100 Objects #13: The Sand Letters

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The year is 1886. The Civil War is still within living memory. Veterans in their 40s and 50s are prominent figures in public life. In President Chester A. Arthur, himself a veteran, has been out of office for less than two years. And don't worry, it's okay if you forgot that Chester A. Arthur was ever a president to begin with.

“He's someone who has almost totally disappeared from the public memory and imagination for most people.”

That's Elliot Kaylin, Emmy winning TV writer, author, comedian, and potcaster. And he's obsessed with President Chester A. Arthur. He was involved in what you could call shenanigans, or what you could also call political corruption. He was very much a figure of his time and that meant he was involved with a lot of shady dealings. The types of dealings that involve buying votes, bribery, graphed, that kind of corruption.

But these are not the things that you want people of the future or even necessarily your descendants, knowing about it. And this concern is from to mind because Chester Arthur is currently dying of kidney disease. And on his deathbed, after years of public service, and years of semi-public shenanigans, he's going to try to erase all the evidence. And so he directs his son to burn his personal and professional papers. He's barrels were the papers and he says, "Burn all of them."

Three garbage barrels, each around four feet high, stuffed with every paper from Chester Arthur's life and set on fire. Well, not every paper, a few survived the perch. Among those were 23 letters that were initialed, J.I.S.

In which we now know are from a woman named Julius Hayand, a woman that Chester Arthur had never met before she started writing to him.

That nobody really knew she was not a public figure, she was just a regular person. Just a bundle of letters from an unknown woman, no name anyone recognized. These are the letters remaining from his legacy, and they are the reason Elliot is so obsessed with Chester Arthur. The way the story is often told, and I'm always wonder if this is a real thing, or if it's a touch of romanticizing history. That the letters were wrapped together in a ribbon, and the papers that did survive are through family turned them over to the Library of Congress.

And then it wasn't until decades later that people really noticed these papers existed and bothered to go through them, which is too bad because Julius Sand lived in the 1930s. There were many years where someone could have, if they had known of these existent papers, tracked her down, and asked her about what happened. Elliot wishes we knew more about Julius Sand, who she was outside these letters.

What made her audacious enough to write to a president when she was a nobody. She was just an unmarried woman living in New York City, largely homebound with no political ties, no platform, and no reason to think the president would listen to her.

“But what we do know is that her letters were key to one of the most amazing transformations in American history.”

A politician who owed so much to a corrupt system would become the one to dismantle it. These letters from Julius Sand seemed to have incited a major change of heart in Chester Arthur that turned him from the symbol of all that was corrupt and slimy in American politics. To a champion of civil service reform, the most exciting type of reform,

someone could possibly be involved in. It's not the most exciting, but one of the most important pieces of reform.

Civil service reform, meaning hiring people to work in the government who are actually qualified to do their jobs. So it really is this hinge point between a United States that has a non-professional government that you cannot count on to do pretty much anything. To the government of today, we're even the people who don't like it, take it for granted, that it does a lot of stuff, and accomplishes a lot of things.

But Arthur started that professional merit-based bureaucracy. It allowed America to accomplish everything we accomplished in the 20th century. We landed on the moon. We won wars. We passed civil rights legislation. None of that happens without competent government workers.

She seems to have inspired him to help lay the groundwork for the modern government that we have today and that we take for granted today. From 99% of visible M.D.B.C. Studios, this is a history of the United States in a hundred objects. I'm Roman Mars. Today, the Sand letters to President Chester Allen Arthur, the story of how a woman no one had ever heard of

“helped transform a President if you remember. And in the process, created the American”

government as we know it. So let's start back in classic E-shaped narrative structure to the beginning of Chester Arthur's life. What do we know about this guy? He was born in Vermont. His father was an abolitionist preacher. So they would get kicked out of towns because he would get a job as a preacher and then start preaching abolition and then they have to move people didn't like that. And this is all

in and obviously he's an abolitionist preacher. This is all pre-sival war. This is in the first

half of the 19th century. So before Chester Arthur will become a shady politician, he starts out as an idealist like his abolitionist father. He's a young lawyer in New York. When he takes on the case of a black woman who was forced off a streetcar because of her race. And he fought her case and won. And from that point on, New York street cars were not segregated by race anymore. And so there's this sense that he really was affected in some way by his

father's beliefs in that he took on this case and fought it in one. But it's during the civil war that Arthur starts to reveal his true gift. He could get things done that basically no one else could. He was a quartermaster based in New York. He was not fighting on the battlefield. He was in charge of moving stuff from one place to another. He is doing the unglamorous work of, oh, people need something. I'm going to go get them that

thing and make sure they have it. And one of the stories about that is the troops that were that were coming through New York and going out, they needed socks. They really needed socks. Like, and this is the kind of thing that when you're fighting a war, you need socks.

