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The South Carolina Supreme Court just issued a stunning unanimous ruling overturning the 2023 double murder convictions of Alex Murdaugh. In this episode of “Case by Case”, “48 Hours” correspondent An...

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There was dramatic news this week about one of the most high pro-file murder cases in years. On Wednesday, the South Carolina Supreme Court overturned the 2023 convictions and consecutive life sentences of Alec Murdoch for the murders of his wife Maggie and son Paul in 2021. Murdoch who had been a prominent and wealthy attorney in the state will be granted a new trial after the court found that his original trial was marred by the quote improper influence

of Colton County Clerk Rebecca Hill. Hill actually read out the jury's verdict in that original trial. guilty verdict signed by the 4-lady 3223. The State Supreme Court's unanimous ruling this week found that Rebecca Hill, known as Becky, quote "place to her fingers on the scales of justice by attacking Murdoch's credibility to the jurors. Here's one of those jurors who was asked about Hill at a 2024 hearing. "Was your verdict influenced in any way by the communications

of the clerk of court in this case?" "Yes ma'am." "And how was it influenced?" "To me, it felt like she made it seem like she was already guilty." But another juror told NBC on Wednesday

that she never felt Hill was trying to push an agenda or push her to a certain verdict.

Maggie and Paul Murdoch were shot and killed on the Murdoch family of state. Murdoch testified in his own defense and has continued to maintain his innocence. He did plead guilty to financial crimes. Here to discuss the latest developments in the Murdoch case is University of South Carolina School of Law Professor, Colin Miller, Colin thanks for joining us. "Oh thanks for having me." So first off we're going to start off with just how unusual is this to have a conviction overturned

because of the behavior of a clerk at the courthouse. "It is exceedingly rare. I'm currently working on a wrongful conviction case out of North Carolina. The jury in that case was hung and while they were hung, the bailiff for the judge told the jury, the judge in this case doesn't accept a hung jury. And so we're currently appealing and I looked across the country for cases where comments by a court official led to a conviction being reversed. I only found one case at a Tennessee where the

jury was also hung and a bailiff made it inappropriate comments to the jury. So this almost never

happens across the country." This is interesting in response to the ruling. South Carolina's attorney general said that the clerk's conduct was inappropriate but it was ultimately harmless. And some of the jurors spoke about whether or not they were influence, but what's your take on that? "My take is the focus of the attorney general was the evidence presented at trial, which he was convinced made a compelling case for guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

In my mind, the states are pre-incorrectly focused upon the inappropriate nature of a court official telling the jury watches demeanor while he testifies. Don't let the prosecution be defeated by kind of the lies of the defense. And so the whole goal of the American criminal

justice system is a jury of someone's peers impartially deciding the case. And I think the focus

by the court on the inappropriate nature of this was absolutely the correct way to go. Anyone who's interested in true crime knows about this case. Why do you think so many people are

Interested in the saga of the Murdox?

see historically. We don't see as much now. And that is a very powerful, big fish family in a small

town here in Colton County in South Carolina. And they ruled the roost for decades in terms of government, private business, etc. And so there's that part of it. And then second, there's this whole family dynamic. This kind of southern Gothic field, almost at a William Faulkner novel where you have all these strange relations and crimes committed by this family. And this question of whether it was a smoke and mirrors attempt by Alec to misdirect from his own crimes to commit these

murders. And so all of that, the salacious nature and the power imbalance in this county, I think makes for much watch TV and must listen podcast. Absolutely. I think if you were to write the tale of them, you would say it was too unbelievable. Just to remind people, he did plead guilty, Alts Murdox did plead guilty to financial charges. He was charged, there was an array of charges, defrauding victims to the tune of $12 million. So he pled guilty to these financial charges. And

that's why he's actually not going to be released, even though this murder conviction had been

overturned. He's currently serving concurrent state and federal sentences of 27 and 40 years

for those charges. But Murdox has also maintained that he never killed his wife and he never killed his

son. What's important to know before we move forward about where things are right now? What's important to know about the original murder trial in 2023? The state would say the most critical piece of evidence was this, Alec Murdox claimed at the time of the murders he was with his mother, who I believe is suffering from dementia. Shortly before the murders the son Paul had done a snapshot recording and the prosecution argued to the jury that Alex voice was on that snapshot

recording at the family compounds by the dog kennels where these murders took place. And so for

this state this was the critical piece of evidence showing he lied about his location and in fact he

was at the scene of the crime shortly before the murders. Right and that's the defense argues that that's actually pretty weak and I don't think they ever found the murder weapon or anything anything like that. And so the defense does appeal and what they claim is that the county clerk of court

tampered with the jury. What I should ask you is of course what does the county clerk do?

