True Crime Vault: Ruby Franke: From Momfluencer to Felon

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“We're just going to sit back and be out.”

There's two of the kids that we need to go do to share these people with the house. So many desperate searches. Where we didn't know if another sibling was possible even dead. So few answers until now.

The police tapes being seen for the first time. So they do an hour's long search. Gathered, roped, handcuffs, there were rules of duct tape. The things that were clearly evidence of abuse. You have now heard about this since the arrest

of a 2 million subscriber plus YouTube mom vlogger.

You guys need one year. We've gave 600,000 subscribers. Ruby Frankie has been charged with six felony counts of child abuse. If you cut one more thing in my house, I'm going to take this scissors.

Look at me. And I'm going to cut its head off. I'm going to be so bad. We'll be Frankie built a persona of strict parenting. Strict or sadistic.

This is the same thing. This is the right time that we've been after me for years. Police Department, make yourself new! It's a hot summer morning in the Cayanta neighborhood of Ivan's Utah. When a ring camera picks up a young boy, not wearing any shoes, approaching a home.

He rings the doorbell. No one answers. A minute later, another ring camera from the neighboring home picks up the same boy. He tries the doorbell. It seems like no one's home at first.

But then, the door opens. And what happens next will kick off an investigation that will rock this otherwise sleepy, make sure as suburb, in fact, it'll shock the world. I just had a 12-year-old boy, so I appeared in my front door asking for help. And he said he'd just taken him from the neighbor's house.

He's amazed, he's got tape around his leg, he's hungry and he's thirsty. One of the most gut-wrenching things about that 911 call, you can hear in that homeowner's voice, he starts to cry, talking about the boy.

“He has duct tape around his ankle, I think the good chance he's been.”

This kid has always seen him, he's been detained, he's obviously covered in wounds.

Okay. We need to leave here, down. As he told you where his mom was at, he just says he doesn't live around here. He says he knows his mom's name. Within minutes of the call, the EMTs and officers arrived.

The very first thing that kind of stood out to me, the second we got on scene was that first

To the EMTs, the boy looks malnourished and has severe injuries, to protect his identity

“we're calling him R, and what you're about to see, maybe on satellite.”

He had duct tape, wrapped around him, and underneath the duct tape was surround wrap, wrapped around both of his legs, and on both the wrists were the same. I don't think there's one emotion that you can use to describe this call, there was sadness, it was everywhere, it was heavy, it was felt by everybody around. The poignant scene is unfolding in this quiet neighborhood with this stunning backdrop,

and Sergeant Nick Toeblur arrives on the scene, his body camera rolling. You were watching EMTs, 10 to him, and he was once in teeny kind of pain when they left his legs up. And what is that indicate? Yet he's been through a lot of pain.

He was very calm, he never cried, he was just stoic, like unwavered strength from this kid.

You can see the joints in his legs, there were abnormal, you can see malnutrition, just not enough food, not enough intake. Officer pick of its body camera captures a telling conversation on how these wounds got there. When I asked him how did he get the injuries, he told me that his mom and Jodi are said that they bound his arms and his feet to wait on the ground, the restricted his restricting his movement.

When I heard him say that it had me pretty hard, I had to excuse myself out of the ambulance. Later detectives learned that it wasn't just the ropes that bound him and caused those wounds, it was also handcuffs. And did he tell you how he escaped? He told us later in interviews that he unlocked the handcuffs from his wrists and his ankles,

and then he exited through the sighting glass door of the room.

“And did he tell you about his motivation, his state of mind in that moment?”

Just hungry, his hungry and thirsty, and he saw an opportunity to leave. While R is being treated, he tells officers that he has two siblings, who he thinks are still back at the house. We didn't know if another sibling was in the same state of condition or possibly even dead in the home. There's two of the kids everything to go to a security suite for that house.

That house, police learned, doesn't belong to the boys' mother, but to someone named Jodi, Jodi Hilderbrandt, and R's mother Ruby so far, is nowhere to be found. So we get there, we hop out of the vehicles, we get to the front door. Police officers open up!

She finally answered the door.

Jodi, I need you to step out. I have my turn. That's great step out of the house.

“When she answered, she had a phone in her hand.”

Let's have a seat right there for me. Do you have a search warrant? We'll explain it after this. We were able to enter Jodi's house, due to the exigent circumstances, that surrounded us finding a car.

For exigent circumstances, this is a wife saving effort. The officers entered the home, began clearing the house. Looking for the other children. Police officers! Just over 10,000 square feet.

This home has multiple bedrooms, bathrooms, hallways. Almost like a compound. We entered a room that had a bed in it with a touch bathroom, and then attached closet.

It was empty. Like there was no closing in up. None of the drawers are full, and in the middle of the floor. Hey, are you okay? Is this you in here?

I'm sorry, I'm told, but what's your name?

cross-laked, and just turning up at us.

You're doing okay? You don't want to talk to me? Yeah, that's okay. What was the look on that child's face? It looks scared, but child looks scared.

At the time, Sergeant Tobler called me, and I was in the hospital with R. So, I began asking, "Are you a little brother?" He said, "No, I have a younger sister there, nine-year-old, and he said she had a shaved head, and she had brown hair." I said, "When's last time you saw her?"

And he said, "It's been over a month."

They were in the same home, and they didn't see each other from mum.

Yeah, at that moment, we kind of connected the dots that that was who Sergeant Tobler was sitting within the closet. It's okay if I just say you're with it, we don't have to say anything. You don't want to.

“Did she say anything about her being afraid of you?”

Yeah, she just kept asking, "Where's Jodi at? Would Jodi be okay if they came in?" She just concerned what Jodi would think. Did she mention her mom at all? No, she did not.

And I gave you your scared. I would be too. You're in my way to meet trouble. I'm not here to hurt you. I promise you we're okay.

For over two hours, Tobler has been sitting with E. That's how we'll refer to her. Trying to make her more comfortable with his presence. Yet E remains motionless and afraid. But one suggestion gets her attention.