“Yes. It's like you have to have things on your feet to keep your feet clean and dry”

and healthy. When they do civil war in action, no one is the guy who collects the socks and gives them to people. But they need it socks. And the person who had been hired to do this, he is dragging his feet. No fun intended. I'm getting it socks made. And Arthur was like, what is going on? We need socks for these people. I'm going to find this guy. I have to get them and they go, oh, it's Sunday. So he's not working today. He goes, well, what church does he go to?

Then Arthur is since his aide to that church. And basically goes up to his pew and drags him out

in the middle of the church service. It's like, we need these socks. Like you need to make them. The troops need socks. And they got made. Like with many things, the Chester Arthur, it's not overtly exciting. But it is important in its practical and managerial effects. But Arthur's gift for getting things done is about to be redirected away from the public good. Because quickly, Arthur catches the attention of arguably the most powerful and corrupt political

boss in New York City. Roscoe Conclane. Roscoe Conclane is one of the great political characters of American history. And he's another one where it's too bad people don't remember him because he is so flamboyantly sinister. I guess he could put it in some ways or so. He is so openly

power hungry and aggressive. He was an amateur boxer and he's always challenging people to fight

basically. But in his position he was very powerful in the New York spoils system. And we're going to be talking about the spoils system quite a bit in his episodes of Buckle Up. It's going to be exciting and thrilling. The spoils system refers to how government jobs were handed out at the time. There's an old saying to the victors go the spoils. And that's the entire logic of the spoils system.

If you win an election, you get to reward your supporters with government jobs. Maybe you make them a postmaster. Maybe they work for the Treasury Department. Maybe they run a customs house. It doesn't matter if they've never done that job before, what matters is they help to win. And this is a period when every time the federal government changes hands from one president to another,

pretty much everybody loses their job. And new people get hired. If a state changes its governor, now the people who support the party during that, they can go up and say like,

“"Ah, I was canvassing for you all over the fourth word. Like, you need to give me a job."”

All right. All right. I will. This job just opened up because I fired the day I did it. They're like, "You can be, you can work in this insane asylum. Do you have any experience with psychiatry? No. Okay. Well, the job is yours. That's fine." At this time, Roscoe Conklin is huge in the spoils system in New York. He has influence over who got jobs and where they'd be placed. Conklin takes a liking to

the collector of the port of New York. It's really hard now in the world we live in to really

“grasp how important the customs house at the port of New York was in the late 19th century. This is”

a time when there is no income tax. Yeah. There's very few taxes of any kind. I don't believe there are any sales taxes. And so as a result, the main source for government money is customs, duties on the goods coming into the port of New York, which at the time is the biggest port in the country. About two-thirds of all the governments revenue came from import taxes through the port of New York alone. The port that Chester Arthur was now in charge of.

If you're in control of the port of New York, if you're that in the job of collector, then you have the ability to not just hire hundreds of people because there's something like

12 or 1,300 people who work at that port. But you also have the ability to control and direct

so much money. It's at the port, and under the tutelage of Roscoe Conclane, that Arthur learns how the game is played, finds kickbacks, goods that disappeared from warehouses and mysteriously found their way into the hands of his friends. He made so much money, in fact, that for a while his income was double that of the President of the United States. And he's a guy who likes fancy clothes. He likes to own fancy things. He was famous at the time

for owning somewhere between 70 and 80 pairs of pants, which is a lot of pants even now. Most people, I think, did not own 70 to 80 items of clothing. He might not own 70 to 80