Yeah the county clerk, they're kind of the command center of the court room. They are managing what's going on. Sapena's being sent out so witnesses can appear reading the verdict which Becky Hill did in this case managing the jury is doing all of the administrative duties that helped the courtroom run. So in that role is it conceivable that you would chitchat with the jury you would have like some sort of casual conversation or is that normally not done at all?

Normally not done at all other than giving them their marching orders, right? So anything administrative fair game for communications between the clerk and the jurors beyond that anything having to do with the evidence, the testimony, the parties strictly forbidden. So can we talk a little bit about what the clerk is accused of saying, right? There's like several different instances when Alec Murdoch is going to testify. She says something like, oh this is

going to be epic. Something along those lines. And she says, I don't know if she says it to all the jurors, but she says, watch his body language. What could she be inferring and why could that be problematic? Yeah. And so in addition to the comments, she mentions another juror said a comment

about it. Don't let the defense fool you. And so I think in combination with the comments and demeanor

and behavior, I think at least some jurors interpreted that to mean his body language is going to show

The lies across this forehead.

is a guilty man trying to prove his innocence to you. And that according to the defense and the states are pre-emport likely led to the jury not being impartial in assessing his testimony.

And I think the defense also suggested that Hill, the clerk had an ulterior motive, right?

She was planning on writing a book. What she did? Absolutely. And so there claim by the defense is she was incentivized to grease the wheels on a guilty verdict because that would allow her to publish this book, what she did and profit from it. Of course, she denies this, but that was absolutely the allegation by the defense. Right. So the defense presented their allegations in September of

2023. At first it looked like it was going to be an uphill battle for the defense in early 2024,

a state judge said a very high bar for evidence that Hill tampered with the jury. And then rule that the defense couldn't prove that anything Hill had done had actually influenced the jury or prejudiced the jury in any way. But then over the course of the next year, a lot came to light about Hill's actions. And this is when we're really learning the details. What did we learn about some of what Hill, not what she said, but something that she did that really caused her,

I guess caused the focus to sort of zoom in on her. She inappropriately shared photos connected to the crime, disclosed information that was supposed to remain under seal and to the point areas earlier, when this first judge heard the case, this was interesting. Actually, the former chief justice of the South Carolina Supreme Court Jean toll. And it was found that she lied during her testimony before justice toll regarding how she had handled the evidence. When in fact, she had improperly

leaked this and presented it to the public when it was supposed to remain under seal.

She showed a member of the media, I think. Right. And then light about it. So then there's

perjury as well. She eventually pleaded guilty to those charges, the charges obstruction of justice and perjury for lying, as well as two counts of misconducting office and taking bonuses and promoting through her public office of books that she wrote on the trial. All of these charges were felonies. She did plead guilty. She apologized for her behavior. Which also tell listeners what happened with this book. Becky Hill apparently said in kind of a casual conversation to somebody

in the courthouse that she hopes that there's a guilty burden because it would be really good for her book sales. So she did write the book. It's called Behind the Doors of Justice, the Murdock Murders, but she was hoping to maybe use the proceeds to buy a lake house. She said, probably not going to happen. Becky Hill's book was pulled from publication after her co-author discovered that she actually plagiarized portions of the text. Have you come across many clerks who

have written books about the trials they have worked? Never. There's been a few judges who have

handled high profile cases who have written about it. I've never heard of a bailiff for a click of court doing so. It's not a good look for the clerk, but it doesn't necessarily prove that she tampered with the jury. Right. There was a hearing earlier this year. I want to play some of what they argued. This is Murdock's defense attorney. His name is Dick Harpout Leon. So this matter we're discussing this morning. A fair trial. A jury not poisoned by outside influences.

I would submit to you is 51 years ago as I stood there. I did not realize what I was swering to do, but I do today. And that is to defend Alec Murdock's right to a fair trial.

And I've got to admit in the 51 years since then, I've never seen a factual pattern like this

where the cork of court, where the cork of court sets out to influence the verdict, to get a

guilty verdict for financial gain. So Colin, I think the last line there, you know, where he says

a clerk of court sets out to influence the verdict, to get a guilty verdict for financial gain is kind of like the crux of their argument. She did this for the money. She did this to sell a book. But there needs to be proof that the jury was actually influenced. It's one thing I think to have loose talk, but it's another thing for the jury to say that affected the outcome of the case, which I think is a little harder to prove. But then this week, the Supreme Court handed down

Its unanimous ruling over turning the convictions.

