Trump’s Iran Reset, Vance’s Alien Bombshell, and the Darkness of Hollywood, with Billy Hallowell, PLUS Don Lemon for President?!

>> Welcome to Africa, everyone. It is the show for people who like their music a little later and a little lighter, but of course tonight, it's not going to start off light at all. The president is scheduled to give remarks. Build as a quote, update on the war in Iran right at nine p.m.

So we're on breaking news today tonight and our guest is Billy Hallowell. So before I go much further, I just want to say please do support our journalism by subscribing on YouTube, make sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Remember to like, comment, and leave us a review to boost us in the algorithm so that other people see the content too, that's all so helpful.

We are going to keep tonight's show a little bit loose, but I can promise you, we're going to get to Don Lemon. We have to get to Don Lemon.

He has an incredible new clip where he thinks that he could become a media mogul or maybe even

president of the United States, the sky is the limit here.

“That is the American dream and that's what we want for Don Lemon.”

But what we want for all of you is that you actually get to see the clip. The Artemis 2 launch happened just a couple of hours ago. It's a very, very busy breaking news evening. Another high level scientist is missing and Easter is around the corner. So it's great to have Billy Hallowell of CBN joining us tonight.

Now, the president is actually speaking as I'm speaking. And what we are going to do is we're paying some attention to what's coming out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue right now. I think the president was trying to undercut after party by announcing a 9 p.m. speech. I don't know.

I don't want to sound like Don Lemon, but that's my theory at the moment, we'll see. But we'll go ahead and let that cook for a few minutes. I'm expecting this to be 10, 20 minutes speech, something like that, but in the meantime, let's get some reaction to what we're hearing so far not a lot of breaking news out of the White House.

“The president seems to be making in his argument on his own terms about the war.”

Some people expected maybe it would be announcing a withdrawing NATO. He T's that it might have something to do with NATO. Some people expected it would be an announcement of boots on the ground. There were many people actually that expected if the president is going live to the nation in a televised address that seems like a good indication that put out potentially there are

going to be boots on the ground. But so far, that's not what we're seeing from the president. So let's go ahead. We're going to take a quick break and then we're going to bring in Billy Howell for some reaction to the president's speech from the White House this evening and much, much more

Billy's out with a fascinating new documentary. So we're going to cover some comments from Vice President J.D. Bans about what he thinks. Now this is a man with access to lots of classified information and what he thinks is coming out of some of these extra, terrestrial developments if we want to call them that, is there really a Christian revival happening?

“Really, is that actually happening as their nuance?”

Artemis too, we're going to get to all of it with Billy and then of course I'm going to get

to Tom Lemman the most important news of the day.

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I recommend all the time, it's right behind me, it's called Plank with Fire, he also has a new documentary out, it's called Investigating the Supernatural Angels and Demons. Billy, thanks for being here. Thanks for having me. Billy, you cover American politics, you cover Trump, so the president appears to still

be speaking at his address this evening, but it actually looks like it just wrapped.

was trying to reset the argument that he saw the trend lines going, I want to just see if maybe I don't know if I'm wrong on this, but what I got from that speech is that

he's a month into the war, basically to the day, and he's trying to reset the conversation

on his own turn so that his argument is injected into the bloodstream of the media conversation.

“Oh, absolutely, and I think what you have is a war reread country, we don't, we don't”

want to see war, the public is against it, and he's recognizing that and seeing that and seeing how complex this is, how fractured, you know, the Republican Party is and conservatives are right now in a lot of these issues, which is a big problem for him on this. Obviously, the country is a whole having those complex feelings, you know, it feels to me like this is sort of damage control, let's try to get people in, help them understand,

and that has nothing to do with whether or not this is the right move, right? There are right moves in politics, and then there are political moves. And so he's trying to navigate that this is, this is a person who is not a politician the first time who prided himself on not having any wars start under his tenure.

Now we're in a second term, not consecutive terms, and so a lot of time passed in between

there, where he developed into a politician. This is now a politician, a businessman turned politician who has to make very tough decisions, and I think this is a political move tonight. It's a good point, also, that you just made about divisions in his own party, which haven't translated into polling among Republican voters.

I mean, Republican voters who identify as maga are overwhelmingly behind him. It's obviously a problem for him that independence are flagging one quote that he had in the speech. He said, we are going to hit them extremely hard over the next two to three weeks. We're going to bring them back to the stone ages, where they belong, Billy.

“So I don't know if we can technically define that as an escalation, but I think he's probably”

sensitive to his own administrations messaging. I mean, even his biggest supporters know that the earliest days of the war, you kind of had Marco Rubio out there, you had Trump himself out there, Trump himself as he negotiates, says different things, the war is over, we're going to keep bombing since kind of all over the map.