“possessions. And that's how many pants he has. And late 19th century eyes, his clothes would”

been very fashionable for a dignified, grown man. Arthur didn't create the spoil system, but he was its most respectable face. The impeccably dressed gentleman boss, who makes corruption look fashionable. But regular Americans were getting increasingly frustrated with the system. After the Civil War, people were encountering the federal government in an entirely new way. Soldiers and widows needed their pensions filled,

and males started coming to people's doors. Suddenly, it was more obvious when government workers weren't doing their jobs. People now expect the government to have a little thing called competence, which they weren't really expecting, or caring about before. And this means that the level of spoils corruption is really much more visible to people than it was for. And it's much more on the top of their minds. In fact, there's a huge fight brewing in the Republican

party over this. Half of the party called the stalwarts, people like Arthur and Conclane, want to keep things as they were. But the other half, the reformers want to change the system. And this fight becomes a huge problem when trying to figure out who should run for president, in the election of 1880. And so there is this big split between the side that wants to keep the system going the way it is that loves it, that profits from it, that understands it, and the

side that wants to reform it and change the way that the government does things. And that split in the Republican party plays out in real time on the convention floor in 1880. They vote once, they vote again and again dozens of times. But the party can't agree on a presidential nominee. Then, a congressman from Ohio named James Garfield gives a speech that electrifies the delegates. Suddenly, he's getting votes, and he wins the nomination in a landslide. Garfield is a

family man, preacher, lawyer, a former civil war general, guided by his principles that government should work based on merit, not political favors. So he's a reformer. But the Republican party knows that if they're actually going to win the presidency, they need to make the vice president someone from the spo system faction to balance the ticket and draw the stalwart votes. And so they ask Arthur to be vice president. The feeling was very much, we're going to

heal the party. We're going to have a united front. It'll be Garfield the reformer with Arthur the old hand stalwart as his vice president. But the vice president doesn't do anything. So it'll be fine. It'll be fantastic. This will work perfectly. And Arthur for his part is so excited about the idea of being vice president. Conqualing comes to him and he has this quote that I love so much. Arthur says they've asked me to be vice president and he goes, you drop that like it was

a horseshoe hot from the forge. Like he's so he's so mad about it. He hates Garfield. And Arthur

is like, I never dreamed of being vice president. I have to take it. And in his understanding of it,

Arthur's understanding, this will be the ultimate wonderful no-show job where all he has to do is be likable, hang around. He probably still wants to keep his hand into the system in the spoils system

“because that's how he maintains his relationships with a lot of the people in his life. And so I think”

there was probably a sense of a step back. But come on, you're not going to take the vice presidency. He got it. You got it, you got it, too. But was there any indication that Arthur wanted the presidency at all?

there. I think it's maybe no one in the history of the United States who has ever been one heart beat away from the presidency who wished more that he was millions of heartfeets away from the presidency. He really doesn't want it. Most men in the back of their minds like, yeah, if I was president,

“I'd do a pretty good job. I think I could do this. And I think in Arthur's case, he's one of the”

rare, one of the rare men who was like, I would not be good at this. I do not want this. It is too difficult and it's too much responsibility. So he is just the idea of being president. I think terrifies him. Well, what Arthur doesn't know yet is that the thing that terrifies him the most is about to come true. In just a few months, the spoils system he's been running and benefiting from will kill a president.

And Arthur will finally see what he's been a part of. What is the story of the Garfield shooting?

So this is one of the stranger assassinations. It's terrible that I have to, I can categorize presidential assassinations. This is one of the stranger ones because it's the person who committed it is one of the stranger assassins and also how it happens would have been so easily avoidable. So it's July 2nd, 1881. James Garfield is the president and he's about to take the train out of town. Because it's summer in DC and it's disgusting to be in summer in DC. Everyone's leaving town.

“He has, I don't think he has any bodyguards. So he's just walking to the train and literally someone”

just steps out with a gun and shoots him in the back and then goes, now Chester Arthur is president. Like, you know, America is saved. Something like that and gets arrested.