This is how that you like pizza, as she nod your head. She ate the whole thing, so they ordered another one. She ate half of a large pizza as well, along with a shake.

“And what does that tell you about how hungry she was?”

Food deprived hungry. Just like R was at the time. Well, E remains in the closet.

Officers are still searching for a possible second child in the home.

They don't find that child, but they do come upon a large safe room. What do they find? We found a rope, we found handcuffs. It was really set up like a private room. More than four hours after police make entry into Jodie's home,

E finally agrees to leave the closet. While E is led to the ambulance, Jodie Hilderbrand is placed in a secure room in the house. That's when the children's mother Ruby Frankie arrives at the home. Immediately, we're shocked, she's here. And just who is Ruby Frankie? It turns out she's wildly famous.

For all the wrong reasons.

“It's been several hours since police first got a call that young children may be in great danger”

at the home of someone named Jodie Hilderbrand in Ivan's Utah. But the children aren't Jodie's, their mother is Ruby Frankie, who prosecutors say had been hundreds of miles away. As the reality of her kids' horror is being uncovered. Ruby is in a panic and driving down from northern Utah.

We got information that she showed up at the police department. So she spoke with our secretary and said, "I was told my kids are here, and our secretary said, "No, they're not." And she frantically took off and while we're serving the search warrant of the home in Ivan's, Ruby Frankie shows up.

And so she showed up, she was immediately detained. She's sitting in there for hours while the search is being done. Correct. She came down here looking for two children, but they're really digs into that, like telling where my kids are at, "Are they okay?" It's just, I don't know that, it's just quiet in silence.

Officers spend nearly six hours searching Jodie's home that day and collect multiple bags of evidence. Due to the totality of the circumstances and the evidence of what he found, there was enough to charge these two with degree of child abuse. Detective bait came into the room and informed Jodie that we were detaining her.

And that's when she was handcuffed. Y'all want me to check things off that prayer, right?

Face, place your head on your back on me, fix your face.

“All right, you're just gonna walk with all of these herhines.”

Let's see, let's go on the right right here. Okay, go ahead and have a seat. Once we transported her back, that's when I held an interview with Ruby Frankie. At one point, you described her sitting and staring off, yeah. Almost like in a trance.

She was just really seemed like she was looking through me. I would ask her a question and she'd give me like three long blanks. Do you want to talk to me about where you live or how many kids you have? So we just spoke with your husband and he said you guys have six kids. We're going to all together and there's only her kids.

I'm like, don't know what to do with that. I don't know if you're telling me something. It's like more as code.

“I can wait all day so it's up to you if you want to talk to us about what's going on.”

Always try to go over here.

So that's where it ended. The Ruby Frankie in that interrogation room is tight-lipped and stone-faced. It's a stark contrast with the animated and highly vocal mommy vlogger that fans saw on her popular YouTube channel, eight passengers. You guys, none of my kids are training wheels.

In 2015 Ruby Frankie monetizes her persona as mother and good woman housewife. Let's have a prayer and she starts this vlog called eight passengers and she was chronicling her life with her six children and her husband Kevin in Utah. There's Sherry and Chad, the two oldest children who are now adults. Then there are two teenage girls in the middle and the two youngest children, E and R.

Ruby which posts of the standard family vlog style of videos, but it did seem like from right off the bat, discipline was kind of a focus. You're still going to have the consequences of not having your nails done for a month. There's the natural, I suppose, challenges the kids are facing all that the parents are facing. You're going to have to selectively neglect something.

And sometimes I have to neglect the kids because Kevin needs attention. They seemed real and relatable and also vulnerable as parents. She had made a name for herself as a Mormon mom influencer, which is a very particular brand. This is the last time we're going to have family prayer in this home. The official name of the church is the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

And the church has always embraced technology as a way of spreading the message, whether it be

radio or television or an out-the-internet and social media. Beyond spreading the message, we're going to go to check out another church. I'm really, really excited. Mommy vlogging or mom influencers can be big business. It's a way for them to potentially support the family's income, which is typically not

that possible when you have a lot of kids and you're encouraged to stay home. It allowed church members to project into the world this image that the church had been teaching for many decades, but now you could do it on social media. Very quickly, eight passengers had millions of viewers for almost all of their videos. But in 2022, Ruby abandoned her popular vlog and joined forces with Jody Hildebrandt,

a therapist who was also the Frankie's marriage counselor. Together, Ruby and Jody became the face of Jody's online life coaching business called Connections. Welcome to Connections. I'm Jody Hildebrandt and I'm Ruby Frankie. We want to have relationships where we feel close and where there's love. But as we all know, what's been packaged and sold on social media isn't necessarily what's happening

in real life. Two young children who at first seemed so loved in those early videos,

somehow ended up starved and abused. I was not prepared for what I saw. When I saw the injuries, it was very alarming. Children don't belong in the hospital. But while Ruby's two youngest children are at the hospital, getting the medical attention they so badly need,

“the question now is, where are Ruby's two other minor children?”

And could they be in danger? On that fateful day of August 30th, 2023.

after being helped captive in Jody Hildebrandt's Ivan's Utah home.

“The other two minor kids are also missing. So police in Springville, Utah,”

three and a half hours north of Ivan's are contacted. They notified us that the two youngest children from the thank you family had been located, but there were two teenage daughters that the whereabouts weren't known. Springville police arrived here at the Frankie home in an urgent search for the two middle children who are teenagers. Police worry they could be in danger too.

Police Department! We received no response from inside the house. Our officers had to just sit there and wait for the warrant. Once we had the warrant, our officers used a ram in order to open the door. Police Department! Pick us up now!

The preliminary search in this case took about five minutes.

This is clear. Our officers did not locate the two unaccounted 14 age daughters and so we conducted a secondary search. Any part of the little may feed a kid can pick. We checked three users, refrigerators. Hey, are we tech garage yet?