So it sort of does make sense, then, that he wants to prepare the public for an additional short-term pain at the gas pump and to see more bombing in the Middle East since he said, we're going to hit him hard over the next couple of weeks. Yeah, you know, in something, you made such a good point there about Republicans, because you don't see it in the polling, but what you, in the overall polling, right?

But where you do see it is in the anecdotal conversation about Israel, right, and about these other issues, right? There's these splintering on other issues that haven't necessarily overtaken his ability to really connect with Republicans overall, but there's a danger there, because Israel has become such a big dividing point among some conservatives for a lot of different reasons

“and really independence, the entire country, right?”

This has become a dividing point. So I'm going to be very interested to see where that goes and if the intensity of that, if the perception is, and by the way, I actually don't personally think this is accurate, but if the perception is that Israel dragged America into this war and, you know, that's sort of a narrative that we're seeing among some people, this is something Trump was talking

about. You've seen that clip floating around, I mean, Trump's been talking about Iran for years and years and years. He was very vocal, back in, you know, 2012, 2013, when Saeed Abadini, an American pastor was taken captive in Iran, he spoke out back then.

I interviewed him about it at the time before he was president, so- Oh, did you really about it? I did. You did. Tell us about that.

What was this? It must have been 2014, actually. I'm trying to think back. Because, obviously, that whole scenario was Saeed Abadini was a big deal.

Obama was president, Trump was very critical of him at the time and this was around the

time where all the birth or stuff was going on, you know, all of that, but I was invited to go to Trump Tower and I went and I was supposed to sit in on a meeting between Saeed's wife at the time and Trump and they were, he was going to meet with her, he was obviously speaking out, saying Obama's not doing enough to release this American pastor and I got to Trump Tower on time, but she had already left and so it was one of the most interesting

experiences I ever had because I ended up going to his office and just observing him was very fascinating and how he worked, but one of the things that struck me and I've shared this story now because Saeed Abadini, since being released, has shared that Trump had given his wife a $10,000 check to help her family, but when I was there, that piece of information was shared by Trump, he said, you know, I gave her a check for $10,000 and he asked that

I not report on it at the time and I thought that was really interesting for a number of reasons. Think whatever you want about Trump, but my assumption would be if he wrote a $10,000 check to somebody, you would assume he'd be like, "Oh, this is great.

He did not want that being reported and I made a decision at the time not to report it because it didn't really have anything to do with the story and so I respected that and it wasn't until Saeed came out and said that I've been sort of talking about it, but it showed me a different side of him that was interesting and I bring that up because he seemed to have, again, people have different opinions on Trump, he seemed to have a real

“compassion and interest in Christians being mistreated in other parts of the world, right?”

And that translated over to this kind act that he did for Saeed's family that he didn't want being reported. Anyway, just an interesting little tidbit of information back from that time. No, that's actually really interesting because to the point you made about the divide particularly in conservative media, Trump is, I took from his speech tonight, somewhat

sensitive about claims that he flipped flopped and that he said no new wars, no new wars, while he was also being really hawkish on Iran and I think a lot of voters that are more independent, probably, you would call them the bro podcaster, which I don't like that label, but the bro whatever it is, like the bro caster demo, you know, people who are like, they're like Andrew Schultz or they're like a Tim Dylan or Sean Ryan, like in that type of vein,

people who took no new wars as I'm going to exhaust every possible avenue to a resolution

that doesn't evolve violence. And Trump mentioned that. He said basically I was trying to do

this peacefully through diplomacy, so it sounds really like he's actually somewhat sensitive to that criticism and is again trying to reset the conversation on his terms. Yeah, well, and listen, we all hate war. Nobody wants to see war happen, but I do think that we have to have an honest conversation about the fact that we have a country that just slaughtered tens of thousands, purportedly slaughtered tens of thousands of their own people, that you have a

country that not only are they slaughtering their own people, they have again and again and again, funded terrorism around the globe, they have pledged to wipe Israel off the map, and they've taken steps to try and do that. I mean October 7th, you know, obviously with TIC Iran there as well. And we've seen this again and again and again. And so I do think there's a real conversation that has to be had. And people will come to different opinions on what they think should happen here.

