Who Killed the Prosecutor?

It was an extraordinary, God.

“Steve Touser was a prosecutor with a heart.”

It was really brilliant. You know, like a mandate to become a savior in the world almost. His vicious murder stunned law enforcement and the whole community. Whoever committed this crime had something personal against Mr. Touser. Investigators suspected revenge and enemy you'd made fighting crime.

Possibly a mad man that was full of hate. But that's not where the evidence would lead them. The DNA indicates to us quite clearly. Aaron Moriardi asks a difficult question. Was the prosecutor hiding a secret?

He was completely obsessed with my son. Was Steve Touser just trying to save a life?

And in the end, it cost him his own.

He was convinced there was no one he couldn't save. A 48-hour's mystery, who killed the prosecutor? [MUSIC] And when when was your merchant's face? I have to force the money maybe dead.

Maybe a homicide.

“The convoy's on the phone that Sunday afternoon.”

I just be a man, landowner on a harp. Gave no hint of what Bakersfield, California investigators, were about to encounter. [MUSIC] In Bakersfield, a veteran prosecutor has been found murdered.

He's September the 15th, 2002 Assistant District Attorney Steve Touser was found dead in his-- Sheriff Carl Sparks, as well as the entire legal community, was stunned by the murder of Steve Touser, the current county assistant district attorney for almost 20 years.

Steve had a lot of friends in this community, and I count myself as one of those friends. Mr. Stephen Touser was a very influential individual. When homicide detective John Salise arrived on the scene. This is the point of entry.

He knew this was no ordinary investigation. What we found was we made entry inside the garage was Stephen Touser's body, and he was lying face down. Steve Touser had been stabbed repeatedly in the head.

[MUSIC] Whoever killed Mr. Touser was possibly a mad man that was full of hate. [MUSIC] Well, of course, I was shocked and very sad. He was an extraordinary guy.

District Attorney Ed Jagels was both Touser's boss, and a long time friend.

He was always loaning or giving money to family members and other people.

He was interested in salvaging people. He was just that kind of guy. In a way, he was more like an uncle, and we looked up to him and you know, just thought he was the greatest.

[MUSIC] Growing up in Northern California, Steve Touser was the oldest of 14 children, a role model for his sisters. He liked to climb with my kids.

Touser, a lifelong bachelor, was Uncle Steve to over 25 nieces and nephews. It's been really hard on the kids. After Steve died, he was a big part of the whole ranch up there. He had, like, this mandate to become a savior in the world,

almost to do something really good and helpful to people.

“That's why he became the prosecutor known for his big heart.”

Touser was as much an every man as he was really brilliant. Janet Crossby was Steve Touser's assistant for six years. Every time before he went off to handle a huge case, you'd have to make sure he tucked in a shirt and we'd straighten his collar.

He was just a regular guy, but he was completely brilliant. The brutality of his murder is just unthinkable to me. In the years, Touser was with the DA's office. He made many friends and dangerous enemies. Priminals, he had helped put away.

We investigated different avenues, including drug dealers, drug users. Detective Laura Lopez worked the case with John Slees. However, this crime was committed and whoever committed it was very, very forceful and very, very angry. How many weapons?

There were three knives that were found. Was there any sign of forced entry? No, no force entry that we found.

Empty beer bottles found in Touser's kitchen

suggested that he may have even socialized with his killer or killers before the murder. I was thinking that there was some type of a friendly meeting and then this particular friendly meeting got out of hand and the original did somebody got hurt.

Police also say something about the way Touser was murdered. Suggested his killer was no stranger. Based on the injuries, I felt that whoever committed this crime had something personal against Mr. Touser.

“And that's what investigators started looking”

at a rather unlikely suspect. Christopher Hillis. I had information that Mr. Hillis had in ongoing

column with Stephen Touser regarding Lancelis.

Lance was Chris Hillis's 22-year-old son. What did you then find inside the house? There was the Bakersuel College identification card. They had the picture of Lancelis. There was a backpack from Lancelis.

So everything's leading me back to Chris Hillis. Chris Hillis is a former cop and an investigator who had worked for Steve Touser. Police believe there could be motive in the complex relationship between Hillis, his son,

and the prosecutor. One month after the death, Chris Hillis is arrested and charged with a murder of Steve Touser. The attorney general's office filed a complaint on an open count of murder with the use of knives

against Mr. Chris Hillis. Mr. Hillis will enter not guilty. Please defend it. We'll be reminded to the custody of the sheriff.

I never had dreamed in a million years

that I'd be in custody in a cell looking at the charges I'm looking at. Hillis says he is innocent a murder. Claiming that authorities are gunning for him

“to cover up a dark secret about Steve Touser.”