Large bags are in the garage. Police searched every corner of the house. But no sign of the teenagers. But as the search ends, 20-year-old Sherry Frankie is able to help police with a lead. Sherry Ruby's oldest daughter, who is away at college,

tips police that one sister is at a local wreck center.

Employees at the wreck center had said that this young woman had left with an adult woman

who they didn't know. Turns out that person had picked up both of the Frankie daughters. It's a business associate of Jody and Ruby's. Pam Bodger. Police are dispatched to her home. Yes, it's more.

Yeah, we do. We just tell them you're all right. Sure enough, the teens are there. And police ask why? She comes over to my house all the time.

The two, visibly unharmed, wait on the porch while Pam is being questioned. Given the evidence of child abuse concerning the other Frankie children, the Department of Child and Family Services now places the teen kids in their care. So even though the two teen daughters are found safe, there are still a series of questions for police.

“At the top of the list, where's the father of the Frankie children?”

So the same day that we placed Ruby for Ankee and Jody under arrest, Kevin also came to the Police Department looking for his kids. Was he considered a suspect? At that time, yes, he was. And so, he is placed in an interrogation room.

Well, I want to pick up my kids. I haven't seen this for over a year. Anything? No, nothing. Between 2022 and 2023, Kevin Frankie has moved out,

Sherry is in college, Chad has also moved out, so it's now Ruby in four children. Was he even aware that the kids were at Jody's house? We don't know if he was. It's clear that he moved out in July of 2022. He was still having therapy with Jody.

It turns out, Jody Hildebrandt was Kevin and Ruby's marriage counselor. They just worked on their marriage like most people do when relationship issues come up.

“Was that part of your business reason for separation?”

The reasons are because of ways that I treated my wife. And some of my own addictions that I was working through and seeing help on with with pornography. Thank you for sharing that. Joey saw that me and Sherry to get help and friendly I agree.

Part of that process was stay away from your children and only respond to Ruby when she contacts you. And did you ever try to reach out to the kids, stop by the home or stay away from them? Have you communicated with your wife regarding my discipline with your kids or their care

or physical well-being? And then, detectives explained to Kevin just how his two youngest children were found earlier that day. A 12 to 13 year old boy was knocking on doors and then they really asked him for food and water.

If he had was, if he was skinned, struggling.

“But the amount of nutrition to not enough food, not enough water, is to stay in life.”

So if he had decided what? After a short break, the police, along with the child advocate, come back into the room. During the interrogation, Kevin appears bewildered, but he also stands by his wife. The next day, Kevin's wife, Ruby, calls him from the purgatory correctional facility.

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known for her tough love parenting advice tonight she is under arrest on suspicion of child abuse. And it's that strict parenting style that seemed to be part of the appeal as her personal brand in those eight passengers videos had evolved from one of family fun to tough love. You're going to lose the privilege to eat dinner. Ruby Frankie built a brand of strict parenting. You see someone who so believes in what they're

doing and that it is right that she's publicizing what she is doing as though it is right. I'm going to take this scissors, look at me, and I'm going to cut its head off.

I'm going to be so mad. Since the arrest of a two million subscriber plus YouTube

mob vlogger, the internet has gone absolutely wild. But perhaps the most striking, most remarkable reaction to Ruby's arrest comes from her oldest daughter, Sherry, seemingly breathing a sigh of relief by posting on her

We've been trying to tell the police and child protective services for years about this

“and so glad they finally decided to step up. It's a major I told you so.”

We're going to step one. When I spoke with Sherry, she had kind of been estranged from her family based on their strict parenting and kind of things that they had put her through. In fact, ABC News has obtained a call that Sherry Frankie made for a welfare check in 2022 when her father was already out of the house, sounding concerned about her siblings. Hi, my name is Sherry Frankie. My boy and my siblings are living in Springville.

And my neighbor told me that they have been left home alone for about four or five days. And so I was curious that someone could go check on us. I know CBS is kind of a couple of times

because of this already, but they never find a problem, but it keeps happening.

So when I have an officer, give you a call back.

“In conjunction with DCFS, we returned to the home. Multiple occasions to try to speak with”

the mother and/or the children, but they wouldn't answer the door. They thought I weren't trying to get into the home. The warrant was not approved. It was frustrating at the time because we weren't able to gather any evidence that criminal activity had occurred. ABC News reached out to DCFS and they declined to comment, citing privacy concerns. Utah's child welfare legislative oversight panel has the authority to investigate cases like this,

but so far no investigation has been opened. The day after her arrest, Ruby is being held at purgatory correctional facility. According to Jail Call Records, she places several calls to Kevin. Ruby seems to be defending

her treatment of their kids. "I do first call, and you know what? I don't have a really hard time

“understanding that children can be full of evil and what that takes excited."”

Then Kevin is heard on the call giving an update on their youngest children. They're going to be in the hospital for three days. "It's all weird. It's just not necessary. The kindest exaggerate this." But despite hearing some of the realities of the situation she's in, Ruby isn't convinced she's in trouble. "Maybe in 10 days, look at out of this, Satan has taken everything right

for me that I love and I'm a good woman. I don't do not eat things. I'm a really good girl." Before Jodi Hilldbrand entered the Frankie's lives and before Kevin Sherry and Chad moved out, there had been signs that the wheels were coming off the eight passengers well presented and tighten it family. "My bedroom was taken away for seven months and when you give it back like a couple weeks ago." "I don't think her viewers know that." "You're sleeping on a bean bag."

"I'm going to sleep on a bean bag." "I'm going to sleep on a bean bag." LDS kids are raised with the sense of being obedient, that there are morals that there are standards that they should follow, that if you follow those standards, your life will be happier and you'll be safer, but church leaders have been consistent and unequivocal in recent years in terms of

condemning abuse of any kind. "There was an outcry after viewers of eight passengers became worried when Ruby posted about her youngest daughter for getting her school lunch. "I just got a text message from teacher and she said that did not pack a lunch today. She's just going to need to be hungry." Viewers elevate their concerns and in May of 2020 a change dot org petition with about 18,000

signatures circulates, urging child protective services to investigate the Frankies. As the online chat or grows louder and news of the change dot org petition gets out, criticism of Ruby escalates and becomes more aggressive she claims. Ruby and Kevin Frankie were getting death runs. They had someone completely hooded, go up to their door and leave a note with a threatening message.