But the idea that this was just some country doing its own thing, we should just let them live and do their, well, that's not really what was happening. They were sewing discord and chaos in part of that has to do with their ideology and what they're trying to do. And I mean, there's so many complex elements to this. It does seem like again and again, they have tried to avoid this, but how long are you going to talk about the same country and the same issues and watch her

horrific events unfold before somebody does something to try and stop that. Now, I don't want to oversimplify, but I do think that this is something, I can't imagine that the Trump that we saw

first term, right, that really didn't want new wars would flippantly enter into wars for no reason,

right? That doesn't, that doesn't feel like it tracks regardless of what people think about him. Because for all the people who said he was crazy and enhinged and he's, you know, he was very restrained on these issues. So I'm, I'm trying to be very fair as I watch this. Now, the fear of course is that you end up in a situation like, you know, Iraq or Afghanistan, we're at the end of the day. It's worse than it was sometimes before we went in. But I do think this is a little bit of a

different situation for a variety of reasons. And Trump seems to be really intent on making that point. Yeah, and just as we wrap up this conversation, that's, my position is not that Israel

“dragged us into the war. I mean, I think if we didn't have a Lakud hawkish leader in Benjamin”

Netanyahu as an ally right now, the United States would probably, who was supportive of the U.S. going to war, we would probably want to be, there are people in our government that would want to go to war anyway. They have agency. Trump has agency and he certainly makes his own decisions, Billy. We know that, all right, well, thanks so much for being nimble on the breaking news. We do want to talk about some big developments. And they go perfectly with your documentary, which folks

can go ahead, stream right now. We have a trailer that I want to roll of the documentary. And

I want to get you Billy to talk to us a little bit about where people can find it. First of all,

though, just a preview of what's to come. The Artemis 2 launch happened just a couple of hours ago. And that brings with a broader conversation of scientific development, space exploration, and the like, so let's go ahead first. Take a look at the trailer for investigating the supernatural

“Trump billy. Is there a spiritual war going on around us? Are angels and demons real?”

That's investigate. In all ancient cultures, people believe in a spiritual wrong.

not only believed in evil spirits, but believed in possessions. And every major religion believes in angels. For most of the world, the question isn't, is there a spiritual world? The question is which spirit is the most powerful? But to say you believe in angels, demons is oftentimes to expose you to ridicule. Like, you sound like somebody from the Middle Ages. Many scientists just write it all off saying, "This is just people's imagination, they're hallucinating, they're

having dreams, none of this is real." All right. So you can go stream that on CBN. It is super, super interesting. But as if to prove a point that one of your guests, one of the people you interviewed in that trailer, Billy, said, "You expose yourself to ridicule." Well, vice president, JD Vance did an interview with Benny Johnson just a few days ago where he waited on this question and invoked the D-word demons. Let's go ahead and take a listen to

“what vice president Vance said. I don't think they're aliens. I think they're demons anyway,”

but that's a longer discussion. Well, I can't let you go without that follow-up. So you think they're demons? Well, look, I think that celestial beings who fly around, who do weird things to people, I think that the desire to describe everything, celestial everything is otherworldly to describe it as aliens. I mean, every great world religion, including Christianity, the one that I believe has understood that there are weird things out there, and there are things

that are very difficult to explain. And I naturally go, when I hear about extra natural phenomenon, that's where I go to, is the Christian understanding that, you know, there's a lot of good out there, but there's also some evil out there, and I think that one of the devil's great tricks

is to convince people we never existed. Billy, we had a conversation roughly on this topic a

couple of weeks ago on the show, and I got a couple emails saying, like, people being like, I thought you were a serious person, and then you had this discussion, but I just would like to invoke Roger and other people have made this point as well, that in any other time, if you heard some of these stories about experiences with crafts and the like, people would have said, "Oh, that's a demon." Tell us what you found, as you've set out, like Indiana Jones, as you do

in these investigating the supernatural episodes, documentaries. What did you find?

“Yeah, and by the way, if you want to stream it at CBN.com/supernatural, you can watch right now.”

I will tell you, I am very skeptical as a person. I'm a Christian, I've been a Christian my whole life,

I've always believed in these things in my mind, but I also struggle, often when somebody says

they've had these experiences, my first thought is, okay, well, you have to prove that to me, because I'm not going to just believe that you've had some sort of crazy demonic experience. When it comes to the alien topic, I think this is really interesting, because if you would said to either of us probably five years ago that we're going to be sitting here talking about aliens and that he's sitting vice president, would have said that he believes that aliens are demons,

we would have laughed probably, and so that's not going to happen. But what is happening right now, is there's a massive conversation, and we'll start with the alien topic. This disclosure push that's been coming. When you make a documentary or a film, you're working a year or two ahead of time, and so when we were planning this, we had to say, okay, we're doing a film on angels and demons, but we do have to address aliens to a degree and we do in the film because culture is going to be

talking about this. I had no idea, I mean, this film just came out that we would be releasing it well, JD events. I mean, I was texting Benny earlier about this, and I was saying, wow,

“really interesting conversation, you know, with JD on this, but here's the thing,”