So the man who shot President Garfield did so because he wanted Chester Arthur the VP

to replace him. And after he fired the gun, he says so out loud right there at the scene. What's interesting about this assassination is that it has to do with this foil system and the stalwarts and the reformers. It really plays into the ideological schism that is happening. Yes, in a very real way, you could say that President Garfield was killed by the spoiled system. In a more real way, you could say he was killed by an insane man

who was obsessed with the spoiled system. But he was, because he was shot in the back by Charles Gutot who was often described in history books as a disappointed office seeker, which is technically true. But he was also a mentally disturbed office seeker. And this was a time when it was a huge part of the president's job to just hand out jobs to people that you could just walk into the White House. You'd wait outside the president's office till it's your turn to see

him. The president would say, what do you want? I ran this effort for you, for your election, in mousse jaw. I want to be the post clerk of mousse jaw. Okay, great. You're the post clerk of mousse jaw. What Elliott is describing is something that tormented presidents Lincoln himself with everything else he was dealing with during the Civil War was exhausted by the endless stream of office seekers showing up to the White House demanding a job. It was unsustainable.

And most of the day was that meeting over and over again. A woman coming in, my husband needs a job. He supported you. Okay, I'll find a job for him. Guto was one of those people, but he had his

sights were unrealistically high. And there's stories about him basically like just jumping out

of nowhere, like if Garfield was walking around the White House, Guto jumping out of the bushes and

“saying, hey, it's me, your friend Charles Guto, I supported you in the election. You should make”

me ambassador to Vienna. You should make me ambassador to France. Guto is a, he's like the textbook example of someone who is a drifter who cannot figure out a way to make a real life in the world. And has this drive to prestige to be part of important events. He believes himself to be a historically important figure at a level that he is not. And with each no, Guto's rage with president Garfield grows. He becomes more and more unhinged until he's sure that the only way to

get what he wants is through violence. Let's look at our field's point of view. This guy keeps jumping out at you and telling you that he should be the ambassador to Vienna. You don't give him that job, you know, the end. So Guto becomes, becomes convinced Garfield is the problem. And if Arthur is president, then I will get the job I want. And so he shoots Garfield in the back and is immediately captured thrown in jail. And even up to, I think the day of his execution, he is

sitting in his jail cell saying, any minute now, Chester, Arthur is going to show up at the head of the military and break me out of jail. And he's going to appoint me ambassador and everything's going to work out fine. Guto was delusional to the end. But what he'd actually done, shot a president because he felt cheated by the spoiled system was too perfect, a symbol. It's almost like Garfield's destination is a living political cartoon that Garfield could be labeled

reformer. And he's walking through the the train station in DC and to man labeled spoiled system or office seeker is shooting him in the back with a bullet that says anti reform effort or

is so easy to read as a symbolic moment in what was going on politically in the country at the time.

“Guto shot Garfield twice. The first bullet graces arm. The second entered his back”

and lodged by his stomach. And for nearly three months there's hope that Garfield might survive. Doctors believe they can save him if they can just find the bullet. And the news is constantly coming out. Garfield's getting better. He ate breakfast today. Oh no, Garfield's getting worse. He couldn't eat food today. You know, the doctors are looking at an end. They can't find the bullet. They keep sticking their fingers into his wound to try to

try to get the bullet. Oh, they can't do it. Well, maybe end. The country is for months just in suspense and worried because they don't know whether the president is going to survive this or not. And in the meantime, the man that many Americans fear the most, the machine politician with 70 to 80 pairs of pants who once made more money than the president, that guy is now next in line to lead the country. He is freaking out that people are suspecting that he's involved

in some way that he is part of this shadowy, you know, slimy side of politics. And there is a

“suspicion always Arthur behind this. And I think it potentially helps his case that rather than”

stepping in and saying, "I will do it," that he essentially disappears. And people don't know where he is. He seems to be, he's just at home and he spends a lot of days crying, you know, and really being afraid of what's going to happen. And he finds himself in the situation where he may be about to take on the largest job in the country and the most difficult job in the country, something

he never has had an ambition to do. And the rest of the country, even the ones that don't

think he was behind this, they are certain he will be a bad president. And you read about it that people were just going where I'm saying, "Chet Arthur is president, Chet Arthur is president, like can you imagine this?" And I love the fact that his nickname was "Chet." Because there's something about having a president named Chet, like you imagine he's like, "Just like a real job." He is trying to make people saying, "Arthur, you're bad. We're like Arthur, we don't think

“you can do this." And Arthur, I think, is he's so overwhelmed, sad, and unhappy, and emotionally”

suffering. Well, the country holds its breath sending thoughts and prayers to President Garfield. Someone new enters the chat. Julia Sand. Let's take a break to talk about our sponsor for today's episode, Anthropic, the team behind Claude. Have you ever wished you could hand off a task to someone while you're on the go? Claude is the collaborator that actually understands your entire workflow and things with you.