You start to see the family distancing themselves from the video lens. It went from multiple videos a day to tampering off and you only saw one every couple of weeks. By 2023, the eight passengers' YouTube channel had all but disappeared. But not before things would get even darker for the Frankie family and for the woman who would soon be seen as the wedge driving them apart.

As police dive deeper into the tangled web of family dysfunction within the Frankie family,

when Jody Hildebrandt, the therapist who ran the online life coaching business connections,

“entered the picture. Welcome to the empowering joy class. I'm Jody Hildebrandt.”

But just who is Jody Hildebrandt? Jody Hildebrandt was a licensed therapist who worked mostly with Mormon couples and families. Her primary clientele was from 12 steps. Alcoholics anonymous. You have sex addiction anonymous. She had a great reputation. Jody ran her own practice in the Salt Lake City area and according to former clients, many of her referrals came from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

So I was seen Jody because my former husband and I had various of your marital issues and I told him that I wouldn't stay with him unless we could seek counseling.

Stephanie Jones is a former patient of Jody Hildebrandt. She says at first,

Jody's counseling sessions were going well. The first time I met with Jody, she seemed

“very kind and understanding and very charismatic. I thought that Jody was going to solve”

everything and we were going to have a happy marriage. As I met with her longer, then it became clear that there were certain things I couldn't say to her if it didn't fall in line with what she taught. Stephanie says that things really took a dark turn during Jody's group counseling sessions. In the group sessions, it was like a public shaming room so you had to write down if you kept your commitments to yourself, things like that and if your numbers were not good enough,

then she would write you over the calls. Others in Jody's group say they also felt uneasy. We've been group sessions and she would call out people like this is distortion or cut them off and be little them and she would amasculate men in a massive way. There were complaints from other men in the group sessions as well. Although pornography addiction is not recognized as a

“disorder by the American Psychiatric Association, a lot of clients sought Jody out for that. But”

some like former patient Adam Steed and ex-member of the church say she had extreme views on how to treat porn addiction. Back then I used to say I had a porn problem because in Mormonism if you've ever looked at pornography in your life you have a porn problem like ever even if it was for 10 seconds and Jody figured out how to exploit that. With Jody you look at it one time and you're an addict. Oh your husband looked at porn, have him sleep on the couch downstairs. He masturbates,

couch, he doesn't more than once, he should move out like most women in my group were separated from their husbands or they were at least sleeping in separate bedrooms. And in the case of Adam Steed, he says Jody ruined his marriage and his reputation telling lies about him. So it's group therapy, when does it turn? What she did is she took our wives and started lying to them by telling them that we were confessing to all sorts of crazy sexual things in the guy's group. Jody Hildebrandts

called me a child pedophile and child rapist. Adam's marriage eventually ended through her attorney Adam's ex-wife declined a comment. Eventually he reported Jody Hildebrandt to the state of Utah for acting onethically as a counselor. Jody was subpoenaed by Adam Steed and she was shocked. The context of it was that she had reached out to bring him young university and told them about what she had seen in her clinical office. It didn't ring true at all that she had done this.

Because there's such strong ethical guidelines as a therapist that you never would disclose

to any outside entity. In 2012, Utah's division of professional licensing or Doppel put Jody's counseling license on an 18-month probation, finding she'd been sharing confidential information about Adam with the Mormon Church and Brigham Young University. Information which Adam says got him expelled from his college and the church in 2009. We reached out to BYU but citing federal privacy laws, they said they could not comment. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

tells us Jody was removed from a community resource list of therapists in 2012. When her license was put on probation, what was your reaction? I was surprised they didn't revoke her license. But Hildebrandt's career survives the incident and she actually expands her brand, launching that online life coaching program. Connections. Welcome to Connections. I'm Jody Hildebrandt. So glad you're with us. Connections is the solution. In 2020, that's when Ruby Frankie

hires Jody as a marriage counselor and later starts appearing in Connections videos and podcasts.

both professionally and personally. In fact, at one point Jody had a crisis of her own in her home

and while Kevin was initially hesitant, he was convinced by Ruby to help Jody out. Jody began to live in the home with him and at that point, that's kind of when Kevin says there was a shift in their marriage because Jody really integrated herself and she would go on their

“anniversary dinners. She would just she would just be there. Does that strike you with odd?”

Yes, because how many marriage counselors move in with the couple? I don't know of any. Let alone go on their anniversary dinners. And according to investigators, all this, driving a wedge between Ruby and her husband Kevin. Jody began to say that Kevin was dealing with lust issues and addictions and for that, he needed to be separate from Ruby. You see a complete disintegration of the Frankie family. Kevin Frankie has left. He has moved out.

She leaves her two teen girls back in the springle home and she essentially moves in with the family therapist, taking her to youngest children with her in Ivan's Utah. Investigators say it was this bizarre living situation that police are trying to unravel

“as they process this house of horrors, but so many questions remain. What would possess a mother”

to subject her kids to this kind of abuse? Could the clues lie in a journal police have uncovered? A journal belonging to Ruby Frankie. But nothing would read quite as ominously as a message written with rocks by her abuse son. Where he had been sleeping outside, he had left in rocks, a statement. We were shocked when we come back. If you like your true crime, like you like your coffee, red handed is the podcast for you. It's dark, intense and might just keep you up all night.