Hugh Ross, Dr. Hugh Ross, who we have in the film, you saw him a little bit in the trailer, he has looked at so many cases, probably more than anybody of these UFOs, UAPs, they're referred to now. These claims of alien abductions, and it's really interesting because he will say he's an astrophysicist. He will say that the vast majority of them are explainable by natural phenomena, but there's this residual percentage that are not explainable, and what he has found in this,

and we get into this in the film, it is so interesting. If you have a physical aircraft going through

the sky, right, you would have a sonic boom. A sonic boom never exists when it comes to these UFO

sightings. It never exists, it has never heard, it has never observed. That is bizarre, it defies science. Now, there's also never a wreckage, right? There's always a crash, but never a wreckage. And so that's interesting as well. Now, of course, that goes to say, if you believe these things are actually happening, but there is a disturbance to vegetation. There's some strange things that are often left behind. Now, one of the other things I mentioned, and then I'll get into his theory on this,

and it tracks with what JD Vance is saying, actually, the people who claim, and again, it seems laughable, but that they have had experiences with aliens, that they've had a closing counter of

similar to what people who claim to have had an experience with a demon. It's the same exact thing.

“They're never positive experiences. They're very similar hallmarks of what happens to those people.”

They're disturbed mentally, sometimes afterward. Now, some would argue, they were disturbed beforehand, and they're conjuring the whole thing up. You can make that argument, but there seems to be something happening here, and people like Hugh Ross are observing it. And by the way, secular culture is observing it, because guess what, everybody is talking about this, and the majority of the country now believes in UFOs and aliens. So, we have to have

a conversation of what are people actually encountering or seeing? And so what Hugh would say is that this is actually a spiritual manifestation. It's demonic. It is not a physical one. So, he does not believe that he's an astrophysicist, by the way, just to re-emphasize. He's an astrophysicist. He is. And I just actually caught up with him again this week on CBN, and we were talking about this, and he said he really thought that science would move away from the alien theory. He said,

“I thought that scientists, as they discovered more, would move away from it, but what's happening”

is science is moving closer to it. There are scientists who are saying, "No, we believe that aliens exist. We believe there could be life on other planets." Again, that is not his position. His position is, there's no evidence for that. The evidence points to something spiritual interdimensional happening. And again, this sounds like crazy science fiction, but we have to have an answer for it. And it's an interesting conversation at the very least.

Well, yeah. And actually, just hours ago, the Artemis II launch went off successfully down in Florida. They're on a 10-day trip circling the moon. The Trump administration is really excited about this because they see it as a kind of golden age marker that you harkens back to mid-century American greatness and is moving us in the right direction compared to the rest of the world that we're able to make some massive, massive steps towards space

exploration. Obviously, the president is now close once again with Elon Musk. He is surrounded by a

lot of powerful people in the world of tech who are accelerationists and have some sort of wacky

science fiction style ideas that are getting increasingly less wacky by the day. We should mention when it comes to how we can colonize the moon to talk about Elon for just one moment. But it struck me that one of the men aboard Artemis II, Victor Glover, was quoted saying, "We need Jesus, whether on earth or circling the moon." And Billy, I listened to a premiere, unbelievable episode, like, gosh, I wish I remembered which one it was, but it was a survey of all of the people who are

at the tipi tipi top of their field in these highly advanced scientific niches, astrophysics, a great example of that. Here's an astronaut somebody who is one of the smartest people in the world. One of likely the most intelligent people to ever have lived. And here he is invoking his faith. I have to imagine that's an experience you've had as you've set out to investigate the phenomenon. Yeah, you know, and I love that you're asking that because one of the things we've gotten a lot of

questions on this series investigating the supernatural is a three part film series that we started

in 2023, the first film that you have me on to talk about last year. It was called, it was called

miracles. This one's investigating the supernatural angels and demons and then next year we'll do heaven and hell. We're not just taking all these stories and believing them at face value. We're bringing in people like Hugh Ross. We have, you know, and this was really interesting, psychologists, psychotherapists, people who, when you're dealing with the angels and demons topic, have been brought in to do a fair assessment of people to see, is this person mentally ill,

or are they dealing with something that can't be explained? And we went to great lengths because I'm skeptical of this. And so I was the one traveling around Jared Anderson, our director, and our writer. He also super diligent. I mean, we spent a lot of time looking at these stories and then finding experts to speak into them. And what you will find, I mean, Dr. Richard Gallagher, for instance, he is a psychiatrist who teaches at Columbia University. He's Ivy League educated.