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heavy editing. For problems we're solving, get started with Claude at Claude.ai. That's Claude.ai. This is the moment of this story where it stops being tragic and starts being magical in a way, because this is inspiring to me. So to recap, the country already has doubts about the spoil system. President Garfield's life hangs in the balance and his potential successor

is hiding out in New York away from public view when he receives the letter

that starts to change his life. This is an August of 1881. Arthur receives this first letter

from Julia Sand. And she is very much not the kind of person who usually shows up in the historical record. Julia Sand is 31 on married chronically ill and can find her home. She's a woman in an era when women have no political voice. She cannot vote. She has no platform or power or influence. She's invisible in every way that matters in her time. But from that invisibility, she picks up a pen and writes to the vice president. A letter so politically astute, so begiling that it will

the hours of Garfield's life are numbered. Before this meets your eye, you may be president. The people are bowed and grief. But do you realize it? Not so much because he's dying as because you are his successor. What president? And she talks about everyone is sure you will be a terrible president. But then she says, making a man president can change him. And she says,

“here's the thing you have to do, reform. Rise to the emergency, disappoint our fears,”

force the nation to have faith in you, show them from the first that you have none but the

purest aims. It may be difficult to inspire confidence, but persevere. In time, when you have given reason for it, the country will love and trust you. Stance letter goes beyond just encouragement. It's a challenge. She picks one thing, one issue, and she makes it Arthur's mission, civil service reform. If any man says, with Arthur for president, civil service reform is doomed, prove that Arthur can be its finest champion. She is a single issue voter in this one way. It is

civil service reform. You can do it, civil service reform, civil service reform. And she makes it clear. This is how you prove you're not the man, everyone thinks you are. I wish we knew more about why she decided to write this letter, why she had it any faith in Arthur to begin with. We just don't know. And all we can pick up are the clues from this letter and the 22 others that she writes after that, where she starts establishing herself as what she

calls his dwarf, saying that in the courts of kings, the dwarf was allowed to save the things that other people couldn't say. And to give the king his honest opinion. It's brilliant. She has no power, no influence, no formal standing. But to use this that powerlessness as a kind of power.

“So she's writing to him saying, you have this decision for you. I think you should do it this way.”

Don't do it that way. Here's what I think you should do. But written also in a way that is

frankly like really delightful, like very playful. She teases him often. And we're later she talks about she's like, oh, I saw it. Did you hear? I saw a picture of that awful president Arthur in the newspaper. He had devil horns, I think. Like she's very playful with him but also very stern. And taking a tone with him that feels very presumptuous in that, again, she's writing to at first the man who is going to be president and then to the president.

In subsequent letters Julia sans advice covers everything. By the way, do you take care of your health? Perhaps, naturally, it is good, but there are limits to human strength. She tells him to rest properly, to ride horse back daily for circulation and health. Nothing supplies the place of fresh air and sunshine. But she also tells him to stay away from New York and his old stalwart buddies, men like Roscoe Conklin, whose spoils machine made him rich.

New York is the one spot on the continent where you positively ought not to be this fall. In coming to New York at this season, you do. You put yourself in temptation. And in a certain way, you put yourself in the power of untrustworthy men. She pushes them to a point qualified people, not political cronies, to stop the kickbacks or assessments to the party. A point those only of marked ability and a sterling character, such may not be abundant,

but you will find them if you seek them. To think about his legacy, about how history will judge him, about his children watching. Of all your friends, do you know which ones I like best to hear being with you? Your children, they are your guardian angels. Over and over, across the 23 letters, the message is the same. Do better because you can be better. In Arthur actually listens, he doesn't just read her words. He acts on them.

