was going to last him for a point four years. First I was spending almost two thousand the month at this juncture, I'm living on a thousand US. So it was getting down to numbers that I needed to

call somebody. I think that's what got me. It's a friend who's probably on your list and

watching the corner, but what was the end game? You're just hoping to finish our life in Mexico or did you have a plan to come back? No, not to come back. I mean, I thought I had dreams kind of go and then I'm going to see what happened. Obviously, I wanted to see if I could. Then Peter asked Detective Fletcher if he can call his son, then. Hi, and so long. Now, Mexicans and the US Marshalls got me, I guess it was a matter of time.

Miss you so much and love you guys. I'm so sorry for all this messing up your life and what happened to mom, obviously, and everything. I screwed up. Wow, what a day.

Oh, I guess that's one of the hit your voice.

I do have to pay for what happened. You're a badger. What justice will he finally be served?

Cutting up please to eat out one violation of murder, he'll turn up, don't you?

Good afternoon. Good afternoon, District Attorney Jennifer Walker from the people. Robert Singer from Mississippi, Chadwick. All parties are ready to proceed. For those of us who cover criminal trials, we do say that the wheels of justice grind adverse so slowly, but after 10 long

years and a diligent investigation, finally, Peter Chadwick faces justice.

There was a lot of discussion about trial as opposed to some sort of plea agreement.

At the end of the day and there's three boys still that we were purely aware

if they had been through a lot. How hard are you ready for a scene? Yes, sir. Mr. Chadwick, did you want to make a statement? Yes. I know I thought Odie, killed Quaych who destroyed family for the by children to go away the mother. I'm sorry. I wish I could take it back and he was crying in court. I destroyed everything. These were not tears for QC. Those tears were not for anyone but Peter. He's like this duck swimming through

water and the the wake that he leaves is just human misery. So I just do whatever the court you five. I do not plead to account one violation of murder guilty or not guilty. You okay? They do exceptionally and if this time I'll sentence you to state prison for 15 years to life.

How could a father do something like this not just to his wife but to his whole family?

Peter may now finally be behind bars in the U.S. but back in Mexico. What kind of

justice might there be for Claudia, Adriana and their family? He will now have to do 12 years minimum in California state prison before he's eligible for parole and I think the family in Mexico should have a voice at that hearing. Do you feel betrayed by Peter, by Paul? This guy came in to murder our city. We're not going to just let him be on the right

of life. QC didn't get that opportunity. She had so many plans but she wanted to do as much for her children as she could and she did. I can't imagine a mother giving children a better sense of love and devotion than she did. You've been listening to the 2020 True Crime Vault. Friday nights at nine on ABC you can also find all new broadcast episodes of 2020. Thanks for listening.

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