He is one of the smartest guys around. He was brought in by the Catholic Church about 30 years ago

to basically be that person who says, "Hey, are you experiencing mental health issues,

or is there something else going on?" He was a skeptic who did not believe. And he told the Catholic Church, "I'm the wrong person to do this when they came to him." And they actually said, "No, you're the right person to do this because we want somebody who's skeptical. And when he started investigating these cases of possession or spiritual affliction, he very quickly became a believer because he was finding things that were inexplicable. You could not explain them by

“natural phenomena." So I think what you're seeing when you have an astronaut like that who is stepping”

forward and saying, "We need Jesus and you're seeing all these scientists. They're seeing the

this had to have originated. All this order couldn't have come from disorder or chaos. It had to come from somewhere at the very least. That's the baseline." And so we're in this really interesting

“era right now where I think people are looking for answers to life questions and a lot of these”

supernatural topics that seemed so outlandish and crazy when you have evidence that these things have happened and you can pull that together. It becomes almost this apologetic tool that brings people into faith because of that. Yeah I feel like that's happening all around us and before we take a break I actually wanted to bring up this article in the Atlantic that published just today ahead of Easter, Holy Week, great timing for the article to pop that's trying to figure out what's

happening where you see this anecdotal evidence of revival, whether it's at Asbury or Latin mass perishes in New York City, it's not showing up in the polling, but there's some nuance in it. So in the Atlantic the article says over roughly the last two decades, Pew has conducted its religious landscape study a large scale survey about religious beliefs and practices in the U.S. In 2007, 78% of U.S. adults identified as Christians by 2023-62% did

a drop-driven largely by younger generations, 44% of respondents born in the 1990s and mix of millennials and gen Zers identified as religiously unaffiliated compared with 29% of respondents from all generations, but the decline began to slow around 2019. The percentage of adults who identified as Christian stabilized a bit above 60% the nuns have held study at around 30% and Gallup found something similar political scientists, Ryan Burge, even found to quote that

the nuns had decreased slightly. Finally just want to add the Atlantic goes on to say to treat the stabilization as a revival overlooks that younger Americans are the least religious age group by many metrics. Members of Gen Z are less likely than people in other generations to profess belief in God without doubts. Gen Zers are also the least likely to attend religious

services regularly in the most likely to never attend them. Many weren't brought up religious

only 28% of adults born in the 2000s to highly religious families remain highly religious and despite the claim that Gen Z men are leading a resurgence in traditional Christianity, they are in fact simply leaving the church at a slower rate than women are. But the article interviews people like Bailey Burke, who is a coordinator for the St. Mary student parish up and in Arbor and said that there is greater interest in devotional life among the students she

works with, Billy, I know that you've seen a lot of this and you've read about this and the addition to doing reporting on it yourself, the Atlantic article had an interesting quote about how students may not be this was from a Catholic. They might not be Catholic, but they are turning to the priests for answers. They're asking the priests to tell them more about Christianity and that gets to exactly what you're just saying. There's a curiosity that does seem peaked post-COVID.

“Yeah and you know I think this is interesting too because the numbers and these are important”

stats to look at right when it comes to younger generations are always less likely to believe

and go to church and all that. The issue that we've had in recent years has been that millennials in Gen Z were even more less likely but there has been a shift and you know one of the things we have to be careful with anecdotals but after Charlie Kirk's assassination the weekend after I was talking to Mike Signorelli, a pastor in New York City and he was telling me he had 500 people come to faith that Sunday at his church that never happens. There are so many anecdotals

that it creates a pattern that is that is undeniable that there is a shift and here's what I actually think is happening. You have a situation where people have been lied to for so long young people and it started with millennials and now it's gotten even worse for Gen Z lied to told that moral relativism is the answer that they can believe and do whatever they want that that will lead to a path of wonderful life and they'll be happy and they've realized that's a total lie.

They're the first generation to really grow up with that and smart phones and all of that

and now they're really searching and they're looking and they're open and so we can unpack that

“more but there's there's a lot going on and I think there are actually better numbers to look at”

than oh I call myself a Christian or not. Yeah that's super super interesting Billy and I think very very helpful before we go to break one more thing I wanted to get your take on so the daily mail had a new article again this was like just within the last 24 hours the headline here is mystery of scientists dead or missing rises to eight as two more men tied to America's most coveted secrets joined the list. Now one of these is a suspicious death that the Daily Mail

had happened I believe it was it was last year one is it's a disappearance from 2024 and a death from 2025 or I have it the other way around either way they're not happening literally right now but one both sort of suspicious and when you start putting all eight of these cases together then the castle in the case and the only castle in case the one that's gotten the most attention these are people who have worked on some of the highest levels of the

about what our government knows and is working on or is trying to find out about extraterrestrial activities is there anything to this Billy is it just fodder is it too soon to say what's going on? You know it's it's so interesting because I am one of those people who's like oh there are no conspiracies or traditionally I've been that person there are no conspiracies but the last seven

“years have made me much more likely to say I don't know and I think though what's important”

to understand about this what we're talking about here is that these things could very well be disconnected not connected at all but it does feel like you have to consider foreign influence foreign actors who want to find out information about what America is doing our technology all of our emerging technology these are people who outside of just the you know UFO and extraterrestrial life issue these are people who know about our technology and so there's a real you know thirst