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The star-studied cast, return. Something we get this wake-ups. You all got to unite. I'll drink to that. If you're going to rise up and rule the world, you better get yourself a damn sense of humor. FX is AHS-13, premier September 24th on FX and Hulu. Everybody thinks they know what happened in the case of Ruby Frankie, but what we thought we know was just the tip of the iceberg. Clear? Police in, buddy! Whoa! What goes through your mind when you see this? I mean, handcuffs, clearly can be a torture device. We knew 14 almost 15 years ago that she's already

done this to me. Joody, are you set out? Joody is an incredibly powerful terrifying woman.

Welcome to your connections, glad you're with us. I'm Joody Hildebrands, and I'm Ruby Frankie. Both Ruby Frankie and Joody Hildebrandt convinced these children that they had done atrocious acts. When you're told you're a terrible person, you start to believe it. Ruby seems to express zero sympathy for what she's putting her children through. It was unlike anything that we've ever seen. It's all about power. It's all about control. Dehumanizing. Dehumanizing. Dehumanizing.

We have zero reason to believe that this abuse would have stopped short of death. Like ZERO. The parenting influence are charged with child abuse, facing child abuse charges today in Utah. Our use is seeing mom Ruby Frankie as an influencer, but we're now seeing her as an inmate. Ruby Frankie is set to appear in court today. So September 8th, 2023. The little more than

a week after she's been arrested. We see Ruby Frankie for the first time, not as a mom influencer,

but she appears publicly in court. Miss Frankie, can you hear me? Yes.

court appearances, investigators are still trying to learn what exactly happened in Jody's home.

“Where Ruby's nine and twelve-year-old children who we're calling E and R were staying.”

Jody Hildebrandt's house is just over there at the base of this red rock paradise. Ironically called Hellhole Canyon, fitting perhaps given the unimaginable abuse that investigators are uncovering. Everybody thinks they know what happened in the case of Ruby Frankie, but you're about to release a bunch of evidence that shows what we thought we know was just the tip of the iceberg. It blew my mind when I saw it. This isn't just a case of a social media

influencer like pushing boundaries. The abuse is much worse than people are aware of.

When we were able to interview the kids for the second time, that's when our shared

“his side of the story of what happened inside the home. How we had to stand in the sun for hours”

a day and sleep outside. How he was deprived of food and water. How he was forced to carry boxes up and downstairs all day. Him and E had to go to the cemetery barefoot and pick up weeds out in the heat. In a video taken by a bystander and later provided to police, you can see R in that cemetery. It gets to be 110 degrees. The ground at that point would be hotter than the air and his feet had blisters on them. His arms burned. R told you that he had had a birthday that year.

What was he made to do on his birthday? He said that on his birthday, he had to stand outside all day in the baking heat. Yes. What about E? He was more reserved.

First, he wanted to share much. She didn't go in too much. Much detail.

It took a while before E finally opened up and at one point, she described how that she was forced to steal water. Ruby and Jodi would watch her in the shower. When she brushed her teeth, they would turn off the water because that's when she would steal water. Normally, kids outgrow their clothes. She had lost so much weight that she had actually the clothes were too big to fit on her.

So in R's interview, he disclosed that there was a set of silver handcuffs used and a set of black handcuffs used. So when we found these items, it really corroborated our story.

“Well, what goes through your mind when you see this?”

I'll never look at handcuffs the same again because we've seen the injuries that these

caused. The prosecutor showed us photographs of the deep wounds from the handcuffs, what he describes as torture. We want to warn you, the image you're about to see is graphic. And then you're starting to see the worst injuries. The ones that just really hit you. This is like injury on top of injury. This was happening for weeks. In Jodi Hildebrandt's house, not just handcuffs, but even a trampoline used an extreme

heat could be a torture device. Our in his interview disclosed that he was forced to jump on a trampoline for eight to 10 hours a day out in the sun. We went back to the scene and on the trampoline, there was the calcite buildup from him just sweating on that trampoline. It confirms his story of unspeakable torture. Yeah. So right here you're seeing R. S. He approaches the neighbor's home on the day that he ran away. And you can see how small and how visible his bones are even on his

legs. This is R's back and you can see both how skinny he is in his arms and how far out his shoulder blades stick. And these are obvious signs of malnutrition, of starvation. Yeah. When you think of R and that escape, how much courage did that take? This whole thing came to life because of R. If we're going to go to the neighbor after neighbor, we're finding known home, then finding the third one, someone answered the door to tell him, "Hey, I need help."

He's hungry and he's thirsty. That shows how brave he is. He's the hero of this whole thing. And there's the obvious question. Were there signs along the way? Anything that could have

“stopped this from happening? In the Frankie family, remember the oldest child, Sherry,”

had tried to raise the alarm that something was a miss with that welfare check. But there was another warning. This one about Jody, years earlier, from someone inside her family, who's ready to share their story now. We knew 14 almost 15 years ago that she's already done this to me. When I began covering this story, I went to Seattle to meet 30-year-old Jesse Hilderbrand,

who's a tattoo artist there. Who is Jody Hilderbrand to you? Jody is my dad's sister, so she's my aunt. Jesse, who uses they then pronouns, is also in a accomplished musician. Jesse says their experience with Jody echoes that of Ruby Frankie's two youngest children.

“Jody is an incredibly powerful terrifying woman. For the longest time I never thought about going”

forward because I've had almost 15 years of people telling me to get over it, to move on,

stopping a victim, where I had finally the validation of what happened in the validation of my story.

In 2009, Jesse was a teenager living in California with their parents and three siblings. I grew up in a very traditional Mormon household. Dad is the provider and my mom is at stay at home. I'm very good at home making cookies and homemade meals. When I was growing up, I very much believed in the church. I was devout, but I also was very curious, and so I wasn't afraid of asking questions at a lot of frustration. I was so

angsty and angry. I started running away. I had a lot of interpersonal relationship issues with my dad,

“and my mother, and that goes to the Mormon culture at large of this stay sweet,”

never rocking the boat, never challenging authority. Jesse describes themselves as being a rebellious

teenager. In part because of the upbringing, this Mormon upbringing where you know, make up and caffeine and going out are all known us. A major turning point in their life, Jesse says, was during a trip to their grandparents' 50th anniversary party in Utah. Jesse was 15. I got into a fight with my mom over like silly teenager things. She wanted me to the dishes. I didn't want to do the dishes. She took my phone, just normal, angry, teenage stuff.