He was completely obsessed with my son. That's a strong word. Obsessed. It was the word that described it. He was obsessed with my son. On and on there is the site of 2013.

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“What makes the arrest of Chris Hillis so shocking”

is that the man he's accused of killing had once been a friend. Both men had devoted their lives to law enforcement. Hillis has a cop, Steve Touser, as a prosecutor. They worked together at the District Attorney's office. Ed Jagels is the DA.

He and Chris Hillis were very close friends. But at some point, the friendship turned into a feud over one issue. Chris is 22-year-old son, Lance. Well, they're not your stocking. I miss him terribly.

Lance Hillis was Chris' middle son from an earlier marriage. He's handsome. He's a very handsome. Chris is now married to Pam. Was Lance close with his dad? Lance was really close with his father.

Those who knew Lance said he was a good student. Light girls and tried hard to please his dad. But you think you're beautiful? Lance was also friends with Steve Touser, the bachelor, who lived just down the street, who would often stop by for family dinner.

He started showing an interest in Lance when Lance was, you know, in his mid teens. Lance's brother Jason, now a probation officer, also remembers Touser's early friendship with his younger brother. He would bring books over. He knew Lance liked to read. He was been tied with him and talked to him as, you know.

When he got on drugs, everything changed.

How old was he? I think around 16.

“Here in Baker's field, California, the drug methamphetamine is cheap and plentiful.”

And like too many teenagers here, Lance's infatuation with a drug got out of control. In no time at all, his life took a downward spiral. That led to tragedy for him and for everyone who loved him. When he started using this meth adphetamine, it just completely took control of him.

The latter stages he was injecting it.

Jason said, watching his brother Lance become a meth addict was like watching a car accident in slow motion.

It has ruined my brother's life. It has impacted my family and I'm sure it's impacted a lot of other families in America. And what was that doing to your dad? Oh, it tore him apart. What should I put that stuff? Stop.

We were apart, bro. We cried, you know, we just wanted him to change and we wanted it so badly. Trying to save Lance became his father's passion. I'd spell a lot of just talking to him.

You have to have to reason with him.

And I tried to reason with him a little sugar little salt. Lance didn't respond to those things. Drugs became just too important to him. And so it was not surprising that his Lance's drug problem became serious. Hillis turned to his friend Steve Talzer for help.

I remember having a conversation with Mr. Talzer about treatment centers. Talzer jumped at the opportunity to help the young man he had known for years. But his Talzer got more and more involved. Hillis began to fear that his help was actually hurting Lance. Lance got arrested, stole a compressor from a business and was arrested in Steve Talzer's car.

Both men wanted desperately to help Lance.

“But disagreed on how Chris Hillis was convinced the only way to save Lance was to send him to prison to dry out.”

Steve Talzer disagreed and believed rehab would do the job. He kept saying that Lance is not a drug addict and I would say Lance is a drug addict. According to Talzer's boss, District Attorney Ed Jagels. Talzer also thought that Chris Hillis may have been part of the problem. Chris was as a policeman and apparently as a father, a very rigid individual.

And his belief was that the kid had to go to prison and called hit rock bottom. The battle over control escalated and when Lance left his father's house and needed a place to live, Talzer began to subsidize him, including paying for an apartment. I think Lance's apartment became somewhat of a safe place to go and use drugs. On a hot summer night in 2001, Chris Hillis went to the apartment to check upon his son.

As real surreal, they had the rigs and the spoons and the drugs and everything. They went and they had already injected.

“What was your reaction to that scene? What did you do?”

I put Lance in handcuffs and I ran the other guy off. Hillis blamed Talzer believing that giving Lance money and keeping him out of jail was only feeding his son's drug addiction. I called Mr. Talzer and had him come through this apartment and I showed him drugs, I showed him needles.

I absolutely beg this man to leave my son alone. Please with him. It continued. He crossed the line. But was that motive for murder? He passed by and saw his face and there was nothing there.

Lance was really, really bad, really, really bad. He was out of his mind on his drugs. Barely out of his teams, Lance Hillis was losing his soul to Chris Hillis.

Lance was arrested time and again for possession of drugs and stealing. We tried everything. We put him in rehab. Lance was in every drug program here in Kern County.

Finally, after no rehab program seemed to stick.

I knew he had to hit bottom. I knew he had to start pants and consequences of serious consequences.

“Chris felt the best thing for Lance was a prison term.”