I would assume among our enemies to get to those people to find out that information when people are

disappearing you know in eyebrow or mysteriously dying and eyebrow should always raise and when you

have up to eight people I believe it is here who are either missing or who have died and we don't have a real explanation what's going on I think at the very least we should be looking at that to

“understand is there a pattern in what is happening here and look I think sometimes silence is”

unhelpful when there's silence and nobody's speaking out everyone's wondering well what are they hiding and they may very well be hiding nothing but it is at the very least it's a head scratcher and it's a little strange and again ten years ago I would have been like oh there's nothing to see here now I'm kind of like I just I don't know I mean I don't know and these are people who have a lot of important information so if I'm if I'm in that camp of other

people like them who fortunately haven't had the same issues they've had I'd be concerned and worried probably if I were if I were one of those people at this point yeah well Billy I'm going to take

a quick break and want to come back and have more questions for you it just one moment first this

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angels and demons you can stream it at cvn it's a really great piece of journalism for holy week in particular as folks may be considering some of these foundational existential questions more sharply than normal Billy I wanted to get your reaction because this is about angels and demons and there's been so much conversation the last few months actually really the last like five plus years about whether America at its upper echelons is being influenced by demonic forces

“I think you know as Christians we probably have that just about every society is being influenced”

by demonic forces especially people who are rich and powerful because we know those two conditions

can be creptonite for people who are following Jesus and it's human nature in general I saw this interview today with Jen Shaw who you probably don't know who she is Billy but she's a real housewife of Salt Lake City I know who she is I know who she is believe it or not I do from Utah from Utah listen I have my wife watches all these things so I know I know she's seeing these things God bless your wife well Jen Shaw did a huge half-hour interview with people magazine

she's just been released from prison and is trying to take accountability she was basically

people in scams and she was in prison she was actually in prison with Galane Maxwell another

“hard-co-fetched prisoner interesting and in her interview with people magazine she dished a little”

bit and said something slightly interesting recently Maxwell what's that you have any interactions with

okay once again not working basically she's asked Billy if she had any interactions with

Galane Maxwell and Jen Shaw said she made a clear that she had no remorse well she was watching for example victims on the screen she was dismissive of them this is what Jen Shaw goes on to say in this this conversation with people magazine Candice Cameron Buray had a very interesting it this is March 10th did a very interesting little I don't know if it's okay to call it a tangent but she talked about an experience she had in Hollywood that led to

I know the story yeah it's basically it's it's what it was a party that she was going to the different invited her she and her husband to and it was sort of like an SNM it was it was basically a sex party I mean that's it that was when she got there she was horrified by what she saw yeah and we have the clip let's let's go and roll it yeah I went to a party once with Val because we were married and it ended up being this underground party that was in SNM like sex thing

that was so dark and demonic and we walked in and my eyeballs were popping out of my head because

I saw stuff I never seen before in my life and I'm looking at Val going like how are we here what

it's happening and the one person that invited us but we made a hard U-turn and walked right out of there and it just was like so slimy and weird and I was like we're going to pause before we ever say yes to going out with that friend again we just had no idea what we were walking into and it was so disgusting and gross but you know what's interesting to me about that building you may know more because I think you probably know Candace but it's it's so casual I mean the

stories are so casual you know someone just invites someone else because they're another Hollywood figure and they're kind of used to this type of activity one of the things that jumps out from

the Epstein files is how many people are at this man's house and continue to go back to his house

“and I think nobody even pauses to remember or few people do what the pictures of his Manhattan”

townhouse where they were gathering show the same thing with little Saint James I mean they are riddled with deeply bizarre art this is something that was revealed in Washington DC with the Heather and Tony Podesta art collection now that took some really unfortunate mutations in conspiracy land but really disturbing disgusting repulsive art that people were mingling at just at normal like happy hour events book parties in Washington DC that's what jumps out to me from Epstein files and

that beer a story yeah and Candace is a good is a good friend actually and I will tell you that talk about reading the room wrong you know she's not a person you would ever invite you something like that be to who's going to those things they but like you know I love her she's great but you know I think um yeah to to your point this darkness that sort of lurks in these places of power right in Hollywood media you know these sort of upper echel echelons of power politicians and

and this is what breeds conspiracy theories right but then you start to see these things and you're like wow these things are really going on and one thing for me that I have tried to do the last five years is pull myself back and really look I've been a Christian my whole life right I've read a fusion six a thousand times and if you're not a Christian you're watching this and you're like what is a fusion six it's where the apostle Paul talks about this dynamic of human existence in which we are