And I went downstairs to my aunt's basement, and fell asleep woke up to a knock on the door. It was Jody and my grandma and grandpa, and to tell me that my family had left, and that I wasn't going with him, and that my life, as I knew it, was about to change. Jesse's parents leave their teenager with Jody. I'm shaking and crying, and I don't know how to

process this, but first she stripped me of identity, so I had to cut all my hair off. I wasn't

a lot of where makeup, I wasn't allowed to wear the clothes that I had. I was not allowed to go to school. She would block me in this room and write it out that it sends on a paper. She would have me kneel on the floor on my hands and knees and beg for forgiveness. Jody uses people's spirituality and belief in God against them. She shames people if they question her. When you're told by the one person in your life because everybody else has been thrown out that you're a terrible person

and that you deserve all the bad things that are happening to you. You start to believe it. Jody was convinced that I had had abortions, that I was a sex addict. I wasn't allowed to use tampons, because she was convinced I was masturbating with them and at that point in my life, I didn't even know what that meant. I wasn't allowed to be alone in the restroom. I had to keep the door open and who's monitoring Jody. We spoke to a family member who said they saw you

with duct tape on your face. She duct taped me. I wasn't allowed to speak to anyone. What in theory was the justification for the duct tape? The duct tape was, in her words,

it hurts, is a masterful manipulator. So even if I wasn't duct taped, if I was at a church function

“and someone came up and spoke to me directly, I had to just stare at them.”

But things got even worse. She made me sleep outside in the snow. In a sleeping bag, I started fantasizing about jumping off her balcony, about breaking my legs, about stabbing myself, about anything I could do that would just give me some escape. After trying to run away a couple of times, Jesse says it only intensified Jody's punishments. She ripped me off the love seat by my hair, blindfolded me, threw me in the car,

tied my feet and my hands. What in theory was the justification for what you say is being blindfolded and bound in the back of a car? The delusion that she has that this is like saving me and her belief that God is literally working through her. It's all about power. It's all about control. In 2010, Jesse held the grant goes to police and says that there is extreme mental abuse. In the police report, Jesse describes Jody's treatment of them and requested a referral to a

safe house, which the police provided. They ask for help. They ask for police to do something. The report is closed. We contacted American folk police who said they can only comment on what is in the police report. The breaking point, Jesse says, came after they'd lived with Jody for nearly a year. So during the week, I would go to work with her and because I wasn't in school. At the time, Jody had a counseling practice in the Salt Lake City area. She would put me in this

little room off the side of her office and I would be in there up to 12 hours a day and one day I just walked in there and this teenage girl was sitting there and just said to Jody,

“gosh, what is that? Teenage you're doing in there. I think this is the third day.”

For hours on it. Jody got very, I would say, agitated and said, don't talk to her. All I thought was that's odd. One of her colleagues had found this jacket and it was like a reversible windbreaker raincoat. It was cold in the basement. And so you put that coat in there knowing she's cold.

Yeah. And I had this like moment where I was like, if I don't leave now, I'm never getting out.

And I grabbed that jacket and I literally just started running. Jesse says they ended up staying in a homeless shelter and slowly began the process of healing. After news broke of Jody and Ruby's arrests, Jesse reached out to investigators in Utah, who say Jesse's story mirror Jody's treatment of Ruby Frankie's two youngest kids. Why was

“Jesse's story important to this case as a prosecutor? All of the things that Jody did to Jesse,”

which I totally believe Jesse on were the things that happened early on in the abuse last summer in our community to R&E. So it shows a pattern of behavior and of control, the behavior, the brainwashing, the manipulation. In hindsight, had Jesse's story been believed. Could this have been avoided? Had Jesse's story been believed and people had known about it. I'm not an expert on those standards. Jody's license to practice as a therapist shouldn't have remained

in place. And we would all of them better off. But now nearly 15 years after Jesse's escape, it's one of Ruby's children who's run away too and he's left behind a message for everyone to see. Where he had been sleeping outside, he had left in rocks, a statement. From the very beginning of Mormonism, Latterty Saints were encouraged to keep journals there's a kind of sacred duty in recording your life. The journaling is an act of gratitude

to God. It's an act of devotion. Ruby Frankie was among those practicing that sacred duty, but according to prosecutors, her journal was no list of ordinary or mundane life events. Instead,

it would be a game changer for the investigation. Let's talk about Ruby's journal.

How was it discovered when we did the second search warrant of the home? We found a blue folder

At the start of the journal, it's R's 12th birthday. She writes, "I told R that he

“emulates a snake. He slithers and sneaks around. If he wants to emulate the savior,”

he needs to be 100% obedient with exactness." 7, 11, 23, Tuesday, R was told to stand in the sun with the sun hat he is defiant. I come back with a cactus poker. When I poke his back to get in the sun, R doesn't even flinch. He had been through so much pain. You could just see his paint tolerance was, you know, through the roof. It's on 7, 14, 23, E refuses to work. Screams has hair shaved off.

It's the taking away their identity dehumanizing, dehumanizing.

In the journal, Ruby describes her children, R and E, with words like demon, devil, possessed, insisting that they must repent. Both Ruby, Frankie, and Jody Hill, the brand, convinced these children that they had done atrocious acts, and that this repentance process required them to do severe acts of punishment. She clearly feels like her children had not only been like possessed by evil spirits, but were embracing that possession and celebrating that evil

mess inside of them. And so she clearly felt justified in doing anything. Ruby seems to express zero sympathy for what she's putting her children through. When E was outside today, it was hot. She acted like she was dying. So pitiful. There was no emotion there. There was a disconnect from, you know, a typical mother in a child. It's something to hear it from our. It's another to read Ruby's own account of it.