What did Steve Talzer think was right for Lance? Drug treatment facilities. By late 2000, Lance had tested positive for drugs 13 times. The state probation department recommended that it be sent to state prison for at least a year. Extended period of time and custody away from drugs to clean a system out.

Lance's brother Jason also a probation officer agreed. And I requested the court to last the judge if he would put Lance in custody for some time.

But it never happened. Steve Talzer stepped in.

It became a pattern. He appeared in court for Lance. Lobby judges for leniency and convinced the rehab program that Lance had failed to take him back. Talzer's office wasn't prosecuting any of Lance's cases. But he was one of the most powerful people in the Kern County judicial system. So people here in Baker's field were beginning to wonder whether Talzer was misusing that power.

You had to remember the probation department complaining. You had the family members complaining.

“Talzer's boss district attorney Ed Jagels wouldn't that have been better for Steve Talzer to back off? Why didn't he?”

Yes, it would have been much better for my office.

If he hadn't done what he had a perfect right to do.

That was Steve Talzer. He was convinced there was no one he couldn't help. There was no one he couldn't save. Why did Steve Talzer risk his career in reputation to help another man's son? Obviously he can't answer that question, but Talzer did explain some of it in a personal journal, found after his death. In it, Talzer wrote, although I was single and had no children of my own, Lance seemed like a son to me.

My dream, like a parent, was to watch Lance walk across the stage of some college to accept his degree. He was completely obsessed with my son. Is it possible that Talzer just viewed your son really the way you did? You know, as a father? My opinion, no.

Talzer even gave Lance a room in his own home. But as Lance's addiction deepened, even Talzer began to wonder whether his way was the right way. At what point was I just being conned? How long could I go on accepting one failure after another? Shortly after writing this entry, Talzer had his answer.

Initially, the call came out of a green Ford Focus. It had been stolen from the Kentucky Fried Chicken. On August 7, 2002, Lance Hillis, after failing another rehab program, stole a car outside this Kentucky Fried Chicken. He was doing at least 65 or 70.

I slammed on my brakes. To Reese Rollins was on the road that night. Lance almost ran into her.

“I don't know. I'll never forget to look on his face.”

I would describe it as a head-on. Lance Christopher Hillis aged 22, died instantly. He didn't even try to miss the bus he didn't hit his brakes. He didn't do anything. According to police toxicology reports, he was high on meth when he was killed.

When you lose a child, you have a lot of guilt. What should I do? You know, I could blame myself. Do you blame Steve Talzer? Certainly to a degree.

God's going to hold him accountable. I believe that. And one month later, when Steve Talzer was discovered brutally stabbed to death. Chris Hillis was the logical suspect. Chris Hillis was arrested at his business this morning. After Chris Hillis was arrested, the local newspaper, the Baker's Field California,

The fact is that Steve Talzer went beyond where he should have in terms of his office

“and gave this kid breaks that most people are not going to get.”

Her venom is a columnist for the Baker's Field California. As soon as the story began to unfold, the rumor was that Talzer was involved with this young man romantically. The allegations of a sexual relationship between Talzer and Lance Hillis were being fueled in the local papers by Chris Hillis. Mr. Talzer was a homosexual. He was abusing my son.

He means physically. I think so. Sexually. The allegations of abuse didn't sit too well in the Baker's Field community. This is not a town that's taller than homosexuality.

“People in this intense family town looked out and got wet.”

Well, now I'm having trouble with this. What I don't like is the implication that Steve Talzer was some kind of a sexual predator. I have no information that he ever was. Scotty Wallace was a close friend of Steve Talzer's. The notion that he was a sexual predator, that's bad enough.

The notion that he might be gay, that's a whole other issue. He was part of our family. I'm certain if he had any kind of inclinations toward being gay or something to me. There was nothing sinister about Steve Talzer. He didn't have a secret life.

His life was an open book and in most of it was down here.

But the bottom line is this, in more than a year and a half since Talzer's death.

Neither the media nor a current county police found any evidence that he was involved in a sexual relationship with Lance Hillis. During our investigation, we did investigate that angle and could turn up nothing. We never received anonymous phone calls from ex-lovers involved in that lifestyle with Mr. Talzer. Steve Talzer was problemed up. He's wired to a strange and he was not normal. Talzer was well aware of how Hillis felt about him.

Chris had become my sworn enemy. He told people he feared there was an unnatural relationship between Lance and me. But if he knew Lance, he would have known that was not true. He hated me because I helped Lance. Is it fair to say you hate Steve Talzer?

I don't like using that term hate. Prosecutors who are handling this case that you had the best reason to want Steve Talzer dead. Did you kill him? No, I didn't kill him. Burying a child is till it happens, you can't explain it.