“in a spiritual battle and it's actually interesting because we have become I think in America”

especially the last decade consumed with fighting with each other it's Democrats versus Republicans it's me versus you it's we hate those people those people hate us we're going to cancel everybody and yet what Ephesian six says is that we're actually in a spiritual battle it's not a battle between flesh and blood but we are distracted and convinced that it is and what's actually happening behind the scenes and this will sound strange to somebody who doesn't have spiritual lenses right

they're not looking at the world that way but what's happening behind the scenes is this battle between good and evil that is actually pouring over into our world and a lot of the events this is why you turn on your TV or you watch this show and you see what Emily's talking about and you might say wow that is so evil what happened in the news today if you're not a Christian or you're not a person of faith you have to ask yourself what does it mean to be evil what does that come from

strata but what's happening in our own lives even and that is something that understanding that

better through doing these films is actually helped me understand the world better and deal even with other people with whom I have profoundly different ideals and big differences how do I treat those people how do I deal with them in understanding that dynamic before you run Billy I want to play this Joe Rogan clip just since we're on this topic and you have a documentary

“out literally about angels and demons I think there are some secular people to the point you just”

made and not we've been talking about this entire conversation college students asking priests more about the faith there's this curiosity about what explains why some people have been sucked into just utter depravity and so casually and here's Joe Rogan on a recent episode of the Joe Rogan experience with Robert Malone who again is another brilliant person with impeccable credentials if you're trying to look at people's credentials Robert Malone is a very very

very intelligent credentialed person talking about Epstein when you see in the email like clear evidence that they're talking about children in pretty obscene way horrifying ways it's my position on his completely shifts and I thought there's probably some really sick people that have an appetite for that but I hadn't seen any real evidence for it until these files and not like oh this is demonic this is clearly demonic the experiences that we've encountered

over the last half a dozen years it's hard to come up with a language to express what we're observing in the world other than then the language of theology well demonic by action so whether or not demons exist if they did exist that is how they would behave they would pray on children and torture children well that is such an interesting common billy the last thing that Rogan said there and I think he he has been going to church which is great but I think it's probably

also fair to describe him as like a skeptic or somebody who's a secret curious but I'm a little less clear on that some of this is about 100% like the journalist to me can't say that it's 100%

always about children or that 100% of it is about children so I'm a little less clear on that but

there's some I mean just taking some of the art that Jeffrey Epstein having all these copies of La Lida and then doing what he's doing I mean it's just obviously some of it is targeted and really obscene disgusting ways toward what we would probably describe as underage people so to that last point he made Billy is that how it even would act you know one of the things that struck me both with playing with fire the book that you were talking about when I first started

looking at evil you know almost a decade ago now and then in this documentary was that you know the hallmarks of Satan right what what is the devil do what is his goal and what would demons be what would the goal of the demons be and the Bible is really clear Satan comes to kill steel destroy and confuse and when you look at our culture a lot of those attributes we see in the culture and the issues that we address in even the life issue and you go down the line you see

those hallmarks and so absolutely that is what you would see and you also can look at the biblical

“narratives you know for even for skeptics if you want to understand the Christian mindset”

when people are possessed how they're behaving and acting in scripture is beyond anything that you can imagine it's their horrific stories and actually in investigating the supernatural angels and demons we present modern day stories that reflect that and they have compelling evidence but the point is yes I think that what he said there at the end Malone about you know that the language of theology is really the only way to explain what we're watching happen right now I actually just

you know as we round out here I think this is important to note never I'm 42 years old never before

in my lifetime have I seen that a fusion sixth dynamic where you have glimmers of revival unfolding at the same time as some of the most horrific things you're watching this battle between good and evil unfold in the news in our politics globally in our own lives even at a at a level that we have not experienced before and that dynamic should not be lost on us I don't know what it means I don't know where we are in the timeline of things but what I do know is that that language of

theology that was such a beautiful way to put to put this because in order to understand what is happening I don't think we can have a proper understanding of any of the events that are happening around us without seeing it through that Ephesian six lens and that's just where I've arrived

“at this and that is not that is not me saying oh I'm a Christian and that's why that is where”

the evidence has led me as I've been exploring these things and looking at them little spooky fun fact Billy I've been reading my Bible chronologically I'm on a fusion six right now oh wow

flesh and blood but against the rulers against the authorities against the powers of this dark

world and against the spiritual forces of evil and the heavenly realms are put on the full armor of God Billy where can people watch investigating the supernatural angels and demons if their appetite has been what what if you can go by this yeah CBN dot com forward slash supernatural

“and when you're done with that if you want to go back and look at our miracles film it's CBN dot”

com slash miracles you can watch both of them but yeah check it out and I want to hear from people I want you to push back if you don't agree I want to hear your stories if you have them I'm reach out to us we want to hear it all yeah worth going back and watch the miracles once too if you haven't great stuff on NDE so Billy how well absolutely push it to have you thank you so much

oh all right when we come back don lemon obviously why not first though a fresh start is possible