Yeah, in her own words. That and itself must have been shocking. It was just crazy. It was unlike anything that we've ever seen. All you can think at that moment is, holy, like we've got them. This is clear intent, clear knowledge of the abuse that is documented by Ruby herself. She was not only justifying her behavior, but she believed that her behavior was acceptable behavior, and that God was approving it.

The twisted logic that's going on in her mind. As for Jody Hildebrandt, she's referred to throughout the journal as G-Joe. So it was my understanding that was like grandma, Joe, like Jody, so G-Joe. She says, G-Joe helped me intervene after work. I cut more off E's head. We doused her with water in the dog wash. Yeah. So G-Joe is implicated throughout the journal. Yeah, it really shows that both of them were very involved with the corporal punishment and physical emotional abuse.

By mid-July, 2023, the abuse is so bad that R runs away in a first failed attempt.

Ruby writes, "At 245 AM, I woke straight up out of bed straight up. I couldn't see R. He was gone." Where he had been sleeping outside, he had left in rocks. The statement saying, "Jail,

“I will call when I get there." They told these kids that you have to repent first.”

And then you're going to jail. And so that's why he said, "I'm much rather just go to jail now." Ruby writes, "Oh God, oh Father, we need a miracle. We need your help now. Send the host of heaven." She's praying her guts out and driving around in a panic and they're all just terrified. Ruby and Jody split up in separate cars to search for R. After 15 minutes of driving, Ruby finds him walking on the road and she writes, "I get out of the car. R is shocked to see me."

And at that point, that's when he started to become handcuffed and bound so that he wouldn't escape again. If all this is an upsetting enough, then Ruby reveals something else in her writings, a plan to leave the state with her kids and Jody and Tone.

“One of the things that terrifies me in that journal is how she talks about how important it is for them”

to move to a house on a larger rep property. In Arizona. In Arizona, on a ranch style property.

The need to get these kids to open land. Pop. We will drop them like hot potatoes out in the desert.

They're new home." And why does that terrify you? Because if that had happened, we have zero reason to believe that this abuse would have stopped short of death. Like zero.

“How bulletproof was this case as you were heading towards trial?”

It's not that often that you have one of the two code of fendons cataloging their criminal acts that they're doing.

So as their case moves closer to trial, prosecutors are preparing what their evidence might be,

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Purgatory. In some religious traditions it's a place between heaven and hell, but it's also the name of the jail where Ruby Frankie and Jody Hildbrand are being held without bail, facing up to six charges of aggravated child abuse each. This is a call from and paid for by 30 Hildbrands. An evening at Purgatory Correctional Simity, this call is subject to recording and monitoring.

We frequently monitor Joe House calls on cases because a lot of people say stuff that you can use in trials. Jody gets in there and starts saying things like, you know, I don't know why I'm here. I should be here. I haven't done anything wrong. I can't believe what I'd been accused of. I just can't believe I just can't believe it. Two, this must be part of God's bigger plan.

Like what's a better example than to go to prison just like, and then go to the gospel. Two, like it's the it's these rotten kids fall. We didn't do that. Those pictures we did not do. He did that to himself. Yes, if we put that on him and then he rubbed around and cut himself. Yes, but we didn't do that. So what does that tell you about her mindset? It's

troubling at least to hear someone justified the type of abuse that we know happened. And it continued to try to convince others that everything that she was doing was the right thing. In the weeks following their arrests, Ruby and Jody claim innocence on the charges against them.

“And remember, when police first question Ruby's husband Kevin, he stands by her.”

And just to be clear as day, Kevin initially was considered a suspect. In that circumstance he's going to be considered a suspect.

However, two weeks later, police call Kevin in for a second interview.

And this time, instead of defending his wife, Kevin has a change of heart. Every week was just hell, the psychological hell, and Jody was running it. I can't describe to you what tortured and hell it was to live an entire, it was more than a mockeryly and completely isolation, believing that I was like evil. You going through that is going to be extremely helpful with f***ing a f***ing this.

The main difference between that interview and the first interview is he now knows what his children have been subjected to. That his wife Ruby and Jody had done some terrible things. And at that point his willingness to protect his wife and keep her from getting in further trouble was removed. He was more concerned about his children. They became clear that he wasn't really a person of interest.

And he was off the hook pretty quickly. He was off the hook pretty quickly, because there was 90 evidence. We had a journal saying everything that happened in the home over the summer,

and it never said he was in the home.

Kevin is no longer on investigators' list of suspects. He's now reconciling with his two oldest and once estranged children, Sherry and Chad. And he's fighting to regain custody of his youngest four. Kevin also files for divorce from Ruby. Meanwhile, Ruby faces the possibility of spending Christmas in jail. Prosecutors monitoring her calls since she's also starting to see things differently.

Could Ruby be ready to flip? This has been strangest and the most miraculous intervention. It could everybody where they needed to be. It separated me from Jody, so I'm not hearing her.

“And I think just being gone and not hearing her has cleared a lot of things that for me.”

By listening to the jailhouse calls, we were able to determine that Ruby Frankie,

that the more time she was away from Jody Hilderbrand, the more understanding that she had of the injuries to her own children, that she was able to express remorse regret and that she wanted it then help with the case. She was willing to admit that what she did was awful and that she was going to plead to a pretty strict plea deal.

Ms. Frankie is now here. But also, she was willing to testify against Jody. Yeah, that's a big deal. [music playing] Ruby did so quite in the last bit, like a rescue, that could just stop.

So many injuries around her. It just worked over your piece. Summer has turned to fall, has turned to winter, and prosecutors are learning that as the seasons have changed, Ruby's story might be changing too. Ms. Frankie is now here. It was our understanding that Ruby felt that the right thing to do at that point was to accept

responsibility for her own conduct, and the Jody should do the same. And if that meant for Ruby to testify against Jody Hildebrand, she would do that. On December 18th, 2023, Ruby pleads guilty

to four-second-degree felony charges of aggravated child abuse. The remaining two charges are dropped.