I really wasn't able to go through the grieving process because about a little over a month after my son's death was when they arrested me. And so I've been in here ever since. Chris Hillis has spent nearly a year behind bars in solitary confinement. For a murder he insists he did not do. If I was going to do this, I certainly wouldn't do it a month after my son's death.

The time frame was scary. Certainly wouldn't have been done in the matter it was done or at his house. The time behind bars has aged him and left him with plenty of time to think.

“If you didn't kill Steve Talzer, who do you think did?”

I have my suspicions. You put yourself at risk when you get involved in certain lifestyles. We're dealing with a situation where we have a man who lived a secret life. Lawyer Kyle Humphrey, along with Hillis, has told anyone who will listen.

That Stephen Talzer, the second most powerful man in the district attorney's office, may have lived a double life.

This looked like a homosexual scene. The number of stab wounds, the parent brutality of the killing, is typical in what we see in homosexual

Anybody walking into this crime scene, it would scream interrupted robbery or hustler killing.

“I mean really, truly there's no sexual over time to this to the killing at all.”

Dave Drew liner and Mike Farrell, with the office of the California Attorney General, are prosecuting Chris Hillis. They say the evidence shows how the murder was committed. The fact that he was found in his boxer shorts indicates that perhaps he was either getting ready for bed or was pulled out of bed when this murder occurred. We think that he was then either pulled or directed to go into the kitchen area. And we don't know if Steve Talzer knew that he was in big trouble and tried to make a run for it through the kitchen door and out through the garage.

And in the garage where the murder took place, police found a critical piece of evidence.

We have a small amount on the murder weapon. According to Drew liner, on the knife found next to Talzer's body, was a microscopic amount of the killer's DNA. It's a very, very tiny amount of DNA. That's a small amount of DNA. No question about it. And the DNA indicates to us quite clearly that the killer was Christopher Hillis.

And you're confident, though, with those test results, that it's definitely Chris Hillis. Oh yeah, there is no doubt at all that it's Chris Hillis's DNA. And in this case, we're dealing with peakograms, trillions of grams, totally invisible, smaller than the smallest thing you can imagine.

“And that's what they're hanging their hat on.”

A attorney Kyle Humphrey says the DNA, like many things in this case, is suspect. No eyewitnesses, no blood, no fiber, no hair, no fingerprints, they got nothing. So what they're doing is tying everything into two tiny little invisible specs of DNA and lots of drama. The other speck of DNA was found on a beer bottle in Talzer's kitchen. Again, the prosecution claims the DNA belongs to Hillis.

And strangely, is mixed with DNA from Talzer. If you follow their assumption, apparently Chris and Steve both put their lips on a beer bottle.

It's here to beer, which just is amazing to me.

Easily, Steve Talzer could have drunk the beer. Maybe an hour or two before Chris Hillis came over, the murder occurred, and Chris Hillis, in a moment of bravado, grabbed a half empty beer bottle and took a swing. After that, incredibly brutal murder, grab a beer bottle and take a swing. I don't find that anymore incredible than the killing itself.

And prosecutors say those specks of DNA, small or not, tell the story of what happened at Steve Talzer's house the night he died. It began with a fight in Talzer's bedroom that moved into this garage and ended with Talzer unconscious on the floor. That's when, according to prosecutors, Chris Hillis decided to kill Steve Talzer. Then Hillis went from the garage back into the kitchen. He grabbed two of those knives, went back into the garage, had a completely defenceless, Stephen Talzer on the ground,

and proceeded to stab him to death by stabbing multiple times in the temples and obviously in the brain. It's all for Talzer, isn't it? Maybe this is Chris Hillis' way of saying, "You think you know what's best, and he goes right for the brain." Pam Hillis doesn't buy it. Why are you so sure he wasn't involved?

Because it's not him, it's not he could never do that.

But you are a wife who really loves her husband. Yeah, I really love my husband. Isn't it possible you just, no, it couldn't accept something like that. No, no. He didn't do it.

He wasn't involved. He had nothing to do with it. It is what Chris' sons also believe. Almost total confidence that Dad's going to be acquitted at this murder. I have faith in the justice system.

He didn't do it. The evidence can't lie. It'll come out and try out. I've proclaimed my innocence in date one, and they've coming out in the paper and saying all this stuff,

“and that's why I've hired best attorney, and I couldn't afford.”

And I don't know what else to do. If Chris Hillis has found guilty of first-degree murder at trial, he will face the sentence of 25 years to life. Second degree, 15 years to life. What if you're convicted?

The nightmare will continue.