Yeah, and this is critical to the point you just raised, which is to say,

Justice told found that offense had not proven the comments by Becky Hill influenced the jury. The states of the Supreme Court, and they correctly applied Supreme Court President, they found if a court official makes inappropriate comments to the jury, our baseline presumption is that that improperly influenced the jury and facilitated a guilty verdict, and it is up to the state to robot that presumption and prove it didn't influence the jury. And so by shifting that

presumption pursuant to precedent, I think the states of Supreme Court correctly found that

presumption was not rabid and we have every reason to believe this had influence in the jury. So then there's another layer as well, right? In addition to the findings about how the clerk of court allegedly tried to influence the jury, the Justice is also came to some conclusions about the original judge in the trial and whether or not that judge had allowed a fair trial. Can you tell us more about that ruling? So what we had here, as you noted earlier, was a

litany of financial crimes that Alec Murdoch committed. He fell behind accrued deaths and stole money from his clients. And the state theory was, because he had fallen into debt and committed these crimes, these killings were kind of a Wizard of Oz scenario. Don't look behind the curtain, shifting the attention somewhere else. And at trial, the judge openly allowed very detailed evidence about all these financial crimes to come in. And the theory was we're not proving that Alec Murdoch

is a bad guy. We're showing the motive for the killings in this case. And the states are pre-incorrect, unanimously said, "Look, we're reversing based upon the comments by Becky Hill, but for the

retrial at a minimum, you should limit that character evidence." And some of the Justice even said,

it shouldn't come in at all. So then what happens now? We're talking about a retrial all the way back to square one. I suppose if there's evidence, all of all new evidence can come up whether it's for the prosecution side or the defense side. Absolutely. And it's interesting because if we look

to the first trial, that offense was all about telling the jury, there's an absence of evidence

of guilt. You noted earlier, the firearms weren't found. It was all about saying we can't prove Alec Murdoch's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. If, in fact, they do have evidence of an alternate suspect or a firm evidence of innocence, that could be a gain-changer, but of course they're keeping it close to the vest, and we're not sure whether they're this posturing or whether they

actually have something. Yeah, they certainly spoke like they were enthusiastically looking forward

to a retrial. Like any good defense attorney would do. But I mean, to go back now and start all over again, it has to be a challenge for the prosecution, or is it more of a challenge for the defense? For my research, it's more of a challenge to the defense. I published an article a couple years ago called Stand by Judges in the Florida State Law Review, and I did extensive research on what happens when there is a reversal, and we have a retrial. And it's interesting because

going into a first trial that offense actually knows a lot more about the prosecution case than

the prosecution knows about the defense case. And so the studies and the numbers I've seen all show the prosecution tends to fare better on a retrial than the defense. There are some advantages to defense, but overall prosecution is the major beneficiary. So in this case though, we're talking about an incredibly high profile case. How difficult is it going to be to hold a new trial with a jury that has not seen or heard anything about this case? I mean, it's been everywhere

at sort of a cottage industry talking about it. There have been countless podcasts, documentaries, even a scripted drama. Yeah, and so two things have been discussed. One is actually shipping in jurors from out of caught in county, into that county to hear the case. And the second is transferring the case out of caught in county to another area in South Carolina. But beyond that to your question, and there's a lot of controversy around this. The Supreme Court is said,

we don't require ignorance by jurors coming into a trial. Generally, if jurors say, I've heard

Some things about this case, but I can set aside what I've heard and decide t...

based on the evidence in the courtroom, usually we take the jurors at their word. In this case,

given the publicity dimensions, that might be more difficult to accept than in most cases.

I mean, as you look at how this continues to unfold, I mean, what is the lesson to be learned here?

The lesson to be learned here, I think, is I would like to say this is the exception rather than the

rule. The overwhelming majority of court officials take their jobs seriously. They're not seeking

financial gain and they are due to flee performing in a way we expect them to do so.

Unfortunately, in this case, we had a rogue clerk of court and perhaps based upon wanting financial

gain, she took matters into her own hands. And she made comments that arguably led to the jury

being influenced. And so I think this speaks both the respect we have for court officials as

well as thankfully seeing the system correct itself when we had a rogue clerk acting in proper. So there's a really strong likelihood, calling that I will be talking to you again about the Murdoch case because we could be looking at a retrial in our future. Thank you so much for your insight and thank you everyone else for listening. And you can follow case by case wherever you get your podcasts and be sure to tell us what cases you are following.

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