When he vetoes the river and harbor active 1882, Julius and is genuinely delighted. Arthur says to Congress that it was failed with bogus local projects that were not in the national interest. Writing it would set a bad precedent for the quote, "extrivagant expenditure of public money." His veto was eventually overwritten by Congress, but Julius and was genuinely satisfied with President Arthur's choice. She writes to congratulate him. Saying, "She sees it as proof

that he can do the right thing." I want to convict this slightly in the fact that

“this didn't mean that Chester Arthur did all great things about his presidency. I think he did”

really contemptible things as President too. In Arthur's case, the worst of it was he did

sign into law the Chinese Exclusion Act, which basically said Chinese people are not welcome

in the United States for a certain period of time. In her letters, Julius and it vise President

into the spirit of civilization all around the world. It is mean and cowardly. More than that, it is a step back into barbarism. At all events, do not let your administration be marked by any such disgraceful retrograde movements. Sand in her letters is saying, "You've got to veto

that bill." And he vetoes at the first time, but then it comes back to him. It's still a racist

anti-American act that singles out in a specific ethnicity and nationality for not being allowed in the United States. And he realizes that they have the votes to overcome his veto. And so he,

“I think reluctantly signs it and Julius Sand is frustrated with him about this.”

But despite spending his career benefiting from the spoil system, despite once being its patron saint, he begins to reform. In 1883, he signs the Pendleton Civil Service Reform Act. It's the first law that fundamentally changes how government works. Certain federal jobs are now awarded based on merit, not political loyalty. The set group of jobs in the federal government, they're going to be awarded on the basis of merit, not on the basis of patronage,

and they will not be turned over jobs that you won't have this revolving door of a new government came in, we're going to kick everybody out. It's really the establishment of the permanent federal bureaucracy. You know, like allies don't just like take over, and because you donate a bunch of money, you become the tax collector or whatever. Like it is making those jobs permanent and consistent across administrations so that the job of government is permanent and consistent. Yes, and so you have,

it's the very beginning of building up the institutional knowledge of how government functions. The thing that is in such danger right now, because of the way that the current administration is handling, employing in the federal government, this is the beginning of that. And Arthur becomes a real champion for this act. Now civil servants are protected. They can't be fired just because a new president takes office. It's a complete reversal of the system Arthur built his career on.

The guy they put on the ticket to appeal to champions of this oil system has dismantled the system himself. The reformers have won the battle. I'm wondering if you know how his old crony's with this oil system responded to his sort of about face when he signed the pedal to an act in champion that he had a break with counseling. I mean, counseling also he flamed out spectacularly at a certain point where he was mad about something and he resigned his seat in the Senate

and he's like, "You'll see. I'm so powerful. The legislature's going to send me right back

because at that point, the legislature elected senators, people didn't direct to lecturers, and the legislature was like, "Uh, thank you for giving us this opportunity to get rid of you." And so, so he flamed that a government amazingly. It's reported that counseling then asks Arthur to make some typical spoiled system appointments, but Arthur refuses. And when pressed on why he turned on his old mentor, Arthur says,

"For the vice presidency, I was indebted to Mr. Conclane. But for the presidency of the United States, my debt is to the Almighty." That was it. The friendship was over. He cut ties with his spoiled system buddies in New York just as sand advised him to. I like to think of Chester Arthur's life that he has a devil on his shoulder and an angel on his shoulder. And Roscoe Conclane is the devil on his shoulder and Jason Sandley come to angel on his shoulder. His actions as president

do bear out, not always the exact thing she wants him to do, but bears out the general direction

“she's trying to push him in. What do you think Chester Arthur listens to her?”

I do imagine that he has touched by anyone having faith in him. When what he is hearing from outside and inside is, this is bad. You're the worst person that we can have in this position. And that anyone believes he's capable of it. I think is a big thing. But also that Arthur at this point, he's a widow where his wife has been dead for a number of years. And the way that these letters are written, you can't help but read them as, there's this delightful young woman who believes in me

and is speaking to me in a way that is intelligent and that is meaningful. And when you're a man of a certain age who's interested in women, to get a letter from a woman you've never met, who is like, I believe in you. I think you can be great. Here's how to do it. It's written in a delightful way. I think it hit the bullseye of what he needed to hear at that moment. And in a voice that he was eager to listen to or that was attractive to listen to.