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But the truth will set me free. On October 7, 2003,

we begin with shocking developments in a major murder case here at home.

Chris Hillis stunned everyone, especially his wife. I was shocked, but understood why Chris did what he did. After a year of claiming his innocence. Violation from the criminal code section 192 caught her a match letter. How do you deal with your own?

Chris Hillis admitted he killed Steve Touser, pleading guilty to voluntary manslaughter. Hillis will now go to state prison. Sentence to 12 years. Well, years for killing the number two man in the district attorney's office. My opinion this was justice.

I'm not saying what Chris Hillis did was right.

Why did Chris Hillis kill Steve Touser?

“Any parent can understand what could cause you to break?”

What you were about to hear, no one in court ever heard. It's almost like it didn't happen. It's easy to get into denial. Actually, it's the easiest way to deal with it. Just hours before he pled guilty. Chris Hillis sat down and told his story of what happened tonight.

He took another man's life. I can't remember a lot of what happened. I don't want to remember a lot of what happened. Well, that Friday night, it was late. And I'd gone to the cemetery.

And I set my car outside the cemetery and drank some beer. It was what Chris has he had been doing frequently since his 22-year-old son Lance had died in that violent car accident only five weeks earlier. I was having trouble dealing with his death. I was crying all the time, but I was taken by him.

As Chris drove home, sometime after 1 a.m. Saturday morning, he says he saw lights on. It's Halzer's home.

“You know, I wanted some answers, I think, to be real frank.”

And this was maybe an opportunity to get those. I knocked on his door. Hillis says Halzer, wearing only boxer shorts and a t-shirt, invited him in. Did you have a beer with Steve Halzer? I had a beer. I can remember having a beer.

So it sounds like Elissa, initially, the conversation was civil. It was initially civil. But Chris says the conversation quickly turned ugly. Tell what you remember about what set you off though. It was kind of bizarre, but I suddenly noticed that Lance on the counter was a picture of my son.

Why his picture was laying on the counter? I have no idea. It was Lance's college ID. Talzer had just collected a number of Lance's belongings from Lance's last rehab clinic. So I'm looking at his picture of my son. And at that point, I got angry.

“I started, he was asking why would you leave my son?”

Well, his response was that he loved Lance. He said, "I love Lance." Just, I lost it. I lost it at certain point. I remember us wrestling from in the kitchen. You know, I got pretty vicious at that point.

Hills says he can't remember exactly how. But both men ended up in Talzer's garage. You don't remember picking up the knives? I don't remember. Do you remember stabbing him?

I remember in the garage falling to the ground. And I thought I was punching him.

You were stabbing him. Apparently.

“So what does Chris Hill is say that Steve Talzer did to provoke his homicidal rage?”

No, I'm not going to share that.

You can be an idea, just. I'm just, I don't want to go there. But as part of his plea bargain, Hillis was forced to reveal to prosecutors what he says pushed him to his breaking point. He said wrong thing. What did he say?

It was spiritual. And that's all he said. It was consensual.

And what did you say he did?

Or not? Chris Hillis killed Steve Talzer because he believed Talzer was sexually involved with his son Lance. Everybody knew the abuse that was going on with my son. But abuse, or for that matter, any sexual relationship between Talzer and Lance may only have been in Chris Hillis's mind. It's rumor and anyone know it's based on no facts whatsoever.

Prosecutors couldn't find any evidence that Steve Talzer was involved in a sexual relationship. And we looked on his work computer. We looked on his home computer. We looked at correspondence between he and Lance. And there's not even a hint of anything beyond a big brother type relationship.

“I think most people, Chris Hillis, was guilty here.”

But Steve Talzer got between in terms of this community. The way people look at, he got between a father and his son. The most people would think that it ended the way it should have ended. Steve Talzer, as far as we know, he had good motives. I mean, everything he was trying to do was to save Lance.

And despite what Chris Hillis thought, either accurately or inaccurately, for that Steve Talzer did not deserve to die. Here a man spent his entire life doing nothing but good for this office and for the state of California. And it just absolutely breaks my heart to see that kind of wife turned upside down.

“I mean, that's not the legacy that he deserves.”

He was a wonderful man.

Steve never could turn down anybody who asked him for help.

And Chris Hillis turned it into something really awful. And he murdered him. And you know, there's just no excuse to go murder somebody. Chris Hillis will spend at least nine years in prison before he is eligible for parole. Are you sorry that Steve Talzer is dead?

Yeah. I get no pleasure out of that. It's brought nothing but misery to everyone. Chris Hillis served nine years in state prison and was released in 2013. Three years later, he was discharged from parole supervision.

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