“Ms. Frankie, how do you plead to count one aggravated child abuse?”

Guilty. To count three aggravated child abuse. To count five aggravated child abuse. Guilty. And to count six aggravated child abuse. With my deepest regret and sorrow for my family and my children guilty. The stakes for Jody were higher because Ruby was now going to testify against her,

and we were seriously looking at adding additional charges. But that would not come to pass. On December 27th, 2023, Jody, knowing that her former friend and business partner was willing to testify against her, she also pleads guilty to the same four charges of aggravated child abuse. For therefore, I dismisses the remaining two counts.

“What did you think when you heard the Jody was going to take a plea?”

I was relieved because I didn't want to have to drag the victims through all of this. Thank you. We'll be in recess. The plea bargain was that we would drop two of the six charges and they had to agree to plead to four counts and that they would serve prison for each count and that those counts would run consecutively, not concurrently.

codependence roles in the abuse. Although in recognition of Ruby's cooperation in the case,

prosecutors make one small concession. Regarding the terms of her parole. Ruby's plea deal said that she would testify against Jody

“and we would not go to the parole board. Are you in that she stay in prison longer?”

So you wouldn't put the finger on the scale for her to stay in prison more. I was left to believe that this round was in a place filled with church leaders who lying unless husbands who refuse to protect and children who need abused are standing for her to deliver to take accountability. To my baby, once it's finished, we're a part of me. I was the Mama Black. She was consistent and I didn't want her to save me. I can see none. I wanted

me as per my ears. I wasn't able to come up with us to danger. Jody's sentencing was decidedly different. When Jody made a statement at the time of sentencing,

she never once said she was taken responsibility for a condicer that she did anything wrong.

Go ahead. I sincerely love these children. I desire for them to heal physically and emotionally. I hope and prayer is that they will heal and move forward to have beautiful lives. I am willing to submit to what the state feels will be inappropriate amount of time served to make a distribution. Compared to Ruby who had accepted at some level responsibility,

“I think the judge was concerned that Jody was not taken responsibility.”

Is he the brand? This circumstance is tragic. It's largely of course of your making. Adults are supposed to protect children. Adults with specialized training in particular are supposed to protect children. In this case, you terrorize children and the results have been tragic. The court finds that it is appropriate that you serve a prison sentence. The Utah Board of Partons and Parole will determine how long the end of spending in prison.

And from what we know of the level of felony that both Ruby, Frankie, and Jody, Hilda, Brent, played guilty to. They can get anywhere from four years in prison to 30 years. What does justice look like in this case? To me, justice in this case looks like them not coming out of prison until the child victims are adult and grown enough that they can handle them being out.

For Jody's niece, Jesse, the possibility their aunt could be released on parole before the 30-year maximum prison sentence seems like justice denied. The sentence is a joke. Even if it is the law, it doesn't feel like closure at all. Because now, every time there's a parole hearing, I have to be there. Those children have to

“relive that trauma. I believe that she is a very dangerous, dangerous person,”

that she cannot be trusted with anyone. Children and adults alike, I think Jody is exactly where she needs to be. While Jody's fate is beyond Jesse's control, that still hasn't stopped them from finding a way forward. You said that Jody stripped you of your identity. Clearly, you've regained your identity and see how a fashion. Who is Jesse Hilda brand today? I'm a tattoo artist, and a painter, and musician, and want to experience

all the things that the world has to offer. If I could wake up tomorrow, never think about her.

I mean, that would just be the greatest in my life. The question is, what does tomorrow look like for the Frankie Children? What we see in this story, people can be given too much power. People can start to believe

In resolving this case, we wanted to make sure that both Jody Hilda brand and Ruby Frankie

“would not be able to injure any other child. I also hope that Ruby can be reformed”

and can come out and not be about influence on the kids. And then it should be a hundred percent up to each of the victims individually, whether they choose to have a relationship or not. Through his attorney, Kevin Frankie tells us, in hindsight, much like some of her other clients, it was Jody who falsely convinced him he had a problem with pornography.

In January of 2024, Kevin Frankie filed a restraining order to block the sale of Jody Hilda

brand's house. In the filing, he's asking for restitution to pay for the ongoing psychological care

“of the kids. And what can you tell us about how R and E are doing now and what road lies ahead for them?”

Last time we saw them, it's a 180, E and R, they look so much better, they've put on weight, they look healthy, they're happy, they're, you know, back to their hobbies. We're told E and R have been placed together in foster care. As for their siblings, the middle

teens ABC News reached out to the Department of Child and Family Services, citing privacy policies,

they told us they can't share any information. Kevin does want custody of the kids, he has made inroads, he wants a relationship with his four minor children.

“R is a hero of a lot of people in our office and it gives us such great examples of someone who is just”

resilient against the awful things. R was extremely brave, not only did he say to himself, but he saved E and in E's own interview, she was grateful for R. I see a little boy that saved himself even though everyone around him should have had his back. Jessie Hildbrandt is 15 years ahead of R and E in the healing process and is able to gather strength after Jodi has been found guilty and is behind bars.

I hope that the shocking nature of this story doesn't blind people to the commonality of the story. It's easy to distance ourselves from something that seems so shocking and feel like it has nothing to do with you or your community. Treat your kids, like angels, treat them like you, treat yourself, kids need our help, helping them become good human beings, people that will be good parents in the future.

We should note tonight that in Utah the parole board actually determines the sentence while the inmate is serving time based on their behavior. So both Ruby Frankie and Jodi Hildbrandt could be eligible for parole as early as August 2027. That's our program for tonight. Thanks so much for watching. I'm Deborah Roberts. I've David Muir from all of us here at 2020 in ABC News. Good night. And you can find all new broadcast episodes of 2020 Friday nights at 9 on ABC.

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