“And I think if you read between the lines, you can kind of feel the possibility of something romantic,”

maybe sand hopes for it, maybe Arthur wonders about it. And at some point, he actually goes and visits her. Can you talk about that? What happened there and what led to that? So we only know about this from a letter that Julia writes to Arthur, that's dated August 24th, 1882.

"how good you were to come and see me after all, and how badly you were repaid for it." And apparently from what we can pick up from the letter, he didn't announce. He didn't say he, I'm stopping by. He just showed up. And at first, she didn't know who was there. She goes, wondering who that gentle voice, a visible minister in the front parlor might be. And it turns out that it's, it's President Arthur. And I've always imagined that this was Arthur on the sperm oven.

No, I'll do it. I'll go see her. And both them having fantasies about what this moment would be like,

a finally meeting the other person. And again, Arthur has never written back to Julia.

Until he shows up, other than his public actions, there's no way of knowing that he's even read the letters. So, so he literally just shows up out of nowhere. I'm afraid you had a, what shall I call it, a very stiff visit, which was a pity. For my family, or not, given to stiffness. But you see, you took them quite by surprise. The way that I read what happened is that her family will not leave the room. She says in

letter, she says, "I thought if you did come, it would be to see me, but now it is quite evident

“that it was my mother's sister's brothers and nephews, and whom you were interested. And I think”

she's trying, she's trying to say, like, you didn't spend enough time talking to me. But the same time,

it's, this is not a period when an unmarried man and an unmarried woman can go to a

backroom and talk easily by themselves. They have to sit in the front parlor. He says to her at some point, apparently, that she's been a little unjust to him in her criticism in the letters. And that's about, as, as far as it goes. My brother said, I was like, the man in the Arabian night, who got the big genie out of the vase. And then was so frightened, he wanted to put it back again. But that is not true. I did not want

to put you back in your carriage and send you home again. There is part of me that believes that both sand and Arthur had an inclination that maybe there was a romance to be had here, which spoiler alert does not happen. You know, this is not that much of a magical fairy tale that the president gets letters from a penpal and then marries her. Even the romance novel version of this story that might happen. It seemed to me that you were not

well, that you were very weary and worn out. I felt so sorry. I wanted to do something for you, and I didn't know what. Or rather, I did know, but is anything more unnatural than to be quite natural? If I had said, do you lie down on the sofa? No one shall speak to you for an hour.

“And as soon as you're arrested, you must have some dinner. You would have thought I was”

demanded. Would you not? Julia's intuition was right. Chester was definitely not well. Within months, word would spread that he had a fatal kidney disease. He had maybe two years left, but Julia didn't know that. So Julia kept sending letters. Chester kept reading them, and he kept those letters for the rest of his life. And on his deathbed, when he instructed

his son to burn all evidence of his life's work, he spared those 23 letters. We do know that the letters still meant something to him. They must have because he doesn't throw them away. He doesn't have them burned. He keeps them. And you could say that his change in behavior when it came to things like civil service reform was shifting with political winds or something like that, but it doesn't seem like it. It seems like he really is really paying attention to those letters.

And when he can following the guidance, he's giving him. And he doesn't just hold on to the ones

from before that meeting. He holds on to all of them. And they must have meant something. We'll never

really know for sure exactly. And all we have to go from is, is there existence and that Arthur did change that he did change his president and became someone who stood for reform, rather than standing for the spoil system? Yeah. The letters are amazing to read and they feel very persuasive and they feel very motivating to me. But why do you think they hit Chester Arthur the way they do?