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down lemon who in a conversation recently with Alex Wagner said some of the funny shit he has ever said and that is a very high bar for don lemon to clear at this stage of his life without further ado I say let's just roll it let's hear what don lemon thinks his future could hold maybe president maybe the head of a major media company either way it's bright because his capacity for greatness knows no bounds less you think otherwise here's done I know people

“going to think I'm crazy this is going to be the headline and people are going to laugh about it I think”

I could be president of the United States I could definitely run this country better than then Donald Trump and how on roll cut but yeah you would be market improvement as an independent though there would be a hard time for you to run for it because the way the system is set up I'd have to choose aside and so you know I probably would probably would have to become a Democrat and I have to point that point now no and I know people are going to say don lemon it's a little crazy but yeah let's look

why can I think about running for office why can I think about being president of the United States when did anybody think Barack Obama as he says his guy with a funny name is from a mixed background did anybody ever think that he would become president if you know what else I think that I could run better than a new organization because I was there if I'd been in the game for so long and I'm not interested in being you know the anchor out front I could come in and fix the bulk of

their problems and lickety split in no time flat Alex Wagner was literally like what the his head before he was live streaming the storming of a church his head was already the size of Saturn what has happened since where he was the subject of news over and over again because the big story for like a month was metro surge operation metro surge and Minneapolis given the chaos that was unfolding up there don lemon became like the face of the resistance to operation

metro surge for weeks and that brought him tons of subscribers and listen I hope you are all okay you're if you're subscribed to Don Lemon if you subscribed after what he did in many apolis because you found him to be someone who is at the cutting edge had his finger on the pulse of American journalism and the anti-Trump resistance maybe you're getting exactly what you're looking for but if you're really looking for hard hitting investigative reporting there are other

always heard him talking about like the lemon heads I probably listen to more Don Lemon the most

“people but you would always hear him talking about the lemon heads which is like the five people”

who are most hardcore subscribers who like buy his merch maybe I don't even know if they buy his merch and chat with him every single day on his streams and they're like he was already doing that before but then he became a resistance hero and people subscribed to as part of the anti-Trump resistance and what has happened to an already mega maniacal Don Lemon is I can't be sad about it because it's so damn funny first of all you can hate Donald Trump bitterly deeply you can have a

denierle level hatred of Donald Trump you still have to say Don Lemon's resume includes working as a journalist for years Donald Trump's involved business like actually like big business deals do I I'm not saying anything about the the nature or the quality of those business deals I'm saying the man was globe-trotting making you know high-worth deals high-pressure deals and again not saying whether they were great deals bad deals we're not even going to get into that

The idea that Don Lemon who has basically for the last like 10 years of his life just been doing pure commentary I can say that because I almost do purely commentary there's no part of me that would ever want the reins of the United States of America of the presidency the United

“States of America nor would I think I would be qualified to do it nor would I ever threaten to inflict”

that on all of you good people but Don Lemon not only thinks he would be better than Donald Trump he just thinks he would be a good president he also thinks that he would be great at turning a major

media company around that's fascinating to me because we've been critical obviously though

I'm nothing but impressed with the way the free press has built it as a as a business with the way that the Barrywise free press CBS news merger has gone we've been critical on that of the show since basically day one Don Lemon has a try they have mean to be here an utterly mediocre YouTube channel that only has numbers right now because he found himself at the middle in the middle of a firestorm because he decided to fly up

to Minneapolis I'll give him that it was smart but it was the big story in the news for a week so not that smart put on his parka get a little influence or microphone suck up to some libs who were about to storm a church let them bring him in on the plan bring him into the church and has ever since become a resistance hero and a maga foe that's all it took for Don Lemon there was no grand strategy about it and yet

he's like two months into this like new success on YouTube his channel was not successful before

“that his independent media career I think listen I don't know what his internal numbers were like”

I think it would be crazy to describe it as successful beforehand if you're describing success by influence there was minimal influence on the discourse overall but my other favorite part of that clip with Alex Wagner is he was like I would probably after registers a democrat if he put a gun to my head I guess I would after registers a democrat but for Don it would really be between like democrat and progressive like his problem with

democrats is probably that they weren't angry enough about ice which is funny because he was also doing the pull your pants up commentary circa like 2014 around the trade on Martin Michael Brown era of the sort of racial discourse in America the guy doesn't believe in anything but himself

and that's never been more obvious but if he thinks that he's the he right now because he's had

two months of a surge on his channel that he could be a great president and turn around a media network a media company I hope we get to see it frankly I hope we get to see it I hope somebody says you know what this man is on to something don't lemon has maybe he has like a

but you know he's he's got he's he's that 1.27 million subscribers he's he's done your

“blowing me out of the water and big ups to you I think you should absolutely take the reigns”

of a major media company and we'll see what happens I look forward to buying a subscription

and I look forward to covering your run for president of course all right I'm gonna stop it there

“and I could get you guys I covered them and so much I can't help but Emily it's up in the”

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