Why do you think they make him change? Arthur comes from, at least in his upbringing from a moral background. Arthur's father is this abolitionist minister, very anti-slavery, like gets in trouble

“for the devotion he has to the anti-slavery cause. And you have to assume that at least some of”

that is buried in Arthur kind of waiting to re-emerge. And I wonder if after years of living in a system where that moral center was not rewarded or cultivated or wanted or asked for, that her letters reconnect him with that part of himself. Where there's, oh no, no, there is, this is more the world I was raised in, you know, or this was the understanding of how a person is supposed to

about like you got to do the right thing and stand up for justice. That rediscovery of his moral

“center doesn't stay personal. It becomes systemic. Arthur helps create a government one on merit,”

not connections. And suddenly that government is capable of accomplishing things on a massive scale, the things that make a nation great. I mean, it really does set up a competent government that can meaningfully fight to world wars. It sets up why the 20th century is the American century in my opinion. I think you're exactly right. The things that America accomplish in the 20th

century are of such a massive scale, winning the second world world like all the new deal programs,

the social security of administration, being able to pass the civil rights act and the voting rights act and then enforce them. These are things that can only be handled by a government that has a baseline of competency and basic productivity landing on the moon. Like there's no way that's happening if you don't have a government that is set up to do all the little things

“that you need to do. Just the fact that when the Apollo astronauts lifted off into space,”

you knew that even though this was private companies hired to build this equipment that they had gone through a vetting process that ensured that it was not being done just through kickbacks.

And it wasn't just that a congressman's nephew suddenly opened an aerospace company. Like

you can't accomplish any of these things without having a basic faith that the government can do its job personally and that all starts. And have some consistency across administrations of like the Apollo program, for example, it starts under Kennedy and they land on the moon under Nixon. That Nixon could found the EPA and then for the next 50 years, no matter who is president, it could do its job of keeping water and air relatively clean. And there's a

constancy to the government. And it feels like America can last because it has people working for it who their highest loyalty is not for the Democratic Party, the Republican Party. It means that the the government belongs to the American people in a very real way that it doesn't when it belongs to whichever party happens to be in power at that time. Yeah. And you can't really overstate how much we as a nation and as individuals citizens have benefited from this this professional

impartial nonpartisan bureaucratic service. As much as it's easy to complain about it, it doesn't move fast enough. All like these people, you know, they care more about their little lifetimes than they do about helping this thing or doing this other thing. It's still so much better than the alternative, which is living in a chaos world. We complain about the bureaucracy. We vilify it as slow and inefficient. But a consistent and competent bureaucracy is what made this

country capable of the achievements of the 20th century. And we owe that at least in part to Julius and just a regular American who positioned herself as the voice of the president's conscience. She changed the course of American history. And we've lived off the fruits of her audaciousness, of her belief that a president could be better. And she is buried today in Brooklyn, and being with cemetery. And she's just in the family plot. She does not have a headstone of her own.

Years ago, I visited her grave. And I was just moved by seeing just that you could just walk by and not know that she was there. And that's the life she led. She was a woman who, if you didn't know her personally, just walk by her house. You didn't know she was there. And it's only because of

this kind of amazing story. This amazing connection through these letters. These letters are the

only thing of her that survives that we really know of today. And it's this amazing thing to me where it feels like Julius sand kind of saves Arthur in a way by helping to motivate him to become the better president that he could be so that when he leaves office, people go, "Actually, you know what? He was pretty good. He wasn't, I thought he was going to be terrible, but he wasn't that bad. You know, he was okay." And in a very real sense, Arthur saves Julia from being forgotten

by history, by holding onto those letters. And because those letters exist, we still know her name and we know that she existed in this world. There's so many things in the story that becomes symbols of things and she becomes a symbol to me for all those people who have one opportunity maybe to make their voice heard and they make their voice heard and it nudges history in a different direction. You know, she's one of these many, many people who in our country where we have this

understanding of like, well the ordinary American is the, is the backbone of our system in our

“country and everything that's important like you can reach out to the president of the United States”

and it'll make your name if not legendary, then at least a little bit immortal in a way that it

My very bad friend who does not deserve that I should care where he goes or what becomes of him.

“Are you coming to Newport? One day I hear that you are the next that you are not.”

At present, I'm staying at Mrs. Ives, a quiet little house in a quiet little street and we so seldom are near. Do come if you can. Yours sincerely. G-I-I-H-S.

Ellie Kaylin, it's always fun to talk with you. Thank you so much for doing this.

Thank you, Roman. This has been such a pleasure. Any time you want me to come and talk about

“Chesteria Arthur, I'll do it. I'll be there.”

Ellie Kaylin is an Emmy Peabody in Writers Guild award-winning comedian and writer. (music)

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